Personally I tend to go mud heavy mostly because I like the look of the big gnarly tires. However, with the Tayga twins and any other vehicle that can use them, I stick with the balloon tires purely because of stability. Tayga twins are perfect for the high-range gearbox since you don't want to use L+ due to the excessive wheelsman anyways. You can usually get those up into H pretty quick and rip around the map fast and that's when you will need that extra stability. In the case of the Bandit, I think the balloon tires are the only real viable option for that Tipmaster 9000.
@@NProvince One thing I've been shifting pretty heavy to is the use of highrange gearboxes. You hear about them, you see people using them and some videos explaining in a basic format of what it is. But I haven't seen videos showing exactly what to expect with them. Which trucks are good and which ones aren't, how to use it the most effective under what conditions and just how the performance of the vehicle changes. Like, for example, on asphalt when you're in auto you can feel the vehicle wanting to slip all over the road, fishtail and just have a hard time (especially in towns in Ontario because the roads there are made of ice it seems), but dropping to H may lower your speed but the vehicle balances itself that you can control it much easier. Tayga and Azov 5319 feel as if they were made for highrange. Heck, the Loadstar is able to almost go from a dead stop to H because of its torque. Just an in-depth analysis of the highrange gearboxes would be awesome for those people that feel wary about using them.
@@Paladwynpretty much the answer is simple. If you have good PtW rating, you should use highrange. If you have always on difflock or no difflock at all - you should use highrange (because there's no benefit in having 3 low gears anyway). Offroad is only viable for slow trucks with switchable difflock, or the ones you do heavy work with (logging and such).
@@vladvulcan That's pretty much it as well, and the general rule I tend to go with. There's just a lot of people I've talked to who don't use it because they have the wrong idea of it. They are expecting something different than what it is.
For A VERY Thorough breakdown of Tires, Mud, and Navigation through SnowRunners elements; This video will show things spoken of in this video: th-cam.com/video/dIILT6cWQsE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xPtAdNgF81gpnyW7 *In that video we did not have any numerical data, which is why I decided to make this video showing how the numerical values confirm the findings and examples in that video* The NEW TIRE DLC IS NOW OUT AS OF 11/22/2023. These tires have not been tested much against the tires in this video and I still believe the options mention in this video are still competitve, on par with &/or better than some of the new tires
Covered a good portion of my tire gripes in my little rant list I alluded to in a previous comment, great topic and thanks for the video! There are so many options that are so close together for overall performance. Ive been a little taken aback by how much of a mystery tires and tire performance is to a huge portion of the SR communities since I started playing and how willing a lot of people are to just say "Get the TMHS and forget about everything else" or "Western trucks have crap tires", (Or even tell you youre doing it horribly wrong if they see OHSII in one of your screenshots) Especially since the initial reddit post HumanHighlighter based his video on is over 2 years old IIRC. You can create some really funny results messing with width, softness and radius offsets in the xml's. Like highway tires that can just rip through "super mud" even with a mud friction value of 0.2... It does seem these values are applied first and then the friction values are modifiers on top of these that then get compared to the friction value your truck/trailers/load is generating on a given terrain type.
Thank you! Ya I just really wanted to try and hammer home things I mentioned in my previous video which was also done over a year ago, but still folks have questions so I felt I could add to it with TheHumanHighligher’s data as well. See it’s things like your example that prove friction coefficient isn’t the whole story.
I've used All Terrain, Offroad, chains and mud. When allowed, I go with mud tires. I'm someone who usually wants to use the winch as little as I can and get vehicles to places under their own power, after all we are playing Snow Runner, not Winch Runner. While UOD II and OHD I are good, they can get stuck in severe enough conditions. Meanwhile even if it's just a slow crawl, mud tires tend to keep you always moving. Now in the vast majority of places you can run offroad tires, carry more speed in shallow-moderate condition, and just fling out winches and winch yourself though deep mud and snow way faster then just crawling with mud tires in Medium Low or Low Minus. So objectively offroad tires are better. But I myself just don't want to play the game that way. Mud tires might be slower then winching, but I like their ability to at least keep you moving. They just suit what I personally want out of the game. So for me what tire is faster really isn't what matters.
@@NProvince Generally I run TMHS I, AMSH I, MSH II, DMSH I, UOD II, OHD I, default tires on K-700, double tires on K-7M. I have used the OHD II on the P12 before, there was a point in time I wanted to match a vehicles wheels to their spare tire design, though I gave up on that as the F-750, Loadstar, Voron-D and others use highway tires as their spares, which while I want to get vehicles largely places under their own power, I don't want to make the game THAT brutal on myself running highway tires. lol But yeah the P12 did do well with the OHD II, so I agree they are a good tire. I kinda wonder if UOD III acts as a proper tire as well. In my experience I've found UOD III to get stuck somewhat easily in mud (though I'd still say they are better then UOD I), but I've used them in winter maps, pretty sure it was one of the harder ones to like Kola, think I had them on the 750 at the time. And they didn't feel they did too badly honestly.
If offroad tires are "objectively" better then why use mudtires what so ever then? Weird how mud tires dont need a winch to get to places but offroad do but offroad is better? Yea no they arent lmfao rofl you just stated your subjective opinion as objective fact, dont confuse the two, good luck with those offroad tires in any russian region what so ever without a winch
Awesome video, Nate. I really love these videos where I might accidently learn some stuff. I'm a UOD fan when there is no OHD's. I'll use 2's when I'm gonna run into mud and 3's when it's mostly dirt. I'm weird like that though. I also check google to make sure I put the right rims on my trucks too.
I’m only 4 mins into the video but I’ll give you way way way more credit than 99.9% you even considering the facts that every mud is made different makes me not even question how much you thought this through thanks bro keep em coming. Where do you get all these values though? I can’t figure shit out with this game. I drive professionally so I’m fine with driving but statistics and where to get the materials for drop off kills me
Thank you! I also have other videos pertaining to this and other things like muddruning tips and truck reviews as well. So those charts are found on a site called maprunner.info
I agree that the difference between performance of tires is sort of a moot point at the top end and choosing tries to suit the truck more is better, instead of trying to min max the tire stats basically. For example the Dan and Boar are by far the worst two trucks for digging there front wheels, so on those two i use a the MHS 3's ( thanks to mod which adds extra base game and dlc tire options to trucks) which helps to stop the front end from plunging in and having to either back up or plough through.
Another good way to mitigate plunging front heavy vehicles is with weight on rear axle. In the DANs case, the active suspension in combo with a multipurpose addon or low saddle lowers that occurance
Form my personal experience, I prefer to use ballon and large mud tires on snow or when the truck is too unstable to use single front offroad tires. I avoid to use them in water and deep swamps since they lose too much friction and you need to go very slow. In those cases I prefer to just use trucks with massive mud tires since they will never get their frames under the mud/water. For all the rest I prefer to use Offroad tires.
Nice! I just started a new game+ and right now I'm dreaming about leveling up for the all terrains 😅 My favorite tire as well, from my original save, is the OHD1. I put it on the Voron Grad with the best engine and high range gearbox and just cruising about the Glades with no worries 😎
Im using the new JAT tires not cuz they are close or sometimes better than the old ones in offroad/mud, but cuz they have increased stability and improved asphalt road grid at high speed. Plus they go super well with the highrange gearbox on uneven terrain!
Excellent video! Is the spreadsheet shown at 3:19 (the one including tire widths and softness) available somewhere? If not, could you maybe share it? (Maybe with OneDrive, if you are using Excel) Thank you!
@@NProvince The "Tyre/Tire Stats" spreadsheet listed under the "Resources" drop down menu on MapRunner does not link to a spreadsheet that contains width and softness data. It links to this spreadsheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ehuLHwbmA5ktr0ZC_gv52H3fkz3qxJY_i_uS7Gh0xRU/edit?usp=sharing
I don't enjoy the "mud bogging" part of the game, even at best. I pick things more for the stability and traction in the terrain I actually enjoy, tacky rugged dirt roads and off-roading. The fat mud tires generally provide the best foundation for stability from their width so I usually use them, but at the same time they can be annoying on some terrain, and terrible and fragile on paved roads.
One thing you didn't mention about dual tires, they have twice the weight of single tires. Suspension stiffness is calculated from tire weight. Mount a heavy addon like fuel tank and swap between TMHS and OHD, or use the Boar which can have medium and heavy tires to see the difference tire weight makes.
So thats actually not true. The MHS sets weight are the same as OHDs. However the example for the Boar is valid because it has 100kg UODs and then the 200kg OHDs. Also the TMHS are the same weight as OHDs. Concerning weight and grip; the devs have told me that increased weight is increased grip to a certain point. With the stiffness calculation regarding tires; Im not familiar. Also I think the whole tires/grip conversation is already muli faceted so in essence the statement "More weight more grip; to a certain point" is a good one to leave it at in my humblest opinion. If this is concerning rear mass scale I think its gonna confuse alot of folks. This is partly why i think leaving this stuff out is ok as well
@@NProvince Double mass is not set straight up, but as a multiplier in the templates for dual tires: For example: In case you need video proof: th-cam.com/video/L9LLYk5P4-A/w-d-xo.html
Are there any hidden value or something like that that affects the performance of these DMHS tires? I just couldn’t understand why devs set DMHS tires’ value exactly same as MHS ones.
I don’t think there’s any explanation for why they are the exact same tire code as MHS1. They jus follow the same template and that’s really it; nothing special other than the way they look
they did this with the DMHS and hell, I don't like this at all! From the very start of the game, everything tells you: tires do matter! upgrade when possible! and suddenly they come up with these and tires do not matter anymore, they are just a skin...
Well, the question is, what do we expect from tires? Most offroad and mud tires can cover most terrain with a time of +/- 5%? Maybe 10%. In my opinion, this is not that important, what matters is when you accidentally get stuck in a place where there is no place for a winch. Then a better dirty or width value will not help. My point is that time should not be an indicator of a good tire. Similarly, tire tests should be carried out with a load (You are one of the few who took such a test.), a good logistician does not drive empty, especially on mud.
If hauling via sideboard bed Alone; balloons for stability. If hauling via semi trailer? Probably UOD2 because of the bite on the dirt. I’ve talked about this a lot on my season 11 playthrough while using the zikz 5368 and also spoke about it on the review as well
A shame the tires don't have equal stats - I love the look of some of the tires that are just trash. I suppose it does give rise to more variety and customizability. RIP MHS I o7
I learned the hard way last night that the most expensive snow tires are not the best for any job. I went on a scouting mission for an upgrade far away with what I thought was the best tires in the game, it turns out those tires don't work well in deep mud and I spent an hour trying to winch myself thru a swamp to no avail. I concluded that the tires are good for what they look like rather than what the rating says
off topic question, which truck is best for the metal detector... I use the GSM bobblehead mod for the seismaic and the radar but there isn't one for the metal detector.
I’d say any truck tbh. I honestly have used the metal detector once in my life on Kola, after that I just reference the map and look for the object, remember its location or just reference maprunner
On what truck? Sometimes some trucks don’t have mud tires, however if you go to my JAT tire review, you’ll see a lot of off-road tires actually can be better in a lot of cases. Certain vehicles can equip certain tires based on size and how the devs felt
@@NProvince i saw someone put pr33 woodsman or something tires on a fleetstar. Looked really good. But it might have been a mod. Ill check your JAT video. Thanks for the reply
i find the balloons to be a bit slow but they never get stuck( they just sit on top of the mud and dont get that much grip so they spin like crazy but they just refuse to sink and get stuck)
I hate how saber is purposely vague with their tire specs. I'm a console player, so I can't just go into the files and see for myself. I literally have to equip each tire type and see how it performs.
It’s actually really tricky to look up tire stats in the files which is why the products on SnowRunner data sheets are so nice to have. Thats what I use
@@NProvince it just seems so lazy. I mean, how difficult is it to provide us with the specifications of the tires? Their bad, average, good and excellent ratings don't really provide enough information, and I have even found their own ratings will sometimes contradict the actual numerical values.
@@NProvince Maybe. For the longest time, I didn't even know tires in the same category had differing values. For example, when I was first playing the game, I thought all UOD tires were the same, because they all had the same ratings. There was nothing there to tell me, otherwise, unless I noticed a difference while actually driving. If they're not being lazy, then I'm guessing it must be something too deep in the code and they can't just add tire specs to the UI.
Well, New Tire DLC Thingy May Change This... I Often Go with Big Muds Like The Base Game MHS's Oftenly, Might start using the DLC Ones but dont think they are better in the most after testing.
This information is actually still relevant and the mud running tips video as well. The new tire video is on my page and essentially doesn’t rule out these tires at all.
@@NProvince yes, but there is always human curiosity 😅 it would be nice to see 3rd time with every truck you've checked and see how the new tires compare to old ones. But still, thank you for that info! 😃
Not really sure what you mean. I’ve made 3 videos so far. If you’re meaning to check every truck in the game; I don’t know a TH-camr who would spend 10 hours on a video to run every single truck in the game through tires and show each trial as a edited video. I think the evidence is already in about tires from 3 videos hundreds of hours and also other testers on this same thing. Glad you enjoyed the video :)
@@NProvince Nah, sorry no, I didn't mean to run it with all even with taygas that you have already used. But still, the evidence is there - I get it. But I'm still unsure if old tires are always better for trucks. TaygaB and Mack that I use seem to benefit from new tires. Plus for users who doesn't see real numbers, they see average/excellent/excellent rating with new tires. Old mud tires were poor/excellent/exelent, so it is clear for normal users to always use DLC tires.
I see what you mean. So I believe on the video I kinda broke it down to a blanket statement. The new JATs are a good option. The narrow tires and old tires that were great are still up top, but in terms of the need to stay up with balance and not sinking the JATs are really good for this especially the doubles. I hope that kinda answers your question
Well, these results sure are confusing. With 1x metal beams, the MHS 2 are better than the TMHS 1, but are slightly worse than the OHD 1 on the Voron Grad. The thing is, if we use the time on the Tayga 6436, the MHS 2 are better than the OHD 1, which is confusing. Are they better or are they worse? And with 2x metal beams, the MHS 2 have no chance againts the TMHS 1, even tho they are better with only 1x metal beams. As for the OHD 1, again, it is vastly diferent from truck to truck. On the Voron Grad, the OHD 1 didnt even make it, but on the Tayga 6436 they were the best ones. Conducting my own test using the container delivery challenge in Taymyr, the OHD 1 we behind the MHS 2, but so were the TMHS 1 (I used the same route for both, including dirt and a little bit of mud, with 1 cargo container on sideboard bed as cargo) so my pick would be the MHS 2. This video left me more confused than clarified honestly, because the results very so much from truck to truck and cargo amount. Overall it seems like the MH2 are the best but the TMHS 1 are better for pulling heavy loads, and even tho the OHD 1 got a better time, on some trucks they get DNF and per my experience I got stuck in Island Lake pulling an unloaded sideboard semi trailer using the OHD 1. So in conclusion, I wont use the OHD 1 but rather the MH2 for no/"light" loads and the TMHS for heavy loads. Sorry this is so long lol
For me nowadays THMS is somewhat meh. Yeah, I know it's blasphemy, because that tire was with ous from Spintires, so the very beginning, but while in Spintires it was a God, here it's a slow floaty boi. Sure I can get trough everything, but I cant put it in a higher gear, because it's just spins and wont go trough the mud and the road efficiency is low so you cant really push it. At least OHD1 and OHS2 you have moments when you can put it into high gear or even auto amd that's why it's been a while since I used the Tayga. Good truck, but a tad bit monotone for me
Even with these new tire sets that just hit the game, I wouldn’t be surprised if the OHD1 and OHS2 still performed better or as good as the new tires. Hoping they do. Yea the TMHS are really just floatations that crawl through at a low speed.
I really just wish the game gave us more information. Show me the numbers right on the screen instead of excellent and good etc. show me the horse power of an engine, weight, gal/m rating like mpg, so I can really compare things.
Hmm... I've been just using what looks cool. Except for highway tires, who uses those? I feel bad for the person who spent hours designing and texturing those knowing nobody's going to use them.
People who still use tmhs tires after they got nerfed, either dont understand anything about the game or really like to go through deep mud with 0,0002km/h
I already have my own video showing all these things which took hundreds of hours to conclude. I don’t think I need to do that one more time to prove it, which is why I looked for other data from other testers. Glad you agree :)
This game is as arcade as it gets. There is a huge misconception, that this is a simulator, probably because most people have never driver off road IRL. Those Tayga tires would dominate all other tires in the game, aside from the tractor style mud tires with the real deep groves / aggressive patterns. Instead you get ridiculous stuff like the P16 tires having more dirt and mud traction than the Tayga tires.
i really dont like when dev make stuff like this. for normal players that may or may not look up tips oh look I finally unlocked the mud tires it should be easier now nope its actually worse you should stick with offroad tires they are better than mud tires in mud. really makes no sense for the average player either have mud tires and be better than offroad tires in mud or dont
If you watch my video on the JAT tire review, I kinda try and hammer down the use case for wide mud tires and why off-road tires are winning more under certain circumstances. It’s similar to explanation on this video, but shows more testing with head addons. I definitely know what you mean though. It can be confusing. This is why I wanted to make a series of videos like this starting with MudRunnin tips, this video and the JAT tire review
Off course, The Best are those on pacifics, but that we can NOT. Have them, so... Which one? Well, depends, The devs make The game to be a challenge, so everything you do in game is a challenge, from what you choose for The task /contract /whatever you do, sooo.. Depends of terrain, where you go? Deep Mud? Kirovetz double mud tires are The Best, they can go through ice of amur easy.. Than Zikz 605r tires But Grip is favor by weight, more weight more grip, so all drive through deep mud is a matematic formula which include weight, tires number (2 for mud, 1,9 for off road), tire dimension, engine torque, numbers of tires wich pull The vehicle(chevy scout vs tatarin) Awd on, diff lock on, if The tires are double like pacific, they even add more stability, check voron d, Well, some tires are... Special, like tayga, are perfect for don s5, where you havea mix of mud, roots, rocks, absorb some how shocks... Thats why when you drive on asphalt, they don't ofer stability, so That s why i prefer for tayga on easy maps MHS 2 or 3...i think.. 😊 Than are TATRA. Tires, one of The Best for mud, have 3,5, zikz 605r 2,7 but zikz 605r are bigger in diametre, so... For off road, like rocks or dirt, i would go for MHS 3 or 4, like CAT from yukon have... So depends where you go... 😊
I think you're brining in information that I didn't wish to get into. Simply put, the video was based on truck tires that are generally found on most vehicles in the game. Alot of your examples are custom tires and/or super heavy weight tires which was left out strategically because in those cases they pretty much only have those super heavy tire options to use and/or a custom tire and we all know the stats for them. AThis was also make to reference my first video mentioned. Super heavy/custom tires are by a case by case evaluation. Covering every single tire would take quite some time
Personally I tend to go mud heavy mostly because I like the look of the big gnarly tires. However, with the Tayga twins and any other vehicle that can use them, I stick with the balloon tires purely because of stability. Tayga twins are perfect for the high-range gearbox since you don't want to use L+ due to the excessive wheelsman anyways. You can usually get those up into H pretty quick and rip around the map fast and that's when you will need that extra stability. In the case of the Bandit, I think the balloon tires are the only real viable option for that Tipmaster 9000.
For trucks like the bandit, yea those imho are needed for balance properties for sure.
@@NProvince One thing I've been shifting pretty heavy to is the use of highrange gearboxes. You hear about them, you see people using them and some videos explaining in a basic format of what it is.
But I haven't seen videos showing exactly what to expect with them. Which trucks are good and which ones aren't, how to use it the most effective under what conditions and just how the performance of the vehicle changes.
Like, for example, on asphalt when you're in auto you can feel the vehicle wanting to slip all over the road, fishtail and just have a hard time (especially in towns in Ontario because the roads there are made of ice it seems), but dropping to H may lower your speed but the vehicle balances itself that you can control it much easier.
Tayga and Azov 5319 feel as if they were made for highrange. Heck, the Loadstar is able to almost go from a dead stop to H because of its torque.
Just an in-depth analysis of the highrange gearboxes would be awesome for those people that feel wary about using them.
@@Paladwynpretty much the answer is simple. If you have good PtW rating, you should use highrange. If you have always on difflock or no difflock at all - you should use highrange (because there's no benefit in having 3 low gears anyway). Offroad is only viable for slow trucks with switchable difflock, or the ones you do heavy work with (logging and such).
@@vladvulcan That's pretty much it as well, and the general rule I tend to go with.
There's just a lot of people I've talked to who don't use it because they have the wrong idea of it.
They are expecting something different than what it is.
@@Paladwyn yeah, those are dumb people. They think highrange gearbox is only good for highway, which are a rare sight in this game.
For A VERY Thorough breakdown of Tires, Mud, and Navigation through SnowRunners elements; This video will show things spoken of in this video: th-cam.com/video/dIILT6cWQsE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xPtAdNgF81gpnyW7
*In that video we did not have any numerical data, which is why I decided to make this video showing how the numerical values confirm the findings and examples in that video*
The NEW TIRE DLC IS NOW OUT AS OF 11/22/2023. These tires have not been tested much against the tires in this video and I still believe the options mention in this video are still competitve, on par with &/or better than some of the new tires
Glad you're still making videos. I'm a pretty new player, 287 hours already tho😂.
Keep up the good work Nate
Oh man 300hrs is a good bit of time. Glad you liked the video :)
300 hours in and I have barely finished season 1 😂
I was just thinking this… I’m at close to 300 hours but I still consider myself a new player. So much to learn.
Im still learning alot as well :)@@jordanbutler8828
Covered a good portion of my tire gripes in my little rant list I alluded to in a previous comment, great topic and thanks for the video! There are so many options that are so close together for overall performance.
Ive been a little taken aback by how much of a mystery tires and tire performance is to a huge portion of the SR communities since I started playing and how willing a lot of people are to just say "Get the TMHS and forget about everything else" or "Western trucks have crap tires", (Or even tell you youre doing it horribly wrong if they see OHSII in one of your screenshots) Especially since the initial reddit post HumanHighlighter based his video on is over 2 years old IIRC. You can create some really funny results messing with width, softness and radius offsets in the xml's. Like highway tires that can just rip through "super mud" even with a mud friction value of 0.2... It does seem these values are applied first and then the friction values are modifiers on top of these that then get compared to the friction value your truck/trailers/load is generating on a given terrain type.
Thank you! Ya I just really wanted to try and hammer home things I mentioned in my previous video which was also done over a year ago, but still folks have questions so I felt I could add to it with TheHumanHighligher’s data as well. See it’s things like your example that prove friction coefficient isn’t the whole story.
Elaborate further on the highway tires, please
Seems really interesting
100% agree ... I mostly use those 3 offroad tires, unless there are good reasons not to do so (f.e. getting the "Bandit" more stable)
I've used All Terrain, Offroad, chains and mud. When allowed, I go with mud tires.
I'm someone who usually wants to use the winch as little as I can and get vehicles to places under their own power, after all we are playing Snow Runner, not Winch Runner. While UOD II and OHD I are good, they can get stuck in severe enough conditions. Meanwhile even if it's just a slow crawl, mud tires tend to keep you always moving.
Now in the vast majority of places you can run offroad tires, carry more speed in shallow-moderate condition, and just fling out winches and winch yourself though deep mud and snow way faster then just crawling with mud tires in Medium Low or Low Minus. So objectively offroad tires are better.
But I myself just don't want to play the game that way. Mud tires might be slower then winching, but I like their ability to at least keep you moving. They just suit what I personally want out of the game.
So for me what tire is faster really isn't what matters.
Likewise for me its not whats faster, but what tailors to my gameplay style
@@NProvince Generally I run TMHS I, AMSH I, MSH II, DMSH I, UOD II, OHD I, default tires on K-700, double tires on K-7M.
I have used the OHD II on the P12 before, there was a point in time I wanted to match a vehicles wheels to their spare tire design, though I gave up on that as the F-750, Loadstar, Voron-D and others use highway tires as their spares, which while I want to get vehicles largely places under their own power, I don't want to make the game THAT brutal on myself running highway tires. lol
But yeah the P12 did do well with the OHD II, so I agree they are a good tire.
I kinda wonder if UOD III acts as a proper tire as well. In my experience I've found UOD III to get stuck somewhat easily in mud (though I'd still say they are better then UOD I), but I've used them in winter maps, pretty sure it was one of the harder ones to like Kola, think I had them on the 750 at the time. And they didn't feel they did too badly honestly.
If offroad tires are "objectively" better then why use mudtires what so ever then? Weird how mud tires dont need a winch to get to places but offroad do but offroad is better? Yea no they arent lmfao rofl you just stated your subjective opinion as objective fact, dont confuse the two, good luck with those offroad tires in any russian region what so ever without a winch
Awesome video, Nate. I really love these videos where I might accidently learn some stuff. I'm a UOD fan when there is no OHD's. I'll use 2's when I'm gonna run into mud and 3's when it's mostly dirt. I'm weird like that though. I also check google to make sure I put the right rims on my trucks too.
Thank you! Oh yes the UODs are still a good option!
Rims make a diference?
Extremely informative as always. Thank you!!
You are most welcome ! :)
I’m only 4 mins into the video but I’ll give you way way way more credit than 99.9% you even considering the facts that every mud is made different makes me not even question how much you thought this through thanks bro keep em coming. Where do you get all these values though? I can’t figure shit out with this game. I drive professionally so I’m fine with driving but statistics and where to get the materials for drop off kills me
Thank you! I also have other videos pertaining to this and other things like muddruning tips and truck reviews as well. So those charts are found on a site called maprunner.info
I agree that the difference between performance of tires is sort of a moot point at the top end and choosing tries to suit the truck more is better, instead of trying to min max the tire stats basically.
For example the Dan and Boar are by far the worst two trucks for digging there front wheels, so on those two i use a the MHS 3's ( thanks to mod which adds extra base game and dlc tire options to trucks) which helps to stop the front end from plunging in and having to either back up or plough through.
Another good way to mitigate plunging front heavy vehicles is with weight on rear axle. In the DANs case, the active suspension in combo with a multipurpose addon or low saddle lowers that occurance
✊ way to go nathan you are a genuine kool guy you do represent for us fans and the game we need that keep it up
Thank you!
Form my personal experience, I prefer to use ballon and large mud tires on snow or when the truck is too unstable to use single front offroad tires. I avoid to use them in water and deep swamps since they lose too much friction and you need to go very slow. In those cases I prefer to just use trucks with massive mud tires since they will never get their frames under the mud/water. For all the rest I prefer to use Offroad tires.
Nice! I just started a new game+ and right now I'm dreaming about leveling up for the all terrains 😅
My favorite tire as well, from my original save, is the OHD1. I put it on the Voron Grad with the best engine and high range gearbox and just cruising about the Glades with no worries 😎
That’s awesome! The brand new tires are also interesting, but I still think the OHDs are quite incredible
Im using the new JAT tires not cuz they are close or sometimes better than the old ones in offroad/mud, but cuz they have increased stability and improved asphalt road grid at high speed. Plus they go super well with the highrange gearbox on uneven terrain!
That’s a good reason to use them :)
Excellent video!
Is the spreadsheet shown at 3:19 (the one including tire widths and softness) available somewhere?
If not, could you maybe share it? (Maybe with OneDrive, if you are using Excel)
Thank you!
As mentioned on the video these are available on maprunner website. :)
@@NProvince The "Tyre/Tire Stats" spreadsheet listed under the "Resources" drop down menu on MapRunner does not link to a spreadsheet that contains width and softness data. It links to this spreadsheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ehuLHwbmA5ktr0ZC_gv52H3fkz3qxJY_i_uS7Gh0xRU/edit?usp=sharing
Ah, the Yukon garage background music. Lovely...
I don't enjoy the "mud bogging" part of the game, even at best. I pick things more for the stability and traction in the terrain I actually enjoy, tacky rugged dirt roads and off-roading. The fat mud tires generally provide the best foundation for stability from their width so I usually use them, but at the same time they can be annoying on some terrain, and terrible and fragile on paved roads.
Terribly fragile on pavement is such a good description for mudtires or tires in general it feels.
One thing you didn't mention about dual tires, they have twice the weight of single tires.
Suspension stiffness is calculated from tire weight. Mount a heavy addon like fuel tank and swap between TMHS and OHD, or use the Boar which can have medium and heavy tires to see the difference tire weight makes.
So thats actually not true. The MHS sets weight are the same as OHDs. However the example for the Boar is valid because it has 100kg UODs and then the 200kg OHDs. Also the TMHS are the same weight as OHDs. Concerning weight and grip; the devs have told me that increased weight is increased grip to a certain point. With the stiffness calculation regarding tires; Im not familiar. Also I think the whole tires/grip conversation is already muli faceted so in essence the statement "More weight more grip; to a certain point" is a good one to leave it at in my humblest opinion. If this is concerning rear mass scale I think its gonna confuse alot of folks. This is partly why i think leaving this stuff out is ok as well
@@NProvince
Double mass is not set straight up, but as a multiplier in the templates for dual tires:
For example:
In case you need video proof:
th-cam.com/video/L9LLYk5P4-A/w-d-xo.html
Your Tayga 6436 setup here is identical to mine
I feel like people crap on UODs even though they are perfectly functional.
They are still very good I agree
Hey nathan, could you please share the spreadsheet you are using in the video?
Its on this site and then go to resources> data spreadsheets. www.maprunner.info/
@@NProvince thanks 👌
Yes sir!@@heavyo6146
Thanks for the explanation, can you give us the excel spreadsheet you showed in the video by any chance?
As mentioned in the video the information is on the site maprunner
Thank you C:
Are there any hidden value or something like that that affects the performance of these DMHS tires? I just couldn’t understand why devs set DMHS tires’ value exactly same as MHS ones.
I don’t think there’s any explanation for why they are the exact same tire code as MHS1. They jus follow the same template and that’s really it; nothing special other than the way they look
Great guide and good recommendations.
На моменті, коли Арт стріляє в готку, я теж такий "А так можна було, виявляється?"😂😂😂
Do you have spreadsheet tires info for snowrunner latest version ?
It’s on maprunner website. It’s all on there and updated www.maprunner.info/
I think its different with your file, your file its more information like tire width
You’re looking at the wrong file. It’s under SnowRunner data spreadsheets on the maprunner site
One thing I wish they did was allow tires to be cosmetic… I want to run singles on Russian trucks but then I loose the performance of the OHDs.
Like a re’skin. I see
they did this with the DMHS and hell, I don't like this at all! From the very start of the game, everything tells you: tires do matter! upgrade when possible! and suddenly they come up with these and tires do not matter anymore, they are just a skin...
Soon as i seen this notification i got happy hell yea bro
what about the DLC tyres ?
th-cam.com/video/M_267xI6Nr0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=DpJi4JI5PtSD86Fm Heres the DLC TIRE Review
I wonder if the mud is very deep, will TMHS1 handle it better?
The TMHS essentially are floatations. They allow you to slowly traverse the deepest areas
Well, the question is, what do we expect from tires? Most offroad and mud tires can cover most terrain with a time of +/- 5%? Maybe 10%. In my opinion, this is not that important, what matters is when you accidentally get stuck in a place where there is no place for a winch. Then a better dirty or width value will not help. My point is that time should not be an indicator of a good tire. Similarly, tire tests should be carried out with a load (You are one of the few who took such a test.), a good logistician does not drive empty, especially on mud.
And what tires should I use on the KRS 58 Bandit or the Zikz 5368?
The Bandit has those mud balloon tires, which make sense here - because of stabilty reasons.. they make it less tippy
If hauling via sideboard bed Alone; balloons for stability. If hauling via semi trailer? Probably UOD2 because of the bite on the dirt. I’ve talked about this a lot on my season 11 playthrough while using the zikz 5368 and also spoke about it on the review as well
At Yukon, there are difference between Mud HS and Deep Mud HS, lateral being more comfortable to move. Somehow
A shame the tires don't have equal stats - I love the look of some of the tires that are just trash. I suppose it does give rise to more variety and customizability. RIP MHS I o7
I learned the hard way last night that the most expensive snow tires are not the best for any job. I went on a scouting mission for an upgrade far away with what I thought was the best tires in the game, it turns out those tires don't work well in deep mud and I spent an hour trying to winch myself thru a swamp to no avail. I concluded that the tires are good for what they look like rather than what the rating says
I think alot of folks did that. However like explained a few seconds time is not that much in a 1k hr game
off topic question, which truck is best for the metal detector... I use the GSM bobblehead mod for the seismaic and the radar but there isn't one for the metal detector.
I’d say any truck tbh. I honestly have used the metal detector once in my life on Kola, after that I just reference the map and look for the object, remember its location or just reference maprunner
@@NProvince thanks mate! you are absolutely the best Snowrunner content creator on the web. Learned so much.
Why don't i see the mud tire option, i also bought the JAT dlc but still no mud tire section to chooss from?
On what truck? Sometimes some trucks don’t have mud tires, however if you go to my JAT tire review, you’ll see a lot of off-road tires actually can be better in a lot of cases. Certain vehicles can equip certain tires based on size and how the devs felt
@@NProvince i saw someone put pr33 woodsman or something tires on a fleetstar. Looked really good. But it might have been a mod. Ill check your JAT video. Thanks for the reply
Ya I think that is a mod. The JATs don’t have anything of that sort of name
i find the balloons to be a bit slow but they never get stuck( they just sit on top of the mud and dont get that much grip so they spin like crazy but they just refuse to sink and get stuck)
Yes that’s basically one of the strengths of that tire :)
What tires should I use on scouts? If I have the JAT DLC. Should I go for Off-road or Mud tires?
This should help answer your question. Hope this helps th-cam.com/video/M_267xI6Nr0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7Y3fumTVvPwupwDs
Thnx I have same opinion, ohd makes tweensteer 6900 more stabile I think.
I hate how saber is purposely vague with their tire specs. I'm a console player, so I can't just go into the files and see for myself. I literally have to equip each tire type and see how it performs.
It’s actually really tricky to look up tire stats in the files which is why the products on SnowRunner data sheets are so nice to have. Thats what I use
@@NProvince it just seems so lazy. I mean, how difficult is it to provide us with the specifications of the tires? Their bad, average, good and excellent ratings don't really provide enough information, and I have even found their own ratings will sometimes contradict the actual numerical values.
To be honest I don’t know that Saber predicted that certain tires would do that. I bet they are kinda stunned by the test results
@@NProvince Maybe. For the longest time, I didn't even know tires in the same category had differing values. For example, when I was first playing the game, I thought all UOD tires were the same, because they all had the same ratings. There was nothing there to tell me, otherwise, unless I noticed a difference while actually driving. If they're not being lazy, then I'm guessing it must be something too deep in the code and they can't just add tire specs to the UI.
Well, New Tire DLC Thingy May Change This... I Often Go with Big Muds Like The Base Game MHS's Oftenly, Might start using the DLC Ones but dont think they are better in the most after testing.
May change this, for right now there just needs to be much more information on thorough looks at these tires compared to the ones touched on here.
Hey, I can't find that chart with widthness and softness anywhere else, could you link it?
It’s on maprunner website under “resources” then to “SnowRunner data spreadsheet”
@@NProvince Ooooh that, thank you!
Incredible timing lol.
Don’t think the old tires are just irrelevant yet. So far testing hasn’t confirmed the JATs being the best in every category other than MSH
I like your videos❤
Than you
Oh, no luck with releasing that material right before Tire DLC…😅
This information is actually still relevant and the mud running tips video as well. The new tire video is on my page and essentially doesn’t rule out these tires at all.
@@NProvince yes, but there is always human curiosity 😅 it would be nice to see 3rd time with every truck you've checked and see how the new tires compare to old ones. But still, thank you for that info! 😃
Not really sure what you mean. I’ve made 3 videos so far. If you’re meaning to check every truck in the game; I don’t know a TH-camr who would spend 10 hours on a video to run every single truck in the game through tires and show each trial as a edited video. I think the evidence is already in about tires from 3 videos hundreds of hours and also other testers on this same thing. Glad you enjoyed the video :)
@@NProvince Nah, sorry no, I didn't mean to run it with all even with taygas that you have already used. But still, the evidence is there - I get it. But I'm still unsure if old tires are always better for trucks. TaygaB and Mack that I use seem to benefit from new tires. Plus for users who doesn't see real numbers, they see average/excellent/excellent rating with new tires. Old mud tires were poor/excellent/exelent, so it is clear for normal users to always use DLC tires.
I see what you mean. So I believe on the video I kinda broke it down to a blanket statement. The new JATs are a good option. The narrow tires and old tires that were great are still up top, but in terms of the need to stay up with balance and not sinking the JATs are really good for this especially the doubles. I hope that kinda answers your question
Well, these results sure are confusing. With 1x metal beams, the MHS 2 are better than the TMHS 1, but are slightly worse than the OHD 1 on the Voron Grad. The thing is, if we use the time on the Tayga 6436, the MHS 2 are better than the OHD 1, which is confusing. Are they better or are they worse? And with 2x metal beams, the MHS 2 have no chance againts the TMHS 1, even tho they are better with only 1x metal beams. As for the OHD 1, again, it is vastly diferent from truck to truck. On the Voron Grad, the OHD 1 didnt even make it, but on the Tayga 6436 they were the best ones. Conducting my own test using the container delivery challenge in Taymyr, the OHD 1 we behind the MHS 2, but so were the TMHS 1 (I used the same route for both, including dirt and a little bit of mud, with 1 cargo container on sideboard bed as cargo) so my pick would be the MHS 2. This video left me more confused than clarified honestly, because the results very so much from truck to truck and cargo amount. Overall it seems like the MH2 are the best but the TMHS 1 are better for pulling heavy loads, and even tho the OHD 1 got a better time, on some trucks they get DNF and per my experience I got stuck in Island Lake pulling an unloaded sideboard semi trailer using the OHD 1. So in conclusion, I wont use the OHD 1 but rather the MH2 for no/"light" loads and the TMHS for heavy loads. Sorry this is so long lol
Tires characteristics in the name: Tires and Cargo Mod
I dont use mods actually :)
Yesss first here i been waiting for this one
For me nowadays THMS is somewhat meh. Yeah, I know it's blasphemy, because that tire was with ous from Spintires, so the very beginning, but while in Spintires it was a God, here it's a slow floaty boi. Sure I can get trough everything, but I cant put it in a higher gear, because it's just spins and wont go trough the mud and the road efficiency is low so you cant really push it. At least OHD1 and OHS2 you have moments when you can put it into high gear or even auto amd that's why it's been a while since I used the Tayga. Good truck, but a tad bit monotone for me
Even with these new tire sets that just hit the game, I wouldn’t be surprised if the OHD1 and OHS2 still performed better or as good as the new tires. Hoping they do. Yea the TMHS are really just floatations that crawl through at a low speed.
I really just wish the game gave us more information. Show me the numbers right on the screen instead of excellent and good etc. show me the horse power of an engine, weight, gal/m rating like mpg, so I can really compare things.
I doubt those things would ever be available. This is why I really like showing all these things to viewers
ya. I doubt it too. Shame tho, can’t imagine it would be that difficult and would help people make decisions.
ohd3 for stability car
OHD1s are the same width therefore same stability
Ill tell u jow they work. The programmer puts in a value and that determines there worth
Thats actually not true based upon testing from 2021 and on
I think the best tires are mud MSHIII but only the biggest and very wide,more stability and grip.😅
MSH 3 are the same width as the MSH2 and testing has shown the MSH2 being better
I’m surprised the game doesn’t go into gear ratios to run different tire sizes.
There are torque curves which I do talk about in other videos, but not ratios for tires sizes
Hmm... I've been just using what looks cool. Except for highway tires, who uses those? I feel bad for the person who spent hours designing and texturing those knowing nobody's going to use them.
you are pretty much forced to use em at the start lol
ohs2 rules))
They just did very well during my on stream tests
People who still use tmhs tires after they got nerfed, either dont understand anything about the game or really like to go through deep mud with 0,0002km/h
Some folks like to float on top of mud and I can understand than, but a few seconds really isn’t such a big deal
I can tell you're braindead. How does them being nerfed equate to not understanding anything about the game.
I wasn't expecting this to be a breakdown of someone else's video. Disappointed pretty much. But I agree with all you said.
I already have my own video showing all these things which took hundreds of hours to conclude. I don’t think I need to do that one more time to prove it, which is why I looked for other data from other testers. Glad you agree :)
This game is as arcade as it gets. There is a huge misconception, that this is a simulator, probably because most people have never driver off road IRL. Those Tayga tires would dominate all other tires in the game, aside from the tractor style mud tires with the real deep groves / aggressive patterns. Instead you get ridiculous stuff like the P16 tires having more dirt and mud traction than the Tayga tires.
i really dont like when dev make stuff like this. for normal players that may or may not look up tips
oh look I finally unlocked the mud tires it should be easier now
nope its actually worse you should stick with offroad tires they are better than mud tires in mud.
really makes no sense for the average player either have mud tires and be better than offroad tires in mud or dont
If you watch my video on the JAT tire review, I kinda try and hammer down the use case for wide mud tires and why off-road tires are winning more under certain circumstances. It’s similar to explanation on this video, but shows more testing with head addons. I definitely know what you mean though. It can be confusing. This is why I wanted to make a series of videos like this starting with MudRunnin tips, this video and the JAT tire review
Off course, The Best are those on pacifics, but that we can NOT. Have them, so... Which one? Well, depends, The devs make The game to be a challenge, so everything you do in game is a challenge, from what you choose for The task /contract /whatever you do, sooo.. Depends of terrain, where you go? Deep Mud? Kirovetz double mud tires are The Best, they can go through ice of amur easy.. Than Zikz 605r tires
But Grip is favor by weight, more weight more grip, so all drive through deep mud is a matematic formula which include weight, tires number (2 for mud, 1,9 for off road), tire dimension, engine torque, numbers of tires wich pull The vehicle(chevy scout vs tatarin)
Awd on, diff lock on, if The tires are double like pacific, they even add more stability, check voron d,
Well, some tires are... Special, like tayga, are perfect for don s5, where you havea mix of mud, roots, rocks, absorb some how shocks...
Thats why when you drive on asphalt, they don't ofer stability, so That s why i prefer for tayga on easy maps MHS 2 or 3...i think.. 😊
Than are TATRA. Tires, one of The Best for mud, have 3,5, zikz 605r 2,7 but zikz 605r are bigger in diametre, so...
For off road, like rocks or dirt, i would go for MHS 3 or 4, like CAT from yukon have...
So depends where you go... 😊
I think you're brining in information that I didn't wish to get into. Simply put, the video was based on truck tires that are generally found on most vehicles in the game. Alot of your examples are custom tires and/or super heavy weight tires which was left out strategically because in those cases they pretty much only have those super heavy tire options to use and/or a custom tire and we all know the stats for them. AThis was also make to reference my first video mentioned. Super heavy/custom tires are by a case by case evaluation. Covering every single tire would take quite some time