I wanna defend death note, Willem Dafoe was actually a pretty good ryuk. Though... okay so Willem was the only "actor" there... but still... he actually cared about his role... now I feel bad for Willem...
They had to make the females overtake the men in every way, even at being bad. If men can be crude Faye has to be even cruder, and if Vicious is evil then Julia has to be the ultimate evil villain.
good art also never needs to be 'fixed'. it's 'problematic' on purpose because it's trying to open your eyes about something important, and real life isn't white-washed the way twitter wants it to be.
"There are 3 things I hate the most in life. Kids, pets, and women with attitude. So tell me Jet why do we have all of them packed in our ship?" - Spike Spiegel
Funny as hell and informs us beautifully of Spike's character, he may put on a hard face, but deep down, he can be compassionate and caring when he needs to be. Made more so with Toys In The Attic.
@@shadowofthenorthstar989 I also remember from the Cowboy Bebop movie where Spike says "And you, you take too long to take a shit!" I laughed my head off that line.
taking a character who's main plot line is having been feminized against his will and making him non binary is the single most insulting thing that's been done in one of these adaptations. Like it is genuinely offensive
Even better they took his disfigurement which was portrayed as a horrific consequence of being made into a supersoldier in the anime, and turned it into a virtue. Fuck's sake.
@@barahng I don't think he was even a supersoldier. Just a generally skilled soldier. They held him captive and were simply testing random drugs on him.
@@arnox4554 Yeah, him being an ordinary soldier was what made it much more depressing because after being unwillingly subject to experimentations with said chemicals there was literally no benefit to him. Just the consequences of other’s actions
Just like in real life, transition procedure horror stories where the person in question didn't identify as the opposite sex get covered up! Bravo Netflix!
Yes! It's so damn frustrating. The ruined the first season of the witcher and after all of the backlash, they decided to double down. I'm genuinely so sick of this "woke" nonsense. My six year old neice came over a week ago and she turned on my TV. The first thing that popped up was a show about sex with two lesbians laying down on a bed together talking about orgasms.
@@nightshadehelis9821 what channel was it on? Cuz a show of that nature certainly wouldn’t be on a kids network. I’d suggest supervising kids on anything
"Righting the wrongs of the anime" . . . . . . dear God almighty, the amount of hubris and narcissism on display from the people behind this adaptation is beyond painful. This just makes me glad I cancelled Netflix months ago. Papa Gundam, I salute you for toughing out this abomination.
This an epidemic in Hollywood, they believe their better than everyone else, and the media forms of anime and video games get treated like lesser forms of art. We’ll get fucked Hollywood, and Netflix.
I read the article, and while their intention is one of good (trans trauma, not wanting to portray something as traumatic or violating as what Gren really went through), their execution and ultimate handling of it is terrible. Lots of talk about "they/them" and making it a story about hope, but completely missing the point that even in the far distant future, _people suck and will do horrible things to each other_. That's even the culmination of Gren's arc! He wants revenge against Vicious for the horrible things done to him. Instead we get some David Bowie wannabee in a leather dress.
@@adde27 inserting political agendas into media never goes well, I struggle to think of a single instance where a change was made to push a agenda that went well, often it just comes off as cheap.
Exactly! So often tying the adaptation so closely to the original beloved piece of media can only hurt it. It was kinda shit, but in my opinion it would have had much better chances at succeeding if it hadn't been a direct adaptation, but just been inspired by or based in the same universe as Bebop, and made by the same people as the original. My main evidence: Carole & Tuesday was great.
Liberal film making, changing shit , changing characters colors , gender, pretty sure fay wasn't gay either. Let make a movie with a white gay MLK and see how it plays out. It's bullshit and people are tired of seeing it.
@@marineshtf9954 Changing ethnicities or sexualities was literally the smallest issue here... Bebop was already diverse, if anything they watered it down with how they handled Gren.
The Time will come we will stand up all Anime Characters 2021 😂 i cant take that stuff seriously so i know the Anime thats good for me. and thx Gundam we can see you clearly like the Anime
Once we get a restraining order against Netflix, we can use those "love letters" as evidence in a court of law. What part of "no contact" don't they understand?
@@jakomioftherose2434 TBF there isn't too much of a plot for Monster hunter games. I only played 2 games, so there might be a plot in some of the games.
@@SkylarTrahan idk bruh. The choreographed dance sequences of bending was kinda hilarious in like a stage play sort of way. Deathflix was just massive cringe the whole time. Plus the Dutch angles. THE DUTCH ANGLES
Pretty sure that's exactly what Skamissian said to trigger Gamergate, and then the later to create comicsgate. Who's ready for animegate? Cause I love my subtle sex appeal(Nami and Pyra) just the way it is!
That one clip of Faye screaming like a banshee at the bad guys is all I need to see. Faye in the Anime would just blast the place first and MAYBE go: "well boys, I'ts been fun but I've gotta run." In a seductive way. What a fucking waste of a show.
The part about Ed is so true. That stuff ONLY works in animation, games, etc. Seeing a real human being act that was is nothing but annoying. So many things that are "cool" or "cute" or "funny" in animation, is complete cringe in real life. That's why the guy in class who tries to act like his favourite badass anime character has no friends. Because if you act like an anime character in real life, you look like an idiot.
this is interesting from psychological point of view, isnt it? We see a representation of a human acting in a weird way and its quirky and cool, but actual humans acting this way is pure cringe.
Ed's character wasn't cringe in the anime? I mean there was a lot to like about Ed such as being a computer hacker, but I didn't exactly miss her when she wasn't on screen.
There is ways to act like your favorite characters but never rip it straight from source. Little things like body language and facial expressions change how it comes across massively. And a lot of things yes DON'T crossover to real world acts. Some not because the act doesn't fit physically but because you are aware that it is a real person doing it not a character. For example if you see a game or anime character walking with a sword the size of a dinosaur on their shoulder you think cool but you are also aware they are not a person so you have different expectations. But see a real person walking with a stupidly oversized sword the only thought you will have is are they a idiot because you are aware they are a person. Others don't fit because they are context specific and just acting like that does not mean you have the context. And still others simply don't work because of the simple reality that in all honesty the actions were dumb but looked fun in the show or game.
@@spartanonxy Not just such overtly exagerated things either. The way anime characters adjust their glasses with the middle fingers. I've seen a clip of a guy doing that IRL, and it looked stupid beyond words. Other things like how they tilt their heads when asking questions, and other subtle things (in anime context) looks weird as hell when a real person does it.
@@88detour That also has to do with Ed serving almost no purpose whenever she WAS on screen. There might be 4 episodes in the entire show where she is integral to the plot: When she first is interfuced, the mushroom episode, the cult episode, and the one she leaves in. If you remove her from the show, almost nothing changes. THAT is a huge issue with the character. She was pure background character for most of the time.
@@denkerbosu3551 no it's not. The cowboy bebop la is a decent series. Most of you guys insulting the show haven't even seen it while the one's who have are being too emotional about the series which is clouding your judgement. Sure they messed up some characters and some of the scenes are cringey but it's still a decent show. If you watch the series without only looking for the bad things in it you'll definitely enjoy it. And it's not like the anime was that great lol.
@@thewitness9657 well then either you have poor taste, your overly optimistic and choose to only see the best, or haven't seen/appreciated the anime version. I'm hoping its optimism.
Didn’t a bunch of “artists” on Twitter or Tumblr get caught “fixing” anime art? Usually their “fix” was something hideous and unartistic, too. After watching, it’s occurred to me that these Netflix adaptations are just like that; they try to “fix” something that ain’t broken by making a hideous, disfigured effigy of it and claiming it’s somehow better, “more accurate” or something. Someone’s probably already said it, or already made this comparison, but I feel it needs saying.
That's the whole reason why this live-action show exist but "hey its a trend so lets capitilize". NO JUST NO. this could have been a succes without the bad writing and change in direction, AND THAT'S WHAT SEASON 2 NEEDS, FIXING. Instead of Gren being a typical "hey i'm your Gay bestfriend character to support gay rights' is another typical trend thing to do these days. she could easily have been a big role for Trans & Non-BInary people who feel like a gender but are the oppisote in body, that would've meant HUGE since Anime Gren's backstory was that she was a test lab-rat where the test made his hormones grow breast etc. i can continue but i won't tbh you already get the point, it needs fixing in Storytelling AND direction, they should follow the Manga for continuity. PS; Isn't it funny that almost every character got a major change in them while they kept ED TOTALLY THE SAME when it should've been vice versa.
@@DragonwaveOG it was made this way intentionally. The whole point in making this live-action is to undermine the radical messages of the original. It being this bad IS NOT AN ACCIDENT. I know that sounds crazy but its what I truly believe. All evidence points to it. They aren't going to do any better with season 2; they have accomplished precisely what they set out to accomplish and will continue on the same trajectory.
Japan should make a law making any live action adaptation of an anime illegal unless the show is truly supervised from start to finish by the original author and some of the anime studio's leads.
Newsflash: Japan DOES NOT unfortunately care. Sunrise never cared. They wanted a quick buck and they are probably having a big laugh seeing this failed adaptation.
While we are at it how about people stop whining about these adaptations and do something with their life I’m already ringing my hands over the Netflix one piece!
This anime helped mold me to the woman I am today. This taught me lessons growing up that no teacher or parent knew how to explain to me. I refuse to acknowledge the Netflix shows. They don’t exist in my life.
I feel the same way I revisit this anime and a few others every year to see how I've grown and to see if my opinions have changed to that of what I tough of it when I first saw it
@@RenlangRen foundation suffered worse than cowboy bebop i think. They shouldve just made a whole show about the genetic dynasty and it wouldve been great
@@YahRayEl I will never understand why these studios pay for the rights to a popular franchise, and then make something out of it that has none of the qualities of that franchise.
@@benjamintherogue2421 he was pretty good tbh, the art schools were just getting into all modernist, conceptual and Dada rubbish at the time and had no place for classical artists.
That "writing the wrongs of the anime" was the thing that made me more mad than anything about this piece of junk. It's so insulting to everybody who was involved in the creation of the anime and us as fans that enjoyed it. Who are they to say what is right and wrong? It's not their work, they stole it and put their own disgusting spin on it.
Well what's funny about them making such a ridiculously idiotic claim is that, watching how quickly and how badly this abomination fails. Ratioed like FK. This is garbage, that is the general consensus and they know it. The original was perfect how it was and the only thing that's "problematic" is them.
@@SaguraXSousuke Yeah I tried that piece of shit, I rather like to eat something than none at all, but that's just me. A lot of the times, nothing is better than "an attempt"
Completely agree. Sad thing most characters now are one dimensional. Real people are more than just their sex/gender, race, etc, etc. Thats why the original Bebop characters were so beloved because they are relatable, multifaceted and flawed and not simply the poster child for a single minded agenda.
I remember back in... right around 2003. I was talking about how much hollywood sucks at this. And this isn't exactly new either, because we were joking about what if, like what if they made a Metroid movie, how godawful it would be. Because like we said back then these knobs would be "let's make samus a guy in a latex suit!". Now though. Any time i hear that they're doing a remake or reboot or live action anything, we immediately know that property is dead. Ruined. And we know exactly how they'll destroy it too.
@@NeoTrunks7 I dunnooooo~ I feel most people these days are exclusively defined by their race, orientation and gender so... Maybe the rest of us are no longer real people. We're being replaced by synths or something = 3=
I've heard of Cowboy Bebop and seen clips here and there over the last couple decades, but never sat and watched it all. So, when I heard about the Netflix version, I binged all of the original anime in a couple days a few weeks before the live action. As someone just watching it now, I'm not a hardcore fan or anything, but the whole time watching Netflix I was just like, "Why? Why did they do this?" or "Why did they change that?" I was able to get through it all, but I can only imagine how true fans must feel and you have my sympathy. I have a lot of Anime that I am a super fan of and the thought of them being butchered saddens me if they ever went Live Action. I would have thought Gren would have been Gay at most, given he was in a male colony and sleeping with trans women. Faye being lesbian was just stupid, and Ed being non binary makes no sense either. Ed identifies as a girl, and corrects people when they call her a him. Ed is a girl that looks like a boy presumably because she is so ragged and unkempt. Very tomboyish, but identifies as female. It was all just so stupid. I hate this time period >_> I'm tired of forced, cringe politics.
I was so mad about Ed, I won't watch it. As a ragamuffin young tomboy, she was my idol, and one of the only girls in animation that was creative, smart, tech oriented, animal lover, silly and boyish at the time. She helped me come to terms with being myself and not trying to be feminine or girly just to fit in. She showed me that being authentic is the best thing I can do for myself, and others.
I presume spoilers are fine because no one here will watch but: yeah, there was a scene in live action where the ship needed repair and the mechanic was a lesbian and was flirting hardcore with Faye, which I honestly thought was fine and kind of funny. Even the reaction of Faye was funny. Then the scene cuts out to other stuff. Then later it cuts in on Faye and the Mechanic on the floor in the engine room post sex and then I was like OMG really? That was just dumb. Then like the rest of the show Faye became some kind of weird pansexual advocate or something, reading magazines about different kinds of sex and saying, "People should be more open minded." Which just destroyed it for me.
I am really disappointed with the newer generation of media, consumers, and writers being creatively bankrupt and consuners not being able to distinguish whats good or bad anymore. Cowboy Beebop's remake is a proof of that
@@thearkheartguy Mainstream media was always like this: shallow, generic and catering to the lowest common denominator. There are exceptions, but they're pretty rare.
They did the show dirty, but Vicious hurt the worst. Vicious was a man obsessed with power. He was a narcissist and a master manipulator who was calm, cool, and totally in control of his emotions, except when it came to Spike, the only person he probably saw as an equal. The showdown in the cathedral was our first glimpse at their fractured relationship. He came to view Spike as an enigma, someone who lost his nerve and abandoned the only thing that mattered. Vicious was so lost inside his own ideals that he was totally incapable of understanding how Spike could exist outside of the fold, and it made him furious: "When angels are forced out of heaven, they become devils. You agree, don't you Spike?" "I'm just watching a bad dream I never wake up from." "I'll wake you up right now." "What's your rush, Vicious? After all, it's been a long time." "Are you pleading for your life?" "Hardly. Begging doesn't work on you, remember? Even if it's coming from the man who took you in and made you what you are." "He was a beast who lost his fangs. That's why he had to die, Spike, and that's why you have to die. You should see yourself. Do you have any idea what you look like right at this moment, Spike?" "What?" "A ravenous beast. The same blood runs through both of us. The blood of a beast who wanders, hunting for the blood of others." "I've bled all that kind of blood away." "THEN WHY ARE YOU STILL ALIVE?!"
He showed a brief clip of him at the start, and my genuine reaction was. "Wait, which show is that from? I don't get the reference." And then he showed that same guy and talked about Vicious and I went "Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck me." Then he showed Radical Edward and I decided knives would look just dashing lodged into my brain.
OG Vicious: Thin, lethal, *emotionless,* somewhat unkept hair. Netflix Vicious: an unholy fusion between Netflix Geralt of Rivia and Heisenburg from RE8.
“People just don’t know when to quit.” Yeah, like how Netflix doesn’t know when to quit using their excess of money to make trash adaptations not run by a proper producer.
@@KraussAudioBooks O, not big on Witcher lore, so I thought it was fine, as well as my friend who played Witcher 3 for hundreds of hours soloing bosses with low equipment to just give himself a challenge. It didn’t stick to everything the Witcher has in the lore, but aesthetically it’s pleasing to the eye. The garbs and weapons are pretty close to how the games depict em. That alone makes it infinitely better than Cowboy Beebop Netflix adaptation, cause atleast it looks like the Witcher.
there was a game that did that, was supposed to be a trilogy but failed spectacularly on sales and never got a sequel, can't remember the name, but I'm still pissed off about it lol.
Netflix: "wE FiXeD It" The actual fanbase: "look how they massacred my boy" If I could I'd ask Shinichiro Watanabe how he feels about this shit adaptation of his great work
He told everyone it was bad and that he had no input or control since sunrise owned the ip and sold it without his input to netflix. He told everyone to avoid it in and interview.
Vicious screaming like a little b- when getting shot reminds me of when Kira met Ryuk for the first time in the Deathnote Netflix adaptation. That was hilarious and pathetic all at once too 🤣
Wait, are you me that Quarry King is still kicking on Twitter? I thought that he went to prison for holding a girl at knifepoint at the back of a church.
They should come with a disclaimer and warning: THIS SHOW IS A LIVE-ACTION ADAPTATION OF AN ANIME. IT IS MUCH WORSE THAN THE SOURCE MATERIAL. WOULD YOU JUST LIKE TO WATCH THE ANIME INSTEAD? This would help alot of people.
Can we also talk about how original Spike/Vicious feud was basically a prototype for Dante/Vergil from Devil May Cry? A crazy badass character hiding the pain underneath careless attitude vs cold and calculated murderer who will have his way no matter what? Yeah, this dynamic is lost now.
The actress said that since she doesn’t know who she is, she would try things. Huhhhhhh so you can choose to be gay I guess. Not very PC of you lady! Lol
the agenda is making the pool of source material slimmer and slimmer for netflix, also its pushing the good workers away. Lets see how long netflix will try to create original before they fire their whole content creator department and resort back to being an online movie renting store.
I would got on an emotional spiel about what Cowboy Bebop means to me, how it came into my life in 2001, how it helped shape me as a man, but then I remembered that TH-cam has me shadow banned and only 1 out of 8 or so of my posts even pop up for anyone. It's all so tiring. But it was a show I stumbled into by accident the first moment it premiered in the United States on Adult Swim. It was felt like fate. I've always carried the DVDs with me everywhere I have ever gone, even when I went off to war. At every level, from the characters, to the writing, to the music, to the art, to the style, it all spoke to me on the most personal level. The sooner Netflix fades into nothingness, the better.
I've been shadow banned for years after my comments were getting thousands of likes or so, they either remove them entirely, or they put them at the bottom of the section. Social credit much?
Same for TH-cam as for Netflix, into the history bins they will go. Silencing dissenters is a man with one leg shooting himself in the foot. I feel you on Cowboy Bebop though, I was right there with you.
I think it depends on the anime, the actors and weather or not the studio will actually remain faithful to the original vision. You get those three things and your golden
Changing a work's medium is very, very, VERY hard. Lord of the Rings had about a hundred versions that ranged from mediocre to terrible before Peter Jackson got his hands on it. It should only be engaged in with an appropriate level of seriousness and trepidation, or the only result will be failure.
When these people say “fixed,” I interpret that to mean neutered. Because what this trash heap is; a neutering of something special and truly great. If people held on to the hope that this was going to be good, I question their sanity.
Yeah, their "fix" is just adding some LGBTQ+ characters and just changing the race of characters. It's never adding stuff the creator couldn't fit in, or adding in more manga/novel scenes that an anime couldn't fit in. They just have to make it some goofy diversity plug in that'll age horribly and people will only talk down on or forget in a year.
To fans, their reaction to the netflix adaptation was as follows: Fans: “There was only a *set number of chain links* you could link together to make this bad, but still have a narrow amount of wiggle room redeemable qualities.” Netflix: “Yes. And?” Fans: “So could you please explain HOW IN THE FUCK DID YOU LINK THEM UP SO FUCKING TIGHTLY THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY *FUCKING N O T H I N G* REDEEMABLE ABOUT THIS BIG CITY SEWAGE WATER THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SELL OFF AS APPLE JUICE?!??!?!?!?!?! EXPLAIN TO ME!!!!!!” Netflix: “tHe oRiGiNaL wAs tOo pRoBlEmAtIc fOr mOdErN tImEs, sO wE hAd tO fIx iT.” Fans: “THEN WHY THE HELL DID YOU MAKE CUTIES?!?!?!?!?!”
because rich old white dudes will liquidate assets to watch them...And because blackrock has our hands tied... Is you a rich old white dude? No? then your opinion is null and void. Now pay us more money for your subscription fees as all our contracts expire and content shifts to other platforms. I know this comment is late. the only reason i'm back here now is because someone just commented on my post from 10 months ago lol
"Queer coded" or "gay coded" really means "In my shitty fanfic interpretation of the character that completely ignores all evidence provided by the show, this character is gay etc." Given the lengths I've seen people go to to delude themselves into thinking a canonically 100% straight character is actually gay, anybody could be classed as "queer coded" by their rules. Unless the show or movie was made in the times when being gay was illegal, I'm pretty sure the writer would have just had the character be gay in the story they wrote if that's what they really wanted. If the writer never said that a character was expressly gay in their story and there's literally no evidence to support it, they're not gay. End of story. Nobody who thinks they know characters better than the actual story and the people who wrote it should be allowed to ever make content for that character. If you're so desperate for more gay characters, make new ones in new stories. If they're actually good, they'll end up popular too because we don't live in the 50s anymore and most people don't give a shit if you're gay. Case in point, Captain Jack Harkness from Doctor Who is one of the more popular characters in the show because he cool and no one cares that he's bi.
what bothers me is when they change characters to be gay or non-binary just for the sake of it, you're automatically a bigot or phobic this or phobic that for not liking their new creation. they do not and can not see that distinction, that a show can be bad even if the characters are gay/trans/bi/etc. the show is fundamentally bad. their being whatever orientation is just happen stance.
I hate her I hate her I hate her Burn the witch! For real though, please let me never watch any further of this show, I'm going to watch the original and feel good about myself.
Sadly all the 4-5 stars people say " I never see the anime but I like this." Then the people calling anime fans weebos is rich. Gotta love the new generations ugh.
"Vicious... he looks like a cosplayer from San Diego Comicon" -- no, it's worse than that. It looks like an offbrand, bootleg version of Viserys Targaryen.
@@alexm7627 I mean, his look was the first thing I noticed, but then he opened his mouth and just confirmed that not only did he LOOK like Viserys Targaryen, but he acted like him too.
I think the problem with all the emotions like we see with Vicious is these weak writers we have in holly wood are basically children. And children through fits when they don't get what they want, hence adults in movies act like children.
did you hear that from the critical drinker? He certainly said something like that a month ago, that doesn't discredit you though, I certainly agree whole heartedly with that sentiment, so many modern characters feel like they hold all the maturity you'd expect of a child.
I havent seen Netflix CB, dont ever plan to, but everything ive seen of THIS terrible version of Viscious reminded me of that batshit insane villain from that dumb kids movie "Warriors of Virtue"
I started watching Cowboy Bebop at a time when I was figuring out life and trying to be independent. It was such a great show that it got me through my harsh times. The actors of the adaptation don't have any right to say it's a love letter. Shame on them.
I utterly hate people that simply say... "Cuz it's more accurate than the other adaptations, it must be good. " I'm not making this up. I've seen people calling themselves fans of the original Cowboy Bebop show that say this was decent or even good. Like WTF????
Everyone is acting like we can not be anime fans if we enjoyed this show. I like it, it's not cowboy bepop but its not a bad show. I also know non anime fans who enjoy it. This type of criticism is why studio don't want to do live actions, subs, or pretty much anything new content wise with anime, because the fan base is to judgemental and expect everything dished out to be a 10/10.
@@SaguraXSousuke marvel greenlit the original daredevil yet we continued to watch marvel movies ...look at us now lol. It takes practice to get it right. If we look back at live actions a few years ago compared to today we have progress.
🚨🚨🚨 AAAAAAHHHHH!!! 🚨🚨🚨 school is sooooo boring i am in 8th grate and its so boring i am having sucess on youtube so i think i will drop out of school. i dont have friends so i need your opinon matt
Gren's story could have been a great opportunity to discuss children being hormone blockers and/or cross-sex hormone treatments, but alas... too based for Netflix.
The way spike fights was literally so important to the show that an episode specifically has him explaining it. “Move like water, you have to be like fluid”
And yet the cast an actor that is stiff AF; he looks damn good for his age but he didn't *move* like Spike. Spike had that tall, lanky way of slouching when he walked but that would instantly turn to graceful movement in a fight. This actor manages to look like Spike (well, Spike once he hit the middle age wall) but moves like he's trying not to disturb an old injury.
@@barahng There have been many other actors and martial artists after Bruce Lee that are EXTREMELY skilled. Tony Jaa immediately comes to mind. Watch Ong Bak 2 and you'll see just how fucking insane he is. None of it's wire-fu or green screen either.
Fayke: "You can watch the anime and then enjoy our show. You can enjoy our show and then watch the anime. Or you can just enjoy our show on its own." Me: "Can I just not watch this crap?" Fayke: "THAT WAS NOT AN OPTION."
Just as when some couple came up with a merge of Die Hard, Jurassic Park and Terminator plot and the 1994 film of Super Mario Brothers came out, so Netflix merged Rush Hours with Friends and a "tragicomedy version" of Blade Runner, Cowboy Bebop came out. Netflix is truly the true house of ideas.
I've yet to tell my parents of the adaptation, not because I'm scared but moreso because it'd genuinely upset them because they grew up with Cowboy Bebop. I remember how they asked me if I recorded the movie and they wanted to watch it with me. That movie is a masterpiece, you can't change my mind about that. Well, unless you bring up the original Thing movie, the 2011 one made me want to jump off a bridge
Netflix: “we are making a love letter to an extremely popular and beloved anime” Also Netflix: let’s completely bastardize the story, underlying themes and message of the original show then claim we “fixed it”
In the anime, both Spike and Vicious have very little regard of their own lives and they sincerely believe only they both can put an end to their 'dreaming'. In Netflix, seems more like a competition between Spike and Vicious on who can give a better comeback line. Faye was a complete trainwreck of a character..
When filming Saruman getting stabbed in the back Peter Jackson wanted Christopher Lee to scream when he was stabbed. Christopher Lee took Peter Jackson to the side and explained that when someone is stabbed in the back a person doesn't scream, they gasp as all air is forced from their lungs. Peter was later told the Christopher Lee did some very nefarious jobs behind enemy lines in WW2. Not cowboy bee bop related but an awesome fact that Christopher Lee was a bad ass.
Daniela Pineda saying "Don't think about it" is one of those quotes, like "Turn your brain off and enjoy." It encourages the idea of just letting consumers be easily taken advantage of for profit. I wanted to see this live action, but not with the Hollywood ideological pandering. I actually would prefer to see TH-camrs try to do this shit. I mean, look at Batinthesun. Some of my favorite live action adaptations of Batman characters, and they are TH-camrs. I think they also did the Death Battle type of thing with live action scenes instead of pixel/3D stuff that Death Battle actually does. Lets just have TH-camrs make adaptations instead. They're usually the actual fans without agendas to meet.
This isn't a love letter to the anime, it's a breakup written on a post-it that Netflix slapped on your fridge in the middle of the night while she packed up and left with the dog too.
Gundam is right, the way CB intertwines stylish action, a great soundtrack and very mature, relatable themes elevates this series _way_ above simple anime into something way beyond mere entertainment. It really is an experience. No, it's a _mirror._ It reflects back what we all go through. It's relatable despite the sci-fi veneer. It speaks to the soul of not just a single generation, but _everyone_ on a certain stretch of their life trajectory that we all pass through. Its themes are timeless and that's what makes it a real classic. And this live-action knock-off seems to be missing all of that, substituting real heart for cheap quips and sitcom level comedy. What a shame.
@@adrianalexandrov7730 I like Black Lagoon, but it's not really on the same level as Bebop, especially in relatability. Too much 90's action girl schlock in its DNA to keep it grounded. It seems to be going more in a Breaking Bad style direction anyway - in terms of watching how a regular guy can go down the path of crime and get transformed into a monster.
The only thing I'm glad about this Netflix adaptation is just to show the world that the anime is far more superior Hope more people will watch the anime instead after this, especially for that sexy opening song 😂
Putting the target audience aside for a min, If you make a big enough shitshow, every youtuber and their mom are gonna make videos talking about it. That generates engagement and notoriety, it will probably make a bunch of casuals to give the anime a watch.
@@revocable1687 Bingo - the types of people that watch this aren’t going to watch the anime, let alone _know_ there is an anime, imo. Most people watching this garbage are the types of people to A.) not even know what anime is B.) know what it is in passing but can’t be bothered. They’ll just stick with this and either find it good or bad, but I doubt they’re going to seek the anime out. That’s just the reality of things. I also have a hard time believing someone going out of their way to watch this are the types to have yet to even watch the original. If they’re going into it knowing it’s based off of the anime, then they’ve likely already watched it. If they haven’t, then there’s a reason.
@@TwoBs ok good point, but hear me out here. How about they stay in their shitty bubble while we enjoy the good anime. Bebop doesn't need more recognition, it's already as good as it ever will and no adaptations or sequels or OVAs or anything else is gonna change that. If there are people that decide it's bad because they only know the Netflix adaptation, so be it. They are wrong and that's that.
I really appreciate the LOTR comparison. I read all the books after I watched the movies and Peter Jackson did the best he could with making it 3 movies. Sure it missed some stuff but I don't think anyone could make a better film adaptation ever. I have also watched it from start to finish probably at least a dozen times.
PJ's LotR was fucking beautiful. Now THAT had true passion and work and blood and sweat put into that. It was oozing out of every pore of the movie. You knew that they cared deeply about the source material and portrayed it the best way they could.
Marathonning the extended cuts is an experience everyone should have in their lives. Genuinely believe LotR is one of the things that adapted a masterpiece to a different medium and somehow still measured up to it. They're different but still masterpieces in their own right, and I can't recommend one over the other.
I’ve read the books and watched the movies plenty times and I like them but I’ve never been that interested in those type of fantasy stories, even then I can recognize that it’s objectively the greatest movie trilogy ever made and probably the best book adaptation ever. It’s truly phenomenal on another level, it’s just not for me
You know it's instantaneously BAD when both the access media critics & common folk critics scores are pretty low. It's simply a disgrace to the whole film & anime industry. Meanwhile, We couldn't even get Alita sequel just because Disney bought Fox & love to fvkk the fans.
Quick note: The 'right the wrongs' remark by Gren's actor in the live action series was about Sleepaway Camp and its unfortunate implications, not Gren's character in the original series. That said, seeing a character that suffers from extreme body dysmorphia due to unethical experiments and changing it to "positive trans" character is one hell of a take. Also, Daniella Pineda's "we're doing our own thing" spiel just feels so hollow. Because they're not; they're doing the exact same story as Cowboy Bebop and do it worse. If they really wanted to "do their own thing" while working with the Cowboy Bebop brand, they should've come up with a different story. Like, I dunno, Spike survived his encounter with Vicious, went off the grid for several years, gets pulled back into trouble for some reason and reunites with the crew to take on the next threat. And Jet, Faye and Ed all have mixed feelings about seeing him again because they did what he never could; they eventually moved on with their lives. The story would involve them dealing with this threat and navigating relationships with each other, aka people they now no longer actually know. Yes, this is a dumb plot that I just pulled out of my ass, but it's more "doing your own thing" than this.
I can see this was a very personal video for you, and I understand why. Netflix just ruined one of the best animations ever created to pander for a bigoted, ghost audience who can't deal with different artistic visions. The fact the original Cowboy Bebop is in their platform side by side with this shit is even funnier. And how the corporate drones disguised as nerds are ready to defend this shit like their lives depend on it.
this is going to be the last comment I read here. it's actually nauseating me seeing how many shills are defending this trash of a series. they are finding anything they can to shame me for disliking their crap show. to me, their agenda for this woke leftist propaganda is made more obvious when they wont accept my reason for hating it. they cannot see why it's so bad. they will not come to terms that this is a fundamentally bad show that slaps the face of the original anime. it's like seeing an unfunny non-binary progressive try standup. they bomb and instead of taking the critisicm that they suck because they dont know how to tell jokes, they instead, blame the audience for not getting the jokes enough to laugh at. you're wrong if you dont like how I cooked your steak. IT HAS to be burnt to a crisp. you liking medium rare is wrong because blah blah blah. that's straight up gaslighting 101 and fu!%#&ng crazy to think they can try and repurpose my dislike for their shitty comedy. the entitlement, audacity, narcissism, and lack of self awareness is mind blowing.
The bastardization of media we grew up loving with woke garbage hurts me man. There are normies who have never watched the anime and will watched the Netflix show and say it’s the definitive cowboy bebop.
Me too. The witcher and Halo were both bastardized as well. Now Lord of the Rings is going to experience the exact same thing. They never learn. Being said, props to Paramount for listening to Sonic fans and changing his design. They did the right thing and listened.
@@nightshadehelis9821the Halo show hurts even more after reading the script for the canceled movie. These companies are handed the golden goose and they toss it in the oven just to serve it burnt.
Trying to do a live version of Vicious is like trying to do a live version of Sephiroth ... oh God, Netflix is going to do a live action version of FF7, aren't they?
@@CocktailsConsoles And musician Kyosuke Himuro had the best closing track of the entire movie. The Calling. 答えは風のなか (You can shoot me if I made an error with my Japanese keyboard on my phone. I am still figuring out how kanji works) Shame he had to stop due to his hearing being impaired. His voice and music was one of a kind. And David Bowie was one of his heroes so that's a plus.
Honesty it's more like a hired killer writing a note threating not to kill someone, unless their pay is doubled. The problem is, they sent it to the wrong family member.
Cowboy Bebop was the first Anime that I watched and finished in its entirety. It was a real eye opening experience to a culture and art I had never familiarized myself with.
This feels like Hollywood and Netflix are buying my childhood memories on the action block to pimp them out on the street corner for pocket change. Not just financially unfeasible, but downright mean spirited and petty. Thank god the actress warned us with what she imagined to be amazing clap-backs for the obvious and expected backlash to her "creative" costume redesign. If they're gonna call me a sweaty pervert looking for spank bait because I think that the overtly provocative dress was part of Faye's character then I've seen all I needed to see about this "show". Ed was just the final nail in the coffin of any temptation to give this show a watch. Edit: I'm shocked and amazed that the writing staff of Netflix decided to not only make Jet black but ALSO make him an absentee dad. 10/10. If it wasn't so progressive, it'd be insensitive. Does the fact that they added a token black guy balance this out? I think the jury is out on that one.
@Henzo88 Yeah, can't say I've been a fan for the longest time. Maybe I'm just getting too old and crusty to enjoy the hip new stuff they're trying to dish up.
Hollywood and Netflix: “We have the rights to a property that, if used correctly, would have the fans basically printing us money. We could end up with more money than Amazon if we just made good content that is true to the IP.” Public: “Yes! We love that IP!” Hollywood and Netflix: “We are going to change everything and inject the IP with guaranteed money losing identity politics, because everyone who was a fan of it is toxic.” Public: puts their wallets away Hollywood and Netflix: “Where is our Scrooge McDuck level fortune? It isn’t raining money at all! We gave them the thing!”
I think you missed the point about Jet. The reason for his relationship has nothing to do with skin color. It’s the fact that he got framed as a dirty cop and was locked up for a while. If you were with someone that had been outed as such a thing and didn’t know any better, would you want your kid around him?
It's not canon and never will be It's not canon and never will be It's not canon and never will be It's not canon and never will be It's not canon and never will be. Fuck Netflix with a passion, they ruined my favorite anime, now they're going to ruin my favorite Shonen anime....One Piece. I'm all in favor in cutting off Los Angeles and letting it sink into the Pacific.
In the OG, Vicious was meant to represent what Spike used to be like if I recall, and meeting Julia was the thing that returned spikes humanity to him, otherwise he'd have been as cold as Vicious, but yeah this Vicious is so emotional its hard to believe Spike could have ever been anything like him. Heck when action scenes involved Vicious you never really hear any music playing, that's how cold and dead he came across. In the live I did enjoy some moments, watching Spike & Jet's interactions, like whenever food is involved all of a sudden their motivation to catch a bounty goes up! Teddy Bomber's portrayal without including Andy was a bit of a let down :( I don't mind seeing the kung fu looking a little stiff, I've tried to appreciate the actors efforts at playing Spike. But they sure missed a lot of the points the original anime was trying to put across like how each character seemed stuck in time and you could see each of their coping mechanisms to get through their depression one way or another.
How to destroy an anime...1) hire woke writers, 2) insult legacy characters, 3) insert agenda to p-off fans, 4) change characters and stories, 5) allow blue hair self inserts
For me, Cowboy Bebop transcends anime, it is a lesson in life, philosoohy, gain and loss, love and heartache, loss of friends, family, lovers over a bad decision, wrong timing or doomed plan to make a run for freedom with the galaxy at your heels only to see the one you loved turn into a monster and the last thing you see is the one who tried to help in the end. Cowboy Bebop will make you actually feel and think. It is, in my opinion, the greatest lesson ever made. The casting.. Acting.. Story change.. "It's not supposed to be good."? That is the excuse of a failure. "I am supposed to be obese and lazy.", "I use auto-tune because people like it not because I have a voice that would make sailors drown themselves to get away from the noise.". What the hell, and VICIOUS?! His hair is silver and barely wavy, straight and sharp**. I could have done a better job and I am 6'6" so it would look like a horrible joke, though I am damn good looking and my hair naturally animes itself. *Cough and self pat on the back with a cookie* How the hell are those two supposed be Vicious and Spike? The guy looks like a dollar store version of that Slytherin dudes dad in Harry Potter and Cho's acting is a joke. How are those two going to make the iconic scene of the sword and gun? Cowboy Bebop ended with "Bang". There is no more and should never be. Some things end and become legendary.
When I watched this anime, I was young, full of rage and surrounded by people who hated me, really, it was one of the worst phases of my life. But man I loved Cowboy Bebop, and the songs were in my head all day long and things didn't seem so bad. Thanks Gundam, you said everything that needed to be said. Thank you very much.
"They made Vicious a wife beater so you can really root against him." I mean for anyone that's had to deal with modern women/feminists I mean its one of those cases of the villains motives being arguably better than the heroes.
Even funnier, in order to leave the situation Julia tries to have Vicious murdered in cold blood, when that doesn't work she just sneaks up while the lads are having it out and takes advantage of wounded Vicious to shoot him, and to top it all off she shoots her ex-BF off a building for having the audacity to still have feelings for her and to exist when she thought he was dead. Oh and then she takes control of a vast criminal cartel, despite her only prior occupation being lounge singer.
@@nothanks3236 how dare you trying to subvert a good lgbt story with all your mansplaining and your logic and bringing back the original material? We have a transphobe mysoginist over here! /s
As much many like to talk about the main characters in modern entertainment and the writing, I gotta ask. What about the villains, what do they really get? All I’m asking for is a villain that’s not only clever and compelling, but that they can throw hands with anybody that stands against them, and have the upper hand. Did Captain Marvel had any villain that can break her arm, or chuck a grenade in her face? No, there was nothing that can even scrape her eyebrow, there’s no adversity.
@@LegacyComics100 It makes the entire scene with Jude Law at the end completely meaningless. She starts off the movie being able to beat his backside and...she ends up the movie being able to beat his backside. There's no growth at all.
- Spike is old - Faye is gay & annoying - Jet is black - Gren is non binary - Vicious is a wimp - Julia turns evil - Ed is cringe (and also non binary) You can say that Fanfic Beflop Live Action Nexflix version Tanked 😉 0:34 Listening to the songs felt like it transported me back in time to little me watching Cowboy Bebop & Outlaw Star etc. back on Toonami late at night. 😄 Those were the days... 😟
damn outlaw star, that thing looks like a shining gem, sure it might have fallen into the shadow of Cowboy Bebop, but that anime too was a real beauty..
Cowboy Bebop: Is *HEAVILY* inspired by Live Action movies of the 70's and 80's, even going as far as to animate in a way that is reminiscent of those artistic camera angles/styles that are similar to modern Tarantino films. Also, next to GitS and Trigun and Black Lagoon, probably the easiest to translate 1 - 1 into Live Action. NETFLIX: "I'm gonna just ignore ALL that. Also, Spike is 50 and we don't need to hire any decent fight choreographer - especially ignore the essence of Spike's martial arts. AND Faye Valentine is like OMG Super Stronk Lesbian now and can fight Spike 1vs1 and beat him up. Yeah, that's seems good. Also Jet is actually Black now and CUCKED by his ex-best-friend-partner.... and just look at how funny we are with what we did to Ed! We on to a hit boys!" Neflix, YOU DID NOT NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING. 1 - 1 adaptation, with actual high budget and CARE ABOUT THE SOURCE MATERIAL and this story would have been the greatest live action series of all time. Bar none.
I had to cut a lot of footage from the video due to youtube blocking the original cuts world wide.
Really looking forward to that Netflix Gundam series now!
I wanna defend death note, Willem Dafoe was actually a pretty good ryuk. Though... okay so Willem was the only "actor" there... but still... he actually cared about his role... now I feel bad for Willem...
You still have Chris Farley in there and that's what counts.
They had to make the females overtake the men in every way, even at being bad. If men can be crude Faye has to be even cruder, and if Vicious is evil then Julia has to be the ultimate evil villain.
Dude they did the same thing on Amazon with The Wheel of Time... Totally ruined it... I just hope Netflix won't touch Trigun..
Claiming you "fixed" someone else's work is the most disrespectful thing you can possibly say to them
The only time it is, is saying you fixed it and doing nothing to it, so you can tell the creator they did perfectly fine.
They didn't fix shit though really.
Hopefully someone fixes m.night shamalan avatar....
good art also never needs to be 'fixed'. it's 'problematic' on purpose because it's trying to open your eyes about something important, and real life isn't white-washed the way twitter wants it to be.
Had an editor do this to me, and now I don't work with that person at all
"There are 3 things I hate the most in life. Kids, pets, and women with attitude. So tell me Jet why do we have all of them packed in our ship?" - Spike Spiegel
😆😆😆
i remember that quote that was hilarious
Funny as hell and informs us beautifully of Spike's character, he may put on a hard face, but deep down, he can be compassionate and caring when he needs to be. Made more so with Toys In The Attic.
I can't stop laughing best comment ever!!
@@shadowofthenorthstar989 I also remember from the Cowboy Bebop movie where Spike says "And you, you take too long to take a shit!" I laughed my head off that line.
taking a character who's main plot line is having been feminized against his will and making him non binary is the single most insulting thing that's been done in one of these adaptations. Like it is genuinely offensive
Even better they took his disfigurement which was portrayed as a horrific consequence of being made into a supersoldier in the anime, and turned it into a virtue.
Fuck's sake.
@@barahng I don't think he was even a supersoldier. Just a generally skilled soldier. They held him captive and were simply testing random drugs on him.
@@arnox4554 Yeah, him being an ordinary soldier was what made it much more depressing because after being unwillingly subject to experimentations with said chemicals there was literally no benefit to him. Just the consequences of other’s actions
Don’t get me started on their twisted headcanons that ed isn’t a girl or whatever
Just like in real life, transition procedure horror stories where the person in question didn't identify as the opposite sex get covered up! Bravo Netflix!
What sucks is netflix doesn't take this as criticism, they see it as incel woke-hate and just feel they need to go harder. It's a horrible cycle.
Yes! It's so damn frustrating. The ruined the first season of the witcher and after all of the backlash, they decided to double down. I'm genuinely so sick of this "woke" nonsense. My six year old neice came over a week ago and she turned on my TV. The first thing that popped up was a show about sex with two lesbians laying down on a bed together talking about orgasms.
@@nightshadehelis9821 what channel was it on? Cuz a show of that nature certainly wouldn’t be on a kids network. I’d suggest supervising kids on anything
@@nightshadehelis9821 ...what.
Same thing with Disney Plus and She-Hulk, it's a fucking joke.
The anime is just about perfect, Netflix really are bastards
They killed cowboy Bebop those bastards
Any anime turned to live action just sucks. Netflix isn’t the only one conducting these types of Atrocious Actions.
i heard they said they fixed the series with this adaptation the audacity of those guys
They can't even resist they had to race swap Jet Black because why? Diversity. For anyone that does not know Jet Black is Asian not Black.
Wouldn't be the first time anime was ruined by a live action look at the live action Avatar the Last Airbender.
"Righting the wrongs of the anime" . . . . . . dear God almighty, the amount of hubris and narcissism on display from the people behind this adaptation is beyond painful. This just makes me glad I cancelled Netflix months ago. Papa Gundam, I salute you for toughing out this abomination.
This an epidemic in Hollywood, they believe their better than everyone else, and the media forms of anime and video games get treated like lesser forms of art. We’ll get fucked Hollywood, and Netflix.
I canceled Netflix last year, and I haven't missed it yet. Was a good decision.
It's ironic they preach against political incorrectness, and "cultural appropriation," yet practice it themselves.
I read the article, and while their intention is one of good (trans trauma, not wanting to portray something as traumatic or violating as what Gren really went through), their execution and ultimate handling of it is terrible. Lots of talk about "they/them" and making it a story about hope, but completely missing the point that even in the far distant future, _people suck and will do horrible things to each other_. That's even the culmination of Gren's arc! He wants revenge against Vicious for the horrible things done to him.
Instead we get some David Bowie wannabee in a leather dress.
@@adde27 inserting political agendas into media never goes well, I struggle to think of a single instance where a change was made to push a agenda that went well, often it just comes off as cheap.
Yu Yu Hakusho: _chuckles_ “I’m in danger”
God please no! Leave my childhood alone.
Gundam is next on the block...
Live Action One Piece too. The cast was ok but it will be made by the same production company as Netflix Cowboy Bebop.
Cant wait for Yusuke' s "Guess who" or "If you a man, act like a man" (quotes from Brazillian dub on the Trans Demon fight).
Just wait until they bastardize Samurai Champloo.
"Don't compare it to the anime, it's its own thing"
THEN WHY DID THEY CALL IT COWBOY BEBOP!?
Well they used the names of the characters sort of lol
Exactly! So often tying the adaptation so closely to the original beloved piece of media can only hurt it. It was kinda shit, but in my opinion it would have had much better chances at succeeding if it hadn't been a direct adaptation, but just been inspired by or based in the same universe as Bebop, and made by the same people as the original. My main evidence: Carole & Tuesday was great.
Omg did the director actually said that 😫 ughh
Liberal film making, changing shit , changing characters colors , gender, pretty sure fay wasn't gay either.
Let make a movie with a white gay MLK and see how it plays out. It's bullshit and people are tired of seeing it.
@@marineshtf9954 Changing ethnicities or sexualities was literally the smallest issue here... Bebop was already diverse, if anything they watered it down with how they handled Gren.
“Our show is a love letter to the anime”
Written on the wall in the victim’s blood
The Time will come we will stand up all Anime Characters 2021 😂 i cant take that stuff seriously so i know the Anime thats good for me. and thx Gundam we can see you clearly like the Anime
Colonel Sumner, Sir! I didn't know you made it back from the Hive Ship!
Yeah, Ted Bundy's actions was a love letter to women apparently.
Stop giving me love letters, Netflix. I don't care if you love my ass, just give me something worth watching.
Once we get a restraining order against Netflix, we can use those "love letters" as evidence in a court of law. What part of "no contact" don't they understand?
Netflix ruins just about everything they touch - anime, history, kids etc.
They did make a good Monster Hunter movie.
ya netflix and chill at epstein island
@@jakomioftherose2434 TBF there isn't too much of a plot for Monster hunter games. I only played 2 games, so there might be a plot in some of the games.
not Baki though, thank god
I cancelled my Netflix subscription to sign HBO Max. Way better shows there
After how they butchered “Death Note,” what was anyone expecting?
Dragon ball evolution is actually the worst
True, but Dragonball wasn’t done by Netflix.
nah we always knew it was going to suck but we didn't know how bad
@@SkylarTrahan idk bruh. The choreographed dance sequences of bending was kinda hilarious in like a stage play sort of way. Deathflix was just massive cringe the whole time. Plus the Dutch angles. THE DUTCH ANGLES
Just wait for one piece ahaha
“This isn’t an adaptation, it’s a god damn fan fiction that should have been left on tumblr where it belongs” basically summed it up perfectly.
i think calling it fan fiction is probably an insult to fan fiction, i turned off the 1st episode of this abomination after 10-15 minutes
This is exactly how I felt about the witcher series.
Fanfics are usually better than this, unless you're on Wattpad.
Fan fictions are better than that woke hollywierd BS.
This is true of most movies and shows now
"Its a love letter to the anime. " also them " We fixed everything the anime got wrong. " these two quotes say everything.
"It's bad on purpose" has joined the chat.
How the fuck the source material is more flawed than its copy
It's hate mail delivered express.
Love letter? More like a ransom note
Pretty sure that's exactly what Skamissian said to trigger Gamergate, and then the later to create comicsgate. Who's ready for animegate? Cause I love my subtle sex appeal(Nami and Pyra) just the way it is!
That one clip of Faye screaming like a banshee at the bad guys is all I need to see. Faye in the Anime would just blast the place first and MAYBE go: "well boys, I'ts been fun but I've gotta run." In a seductive way. What a fucking waste of a show.
i love that scene where she receive the debt of that guy and she flips the table in rage
"His last name is Black so he must be played by a black guy"
*Sirius Black: Surely you can't be Serious Meme here*
Dr. Rumack: Of course I can, and don’t call me Shirley.
Missed opportunity to say Surely you can't be Sirius...
Well he was in prison
Surely these gits jest. -Regulus Black
Sirius Black but he's a stereotypical Jamaican guy
Gundam, I have seen both Death Note and Cowboy Bebop in their entirety. The Cowboy Bebop adaptation was WAY worse than Death Note.
Didn't expect to see u here man!
Mind elaborating?
@@IGeorge94 Death Note was funny bad.
This is "I want to die" bad.
@@denkerbosu3551 Fair enough.
I can't wait to hear that whiny voice condescendingly speed read some pseudo intellectual drivel explaining why!
"righting the wrongs of the anime"
... what an extreme level of arrogance.
They intend to right the wrongs of society as a whole. That's the level of hubris you have to get in order to be like them.
The part about Ed is so true. That stuff ONLY works in animation, games, etc. Seeing a real human being act that was is nothing but annoying.
So many things that are "cool" or "cute" or "funny" in animation, is complete cringe in real life.
That's why the guy in class who tries to act like his favourite badass anime character has no friends. Because if you act like an anime character in real life, you look like an idiot.
this is interesting from psychological point of view, isnt it? We see a representation of a human acting in a weird way and its quirky and cool, but actual humans acting this way is pure cringe.
Ed's character wasn't cringe in the anime? I mean there was a lot to like about Ed such as being a computer hacker, but I didn't exactly miss her when she wasn't on screen.
There is ways to act like your favorite characters but never rip it straight from source. Little things like body language and facial expressions change how it comes across massively. And a lot of things yes DON'T crossover to real world acts. Some not because the act doesn't fit physically but because you are aware that it is a real person doing it not a character. For example if you see a game or anime character walking with a sword the size of a dinosaur on their shoulder you think cool but you are also aware they are not a person so you have different expectations. But see a real person walking with a stupidly oversized sword the only thought you will have is are they a idiot because you are aware they are a person. Others don't fit because they are context specific and just acting like that does not mean you have the context. And still others simply don't work because of the simple reality that in all honesty the actions were dumb but looked fun in the show or game.
@@spartanonxy Not just such overtly exagerated things either. The way anime characters adjust their glasses with the middle fingers. I've seen a clip of a guy doing that IRL, and it looked stupid beyond words.
Other things like how they tilt their heads when asking questions, and other subtle things (in anime context) looks weird as hell when a real person does it.
@@88detour That also has to do with Ed serving almost no purpose whenever she WAS on screen. There might be 4 episodes in the entire show where she is integral to the plot: When she first is interfuced, the mushroom episode, the cult episode, and the one she leaves in.
If you remove her from the show, almost nothing changes. THAT is a huge issue with the character. She was pure background character for most of the time.
"This show isn't for you"
That's true, that show is for nobody. Nobody would appreciate such a giant pile of crap.
amen
I did
@@thewitness9657 I feel bad for you, knowing you have such warped senses.
@@denkerbosu3551 no it's not. The cowboy bebop la is a decent series. Most of you guys insulting the show haven't even seen it while the one's who have are being too emotional about the series which is clouding your judgement. Sure they messed up some characters and some of the scenes are cringey but it's still a decent show. If you watch the series without only looking for the bad things in it you'll definitely enjoy it. And it's not like the anime was that great lol.
@@thewitness9657 well then either you have poor taste, your overly optimistic and choose to only see the best, or haven't seen/appreciated the anime version. I'm hoping its optimism.
Didn’t a bunch of “artists” on Twitter or Tumblr get caught “fixing” anime art? Usually their “fix” was something hideous and unartistic, too. After watching, it’s occurred to me that these Netflix adaptations are just like that; they try to “fix” something that ain’t broken by making a hideous, disfigured effigy of it and claiming it’s somehow better, “more accurate” or something.
Someone’s probably already said it, or already made this comparison, but I feel it needs saying.
🖐👏 this this is exactly what they want while adding their politics
That’s because those same Tumblrinas grew up, left high school, and got jobs at Netflix lmao
Yeah they have that disgusting red blush on their face, a square head and an ogre nose.
@@spaceghost8886 👀💀 diseases
Always cracks me up how all characters have to be ugly or gay unless being trad and attractive would look good for the CCP
Bro the Netflix Cowboy Bebop adaption is literally just Seinfeld someone literally edited the sound track and it was 😂
And that's just the obvious
Wait, did Seinfeld actually have a laugh track? I can't remember anymore.
@@arnox4554 I believe it did because I distinctly remember an audience always cheering when Kramer would enter a scene.
@@arnox4554 Yep, was packed full of canned laughter. Manipulating sheeple into thinking something's funny. They gotta bleat with the rest of the herd.
Now Netflix should make a live action adaptation of High Guardian Spice
And to add insult to injury, the Netflix version was not even as diverse as the original anime.
Yup
@@failuretocomply8528 lol trying to get that netflix shill goodie bag
That's the whole reason why this live-action show exist but "hey its a trend so lets capitilize". NO JUST NO. this could have been a succes without the bad writing and change in direction, AND THAT'S WHAT SEASON 2 NEEDS, FIXING.
Instead of Gren being a typical "hey i'm your Gay bestfriend character to support gay rights' is another typical trend thing to do these days. she could easily have been a big role for Trans & Non-BInary people who feel like a gender but are the oppisote in body, that would've meant HUGE since Anime Gren's backstory was that she was a test lab-rat where the test made his hormones grow breast etc.
i can continue but i won't tbh you already get the point, it needs fixing in Storytelling AND direction, they should follow the Manga for continuity.
PS; Isn't it funny that almost every character got a major change in them while they kept ED TOTALLY THE SAME when it should've been vice versa.
Exactly
@@DragonwaveOG it was made this way intentionally. The whole point in making this live-action is to undermine the radical messages of the original. It being this bad IS NOT AN ACCIDENT. I know that sounds crazy but its what I truly believe. All evidence points to it. They aren't going to do any better with season 2; they have accomplished precisely what they set out to accomplish and will continue on the same trajectory.
Japan should make a law making any live action adaptation of an anime illegal unless the show is truly supervised from start to finish by the original author and some of the anime studio's leads.
Newsflash: Japan DOES NOT unfortunately care. Sunrise never cared. They wanted a quick buck and they are probably having a big laugh seeing this failed adaptation.
While we are at it how about people stop whining about these adaptations and do something with their life I’m already ringing my hands over the Netflix one piece!
Or better yet Japan should be payed for every failed live action anime adaptation made by America based on how much said adaptation costed to make.
Yoko Kanno was present though?
This anime helped mold me to the woman I am today. This taught me lessons growing up that no teacher or parent knew how to explain to me. I refuse to acknowledge the Netflix shows. They don’t exist in my life.
I feel the same way I revisit this anime and a few others every year to see how I've grown and to see if my opinions have changed to that of what I tough of it when I first saw it
who asked
Please prey tell what lessons for women hood were in cowboy bebob? Cause you and me are thinking of different animes.
@@qmazing9614 I think it's less "womanhood" and more general life lessons that anyone can/should learn.
"How does it feel to live long enough to see your favorite franchises burn?"
It hurts 🤕
It hurts bro......
I used to think at least my old nerdy sci-fi books were safe, but wfter watching an episode of Apple’s Foundation I know nothing is safe.
@@RenlangRen foundation suffered worse than cowboy bebop i think. They shouldve just made a whole show about the genetic dynasty and it wouldve been great
@@YahRayEl I will never understand why these studios pay for the rights to a popular franchise, and then make something out of it that has none of the qualities of that franchise.
"Evil cannot create, only corrupt."
Another example of this quote holding water.
Who said this? Does Hitler being an artist mess with this quote?
not trying to be an ass,just high and curious.
God creates, Satan corrupts.
@@x_VineM_x Hitler tried to be an artist, but he couldn't create. So he corrupted.
@@benjamintherogue2421 he was pretty good tbh, the art schools were just getting into all modernist, conceptual and Dada rubbish at the time and had no place for classical artists.
@@x_VineM_x I think it's from Tolkien. How the elves were corrupted into orcs because the big bad couldn't create
I've stopped calling them "live-action adaptations" and started calling them "live-action fanfictions."
Fan fictions are better than this woke hollywierd BS
That "writing the wrongs of the anime" was the thing that made me more mad than anything about this piece of junk. It's so insulting to everybody who was involved in the creation of the anime and us as fans that enjoyed it. Who are they to say what is right and wrong? It's not their work, they stole it and put their own disgusting spin on it.
Always imagine them wearing a skinsuit when they talk about Cowboy Bebop.
Well what's funny about them making such a ridiculously idiotic claim is that, watching how quickly and how badly this abomination fails. Ratioed like FK. This is garbage, that is the general consensus and they know it. The original was perfect how it was and the only thing that's "problematic" is them.
They put their disgusting stink on it
I enjoyed it. Rather like an attempt then none at all. but thats just me.
@@SaguraXSousuke Yeah I tried that piece of shit, I rather like to eat something than none at all, but that's just me.
A lot of the times, nothing is better than "an attempt"
If you constantly have to point out a character’s sexuality and nothing else, you don’t have a character.
Completely agree. Sad thing most characters now are one dimensional. Real people are more than just their sex/gender, race, etc, etc. Thats why the original Bebop characters were so beloved because they are relatable, multifaceted and flawed and not simply the poster child for a single minded agenda.
It’s more than a little douchey to quote yourself. But yeah, I agree with the sentiment. Just skip the self quotation part next time.
I remember back in... right around 2003. I was talking about how much hollywood sucks at this. And this isn't exactly new either, because we were joking about what if, like what if they made a Metroid movie, how godawful it would be. Because like we said back then these knobs would be "let's make samus a guy in a latex suit!".
Now though. Any time i hear that they're doing a remake or reboot or live action anything, we immediately know that property is dead. Ruined. And we know exactly how they'll destroy it too.
Well you can apply that to reality as well
@@NeoTrunks7 I dunnooooo~ I feel most people these days are exclusively defined by their race, orientation and gender so... Maybe the rest of us are no longer real people. We're being replaced by synths or something = 3=
I've heard of Cowboy Bebop and seen clips here and there over the last couple decades, but never sat and watched it all. So, when I heard about the Netflix version, I binged all of the original anime in a couple days a few weeks before the live action. As someone just watching it now, I'm not a hardcore fan or anything, but the whole time watching Netflix I was just like, "Why? Why did they do this?" or "Why did they change that?" I was able to get through it all, but I can only imagine how true fans must feel and you have my sympathy. I have a lot of Anime that I am a super fan of and the thought of them being butchered saddens me if they ever went Live Action. I would have thought Gren would have been Gay at most, given he was in a male colony and sleeping with trans women. Faye being lesbian was just stupid, and Ed being non binary makes no sense either. Ed identifies as a girl, and corrects people when they call her a him. Ed is a girl that looks like a boy presumably because she is so ragged and unkempt. Very tomboyish, but identifies as female. It was all just so stupid. I hate this time period >_> I'm tired of forced, cringe politics.
I was so mad about Ed, I won't watch it. As a ragamuffin young tomboy, she was my idol, and one of the only girls in animation that was creative, smart, tech oriented, animal lover, silly and boyish at the time. She helped me come to terms with being myself and not trying to be feminine or girly just to fit in. She showed me that being authentic is the best thing I can do for myself, and others.
Livid.
Livid is a word.
I didn't know they made Faye gay. I already wasn't going to watch it, but now I'm super not going to watch it
@@dillonkeller4477 not watching but down voting it definitely
I presume spoilers are fine because no one here will watch but:
yeah, there was a scene in live action where the ship needed repair and the mechanic was a lesbian and was flirting hardcore with Faye, which I honestly thought was fine and kind of funny. Even the reaction of Faye was funny. Then the scene cuts out to other stuff. Then later it cuts in on Faye and the Mechanic on the floor in the engine room post sex and then I was like OMG really? That was just dumb. Then like the rest of the show Faye became some kind of weird pansexual advocate or something, reading magazines about different kinds of sex and saying, "People should be more open minded." Which just destroyed it for me.
For everyone out there checking this video out, Netflix has cancelled the show.
Thank you Netflix for doing the right thing.
the "right thing" would have been to not make it at all
And no thank you Karen’s for being so butthurt over these things
@@17jacoyne Don't worry, sweetie, there's still plenty of garbage cans for you to slurp refuse out of.
That whole late 90's early 2000's era of animation in general was criminally underappreciated.
Was the best time man
Because they had every thing to lose, nothing to gain, but story to love
theres a boatload of bad anime from 90s and 2000s, just because we had outliers doesnt speak for the majority.
Those 90s bad anime are meme worthy bad. Not desecrate the original IP bad. Cowboy LA is like Double Dragon: The Movie
I miss Trigun
I am really disappointed with the newer generation of media, consumers, and writers being creatively bankrupt and consuners not being able to distinguish whats good or bad anymore.
Cowboy Beebop's remake is a proof of that
Thank you for saying it. I've been seeing this since at least 2010
Super Crooks is a fix to forget that anime existed ;P
@@thearkheartguy Mainstream media was always like this: shallow, generic and catering to the lowest common denominator. There are exceptions, but they're pretty rare.
They did the show dirty, but Vicious hurt the worst. Vicious was a man obsessed with power. He was a narcissist and a master manipulator who was calm, cool, and totally in control of his emotions, except when it came to Spike, the only person he probably saw as an equal. The showdown in the cathedral was our first glimpse at their fractured relationship. He came to view Spike as an enigma, someone who lost his nerve and abandoned the only thing that mattered. Vicious was so lost inside his own ideals that he was totally incapable of understanding how Spike could exist outside of the fold, and it made him furious:
"When angels are forced out of heaven, they become devils. You agree, don't you Spike?"
"I'm just watching a bad dream I never wake up from."
"I'll wake you up right now."
"What's your rush, Vicious? After all, it's been a long time."
"Are you pleading for your life?"
"Hardly. Begging doesn't work on you, remember? Even if it's coming from the man who took you in and made you what you are."
"He was a beast who lost his fangs. That's why he had to die, Spike, and that's why you have to die. You should see yourself. Do you have any idea what you look like right at this moment, Spike?"
"What?"
"A ravenous beast. The same blood runs through both of us. The blood of a beast who wanders, hunting for the blood of others."
"I've bled all that kind of blood away."
"THEN WHY ARE YOU STILL ALIVE?!"
He showed a brief clip of him at the start, and my genuine reaction was.
"Wait, which show is that from? I don't get the reference."
And then he showed that same guy and talked about Vicious and I went "Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck me."
Then he showed Radical Edward and I decided knives would look just dashing lodged into my brain.
That scene is one of my favorites in cinema. Thanks for the spot on analysis.
They turned Vicious into Lucius Malfoy after Voldemort took over the Malfoy house as his base of operations. He is an emasculated Lucius Malfoy.
@@lainiwakura1776 So, they turned him into Draco Malfoy?
@@haku8135 Yeah definite Draco energy.
OG Vicious: Thin, lethal, *emotionless,* somewhat unkept hair.
Netflix Vicious: an unholy fusion between Netflix Geralt of Rivia and Heisenburg from RE8.
“People just don’t know when to quit.” Yeah, like how Netflix doesn’t know when to quit using their excess of money to make trash adaptations not run by a proper producer.
At this point, i'm very sure it's just some money laundering scheme like high art lmao
Hello Witcher series...
@@KraussAudioBooks The Witcher Series is an exception as well as a few other shows. It’s like a small Diamond in a entire sea of trash.
@@Gammaburst1298 no its horrible man
@@KraussAudioBooks O, not big on Witcher lore, so I thought it was fine, as well as my friend who played Witcher 3 for hundreds of hours soloing bosses with low equipment to just give himself a challenge. It didn’t stick to everything the Witcher has in the lore, but aesthetically it’s pleasing to the eye. The garbs and weapons are pretty close to how the games depict em.
That alone makes it infinitely better than Cowboy Beebop Netflix adaptation, cause atleast it looks like the Witcher.
The part with George Washington's "poorly copied history" may be short, but I found it hilarious. It made my day all by itself. :)
there was a game that did that, was supposed to be a trilogy but failed spectacularly on sales and never got a sequel, can't remember the name, but I'm still pissed off about it lol.
You mean like Ronald Reagan riding a raptor with machine pistol.
😂 And he used Lucius Malfoys head for some reason.
Netflix: "wE FiXeD It"
The actual fanbase: "look how they massacred my boy"
If I could I'd ask Shinichiro Watanabe how he feels about this shit adaptation of his great work
I wouldn't be surprised if he's doing the same I am, ignoring it completely and keeping my comments about it to a minimum. XD
I heard the creator didn’t want anything to do with it
He told everyone it was bad and that he had no input or control since sunrise owned the ip and sold it without his input to netflix. He told everyone to avoid it in and interview.
Wantanabe literally oversaw the entire production & had the power to deny/approve anything
@@josephweeks3815, the sauce please.
Vicious screaming like a little b- when getting shot reminds me of when Kira met Ryuk for the first time in the Deathnote Netflix adaptation. That was hilarious and pathetic all at once too 🤣
Honestly, I thought it was Spike screaming.
Wait, are you me that Quarry King is still kicking on Twitter?
I thought that he went to prison for holding a girl at knifepoint at the back of a church.
Here we have the enlighted one. I mean I thought you were too serious for this channel.
A guy i know on discord hates your guts
Great vids but I think you're missing the word 'telling'?
.@@Ryzeex. You're telling me!
@@johnseppethe2nd2... and that guy is somehow relevant because...?
There Netflix adaptations are the reason why we "should" have a dislike counter.
They should come with a disclaimer and warning:
THIS SHOW IS A LIVE-ACTION ADAPTATION OF AN ANIME. IT IS MUCH WORSE THAN THE SOURCE MATERIAL. WOULD YOU JUST LIKE TO WATCH THE ANIME INSTEAD?
This would help alot of people.
Vice and Gamespot be like: “Dont focus on the piece of shit pick out the little pieces of corn” brilliantly put Gundam 🤣
Vice headline "Netflix's 'Cowboy Bebop' isn't supposed to be good"
Who the hell would listen to any of those two.
@@mikecampos1193 Gamespot actually used to be legit good. They wrote some of the best reviews. Those days are long gone now though...
Can we also talk about how original Spike/Vicious feud was basically a prototype for Dante/Vergil from Devil May Cry? A crazy badass character hiding the pain underneath careless attitude vs cold and calculated murderer who will have his way no matter what?
Yeah, this dynamic is lost now.
"Faye is gay now"
Unsurprisingly the show fails the Reverse Bechdel Test. Like fkn clockwork.
Also not a con-artist gambler, let's just make a different character and hope nobody notices
The actress said that since she doesn’t know who she is, she would try things. Huhhhhhh so you can choose to be gay I guess. Not very PC of you lady! Lol
@@bigazzasian
My only response to Faye being les and "trying things"... NICE
fun to picture the Anime character doing that, her actor in this... not as much
@@RyanWBL it just wasn't needed... it was just cringe worthy sadly....
Why can't they hire a HARDCORE FAN of any anime as a source to make live actions?!?!?!
Like I don't get it
It's not for the fans. It's to push an agenda
the agenda is making the pool of source material slimmer and slimmer for netflix, also its pushing the good workers away. Lets see how long netflix will try to create original before they fire their whole content creator department and resort back to being an online movie renting store.
I would got on an emotional spiel about what Cowboy Bebop means to me, how it came into my life in 2001, how it helped shape me as a man, but then I remembered that TH-cam has me shadow banned and only 1 out of 8 or so of my posts even pop up for anyone. It's all so tiring.
But it was a show I stumbled into by accident the first moment it premiered in the United States on Adult Swim. It was felt like fate. I've always carried the DVDs with me everywhere I have ever gone, even when I went off to war. At every level, from the characters, to the writing, to the music, to the art, to the style, it all spoke to me on the most personal level.
The sooner Netflix fades into nothingness, the better.
I've been shadow banned for years after my comments were getting thousands of likes or so, they either remove them entirely, or they put them at the bottom of the section. Social credit much?
Same for TH-cam as for Netflix, into the history bins they will go. Silencing dissenters is a man with one leg shooting himself in the foot. I feel you on Cowboy Bebop though, I was right there with you.
There's no such thing as shadow banning, it's more likely nobody cares about your opinion
fun fact youtube more like corporation
we need to reurn to bulletin board systems
I see and hear you, buddy.
Unpopular Opinion: Anime should not be made into live action. It’s better to leave it off animated forever.
I think it depends on the anime, the actors and weather or not the studio will actually remain faithful to the original vision. You get those three things and your golden
Agreed there is no reason to make live action anime ever
Changing a work's medium is very, very, VERY hard. Lord of the Rings had about a hundred versions that ranged from mediocre to terrible before Peter Jackson got his hands on it. It should only be engaged in with an appropriate level of seriousness and trepidation, or the only result will be failure.
Yeah, unless it’s a show called One Piece 😉
When these people say “fixed,” I interpret that to mean neutered. Because what this trash heap is; a neutering of something special and truly great. If people held on to the hope that this was going to be good, I question their sanity.
Yeah, their "fix" is just adding some LGBTQ+ characters and just changing the race of characters. It's never adding stuff the creator couldn't fit in, or adding in more manga/novel scenes that an anime couldn't fit in. They just have to make it some goofy diversity plug in that'll age horribly and people will only talk down on or forget in a year.
To fans, their reaction to the netflix adaptation was as follows:
Fans: “There was only a *set number of chain links* you could link together to make this bad, but still have a narrow amount of wiggle room redeemable qualities.”
Netflix: “Yes. And?”
Fans: “So could you please explain HOW IN THE FUCK DID YOU LINK THEM UP SO FUCKING TIGHTLY THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY *FUCKING N O T H I N G* REDEEMABLE ABOUT THIS BIG CITY SEWAGE WATER THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SELL OFF AS APPLE JUICE?!??!?!?!?!?! EXPLAIN TO ME!!!!!!”
Netflix: “tHe oRiGiNaL wAs tOo pRoBlEmAtIc fOr mOdErN tImEs, sO wE hAd tO fIx iT.”
Fans: “THEN WHY THE HELL DID YOU MAKE CUTIES?!?!?!?!?!”
Because sexualizing 10 year olds isn’t abuse or anything.
because rich old white dudes will liquidate assets to watch them...And because blackrock has our hands tied... Is you a rich old white dude? No? then your opinion is null and void. Now pay us more money for your subscription fees as all our contracts expire and content shifts to other platforms.
I know this comment is late. the only reason i'm back here now is because someone just commented on my post from 10 months ago lol
First He-Man and now Cowboy Bebop. Classic cartoon properties have been getting REEMED in 2021, among other things.
Reminds me of the Full-Metal Alchemist live action.
The horror...
Wait for one piece , yuyuhakusho , gundam , hell what's next? Sailor moon live action series?
"Queer coded" or "gay coded" really means "In my shitty fanfic interpretation of the character that completely ignores all evidence provided by the show, this character is gay etc." Given the lengths I've seen people go to to delude themselves into thinking a canonically 100% straight character is actually gay, anybody could be classed as "queer coded" by their rules. Unless the show or movie was made in the times when being gay was illegal, I'm pretty sure the writer would have just had the character be gay in the story they wrote if that's what they really wanted. If the writer never said that a character was expressly gay in their story and there's literally no evidence to support it, they're not gay. End of story. Nobody who thinks they know characters better than the actual story and the people who wrote it should be allowed to ever make content for that character. If you're so desperate for more gay characters, make new ones in new stories. If they're actually good, they'll end up popular too because we don't live in the 50s anymore and most people don't give a shit if you're gay. Case in point, Captain Jack Harkness from Doctor Who is one of the more popular characters in the show because he cool and no one cares that he's bi.
That is the point, they don't want straight people to exist.
Just look at the laws they pass & vote for.
@@but_iWantedTo_speakGerman what laws?
but when they try to make their shows, it's insipid, downright insulting shit like q force.
what bothers me is when they change characters to be gay or non-binary just for the sake of it, you're automatically a bigot or phobic this or phobic that for not liking their new creation.
they do not and can not see that distinction, that a show can be bad even if the characters are gay/trans/bi/etc. the show is fundamentally bad. their being whatever orientation is just happen stance.
@@gleipnirrr never mention that horrid shows name.
It bugs me what they did to Ed when she was always just a lanky girl who didn’t look very feminine.
I hate her I hate her I hate her
Burn the witch!
For real though, please let me never watch any further of this show, I'm going to watch the original and feel good about myself.
Sadly all the 4-5 stars people say " I never see the anime but I like this." Then the people calling anime fans weebos is rich. Gotta love the new generations ugh.
"Vicious... he looks like a cosplayer from San Diego Comicon" -- no, it's worse than that. It looks like an offbrand, bootleg version of Viserys Targaryen.
They butchered his charachter so bad, nevermind his look
@@alexm7627 I mean, his look was the first thing I noticed, but then he opened his mouth and just confirmed that not only did he LOOK like Viserys Targaryen, but he acted like him too.
Anyone else remember watching Cowboy Bebop in the early 2000’s Adult Swim?
I do. Love that show. See you space cowboy.
I bought the DVD set not long after.
@@jonkR96 lucky, I had to record it using a VCR.
Man I miss those days.
Cartoon Network was my whole child hood and not only introduced me to anime but with the amazing promos it was an experience.
I think the problem with all the emotions like we see with Vicious is these weak writers we have in holly wood are basically children. And children through fits when they don't get what they want, hence adults in movies act like children.
did you hear that from the critical drinker? He certainly said something like that a month ago, that doesn't discredit you though, I certainly agree whole heartedly with that sentiment, so many modern characters feel like they hold all the maturity you'd expect of a child.
That's an accurate insight my friend.
I havent seen Netflix CB, dont ever plan to, but everything ive seen of THIS terrible version of Viscious reminded me of that batshit insane villain from that dumb kids movie "Warriors of Virtue"
Are you some mind reader? Exactly what I thought
I started watching Cowboy Bebop at a time when I was figuring out life and trying to be independent. It was such a great show that it got me through my harsh times. The actors of the adaptation don't have any right to say it's a love letter. Shame on them.
I utterly hate people that simply say... "Cuz it's more accurate than the other adaptations, it must be good. " I'm not making this up. I've seen people calling themselves fans of the original Cowboy Bebop show that say this was decent or even good. Like WTF????
Probably cause they actually enjoyed it. Even i know people who liked it. Not everyone has to hate it lol
I just compare it to other shows and it’s bright and colourful compared to many others so it’s interesting enough.
Everyone is acting like we can not be anime fans if we enjoyed this show. I like it, it's not cowboy bepop but its not a bad show. I also know non anime fans who enjoy it. This type of criticism is why studio don't want to do live actions, subs, or pretty much anything new content wise with anime, because the fan base is to judgemental and expect everything dished out to be a 10/10.
@@juliolara5908 right??? fully agreed.
@@SaguraXSousuke marvel greenlit the original daredevil yet we continued to watch marvel movies ...look at us now lol. It takes practice to get it right. If we look back at live actions a few years ago compared to today we have progress.
Vice: "Netflix' Cowboy Bebop isn't supposed to be good."
a.k.a. "Ha ha, I was just pretending to be tarded and you fell for it!"
@Higgs Bonbon
Never too late to start.
“...and paying bills.” God. That statement hit harder than I was expecting.
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Gren's story could have been a great opportunity to discuss children being hormone blockers and/or cross-sex hormone treatments, but alas... too based for Netflix.
The way spike fights was literally so important to the show that an episode specifically has him explaining it. “Move like water, you have to be like fluid”
Your coment was just at 69 likes.
You get it! 👍
And yet the cast an actor that is stiff AF; he looks damn good for his age but he didn't *move* like Spike. Spike had that tall, lanky way of slouching when he walked but that would instantly turn to graceful movement in a fight. This actor manages to look like Spike (well, Spike once he hit the middle age wall) but moves like he's trying not to disturb an old injury.
@@sarasunshinemt4444 To be fair you'd basically need Bruce Lee himself to accurately portray Spike in a live action adaptation.
@@barahng There have been many other actors and martial artists after Bruce Lee that are EXTREMELY skilled. Tony Jaa immediately comes to mind. Watch Ong Bak 2 and you'll see just how fucking insane he is. None of it's wire-fu or green screen either.
Fayke: "You can watch the anime and then enjoy our show. You can enjoy our show and then watch the anime. Or you can just enjoy our show on its own."
Me: "Can I just not watch this crap?"
Fayke: "THAT WAS NOT AN OPTION."
that would be the worst way to attempt to get any enjoyment from it. it makes it look even worse by comparision
Just as when some couple came up with a merge of Die Hard, Jurassic Park and Terminator plot and the 1994 film of Super Mario Brothers came out, so Netflix merged Rush Hours with Friends and a "tragicomedy version" of Blade Runner, Cowboy Bebop came out. Netflix is truly the true house of ideas.
I've yet to tell my parents of the adaptation, not because I'm scared but moreso because it'd genuinely upset them because they grew up with Cowboy Bebop. I remember how they asked me if I recorded the movie and they wanted to watch it with me. That movie is a masterpiece, you can't change my mind about that. Well, unless you bring up the original Thing movie, the 2011 one made me want to jump off a bridge
what a sweet memory
"You wouldn't cast a dog to play a cat..."
Its so ironic that they actually did...
Netflix: “we are making a love letter to an extremely popular and beloved anime”
Also Netflix: let’s completely bastardize the story, underlying themes and message of the original show then claim we “fixed it”
If this show is a love letter, I’d rather take a “f’ck you” to the nuts. Love wasn’t involved in anything to do with this show.
In the anime, both Spike and Vicious have very little regard of their own lives and they sincerely believe only they both can put an end to their 'dreaming'. In Netflix, seems more like a competition between Spike and Vicious on who can give a better comeback line.
Faye was a complete trainwreck of a character..
When filming Saruman getting stabbed in the back Peter Jackson wanted Christopher Lee to scream when he was stabbed. Christopher Lee took Peter Jackson to the side and explained that when someone is stabbed in the back a person doesn't scream, they gasp as all air is forced from their lungs. Peter was later told the Christopher Lee did some very nefarious jobs behind enemy lines in WW2. Not cowboy bee bop related but an awesome fact that Christopher Lee was a bad ass.
Daniela Pineda saying "Don't think about it" is one of those quotes, like "Turn your brain off and enjoy." It encourages the idea of just letting consumers be easily taken advantage of for profit. I wanted to see this live action, but not with the Hollywood ideological pandering. I actually would prefer to see TH-camrs try to do this shit. I mean, look at Batinthesun. Some of my favorite live action adaptations of Batman characters, and they are TH-camrs. I think they also did the Death Battle type of thing with live action scenes instead of pixel/3D stuff that Death Battle actually does. Lets just have TH-camrs make adaptations instead. They're usually the actual fans without agendas to meet.
This isn't a love letter to the anime, it's a breakup written on a post-it that Netflix slapped on your fridge in the middle of the night while she packed up and left with the dog too.
Damn you Netflix bring back Dio
I still get chills when I hear 'Tank' and 'Real Folk Blues'.
yea
It’s so powerful.
The absolute arrogance of trying to "modernize" something that was already light-years beyond anything you will ever create.
"WhEn I tAkE WhAt SoMeOnE eLsE wRoTe AnD rEwRiTe It LiKe ThIs, It'S a lOvE LetTeR tO tHe oRiGInAl" - Netflix
The adaptation is the Times New Bastard of the show.
Gundam is right, the way CB intertwines stylish action, a great soundtrack and very mature, relatable themes elevates this series _way_ above simple anime into something way beyond mere entertainment. It really is an experience. No, it's a _mirror._ It reflects back what we all go through. It's relatable despite the sci-fi veneer.
It speaks to the soul of not just a single generation, but _everyone_ on a certain stretch of their life trajectory that we all pass through. Its themes are timeless and that's what makes it a real classic.
And this live-action knock-off seems to be missing all of that, substituting real heart for cheap quips and sitcom level comedy. What a shame.
I heard from some source, they sometimes direct or redraw the animation after listening to the song, for better viewing experience
Very well said. Thankfully we still can go back to the original work.
tbh, I've got similar iwbes from Black Lagoon and found it more likeable.
Waiting for those effers to make live-action out of that one and eff it up
@@adrianalexandrov7730 I like Black Lagoon, but it's not really on the same level as Bebop, especially in relatability. Too much 90's action girl schlock in its DNA to keep it grounded.
It seems to be going more in a Breaking Bad style direction anyway - in terms of watching how a regular guy can go down the path of crime and get transformed into a monster.
The only thing I'm glad about this Netflix adaptation is just to show the world that the anime is far more superior
Hope more people will watch the anime instead after this, especially for that sexy opening song 😂
And maybe one could say it was Netflix's intent from the begining.
But the people that Netflix targeted are not going to se the anime, because they needed to be pander and be literally on the screen
Putting the target audience aside for a min, If you make a big enough shitshow, every youtuber and their mom are gonna make videos talking about it. That generates engagement and notoriety, it will probably make a bunch of casuals to give the anime a watch.
@@revocable1687 Bingo - the types of people that watch this aren’t going to watch the anime, let alone _know_ there is an anime, imo.
Most people watching this garbage are the types of people to A.) not even know what anime is B.) know what it is in passing but can’t be bothered. They’ll just stick with this and either find it good or bad, but I doubt they’re going to seek the anime out. That’s just the reality of things.
I also have a hard time believing someone going out of their way to watch this are the types to have yet to even watch the original. If they’re going into it knowing it’s based off of the anime, then they’ve likely already watched it. If they haven’t, then there’s a reason.
@@TwoBs ok good point, but hear me out here. How about they stay in their shitty bubble while we enjoy the good anime. Bebop doesn't need more recognition, it's already as good as it ever will and no adaptations or sequels or OVAs or anything else is gonna change that.
If there are people that decide it's bad because they only know the Netflix adaptation, so be it. They are wrong and that's that.
Cowboy Bepop Anime Enjoyers: “Look at how they massacred our boy.”
cowpersxn bebop to make it more inclusive.
my father in law tried to tell me that the live action version is just as good as the anime. No way.
People having shitty taste is unfortunately very real.
Did he suffer a stroke recently?
Did you divorce your partner so you are not related to the father in law now?
Buy him a copy of the anime series and movie.
Does he even understand Cowboy Bebop, like i felt the same but THE LIVE-ACTION AINT THE reason the anime was plannend for a live_action to begin with
I really appreciate the LOTR comparison. I read all the books after I watched the movies and Peter Jackson did the best he could with making it 3 movies. Sure it missed some stuff but I don't think anyone could make a better film adaptation ever. I have also watched it from start to finish probably at least a dozen times.
PJ's LotR was fucking beautiful. Now THAT had true passion and work and blood and sweat put into that. It was oozing out of every pore of the movie. You knew that they cared deeply about the source material and portrayed it the best way they could.
Marathonning the extended cuts is an experience everyone should have in their lives.
Genuinely believe LotR is one of the things that adapted a masterpiece to a different medium and somehow still measured up to it. They're different but still masterpieces in their own right, and I can't recommend one over the other.
I’ve read the books and watched the movies plenty times and I like them but I’ve never been that interested in those type of fantasy stories, even then I can recognize that it’s objectively the greatest movie trilogy ever made and probably the best book adaptation ever. It’s truly phenomenal on another level, it’s just not for me
🤡🤡🤡🤡
Greatest trilogy of all time.
You know it's instantaneously BAD when both the access media critics & common folk critics scores are pretty low. It's simply a disgrace to the whole film & anime industry.
Meanwhile, We couldn't even get Alita sequel just because Disney bought Fox & love to fvkk the fans.
Quick note: The 'right the wrongs' remark by Gren's actor in the live action series was about Sleepaway Camp and its unfortunate implications, not Gren's character in the original series. That said, seeing a character that suffers from extreme body dysmorphia due to unethical experiments and changing it to "positive trans" character is one hell of a take.
Also, Daniella Pineda's "we're doing our own thing" spiel just feels so hollow. Because they're not; they're doing the exact same story as Cowboy Bebop and do it worse. If they really wanted to "do their own thing" while working with the Cowboy Bebop brand, they should've come up with a different story. Like, I dunno, Spike survived his encounter with Vicious, went off the grid for several years, gets pulled back into trouble for some reason and reunites with the crew to take on the next threat. And Jet, Faye and Ed all have mixed feelings about seeing him again because they did what he never could; they eventually moved on with their lives. The story would involve them dealing with this threat and navigating relationships with each other, aka people they now no longer actually know. Yes, this is a dumb plot that I just pulled out of my ass, but it's more "doing your own thing" than this.
I can see this was a very personal video for you, and I understand why. Netflix just ruined one of the best animations ever created to pander for a bigoted, ghost audience who can't deal with different artistic visions. The fact the original Cowboy Bebop is in their platform side by side with this shit is even funnier. And how the corporate drones disguised as nerds are ready to defend this shit like their lives depend on it.
this is going to be the last comment I read here. it's actually nauseating me seeing how many shills are defending this trash of a series. they are finding anything they can to shame me for disliking their crap show.
to me, their agenda for this woke leftist propaganda is made more obvious when they wont accept my reason for hating it. they cannot see why it's so bad. they will not come to terms that this is a fundamentally bad show that slaps the face of the original anime.
it's like seeing an unfunny non-binary progressive try standup. they bomb and instead of taking the critisicm that they suck because they dont know how to tell jokes, they instead, blame the audience for not getting the jokes enough to laugh at. you're wrong if you dont like how I cooked your steak. IT HAS to be burnt to a crisp. you liking medium rare is wrong because blah blah blah.
that's straight up gaslighting 101 and fu!%#&ng crazy to think they can try and repurpose my dislike for their shitty comedy.
the entitlement, audacity, narcissism, and lack of self awareness is mind blowing.
Preach !
The bastardization of media we grew up loving with woke garbage hurts me man. There are normies who have never watched the anime and will watched the Netflix show and say it’s the definitive cowboy bebop.
Me too. The witcher and Halo were both bastardized as well. Now Lord of the Rings is going to experience the exact same thing. They never learn.
Being said, props to Paramount for listening to Sonic fans and changing his design. They did the right thing and listened.
@@nightshadehelis9821the Halo show hurts even more after reading the script for the canceled movie. These companies are handed the golden goose and they toss it in the oven just to serve it burnt.
Trying to do a live version of Vicious is like trying to do a live version of Sephiroth
... oh God, Netflix is going to do a live action version of FF7, aren't they?
I still got DVD of advent children.
No regrets
@LibtardsStillCant SilenceMe17 LOL that's what's screaming in my head too right now
@@TSPH1992 God I loved Advent Children 🥰
@@CocktailsConsoles And musician Kyosuke Himuro had the best closing track of the entire movie. The Calling.
答えは風のなか
(You can shoot me if I made an error with my Japanese keyboard on my phone. I am still figuring out how kanji works)
Shame he had to stop due to his hearing being impaired.
His voice and music was one of a kind. And David Bowie was one of his heroes so that's a plus.
And a mass effect I think 🤔
I almost had a heart attack when you showed Ed. that right there shoulda been the end of this whole show lol
It was the end of it. That was the last episode before cancellation (thank God)
This wasn't a love letter. It was a ransom note.
"We have what you love. Send us cash. Just to let you know how serious we are. Here is a finger."
A ransom note indeed.
Written in crayon, and the finger they sent with it turns out to just be a sausage link.
Oh I am stealing that shit. Cheers
Honesty it's more like a hired killer writing a note threating not to kill someone, unless their pay is doubled. The problem is, they sent it to the wrong family member.
At this point, the existence of Netflix and hollywood is an offense to Anime prods.
Hollywood's days are over. California as entertainment hub is irrelevant.
"They made Vicious a wife-beater. Y'know, to make him relat- I mean.... disliked. Yeah, disliked."
“Righting the wrongs of the anime”…
WTF!!! You can’t add or fix perfection… because it’s fucking PERFECT!
Cowboy Bebop was the first Anime that I watched and finished in its entirety. It was a real eye opening experience to a culture and art I had never familiarized myself with.
This feels like Hollywood and Netflix are buying my childhood memories on the action block to pimp them out on the street corner for pocket change.
Not just financially unfeasible, but downright mean spirited and petty.
Thank god the actress warned us with what she imagined to be amazing clap-backs for the obvious and expected backlash to her "creative" costume redesign.
If they're gonna call me a sweaty pervert looking for spank bait because I think that the overtly provocative dress was part of Faye's character then I've seen all I needed to see about this "show".
Ed was just the final nail in the coffin of any temptation to give this show a watch.
Edit: I'm shocked and amazed that the writing staff of Netflix decided to not only make Jet black but ALSO make him an absentee dad.
10/10.
If it wasn't so progressive, it'd be insensitive. Does the fact that they added a token black guy balance this out? I think the jury is out on that one.
@Henzo88 Yeah, can't say I've been a fan for the longest time. Maybe I'm just getting too old and crusty to enjoy the hip new stuff they're trying to dish up.
Hollywood and Netflix: “We have the rights to a property that, if used correctly, would have the fans basically printing us money. We could end up with more money than Amazon if we just made good content that is true to the IP.”
Public: “Yes! We love that IP!”
Hollywood and Netflix: “We are going to change everything and inject the IP with guaranteed money losing identity politics, because everyone who was a fan of it is toxic.”
Public: puts their wallets away
Hollywood and Netflix: “Where is our Scrooge McDuck level fortune? It isn’t raining money at all! We gave them the thing!”
I think you missed the point about Jet. The reason for his relationship has nothing to do with skin color. It’s the fact that he got framed as a dirty cop and was locked up for a while. If you were with someone that had been outed as such a thing and didn’t know any better, would you want your kid around him?
@@somebloodyshade That's besides the point, Jet never had a kid!
It's not canon and never will be
It's not canon and never will be
It's not canon and never will be
It's not canon and never will be
It's not canon and never will be.
Fuck Netflix with a passion, they ruined my favorite anime, now they're going to ruin my favorite Shonen anime....One Piece. I'm all in favor in cutting off Los Angeles and letting it sink into the Pacific.
In the OG, Vicious was meant to represent what Spike used to be like if I recall, and meeting Julia was the thing that returned spikes humanity to him, otherwise he'd have been as cold as Vicious, but yeah this Vicious is so emotional its hard to believe Spike could have ever been anything like him. Heck when action scenes involved Vicious you never really hear any music playing, that's how cold and dead he came across.
In the live I did enjoy some moments, watching Spike & Jet's interactions, like whenever food is involved all of a sudden their motivation to catch a bounty goes up!
Teddy Bomber's portrayal without including Andy was a bit of a let down :(
I don't mind seeing the kung fu looking a little stiff, I've tried to appreciate the actors efforts at playing Spike.
But they sure missed a lot of the points the original anime was trying to put across like how each character seemed stuck in time and you could see each of their coping mechanisms to get through their depression one way or another.
How to destroy an anime...1) hire woke writers, 2) insult legacy characters, 3) insert agenda to p-off fans, 4) change characters and stories, 5) allow blue hair self inserts
For me, Cowboy Bebop transcends anime, it is a lesson in life, philosoohy, gain and loss, love and heartache, loss of friends, family, lovers over a bad decision, wrong timing or doomed plan to make a run for freedom with the galaxy at your heels only to see the one you loved turn into a monster and the last thing you see is the one who tried to help in the end.
Cowboy Bebop will make you actually feel and think. It is, in my opinion, the greatest lesson ever made.
The casting.. Acting.. Story change.. "It's not supposed to be good."? That is the excuse of a failure. "I am supposed to be obese and lazy.", "I use auto-tune because people like it not because I have a voice that would make sailors drown themselves to get away from the noise.". What the hell, and VICIOUS?! His hair is silver and barely wavy, straight and sharp**. I could have done a better job and I am 6'6" so it would look like a horrible joke, though I am damn good looking and my hair naturally animes itself. *Cough and self pat on the back with a cookie*
How the hell are those two supposed be Vicious and Spike? The guy looks like a dollar store version of that Slytherin dudes dad in Harry Potter and Cho's acting is a joke. How are those two going to make the iconic scene of the sword and gun? Cowboy Bebop ended with "Bang". There is no more and should never be. Some things end and become legendary.
When I watched this anime, I was young, full of rage and surrounded by people who hated me, really, it was one of the worst phases of my life.
But man I loved Cowboy Bebop, and the songs were in my head all day long and things didn't seem so bad.
Thanks Gundam, you said everything that needed to be said. Thank you very much.
"They made Vicious a wife beater so you can really root against him."
I mean for anyone that's had to deal with modern women/feminists I mean its one of those cases of the villains motives being arguably better than the heroes.
Even funnier, in order to leave the situation Julia tries to have Vicious murdered in cold blood, when that doesn't work she just sneaks up while the lads are having it out and takes advantage of wounded Vicious to shoot him, and to top it all off she shoots her ex-BF off a building for having the audacity to still have feelings for her and to exist when she thought he was dead. Oh and then she takes control of a vast criminal cartel, despite her only prior occupation being lounge singer.
@@nothanks3236 how dare you trying to subvert a good lgbt story with all your mansplaining and your logic and bringing back the original material? We have a transphobe mysoginist over here! /s
As much many like to talk about the main characters in modern entertainment and the writing, I gotta ask.
What about the villains, what do they really get? All I’m asking for is a villain that’s not only clever and compelling, but that they can throw hands with anybody that stands against them, and have the upper hand.
Did Captain Marvel had any villain that can break her arm, or chuck a grenade in her face? No, there was nothing that can even scrape her eyebrow, there’s no adversity.
@@LegacyComics100 It makes the entire scene with Jude Law at the end completely meaningless. She starts off the movie being able to beat his backside and...she ends up the movie being able to beat his backside. There's no growth at all.
@@nothanks3236 wow you summarized it painfully accurately. God it was terrible
The actor that plays spike is closer in age to master roshi, than he is to spike.
And yes, im fully aware that master roshi is 300 years old
- Spike is old
- Faye is gay & annoying
- Jet is black
- Gren is non binary
- Vicious is a wimp
- Julia turns evil
- Ed is cringe (and also non binary)
You can say that Fanfic Beflop Live Action Nexflix version Tanked 😉
0:34 Listening to the songs felt like it transported me back in time to little me watching Cowboy Bebop & Outlaw Star etc. back on Toonami late at night. 😄 Those were the days... 😟
This needs a 📌 & ❤
@@mysticphoenix1987 Agreed
Nexflix is gonna carry that weight
I read that they managed to get Yoko Kanno to do some of the score at least but she did all of the music in the anime.
damn outlaw star, that thing looks like a shining gem, sure it might have fallen into the shadow of Cowboy Bebop, but that anime too was a real beauty..
Cowboy Bebop: Is *HEAVILY* inspired by Live Action movies of the 70's and 80's, even going as far as to animate in a way that is reminiscent of those artistic camera angles/styles that are similar to modern Tarantino films. Also, next to GitS and Trigun and Black Lagoon, probably the easiest to translate 1 - 1 into Live Action.
NETFLIX: "I'm gonna just ignore ALL that. Also, Spike is 50 and we don't need to hire any decent fight choreographer - especially ignore the essence of Spike's martial arts. AND Faye Valentine is like OMG Super Stronk Lesbian now and can fight Spike 1vs1 and beat him up. Yeah, that's seems good. Also Jet is actually Black now and CUCKED by his ex-best-friend-partner.... and just look at how funny we are with what we did to Ed! We on to a hit boys!"
Neflix, YOU DID NOT NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING. 1 - 1 adaptation, with actual high budget and CARE ABOUT THE SOURCE MATERIAL and this story would have been the greatest live action series of all time. Bar none.