I think the challenge with these add-ons is that they are priced higher than the platform itself. And so you get the entire designer, which we have come to love, and then are asked to pay a lot more for adding a feature like multi-lang, optimize, analytics....for small businesses that were sold the idea of a stress-free option to WordPress or just more creativity than other major players, it gets begins to feel less friendly when new features are new line items in the invoice and their pricing goes beyond those others
@@pixelgeek probably, but that's the conflict....freelancers aren't asking for "AI multi-variate testing" tools. That's a mouthful just saying it out loud. Freelancers are asking for those little things: cms sliders, for example....just stuff that is more rooted to the website build and not the new hot tech terms and stuff that doesn't instantly screen, my small business clients will totally love this new feature
@@webguymike"Freelancers are asking for those little things" isn't that what the team has been doing with their tiny but mighty updates? It's why i put that list in the video. They have been consistently shipping new features. What other features that are "rooted to the website build" do you wish Webflow had?
@@pixelgeek my bad for discounting your list. That’s true stuff. When you ask me and my freelancer buddies what we really want, for me it’s speed. You must have noticed the publishing changes speed between Framer and Webflow when you tried it. I don’t have much to compare, 100 Webflow sites vs 3 Framer, but I found Framer just uploads changes in a flash and there’s no waiting. So that would be my main desire. Next is just improving limits on the core tools that make it limiting. CMS nesting or background videos with larger file size. And I really like how Webstudio is tackling the CSS classing issue for when you want to make updates in your secondary classes, more flexible….those types of things that slow us down as builders.
As an agency thats hosting over 60 sites in our workspace we can do just fine with the baseline version of Webflow, there's lots of alternatives to the add-ons. We take a markup on the Webflow hosting we sell to our clients, and therefor want to keep out costs as low as possible. The only add-on I really miss is Localization. Weglot works ok, but it adds a extra layer of bad UX, particulary for the clients. The main reason we dont use the Localization add-on is not the price of the add-on (although its expensive), it's because the client will have to buy full Designer licences to do even minor text edits.
Can we talk about how they still dont let you nest more than one collection on a page or show more than 5 items in a nested collection! I wish they'd fix that huge issue before working on anything else
@@mattward7168 they have mention that is something they are working on. But I hear you. After Framer announced their CMS nesting capabilities, it's a no brainer that Webflow needs to step up.
They did mention this during the keynote at the Conf. But they have no concrete details about it yet. I believe they needed to say a little something about it because of Framer's fall release video.
I don't want a CMS slider as the basic slider sucks, it's not draggable, has no progress bar, the arrows are difficult to customise. We have so many great resources to build slider. The users that have been yapping about this aren't new to Webflow, they had time to learn Swiper. Let's not try to be this incompetent please. I'm more concerned about all the other bugs, memberships not working, localisation having bugs. They keep announcing these huge features and cannot fix them within a year. They're not leaving freelancers behind, they're gonna make enterprises loose money, it's just a matter of time. Page branching sucks, build mode doesn't even allow you to add in components, what the hell are they doing over there? Super disappointed
@@by_gato for what you're getting with that feature, I think it's worth the price. If I'm able to sell a monthly retainer to my clients and package Webflow Optimize in, I can be sleeping while the AI does the a/b testing for me.
yup. it seems like a lot, but i my opinion, if you can find a client who is willing to pay that, it'll be worth it for them for what they get out of that feature.
Webflow is still an excellent product but its need to satisfy the demands of private equity investors has detracted from its founding principle of 'democratising the web'. I miss Vlad.
@@pixelgeek Wow, that’s a deep discussion-probably too much for a TH-cam comment! But as an older, ex-big-agency guy, here’s my take: Webflow seems to be prioritising its Enterprise clients, likely surveying them to determine where resources will deliver the most value. Each Enterprise customer often brings in the equivalent revenue of hundreds or even thousands of freelancer accounts-and they’re less likely to churn. Enterprise clients don’t particularly value smaller quality-of-life updates (e.g., CMS sliders, nested collections) because they can easily address these with in-house coding resources or through their Webflow Enterprise relationship. Instead, they’re focused on big-picture needs, like boosting engagement, reducing dependency on platforms like Google (Analyse), scaling, and ongoing development (branching). Investing in Enterprise drives shareholder value. However, 'democratising the web' is a different mission altogether. It’s about empowering freelancers, small design agencies, and those in less-developed regions to build online without relying on coding skills. For them, the top priority is the ability to create robust web experiences without needing extensive technical resources. To fully deliver on this mission, Webflow would need to keep investing in quality-of-life improvements, expand functionality like logic, and build out server-side infrastructure to support safe API management. But the ROI on these features is relatively low, with growth slowing and these users often requiring more support relative to their returns.
do you really measure webflow's orientation by length of list od features??? tiny are called tiny because they can't compare with regular improvements, that's why there's so many of them. also, how are this tiny improvements even selected? there's a huge list of wanted improvements and features that are waiting for years, and none of them are made! one of the best illustration is now famous CMS slider. there was NO improvement of it in last years. that's just one illustration of the situation. so this video is an attempt of damage control, nobody is convinced in your claims. we are living with webflow and it problems every day. pricing is also hilarious. but that's not a topic now.
most shitty e-commerce for the highest price, most limited CMS among competitors, also for the highest price, Logic and Memberships not just abandoned in a sense that no new updates will come, but it is simply left there full of bugs no one is fixing.
Comparing tiny updates to the massive feature updates from enterprise just by list length shows you are missing the point. You just brush over the fact that designers want the enterprise features too and instead say " oh but look it the length of this list compared to that list". It's the fact that Webflow starts pricing you for eery single little BASIC "add on" that should be a core feature, that is pissing people off. Sure maybe in the US these prices are fine but I've been a certified partner for 5+ years and had a national bank laugh in my face when I pitched enterprise and told them webflow's pricing.
The title is misleading, and you've spent the entire video promoting Webflow instead of genuinely sympathizing with freelancers as the title implied u might do. 👋
I've been doing full freelancing for just a little over a year. So I could have missed the mark on this video. Would love to know how I could have done better :)
I think the challenge with these add-ons is that they are priced higher than the platform itself. And so you get the entire designer, which we have come to love, and then are asked to pay a lot more for adding a feature like multi-lang, optimize, analytics....for small businesses that were sold the idea of a stress-free option to WordPress or just more creativity than other major players, it gets begins to feel less friendly when new features are new line items in the invoice and their pricing goes beyond those others
I hear you. But wouldn't you still have to pay more on top of WordPress hosting for things like AI powered multi-variate testing?
@@pixelgeek probably, but that's the conflict....freelancers aren't asking for "AI multi-variate testing" tools. That's a mouthful just saying it out loud. Freelancers are asking for those little things: cms sliders, for example....just stuff that is more rooted to the website build and not the new hot tech terms and stuff that doesn't instantly screen, my small business clients will totally love this new feature
@@webguymike"Freelancers are asking for those little things" isn't that what the team has been doing with their tiny but mighty updates? It's why i put that list in the video. They have been consistently shipping new features. What other features that are "rooted to the website build" do you wish Webflow had?
@@pixelgeek my bad for discounting your list. That’s true stuff. When you ask me and my freelancer buddies what we really want, for me it’s speed. You must have noticed the publishing changes speed between Framer and Webflow when you tried it. I don’t have much to compare, 100 Webflow sites vs 3 Framer, but I found Framer just uploads changes in a flash and there’s no waiting. So that would be my main desire. Next is just improving limits on the core tools that make it limiting. CMS nesting or background videos with larger file size. And I really like how Webstudio is tackling the CSS classing issue for when you want to make updates in your secondary classes, more flexible….those types of things that slow us down as builders.
As an agency thats hosting over 60 sites in our workspace we can do just fine with the baseline version of Webflow, there's lots of alternatives to the add-ons. We take a markup on the Webflow hosting we sell to our clients, and therefor want to keep out costs as low as possible. The only add-on I really miss is Localization. Weglot works ok, but it adds a extra layer of bad UX, particulary for the clients.
The main reason we dont use the Localization add-on is not the price of the add-on (although its expensive), it's because the client will have to buy full Designer licences to do even minor text edits.
Can we talk about how they still dont let you nest more than one collection on a page or show more than 5 items in a nested collection! I wish they'd fix that huge issue before working on anything else
@@mattward7168 they have mention that is something they are working on. But I hear you. After Framer announced their CMS nesting capabilities, it's a no brainer that Webflow needs to step up.
Theres no such limit in Divhunt :D Try it, it will be worth it
They did mention this during the keynote at the Conf. But they have no concrete details about it yet. I believe they needed to say a little something about it because of Framer's fall release video.
I don't want a CMS slider as the basic slider sucks, it's not draggable, has no progress bar, the arrows are difficult to customise. We have so many great resources to build slider. The users that have been yapping about this aren't new to Webflow, they had time to learn Swiper. Let's not try to be this incompetent please. I'm more concerned about all the other bugs, memberships not working, localisation having bugs. They keep announcing these huge features and cannot fix them within a year. They're not leaving freelancers behind, they're gonna make enterprises loose money, it's just a matter of time. Page branching sucks, build mode doesn't even allow you to add in components, what the hell are they doing over there? Super disappointed
Will be cool if they will upgrade the basic plan. Like 10 cms collections and (something like) 100 cms items. Just for small websites.
agreed
I get you, but what about Optimize pricing? I only see the option of $379 per month.
@@by_gato for what you're getting with that feature, I think it's worth the price. If I'm able to sell a monthly retainer to my clients and package Webflow Optimize in, I can be sleeping while the AI does the a/b testing for me.
yup. it seems like a lot, but i my opinion, if you can find a client who is willing to pay that, it'll be worth it for them for what they get out of that feature.
Webflow is still an excellent product but its need to satisfy the demands of private equity investors has detracted from its founding principle of 'democratising the web'. I miss Vlad.
Would love to learn more on how you think Webflow keep to it's founding principle.
@@pixelgeek Wow, that’s a deep discussion-probably too much for a TH-cam comment! But as an older, ex-big-agency guy, here’s my take:
Webflow seems to be prioritising its Enterprise clients, likely surveying them to determine where resources will deliver the most value. Each Enterprise customer often brings in the equivalent revenue of hundreds or even thousands of freelancer accounts-and they’re less likely to churn. Enterprise clients don’t particularly value smaller quality-of-life updates (e.g., CMS sliders, nested collections) because they can easily address these with in-house coding resources or through their Webflow Enterprise relationship. Instead, they’re focused on big-picture needs, like boosting engagement, reducing dependency on platforms like Google (Analyse), scaling, and ongoing development (branching). Investing in Enterprise drives shareholder value.
However, 'democratising the web' is a different mission altogether. It’s about empowering freelancers, small design agencies, and those in less-developed regions to build online without relying on coding skills. For them, the top priority is the ability to create robust web experiences without needing extensive technical resources. To fully deliver on this mission, Webflow would need to keep investing in quality-of-life improvements, expand functionality like logic, and build out server-side infrastructure to support safe API management. But the ROI on these features is relatively low, with growth slowing and these users often requiring more support relative to their returns.
do you really measure webflow's orientation by length of list od features??? tiny are called tiny because they can't compare with regular improvements, that's why there's so many of them. also, how are this tiny improvements even selected? there's a huge list of wanted improvements and features that are waiting for years, and none of them are made! one of the best illustration is now famous CMS slider. there was NO improvement of it in last years. that's just one illustration of the situation. so this video is an attempt of damage control, nobody is convinced in your claims. we are living with webflow and it problems every day. pricing is also hilarious. but that's not a topic now.
most shitty e-commerce for the highest price, most limited CMS among competitors, also for the highest price, Logic and Memberships not just abandoned in a sense that no new updates will come, but it is simply left there full of bugs no one is fixing.
Comparing tiny updates to the massive feature updates from enterprise just by list length shows you are missing the point. You just brush over the fact that designers want the enterprise features too and instead say " oh but look it the length of this list compared to that list". It's the fact that Webflow starts pricing you for eery single little BASIC "add on" that should be a core feature, that is pissing people off.
Sure maybe in the US these prices are fine but I've been a certified partner for 5+ years and had a national bank laugh in my face when I pitched enterprise and told them webflow's pricing.
What is a basic little add-on that you wish wasn't core feature?
The title is misleading, and you've spent the entire video promoting Webflow instead of genuinely sympathizing with freelancers as the title implied u might do.
👋
I've been doing full freelancing for just a little over a year. So I could have missed the mark on this video. Would love to know how I could have done better :)