Outlander 3x4 Reaction | Of Lost Things | Review & Breakdown
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- Author Anna Alexander watches and reacts to season three episode four of the series Outlander streaming now on Starz and Netflix.
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Lord John's particular friend that died at Culloden, was called Hector. They showed that scene as a deleted in the Blu-ray/dvd set. They were going to put it into the show, but decided it would be better for John to tell Jamie about it instead. They decided to keep Murtagh a live because Duncan LaCroix did such an amazing job with the Character, and a fans and production people like him, so they kept him alive. This is one change I really liked.
The end, where Jamie is riding away -- HIS FACE and the anguish. His heart is absolutely breaking and Sam does an amazing job of showing that clearly on his face. Sam is a very underrated actor, imo.
I adore him. He's so good.
I'm pretty sure that Geneva's parents knew Jamie was Willie's father. Geneva didn't make a secret of her preference for the Scottish groom before she was married off. The showrunners have said "mothers know all." And Lord Dunsany said things to Lord John (in one of the Lord John novels) about giving her too much freedom to go off on her horse when he was drunk and grief-stricken, and at the time John couldn't figure what that had to do with her dying in childbirth. But then he caught Jamie making penance/holding vigil to Geneva's body before her funeral, which sparked his suspicions. He wasn't completely sure until Willie was three, and he saw the two of them side-by side, with Willie mimicking Jamie's every move, which is also when Lord Dunsany asked Lord John to be Willie's guardian. They never said it in the show, even in later seasons, but Jamie later said in the books that the offer of his body to Lord John to protect Willie was actually a test to make sure he WASN'T like Black Jack Randall. If John had taken him up on it, Jamie would know he was a sexual predator and would have killed him (and faced the consequences for it) rather than let him have Willie. Fortunately, Lord John refused.
And yes, the Earl knew the baby wasn't his the whole time. The first couple months of the marriage/pregnancy he doted on her, trying to make her happy in the unequal marriage, but then the maids told on her and they had a huge blow up fight. He ultimately decided to claim the child as his own, as there were suspicions that he was sterile, which is why they never shared a bed. Then Geneva died, and he was stuck with her bastard. In the book, he said something despicable along the lines of "at least she gave me a boy and heir. I paid for that much." Lady Dunsany was depicted in the book and in the Lord John novels to be a rather clever woman, so I think she deliberately brought attention to Willie's resemblance to Jamie here, thinking that people would dismiss it as a funny coincidence and not possibly true if she pointed out. Lord John has used this as a strategy of misdirection as well. Tell people the absolute truth in such a matter-of-fact way that people will think you're joking.
If you try to think of them as parallel timelines, it can be difficult to line things up, but the big moments are a little easier to line up. Brianna was born Nov. 1948, which equals Nov. 1746 (7 months after Culloden). The timelines are 202 years apart. Jamie went to Helwater around when Claire graduated from medical school (1756=1958), so prison and medical school somewhat lined up. Brianna was 11 when Willie was born because he was born in January 1758 = January 1960. Frank died roughly around the time Jamie left Helwater (1764=1966). This brings us up to 18 years after Culloden. Claire and Brianna visited Scotland in 1968, which would be 1766 for Jamie, so we're a little further along Claire's timeline from Jamie's at the end of this episode.
That is a lot! Yeah...I'll get to the books. Eventually 🙄
Claire first impression when she finds out Jaimie survived was to go back. But as they searched for him and got ever more closer to finding him she started to get frightened. Afraid of leaving Brianna, afraid of doing all this searching only to find he died recently on the timeline, afraid he fell in love with someone else or married someone else and had a commitment to that person and possible children.
She also spent alot of time worrying if she could make it living in the 18th century after living so long in the 20th century. In the books there is one chapter where she arrives home from Scotland. She sees things as she is traveling to Boston where she asks herself, "Can I live without this? Or that?"
She gets out of the cab and sees these azalia bushes in front of her house. They are dried up and brown. The roots are barely below the surface, barely surviving. She grabs the hose and gives them only a tiny bit of water. Not enough to thrive - just survive...kinda how she has allowed her self to live for 20 years. And she says that if it weren't for Brianna she would I have yanked them out by now. So much had changed in Brianna's life lately that she refused to make even the slightest changes. Those plants were representative of herself...roots barely in the ground... Claire really belonged in 18th century Scotland...she barely survived for Brianna in the 20th century. And she says later on that it was Brianna who kept her tethered to the ground/earth in the 20th century.
Hector was a Lieutenant in Hal's regiment and 20 years old when he met John. Grey's attempts to capture Jamie Fraser prior to the Battle of Prestonpans were done in part to impress Hector, who in turn was one of the few people who didn't mock him for his own capture. Hector died during the Battle of Culloden.
There were a couple notes I failed to make earlier: The 'Hard Rains Gonna' Fall' at the end of the episode is perhaps one of the 3 or 4 best lead out music segments in the entire series... certainly one of the more memorable... excepting one that will be sung by the great Ray Charles next season. Also, I mentioned the next two truly GREAT episodes; FREEDOM & WHISKEY ans A MALCOM... ANNA, please note, that if you can make enough time to view/react to these episodes BACK-to-BACK, you WILL NOT be disappointed, trust me NO ONE EVER HAS as they watch. You can edit/post them as you would normally or want to alter your routine, BUT SEEING the two together heightens your Outlander experience!
Fiona does have a crush on Roger but what she REALLY wants is to be married and have her own house. When he realizes that Roger is NOT the one, she moves on and is happily married PDQ.
John is so much fun. I love the books about him. He's my 2nd favorite character after Roger (not counting Jamie & Claire).
William Clarence Henry George Ransom, 9th Earl of Ellesmere. Willie has reddish brown hair and Jamie's blue eyes. Plus Jamie's bone structure. When he's grown, he'll be as tall as Jamie. He's a handful and John had a time raising him. But John adores that boy like he's his own. Half the time, I want to thump the kid. The other half of the time, I want to hug him and feed him.
I agree that I typically like to stick to the books; however, Diana Galbadon has over 1,000 minor characters. If you can combine several minor characters with one beloved major character, it makes it easier for the audience
(Though I can't come up with any examples just now 🙄) I think there were some pretty important actions by minor characters.. I think it made sense that they wanted to keep those events in show but not necessarily the characters.. so Murtagh got those bits.
Willie was 6 when Jamie left Helwater.
That actor is also in Game of Thrones and the BBC Pride and Prejudice.
I agree that changing the story when going from book to show is bad, but this is a change I LOVE. Murtaugh is a smaller character in the book as well; the bit with the piece of tartan cloth in the jail happened in the book with a random prisoner, a teenage boy if I recall. They just used Murtaugh instead.
Brianna is rather forward, and Roger, being raised by a minister, is old fashioned, and I love how that affects their relationship. They're adorable!
I remembered they were cousins. Distant distant cousins. But still cousins. 🤪
@@AnnaAlexanderAuthor yeah, technically. Very, very removed lol!! Imagine trying to do a family tree...
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That'd be a funny looking tree.
@@AnnaAlexanderAuthor preach. I do genealogy as a hobby, and family trees look crazy enough without adding time travellers!!
Diana does include a family in Bees (the lastest book). It is something! Whoever figured out the layout is genius.. I wouldn't have been able to put that all together!! lol!
David Berry the actor who plays Lord John is Australian and he starred in an Australian Drama called A Place to Call Home.
I don't think it'd have worked at all for Jamie to tell Lord Dunsany. They would not have believed him and he'd be up a creek without a paddle. I also think Jamie - being as empathetic and compassionate as he is -- kind of felt a bit sorry for Geneva. And let's be real-- Jamie thought he'd never see Claire again, he had to be at least a tiny bit interested in sex with a beautiful woman (even if she blackmailed him) so there's that....I mean, he's still in his thirties at this point so the drive would surely still be there.
Ellesmere needed an heir. That's why he never said anything until after Geneva died. I love your reactions but they are totally unlike any others that I watch. You usually laugh when others are crying. Entertaining.
There's a reason I do that. It's a creater thing.
Anna... a truly great reaction to Hellwater, the Dunsanys including Lady Geneva Dunsany, and of course, Lord John and Willie. I especially like the line" "I'm not deflowering your daughter!" The twists and turns in this one seemed to really intrigue. And your disappointment was evident at Clare's decision to end the search for Jamie. Most surprising were the wildly unexpectedly mentions of two favorites of mine: Four Weddings and a Funeral and Sex Education. It was a super reaction for a wonderfully consequential episode ... however I'm afraid all of that pales in comparison to what comes next... IMHO, the next one (really two) are among the finest episodes of television ever made PURE EPIC Outlander!!! - FREEDOM & WHISKEY and A MALCOM. Anna and all, please enjoy F&W!
Yes that's Lily from sex education :-)
And lord Dancini was also the husband of one of the Bingley sisters in Pride and Prejudice 1995.
You said Frank should have divorced Claire sooner & had a family with Candy/Sandy. Remember that Frank was sterile. Bree was his only chance at a family.
I haven't read the Outlander books, but I did read the Sookie Stackhouse books after watching the True Blood show. Talking about Murtah dying at Culloden in the books made me think about True Blood. LaFayette's character died very quickly in the first book. When they had a test audience for True Blood, the audience really liked LaFayette, so they decided not to kill him off in the show.
Lafayette is the best!
I haven't read the books, but I'm sure John Grey joined army to be with his lover. Unfortunately his lover passed. Had absolutely nothing to do with Jack Randall. I this some of John Grey's family knew, maybe even the army. Maybe that's why he got sent to work at prison??? I remember Jaime saying what did he do to get sent here!
Yes, John had an acquaintance (who was not actually gay, but uncovered something scandalous about some powerful people) who was accused of being homosexual, punishable by hanging in those days. When hung, his neck didn't break. John was present, took pity, and pulled down on his body to quicken it and put him out of his agony. Dangerous for John. Luckily, he was also connected to some powerful people, and was whisked away to Scotland for a while to avoid anyone looking too closely into his own inclinations. Sort-of punishment, sort-of refuge.
In the book when Claire and Jamie met. She was 27 and he was supposedly 22 or so.
But she turns 26 right before they go to Lallybrock in the TV show....Gabeldon couldn't keep timeliness straight.
Oh, how I miss the days of mechanical cars - I used to be able to strip an engine, I'd be too paranoid to try these days...
If they will made remake live action of Fox and Hound, i Hope that Sam Heughan will voice Older Todd because this First part of book three the Voyager, where Jamie meets Geneva until they made Willie and until Jamie leaves Willie sadly to find a new job until he meets again Claire, it remind Fox and Hound where Todd, After the incident with Chief and After his owner Widow Tweed leaves him in the forest, tried to find a new home in the forest and even he didn't grown up in the forest for all Life and then he meets a hedgehog but Todd destroy accidental the Badger's home, that character that i hate him, and he remain alone homeless until he meets Vixey
Um, has it escaped you that Lord John is gay and in love with Jamie?
Honestly it’s not that spelled out in the series at first
Exactly. That was why that scene was so sad. That Jamie felt he had to sell his body in order for John to watch William. Or test John's loyalties by playing with his affections. He couldn't see that John honestly cared for him.