I understand going after Yuzu since the console it's emulating is current gen, but going after citra at this point makes no real sense. Nintendo hasn't made a dime on 3ds games and the system itself since they discontinued the line up as a whole.
@@zk0rned not true at all, the team could have left the website up and its repositories. But they chose to take everything down. Some members have stated they are done with emulation scene altogether. It's likely they will sell all properties pertaining to their LLC and file for bankruptcy to avoid paying all 2.4 million
One problem from a western perspective that people don't understand is that Japan has no concept of fair use. It's not even an idea in their legal system. They just see it as theft. I still think it's ill advised not to let people make content about your media but that's part of the reason Nintendo is such a hard ass about fair use.
Am I supposed to feel bad for pirating Nintendo games? Shit, that didn't cross my mind. Those poor big corpo suits will have to eat raw money tonight because I pirated ORAS
@@jimmymac2292 nah why would I do that. In fact I'm happy to they took down Yuzu and Citra. Now someone will make even better versions of those AND avoid making the same mistakes
@@S1EEPLES5 the Yuzu was fine itself, legally speaking. Nintendo already stated this in the lawsuit. So when forks of Yuzu come it. They will be fine. I was simply referring to "pirating games" and what devs do to counter this
*Any TH-camr defending Emulators, I will download all of their videos just in case TH-cam shuts down one day and we don't have access to them, I will then upload them to my own site and make it available for anyone to download and maybe charge a fee.* *Let us see if those TH-camrs who get paid from their videos agree with me doing that.*
Well then you will get sued for it and your website will be deleted, lol. You are doing an actual crime, People who emulate are not. is it morally ethical??. That would depend on the Company that's Publishing it + The Developers who made it. I personally don't give a single rats ass about Game Freak as they are downright terrible to their community, But I wouldn't pirate a game I haven't bought before from Hal Laboratories because that studio is genuinely one of the best studios that is owned by any Triple A Company to exist.
Associating yuzu with piracy is by far the most Nintendo lawyer sounding argument i have ever heard. By this logic it is now fair to associate any emulator with piracy as I can pirate games and play them on said emulator. Devs should also now sue GOG because the games sold there are DRM free and GOG is directly involved with people sharing DRM free games illegally.
Most really old games are defunct cost over 100 dollars and can't be bought new and plus open free emulators have better features than some propitiatory emulator that never gets improved, if the game is still being sold I'd buy it on a steam sale super cheap and play the game in the better free emulator
They prob got a really rough reality check and felt it was best to stay off Nintendo's radar entirely for a bit. $2.4m is scary enough to shut up and hide for a while.
@@M64bros I mean hes still right about what they said. However Harrasing people for owning a switch is not. I personally own a switch and every game I bought on there I felt like I got the most out of what I was buying for the price I bought it at
My friend and possibly me doesn't pirate games unless they are no longer sold digitally or are quite old. My friend and also maybe me feels that pirating recently launched games, especially indie games is extremely messed up. He would pirate SMT IV for 3ds but not Shovel Knight for 3ds since Shovel Knight is available for "modern" consoles but not SMT IV.
@@QuartzQuadrant I'm not I would just rather give my take that I've rarely seen, If I see a remaster that fits my honestly low standards I would probably buy it, I bought Abe's Odyssey and Abe's Exodus for Pete's sake and that was only a few years ago. not to mention I'm pretty sure those were just ports. I also completely understand not being able to do so, the reason I kept the statement to myself and also my friend who is probably not me is because my situation is a little more fortunate, and I understand even If I made almost no money I would be probably 5x more well off then a lot of people.
Just reading the comments sections of most of these videos/articles I’ve come to this conclusion. Most of the people complaining about this situation are pirating games. My favorite argument is that Nintendo switch games are too expensive so I’m going to pirate their games. Just try that logic ANYWHERE else in your life. Let me know how that works out.
Legend of Zelda would be almost unknown in Egypt without piracy due to the pricing that costs you a monthly salary, not that I play their legend of Zelda games since you have to "pray" to idols in-game but they don't have any marketing here.
No thats a fair argument given the context. Like why the fuck would ANYONE be interested in going on online shopping to shovel out thousands of dollars to buy a single game that was worth $60 just because a company is so fucking shit at maintaining their library. Of course you would go for emulation as an option because its free. and if that doesn't solve it, then theres the moral stance of the individual. where Nintendo is over 1000 feet down inside of the ground when it comes to a moral compass. So others would want to say "hey, fuck you nintendo" and pirate their games. Especially Gamefreak
Sadly, I agree… Yuzu really should have known better charging for certain access to Yuzu. I am a huge supporter of game preservation as well as emulation. However, Yuzu really should have seen the signs written on the wall that emulation of a system that’s still in production, as well as taking monetary gain from features. Was destined to die
@@temper8281 Nothing that was "sold" (it was open source, the patreon builds were just precomplied builds from public dev branches) used Nintendo's IP, all an emulator is is a program designed to run software designed for another piece of hardware. Now it could be argued that Yuzu devs were being stupid by explicitly advertising Yuzu as a way to play Switch games, but that's another issue
They used nintendo IP to market their emulator which they made money from. The issue i'm talking about is exactly that. Not about whether emulators are legal or not. To some extent, that doesn't even matter here. They used nintendo IP to advertise their emulator of which they made money which only happened because of the way they advertised nintendo games and use on switch
People who decry Nintendo as an "anti-consumer" company that doesn't listen to its fans and only cares about making money are so unserious. They will cry about not being able to play their older games that are no longer being sold, but when those games are re-released, they STILL fly the banner for piracy despite getting what they wanted. I'd rather pay 60 bucks for the Paper Mario Thousand Year Door remaster than pay over 300 for that one copy I saw at a local shop before it was announced.
The solution is NOT to cancel group who modify the game experience on projects Nintendo has abandoned or discontinued services for just because they can't profit off of it anymore. Nintendo choosing after years of no love for the retro community to sudden come in with open arms in the form of a subscription does not absolve Nintendo of cupability either you pathetic stan. It's a way how Nintendo finds the legal means to now have the right to retroactively deconstruct everything anyone has built for it by adopting the mentality: "We made it so you can buy our old games again w/o purchasing consoles. Emulators are no longer needed so shut it down" It's a smack in the face to anyone who's been a long term Nintendo fan. And it further breeds distaste in their legal departments practices.
@WhatIsMatter101 0 seconds ago "Morally correct" LOL sounds like the talking point of a hippie professor wanting to stick it to "the Man" while working for "the Man."
It's a shame, because I agree with you, however the video is of very low quality. It's quite clear you haven't really done a lot of research on this topic or performed basic due diligence. For example, based on your "why yuzu is wrong" chapter, it's obvious you haven't even read Nintendo's complaint in the suit, as you can't even parrot their arguments. Instead you are coming up with your own (legally unsound) justifications for why Nintendo is right "it was a for profit company", "it's current gen not retro emulation" etc. And then proceed to cite a case where Sony lost against a for profit company emulating their current gen hardware...
Devs: make free emulator so people don't have to buy People: playing them and give positive feedback Devs: get sued by Nintendo Also devs: blame every users Yeah Idk they start to deserved it
the big thing here (for me, anyway) was being able to buy a game, dump it, and be able to play it on hardware that can actually *run* it competently. botw/totk and pokemon had all had so many issues on the actual hardware, but on pc, they ran pretty well, after a little bit of tweaking on the emulator side. but as you said, making an emulator for a CURRENT gen system, with games that are still widely available/sold today, bad idea
Every win for Nintendo is a loss for humanity's players all around the world. Nintendo doesn't even give a crap about game preservation, proven by how they got rid of the 3DS Eshop. People need to understand that without piracy a lot of things could simply become lost in time, for example think of an underground cartoon you saw at the 70s, without piracy all the physical copies could end up destroyed and then lost eternally.
Game preservation is a fallacy argument. Please tell me with a straight face that you are copying ROMs so that future generations can play those games and not because you want to play them.
@@julianjuez But there are games on ebay that cost over hundreds of dollars that aren't sold new, the company is defunct, only the scalper profits and your moral grand standing proves what? cause your a Nintendo shill
As much as I hate that Yuzu does not exist now, I think whatever happened with them was for the greater good. Nintendo has the best first party studios of all the three. Plus their games are pure games not the "unfun cinematic experiences" that everyone is trying to make nowadays. So, I hope Nintendo gets all the money to make their games and no stealing takes place.
@gamecrisraps They also had patches for TOTK before the game was release hidden behind a paywall. Not only is it evidence they knowingly profited from piracy. But they violated DMCA for circumvention
The lawsuit against Yuzu wasn't for copyright infringement. It was mainly for circumvention of Switch security and aiding in piracy. But they had tons of Nintendo IP all over their website.
People in the comments are so stupid. They didn't specifically go after Citra as well. They just made them stop all emulation services so that they wouldn't just make yuzu 2. I swear the amount of people in the emu community who are so in denial that their services are used for piracy is nuts. They made a current gen emulator and got caught. Not a DS emulator or a Wii emulator. A Switch Emulator. Citra was hit in the crossfire, it wasnt the target so people need to stop crying. Yuzu was being used to steal. Time to accept that fact and move on.
Either you Never Pirate anything or you go balls off the wall and pirate everything, Thats the 2 Parties from what I can tell. then opinions like this get dog pilled on despite being the more morally correct opinion. in my personal opinion
this is honestly the take: recognizing that Nintendo historically has anti-fun policies but was objectively wronged in this case I'm fine with people wanting to emulate, especially older games like you mentioned, but there has to be some accountability for the emulator producers as well, which I think some modern precedence could've contributed like you were saying in the video
The problem is... Who cares if the Emulator is for a current system. You must not have heard of an N64 Emulator doing something similar. The Emulator isn't illegal nor wrong. Yuzu never provided keys for their emulator. They never provided roms for the emulator.
@@TakeshiInazuma they didn’t regulate people using it illegally either though, did they? saying it wasn’t their objective to practice illegal emulation doesn’t mean their users have the same idea in mind
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 if it was open source then they can't be held responsible for what users do on this, The only thing that would put them in hot water is promoting the leaked content
Interesting. My copy of Yuzu still works, I only used it to record a Metroid Dread a few a times after playing through it 50 times on the Switch with a legal physical copy. I didn't download any games I didn't already own so technically I'm in a grey area, but I thought the video said something about Yuzu discontinuing.
Probably because you already downloaded the application, So they can't force users to delete the application because that would be a whole different legal issue for them to tackle
Nintendo wasn't and will never be owed hardware sales. I am not going to pay 400 dollars to someone if all I get from the initial purchase is the priviledge of being allowed to make more purchases. Mario odyssey was not worth 460 dollars. BotW was not worth 460 dollars. FE was not worth 460 dollars. Sword/Shield wasn't even worth 60. For the cost of all those games and the console they come on you could buy a rig that could emulate tens of thousands of retro games plus play pc titles, or buy a vr headset and gain access to vr games, or a dozen other things. The switch (nor the ps4/xbone) was never worth choosing over PC and nintendo refuses to sell on other platforms long after microsoft and sony both realized consoles are a dying breed and started offering games on pc or even the competitor's system. The switch 2 is pretty much guaranteed to be realeased soon and the switch eshop still, AFTER SEVEN YEARS (not counting the lifecycle of the wii, wiiu, and 3ds), doesn't even offer enough of nintendo's own back catalog of retro games to even pretend to be worth considering over a retro emulation capable PC. Hell, they're trying to act like Disney by keeping certain retro games locked away for the sake of artificial scarcity. Plus all the extra fees they tack on like having to pay for multiplayer or having to pay extra money to transfer caught creatures in their decades long flagship series which is exclusively about catching creatures. Having a monopoly over how certain software can be played was what Bleem v Sony was about and sony caved instantly on that. If nintendo or sony or xbox or anyone want more game sales than their existing console playerbase gives them then they need to sell multiplatform games and if they want hardware sales they need to offer a console worth buying on some merit other than artificial scarcity. The wii was legitimately worth buying for the control scheme. The 3ds was legitimately worth buying for the screen and the portability. The switch is too expensive to actually be portable, was never beefy enough to be better than a pc, and few games utilized the motion controls beyond gyro aim. People like you and the suits at nintendo love doing napkin math to say "look, if X percent of pirates bought our games we'd have 87 morbillion dollars, so that means piracy is bad" but never consider that for the pirates who aren't pirating because they're poor near 100% of them find some aspect of your business so flawed that they would never interact with the game at all if piracy wasn't an option. PS4/5 emulation isn't possible (yet) but I care so little about the consoles as a whole that I'm more than willing to forget about the few exclusives worth playing than even contemplate buying the consoles. Emulation was the only reason I even kept nintendo on my radar the last seven+ years and if somehow nintendo magically made switch2 emulation impossible then they immediately become completely irrelevant to me until they start offering titles on PC or a console actually worth buying. If nintendo or their fanboys want me to buy their games then I need to actually be allowed to play the games I buy without a $400 membership card plus annual fees.
Relax dude, There's no need to write a giant ass essay about it! The Video actually is right, I find it a laughable embarrassment People are defending an emulator that was monetized that had patches behind the scenes on patreon
@@M64bros 1) There is nothing wrong with having a lot to say. Better to have too much to say than not think at all 2) Yuzu was free, patreon just gave early access. There's nothing wrong with that and even if it was paywalled legal precedent has established that emulators can be sold 3) Yuzu could never be as shameless and embarassing as nintendo. With nintendo's history of anticonsumer practices any gloating from emudevs or anyone else is small potatoes and entirely deserved
@@M64bros Maybe I'm mistaken but I'm pretty sure you are allowed to monetize emus for currentgen. Bleem v sony was about this and there's other legal precedent for it. My understanding is that the two major legal angles are anti-monopoly, so bleem v sony, and general consumer protections. The only area where yuzu was explicitly in violation of the law is their realtime decryption which runs afoul of laws against drm circumvention. If there is some law to the effect of "you cannot make money providing emulators for consoles still in production" then I'd unironically love to read it
Instead they release it on the 3rd most sold console ever and probably the most sold console ever before the production will be stopped, making tons of money. Crazy huh?
Because gamers are the most entitled people ever. The only argument they have is every game should be on PC. But console exclusives have been a thing forever.
you know that pirate copies existed during the DS days too right? like Jesus H Christ the 4th gen pokemon games are some of the most pirated games in excistence and i dont see the pokemon franchise being in any danger! people who pirate switch games are people who would not have bought them to start with. i myself did not like the yuzu team for other reasons, and of course them saying "ItS nOt OuR fAuLt PeOpLe UsE oUr EmUlAtOr To EmUlAtE" is idiotic, but wtf are they supposed to say? "yeah use our emulator to pirate the ever loving christ out of nintendos IPs"? plus its nintendos fault the made a console so easy to emulate. the fucked up, we exploided their fuck up and now they are crying cuz we did. its their fault, and now they paying the price.
Nice victim blaming there, dude. "If they just made a more hard to hack system, we wouldn't be pirating!" THE 3DS was, for the longest time, one of the harder systems to crack until someone found am exploit and homebrew for the system was blown wide open.
Nintendo didn't sue because of the emulator itself. They even stated in the lawsuit the emulator is perfectly legal, that it doesn't contain any of their ip
Yuzu does not equal, facilitate or recommend piracy. People pirating Tears of the Kingdom, or any Switch game, can play it on a hacked Switch. Yuzu is not at fault whatsoever for people pirating anything. Yuzu also instructs users to use their own dumped games, as well as files dumped from their own Nintendo Switch for the emulator to even work. People finding workarounds are the actions of those who defy Yuzu's intended use. Emulation does not imply piracy, nor does piracy imply emulation. While they can overlap, it comes at no fault from the emulator since it is not officially required or suggested. Owning a brick is not illegal. Smashing someone's head with it is. Even if people at Nintendo still take issue with a modern gen emulator that does support the legal owning of their systems and games, that definitely should not apply to Citra. All that aside, much respect to you for holding your head high with this video. It being an unpopular opinion has not shaken you, and you seem more than prepared for any backlash.
I agree and disagree with your points lol. Emulation is tough. If we lived in an idealistic world, no one would ever use them for piracy. But that's just not the case. I think if you're really honest with yourself about why people use emulators, it's difficult to avoid the giant elephant in the room that is theft. People are mad lol. That's fine. Debate is important. Most of these people who are so triggered in the comments would also be the first to complain if companies stopped making great games due to theft.
Sure, Nintendo may be right in this case, but the very video you are making right now probably upsets Nintendo because it shows footage of Nintendo games.
Great research, great commentary, no filler, great editing and actually making a good point with a great argument to back it up. You've got yourself a new subscriber
No, they are absolutely not right lol, nintendo like usual is just trying to stomp out emulation, as they have for 25+ years. Yuzu had nothing to do with totk being leaked or even being PLAYED on the emulator. Other people created a patch to run the game, again, nothing to do with the people at yuzu. Also they did nothing wrong with having a paypal for donations, emulation is incredibly hard work for a console even 20+ years old, for a current 2024 console? Its near im-fucking possible. Theres nothing wrong with them getting compensated for there time. They also only gave instructions to extract code from carts that were LEGALLY bought. Its my copy of a game, i can do what ever i want with it.
@@S1EEPLES5 What if you wanted to sell that car you engineered but now you can't because everyone can just copy what you manufactured without consequences. Yeah... Seems fair right?
Yuzu was wrong indeed but you wrong about why. You miss the point about pay wall for update that actually allow playing totk some week before realese. In summary they gain money because of totk... But no, there no issue with emulation. The problem is video game concervation and exclusivity.
Yuzu did not paywall the ability to play TOTK. It was other users of Yuzu who made custom builds that could play the game. But yes I agree with your second point.
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 Yea... What I mean is, they did receive an increasing amount of donation during totk leak. It's not their fault but probably enough for Nintendo. If there was no feature (like early access build) behind any paywall, I bet that story would be different. Also there nothing wrong to make custom build of FOSS. It's maint be forked X)
The Yuzu devs messed up here tho people dont wanna do some research and yall just want to yap There are 3 reasons why Nintendo sued them and its not because Nintendo hates emulation because emulation is legal even tho i also believe Nintendo wants Emulation to die lol but thats not the point of this conversation.
Nintendo didn't win anything, Yuzu didn't want to fight, they just threw in the towel before it started, to avoid paying more. A million lawyer vs a billion lawyer isn't winning that case. Nintendo's arguement is always if their name is linked with anything, they own 100% of it.
Yuzu wouldn't have a case for what Nintendo was Sueing them for. The reason was because they locked some of their features behind a paywall for their users to buy, which is illegal because you're gaining money off of someones work
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 I don't think its unreasonable to say Don't Emulate a Console thats still having content put into it. when it dies then emulate it. if its still ongoing then don't emulate it. Although at the same time its more of an ethical situation, I personally don't think Nintendo has done enough for Emulation of Switch games to be justifiable yet. (With the Exception of Game freak. I could give 0 rats asses about how they think about Emulation, Modding, taking elements from their games for your own games, etc)
We have to remember that Nintendo are the creators from the next generation - After the golden era' of videogame-Coin-op era. Even though there are couple competitors at the time building the hometitle of consoles, Nintendo were the ones who launched pioneer-ic to the advantage they carried with their technology. In my opinion, Nintendo went ahead of their time to input a chip inside their gaming consoles to avoid any piracy by any other party because of course it's a loss of revenue to be reselling like Supreme Clothing. Nintendo is like any insurance company on top of the pyramid scheme. Yeah it sucks but this is rational. If you don't have the money for a new copy, good luck scoring a pre owned copy.
Thank you! I get sad that people don't understand that fun is not above money when you have a company that has employees. People bash on Nintendo because nostalgia is not supported properly by them, but honestly: What incentive do you have to re-launch a title that has been pirated over several years with better mods and bug-fixes? What chance do you have to do that if you know you can't control your OWN IPS!! If Anyone here was in charge of Nintendo, seeing how much it costs to make a game and having no control over public demand at your OWN products because someone made a "passion project" about it that violates laws, you would have to make your case clear in order to remain in business and stop the line-blurrers.
" 2:58 - 4:01 " Emulation is not piracy nor is involved with the process of piracy itself. PLAYING a pirated game is not the same as pirating a game. Those are two different things. Thats one of the reasons why emulators are legal in the first place. As long as Yuzu did not have any download links to any of Nintendos IP they were not causing or facilitating piracy itself. Maybe you could argue that they made playing pirated games easier which would be fair, but its not the same argument as saying they caused or facilitated piracy in the first place. Also the argument of "Yuzu was using Nintendos IPs to make money". They were not* (I will clarify the "*" in the second to last paragraph). They never sold or distributed Nintendos copyrighted works and using screenshots of games running on your emulator is legal and would fall under fair use just like the emulator itself. Another thing is that emulator developers are legally allowed to make money off their own work even if the emulator is for a current console. The console being on the market is irrelevant to the legality of the emulator making money or the developers profiting from it. Sony vs Bleem proved this because Bleem! was an entirely for profit emulator yet still won against Sony. Sonys main complaint in that lawsuit is that Bleem! was using screenshots of the emulator running PS1 games to market it. But of course since Bleem! won there is now legal precedent for emulator developers to make money and market themselves. Its a good thing that emulator developers can make money off of the emulators they make because making an emulator is NOT EASY. It requires much time and dedication just to get something that generally works yet alone works perfectly. Just like how the developers at Nintendo should be allowed to make money off their own work the developers of emulators should be allowed to make money off the emulators they make as well. Of course Im not saying that Tropic Haze is 100% in the right here. Their not. One of problem with what they were doing to me is that they were giving perks to there patrions that allowed them to have early access to in development builds of Yuzu. This partially defeats the purpose of a open source project since the idea of open source is to have everyone have equal access to the code of the emulator. There was also the issue involving Tears of the Kingdom leaks were people were giving Yuzu money in the hopes that the in development Yuzu build would allow TOTK to be played early. Fortunately this did not work for the pirates, however Yuzu should not have been profiting off people who want to play a pirated game. I said "not*" is for this reason because you could argue that Yuzu profiting off of pirates is bad because Nintendo should have gotten that money in this situation not Yuzu. Keep in mind pirates would normally not pay emulator developers because the emulator itself is usually free to download but due to the false hope of being able to play TOTK early on the Yuzu in development builds they payed Yuzu for the builds. Pirates eventually solved this their issue of playing early by making their own builds which could play TOTK early. If Tropic Haze would have stuck to making money off of purely optional donations with no perks then they might still be here now. Overall a mostly fair video. I don't think this video deserves all the dislikes it got and you make some good points. I wrote this comment just to clarify some of the confusion in this situation. Hope this helps.
yuzu did do some really stupid things, but that doesn't make Switch emulation wrong. I should have every right to play my Nintendo games that I bought on a piece of hardware that isn't a shitty budget Android tablet from 7 years ago. I get that Nintendo has a huge piracy problem, but the right way to fix it is to start putting their games on PC.
You realize they're not going to put their games on PC anytime soon, Besides Yuzu did monetize their emulator and put patches behind a paywall on patreon. I also emulate as well but I find that extremely stupid of Yuzu to monetize their emulator
@@TheAbsol7448I Hate to be honest but they're not going to do it anytime soon, Considering the fact they're targeting towards casual gamers and make the consoles just the way they are, it's totally reasonable. But hey! it would be very cool if they did though, However, the closest we got was the mobile games even though no one talks about those anymore.
Bro thinks playing same games but on better hardware is bad for the gaming industry and bro even protects Nintendo , they 100% paid him to make this vid Yuzu didnt allow to steal games , it allowed for their use No , it was NINTENDO getting too high smelling their own farts and forgot that emulators are 100% legal and by suing em they destroy the gaming industry piece by piece Yuzu doesnt RIP off anything Yuzu didnt pirate anything so the cost isn't on them And yes u can pirate and activly love a companies games , pirating from Nintendo is allways moral
While the PC pirates harass and insult anyone for enjoying those games on switch hardware, This video is telling the truth and I find it a laughable embarrassment People are defending an emulator that was monetized.
the Lawsuit of why Yuzu died isn't because of Piracy, its because they were putting features of the emulation behind a paywall. which in ANY situation is absolutely illegal.
@@M64bros Yeah honestly they played Russian roulette after hearing the rules of the game, so they got sniped because of that. No one elses fault but their own
Blaming the emulator bexaue of the leak issue is like blaming windows for piracy too. Nintendo is morally in the wrong. Also piracy is only more of a mixed issue if it involved recent games where actual developers are being paid so I can understand that part but Nintendo was still not in the right. Also innocently making money off original victimless code isn't wrong. Nintendo doesn't morally own the idea of emulating certain switch games. Maybe Nintendo could of gone after the original leaker.
Funnily enough its one of the most Mixed Topics because of Nintendo actually having some standardes with their games. If people attacked users for pirating a game from a company like: Ubisoft. Blizzard or Bethesda for an example. Then They are just complete and utter fucking dumbasses. Hands Down. No Moral Dilemma there. Just Emulate their games
@@M64bros I watched the entire video. And yes, he was also negative about Nintendo and hoped they'd make games for other consoles, BUT the video was about Yuzu and he was completely on the side of Nintendo there. Wanting one thing, but hating the other thing, it just does not make sense and it's just crying over people making a living with a passion project while not hurting anyone.
@@vief6822 Exactly, Also the fact that Yuzu was monetized while the switch Is still sound to the public isn't really the best idea. No matter whenever an emulator gets strike down or if a fan game gets removed from Nintendo's DMCA legal team, it still remains on the internet forever.
@@M64bros That is the issue. What they did was risky, but it wasn't illegal at all. Nintendo has not won a legal case, they just intimated them till they threw the towel themselves. Imagine a store was burned by the Mafia and instead of being against the Mafia, you explain the store owner that he was stupid. You are victim blaming.
@@tompaauwe4565 There's 8 billion people on this planet, I'm a huge Nintendo fan but I am not buying a shitty console from 2017 to have N64 framerate and at OG Xbox resolution and I know there's a lot of people that share this sentiment
@tompaauwe4565 SO when Sony ports their games do they make more or less money? Spoiler they make more because believe it or not TONS of PC gamers like myself will buy a superior version of a game they can still charge 60 bucks for.
FINALLY AND YES!!!! Someone that actually sees the Truth about the yuzu situation! I've been trying to tell people the truth but all they did was just call me a white knight, Meat Rider and bootlicker, Thank you so much for making this video! I'm so glad I'm not the only one that knows the behind the scenes truth about the yuzu situation
@@zk0rned At least I don't *Harass and insult others for owning a Nintendo switch, Defending an emulator that was monetized that had patches behind a paywall on patreon.* I also have a steam deck, PlayStation 5 and an Xbox series s as well the only differences I don't say one is better than the other considering the fact that the *console wars don't exist*
@@zk0rned You want to know something else that's *cringe,* Defending an emulator that was monetized that had patches locked behind a paywall on patreon and deleting your response towards me which sounds very *cringe* to me.
@@M64broslet's not pay attention to TH-camrs that cringely talk shit on the Godzilla franchise thinking 98% percent of his films suck ass while praising on 1954, Shin Godzilla, and Minus One ever since they all act like Doktor Skipper wannabes and just enjoy the Godzilla movies
Emulation encourages piracy period NOT preservation. This is why we are heading directly to an all digital pay service system. It’s an answer for game comps to combat piracy.
I've been saying, that if the gaming community was serious about preservation, they would look for legislative means. The film industry has done this and has a committee in charge of film preservation and making older films accessible to the public
The Reason we are heading directly to an all digital pay service system is because it gives companies more money. thats literally the only reason. this literally has nothing to do with Emulating. even remotely
@tallyikroe2476 But the means of preservation are not secure. Relying on sites that can be removed at any notice is not viable. This is why legitimate legislation, similarly to how the movie industry has is the only true legitimate means to preservation.
@@samt_stephens I have a good feeling It's going to be more successful! These PC Fanboys know we're telling the truth and they always find excuses to try their absolute hardest to prove us wrong and they're too pissy to admit it. 👍🏻
I never would have bought a switch if i had to buy all the games, they are stupid expensive and nintendo deals with way too much anti-consumer practises. So in my case piracy actually made nintendo money. 🤷 So if piracy scares a billion dollar company because they could make an even more heinous amount money by doing shit like this, i say fuck'em, same with ubisoft, EA and activision.
I am partially with you on this. Even the biggest, richest company in the world can go bankrupt if they make a single bad strategic decision. Ask companies like Kodak or Nokia. I am 100% against emulators. Nintendo is the one who puts the effort, investments and creativity to create games we all love playing. They take the risks. If you use an emulator (even for a discontinued console / game) you just want to profit for free from the efforts and risks of others. The part I disagree with is that final statement: "[...] and the sooner they can come back to reality to work with, not against their player-base, the better". You assume that the reality is that players want to pay for games. My experience tells me that people in general, not just gamers, want everything for free. Why do so many people share their Netflix and Spotify accounts? Why did millions download mp3 songs in the past?. I think your video would have been more complete if you had included a suggestion of how that cooperation with their player-base could look like. Are you hinting, for instance, at porting their older games to PC and charge a small amount for them to be played on PCs? This wouldn't work because Nintendo might want to remake those games on newer consoles and less people would buy them because they have already played them on PC. There is no easy solution to this problem so I think Nintendo is doing the right thing from a business point of view.
I agree with you on this as well, I'm just really happy I found the right video and the right comment that explains the real truth about the yuzu situation!
Emulating games from 30 years ago isn't hurting Nintendo at all, Emulating anything upto WiiU does not hurt Nintendo at all, those consoles are all out of production and the games are no longer sold, corporate America sure has convinced you they profit off of games for eternity when the only ones profiting off old games are resellers.
Great points. I agree there will always be a percentage of consumers who don't want to pay for anything. But people seem to be really prone to steal from Nintendo specifically because of the company's anti-consumer behavior over the last decade. I think it's reasonable to assume that if customers have convenient and fair options available to them, most people will buy. That's why even though pirating exists and people do share accounts, Netflix, Spotify, etc are billion dollar giants. It's just way easier to pay $10-20 a month to get safe, easy, legal entertainment than deal with the risks associated with torrents. Maybe Nintendo can bring certain titles to PC on a delayed release and offer occasional discounts after the bulk of purchases have been made.
@@KaosDeathLord that is where I respectfully disagree on, and what I think most people fail to accept: neither you nor I are the president of Nintendo to know whether emulating old games now will hurt the company in the future or not. Hypothesis: let's say Nintendo releases a new game of an old, forgotten IP. This game is a total success. They might want to release that forgotten game as a remake for full price (after all, many new gamers have never played old games)... This strategy might not be possible if the game was already available on PC (may be it is, WE JUST DONT KNOW). There are other possible scenarios but it all comes down to respecting somebody else's property. I might not have used my old Chevy for many years, this does not give others the right to just take it from me and go for a drive. It is mine and I do what I want with it. You probably use the same approach with your own properties, don't you? Or may a neighbor just come to your house and kiss your wife just because she has not been kissed for an amount of time that the neighbor unilaterally deems too long?
most nintendo games are shit, sorry lol and you nailed it, it is for kids, adults.. pfft. hardly. Adults shouldnt be into pokemon, if it was good, if it had actual depth, if the devs of the games even tried, maaaybe.. but thinking about SV.. lol, we're all fkd in the head xD
I agree with you. I can be against piracy and agree the Switch's hardware is a joke. It's speculated that the Switch 2 might be as powerful as a PS4. So a little late to the game, but they'll get there
@@Matt-ir1ky Make themselves basically Superior, Even if the emulator itself gets removed, It's still going to remain on the internet. However, monetizing it while the switch is still being sold is not the best idea from my point of view.
I understand going after Yuzu since the console it's emulating is current gen, but going after citra at this point makes no real sense. Nintendo hasn't made a dime on 3ds games and the system itself since they discontinued the line up as a whole.
Emulation is not illegal though they have no legal nor moral right to go after them
Nintendo didn't target Citra and it wasn't part of the lawsuit.
@@jimmymac2292 That's called strong arming
@@jimmymac2292 It's pretty obvious that Nintendo pulled legal mafia shit on them by intimidating them into taking it down
@@zk0rned not true at all, the team could have left the website up and its repositories. But they chose to take everything down. Some members have stated they are done with emulation scene altogether. It's likely they will sell all properties pertaining to their LLC and file for bankruptcy to avoid paying all 2.4 million
“L-leave the multibillion dollar company alone” ahh video
Looks like someone didn't even watch the entire video
@@M64bros I did I’m just a hater
@@GothaholicPookzi Real
Based LittleBigPlanet enjoyer
@@GothaholicPookzi ..the name checks out.
One problem from a western perspective that people don't understand is that Japan has no concept of fair use. It's not even an idea in their legal system. They just see it as theft. I still think it's ill advised not to let people make content about your media but that's part of the reason Nintendo is such a hard ass about fair use.
Am I supposed to feel bad for pirating Nintendo games?
Shit, that didn't cross my mind. Those poor big corpo suits will have to eat raw money tonight because I pirated ORAS
Don't have to feel bad. Just don't complain about DRM and encryption measures.
@@jimmymac2292 nah why would I do that. In fact I'm happy to they took down Yuzu and Citra. Now someone will make even better versions of those AND avoid making the same mistakes
@@S1EEPLES5 the Yuzu was fine itself, legally speaking. Nintendo already stated this in the lawsuit. So when forks of Yuzu come it. They will be fine.
I was simply referring to "pirating games" and what devs do to counter this
@@jimmymac2292 oh, simple misunderstanding then. My bad
bro didnt watch the video
*Any TH-camr defending Emulators, I will download all of their videos just in case TH-cam shuts down one day and we don't have access to them, I will then upload them to my own site and make it available for anyone to download and maybe charge a fee.*
*Let us see if those TH-camrs who get paid from their videos agree with me doing that.*
he has 300 subs hes not making money in the first place
Emulators are not piracy. This is a false equivilency.
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 almost nobody uses them for non piracy reasons
Well then you will get sued for it and your website will be deleted, lol. You are doing an actual crime, People who emulate are not. is it morally ethical??. That would depend on the Company that's Publishing it + The Developers who made it. I personally don't give a single rats ass about Game Freak as they are downright terrible to their community, But I wouldn't pirate a game I haven't bought before from Hal Laboratories because that studio is genuinely one of the best studios that is owned by any Triple A Company to exist.
TiVo2Go
Tone down the edgelord sh!+ and touch grass.
Associating yuzu with piracy is by far the most Nintendo lawyer sounding argument i have ever heard. By this logic it is now fair to associate any emulator with piracy as I can pirate games and play them on said emulator. Devs should also now sue GOG because the games sold there are DRM free and GOG is directly involved with people sharing DRM free games illegally.
Yeah it’s stupid and even crazier that they got shills glazing them for free.
Most really old games are defunct cost over 100 dollars and can't be bought new and plus open free emulators have better features than some propitiatory emulator that never gets improved, if the game is still being sold I'd buy it on a steam sale super cheap and play the game in the better free emulator
Ok... why force em to kill citra too then
REAL
they didnt they sued the creator so even if it wasnt related to the case if it was made by same dev it getting shut down
@@hazemimam6826 This was a choice the Devs made and wasn't part of the lawsuit
They prob got a really rough reality check and felt it was best to stay off Nintendo's radar entirely for a bit. $2.4m is scary enough to shut up and hide for a while.
Useless trivia for "game preservationists" (ARHH!): The only legal ROMs to emulate are public domain ROMs. 3DS ROMs aren't public domain.
Remember, pirating Nintendo games is always ok! 👍
While harassing and insulting people for owning a switch
*Media piracy is morally correct
Why
@@ReubenModeXXX because its Nintendo
@@M64bros I mean hes still right about what they said. However Harrasing people for owning a switch is not. I personally own a switch and every game I bought on there I felt like I got the most out of what I was buying for the price I bought it at
My friend and possibly me doesn't pirate games unless they are no longer sold digitally or are quite old. My friend and also maybe me feels that pirating recently launched games, especially indie games is extremely messed up. He would pirate SMT IV for 3ds but not Shovel Knight for 3ds since Shovel Knight is available for "modern" consoles but not SMT IV.
Scared for no reason, it's not even that deep.
Piracy is piracy, doesn’t matter how old the game is. Don’t try to morally grandstand.
@QuartzQuadrant No, it's not.
@@QuartzQuadrant Just shut up, and accept it already.
@@QuartzQuadrant I'm not I would just rather give my take that I've rarely seen, If I see a remaster that fits my honestly low standards I would probably buy it, I bought Abe's Odyssey and Abe's Exodus for Pete's sake and that was only a few years ago. not to mention I'm pretty sure those were just ports. I also completely understand not being able to do so, the reason I kept the statement to myself and also my friend who is probably not me is because my situation is a little more fortunate, and I understand even If I made almost no money I would be probably 5x more well off then a lot of people.
Just reading the comments sections of most of these videos/articles I’ve come to this conclusion. Most of the people complaining about this situation are pirating games.
My favorite argument is that Nintendo switch games are too expensive so I’m going to pirate their games.
Just try that logic ANYWHERE else in your life. Let me know how that works out.
"Most of the people complaining about this situation are pirating games. " How exactly did you come to this conclusion?
Legend of Zelda would be almost unknown in Egypt without piracy due to the pricing that costs you a monthly salary, not that I play their legend of Zelda games since you have to "pray" to idols in-game but they don't have any marketing here.
No thats a fair argument given the context. Like why the fuck would ANYONE be interested in going on online shopping to shovel out thousands of dollars to buy a single game that was worth $60 just because a company is so fucking shit at maintaining their library. Of course you would go for emulation as an option because its free. and if that doesn't solve it, then theres the moral stance of the individual. where Nintendo is over 1000 feet down inside of the ground when it comes to a moral compass. So others would want to say "hey, fuck you nintendo" and pirate their games. Especially Gamefreak
Bruh-lm4zr
Because it's obvious. What?
You lost your common sense?
Sadly, I agree…
Yuzu really should have known better charging for certain access to Yuzu. I am a huge supporter of game preservation as well as emulation. However, Yuzu really should have seen the signs written on the wall that emulation of a system that’s still in production, as well as taking monetary gain from features. Was destined to die
There was writing on the wall? Were? I don't think anyone saw this coming.
Was skeptical then 3:35 happened. You are 100% right lmao.
It is not illegal to profit off an emulator of a current console
@@HunsterMonterIf you sell a product using someone elses IP then yes it is.
@@temper8281Exactly!
@@temper8281 Nothing that was "sold" (it was open source, the patreon builds were just precomplied builds from public dev branches) used Nintendo's IP, all an emulator is is a program designed to run software designed for another piece of hardware. Now it could be argued that Yuzu devs were being stupid by explicitly advertising Yuzu as a way to play Switch games, but that's another issue
They used nintendo IP to market their emulator which they made money from.
The issue i'm talking about is exactly that. Not about whether emulators are legal or not. To some extent, that doesn't even matter here. They used nintendo IP to advertise their emulator of which they made money which only happened because of the way they advertised nintendo games and use on switch
People who decry Nintendo as an "anti-consumer" company that doesn't listen to its fans and only cares about making money are so unserious. They will cry about not being able to play their older games that are no longer being sold, but when those games are re-released, they STILL fly the banner for piracy despite getting what they wanted. I'd rather pay 60 bucks for the Paper Mario Thousand Year Door remaster than pay over 300 for that one copy I saw at a local shop before it was announced.
a n64 game should not be sold for 60 bucks
Have you ever considered said "re-releases" are notoriously bad with garbage framerate and bad resolutions
Yeah? But they're objectively worse than the original version by far? Stop bootlicking homie
@@S1EEPLES5 Metroid Prime Remastered runs smoother than your brain
The solution is NOT to cancel group who modify the game experience on projects Nintendo has abandoned or discontinued services for just because they can't profit off of it anymore.
Nintendo choosing after years of no love for the retro community to sudden come in with open arms in the form of a subscription does not absolve Nintendo of cupability either you pathetic stan. It's a way how Nintendo finds the legal means to now have the right to retroactively deconstruct everything anyone has built for it by adopting the mentality: "We made it so you can buy our old games again w/o purchasing consoles. Emulators are no longer needed so shut it down"
It's a smack in the face to anyone who's been a long term Nintendo fan. And it further breeds distaste in their legal departments practices.
Pirating Nintendo games is always morally correct
While harassing and insulting gamers for owning a Nintendo switch
Because they won't archive them
*Media piracy is morally correct
@WhatIsMatter101
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"Morally correct"
LOL sounds like the talking point of a hippie professor wanting to stick it to "the Man" while working for "the Man."
It's a shame, because I agree with you, however the video is of very low quality. It's quite clear you haven't really done a lot of research on this topic or performed basic due diligence.
For example, based on your "why yuzu is wrong" chapter, it's obvious you haven't even read Nintendo's complaint in the suit, as you can't even parrot their arguments. Instead you are coming up with your own (legally unsound) justifications for why Nintendo is right "it was a for profit company", "it's current gen not retro emulation" etc. And then proceed to cite a case where Sony lost against a for profit company emulating their current gen hardware...
Don't you just love it when clout-chasers F around and find out?
Devs: make free emulator so people don't have to buy
People: playing them and give positive feedback
Devs: get sued by Nintendo
Also devs: blame every users
Yeah Idk they start to deserved it
Yuzu was technically making money.
the big thing here (for me, anyway) was being able to buy a game, dump it, and be able to play it on hardware that can actually *run* it competently. botw/totk and pokemon had all had so many issues on the actual hardware, but on pc, they ran pretty well, after a little bit of tweaking on the emulator side. but as you said, making an emulator for a CURRENT gen system, with games that are still widely available/sold today, bad idea
I have more subscribers than you for significantly less effort
Every win for Nintendo is a loss for humanity's players all around the world. Nintendo doesn't even give a crap about game preservation, proven by how they got rid of the 3DS Eshop. People need to understand that without piracy a lot of things could simply become lost in time, for example think of an underground cartoon you saw at the 70s, without piracy all the physical copies could end up destroyed and then lost eternally.
Game preservation is a fallacy argument. Please tell me with a straight face that you are copying ROMs so that future generations can play those games and not because you want to play them.
@@julianjuezI actually can tell with a straight face, and also that I'm not paying thousands of dollars for a copy rare physical copy.
@@julianjuez But there are games on ebay that cost over hundreds of dollars that aren't sold new, the company is defunct, only the scalper profits and your moral grand standing proves what? cause your a Nintendo shill
the switch is still on the market what the hell are you preserving
@@julianjuez Its not a fallacy on its own to say that emulation preserves games.
As much as I hate that Yuzu does not exist now, I think whatever happened with them was for the greater good. Nintendo has the best first party studios of all the three. Plus their games are pure games not the "unfun cinematic experiences" that everyone is trying to make nowadays. So, I hope Nintendo gets all the money to make their games and no stealing takes place.
you can purchase mgs2 for PC for a long time now, wtf are you talking about?
if they made consoles that were good enough and had prices that were affordable to the millions, they wouldnt be affected by leaks as much as this.
A perfect product (if it was possible to make such a thing) does not prevent leaks. Leaks exist because of people, not because of imperfect products.
its just saying my house is not locked so you can enter it without permission even its illegal lol
Where’s the proof yuzu as a company engaged in copyright infringement?
They were leaking roms in their private discord.
@gamecrisraps They also had patches for TOTK before the game was release hidden behind a paywall. Not only is it evidence they knowingly profited from piracy. But they violated DMCA for circumvention
The lawsuit against Yuzu wasn't for copyright infringement. It was mainly for circumvention of Switch security and aiding in piracy. But they had tons of Nintendo IP all over their website.
@@samt_stephensYour example was that they had pictures of the game, what does that have to do with piracy?
@@gamecrisrapsCan you link me the proof?
People in the comments are so stupid. They didn't specifically go after Citra as well. They just made them stop all emulation services so that they wouldn't just make yuzu 2.
I swear the amount of people in the emu community who are so in denial that their services are used for piracy is nuts. They made a current gen emulator and got caught. Not a DS emulator or a Wii emulator. A Switch Emulator. Citra was hit in the crossfire, it wasnt the target so people need to stop crying. Yuzu was being used to steal. Time to accept that fact and move on.
DON'T ATTACK THE MULTI BILLION DOLLAR GAME COMPANY ‼️‼️‼️‼️😢😢😢😢😢
@@_KillerD_ That's sarcasm right?
Gosh I love being right@@_KillerD_
It. Does. Not. Matter. The citra emulator and code are still completely wiped because of Nintendo, get that fuckin boot out of your mouth
@@_KillerD_ Way to prove his point.
Either you Never Pirate anything or you go balls off the wall and pirate everything, Thats the 2 Parties from what I can tell. then opinions like this get dog pilled on despite being the more morally correct opinion. in my personal opinion
this is honestly the take: recognizing that Nintendo historically has anti-fun policies but was objectively wronged in this case
I'm fine with people wanting to emulate, especially older games like you mentioned, but there has to be some accountability for the emulator producers as well, which I think some modern precedence could've contributed like you were saying in the video
The problem is... Who cares if the Emulator is for a current system. You must not have heard of an N64 Emulator doing something similar. The Emulator isn't illegal nor wrong. Yuzu never provided keys for their emulator. They never provided roms for the emulator.
@@TakeshiInazuma they didn’t regulate people using it illegally either though, did they? saying it wasn’t their objective to practice illegal emulation doesn’t mean their users have the same idea in mind
@@clubnesman To be fair Im not sure how they could have regulated since Yuzu was open source. But yes It would have been nice if they found a way.
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 if it was open source then they can't be held responsible for what users do on this, The only thing that would put them in hot water is promoting the leaked content
@@tallyikroe2476 Yes that is correct Yuzu should not be held accountable for the actions of other people.
Interesting. My copy of Yuzu still works, I only used it to record a Metroid Dread a few a times after playing through it 50 times on the Switch with a legal physical copy. I didn't download any games I didn't already own so technically I'm in a grey area, but I thought the video said something about Yuzu discontinuing.
Probably because you already downloaded the application, So they can't force users to delete the application because that would be a whole different legal issue for them to tackle
Nintendo wasn't and will never be owed hardware sales. I am not going to pay 400 dollars to someone if all I get from the initial purchase is the priviledge of being allowed to make more purchases. Mario odyssey was not worth 460 dollars. BotW was not worth 460 dollars. FE was not worth 460 dollars. Sword/Shield wasn't even worth 60. For the cost of all those games and the console they come on you could buy a rig that could emulate tens of thousands of retro games plus play pc titles, or buy a vr headset and gain access to vr games, or a dozen other things. The switch (nor the ps4/xbone) was never worth choosing over PC and nintendo refuses to sell on other platforms long after microsoft and sony both realized consoles are a dying breed and started offering games on pc or even the competitor's system. The switch 2 is pretty much guaranteed to be realeased soon and the switch eshop still, AFTER SEVEN YEARS (not counting the lifecycle of the wii, wiiu, and 3ds), doesn't even offer enough of nintendo's own back catalog of retro games to even pretend to be worth considering over a retro emulation capable PC. Hell, they're trying to act like Disney by keeping certain retro games locked away for the sake of artificial scarcity. Plus all the extra fees they tack on like having to pay for multiplayer or having to pay extra money to transfer caught creatures in their decades long flagship series which is exclusively about catching creatures.
Having a monopoly over how certain software can be played was what Bleem v Sony was about and sony caved instantly on that.
If nintendo or sony or xbox or anyone want more game sales than their existing console playerbase gives them then they need to sell multiplatform games and if they want hardware sales they need to offer a console worth buying on some merit other than artificial scarcity. The wii was legitimately worth buying for the control scheme. The 3ds was legitimately worth buying for the screen and the portability. The switch is too expensive to actually be portable, was never beefy enough to be better than a pc, and few games utilized the motion controls beyond gyro aim. People like you and the suits at nintendo love doing napkin math to say "look, if X percent of pirates bought our games we'd have 87 morbillion dollars, so that means piracy is bad" but never consider that for the pirates who aren't pirating because they're poor near 100% of them find some aspect of your business so flawed that they would never interact with the game at all if piracy wasn't an option. PS4/5 emulation isn't possible (yet) but I care so little about the consoles as a whole that I'm more than willing to forget about the few exclusives worth playing than even contemplate buying the consoles.
Emulation was the only reason I even kept nintendo on my radar the last seven+ years and if somehow nintendo magically made switch2 emulation impossible then they immediately become completely irrelevant to me until they start offering titles on PC or a console actually worth buying. If nintendo or their fanboys want me to buy their games then I need to actually be allowed to play the games I buy without a $400 membership card plus annual fees.
Relax dude, There's no need to write a giant ass essay about it!
The Video actually is right, I find it a laughable embarrassment People are defending an emulator that was monetized that had patches behind the scenes on patreon
@@M64bros
1) There is nothing wrong with having a lot to say. Better to have too much to say than not think at all
2) Yuzu was free, patreon just gave early access. There's nothing wrong with that and even if it was paywalled legal precedent has established that emulators can be sold
3) Yuzu could never be as shameless and embarassing as nintendo. With nintendo's history of anticonsumer practices any gloating from emudevs or anyone else is small potatoes and entirely deserved
@@JustForGaming_Alt-kf8lz You missed the point entirely, You're NOT allowed to monetize an emulator while the switch is still being sold to the public
@@M64bros Maybe I'm mistaken but I'm pretty sure you are allowed to monetize emus for currentgen. Bleem v sony was about this and there's other legal precedent for it. My understanding is that the two major legal angles are anti-monopoly, so bleem v sony, and general consumer protections. The only area where yuzu was explicitly in violation of the law is their realtime decryption which runs afoul of laws against drm circumvention. If there is some law to the effect of "you cannot make money providing emulators for consoles still in production" then I'd unironically love to read it
@@JustForGaming_Alt-kf8lz Moon Channel made a video about the situation and he has all the evidence in it prepared
Nah
Nintendo would make a ton of money if they released their games on Steam. Oh well.
Instead they release it on the 3rd most sold console ever and probably the most sold console ever before the production will be stopped, making tons of money. Crazy huh?
@@stefanogandino9192 doesn't change what I said, also the Switches will all eventually die out.
God I hate when PC gamer's cry like this.
"every game ever should be on PC or I'll pirate everything 😭"
the only thing yuzu did wrong was the paywall crap and leaking games early but let's be clear they have EVERY legal right to make emulators.
Yuzu did not leak games though.
This is the best explanation ❤
;_; pwease leave the multibillion dollar compagny alone !!!!
british cigarette
imagine censoring your own homophobia
@@evanoiser3058 you’re fat 😂😂😂😂
pwease let thieves steal your ROMs and Emulate it on PC
where's the giga chad gif ?@@mudanashigoto
a bit fat innit ?
@@evanoiser3058
You have a dislike ratio of 300% 💀 people do not agree with you
I'm betting those people haven't even watched the entire video
Because gamers are the most entitled people ever.
The only argument they have is every game should be on PC. But console exclusives have been a thing forever.
Well, pc gamers are probably upset.
you know that pirate copies existed during the DS days too right? like Jesus H Christ the 4th gen pokemon games are some of the most pirated games in excistence and i dont see the pokemon franchise being in any danger! people who pirate switch games are people who would not have bought them to start with.
i myself did not like the yuzu team for other reasons, and of course them saying "ItS nOt OuR fAuLt PeOpLe UsE oUr EmUlAtOr To EmUlAtE" is idiotic, but wtf are they supposed to say? "yeah use our emulator to pirate the ever loving christ out of nintendos IPs"? plus its nintendos fault the made a console so easy to emulate. the fucked up, we exploided their fuck up and now they are crying cuz we did. its their fault, and now they paying the price.
Nice victim blaming there, dude. "If they just made a more hard to hack system, we wouldn't be pirating!" THE 3DS was, for the longest time, one of the harder systems to crack until someone found am exploit and homebrew for the system was blown wide open.
Nintendo didn't sue because of the emulator itself. They even stated in the lawsuit the emulator is perfectly legal, that it doesn't contain any of their ip
@@UncannyEXP Its true though if The switch was harder to hack their would have been no piracy because dumping games would have been impossible.
lets just hope Nintendo done use Emulation oh yeah about that....
…so what’s the plan? Wait until the current president goes away and then be super super quiet about emulation?
I mean, Suyu exist now. so yeah probably
too late, i beat tears of the kingdom on 60 fps...
Yuzu does not equal, facilitate or recommend piracy.
People pirating Tears of the Kingdom, or any Switch game, can play it on a hacked Switch. Yuzu is not at fault whatsoever for people pirating anything.
Yuzu also instructs users to use their own dumped games, as well as files dumped from their own Nintendo Switch for the emulator to even work. People finding workarounds are the actions of those who defy Yuzu's intended use.
Emulation does not imply piracy, nor does piracy imply emulation. While they can overlap, it comes at no fault from the emulator since it is not officially required or suggested. Owning a brick is not illegal. Smashing someone's head with it is.
Even if people at Nintendo still take issue with a modern gen emulator that does support the legal owning of their systems and games, that definitely should not apply to Citra.
All that aside, much respect to you for holding your head high with this video. It being an unpopular opinion has not shaken you, and you seem more than prepared for any backlash.
I agree and disagree with your points lol. Emulation is tough. If we lived in an idealistic world, no one would ever use them for piracy. But that's just not the case. I think if you're really honest with yourself about why people use emulators, it's difficult to avoid the giant elephant in the room that is theft.
People are mad lol. That's fine. Debate is important. Most of these people who are so triggered in the comments would also be the first to complain if companies stopped making great games due to theft.
You mush love glazing Nintendo.
Sure, Nintendo may be right in this case, but the very video you are making right now probably upsets Nintendo because it shows footage of Nintendo games.
how the boots taste?
Damn
Using a Personal attack since you got nothing to say lol
@@Bruh-lm4zr That isn't a personal attack, he's literally meat riding a corporation that's textbook boot licking dawg
Looks like someone didn't even watch the entire video entirely and see the truth
@@M64bros what truth LMAO
Great research, great commentary, no filler, great editing and actually making a good point with a great argument to back it up. You've got yourself a new subscriber
Meat riding a moron is wild
No, they are absolutely not right lol, nintendo like usual is just trying to stomp out emulation, as they have for 25+ years. Yuzu had nothing to do with totk being leaked or even being PLAYED on the emulator. Other people created a patch to run the game, again, nothing to do with the people at yuzu. Also they did nothing wrong with having a paypal for donations, emulation is incredibly hard work for a console even 20+ years old, for a current 2024 console? Its near im-fucking possible. Theres nothing wrong with them getting compensated for there time. They also only gave instructions to extract code from carts that were LEGALLY bought. Its my copy of a game, i can do what ever i want with it.
then download it its still online lmao
You didn’t think when you made that long paragraph did you?
@@EWOODJ yea actually i did, do you disagree with something?
It's crazy that this video isn't including that Yuzu did NOT make the TOTK patch
@@Bruh-lm4zrthat was still behind the paywall on release tho Yuzu messed up big time oh welp time to use Ryujinx lol
Some people can't buy a console and the game
Emulation and piracy will continue to exist 😎
Some people can't buy a Rolex, that doesn't mean you have tou steal it
@@gavic2137it's like stealing but it's not
It's like stealing your car but it's still there
Some people can't buy a ferrari. That's a first world luxury problem. You're not entitled to other people's hard work.
@@S1EEPLES5 What if you wanted to sell that car you engineered but now you can't because everyone can just copy what you manufactured without consequences. Yeah... Seems fair right?
@@tompaauwe4565don't feel shit about pirating Nintendo games.
Yuzu was wrong indeed but you wrong about why. You miss the point about pay wall for update that actually allow playing totk some week before realese. In summary they gain money because of totk...
But no, there no issue with emulation.
The problem is video game concervation and exclusivity.
Yuzu did not paywall the ability to play TOTK. It was other users of Yuzu who made custom builds that could play the game. But yes I agree with your second point.
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 Yea... What I mean is, they did receive an increasing amount of donation during totk leak. It's not their fault but probably enough for Nintendo. If there was no feature (like early access build) behind any paywall, I bet that story would be different. Also there nothing wrong to make custom build of FOSS. It's maint be forked X)
Chortle balls please.
This video already has 3k views and I'm betting you're going to reach 1k subscribers by the end of this week.
Congratulations man!!! 👍🏻
Hah. Thanks. I'm still kinda new at the TH-cam thing, but this was a fun one.
Gonna start researching the next vid today
@@samt_stephens My pleasure and sounds like a plan! 👍🏻
Lol he gained fucking none
@@LukasKeller-ju3uo True, But the video still stands
idgaf emulation is LEGAL, yuzu shouldve counter sued.
The Yuzu devs messed up here tho people dont wanna do some research and yall just want to yap
There are 3 reasons why Nintendo sued them and its not because Nintendo hates emulation because emulation is legal even tho i also believe Nintendo wants Emulation to die lol but thats not the point of this conversation.
Nintendo didn't win anything, Yuzu didn't want to fight, they just threw in the towel before it started, to avoid paying more.
A million lawyer vs a billion lawyer isn't winning that case. Nintendo's arguement is always if their name is linked with anything, they own 100% of it.
@@dxtremecaliber Exactly
Yuzu wouldn't have a case for what Nintendo was Sueing them for. The reason was because they locked some of their features behind a paywall for their users to buy, which is illegal because you're gaining money off of someones work
You know what? I don’t always agree with Nintendo’s issue with emulation but this makes sense for exactly the reasons you stated.
Ahh, Op is very familiar with the taste of Nintendo boots.
Looks like someone didn't even watch the entire video and see the truth for themselves
@@M64bros Yeah the points in the video are not the worst Ive heard. I don't think EVERYTHING he said was true but he makes some good points.
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 indeed
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 I don't think its unreasonable to say Don't Emulate a Console thats still having content put into it. when it dies then emulate it. if its still ongoing then don't emulate it. Although at the same time its more of an ethical situation, I personally don't think Nintendo has done enough for Emulation of Switch games to be justifiable yet. (With the Exception of Game freak. I could give 0 rats asses about how they think about Emulation, Modding, taking elements from their games for your own games, etc)
lol ur now 300 subs
He's going to reach 1K in about 1 week and I can already see it!
Congratulations for him!
still under 500 subs ,
stirring up drama didn't help this guy XD
Thats not really what that means. This is an issue they covered it, they gave their honest opinions on it.
We have to remember that Nintendo are the creators from the next generation - After the golden era' of videogame-Coin-op era. Even though there are couple competitors at the time building the hometitle of consoles, Nintendo were the ones who launched pioneer-ic to the advantage they carried with their technology. In my opinion, Nintendo went ahead of their time to input a chip inside their gaming consoles to avoid any piracy by any other party because of course it's a loss of revenue to be reselling like Supreme Clothing. Nintendo is like any insurance company on top of the pyramid scheme. Yeah it sucks but this is rational. If you don't have the money for a new copy, good luck scoring a pre owned copy.
Thank you! I get sad that people don't understand that fun is not above money when you have a company that has employees. People bash on Nintendo because nostalgia is not supported properly by them, but honestly: What incentive do you have to re-launch a title that has been pirated over several years with better mods and bug-fixes? What chance do you have to do that if you know you can't control your OWN IPS!!
If Anyone here was in charge of Nintendo, seeing how much it costs to make a game and having no control over public demand at your OWN products because someone made a "passion project" about it that violates laws, you would have to make your case clear in order to remain in business and stop the line-blurrers.
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Emulation is not piracy nor is involved with the process of piracy itself. PLAYING a pirated game is not the same as pirating a game. Those are two different things. Thats one of the reasons why emulators are legal in the first place. As long as Yuzu did not have any download links to any of Nintendos IP they were not causing or facilitating piracy itself. Maybe you could argue that they made playing pirated games easier which would be fair, but its not the same argument as saying they caused or facilitated piracy in the first place.
Also the argument of "Yuzu was using Nintendos IPs to make money". They were not* (I will clarify the "*" in the second to last paragraph). They never sold or distributed Nintendos copyrighted works and using screenshots of games running on your emulator is legal and would fall under fair use just like the emulator itself. Another thing is that emulator developers are legally allowed to make money off their own work even if the emulator is for a current console. The console being on the market is irrelevant to the legality of the emulator making money or the developers profiting from it. Sony vs Bleem proved this because Bleem! was an entirely for profit emulator yet still won against Sony. Sonys main complaint in that lawsuit is that Bleem! was using screenshots of the emulator running PS1 games to market it. But of course since Bleem! won there is now legal precedent for emulator developers to make money and market themselves.
Its a good thing that emulator developers can make money off of the emulators they make because making an emulator is NOT EASY. It requires much time and dedication just to get something that generally works yet alone works perfectly. Just like how the developers at Nintendo should be allowed to make money off their own work the developers of emulators should be allowed to make money off the emulators they make as well.
Of course Im not saying that Tropic Haze is 100% in the right here. Their not. One of problem with what they were doing to me is that they were giving perks to there patrions that allowed them to have early access to in development builds of Yuzu. This partially defeats the purpose of a open source project since the idea of open source is to have everyone have equal access to the code of the emulator.
There was also the issue involving Tears of the Kingdom leaks were people were giving Yuzu money in the hopes that the in development Yuzu build would allow TOTK to be played early. Fortunately this did not work for the pirates, however Yuzu should not have been profiting off people who want to play a pirated game. I said "not*" is for this reason because you could argue that Yuzu profiting off of pirates is bad because Nintendo should have gotten that money in this situation not Yuzu. Keep in mind pirates would normally not pay emulator developers because the emulator itself is usually free to download but due to the false hope of being able to play TOTK early on the Yuzu in development builds they payed Yuzu for the builds. Pirates eventually solved this their issue of playing early by making their own builds which could play TOTK early. If Tropic Haze would have stuck to making money off of purely optional donations with no perks then they might still be here now.
Overall a mostly fair video. I don't think this video deserves all the dislikes it got and you make some good points. I wrote this comment just to clarify some of the confusion in this situation. Hope this helps.
yuzu did do some really stupid things, but that doesn't make Switch emulation wrong. I should have every right to play my Nintendo games that I bought on a piece of hardware that isn't a shitty budget Android tablet from 7 years ago. I get that Nintendo has a huge piracy problem, but the right way to fix it is to start putting their games on PC.
You realize they're not going to put their games on PC anytime soon, Besides Yuzu did monetize their emulator and put patches behind a paywall on patreon.
I also emulate as well but I find that extremely stupid of Yuzu to monetize their emulator
@@M64bros They have every reason to start putting their games on PC. I know they won't, but they still absolutely should.
@@TheAbsol7448I Hate to be honest but they're not going to do it anytime soon, Considering the fact they're targeting towards casual gamers and make the consoles just the way they are, it's totally reasonable.
But hey! it would be very cool if they did though, However, the closest we got was the mobile games even though no one talks about those anymore.
I dont understand why people are mad about the Yuzu suit, pirating current gen games that are perfectly accessible is just plain digital thievery
Lies
Bro thinks playing same games but on better hardware is bad for the gaming industry and bro even protects Nintendo , they 100% paid him to make this vid
Yuzu didnt allow to steal games , it allowed for their use
No , it was NINTENDO getting too high smelling their own farts and forgot that emulators are 100% legal and by suing em they destroy the gaming industry piece by piece
Yuzu doesnt RIP off anything
Yuzu didnt pirate anything so the cost isn't on them
And yes u can pirate and activly love a companies games , pirating from Nintendo is allways moral
While the PC pirates harass and insult anyone for enjoying those games on switch hardware, This video is telling the truth and I find it a laughable embarrassment People are defending an emulator that was monetized.
the Lawsuit of why Yuzu died isn't because of Piracy, its because they were putting features of the emulation behind a paywall. which in ANY situation is absolutely illegal.
@@M64bros Yeah honestly they played Russian roulette after hearing the rules of the game, so they got sniped because of that. No one elses fault but their own
@@tallyikroe2476 Exactly
Blaming the emulator bexaue of the leak issue is like blaming windows for piracy too. Nintendo is morally in the wrong. Also piracy is only more of a mixed issue if it involved recent games where actual developers are being paid so I can understand that part but Nintendo was still not in the right.
Also innocently making money off original victimless code isn't wrong. Nintendo doesn't morally own the idea of emulating certain switch games. Maybe Nintendo could of gone after the original leaker.
Have you even watched the video?
Funnily enough its one of the most Mixed Topics because of Nintendo actually having some standardes with their games. If people attacked users for pirating a game from a company like: Ubisoft. Blizzard or Bethesda for an example. Then They are just complete and utter fucking dumbasses. Hands Down. No Moral Dilemma there. Just Emulate their games
@@CrazyMudkip I don't think the Instance with the pay wall was mentioned in the original video
Video summend: "Yuzu did nothing wrong legally, but f them, I love daddy nintendo ^^"
Looks like someone didn't even watch the entire video and jumped straight to conclusions
@@M64bros I watched the entire video. And yes, he was also negative about Nintendo and hoped they'd make games for other consoles, BUT the video was about Yuzu and he was completely on the side of Nintendo there. Wanting one thing, but hating the other thing, it just does not make sense and it's just crying over people making a living with a passion project while not hurting anyone.
@@vief6822 Exactly, Also the fact that Yuzu was monetized while the switch Is still sound to the public isn't really the best idea.
No matter whenever an emulator gets strike down or if a fan game gets removed from Nintendo's DMCA legal team, it still remains on the internet forever.
@@M64bros That is the issue. What they did was risky, but it wasn't illegal at all. Nintendo has not won a legal case, they just intimated them till they threw the towel themselves. Imagine a store was burned by the Mafia and instead of being against the Mafia, you explain the store owner that he was stupid. You are victim blaming.
@@M64brosa.k.a Rule by the Strong
Ok. So stuck at 720p 20fps... Tbh nintendo needs to either port their games or increase the performance of their consoles.
Yeah just port their game and destroy their entire business model to appeasse to some kind of non existant consumer.
@@tompaauwe4565 Apparently tens of millions of people don't exist yeah ok buddy 💀
@@zk0rned Tens of millions already buy nintendo switches. Because they're you know. Nintendo fans?
@@tompaauwe4565 There's 8 billion people on this planet, I'm a huge Nintendo fan but I am not buying a shitty console from 2017 to have N64 framerate and at OG Xbox resolution and I know there's a lot of people that share this sentiment
@tompaauwe4565 SO when Sony ports their games do they make more or less money? Spoiler they make more because believe it or not TONS of PC gamers like myself will buy a superior version of a game they can still charge 60 bucks for.
FINALLY AND YES!!!! Someone that actually sees the Truth about the yuzu situation!
I've been trying to tell people the truth but all they did was just call me a white knight, Meat Rider and bootlicker, Thank you so much for making this video! I'm so glad I'm not the only one that knows the behind the scenes truth about the yuzu situation
Because you are a bootlicker dude fuckin fanboy 💀
@@zk0rned At least I don't *Harass and insult others for owning a Nintendo switch, Defending an emulator that was monetized that had patches behind a paywall on patreon.*
I also have a steam deck, PlayStation 5 and an Xbox series s as well the only differences I don't say one is better than the other considering the fact that the *console wars don't exist*
@@M64bros you say this shit like the video poster was speaking the gospel, it's some real cult shit dude and it's so fucking cringe
@@zk0rned You want to know something else that's *cringe,* Defending an emulator that was monetized that had patches locked behind a paywall on patreon and deleting your response towards me which sounds very *cringe* to me.
@@M64broslet's not pay attention to TH-camrs that cringely talk shit on the Godzilla franchise thinking 98% percent of his films suck ass while praising on 1954, Shin Godzilla, and Minus One ever since they all act like Doktor Skipper wannabes and just enjoy the Godzilla movies
Do you know what's funny?I think i'll start to pirate nintendo games from now on. Well done. I'm done with their anti-consumerism.
Emulation encourages piracy period NOT preservation. This is why we are heading directly to an all digital pay service system. It’s an answer for game comps to combat piracy.
I've been saying, that if the gaming community was serious about preservation, they would look for legislative means. The film industry has done this and has a committee in charge of film preservation and making older films accessible to the public
@@jimmymac2292 The Problem with this is Nintendo themselves are not taking the steps to preserve. so other people are preserving the games for them.
The Reason we are heading directly to an all digital pay service system is because it gives companies more money. thats literally the only reason. this literally has nothing to do with Emulating. even remotely
@tallyikroe2476 But the means of preservation are not secure. Relying on sites that can be removed at any notice is not viable. This is why legitimate legislation, similarly to how the movie industry has is the only true legitimate means to preservation.
Thanks for having the balls to speak truth and facts. Don't stop. F the ratio.
This vid will be lucky to break 50% lol
@@samt_stephens I have a good feeling It's going to be more successful!
These PC Fanboys know we're telling the truth and they always find excuses to try their absolute hardest to prove us wrong and they're too pissy to admit it. 👍🏻
I never would have bought a switch if i had to buy all the games, they are stupid expensive and nintendo deals with way too much anti-consumer practises. So in my case piracy actually made nintendo money. 🤷 So if piracy scares a billion dollar company because they could make an even more heinous amount money by doing shit like this, i say fuck'em, same with ubisoft, EA and activision.
your instagram photography is beautiful. keep going.
I am partially with you on this. Even the biggest, richest company in the world can go bankrupt if they make a single bad strategic decision. Ask companies like Kodak or Nokia. I am 100% against emulators. Nintendo is the one who puts the effort, investments and creativity to create games we all love playing. They take the risks. If you use an emulator (even for a discontinued console / game) you just want to profit for free from the efforts and risks of others. The part I disagree with is that final statement: "[...] and the sooner they can come back to reality to work with, not against their player-base, the better". You assume that the reality is that players want to pay for games. My experience tells me that people in general, not just gamers, want everything for free. Why do so many people share their Netflix and Spotify accounts? Why did millions download mp3 songs in the past?. I think your video would have been more complete if you had included a suggestion of how that cooperation with their player-base could look like. Are you hinting, for instance, at porting their older games to PC and charge a small amount for them to be played on PCs? This wouldn't work because Nintendo might want to remake those games on newer consoles and less people would buy them because they have already played them on PC. There is no easy solution to this problem so I think Nintendo is doing the right thing from a business point of view.
I agree with you on this as well, I'm just really happy I found the right video and the right comment that explains the real truth about the yuzu situation!
Emulating games from 30 years ago isn't hurting Nintendo at all, Emulating anything upto WiiU does not hurt Nintendo at all, those consoles are all out of production and the games are no longer sold, corporate America sure has convinced you they profit off of games for eternity when the only ones profiting off old games are resellers.
Great points. I agree there will always be a percentage of consumers who don't want to pay for anything. But people seem to be really prone to steal from Nintendo specifically because of the company's anti-consumer behavior over the last decade.
I think it's reasonable to assume that if customers have convenient and fair options available to them, most people will buy. That's why even though pirating exists and people do share accounts, Netflix, Spotify, etc are billion dollar giants. It's just way easier to pay $10-20 a month to get safe, easy, legal entertainment than deal with the risks associated with torrents.
Maybe Nintendo can bring certain titles to PC on a delayed release and offer occasional discounts after the bulk of purchases have been made.
thats because you''re an adult not a tiktok teenager
@@KaosDeathLord that is where I respectfully disagree on, and what I think most people fail to accept: neither you nor I are the president of Nintendo to know whether emulating old games now will hurt the company in the future or not.
Hypothesis: let's say Nintendo releases a new game of an old, forgotten IP. This game is a total success. They might want to release that forgotten game as a remake for full price (after all, many new gamers have never played old games)... This strategy might not be possible if the game was already available on PC (may be it is, WE JUST DONT KNOW).
There are other possible scenarios but it all comes down to respecting somebody else's property. I might not have used my old Chevy for many years, this does not give others the right to just take it from me and go for a drive. It is mine and I do what I want with it. You probably use the same approach with your own properties, don't you? Or may a neighbor just come to your house and kiss your wife just because she has not been kissed for an amount of time that the neighbor unilaterally deems too long?
Cringe.
most nintendo games are shit, sorry lol
and you nailed it, it is for kids, adults.. pfft. hardly.
Adults shouldnt be into pokemon, if it was good, if it had actual depth, if the devs of the games even tried, maaaybe.. but thinking about SV.. lol, we're all fkd in the head xD
You may be right.
But TOTK is one of the greatest games in history @ 4k 60fps on yuzu
and basically unplayable on a switch in comparison.
I agree with you. I can be against piracy and agree the Switch's hardware is a joke.
It's speculated that the Switch 2 might be as powerful as a PS4. So a little late to the game, but they'll get there
Pc Fanboys always finding excuses to make themselves feel better....
You didn't even watch the entire video didn't you?
@@M64bros feel better about what bro?
@@Matt-ir1ky Make themselves basically Superior, Even if the emulator itself gets removed, It's still going to remain on the internet.
However, monetizing it while the switch is still being sold is not the best idea from my point of view.
@@Matt-ir1ky Also apologies if I went too cringe on you.
Stop the cap. Yuzu has every right to emulate. NIntendo is a billion dollar hypercapitalist corpo, why are you defending them?
Did you even see the entire video?
watching the whole vid is for nerds
@@samt_stephens I've seen the entire video and I still agree with you! 👍🏻
Facts spitted