FASTEST I Have Ever Pushed a CNC MACHINE | HELLER HF 5500
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 พ.ค. 2024
- Titan takes MONSTER cuts on our Heller HF5500
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0:37 1650 IPM HELLER HF5500
1:28 Why Is It Chirping?
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5:12 How Powerful is a Heller Machine?
8:42 Cool Features on Heller Machines
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The amount of productivity possible with these high end machines is extremely impressive to say the least. Making the modern world modern. Very cool.
that was so satisfying to look at a heller going super fast
MRR = 278 Cubic Inches Per Minute of Material Removal
With a .750 Dia Tool
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thank you for the education!
I'm currently in school for my precision mechanic Bachelor professional (German Meister) and my class (3 people) decided that the approach of standardizing tooling on each machine so we can work on all machines without any problems is the way to go!
we even tested the surface finishes and capability of the tools so we know how to build our final piece perfectly to spec
These new heller machines are crazy powerful, we hear these cuts throughout the shop.
That is some good toolpathing. During my time at Cincinnati I got to see the DARPA funded linear motor axis & 40,000RPM spindle run. .125 depth of cut @ 2000ipm, .010" wall thickness. It took them 20 minutes to get the hydrodynamic spindle warmed up to run at cutting speed. What was determined is there is virtually no limit to RPM/SFPM as long as chip load is .007" per flute in Aluminum. Crazy fast. The .010" ribs never flexed as the cutter was already gone by the time the material reacted. The challenge was dealing with accel/decel to avoid weird harmonics. Cool stuff guys!
YASSSSS GREATNESS!!!!! Love these machines!
I've been in a tool and die maker position for 8 &1/2 years, my coworkers at the factory I'm with still think I'm crazy when I put our machines at some of the feeds and speeds you recommend. Slowly bringing the old-school to the modern age 🤙
tool and die maker position sounds fun, personally I prefer missionary but I'll give it a try
Perfect!! Nice to see our machines running at full speed
Titan,
My first job was when I was a junior in high school in 1969. I worked as a detail draftsman for a machine design company. The company designed the machines used to mass produce finished parts for the automotive industry. The machines were designed so that a raw casting was loaded at one end of the machine and a finished part came out the other. The machines were for engine blocks, transmission housings, differenttial housings, and other parts. Each machine could produce only one type of part, say a 350 cubic inch V-8. You needed a completely different machine for a 455 cubic inch V-8 or an in-line 4 cylinder block.
These machines might end up being hundreds of feet long. Each thread had it's own drill and tap. And each drill and tap had it's own motor. Certain operations such as cylinder boring had it's own station where the engine block would be moved into position, followed by pneumatic cylinders clamping the part into position. The boring and honing would then be done. The part would then move to the next station, and this process continued until the finished product came out at the end of the machine.
Its mind blowing that it is possible to do all of this on one or two machines. Instead of a machines that is a 100 feet long, with say 20 stations, and hundreds of individual tools for each operation, today you can produce the same product on maybe one or two machines. It is also possible to machine an engine block and transmission housing on the same machine.
I am truly amazed at the changes in machining over the past 50 years. Gone are the days of brute force. The operator today, needs to be very well trained and needs far more knowledge of the whole machining process.
Kudos to you and your staff for helping to advance manufacturing in the US.
Bob
Thank you Bob,
Titan
Nice to hear about your experience and the motor machining set up. I have been a tool maker for over 60 years and man have things changed. I started my own shop 50 years ago. Now it’s all CNC and my sons own it. We ran across a similar situation. We made short ( 5 to 10 K) runs on sprinkler frames for a company till they could get a rotary transfer machine built ( almost a year) . Your cycle time was what the longest time was on a station. Complicated parts in seconds. But hey you have to have HUGE volumes. It nice that Titan can get parts like this. Sure makes money but look at what it costs to do. I could have never afforded a machine like that. It becomes like ….which came first the chicken or the egg. You can’t get contracts like that if you don’t have the machine. Yet you can’t afford the machine unless you get the contracts. All that aside I’m thrilled that Titan is educating and promoting our industry. Amazing to see how he’s advanced from the Haas days to Doosan and now machines like Heller and others. Big thumbs up Titan. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a tiny bit jealous.
Titan, You are simply THE BEAST!
BOOM BABY!!!
It still excites me every time I see HF machines cutting at high speeds - FAST!
Man, I’m so jealous of all these new machines! My shop looks like the Museum of Ancient CNC. It’s getting hard to find guys who can program in Roman numerals these days.
Turning it up to eleven 💪🔥
Man...When I did my apprenticeship on a Haas this feed was pretty much the rapid traverse of the machine...insane
The rapid on this machine is 2559 IPM.
@@tonymoll6265 wow that's crazy! About 1 meter per sec
That was a great video. Heller machines never cease to amaze
Great video team! Keep them coming. Love to see the speeds and massive cuts.
You love it Titan don't you. So much passion for machining. These video's are awesome to watch.
I stood in front of that machine yesterday with Titan and Barry. MONSTER machine and a perfect fit for Titan and his team. It was also a pleasure working with Donnie on the Tornos GT32.
Thanks for your help Brother😁
So cool to see the increase in production when you change to a better more modern machine. I recognize that part from your much earlier videos Titan, so glad to see the progress!
Absolutely love your enthusiasm Titan! Your vision and vibes are contagious! BOOM!
Love these types of videos! Heller machines are top notch!!
Lets go!👊
Dang this video got me hyped for the day! That light indicating the program completion rate is so dope!
Right! It's the little things that can make a big deal!
Love it,the fact that he never wastes time worning people like put safety on stay away from the machine and don't try it at home etc. Just love it! !!Booooommmm
Love how you travel the world find the best in the business put them in your shop and boom the hell out of them. Been out of a machine shop for about four years and planning on taking some programming classes to get my foot back in the door. Roofing pays well but the body can only take so much for so long. Much love from California Titan.
I love seeing the top tier machines. Thanks for showing off!! Speaking of top tier machines Please consider picking up a Datron Neo or MX Cube. 40-60K spindles, 1100-1575 IPM. And unlike many lower end machine tool builders claims the Daltron's actual gets up to the claimed IPM with mind boggling smoothness. Also their proprietary vacuum system is like magic. As always thanks for the great content brother!
it's really awesome to see what those new cnc mills are capable of especially when you are used to an old maho mill from the 1960 wich still gets it's job done and is a really solid mill
Love the longer videos
Damn Titan! Mad respect. Visionar.
I’m impressed that is was a 30 minute part 😮
HELLER YEAH!!!!!
I hear ya on the feed rates in the pockets. S curve for ramp up and down speed moves kills it.
Can't wait for 2nd OP =)
Love those beautiful non-coolant cuts!
The sound of those chips from the first roughing cycle gave me chills.
I love that you dont yell and exaggerate the whole video. Just nice machining and explaining👌🏼
Just like Sonic the Hedgehog. "Gotta go fast."
WOW, JUST INCREDIBLE!!
As a long time machinist and now a programmer, I LOVE this channel!!
What an honor it must be to work for you Titan!
Take it from me, its an honor 😉
That machine is BADASS! And I thought the Ibarmia was awesome..
love the vids keep it up..
These machines blow my mind as an automation engineer lol the precision, consistency and speed is beyond impressive... Im sure your guys are constantly learning how to improve on old and new machines along with materials, machining parts and software. Its hard to keep up with technology at times haha
You are real boss of cnc machining.
Fantastic work !!!
And here I was optimizing parts for our 3-axis Hartford. Going ~15k mmpm, and it impressed and surprised my colleague. While I was like "well the machine can't go any faster so I hit the limit at 15k in the straights for this part".
Seeing this part machining, I now know how he felt ;)
And I took the time to explain to him how I did it, in a calm and hopefully informative manner. Spread the knowledge is always key!
I love this. The mentality of learning to push your machines to their capabilities, and then transferring that knowledge. It's what this industry needs more of. Good job Anders!
@@davecox8922 Thanks for the reply Dave, I appreciate it!
Awesome Machine. What do You think about the Siemens Control compared to the Fanuc on the DN machines. Nice video
Can be say "overclock" the CNC toolpath. Awesome, pls one more video.
Great Job Titan
Great video
How about the pressision in holes? To insert beatona pressfit
Gettin after it 💪💪💪
That's awesome 👍 to the fullest man you do good education vids👍
My shop doesn't have shrink fit holders I'm assuming we could still run it decently fast in a er40 collect perhaps?
What version of MasterCam do you use? I still have a copy of 8, 9 & X that I like to use.
Smooth silent aggression. Yes!
Can you show us the feed and speed and AP AE you took for the finishing pass ? i dont understand this part of the video...
Also, how you choose those feed and speed ? from trials ? any tips to find reliable s&f for finishing ?
Lastly, what is this toolholder ?
Thanks
Greeting from france
Sounds like you need even bigger tooling. Bigger than 1 inch diameter so you can use all that available torque and power and rip the chips off the billet even faster. Do they even make toolholders for this machine that take bigger than a 1 inch shank?
I'm a retired toolmaker. Watching this, I'm waiting for the end mill to go boom. Amazing. Do you to sharpen the smaller end mills or do you just toss them when they get dull?
Hey what is a good budget or computer for running the software vcarve
how will you take out the material from the other side?
wow !
Ooooh man! Great Job Guys, Boom!
What’s up Enrique🤙
That's awesome, definitely makes the price of the machine more than worth it !
Heck yeah, let that dawg eat!!!!!
Hi guys this machine is wonderfull y love your work. I am machinist too here in mexico and i wish to work with you
You are amazing
O man. 1650 IPM Killin it.
Our machines would slow down circular interpolating and on contours until we return high accuracy mode off then it would stay full speed!Brian Hayes!
Which is the maximum acceleration of your linear axes?
Hell, and I was impressed at what our Muratec MD120's are capable of haha. This thing as a total beast! Granted, I work in powdered metal secondaries, similar concepts different applications, so something like this Heller probably wouldn't be practical but damn wouldn't it be fun to play with.
An absolute delight to watch. What was the total programme cycle time for this part?
How long did you machine this part?
What a beast! That machine is awesome!
That milling feed is faster than my FMAX xDD
How long was the run time for this part?
Hey Titan, on a big complex part like this, why don't y'all cast it to near shape and size so that there isn't so much to machine?
Isn't that more sensible than machining from a huge block?
Thanks! 😊
Hey guys. Build an adapter for the camera lense and make a slit in it which allows high preassure air to blast over the objective. This will blow away chips and coolant bevore it even hits the camera. Like this you can make much better takes. Especially the takes from beneath the parts wher all the chips and coolant fall.
Do you get much taper in the part going that fast?
Aren’t most gear box housings for cars casted then post machined for the critical fits? Is this a developmental part?
How long did it take you to program this part?
Titans of cnc please can you make the seperate video about cnc machines for watchmaking? For micro parts, details with micron tolerance 🙏
From my experience it is always higher MRR if you do bigger radial stepover because from 20 to 10% radial stepover you don't increase double fpt, and even if you do, machine can not reach that feed in small corners and it cuts more air then material sometimes.
Hope that kennametal has indexable endmills for aluminium in the future
Their 5720 series is what I use for aluminum. They go down to 1" or 25mm
Would’ve liked to have seen the threading and o ring grove cut along with the back side of the part
at this speed how often is tooling changed?
What was your L_TOL on the rough out? Jack it up a thou at a time and see how close you get to command feed rate 🤪, you have .030 stock why not
What a monster!!!!
last week I ran 5000mm/min on my NC-Lathe with a 12mm/3blades endmill no rough cuts, just the final cut - worked perfect
This is 8 times faster
@@MF175mp I know, but the rotationlimt of my lathes milling tool is 4000rpm and my final part was an elypse 2x4mm made from a really wobbly plastic.
What I say is, the idea was the same, the machine sets the limit
Hello. I have a HAAS VF3 1999 machine, what’s the fastest I can theoretically machine with a 10mm diameter end mill a material like AISI 4140 doing a pocket ?, i’ve always thought that we don’t go as fast as we can, and after seeing your machines I think more about it 😂
Is it possible to get that 3D model for practice?
Thats impressive, we use Coromill Plura endmills but nothing like this!
Just now I'm watching the Heller machine it was amazing then mazak and makino
Titan Team: Can you guys do a video on this part and how you relieve stress to stay in specification. That looks like a large enough block to cause a bit of warping while roughing. Seeing the amount of material left on the back side, how do you deal with it so there is only preverbally two opps. Top bottom.?
Yes
with tight tolerances it would be roughing stress reliefing with heat treatment and then finishing. This is how we did it with alumium moulds for pet bottles. The parting line had to be flat.
@@bouny01 Is that heat treat to relieve stress or are you hardening the material then finishing it?
@@3073Sean as far as I know to relief stress, it "softens" the part so the crystal can build new or something like that, hard to explain in a different language :')
@@3073Sean to relieve stress . It warped after machining
There is massive push back in my industry over the use of CNC machines. We often get heavily blasted for using a very basic CNC in comparison to what is available. The precision rifle industry is very stuck in the 70s when it comes to how barrels should be cut
One day im gonna work for Titan.
Question for you guys. When you program your mills for these high feed rates, do you have to change the accuracy settings/ look ahead settings so that the machine can actually achieve those feed rates when you are roughing? I program an NHX 5000 at work and I have found that in order to achieve high feed rates I have to change the accuracy settings. But then I have to turn them back up in order to have accurate profiles for my finish passes. Just wondering if you have any experience with this. Keep up the good work. You guys rock!
Hey Bryan, yeah we do! The key is to ROUGH with your accuracy settings below your stock allowance. So if i am leaving .020 for finish, my roughing accuracy will be like .015.
Try SGS APR cutter, best for aluminium roughing
I think you guys should get and try the mr1 mill I keep seeing adds for in your videos and see what it can really do
If you know that in a lot of spots you won’t get up to 1650 does it make sense to up the radial some and drop the feed to get the percentage of the motion at the programmed feed rate up?
Same thing I was thinking, if you are limited by acceleration it would seem more worthwhile to feed slower but dig deeper. A less aggressive 300 IPM with 5 times the radial might have a higher overall MRR and shorter cycle just because the machine is actually consistently reaching the feed and thus desired MRR instead of losing so much of it to acceleration/deceleration. What exactly is the benefit of astronomical feeds for roughing if you are having to drop the radial to a shave and make dozens of passes that barely reach the actual set feed because of limited acceleration?
Also if this EV company is serious, they should really think about making castings for their motor housings, milling them out of solid block is way too expensive and time consuming when just finishing out a rough casting would be so much faster and more cost efficient. I mean milling it out of a block like that is totally fine for prototyping and maybe that is what this is, but this process is far from ideal if they are intending to use it for actual mass production.
amazing
That is crazy speed and feed. I don't even run my machine at 1650mm per minute
But does Tesla use any big CNC Parts like that? I mean on that large number they are working it they need lots of cnc machines producing these parts. And I'm a cnc mechanic as well to say that. But on Index G200 machines :)