I have Luba on three acres it easily takes care of it all. some sections I have it doing twice a week and I would say it's resting on its base 80% of the time still. I have had Luba out 750 ft from the base station no problem! tomorrow I'm just going to start driving it down the street and see how far it goes because I'm curious now 😂
That's awesome! It really has surpassed our expectations so far. Curious to hear how far away you can get before you lose signal. Thanks for the comment! Love your content btw. -M
Yea grass doesn’t need to be mowed every day so if you section it out to where it’s mowing a section every three days it should do awesome I dunno if your mowing the entire three acres in one session
Does the RTK need to be line-of-site to the mower at all times? I’m rural and only internet is via cell, no WiFi. Is that a deal breaker? I suppose I could get a hotspot device if really necessary. From where I would mount the RTK, my max distance to mower would be 700’. This is more less the center of my rectangular plot. The total lawn grass area to mow is about 3 ac. The rest is 2 large hay fields that wouldn’t be mowed by this device. I really like this one because I have steep hills and it has the best specs for that.
@@modquad18 Wi-Fi is very important part of luba If you don't have it you're going to have considerable difficulty. You can use a phone hotspot but you won't have any remote access to luba once it's out of Bluetooth range of your phone with no Wi-Fi. Also keep in mind the max size is 1.25 acres Luba will not map out more than that. That being said RTK does not need line of sight It only needs clear view of the sky I've had my mower 700 ft away from the RTK and it worked but my antenna is on the roof of the house. But not having a Wi-Fi connection is going to make your luba experience more difficult.
@@modquad18 I'm in same situation. Rural. But I'm using Starlink and it's awesome. I did have to mess with the antenna placement. You want complete sky view. If your AC power is close to the house, it would be good to have the antenna mounted on an eave, with no tree or roof obstruction. With clear sky, it's not necessary to have line-of-sight. My Luba stays connected around the "O" shaped lot (meaning, lawn completely surrounds all side of the home).
Thanks guys, for the review. I have been struggling over the thoughts of purchasing a robotic mower. I hire a lawn service to care for my lawn. I'm not sure which has more stress: fighting the weather, heat and cost doing it myself -or depending on a business that is here one day and out of business the next season. I'm an IT man by trade and very I'm difficult and demanding when it comes to expecting the best from technology. I mean seriously! We're in 2023 and we still can't get a 100% robotic lawnmower. Yet, Space-X can return a rocket back to its landing pad! Thanks again for the great information.
Just brought Mammotion Luba to mow a remote (parents) garden, have been using Bosch Indego, whilst it is ok, have cut the perimeter wire on a few occasions and it stopping at a slightest bump and it's inability to restrict areas without wire has caused many issues. Your reviews and others have given me confidence in this has been the right choice.
Great Video- I bought a Luba and I would point out that you can define any angle cut in 10deg increments. So diamond cut and everything in-between. Now I don't own a 450 EPOS but for me the 4WD was clutch. I have hills and ruts in my yard so I can say with confidence that it wouldn't do the job. Maybe their 435 might do the job but it is really expensive. Luba is out cutting right now for me.
Thanks for the call out! It sounds like you got the right mower for the job, which is exactly what we hope to help accomplish. Would LOVE to see a 435 come equipped with EPOS. Maybe some day... -M
@@AutmowRoboticMowing Yes, the 435 and the Ambrogio are the only other two 4wd mowers that I'm aware of but only the Luba is an RTK (EPOS) mower. It really is the best mower on the market for anything that isn't a nice flat yard.
The future looks exciting! I have my eye on the Yarbo robot as it has interchangeable head units. Initially it has mower, snow blower, and leaf blower head units with other head units teased for the future. I look forward to your review.
White plastic often becomes brittle after months in the sun. What UV protection is in the Luba mower? Also, are there replacement batteries or RTK modules available?
Around here the Husqvarna has 5 year warranty. Only limitation is that it needs to be serviced by the dealer once a year. Theres also the winter holiday for the mower (aka pay money for the dealer for stashing it away in winter). They usually do the servicing and inspections in the winter.
A Very well done and thorough video. I appreciate this ability to translate technical concepts to digestible takeaways for the average Joe. Bravo, Marty and Seth. Keep up the good work.
My RTK is solid blue with issue positioning although it is reading 29 satellites and Mammotion cannot even rectify this problem after 2 weeks, and does not warranty their product and says it is 2 years - BS. This firm should be investigated for non-compliance of their claims and I even believe Amazon has dumped them. We were FOOLS to believe in their hype and it is sad that so many on You Tube still promulgate this firm which in IMHO is selling crap with no service or integrity.
The most important thing is that the RS has an unobstructed view of the sky. We have seen really good signal integrity through houses and trees etc. -M
I have a Luba and love it. 2 things: 1. I’m not sure how much the RTK station actually does. I’ve had it on the other side of my house no where in site of the station and it still does amazing, I’m assuming just direct connection to gps above? 2. Have y’all had trouble with it docking on the charger sometimes? It’ll throw a message about the infrared sensor being dirty sometimes and I have ti clean it off when it’s dusty. I’m very happy with the last update they just rolled out!
One comparison I was hoping you could share: how close can each model cut to a structure like a fence or a curb? Is one a clear advantage over the other?
That's a great idea for a video and we can make sure to show that. A good comparison in the meantime will be to a traditional mower. You will have a few inches of uncut grass against a fence line that will need addressed with a weed eater or other method. -M
It comes in four sizes. I bought the 3000 square meter version since I have around that size. It was about 2700 eur. Not sure how much I can actually map. It only has one disc, so the Luba will cut more on a single drive. I did not want the awd tyres because of risking turn marks and the Luba is missing some of the features that the Navimow has. Also, I have local retailers for the Navimow in case I need repairs.
Tom, interested to hear more about your experience with Luba. The way your comment is worded “when it works” leads me to think it often doesn’t work? I’m considering this mower, so any insights are greatly appreciated!
@Andrew Y I find it needs intervention a little too often at the moment, but there are quite a few updates and it gets better each time. The machine feels very sturdy, like it will last a long time. I'm going to relocate the charger and rtk see if that makes any difference to how reliably it works.
To make a long story short, I have had a 450 ex auto mower for the past five years or so and have absolutely loved the mower itself. Unfortunately my boundary wire keeps being cut by rodents, construction, workers, cable companies, etc.. recently my cable company came out and installed brand, new fiber, chopped up the mower wire and destroyed the entire unit by leaving live wires exposed over the winter. They also spliced some of my broken boundary wire into some other cable lines. Can’t figure out why they would do that. I will be getting a brand new 450 XH epos mower installed tomorrow and I’m so excited to ditch the boundary wire. I will be making a full review video just like I made on my 450 X I’m also super excited to know I’ll be able to cut my grass at a higher height and not having to scalp it any longer there are little to no good reviews of the epos mower in a residential scenario so my video will be one of the first and I am purchasing my mower from autmow Just like I purchased my original mower from them. Now I just have to sue the contractors that destroyed my mower for $$$$$$
Wow! Certainly feel your struggle as we have had to cleanup installs that got just wrecked by people who weren't paying attention. Excited to see your EPOS video! I think you'll love it. -M
@@AutmowRoboticMowing so far I’m living the new mower and am learning how best to divide up my yard where to put transport paths etc. my review video will come out in the next week or 2
Great video. Thanks. We have big areas currently serviced by Husqvarna, Ambrogio, Bosch and Worx, and are looking to switch to wire-free. This and your answers to comments are a huge help.
My RTK is solid blue with issue positioning although it is reading 29 satellites and Mammotion cannot even rectify this problem after 2 weeks, and does not warranty their product and says it is 2 years - BS. This firm should be investigated for non-compliance of their claims and I even believe Amazon has dumped them. We were FOOLS to believe in their hype and it is sad that so many on You Tube still promulgate this firm which in IMHO is selling crap with no service or integrity.
I have two of the wired 450x Automowers covering about 3 acres. Unfortunately the durability has proven not what I expected. Hoping to investigate the Luba option next year.
Interesting question! So there is a fairly minimal use of metals externally for both products. Mammotion's suspension arms are a cast aluminum and the front casters on Husqvarna are exposed metal. Outside of that, external screws and blades would be my next concern. All-in-all, I'd say the Husqvarna has fewer external metal components that would be of a concern.
Question on the RTK. Does it have to have line of sight to the mower or just stay within the distance specs of the unit? Reason for the question is the RTK will not have line of sight on the far side of the house.
Hello Nicole! The Luba performs comparably to most other robotic mowers with edge cutting from what we have seen. I would advise keeping your weed eater. -M
Hi, Excellent content! I have been trying to decide between the Luba 2 10000H and the Husqvarna Automower 450XH EPOS. Have about 1.8 mowable acres of mixed rye, bluegrass and fescue spotted with weeds. The property is a rectangle with three tiers with a gentle slop between each tier. Have a few gardens, maybe 30 evergreen trees, and eight Maples to mow around. Most of the trees are around the edge fo the property and line the driveway. My concerns: 1. The cut quality -- The Luba has 8 blades over a 15 inch swath whereas the Husqvarna has three blades over nine inches and they are somewhat covered by a safety disc. I would think the Luba would deliver a better cut based on blade density. Then again, the Luba is heavier and smashes some of the grass down before mowing. What has been peoples’ experience with cut quality? 2. Maneuverability - The Luba has four independently motored wheels. The Husky has two independently motored wheels and two coasters… Clearly the Luba is more cumbersome to turn around. I’d assume the Husky would maneuver better around the gardens and trees. Experiences? 3. Battery lifecycle -- The Luba weighs 44 pounds whereas the Husky is 30+. Logically pushing all the extra weigh should use more power and a softer lifetime. Spending this kind of $$, I’d like something that will last as long as possible.
4. Viability --- Husky has been around longer. Luba is relatively new. But, Luba’s products are getting good reviews… Anyway… Would appreciate your comments about the first three concerns.
Thanks for the question! The short answer is the wider cutting deck on the Luba is closer to the edge of the machine. That being said, I think the better response is that reducing necessary trimming does not end at the mower. Making adjustments to your lawn itself can make a huge impact on the amount of trimming necessary. There are a few ways to do this; Leveling mulch beds allows for full overlap, implementing some edge work near walls and obstacles like mulch, rock, or weed prevention from companies like bruckman rubber and others can help with edges and around poles. Reduce corners that are less than 90° by rounding out with landscaping. So the long answer from us is to use the time spent not mowing and see if there are opportunities to improve the lawn itself and adjust it to work alongside your robotic lawn mower for a better overall finish. I hope that helps some.
Hi Martin and Seth, Thanks for your sharing, could you make more videos to test Luba, I am so happy to watch this series videos, and related videos have a goods views. Keep up the good work, I will support you bros.
Keeping our eyes on this one. They have a great product team, and we are excited to see what they come out with. Can't comment on launch date at this time as I do not know. -M
How about camera based mowers like Lawna, Conga, Worx Landroid Vision ? Would not that be simpler / more efficient solution as you would not need the GPS RTK stations? Are these any good?
Sami luo tech made a video on him demonstrating the conga and it looks amazing! Unfortunately it’s a kickstarter and if you read the comments on his TH-cam video…. It’s probably a scam. Bummer cause it looked pretty good.
I am very particular as to how my grass is cut, and would like to give you a couple of things to consider in future evaluations. My grass is tall fescue, and I mow it at 3". It thrives with this height and has never required aeration in the last ten years. Our house is on a corner lot with the sidewalk and street corner rounded, not squared at the intersection. I cut parallel to the sidewalk so the stripes follow the "bend" in the sidewalk at the corner. I use a Toro battery-powered walk-behind mower. Here are the things for you to consider: I always cut the edge first by walking along the walks with the left side of the mower on the walk and the right side on the grass. That way, when the blade first contacts the grass, it is pushing it back into the grass, not toward the sidewalk. This helps keep the grass upright along the sidewalk, not laying down on the walk. Can the mower be taught to cut along the walkways first as I do before cutting the rest of the yard? Secondly, you talked about these mowers handling hills. I cut along the side of the hill, not up and down the hill, as my path is parallel to the sidewalk. How well do these mowers perform staying on line in a hillside situation? I wish I could send you a picture to make this hillside clearer for you. Thank you.
How does RTK works if you have a separate front and back yard, so you can cover only one of them with RTK? Is it possible to install two separate RTK transmitters on the different sides of the house?
Hey, thanks for the question. Most models do not support multi-reference station installs. If and when they do, it's typically done to extend range for multiple units. That being said, if your single reference station and the mower have a relatively unobstructed view of the sky, an additional reference station should not be needed. Note: Both the mower and reference station need open sky view of the same satellites (co-viewing).
@evrready2 Great question. It depends on the overall size of the lawn, but the Luba (1.18" to 2.8") and the EPOS unit (.8" to 2.4") both have a relatively low cutting height and would very likely be able to keep it maintained on the schedule you are after. Daily may not be necessary if the overall area is small enough. We can help further if you wanted to shoot us a contact form on our website. Thanks for the question.
I think that's a bit of a loaded question... Luba AWD certainly has its benefits as far as navigating terrain. That said, EPOS is no slouch at getting itself unstuck. The real answer here is to make sure that your yard is prepped and ready for any robotic mower and set it up for success. -M
Does the RTK need line of sight? My backyard would be out of sight from where Im thinking of installing my RTK, also does the RTK need to be connected to wifi to work?
Not necessarily. Since the signal is broadcast over radio/Wi-Fi it typically just needs to be in range of the working radius of the reference station. The most important part of this is giving the RS a clear view of the sky. That being said, we always like to check the sites for viability before install to rule out any potential issues. -M
Great question! When mapping your yard, you will drive the mowers around the perimeter of the work area. You can then map out any exclusion zones within those work areas so that the mower knows to avoid known obstacles. -M
That is an interesting question. I currently have a Luba 5000 on part of my yard and a wired 450XH on another part of my yard. They seem to play nice together. Although it is funny when they bump into each other and I get some impromptu robot wars happening. -M
Hello! Thanks for the suggestion. We are eagerly awaiting full production Luba 2 models for in-depth testing and review. We currently only have early testing models that we cannot, nor would we thinks it's fair, compare them to in-market products. Check out our latest first impression video about the Luba 2, and stay tuned for more in-depth content on Luba 2 this spring.
We have had the most success with leaving the charging station outside on wireless RTK units. As long as you are able to dock the mower, you can define transport paths to send it wherever you want. -M
I have a 2.25 acre lot. We have no cell phone reception and very poor Wi-Fi outside of the house. Our lot is rectangular with the house closer to one side than being in the middle. There are several areas that are fairly steep slopes, probably close to 40° angle that I either have to weed eat or use the push mower, my zero turn can’t handle it. Given all of that, which mower would you recommend? Not between the two that you talked about on the video but just in general.
It sounds like you would definitely need an AWD model for the steep slopes. A couple of wired 435/535 might work great for you. Feel free to contact hello@autmow.com to further discuss! -M
Interesting and good question! If you're unable to train the tree to toss them into the neighbor's lawn, then I think there are 2 factors to consider. Drive system and cutting system. The LUBA is AWD so should have very few problems maneuvering over sticks and impediments. The downfall for the LUBA will be that with a double disc system, sticks "could" become lodged. On the other hand, the EPOS is 2WD so may run into issues with getting hung up on larger sticks, but the single disc cutting system (+ metal skid plate) is less likely for sticks to become wedged. While I can see the concern, if the sticks are rather small, either model will likely experience few issues so other lawn factors (size, slope, overall terrain) should play a bigger role. I know it's not a "this is best," but I hope the context helps with your decision.
Super job with the video. I was almost ready to make a purchase for the Luba but 2.6” max cut height is way too short for my preference! I hope they update that
Before buying luba companies product be sure and read there return and warranty for there product. also when watching videos, check to see if they get a commission if you use there link to buy one. they also use snail mail shipping letting the electronics get bounced around and mishandled by every 18 year old in the U.S. mine has been to 15 different locations in transit, and it is past where i live on the map. still waiting after 6 days. they seem to package there units well, but hard foam does not stop shock from transferring into the container/mower and everything else in the box. Printed circuit boards and there components do not like being jarred around. if my box is damaged i may just try the Yarbo mower with all its attachments.
I’m excited for a wireless option. My property is only .3 acres total. Both the wireless options you reviewed are rated for 5 times that, is it overkill to get one of these? Are there any negatives to having a robot mower with much greater capacity to what you need mowed?
Absolutely not! We actually prefer this whenever possible so the mower won't have to work as much. It helps with extending the life of the product among other benefits. -M
3.5 acres with 2x 550H EPOS. Challenging terrain with steep slopes and shallow limestone. Next month will be one year. Systematic mowing is awesome, as they mowing my entire yard 2x a week.
I’m looking for detailed information on where the charging stations can be placed. All the images show the docking station on some edge of the yard. On either of these models, is it possible to define a passage so the docking station can be off of the grass 10 feet or so? I would like to place it somewhere out of sight. Or does it have to be within a mowing zone? Thanks
I am curious about the Luba quality of cutting. It looks from the videos it is leaving chunks of grass so doesn't have a mulch function and the overall grass cutting is uneven. Hard to tell from videos so would appreciate an honest feedback
We have seen great cut quality from the Luba. As with most robotic mowers, the first pass or few can leave some "mohawks". After having one on a lawn for a week or two they are all cut down and we have seen a nice consistent cut. -M
Great review and great mowers! I know that the Luba 5000 is meant to mow an area of up to 5000sqm, but could it be configured to have zones that add up to more than 5000sqm? or multiple zones of 5000sqm? or is there a software limitation to stop it doing an area larger than 5000sqm? Thanks again
Thanks for the question. Software limitations aside, I think the biggest concern I would have is the cut quality and long-term life of the mower. Asking it to do more than recommended means it may have difficulty keeping up with the growth rate of the lawn (charge & working cycles). In addition to that, you are adding a lot more wear and tear on it by perpetually running more often than it should and could reduce the overall lifespan of the mower. So, while the software will allow mapping of area(s) larger than 5000sqm, we do recommend not exceeding this for the best performance. Hope this helped, have a great day.
We saw the Toro mower at the Equip expo last year and had a chance to speak with their team. Great group, exciting product. We look forward to seeing what they bring to the table. -M
@@AutmowRoboticMowing it's so odd they say it's launching spring of 2023,but have released no info or videos on it when the Robo mower gold rush is happening and people are picking the ones they want. This is a multi thousand dollar investment for most. They'll buy 1 and hope it lasts 10 years.
my lawn is 1.72acres but take out the house and pool and driveway its less........wouldnt it be cheaper for use two Luba's instead of one 450? can the RTK support more than one Luba?
I think you could probably attack that both ways. If price is the only limiting factor then I'd go with what you are more comfortable with. You also want to consider the complexity of your yard and how one mower would be able to travel from front to back as opposed to having an individual mower on each portion of your yard. Each Luba will come with its own reference station. The EPOS units can share a reference station. -M
Why do so many people love these Manmotion mowers, but the reviews on Amazon are mediocre at best? Is Manmotion going to issue a recall or send out parts to fix the IPX6 recall? That was a great selling point that ended up being hype. Neither mention how close to the side the blades go. Also, on the Luba, on your autmow site specs it says the Luba lowest cutting height is 1.2 inches, but this review said 0.9 inches. This has a 16 inch mowing width. How many inches does this typically overlap on the next pass? How about cutting speeds on various types of grass? I have Zoysia which is a dense turf type. Would you be required to mow slower? How would this effect the number of mows before replacing the blade? The Luba is a great product and I'll keep an eye on it for future upgrades. I'd like a future version that can mow lower. Thanks for the great video!
I have watched a few different comparison videos. I really like the Luba. The only thing that worries me is the fact that the grass still looks long, almost like it isn't cut. The grass doesn't look any different after the mower goes over it. The grass just looks like the wheels are flattening it. Is the cut nice and clean?
@@jasonrusso7 thanks for that. I bought a robotic vacuum/mop and love it. The Luba is very tempting. Not sure if you can help me here. I have a lawn at a different level (behind a retaining wall). Would I be able to mow the lower level, then pick the Luba up to mow the top level? There are steps to go up
I like the 2 you got there. Husqervana is a solid brand reputation for robot lawn mowers. But expensive for plastic Luba is a kickstarter so not sure if that’s an investment I’m willing to make. Toro later this year is coming out with a random navigation so that’s a no. Ambrogio is random pattern so no but it’s built like a BEAST 🐂 Eco flow looks like it has some amazing features. Ecovacs goat 1 isn’t even an option cause I live in 🇺🇸 but maybe? What are your thoughts? Which would you choose to mow your lawn (no perimeter mowers allowed!)
Hey Kelly! I actually have a Husqvarna 450 EPOS on my lawn currently and it does a great job. I will be taking a Luba out to my house in a few weeks and will see how it does. We have ran a Luba at another house for a while now and we are happy with the results so far. Excited about Toro, can't wait to see what the final product looks like. 100% agree on Ambrogio. I believe they are bringing a wire free option to market so I'm keeping my eye out for that. Just recently saw the Ecoflow Blade videos that have been circulating. Not sure how I feel about it yet. Also have not seen one in person so take that with a grain of salt. Looks interesting though. Also, don't sleep on Kress. Finally got to see their mowers in action yesterday and I am impressed. Once they come into market full swing they will be a great option especially with their acreage coverage offerings and network RTK solution. I'm pretty brand agnostic and always try to choose the best mower for the particular job. Like I said, currently am running a 450 EPOS and am quite happy with it. Next will be Luba and hopefully a Kress after that. Whew.. you got me on a tangent! Hope this helps! -M
"Luba is a kickstarter so not sure if that’s an investment I’m willing to make." - the Kickstarter is over so there is now no investment to make! However, those who did purchase the Luba via kickstarter... the investment certainly paid off because Luba delivered (all Kickstarter Luba's have been shipped) and those kickstarter people only paid 1/3 the price!!! Lastly, the EcoFlow cost the same as the LUBA but it absolutely doesn't compare in performance!
@@AutmowRoboticMowingThanks for your detailed thoughts on this very new and not well known product category! You are the robot lawn mowing experts and I think you’re right that this and next year is the year of wireless robot lawn mowers. With this technological advancement I think the adoption rate will rapidly increase. I think this market is somewhat like the robot vacuum market where there are a few top brands and many not so good brands. For example I have the roborock but I’m sure I would’ve been happy with a rhoomba or iRobot . I’ll probably get either of the 2 in your video, leaning towards the Luba. Do you feel the robot lawn market will be similar to the vacuum robots or is it more of a niche market? Oh and one really important question: About 7 years ago consumer reports took the available robots on the market and determined that the cut vs a full size lawn mower was pretty bad in that it chewed up the tops of the grass blades instead of a cleaner cut. Has the cut improved much?
Hello, Can you confirm for me that the Huqsvarna 450x Nera does systematic parallel line mowing from now on as standard? In this configuration, you confirm that it can mow an area of 2.5 acres rather than the 1.25 acres in random mowing? I have a plot of land of just under 2.5 acres to mow and would like to ensure that it is sufficient to handle this mowing area, without effort. Thanks for your feedback
"Thanks for the question. Nera is the European EPOS system, so I will reference it as that in the rest of my response and for future readers. The EPOS based mowers from Husqvarna do in-fact cover up to 2.5 acres through (currently) 3 cutting patterns. Parallel, Checkerboard and Triangle depending on preference and the angle can be adjusted or varried to optimize any slopeside cutting. So, in answer to your question, it should be a great fit for your lawn if you don not have an abundance of trees or other structures that could interefere with the RTK signal strength. You're welcome to head over to our website and see if there is a location near you or talk with our sales team about it more directly. Have a great day!"
How do you feel either of these units' GPS would handle large, mature shade trees? I would estimate I have shade covering about 25 to 30% of the yard. I also have a large old brick farmhouse with two outbuildings.
I have had pretty good results even with tree cover and buildings in the way. From my experience, the most important factor in success with EPOS is making sure that the reference station has a clear, unobstructed view of the sky. -M
Forget connection coverage - what about twigs? My yard is wooded and even after a walkaround my Lawndroid has about a 1 in 12 chance of making it through a complete mowing cycle and back to the dock without getting stuck on something... pretty burnt on that, and despite all the technology improvements on Luba I hear similar complaints.
@@apieceofstring I've got the same problem with the landlord vision. haven't gotten it to mow the lawn on a full cycle once yet, but my yard was pre-cut and no obstacles or twigs, just grass. would the luba do better?
Mammotion has a US based service center in CA where most repairs are performed if they cannot be resolved by troubleshooting or parts replacement by user.
Hello all - Can somebody explain this to me, pls... Does LUBA need the wifi connection for the whole lawn? Or only in charging station - or only during setup? Thank you
EPOS has a Lithium Ion compared to Luba which has a Lithium Polymer. LiPo batteries are typically going to last slightly less time than a Lithium Ion. -M
It is best to never take a hose to the mowers, especially the underside. We typically wait for a dry a period and scrape any dirt or buildup off with a handtool and use damp sponge/towel to wipe off the chassis.
I think the cause is that it has no means of communication if removed from the WiFi. The Luba itself probably knows it's location but have no means of communicating it.
Certainly understand the sentiment here. As another user commented, we are thinking about just putting an air tag or similar tracking device on them. -M
I mow 3 acres. Have another 5 at back of my property that I bush hog twice a year. I do mow a walkong path around the perimiter of the back 5 acres. Would the luba be able to mow that perimeter as well as my 2.5 to 3 acres?
Thanks for the question. Mowing different paths through large fields is something I think is under-utilized, especially with the new wireless products. In regard to your question, I think you might be pushing the product a bit far with that total area. One unit may not be able to keep up. I am assuming you are looking for a quality finish on the 3 acres and just maintenance on the path, but I would be concerned that if the path gets too overgrown, it may become too much for the product to get through. That said, you could always contact our sales team and they can map out the property and help confirm the total area.
Great question! No, we have not had the opportunity to test or get our hands on the Heisenberg lawnmeister. We have been seeing it all over the place and are keeping an eye out for chances to check it out in-person.
For me, when considering new hi-tech products like this at these price points, warranty is a big deal. If there's no guarantee after a year or two, then the product is a lot less attractive. Who is going to be able to fix one of these things if it breaks in three years? If I spend $3-6K on a tool, I need it to last for 10+ years. It may very well last that long, but its hard to part with that much money for something that is still a gamble.
I would probably go with Luba, if they added a camera for obstacle detection. Because of this I will probably go with Blade. I have a dog a kid, both of them love to leave toys everywhere, even flat ones like a blanket, which wouldn't be detected by the ultrasound sensor on Luba. On the other hand I like the Luba is 4x4, even though my lawn is pretty flat, I think it gives it a better maneuverability. I wish we could have combination of both.
I bought the Blade. I'm mowing about 2.5 acres of rural lawn (somewhat rutty, with various tall and broad-leaf weeds amongst natural grass). The Blade is pretty impressive, super quiet, and does a beautiful cut. However, the omnidirectional front wheels are like a lint brush for small twigs and other debris where the horizontal rotation (smaller rollers) became non-functional pretty quick and need to be cleaned out with needle nose pliers. The back wheels' aggressive nobbies also collect dirt, leaves etc. and will spinout in soft areas, say, mole hills. In my small test runs I had to manually unstick the mower several times. Not ideal if I expect work to be done when I'm away. The lidar camera is very good, sometimes too good. The unit sometimes maneuvers around cuttable grass that stands a little taller than adjacent grass, as if it's a toy or obstruction, and it also seems to overthink the perimeter near a fence, stopping constantly to reassure itself to continue. I have not yet been able to get a complete mow for various technicalities, including spotty RTK connectivity. Customer service is prompt, responsive, and helpful, but I'm still not been able to use the thing as intended. It may be I'm not the ideal property for Blade. But if your lawn is a nice suburban carpet, like seen here, I would bet the Blade would be a good fit. I just bought the Luba. I'm hoping it proves to be a better fit for my property. I'll use them both as redundant workers.
@@realtoast7036 I'd be interested in how you feel the two compare after you get the Luba. Tag me with any comments you have. 🙂
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@@charlessaftner4208 wasn't it mine video with the Blade getting stuck on a flat yard? :)
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@@realtoast7036 I am still torn. On one hand the Blade does a great job. Most of the issues I have with it a purely software based and easily fixable. The front wheels are no problem for me and even after 5 days of use they stay clean. I don't have any trees in my yard yet, so that probably helps. I wish Luba had a camera and wish it was actually sold in my country, or at least be able to be delivered here. Another thing with Luba is that I heard it tends to tear up the lawn with the way it turns.
@ I think Luba only tears up the grass in front of the charging station. I haven't had any issues myself but I do have my charging station in front of a stone patio.
How do they work in residential if u need line of site? looking at the Luba but I have a single story no trees and thinking of mounting rtk to chimney, but back yard will see mower but not front of house or sides due to high roof. Longest distance is only 110ft.
As long as the RS has clear line of sight to the sky, you should be ok. We have had a little better result with mounting it closer to the ground though oddly enough... Both seem to work fine though. -M
Some questions about Luba: Does the RTK need to be line-of-site to the mower at all times? I’m rural and only internet is via cell, no WiFi. Is that a deal breaker? From where I would mount the RTK, my max distance to mower would be 700’. Will it do that?
It's how Husqvarna has branded the mowers. The 450EPOS is the "residential" line and the 550EPOS is the "commercial" line. The 550 will eventually come with a 5 blade cutting disc. -M
I have Luba on three acres it easily takes care of it all. some sections I have it doing twice a week and I would say it's resting on its base 80% of the time still. I have had Luba out 750 ft from the base station no problem! tomorrow I'm just going to start driving it down the street and see how far it goes because I'm curious now 😂
That's awesome! It really has surpassed our expectations so far. Curious to hear how far away you can get before you lose signal. Thanks for the comment! Love your content btw.
-M
Yea grass doesn’t need to be mowed every day so if you section it out to where it’s mowing a section every three days it should do awesome I dunno if your mowing the entire three acres in one session
Does the RTK need to be line-of-site to the mower at all times?
I’m rural and only internet is via cell, no WiFi. Is that a deal breaker? I suppose I could get a hotspot device if really necessary.
From where I would mount the RTK, my max distance to mower would be 700’. This is more less the center of my rectangular plot. The total lawn grass area to mow is about 3 ac. The rest is 2 large hay fields that wouldn’t be mowed by this device.
I really like this one because I have steep hills and it has the best specs for that.
@@modquad18 Wi-Fi is very important part of luba If you don't have it you're going to have considerable difficulty. You can use a phone hotspot but you won't have any remote access to luba once it's out of Bluetooth range of your phone with no Wi-Fi. Also keep in mind the max size is 1.25 acres Luba will not map out more than that. That being said RTK does not need line of sight It only needs clear view of the sky I've had my mower 700 ft away from the RTK and it worked but my antenna is on the roof of the house. But not having a Wi-Fi connection is going to make your luba experience more difficult.
@@modquad18 I'm in same situation. Rural. But I'm using Starlink and it's awesome. I did have to mess with the antenna placement. You want complete sky view. If your AC power is close to the house, it would be good to have the antenna mounted on an eave, with no tree or roof obstruction. With clear sky, it's not necessary to have line-of-sight. My Luba stays connected around the "O" shaped lot (meaning, lawn completely surrounds all side of the home).
Thanks guys, for the review. I have been struggling over the thoughts of purchasing a robotic mower. I hire a lawn service to care for my lawn. I'm not sure which has more stress: fighting the weather, heat and cost doing it myself -or depending on a business that is here one day and out of business the next season. I'm an IT man by trade and very I'm difficult and demanding when it comes to expecting the best from technology. I mean seriously! We're in 2023 and we still can't get a 100% robotic lawnmower. Yet, Space-X can return a rocket back to its landing pad! Thanks again for the great information.
Just brought Mammotion Luba to mow a remote (parents) garden, have been using Bosch Indego, whilst it is ok, have cut the perimeter wire on a few occasions and it stopping at a slightest bump and it's inability to restrict areas without wire has caused many issues. Your reviews and others have given me confidence in this has been the right choice.
yesssss mikeeee!!!!!
Great Video- I bought a Luba and I would point out that you can define any angle cut in 10deg increments. So diamond cut and everything in-between. Now I don't own a 450 EPOS but for me the 4WD was clutch. I have hills and ruts in my yard so I can say with confidence that it wouldn't do the job. Maybe their 435 might do the job but it is really expensive. Luba is out cutting right now for me.
Thanks for the call out! It sounds like you got the right mower for the job, which is exactly what we hope to help accomplish. Would LOVE to see a 435 come equipped with EPOS. Maybe some day...
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@@AutmowRoboticMowing Yes, the 435 and the Ambrogio are the only other two 4wd mowers that I'm aware of but only the Luba is an RTK (EPOS) mower. It really is the best mower on the market for anything that isn't a nice flat yard.
The future looks exciting! I have my eye on the Yarbo robot as it has interchangeable head units. Initially it has mower, snow blower, and leaf blower head units with other head units teased for the future. I look forward to your review.
We are definitely keeping an eye on Yarbo. Looks to be an interesting product.
-M
White plastic often becomes brittle after months in the sun. What UV protection is in the Luba mower? Also, are there replacement batteries or RTK modules available?
Thanks for the review! I’m still on the lookout for a more affordable robot mower.
I typically my sprinklers out all the time on a schedule to water my small lawn. Would the luba be able to do over the hoses without breaking them?
Around here the Husqvarna has 5 year warranty. Only limitation is that it needs to be serviced by the dealer once a year. Theres also the winter holiday for the mower (aka pay money for the dealer for stashing it away in winter). They usually do the servicing and inspections in the winter.
That is very interesting. Where are you located (if you don't mind saying)?
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@@AutmowRoboticMowingit's like this in Slovenia (Europe) as well. 100€ per winter service for my 430x - I'm not doing it.
A Very well done and thorough video. I appreciate this ability to translate technical concepts to digestible takeaways for the average Joe. Bravo, Marty and Seth. Keep up the good work.
Hey Nick! Thanks for the kind words.
-M
My RTK is solid blue with issue positioning although it is reading 29 satellites and Mammotion cannot even rectify this problem after 2 weeks, and does not warranty their product and says it is 2 years - BS. This firm should be investigated for non-compliance of their claims and I even believe Amazon has dumped them. We were FOOLS to believe in their hype and it is sad that so many on You Tube still promulgate this firm which in IMHO is selling crap with no service or integrity.
Thanks for the review. Would either of these mowers be suitable for a subtropical region where grass grows thick and quick?
Does the reference station need clear line-of-sight to the mower? What if it’s in the backward and the mower is in the front yard?
The most important thing is that the RS has an unobstructed view of the sky. We have seen really good signal integrity through houses and trees etc.
-M
I have a Luba and love it. 2 things: 1. I’m not sure how much the RTK station actually does. I’ve had it on the other side of my house no where in site of the station and it still does amazing, I’m assuming just direct connection to gps above? 2. Have y’all had trouble with it docking on the charger sometimes? It’ll throw a message about the infrared sensor being dirty sometimes and I have ti clean it off when it’s dusty.
I’m very happy with the last update they just rolled out!
I just noticed the Luba but just purchased the ecoflow blade & now am thinking of returning it for the luba. I’m stuck now which should I get…
One comparison I was hoping you could share: how close can each model cut to a structure like a fence or a curb? Is one a clear advantage over the other?
That's a great idea for a video and we can make sure to show that. A good comparison in the meantime will be to a traditional mower. You will have a few inches of uncut grass against a fence line that will need addressed with a weed eater or other method.
-M
@@AutmowRoboticMowing I also have not seen anyone show side walk and curb results. Would be an informative video for those of us in the suburbs.
Excellent content! Thank you for putting this together.
Thank you very much!
-M
I bought a Segway Navimow. Really happy with it so far
Very Cool! We would love to get our hands on one.
-M
What acreage coverage does it have and what was the price tag compared to the Luba?
It comes in four sizes. I bought the 3000 square meter version since I have around that size. It was about 2700 eur. Not sure how much I can actually map. It only has one disc, so the Luba will cut more on a single drive. I did not want the awd tyres because of risking turn marks and the Luba is missing some of the features that the Navimow has. Also, I have local retailers for the Navimow in case I need repairs.
My luba is great when it works. Ive got it on about 6000m2 at the moment and it handles it no issue.
Tom, interested to hear more about your experience with Luba. The way your comment is worded “when it works” leads me to think it often doesn’t work? I’m considering this mower, so any insights are greatly appreciated!
@Andrew Y I find it needs intervention a little too often at the moment, but there are quite a few updates and it gets better each time. The machine feels very sturdy, like it will last a long time. I'm going to relocate the charger and rtk see if that makes any difference to how reliably it works.
How do you mow more than the 5000 meter upper limit ?
Have you found a good spot on Luba to stick an airtag?
To make a long story short, I have had a 450 ex auto mower for the past five years or so and have absolutely loved the mower itself. Unfortunately my boundary wire keeps being cut by rodents, construction, workers, cable companies, etc.. recently my cable company came out and installed brand, new fiber, chopped up the mower wire and destroyed the entire unit by leaving live wires exposed over the winter. They also spliced some of my broken boundary wire into some other cable lines. Can’t figure out why they would do that. I will be getting a brand new 450 XH epos mower installed tomorrow and I’m so excited to ditch the boundary wire. I will be making a full review video just like I made on my 450 X I’m also super excited to know I’ll be able to cut my grass at a higher height and not having to scalp it any longer there are little to no good reviews of the epos mower in a residential scenario so my video will be one of the first and I am purchasing my mower from autmow Just like I purchased my original mower from them. Now I just have to sue the contractors that destroyed my mower for $$$$$$
Wow! Certainly feel your struggle as we have had to cleanup installs that got just wrecked by people who weren't paying attention. Excited to see your EPOS video! I think you'll love it.
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@@AutmowRoboticMowing so far I’m living the new mower and am learning how best to divide up my yard where to put transport paths etc. my review video will come out in the next week or 2
@@AutmowRoboticMowing below is my original video of the 450x
HUSQVARNA AUTOMOWER 450X REVIEW
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Awesome! Thanks so much.
@@AutmowRoboticMowing your welcome.
Great video. Thanks. We have big areas currently serviced by Husqvarna, Ambrogio, Bosch and Worx, and are looking to switch to wire-free. This and your answers to comments are a huge help.
Thanks for the comment and glad to hear we could help. Feel free to drop us a line at hello@autmow.com if you would like to further discuss.
-M
My RTK is solid blue with issue positioning although it is reading 29 satellites and Mammotion cannot even rectify this problem after 2 weeks, and does not warranty their product and says it is 2 years - BS. This firm should be investigated for non-compliance of their claims and I even believe Amazon has dumped them. We were FOOLS to believe in their hype and it is sad that so many on You Tube still promulgate this firm which in IMHO is selling crap with no service or integrity.
I have two of the wired 450x Automowers covering about 3 acres. Unfortunately the durability has proven not what I expected. Hoping to investigate the Luba option next year.
If you don't have internet at the location, is it possible to monitor Luba via the app?
You need to be within bluetooth range to access the mower.
Which one of these would be best suited in a location near the sea. Alloy and plastic is preferable as metal components would be prone to rust.
Interesting question! So there is a fairly minimal use of metals externally for both products. Mammotion's suspension arms are a cast aluminum and the front casters on Husqvarna are exposed metal. Outside of that, external screws and blades would be my next concern. All-in-all, I'd say the Husqvarna has fewer external metal components that would be of a concern.
Question on the RTK. Does it have to have line of sight to the mower or just stay within the distance specs of the unit?
Reason for the question is the RTK will not have line of sight on the far side of the house.
how does the Luba do on edges? Will I need to also keep a weed eater or does it handle it all?
Hello Nicole! The Luba performs comparably to most other robotic mowers with edge cutting from what we have seen. I would advise keeping your weed eater.
-M
What about buried power cables? Great review!
Where do i get service and repairs for these mowers? Do i need to mail them in?
Do you think Mammotion can add better security down the road with a software update if purchased now?
Not sure at this time. Hopefully more updates soon!
-M
Hi, Excellent content!
I have been trying to decide between the Luba 2 10000H and the Husqvarna Automower 450XH EPOS.
Have about 1.8 mowable acres of mixed rye, bluegrass and fescue spotted with weeds.
The property is a rectangle with three tiers with a gentle slop between each tier.
Have a few gardens, maybe 30 evergreen trees, and eight Maples to mow around. Most of the trees are around the edge fo the property and line the driveway.
My concerns:
1. The cut quality -- The Luba has 8 blades over a 15 inch swath whereas the Husqvarna has three blades over nine inches and they are somewhat covered by a safety disc. I would think the Luba would deliver a better cut based on blade density. Then again, the Luba is heavier and smashes some of the grass down before mowing. What has been peoples’ experience with cut quality?
2. Maneuverability - The Luba has four independently motored wheels. The Husky has two independently motored wheels and two coasters… Clearly the Luba is more cumbersome to turn around. I’d assume the Husky would maneuver better around the gardens and trees. Experiences?
3. Battery lifecycle -- The Luba weighs 44 pounds whereas the Husky is 30+. Logically pushing all the extra weigh should use more power and a softer lifetime. Spending this kind of $$, I’d like something that will last as long as possible.
4. Viability --- Husky has been around longer. Luba is relatively new. But, Luba’s products are getting good reviews…
Anyway… Would appreciate your comments about the first three concerns.
Thank you for the video. I'm curious to hear which cuts closer to the edge? Trying to avoid having to strim edges.
Thanks for the question! The short answer is the wider cutting deck on the Luba is closer to the edge of the machine. That being said, I think the better response is that reducing necessary trimming does not end at the mower. Making adjustments to your lawn itself can make a huge impact on the amount of trimming necessary. There are a few ways to do this; Leveling mulch beds allows for full overlap, implementing some edge work near walls and obstacles like mulch, rock, or weed prevention from companies like bruckman rubber and others can help with edges and around poles. Reduce corners that are less than 90° by rounding out with landscaping. So the long answer from us is to use the time spent not mowing and see if there are opportunities to improve the lawn itself and adjust it to work alongside your robotic lawn mower for a better overall finish. I hope that helps some.
Hi Martin and Seth, Thanks for your sharing, could you make more videos to test Luba, I am so happy to watch this series videos, and related videos have a goods views. Keep up the good work, I will support you bros.
Have you guys heard anything about potential delays with the Toro robotic mower? Spring 2023 seems unlikely at this point.
Keeping our eyes on this one. They have a great product team, and we are excited to see what they come out with. Can't comment on launch date at this time as I do not know.
-M
i wonder if the luba have even wider cut if you remove the side guards underneath, they obstructed at least 2" of both sides.
We would not recommend removing the guards. They are there for safety reasons. Also, it will not increase cut width.
-M
@@AutmowRoboticMowing "it will not increase cut width". That's very useful information, could you expand on it a little?
@@rilane6692 The cut width is determined by the diameter of the spinning blades, not by the guards.
How about camera based mowers like Lawna, Conga, Worx Landroid Vision ? Would not that be simpler / more efficient solution as you would not need the GPS RTK stations? Are these any good?
Sami luo tech made a video on him demonstrating the conga and it looks amazing!
Unfortunately it’s a kickstarter and if you read the comments on his TH-cam video…. It’s probably a scam. Bummer cause it looked pretty good.
@@kellyjohnson4578 So far Luba looks like the best option. I guess I will wait one more year to see if Lawna is any good.
I am very particular as to how my grass is cut, and would like to give you a couple of things to consider in future evaluations. My grass is tall fescue, and I mow it at 3". It thrives with this height and has never required aeration in the last ten years. Our house is on a corner lot with the sidewalk and street corner rounded, not squared at the intersection. I cut parallel to the sidewalk so the stripes follow the "bend" in the sidewalk at the corner. I use a Toro battery-powered walk-behind mower. Here are the things for you to consider: I always cut the edge first by walking along the walks with the left side of the mower on the walk and the right side on the grass. That way, when the blade first contacts the grass, it is pushing it back into the grass, not toward the sidewalk. This helps keep the grass upright along the sidewalk, not laying down on the walk. Can the mower be taught to cut along the walkways first as I do before cutting the rest of the yard? Secondly, you talked about these mowers handling hills. I cut along the side of the hill, not up and down the hill, as my path is parallel to the sidewalk. How well do these mowers perform staying on line in a hillside situation? I wish I could send you a picture to make this hillside clearer for you. Thank you.
Hey Prentice. A lot going on here!
Please feel free to email us at hello@autmow.com and we would be happy to take a more detailed look.
-M
Great comparison, I look forward to further videos like this, especially with the EcoFlow Blade and Segway Navimow
We would love to get our hands on the Navimow... Not sure when that will happen.
-M
How does RTK works if you have a separate front and back yard, so you can cover only one of them with RTK? Is it possible to install two separate RTK transmitters on the different sides of the house?
Hey, thanks for the question. Most models do not support multi-reference station installs. If and when they do, it's typically done to extend range for multiple units. That being said, if your single reference station and the mower have a relatively unobstructed view of the sky, an additional reference station should not be needed. Note: Both the mower and reference station need open sky view of the same satellites (co-viewing).
I have Bermuda Tif-Tuff grass and how does each mower perform on Bermuda? I now cut every 3-4 days. Can both cut daily on the lowest cutting height?
@evrready2 Great question. It depends on the overall size of the lawn, but the Luba (1.18" to 2.8") and the EPOS unit (.8" to 2.4") both have a relatively low cutting height and would very likely be able to keep it maintained on the schedule you are after. Daily may not be necessary if the overall area is small enough. We can help further if you wanted to shoot us a contact form on our website. Thanks for the question.
Which is the more reliable mower? Gets stuck/needs rescued least?
I think that's a bit of a loaded question... Luba AWD certainly has its benefits as far as navigating terrain. That said, EPOS is no slouch at getting itself unstuck. The real answer here is to make sure that your yard is prepped and ready for any robotic mower and set it up for success.
-M
Nice job on the review! 👏
Yeah, I saw that! Is it really that cheap?
Does the RTK need line of sight? My backyard would be out of sight from where Im thinking of installing my RTK, also does the RTK need to be connected to wifi to work?
Not necessarily. Since the signal is broadcast over radio/Wi-Fi it typically just needs to be in range of the working radius of the reference station. The most important part of this is giving the RS a clear view of the sky. That being said, we always like to check the sites for viability before install to rule out any potential issues.
-M
When you are setting up these mowers do you just go round the edges, or do you have to do the whole lawn?
Great question! When mapping your yard, you will drive the mowers around the perimeter of the work area. You can then map out any exclusion zones within those work areas so that the mower knows to avoid known obstacles.
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@@AutmowRoboticMowing Thank you!
Wondering if the lubo will be able to keep away from the meter-highnl drops since my yard has several "levels" with drops between each level
Have you done a review on the EcoFlow Blade?
We have not had a chance to get our hands on one yet. Looks interesting though.
-M
Nice review, tnx.
Have you some info about multiple mower collaboration on same yard?
Ceers
That is an interesting question. I currently have a Luba 5000 on part of my yard and a wired 450XH on another part of my yard. They seem to play nice together. Although it is funny when they bump into each other and I get some impromptu robot wars happening.
-M
What's the usage of the SIM card slot on the Mammotion Luba? I thought there was no 4G on it?
3g network is still available in many other parts of the world outside of the states.
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Hi, have you reviewed the Luba 2 v Husqvarna yet please?
Hello! Thanks for the suggestion. We are eagerly awaiting full production Luba 2 models for in-depth testing and review. We currently only have early testing models that we cannot, nor would we thinks it's fair, compare them to in-market products. Check out our latest first impression video about the Luba 2, and stay tuned for more in-depth content on Luba 2 this spring.
Any feedback using RTK in a wooded back yard?
Will the Luba work for St Augustine grass?
AWD mowers are definitely your best bet on St. Augustine. Either a Luba or a Husqvarna 435/535 would be my gut reaction recommendation.
-M
@@AutmowRoboticMowing I cut my lawn at 3.25 on my zero turn. I’m just worried that the Luba will cut too low, what are your thoughts?
@AutmowRoboticMowing is it possible to place the dock for these mowers inside a garage or does the dock need to disembark directly to lawn?
We have had the most success with leaving the charging station outside on wireless RTK units. As long as you are able to dock the mower, you can define transport paths to send it wherever you want.
-M
@@AutmowRoboticMowing if the reference station is installed in the back yard, does the house affect it's max range in the front yard?
I have a 2.25 acre lot. We have no cell phone reception and very poor Wi-Fi outside of the house. Our lot is rectangular with the house closer to one side than being in the middle. There are several areas that are fairly steep slopes, probably close to 40° angle that I either have to weed eat or use the push mower, my zero turn can’t handle it. Given all of that, which mower would you recommend? Not between the two that you talked about on the video but just in general.
It sounds like you would definitely need an AWD model for the steep slopes. A couple of wired 435/535 might work great for you. Feel free to contact hello@autmow.com to further discuss!
-M
Sehr gute Vorstellung, besten Dank.
Thank you for the kind words!
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Thanks for the info guys! Very much appreciated! :^)
Thank you so much!
-M
Any thoughts on Ambrogio Twenty ZR vs Mammotion Luba?
I would like to know which one goes over sticks better? I have a stupid tree that likes to shed sticks lol
Interesting and good question! If you're unable to train the tree to toss them into the neighbor's lawn, then I think there are 2 factors to consider. Drive system and cutting system. The LUBA is AWD so should have very few problems maneuvering over sticks and impediments. The downfall for the LUBA will be that with a double disc system, sticks "could" become lodged. On the other hand, the EPOS is 2WD so may run into issues with getting hung up on larger sticks, but the single disc cutting system (+ metal skid plate) is less likely for sticks to become wedged. While I can see the concern, if the sticks are rather small, either model will likely experience few issues so other lawn factors (size, slope, overall terrain) should play a bigger role. I know it's not a "this is best," but I hope the context helps with your decision.
Super job with the video. I was almost ready to make a purchase for the Luba but 2.6” max cut height is way too short for my preference! I hope they update that
We may be testing a higher cut model...
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@@AutmowRoboticMowing a higher cut Luba? Or at least another wireless type unit that’s not 5K?
Luba. Stay tuned
@@AutmowRoboticMowing any word on when? Thanks!
Before buying luba companies product be sure and read there return and warranty for there product. also when watching videos, check to see if they get a commission if you use there link to buy one. they also use snail mail shipping letting the electronics get bounced around and mishandled by every 18 year old in the U.S. mine has been to 15 different locations in transit, and it is past where i live on the map. still waiting after 6 days. they seem to package there units well, but hard foam does not stop shock from transferring into the container/mower and everything else in the box. Printed circuit boards and there components do not like being jarred around. if my box is damaged i may just try the Yarbo mower with all its attachments.
Anything that will cut high enough for my TTTF?
For tall fescue you may want to get a high cut model Husqvarna. They will cut up to 3.6 inch. 550XH EPOS would be an example of this.
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I’m excited for a wireless option. My property is only .3 acres total. Both the wireless options you reviewed are rated for 5 times that, is it overkill to get one of these? Are there any negatives to having a robot mower with much greater capacity to what you need mowed?
Absolutely not! We actually prefer this whenever possible so the mower won't have to work as much. It helps with extending the life of the product among other benefits.
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3.5 acres with 2x 550H EPOS. Challenging terrain with steep slopes and shallow limestone. Next month will be one year. Systematic mowing is awesome, as they mowing my entire yard 2x a week.
Are you using it for residential?
@@skyserf Yes.
LOVE IT! Systematic cutting really is a game changer.
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Automower gets stuck if the front wheel dips into an inch of fall. It’s because of the tiny front wheels. Does luba with its beast wheels do better?
Is there a Mower that can handle a twice a week mowing schedule for a lawn in Pennsylvania?
Have you compared the Luba 5k to the EcoFlow Blade? I'm on the fence. Blade has the sweeper which might give it an edge.
We have not had the chance to test the EcoFlow. It certainly looks interesting.
-M
How is the max coverage determined? It seems like if you run it all the time I’m confused why the spec coverage is so low.
I’m looking for detailed information on where the charging stations can be placed. All the images show the docking station on some edge of the yard. On either of these models, is it possible to define a passage so the docking station can be off of the grass 10 feet or so? I would like to place it somewhere out of sight. Or does it have to be within a mowing zone? Thanks
I am curious about the Luba quality of cutting. It looks from the videos it is leaving chunks of grass so doesn't have a mulch function and the overall grass cutting is uneven. Hard to tell from videos so would appreciate an honest feedback
We have seen great cut quality from the Luba. As with most robotic mowers, the first pass or few can leave some "mohawks". After having one on a lawn for a week or two they are all cut down and we have seen a nice consistent cut.
-M
What about Segway Navimow, what are your thoughts on that?
Very excited to see Segway hit the US market next year. Haven't had a chance to get any hands on experience just yet. Hopefully soon!
-M
@@AutmowRoboticMowing apparently they're shipping in June.
Great review and great mowers! I know that the Luba 5000 is meant to mow an area of up to 5000sqm, but could it be configured to have zones that add up to more than 5000sqm? or multiple zones of 5000sqm? or is there a software limitation to stop it doing an area larger than 5000sqm? Thanks again
Thanks for the question. Software limitations aside, I think the biggest concern I would have is the cut quality and long-term life of the mower. Asking it to do more than recommended means it may have difficulty keeping up with the growth rate of the lawn (charge & working cycles). In addition to that, you are adding a lot more wear and tear on it by perpetually running more often than it should and could reduce the overall lifespan of the mower. So, while the software will allow mapping of area(s) larger than 5000sqm, we do recommend not exceeding this for the best performance. Hope this helped, have a great day.
You guys getting your hands on Toro's Robo mower? Not a ton of info out on it yet, but I'm comparing it with Luba and EPOS
We saw the Toro mower at the Equip expo last year and had a chance to speak with their team. Great group, exciting product. We look forward to seeing what they bring to the table.
-M
@@AutmowRoboticMowing it's so odd they say it's launching spring of 2023,but have released no info or videos on it when the Robo mower gold rush is happening and people are picking the ones they want. This is a multi thousand dollar investment for most. They'll buy 1 and hope it lasts 10 years.
my lawn is 1.72acres but take out the house and pool and driveway its less........wouldnt it be cheaper for use two Luba's instead of one 450? can the RTK support more than one Luba?
I think you could probably attack that both ways. If price is the only limiting factor then I'd go with what you are more comfortable with. You also want to consider the complexity of your yard and how one mower would be able to travel from front to back as opposed to having an individual mower on each portion of your yard. Each Luba will come with its own reference station. The EPOS units can share a reference station.
-M
have you looked at the ecoflow blade?
Very helpful review. Thank you.
Why do so many people love these Manmotion mowers, but the reviews on Amazon are mediocre at best? Is Manmotion going to issue a recall or send out parts to fix the IPX6 recall? That was a great selling point that ended up being hype. Neither mention how close to the side the blades go. Also, on the Luba, on your autmow site specs it says the Luba lowest cutting height is 1.2 inches, but this review said 0.9 inches. This has a 16 inch mowing width. How many inches does this typically overlap on the next pass? How about cutting speeds on various types of grass? I have Zoysia which is a dense turf type. Would you be required to mow slower? How would this effect the number of mows before replacing the blade? The Luba is a great product and I'll keep an eye on it for future upgrades. I'd like a future version that can mow lower. Thanks for the great video!
I have watched a few different comparison videos. I really like the Luba. The only thing that worries me is the fact that the grass still looks long, almost like it isn't cut. The grass doesn't look any different after the mower goes over it. The grass just looks like the wheels are flattening it. Is the cut nice and clean?
Yes! The cut quality has been great from the Luba.
-M
I have 2 Lubas. I had the same concern as you. It works great. It cuts the grass perfectly.
@@jasonrusso7 thanks for that. I bought a robotic vacuum/mop and love it. The Luba is very tempting. Not sure if you can help me here. I have a lawn at a different level (behind a retaining wall). Would I be able to mow the lower level, then pick the Luba up to mow the top level? There are steps to go up
@@DS-xw3qp I started with mops and vacuums also!
Which have you preferred??? Which is better??
I like the 2 you got there.
Husqervana is a solid brand reputation for robot lawn mowers. But expensive for plastic
Luba is a kickstarter so not sure if that’s an investment I’m willing to make.
Toro later this year is coming out with a random navigation so that’s a no.
Ambrogio is random pattern so no but it’s built like a BEAST 🐂
Eco flow looks like it has some amazing features.
Ecovacs goat 1 isn’t even an option cause I live in 🇺🇸 but maybe?
What are your thoughts? Which would you choose to mow your lawn (no perimeter mowers allowed!)
Hey Kelly! I actually have a Husqvarna 450 EPOS on my lawn currently and it does a great job. I will be taking a Luba out to my house in a few weeks and will see how it does. We have ran a Luba at another house for a while now and we are happy with the results so far. Excited about Toro, can't wait to see what the final product looks like. 100% agree on Ambrogio. I believe they are bringing a wire free option to market so I'm keeping my eye out for that. Just recently saw the Ecoflow Blade videos that have been circulating. Not sure how I feel about it yet. Also have not seen one in person so take that with a grain of salt. Looks interesting though. Also, don't sleep on Kress. Finally got to see their mowers in action yesterday and I am impressed. Once they come into market full swing they will be a great option especially with their acreage coverage offerings and network RTK solution.
I'm pretty brand agnostic and always try to choose the best mower for the particular job. Like I said, currently am running a 450 EPOS and am quite happy with it. Next will be Luba and hopefully a Kress after that. Whew.. you got me on a tangent! Hope this helps!
-M
"Luba is a kickstarter so not sure if that’s an investment I’m willing to make." - the Kickstarter is over so there is now no investment to make! However, those who did purchase the Luba via kickstarter... the investment certainly paid off because Luba delivered (all Kickstarter Luba's have been shipped) and those kickstarter people only paid 1/3 the price!!! Lastly, the EcoFlow cost the same as the LUBA but it absolutely doesn't compare in performance!
It certainly had a lot of conversation around it. Agreed that the Kickstarter crowd definitely got a nice machine at a great price.
-M
Ecoflow is very promising imho
@@AutmowRoboticMowingThanks for your detailed thoughts on this very new and not well known product category! You are the robot lawn mowing experts and I think you’re right that this and next year is the year of wireless robot lawn mowers. With this technological advancement I think the adoption rate will rapidly increase.
I think this market is somewhat like the robot vacuum market where there are a few top brands and many not so good brands. For example I have the roborock but I’m sure I would’ve been happy with a rhoomba or iRobot .
I’ll probably get either of the 2 in your video, leaning towards the Luba. Do you feel the robot lawn market will be similar to the vacuum robots or is it more of a niche market?
Oh and one really important question:
About 7 years ago consumer reports took the available robots on the market and determined that the cut vs a full size lawn mower was pretty bad in that it chewed up the tops of the grass blades instead of a cleaner cut. Has the cut improved much?
Hello,
Can you confirm for me that the Huqsvarna 450x Nera does systematic parallel line mowing from now on as standard?
In this configuration, you confirm that it can mow an area of 2.5 acres rather than the 1.25 acres in random mowing?
I have a plot of land of just under 2.5 acres to mow and would like to ensure that it is sufficient to handle this mowing area, without effort.
Thanks for your feedback
"Thanks for the question. Nera is the European EPOS system, so I will reference it as that in the rest of my response and for future readers.
The EPOS based mowers from Husqvarna do in-fact cover up to 2.5 acres through (currently) 3 cutting patterns. Parallel, Checkerboard and Triangle depending on preference and the angle can be adjusted or varried to optimize any slopeside cutting.
So, in answer to your question, it should be a great fit for your lawn if you don not have an abundance of trees or other structures that could interefere with the RTK signal strength. You're welcome to head over to our website and see if there is a location near you or talk with our sales team about it more directly. Have a great day!"
Good review! Although, I must say, it’s a bit beyond my budget right now. 😅
How do you feel either of these units' GPS would handle large, mature shade trees? I would estimate I have shade covering about 25 to 30% of the yard. I also have a large old brick farmhouse with two outbuildings.
I have had pretty good results even with tree cover and buildings in the way. From my experience, the most important factor in success with EPOS is making sure that the reference station has a clear, unobstructed view of the sky.
-M
Forget connection coverage - what about twigs?
My yard is wooded and even after a walkaround my Lawndroid has about a 1 in 12 chance of making it through a complete mowing cycle and back to the dock without getting stuck on something... pretty burnt on that, and despite all the technology improvements on Luba I hear similar complaints.
@@apieceofstring I've got the same problem with the landlord vision. haven't gotten it to mow the lawn on a full cycle once yet, but my yard was pre-cut and no obstacles or twigs, just grass. would the luba do better?
Any idea on battery life, that is how many charges it will hold over its lifetime?
Most Lithium Ion batteries have between 2000-3000 charging cycles (3-5 years).
What about the after purchase service? I was told Mamotion is not that good... but it might be better nowadays.... (?)
Mammotion has a US based service center in CA where most repairs are performed if they cannot be resolved by troubleshooting or parts replacement by user.
Hello all - Can somebody explain this to me, pls... Does LUBA need the wifi connection for the whole lawn? Or only in charging station - or only during setup? Thank you
Great question. It only requires wifi connection when pairing on initial setup. After that it runs off of RTK and bluetooth.
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a different video review showed that it only needs wifi if you want to check on its status. but it can run through the yard without it
Battery comparison and number of rated cycles?
EPOS has a Lithium Ion compared to Luba which has a Lithium Polymer. LiPo batteries are typically going to last slightly less time than a Lithium Ion.
-M
Checked out the price, and wow, it’s cheaper than a lot of wired mowers! Their tests seem legit, but I already have one.
Just found a wireless robot lawn mower for $599, that’s like half the price of this one! They’re doing a Kickstarter right now!
Kickstarter = support a PROJECT, not a PRODUCT. No guarantee of delivery of anything.
Could you do something in the way of a video on cleaning both mowers- some say you can use water, some say you should not.
It is best to never take a hose to the mowers, especially the underside. We typically wait for a dry a period and scrape any dirt or buildup off with a handtool and use damp sponge/towel to wipe off the chassis.
I would have to say that no theft gps location on my $2500 auto mower would be a deal breaker
Just put an air tag up under the body or something.
I think the cause is that it has no means of communication if removed from the WiFi. The Luba itself probably knows it's location but have no means of communicating it.
Certainly understand the sentiment here. As another user commented, we are thinking about just putting an air tag or similar tracking device on them.
-M
Have they addressed that now as l see they have units shipping with a sim card and theft protection
I mow 3 acres. Have another 5 at back of my property that I bush hog twice a year. I do mow a walkong path around the perimiter of the back 5 acres. Would the luba be able to mow that perimeter as well as my 2.5 to 3 acres?
Thanks for the question. Mowing different paths through large fields is something I think is under-utilized, especially with the new wireless products. In regard to your question, I think you might be pushing the product a bit far with that total area. One unit may not be able to keep up. I am assuming you are looking for a quality finish on the 3 acres and just maintenance on the path, but I would be concerned that if the path gets too overgrown, it may become too much for the product to get through. That said, you could always contact our sales team and they can map out the property and help confirm the total area.
How is the quality of cut on Bermuda by the Luba? Can it be made to cut lower?
We have not tested it on Bermuda yet. We have seen very good results on St. Augustine. The Luba can cut as low as 0.9 inches
-M
LUBA AWD 5000 says 500m2 ... I have a region to cut of about 1000-1500.... can it work with 3 zones? or need to use a different product?
Which one would you choose if given the choice?
It all depends on which mower is best for your yard. Both are very cabable.
Great explanation
Thanks so much!
-M
Hi did you guys tested Heisenberg lawnmeister? If so what is your opinion, please let us know.
Great question! No, we have not had the opportunity to test or get our hands on the Heisenberg lawnmeister. We have been seeing it all over the place and are keeping an eye out for chances to check it out in-person.
@@AutmowRoboticMowing thank you and please through some light on down sides based on the specs of HOOKII NEOMOW X.
For me, when considering new hi-tech products like this at these price points, warranty is a big deal. If there's no guarantee after a year or two, then the product is a lot less attractive. Who is going to be able to fix one of these things if it breaks in three years? If I spend $3-6K on a tool, I need it to last for 10+ years. It may very well last that long, but its hard to part with that much money for something that is still a gamble.
Can you do a Luba v Kress RTK comparison please?
I would probably go with Luba, if they added a camera for obstacle detection. Because of this I will probably go with Blade. I have a dog a kid, both of them love to leave toys everywhere, even flat ones like a blanket, which wouldn't be detected by the ultrasound sensor on Luba. On the other hand I like the Luba is 4x4, even though my lawn is pretty flat, I think it gives it a better maneuverability. I wish we could have combination of both.
I bought the Blade. I'm mowing about 2.5 acres of rural lawn (somewhat rutty, with various tall and broad-leaf weeds amongst natural grass). The Blade is pretty impressive, super quiet, and does a beautiful cut. However, the omnidirectional front wheels are like a lint brush for small twigs and other debris where the horizontal rotation (smaller rollers) became non-functional pretty quick and need to be cleaned out with needle nose pliers. The back wheels' aggressive nobbies also collect dirt, leaves etc. and will spinout in soft areas, say, mole hills. In my small test runs I had to manually unstick the mower several times. Not ideal if I expect work to be done when I'm away. The lidar camera is very good, sometimes too good. The unit sometimes maneuvers around cuttable grass that stands a little taller than adjacent grass, as if it's a toy or obstruction, and it also seems to overthink the perimeter near a fence, stopping constantly to reassure itself to continue. I have not yet been able to get a complete mow for various technicalities, including spotty RTK connectivity. Customer service is prompt, responsive, and helpful, but I'm still not been able to use the thing as intended. It may be I'm not the ideal property for Blade. But if your lawn is a nice suburban carpet, like seen here, I would bet the Blade would be a good fit. I just bought the Luba. I'm hoping it proves to be a better fit for my property. I'll use them both as redundant workers.
@@realtoast7036 I'd be interested in how you feel the two compare after you get the Luba. Tag me with any comments you have. 🙂
@@charlessaftner4208 wasn't it mine video with the Blade getting stuck on a flat yard? :)
@@realtoast7036 I am still torn. On one hand the Blade does a great job. Most of the issues I have with it a purely software based and easily fixable. The front wheels are no problem for me and even after 5 days of use they stay clean. I don't have any trees in my yard yet, so that probably helps. I wish Luba had a camera and wish it was actually sold in my country, or at least be able to be delivered here. Another thing with Luba is that I heard it tends to tear up the lawn with the way it turns.
@ I think Luba only tears up the grass in front of the charging station. I haven't had any issues myself but I do have my charging station in front of a stone patio.
How do they work in residential if u need line of site? looking at the Luba but I have a single story no trees and thinking of mounting rtk to chimney, but back yard will see mower but not front of house or sides due to high roof. Longest distance is only 110ft.
As long as the RS has clear line of sight to the sky, you should be ok.
We have had a little better result with mounting it closer to the ground though oddly enough...
Both seem to work fine though.
-M
Some questions about Luba:
Does the RTK need to be line-of-site to the mower at all times?
I’m rural and only internet is via cell, no WiFi. Is that a deal breaker?
From where I would mount the RTK, my max distance to mower would be 700’. Will it do that?
No it doesn’t need line of sight.
Software updates would require wifi.
1:20 So are these intended for residential use as opposed to commercial?
It's how Husqvarna has branded the mowers. The 450EPOS is the "residential" line and the 550EPOS is the "commercial" line. The 550 will eventually come with a 5 blade cutting disc.
-M