Good points, if a little exaggerated. I want to see the flipper lag fixed for sure. I am not a fan of the ball trails or the scoring showing up on the playfield, even when playing on steam, which I have seen glitches on my older gaming pc with a gtx 970, i7 7700k. I have yet to try the steam versions on my newer gaming pc with 12900k and 3080Ti yet, but that is to be my OTG. I am like you on the better option too, I really looked into it and found a really nice one direct for less than half what the resellers are charging but I do not have the room and I am happy with the ALP infrastructure so I went with Addams Family with SSF Kit factory install and the discounts they offered at preorder, along with tables being 50 percent off, and ssf kit 50 percent I took the gamble, time will tell...
Lol, I may have exaggerated a little but it was an issue when the original was launched and it was really frustrating. I haven't nailed down what I'm exactly buying real/virtual but I'm not in a hurry. When the deal comes I'll jump on it. Appreciate your opinion Carl
I was impacted by this and it's left a sour taste in my mouth about dealing with AtGames in the future. I've been going back and forth with them in a support case and they've been unwilling to do what I consider would be the right thing. Shame on me for pre-ordering early on a product with a non-refundable deposit. You'd think I'd know better. As a business owner myself, it's not the way I would treat my customers and feel like they made calculated decisions to lock people into deposits early, before announcing the rest of the lineup. The performance of the marquee title, Addams Family, is another issue. I'm not even playing it on my cabinet, because it's just not fun at the moment. The lag compared to the Magic Pixel cabinets is just awful.
I'm really enjoying the stock tables, lots more than I thought I would. The objectives and rewards making spending some time in each game enjoyable. Looking forward to the ore ordered table. Nice video
I have 2 atgames hd pinballs, scored them for 240$ a piece through sams club. Had them for over a year, love them, play them daily although theyre not perfect, they definitely are worth more than what i got them for. Having said that, i pre-ordered day 1 for 4k. I wanted to support the company and wanted the bigger backbox for otg which is mainly what i play. After being in the 4k pinball group, ive seen probably 30-40 damaged units out of like 150 which is a pretty high number. The way atgames rolled this whole thing out was all done wrong, including telling everyone they get invoices on the 19th only to give them out to 10% of the people. Ordered day 1 myself and they still havent event sent an update on shipping yet and its now fully paid for. Super nervous to recieve this. Even if its comes in mint condition, which i hope it does, although i support the company and like their products, i definatly wouldnt ever pre-order anything from them again. Its been a big mess to watch. Best to wait to just buy these machines once they hit stores. Actually wish i would have never pre-ordered but didnt wanna cancel and lose the 200$. Always have the option to sell it for at least the 1100$ back lol
I think the lesson here which I failed to mention is never pre-order... especially from Atgames or Arcade1up LOL. Hopefully everything goes well, sincerely 🙏
Everything seems to be rushed releases. Im pretty good about waiting for bug fixes and lower prices. As it currently sits im still satisfied with my ALP. Once i see more Zen tables available and past the public testing phase I'll be more interested. Besides i really want Twilight Zone theme. It might not be a theme but it might. Who the hell knows. Another thing I'd feel safer buying from, say, a Walmart with insurance just in case Atgames drops the ball on accountability.
Rushed, absolutely. Twilight Zone will be coming, you can count on it. Also, I dont see the ALP 4k ever at a retail store but I could be wrong. I get what you're saying though
Interesting, never heard anyone talk about the deposit difference. The fact they are trickling out skins is not good from a customer standpoint. "Hey, we are going to have 15 skins, but not tell you what or when they will be released. Now please preorder this one." I have the HD and gutted it. Screen quality was not good. While the 4k is improved, i just dont see it being worth double the price (normal cost) than the original. 60h screen is acceptable, but they really should have gone with a higher one, either at 1080p or 2k. But they had to use the 4k buzz to get sales.
Yeah, that pre-order deposit was pretty icky business tactic. I think this machine looks pretty sharp but I think it's way overpriced for the playfield size and that Atgames ui is a horrible experience
On the atgames legends pinball, the 1st one, the lights on monitor for Gladiators do not light up. I contacted them several times, they told me, they don’t know and to wait for an update. Every update it does not fix it. It makes it unplayable, so i got 21 table. This is my last purchase from them.
AtGames has never been a well run company. I will say that they’ve been moving in the right direction. Never had update issues with my HD ALP, but only owned since late 2022. Have had occasional login issues though.
Wanted to get the Attack from Mars, but figured issues like this would happen. Skipping it for now. For this price, the machine should work great immediately.
@@show-me-retrobut can you get a nice 120hz cab for under 5k. I built my own and it looked terrible lol so I decided on this one as it didn’t break the bank. If you know of a nice starter kit around the same price I’d love to hear about it so I can cancel my order ;-). Thx for the honest review
The is my first pinball machine of any kind definitely entry level however I think if they can get the Adam’s family to work with no Lag then its a win, very disappointed in there being lag issues for their main table that is embarrassing truly… I will look into OTG since I have a spare gaming laptop but this shouldn’t be the case. They need to fix the flipper lag asap and the loud solenoids also!
I'm sure you will enjoy it. Once I finally got the original dialed in it was somewhat enjoyable but just left me wanting more. This is a huge improvement in the looks department... now they just need to get the bugs worked out. But that should have been done prior to release
@@show-me-retro yeah, new playfied, dmd, bitpixel hv, ssf, speakers and full dof lighting kit. It's a great platform for modding and since the warranty is non-existent you might as well.
Why A1Up went 4K instead of a doable and still great looking 1440p for the chipset they are using is only for their marketing people to answer. 1440p though on a 4K looks worse compared to 1080p.
Problem is if you want PREMIUM, you’re looking at $6k plus unless you are capable and spend great effort to build your own. The HD ALP for around $600-800 was very fairly price even considering issues. The 4K is very fairly priced at around $1500 for what you are getting. Just need some lag improvement and a couple of other hiccups to work though. I’m not so concerned like “the few” that are going nuts.
If you buy this over priced joke, be prepared to be their Beta tester. This cab not ready just rushed out. AtGames is turning into Arcade 1Up. You got to be a total Mo to buy this at full retail. So many damaged cabs tells me cab is under packaged. Another hot mess no thanks.
I can't figure out why you're complaining so much for. This is normal in the tech world we live in today. Samsung just dropped new s24s and they are buggy imagine that. Same thing with iPhone's they all come with bugs because tech companies rush to get them out and they fix them with updates. What is the big deal? Man people cry about everything nowadays sound like a bunch of betas
@@show-me-retro no I have never owned an AtGames before. The only thing I'm disappointed about is I got box 2 last Friday and I still have not received box 1. I'm a tech junkie and have 31 Arcade 1Up's. I recently bought the Ray-Ban Meta, XReal Air 2 Pro and a Samsung S24 Ultra and they all have bugs that need software tweaks. Have you seen the build quality of the pinball 4K? It's unreal they giving us such high quality at such a cheap price. People need to have a little patience and let them work through the bugs. If people want perfection they can pay 10 times that price and go buy a Stern. Give at games credit for putting such a high quality pinball table at a very reasonable price.
@GoldMineArcade I rest my case. The first gen ALP updates were seriously out of control and that's where frustration in this video comes from because people seem to forget how insane that was. It was above and beyond how other companies handle updates... trust me. I'm only trying to make people aware of doing and update that may or may not mess things up on a beautiful $1500 machine
There are other issues people are reporting including micro stutter, plunger issues and 3d graphics bugs that I forgot to mention
I agree, man. For 1,500 bucks, this thing needs to work as designed out of the box.
They did have some bad updates. The machine is just not ready.
That seems to be the case
Good points, if a little exaggerated. I want to see the flipper lag fixed for sure. I am not a fan of the ball trails or the scoring showing up on the playfield, even when playing on steam, which I have seen glitches on my older gaming pc with a gtx 970, i7 7700k. I have yet to try the steam versions on my newer gaming pc with 12900k and 3080Ti yet, but that is to be my OTG. I am like you on the better option too, I really looked into it and found a really nice one direct for less than half what the resellers are charging but I do not have the room and I am happy with the ALP infrastructure so I went with Addams Family with SSF Kit factory install and the discounts they offered at preorder, along with tables being 50 percent off, and ssf kit 50 percent I took the gamble, time will tell...
Lol, I may have exaggerated a little but it was an issue when the original was launched and it was really frustrating. I haven't nailed down what I'm exactly buying real/virtual but I'm not in a hurry. When the deal comes I'll jump on it. Appreciate your opinion Carl
Loving the videos lately Pat! Keep up the good work. Always appreciate and value your honest opinion.
Thanks Mikey
I was impacted by this and it's left a sour taste in my mouth about dealing with AtGames in the future. I've been going back and forth with them in a support case and they've been unwilling to do what I consider would be the right thing. Shame on me for pre-ordering early on a product with a non-refundable deposit. You'd think I'd know better. As a business owner myself, it's not the way I would treat my customers and feel like they made calculated decisions to lock people into deposits early, before announcing the rest of the lineup. The performance of the marquee title, Addams Family, is another issue. I'm not even playing it on my cabinet, because it's just not fun at the moment. The lag compared to the Magic Pixel cabinets is just awful.
So sorry to hear that... AtGames needs to make this right
Great video. Enjoying your content as always.
Thanks Brad, enjoyed your review
I'm really enjoying the stock tables, lots more than I thought I would. The objectives and rewards making spending some time in each game enjoyable. Looking forward to the ore ordered table. Nice video
I have 2 atgames hd pinballs, scored them for 240$ a piece through sams club. Had them for over a year, love them, play them daily although theyre not perfect, they definitely are worth more than what i got them for.
Having said that, i pre-ordered day 1 for 4k. I wanted to support the company and wanted the bigger backbox for otg which is mainly what i play. After being in the 4k pinball group, ive seen probably 30-40 damaged units out of like 150 which is a pretty high number. The way atgames rolled this whole thing out was all done wrong, including telling everyone they get invoices on the 19th only to give them out to 10% of the people. Ordered day 1 myself and they still havent event sent an update on shipping yet and its now fully paid for. Super nervous to recieve this. Even if its comes in mint condition, which i hope it does, although i support the company and like their products, i definatly wouldnt ever pre-order anything from them again. Its been a big mess to watch. Best to wait to just buy these machines once they hit stores. Actually wish i would have never pre-ordered but didnt wanna cancel and lose the 200$. Always have the option to sell it for at least the 1100$ back lol
I think the lesson here which I failed to mention is never pre-order... especially from Atgames or Arcade1up LOL. Hopefully everything goes well, sincerely 🙏
Well, you know. Hope springs eternal.
Non refundable deposits is a scummy business practice.
Absolutely, and $200?! So dumb
Still lag on the Addams Family, but the table is amazing. Got mine Friday. Played all weekend and the secondary tables are a lot of fun.
Eventually they will get these issues worked out but it could take awhile
just the not getting any info about shipping either table or sound kit that I paid for weeks ago is starting to gripe me..
That's unfortunate
Well, I call BS on paying for these items weeks ago.
Now Pat...
Everything seems to be rushed releases. Im pretty good about waiting for bug fixes and lower prices. As it currently sits im still satisfied with my ALP. Once i see more Zen tables available and past the public testing phase I'll be more interested. Besides i really want Twilight Zone theme. It might not be a theme but it might. Who the hell knows. Another thing I'd feel safer buying from, say, a Walmart with insurance just in case Atgames drops the ball on accountability.
Rushed, absolutely. Twilight Zone will be coming, you can count on it. Also, I dont see the ALP 4k ever at a retail store but I could be wrong. I get what you're saying though
I never updated my ALP after I got a few games I really liked. I was so scared to brick it.
I don't blame you Lol
Interesting, never heard anyone talk about the deposit difference. The fact they are trickling out skins is not good from a customer standpoint. "Hey, we are going to have 15 skins, but not tell you what or when they will be released. Now please preorder this one." I have the HD and gutted it. Screen quality was not good. While the 4k is improved, i just dont see it being worth double the price (normal cost) than the original. 60h screen is acceptable, but they really should have gone with a higher one, either at 1080p or 2k. But they had to use the 4k buzz to get sales.
Yeah, that pre-order deposit was pretty icky business tactic. I think this machine looks pretty sharp but I think it's way overpriced for the playfield size and that Atgames ui is a horrible experience
On the atgames legends pinball, the 1st one, the lights on monitor for Gladiators do not light up. I contacted them several times, they told me, they don’t know and to wait for an update. Every update it does not fix it. It makes it unplayable, so i got 21 table. This is my last purchase from them.
I’m pretty positive this was actually fixed a while back with the Gottlieb update.
@@brandonpurvis2815 I’ll check for a recent update thanks
@@brandonpurvis2815 nope still messed!
AtGames has never been a well run company. I will say that they’ve been moving in the right direction. Never had update issues with my HD ALP, but only owned since late 2022. Have had occasional login issues though.
Wanted to get the Attack from Mars, but figured issues like this would happen. Skipping it for now. For this price, the machine should work great immediately.
I agree. And yes, the AFM looks pretty sweet, not gonna lie but if I'm spending close to $2K I'd prefer something bigger with 120hz
@@show-me-retrobut can you get a nice 120hz cab for under 5k. I built my own and it looked terrible lol so I decided on this one as it didn’t break the bank. If you know of a nice starter kit around the same price I’d love to hear about it so I can cancel my order ;-). Thx for the honest review
dude, clean your glasses. I can’t take it!
The is my first pinball machine of any kind definitely entry level however I think if they can get the Adam’s family to work with no
Lag then its a win, very disappointed in there being lag issues for their main table that is embarrassing truly… I will look into OTG since I have a spare gaming laptop but this shouldn’t be the case. They need to fix the flipper lag asap and the loud solenoids also!
I'm sure you will enjoy it. Once I finally got the original dialed in it was somewhat enjoyable but just left me wanting more. This is a huge improvement in the looks department... now they just need to get the bugs worked out. But that should have been done prior to release
Think I'll just stick with my heavily modded HD unit, 120hz is just too sweet to give up.
You put a different playfield in?!
@@show-me-retro yeah, new playfied, dmd, bitpixel hv, ssf, speakers and full dof lighting kit. It's a great platform for modding and since the warranty is non-existent you might as well.
Why A1Up went 4K instead of a doable and still great looking 1440p for the chipset they are using is only for their marketing people to answer. 1440p though on a 4K looks worse compared to 1080p.
Are you sure this wasn't an Arcade1up launch?!
Basically the same thing LOL
Everyone was warned
Why do ppl still do business with At Games!?
Why do these companies do this to us?
Solenoids too loud is good for me !!!
Apparently they aren't in sync with what's happening n the playfield though Lol
@@show-me-retro that’s no good. I love my legends hd but I was a very late adopter and mostly like the zaccaria tables.
Problem is if you want PREMIUM, you’re looking at $6k plus unless you are capable and spend great effort to build your own. The HD ALP for around $600-800 was very fairly price even considering issues. The 4K is very fairly priced at around $1500 for what you are getting. Just need some lag improvement and a couple of other hiccups to work though.
I’m not so concerned like “the few” that are going nuts.
That playfield is way too small. I don't mind spending premium prices for premium products
I don't mind paying entry level prices for entry level products. 😂
Or just ask them to provide a downgrade firmware solution?! Simple lol.
That's been asked and never given
If you buy this over priced joke, be prepared to be their Beta tester. This cab not ready just rushed out. AtGames is turning into Arcade 1Up. You got to be a total Mo to buy this at full retail. So many damaged cabs tells me cab is under packaged. Another hot mess no thanks.
I am definitely not buying this. I mentioned I wanted something premium which this clearly is not
I can't figure out why you're complaining so much for. This is normal in the tech world we live in today. Samsung just dropped new s24s and they are buggy imagine that. Same thing with iPhone's they all come with bugs because tech companies rush to get them out and they fix them with updates. What is the big deal? Man people cry about everything nowadays sound like a bunch of betas
Did you own the first gen ALP?
Those companies you mention don't put out an updates every 2 weeks for over a year
@@show-me-retro no I have never owned an AtGames before. The only thing I'm disappointed about is I got box 2 last Friday and I still have not received box 1. I'm a tech junkie and have 31 Arcade 1Up's. I recently bought the Ray-Ban Meta, XReal Air 2 Pro and a Samsung S24 Ultra and they all have bugs that need software tweaks. Have you seen the build quality of the pinball 4K? It's unreal they giving us such high quality at such a cheap price. People need to have a little patience and let them work through the bugs. If people want perfection they can pay 10 times that price and go buy a Stern. Give at games credit for putting such a high quality pinball table at a very reasonable price.
@GoldMineArcade I rest my case. The first gen ALP updates were seriously out of control and that's where frustration in this video comes from because people seem to forget how insane that was. It was above and beyond how other companies handle updates... trust me. I'm only trying to make people aware of doing and update that may or may not mess things up on a beautiful $1500 machine
Not the same comparison..... Sounds like AtGames deflecting.... Hey, do you work for them? 😉