Control Theory - What is The Other?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2021
- Hello everyone. With a description of How to Create Altered Items in our knowledge bank, it is time to discuss a topic that has been floating around my head for the better part of a year. Between Chester Bless, The Board, Objects of Power, there is a web of information that all links back to one thing. That is this mysterious Other. But What is The Other?
In this video we will go through these clues piece together all connections leading to the identity of this unknown bit of Control Lore.
Please feel free to have free discussion in the comments section below.
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Please never stop these videos. The lore in Remedy is so deep and I appreciate your videos dissecting every part of it.
Based upon everything I have seen on the future of Remedy, I don't think I'll ever run out of content.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I pray you're correct. Just found your channel and it's helped A LOT with my anxiety.
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@@GamingUniversityUoGI'm late to the party... Experienced this gem of a game years back but never delved into any of the online discussions.
All the reddit posts are wild I need to complete my replay to refresh my memory before I get into those.
Glad I found this channel though....
I think the NSC-01 ending up in the same place where the Jukebox transports people ("the Formation") is just a coincidence. There are multiple mentions in the game about the Formation pulling in all sorts of things.
The Jukebox casefile has this to say: "When this object is used *in* *the* *Oldest* *House* , it only transports users to an area located in the recently-manifested Quarry Threshold. Researchers theorize that this site's unique spatial density results in all transitioning material gravitating to its position, as has been observed with other Bureau equipment."
Another document states that originally the Jukebox transported people onto a tropical beach. I think it's still trying to transport people there, but when it's inside the Oldest House, it's affected by the Formation's pull. Also, I don't think anyone intended for the NSC-01 to end up at the Formation specifically. It's just that when Northmoor's power started translocating it, it got caught up in the Formation's pull.
It could 100% be a coincidence or as you said, the Formation's influence. Either way it is impossible to say one way or another since we cannot test it outside of the Oldest House.
@@GamingUniversityUoG It could also still be transporting people to the same place, but on the other side, inside the Oldest House as opposed to outside.
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"Objects of Power are Holders / 665 to the Other / Blessing."
665 comes up a lot in Alan Wake 2, do you have any new theories on that?
@@Casey093when does it come up in Alan wake 2? Genuine question.
@@Xuskuif I remember right 665 is the room in the Ocean view that you meet Thomas Zane
I also interpreted a lot of references of "other" to Dylan, speaking back to the Jessie/Dylan duality.
Still waiting for an game mode where we play as Dylan and Jesse is the Hiss-infected sibling.
I like that the last bit on the whiteboard, the part you didn't read, simply asked "Who wrote this? Report to Dr. Darling!" That could mean that Darling saw some truth in what was said (as opposed to getting into trouble).
Darling saw something relevant there just like we do. I'd like to know who wrote it as well.
Gaming University: Always talking in a calm and collected manner.
Also Gaming University: 13:02 "I appreciate everyone following along with my ranting and raving on this topic." 😄
Lmao. Honestly, I originally intended to sound crazy during the Tin Foil Hat part.
In the foundation DLC, Dr. Ash mentions that the FBC has fallen victim to a "parasite," I think in reference to the board. In that DLC we get to see that the board deliberately sets up situations to deify themselves (the cave paintings of the board are not ancient, they were put in the caves after the scientists arrived) and also to cause tension that reinforces the board's power. Like letting the nail become corrupted so they could guide jesse to fix it.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Other is a different faction just going off of the will of the board, causing insurrection to make the board seem more significant/necessary to the FBC.
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Fra's helmet having a golden visor could easily be a coincidence, as it matches the Apollo 14 suits.
Yeah, I agree. The Fra Mauro Supplement states outright that Fra's "physical form" is identical to the space suits worn by the real astronauts.
Very likely. Again this one was about tossing ideas around. I'd still like to know the origin of Fra. Considering how many documents are laying around and story to draw from, this particular thing was big enough for Remedy to show it rather than simply tell us on paper.
Other way around, maybe the whiteboard took gold helmets from Apollo. (white...Board lol)
Didn't even take time to consider if the "Other" actually meant something - but as per usual, Remedy doesn't throw out random loose ends. This was a great and interesting watch! I'm thinking that the "Other" is just their word for the Astral Plane, and it has stronger connections to Altered Items and O.o.Ps than we originally thought. Here's a stretch: The Board is an Altered Item - perhaps as well as Altered Entities - that were caused when a group/object went unexpectedly into the plane, and perhaps the residence thought, as many voyagers into unknown lands, "We control this place". Through that subconscious thought, they grew to control the place, in which the place controlled much more than the plane.
Frankly I think the Other being another word for the Astral Plane makes the most sense. The Board's relationship to it, well that's another video altogether.
@@GamingUniversityUoG jesse going to the astral plane each time she acquires a new power also adds up to the Other being the astral plane according to the white board text saying the other allowed some heros to gain new powers and fight off the bad things. I wonder if the board originate from the time before the weird became normal…
yess that's the thing, i was surprised when he brought up the first contact with the board. I remember it but never reckon the other as a word that has special meaning
Yasss! Time to replay this video countless times
Haha yesssss! You enjoy it!
This video throws up so many questions
Is Fra an alien or something else?
Is the slide-projector perhaps linked to dylan or even jesse?
How is the ashtray still linked to Trench, even though he is dead or at least "gone"?
I also think that chester bless is a pseudonym and that he/she has perhaps some sort of connection to the FBC, given the amount of secrecy and infighting it displayed in the past.
There are a lot of places this universe could go to. As always, nice work.
I'd we refer back to the Altered Item video, I believe that the agent who took Altered materials home and accidentally created the rubber duck may be linked to paracriminals in some way. There are absolutely moles within the FBC.
I swear though, I don't think we will ever finish finding new places to explore in this game. So many threads to pull on.
Right! I want to know how certain o.o.p.'s are still connected to old directors. Then the letters in dead letters. There has to be more altered items running around the oldest house. Ones they havent caught onto.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Always made me think of Tennyson (or however you spell it) the guy passing around propaganda memos to FBC staff about technology and Science reducing the mysticism of AWEs and the Board.
It’s implied that the Tennyson report was written by Langston, so I wonder if Langston has been/or will be a mole for the Blessed Organization.
@@em791 honestly he seem's to be the opposite, the only person who is aware of the danger's of higher positions and actively chooses to not take advantage of the potential position as head of investigations,
the best place for information, and to cover up and stop investigations into the organisation,
he's honestly the only guy other than Jesse, Dylan, and Emily pope who id say you can bet on not being a mole.
It's been so long but it's always worth the wait.
Hope everything is going well Voltaic. And thank you!
@@GamingUniversityUoG I have a poorly written question, Mr. University.
We know that modern technology is banned because the Oldest House throws a wobbler over it but beyond simply being a reaction to not being allowed modern technology, do you think all the old technology the FBC uses helps ground the Oldest House? Perhaps because that technology is stable and no longer subject to change in the public psyche, such archetypal ideas are a ritualistic way to counter the House's shifting? Like we build our world out of solid, fixed bricks rather than trying to build walls from melting, reforming ice, so does the Board build their world out of solid fixed ideas.
In that vein could the Hiss be making the house shift more because the usual (or what passes for it in the Oldest House) has changed and become uncertain?
I've been cajoling my friend to play the Remedyverse and after a very long time it feels, we finally caught up to Control last night and my mind is going to be full of questions I can't discuss with him until he's finished.
@@Voltaic_Fire tell me your tricks to cajole someone to play Control! Been trying to convince my boyfriend for eons
Yay another Control Video bring it.
Respect and keep up the epic work.
I'll keep them coming if you keep on 'pun'ing.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Oh I'll be as PUN-ctual as I can be lol.
I think teleportation with the slide projector would be a cool mechanic for Control 2
Running around creating Thresholds at will. That would be nuts.
should the sequel take place outside the Oldest House, thus no Control Points, I see the Slide Projector being used as a fast-travel/safe haven tool. perhaps a similar mechanic to what's in Alan Wake 2, like Saga Anderson's Mind Place. but who knows, given the significance of that item anything is possible.
In the AWE expansion, there is a side quest called 'Gerbil Took The Top Head" where an individual who doesn't make any sense is locked in one of those Safe Haven rooms and he's looking for a 'head' which turns out to be a Space Helmet.
IDK if that has anything to do with The Other, but when I was reading what was on the white board--I'm wondering if that little side quest/person/what-have-you is connected as well? Or if I'm just looking too closely at a silly little side quest.
I have absolutely no clue lol. Honestly, I think we all look at little side quests a little too closely. That is this entire video. But it would be cool if Fra was connected to this mystery.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Well, if the little details matter like the white board, then why not the side quests too? After all, on the loading screen, it says The Hiss isn't the only threat to/in The Oldest House?
But I'm just shooting the shit at this point. *shrugs*
@@GamingUniversityUoG I wonder if Fra is apart of The Other. The way he speaks seems to be equivalent to the board. He doesn't know or language, so instead speaks in literal.
The board uses several words to describe things that you must do, just like Fra. And then you give him a helmet that we know causes one to travel inter dimensionally.
@@NotAnOmenno you have a point! It does say that, very clearly in a 1 minute loading screen. Just like all other tips and tidbits! I don't think anything has loose ends, they just haven't been so tied together, yet!
Or one could say they were hinting at Dr. Hartman which was added in a DLC, or maybe it's just referring to the Mold, which wasn't Hiss, either.
Thanks for making this video, i didnt even know what the other was
Absolutely! Yeah going down this rabbit hole was a huge lightbulb moment on my end too.
what if the other is headless astronaut suit aka Fra since he came from space and altered the memories of other NASA astronaut convincing the others that there were 4 members of the crew instead of the initial 3
I have no clue. We barely get anything about Fra other than its presence caused the memory manipulation and some form of energy is animating it. I'm assuming it took the form of a space suit because that it what it first encountered and assumed humans were. Like Ford in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy thoughts cars were the dominant life form on Earth and tried to shake ones hand.
@@GamingUniversityUoGthe sad part is...i didn't even know nolan north voice him
Wait really?! That's great haha. Well I have some research to do with Fra. I have an idea on how we will get some additional info on him.
@@ralphh796 According to IMDb, it's Mike Bodie that voices Prisoner (aka Fra)
@@GamingUniversityUoG i was mistaken...it was Mike Bodie who voice him
Best Control lore videos on YT. Keep em coming!
Thank you so much! I absolutely will.
Another amazing work, thank you :)
Regarding the board/other, I'm thinking that in most cases, the two words that are like this (x/y) are not the same.
They have the same meanings from Jesses or boards point of view, but they are also different.
I mean the others and the board might look the same to the board, but they are different. If I remember it correctly, the story between the former and the board had shown us that maybe we shouldn't trust any of them and keep our guard up in front of both of them.
Maybe this is another thing that the board is hiding from us and doesn't want us to know 🤔
Also, I have a question in my mind now.
The FBC was assigned to collect and contain the OOPs, right? And the Blessing organization is making them.
Isn't that kinda looks contradictory? If the Blessing organization is associated with the board, why would the board make OOPs just to contain them? And if this is what it wants, why the board doesn't connect the Blessing organization with the FBC to make the life of them easier? XD
I'd have to go back to Foundation documents. As far as I remember The Board only informed Northmoor that others exist so he made it his duty to find and bind them all. Containment was secondary.
Again this video is largely speculation but because of the situation with the NSC-01, I wonder I'd the Blessed Organization is linked to Northmoor?
The translocation could be about saving him? No clue.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Oh I remember now, yes the board did not tell the FBC to contain them.
However, I think if the Blessed organization was doing something that the board doesn't like, it would have informed the FBC head at the time to do something about it. Like when the astral plane was bleeding into our world.
Really I don't know the intentions of the board and this is complicating things.
Personally, I don't think we have all the data points to really figure out what is happening with this just yet. There is too much information and not enough direct answers. That's why I think this will be the backdrop of Control 2.
@@GamingUniversityUoG My hype for Control 2 is already really high XD
And I agree with you about not having enough data.
I just really hope that they deliver another amazing experience just like the Control.
Nice video, Gaming University! I never even thought about this but... Man, this is a one big rabbit hole to dive into.
Holders/665
Other/Blessing
Reins/Law.
The first thing that stuck out to me was the number 665. In one of Darling's presentations, Emily Pope asks for a password, and he says something along the lines of "665; neighbor of the beast." This is probably a colloquialism referring to the number that comes after; 666; which is believed to be a symbol of the devil. The next was the contradiction between Other/Blessing and Reins/Law. Reins are devices that allow people to drive and discipline horses; a way to control something born of nature. The implications of the statement Reins/law in this context is that the board controls (Reins) the natural order (Law), and that the Other/Blessing is antithetical to that system. I wonder if that means that the Other is chaos and the Blessings are what can be made from that chaos. The Board institutes their control over the reality we experience through the act of linking para-natural energies to altered items and objects of power, but what if they can only utilize the energies they can understand, and what remains is this Other? unknowable energies that can't be controlled? if that were true, that would mean that entities like The Board and The Former are 'middle men'; conduits for these energies and not their progenitors. The whiteboard also refers to the proximity and effects of this Other as rippling and warping. Both phenomena can be attributed to the expression of vibrational frequencies which is said to be the cause of thresholds in the FBC. What if the Other is the excess energies created by dimensional friction? when the frequencies of two dimensions grate against each other instead of aligning to create a superposition state( doorway between the two)? Furthermore, you postulated that the slide projector may be bound to someone already. What if it is bound to Mr. Door? You made a video about the shifters from Quantum Break, and how Martin Hatch was an anomaly, for his ability to maintain his human form, as well as his mental faculties are somewhat unprecedented among shifters. what if that is because he is bound to the slide projector and it allows him to organize all the different versions of himself. If the slide projector can create stable doorways to other dimensions for as long as it is active, then It could be what allows him to stabilize the other versions of himself in those alternate dimensions and timelines.
TH-cams best control analyzer strikes again
I came in with a sneak attack
Love this channels theories, control/Alan wakes universe are amazing. Can’t wait till psychonauts 2 also
You and me both. I'm psyched for Psychonauts 2!
I think 665 might be a reference to alan wake, alan wake 2 footage has been released and alan starts in room 665 in the gameplay.
665 is a long running thing. First showed up in Max Payne as a code to a government facility. It has appeared in every Remedy game in some form.
Your content is incredible, thanks for the deep dives!
They are the best kind of dives! I appreciate it
A different line of thought for your theory making... all the objects of power used in your example, come in TWO (or more) pieces, and without a combination the OOP effect does not exist (presumably, there's no documentation on attempting to remove and replace the Record in the Jukebox with another store bought record).
Now the surf board would seem to go against that, but at the same time these multi-part OOPs seem to be inordinately stronger then the surf board, and as you noted, it's purpose may be more to Empower "The Board" then the user.
From AWE, there's the Train Car, arguably more powerful then the Surfboard, Jesse ended up anthropomorphizing it a bit as she ran through it's trauma (The incident that lead to the crash and it becoming an Altered Item). The Car was "oddly undamaged" and it's interior remains as it was on that day, the actual "power" being touching items plays a snippet of the audio of the events of that day, again a relatively "weak" power for such a large AI and large loss of life.
This actually has little to do with "The Other", but are some thoughts on OOPs an AIs in Control.
Honestly, the only OOP/AI that bucks this trend, is Wake's "Clicker".
Honestly, it would not surprise me that the Clicker became Altered. Cauldron Lake is an opening to another Threshold and Altered Materials like shaded facets are probably plentiful. His own unflattering belief in it would be the 'Cosnciousness' ingredient. Or simply the story said it was altered so it was. Either way
I don't recall if they tried to remove the Record. I do know that darling experimented with the slide projector being a two part OoP.
@@GamingUniversityUoG That he did, and the Projector didn't open doors without the original slides, most of which were destroyed by Jesse before they could get them. Part of why they kept going to the Hand, it was the only one they could get to.
@@GamingUniversityUoG That log of Darling working late after hours on the Projector and his statement "why did that damn kid have to burn the rest of the slides" hit so hard. Darling was on the cusp of what he believed to be the truth, the greatest discovery, something that would change his life forever, and to feel like it was all for nought, that's heavy.
For another theory, is it possible that Darling is bound to an OOP, his final log is something I'd like to see you do a video on, something took a hold of his mind, some divine purpose, like he was about to transcend mortality. It wasn't the Hiss, so what was it? Did he get bound to the Projector? To the Board itself?
Northmoor could be part of The Blessed organization due to how much he was with the Board. He basically hated anyone who disrespected the Board. And he loved power. He seemed to become more corrupt overtime, and due to his powers being connected to the Board, they could've been the reason that he lost control of them. He may have had some connection with blessed, but when he "agreed" to keep the lights on, this may show that he changed at one point and may have renounced blessed, so the board made him lose control. I think this is why he agreed to be contained. He left blessed and the board didnt want him to be a threat.
Or he is still part of blessed and him "losing control" is just an act so that he could become the house's only power source and can leave it completely powerless at the right time.
This could definitely be a massive threat to the integrity of the bureau. If the Blessed or any Paracriminals associated with the board were to invade while the power was off they’d get in even easier than The Hiss did
Right when I think everything important has already been discovered, someone brings up another mindblowing big thing that's been right in front of us all this time and no one noticed... Thanks for your work Gaming University!
Also, the hotline call "Former" says the following about the Former:
< It is stealing/linking Altered Items >
< It builds a Competition/Not Us >
So a couple of questions to think about from me:
1. Why linking Altered Items and not Objects of Power? (because OoPs are already linked to the Board?)
2. Is the Blessed Organization the "Competition" the Board meant? (the Board refers to themselves as "Us", so logically "not Us" would be a group of entities similar to the Board & Former rather than mere humans; is that the purpose of the Golden Helmets - to help people "ascend"?)
3. Do Blessed Organization create OoPs from mundane objects or by converting AIs into OoPs? (if the latter and if the Former is helping them, it would explain why the Former was linking those AIs...)
When you the board speaks, they usually have a duality to like you mentioned "board/other" wouldn't that refer to itself. I bring it up because a lot of that screams at me that the board was much different when it arrived and didn't know how to connect to humans causing the golden helmet problem and requiring to make OoP's to reattempt to connect with humans to rectify. I really get that feeling from it
That brings up an interesting question. How did The Board learn how to communicate with us? Obviously the hotline helps but The Former doesn't have this ability at first but learns over time. The Board could still be working in its language skills.
@@GamingUniversityUoG That would make sense, we as a whole have yet to be able to perfectly communicate as a race, imagine trying to learn how to speak from everyone at once. Fantastic videos by the way
The Blessed organization might be trying to contact the Former.
That is another possibility. This particular one is so random it is hard to say what it may be referring to.
Again love your stuff, but until i decide to play this game, it will continue to elude me. Either way, keep up the good work, and have a nice day.
you need to play it ASAP
Dude when you're able to check it out. It is a lorehunters wet dream.
@@ralphh796 no he doesnt have to! I played both DLCs and they were shit! No new important informations!
@@timurkral3781 There definitely is some new info...maybe you didn't look well
@@ralphh796 spoiler: nobody in this game is gay!
Some of the best ranting and raving I've heard, top notch.
You should totally do a video on the tennyson report. That piece of paperwork is killing me. I need to know if I'm missing something serious about trench, ash senior and noorthmore.
Oh, then you should do a video on whatever happened to ash jr.
Ooh, and a video on the "oscillator" altered item and the difference on the KE, PE, UE, AE and BE subcategories of the altered items. I know PE stands for "possessed equipment" but what does the others mean. This could shed more light on why certain items are contained in a cell vs things like the clock and neko cats getting to do whatever they want.
The tennyson report is absolutely something I will do as it brings up a relevant point in how the Bureau gods about its methodology. The AI designations are mostly speculation but I think I have a way of introducing it.
Ya know a question this video made me think of is…if someone facilitated the creation of the slide projector specifically in Ordinary for some unknown purpose, did they also know there were two children who had the potential to become powerful parautilitarians, and who’d inevitably end up facing each other on opposite sides of a paranatural war within the FBC? And subsequently, did they also know about The Hiss and Polaris?
Love this series, ty for the upload!
You got it!
These videos make the world a better place. Please never stop them! :)
You're too kind! I'm glad you enjoy these
Is it just me, or do I hear "Hail the Board" when the video's volume is turned all the way up at the start?
665 is Thomas Zane’s room number at ocean view hotel in Alan wake 2, idk if these two may tie together but it might be something
you reading off the board there really gave it a ton of Hiss-affected Dylan vibes, which would make sense as well tbh with how he seemed to know way more than anyone should
Something I have always found interesting is that the Board actually failed at properly describing what Objects of Power are and gave up in the end.
The full message was:
< Objects of Power are Holders/665 >
< to the Other/Blessing >
< We hold the reins/law >
< We are failing in translating hyperreal concepts >
< Secrets/Instructions will be lost >
< Ignore this message >
This might indicate that the Board itself might not have the capacity to understand certain concepts and is trying to impose its will on things it also doesn't quite fully grasp. Which amuses me.
I'm sure someone from Remedy is a subscriber. Perhaps your own analysis is shaping the plot of Control 2.
I think Remedy should make you a character... like a DLC where you travel to a Gaming University & collect soundbites from your lectures.
The lead writer of the Foundation and AWE dlc, Clay Murphy, as well as their community manager Vida follows me on Twitter. So I'm sure they have seen a few things from the channel.
That would be crazy if they included some of my ideas for the sequel. Let's revisit this topic once I finish up a side project. If you're thinking this know I think you'll enjoy it.
I always thought that The Other was the collective unconscious that gave the Altered Items their power
They seem to uss the phrase in different ways. A physical reality called Other, a group of things originating from that world are Others. I fully accept that Altered Items probably get their power from this other reality.
@@GamingUniversityUoG from what I understand about the game, while the astral plane is a physical place, it’s shaped by human consciousness. You access the place through dreams, the place reacts to your thoughts and feelings, etc. I would submit that the astral plane is itself a place of power that houses the raw material of the collective unconscious. If we believe the Board, they assign the energies of the astral plane to Altered Items based on their representation in the collective unconscious.
This is mainly tinfoil rambling though, and a conclusion drawn from your videos. Keep up the good work!
665 is the number of the room in which Thomas Zane is in, in Alan Wake 2. Zane says that "they are looking for me" in that scene, probably refering to the FBC. Calling Zane "the Other" also makes sense, as he is "the other writer" in Alan Wake (if you consider a poet as a writer AND the fact that remedy loves puns). There's also a theory that Zane wrote Alan himself in the story before Alan became the writer, so Zane could be the source of it all. What makes more sense to me is the Other being a "force" or "effect" that can be placed in something. And if so, maybe Zane was the one who "created" or this force through his writing or the "holder" of it. The Board says that Objects of Power are the Holders/665 to the Other/Blessing. Which infers that room 665 is a holder for Zane/his powers. Guess we'll have to wait and see if The Lakehouse DLC sheds some light on this.
Thank you, youtube algorithm!
This series of videos is _awesome_ and I've been watching them the whole day!
Glad to know the Algorithm is doing its job! I'm glad hearing you have enjoyed them.
This is right alongside of my thoughts. The more OOP that get created means more slip between that world/Rhelm and ours. I feel like the Blessed Group/Family is either directly controlled or Influenced by the Other(s). We still don't yet know who the Good or the bad are. ( Board vs Other(s) ). The times we see the other, it may even be different entities. I feel that this link Will carry over into other Rememdyverse games and give more back story into the universe, especially into Alan Wake's sptory and past.
100% agree. My personal thoughts are this may be a plot thread explored in Control 2. The Blessed Group may either be controlled or worships it themselves. Or just power hungry and want to go to the source without dealing with the board.
There are too many possibilities
I couldn’t help but think that the link between the Jukebox transporting people to the Quarry and the NSC-01 ending up there is undeniably interesting. It just may be that the Jukebox is bound to Northmoor.
Another thing that bugs me is that Objects of Power are-in almost all cases-connected to the Astral Plane. Ash “theorized that Altered Items become Objects of Power when the Board establishes a connection to them through the Astral Plane.” When it came to Former, it had modified certain Altered Items that took individuals to a different place that only resembled the Astral Plane. The fact that the Jukebox, also considered an Object of Power and created by a group other than the Board, takes individuals in its vicinity to the Quarry, not the Astral Plane.
Also, if we assume that the “Other,” as mentioned by the Board, refers to the Pyramid, does “others” in “A Song for the Others” mean that is is a song for other entities such as the Board, represented by the Pyramid?
Fantastic work, as per always.
You're asking all the right questions. And I honestly could not say one way or another. In terms of the Song for the Others I'm assuming it is related to the Board.
The thing with the jukebox Is at the diner it translated to a beach. So it wasn't designed specifically for the formstion. Just because the Formation draws things to it, the jukebox took them there possibly. Could be shear coincidence.
Yessir another control vid, thanks!
You got it!
5:24 I really love your theories on the game.
Lowkey, could these others be a team of individuals who maybe wanted to break something out of the oldest house. I'm personally lending toward the oldest house being a prison for the former(s). The blessed organization might want to manipulate power while whatever this other is, if its not the discarded formers name or something, could be the thing that wants to break out the altered items and former borad member. Maybe. One of the altered items has to know how to clearly talk. I dont believe all these items are mute.
The other feels like a place/pressence. A light/aura that seeps in.
“665”, neighbor of the beast. Seems like even the board identifies themselves as a malicious influence.
I know i'm pretty late for this discussion since I just recently completed this game. But i guess better late than never. My thoughts on the other is that before they latched on to the fbc as the board they were the 'divine influence' as Northmoor calls it, that served as the head of the blessed group. The board being notorious for projecting themselves as a higher power, they probably did the same thing to the blessed group before as they seem as fanatical as Northmoor became after the board influenced him. As for the mole in fbc no one is more suspicious than langston as he is the only one in fbc who has a differing view on altered items which borders on almost a reverence for them and as he is incharge of the panopticon, it makes him the perfect candidate for the blessed group's machinations in the fbc. That's probably why he was so interested in jesse cleansing the investigation section so he could get his hands on the imprisoned astronaut. He is probably far more intelligent and cunning than he lets on & his stupid act shields him from any kind of scrutiny.
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I honestly can't put it into words cuz I'm so big fan of Alan wake and SCP stories which Control takes inspiration from
Keep up the good work
I’m not saying that the other is a group or whatever, it’s just when the board said “WE are broadcasting from the other.” It could be a place I really don’t know, but I think there may be a group of them similar to the former and other strange, alien like things there idk??
My theory is that The Other is a lovecraftian dimension and the Others are the entities that reside within it.
Thank you for yet another very interesting video.
You got it!
For the brief point about Northmoor, one thing I’ve wondered for a while is if Northmoor might be the main villain of the next game, as he’s still alive and could easily continue the themes present in the first. I also wonder if Chester Bless could be the main villain in the inevitable remedyverse final crossover game or just in control 3. Who knows, we’ll see
It sounds like the board has someone outside of the house doing all this to manufacture problems for the Bureau to solve for some reason. Maybe to keep them too busy to question anything the board is doing?
The “other” is the collective unconscious “665. neighbor of the beast”
Based upon info we have the collective unconcious is more closely tied to the Dark Place. But I am on board with the other being a tier of consciousness. Not sure which.
Are we sure that Dylan isn't just Jessie from the Other? That text does talk about assimilating the weird so it becomes normal. I'm not sure Dylan existed in our world before the Ordinary incident.
That's a big theory I've seen tossed around that Dylan was formed during Ordinary. Not enough info to really get into whether that's true or the mechanisms of how that would work.
For what i understand "the other" is usually interchangable with "the power" as in the power you get by binding an object of power; we often see OOP with some sort of personality or will so they migh be referring to the Other side/personality/soul of the binding, the one giving th object and binder the powers.
That would make the helmet as the first object of power, whose power might have been somethink like to see those almost concious concentration of psyche; that power would give the wearer the insight needed to replicate the process (maybe binding more than one object to a single Other??) And with more time and knowledge those men in golden helmet might find ways to create OOP, giving Blessings to objects (maybe using the bad things to help the oop creation, or the object themselves would bring the bad things).
This could be the difference between OOP and AWE, as not always the Other would be that level of semi-consciousness needed to bind it and just be unconcious (like the projector) or maybe "feral" (frostqueen?....The bad fridge)
Anyway, incredible work as always 👌 between work and timezones i always miss your streams but maybe one day i might be able to pass by 😀
The other is the testing room for the devs.
Haha! Head canon
wasn’t there a mission giving the helmet to some guy in the saferoom? “head-head”
Yeah it was down in the investigation sector. For the FRA entity.
Maybe the Jukebox is bound to Mr. Door considering he has the ability to cross into planes of existence at will and is not bound by the rules of these planes. There is also the jukebox at the end of AW2 but I'm not sure if that is connected to the jukebox in Control.
a slideprojector would have fallen out of use in a school with the advent of TVs and computers, maybe a profesor/janitor had the job of throwing it in the garbage dump, and he happend to gain some extraordinary powers
Just seems convenient. There needs to be a triggering event which led it to be altered. I dunno.
The Others do not need to be a singular entity or place. It could refer to the number of beings/planes similar in nature to the Board, the former, the Hiss, Polaris etc.
Biggest reason I consider it another plane (and group of entities from.that plane) is because the bit about the space helmet that refers to it as such.
Out of simple curiosity, I wonder if the allegory to the golden helmets could be the story of how the Remedyverse was made in the most literal sense. Like, there used to be a base reality, and when it tapped into its equivalent of a non-Aristotelian force, it broke just as described in the story, but also into multiple separate realities? That could also be why most of the planes across the Remedyverse seem to fall into the same pattern as that hypothetical base reality- an era of normalcy and progress, ended in an instant and replaced with one of uncertainty and chaos, as if the hairline fractures from the base reality are still tracing their way across its own shattered pieces.
Probably not even viable as far as the lore is concerned, but just my two cents. At the very least I think it could be thematically relevant. Btw, do we think that Ahti is opposed to the Board in any sense? Just out of curiousity, I didn't really get a read on their dynamic if it exists.
I've considered that. I think this would be a perfect way of explaining all the weirdness in the Remedyverse. I doubt they will make a story just for this. Their habit is to leave stuff vague and let us fill in the blanks.
Nice stuff
Thank you so much!
Man I don’t know what to say to help this theory but I will say I am starting to trust that pyramid less and less every time I find out something about it.
The Board has already threatened Emily if Jesse didn't order all agents out of the Foundation. There was a reason why Northmoor abandoned the place and purged any reference to the place. The Board doesn't want them down there for some reason.
Just more and more things are pumping up us all to the premiere of Alan Wake 2.
Now we have the Remaster next month! I am so excited.
Is the jukebox record the only reference to 'the others' as in plural? Since the record doesn't originate from the blessed organization, or by extension the board itself, does this imply a plurality of places of power? After all, the Astral plane is what the board is probably referring to as 'the other', despite the fact that there are also places like the motel or the dark place which are (likely) separate from the Astral plane.
Now that Alan Wake 2 is confirmed, It would not surprise me in the slightest if a certain Mr Bless gets a name drop....
The Other, seems heavily implied to be a nomenclature of the Astral Plane and it's dimensional-multitude and reality switchboard paranatural nature, and/or the entities that inhabit that plane. Why have two synonyms, when one word will do. Seems to be intentional for a group of entities that consistently struggle to translate hyperreal concepts and want to associate the entirety of the astral plane with themselves.
Concerning the evidence you presented for the Blessed Organization, really does points to them having a connection or contact with The Board. In creating OOPs, AWEs, and being a parallel paranatural organization in the Remedyverse.
Not sure to what end, but my pet theory is that The Board never really had to deal with a organized incursion inside the Oldest House. With their nail in the foundation being a leech/feeding straw on the energy of all the collective realities in a more direct fashion, rather than relying on the collective unconscious of sentient species in the multiverse, they didn't have too much to worry about beforehand. Sure thresholds exist in the oldest house and things wondered in and out, but now with humanity and in particular the FBC trying make a permanent presence, maybe they were befuddled and unsure to process in Dr. Ash times in Foundation DLC. But after realizing they could be a boon or a threat they seek to limit access to the foundation and now they can shape the collective unconscious even more directly by guiding/manipulating the minds of the sentient things in these realities.
Your theory and point of having unconscious worship and now the new normal is "weird", it all self-reinforces the entities of the Others. By having more organizations out and about with OOPs, AWEs, rituals to worship strength The Board.
I also think they understand they kind of need somebody to protect the Oldest House/Nail, or at least some parautilitarians, after the Hiss and Marshall. Even they don't want to say it to out loud. However with Polaris resonance now in their pockets that might change, and they might do a power play down the line to remove any "unwanted guests" and force a more directly worship by altering the collective unconscious a la The Hiss. Might be another conversation, but seems to imply once a OOP is Binding/Blessing is bestowed, they can't remove it? They threatened Jesse in Foundation DLC after the former granted abilities, but they seems not be able to de-couple anything previously granted or really do much other than send some astral spikes and Ids at this time.
Sidenote: I do believe however, that Ahti treats The Board the same as the mold, clog and furnace though. Just another parasite or pest in the Oldest House, but they help with the chores indirectly so they get to stay while the master is out and this is his new gig.
An easy way to test the theory of whether the "power of the board" movement and The Board share titles in languages where those words aren't homonyms.
If there is a localization in which the names are changed to keep this correlation it would be pretty solid proof of a connection between Bless and The Board.
Interesting thought. I can ask around the community. Unfortunately, along with Ahti's finnish idioms being translated to english, they may lose their meaning.
@@GamingUniversityUoG in Russian completely different words, “board” closer to “plank” in meaning, while “Board” to “council”
I believe the Other is the Blessed's version of Heaven, a Higher dimension that destroys lesser minds. The Board dilutes it it's power like a filter, then puts it in objects to control its Director.
I'm curious if the Upright Pyramid in the Oceanview is related to this.
@@GamingUniversityUoG i know im late but as the black inverted pyramid - the Board act as filter the Other down to object, maybe the up right Pyramid isn't a filter but act as an ascension pedestal for Material objects(ie tool, toy, human...) Into the Imetarial to take control of an aspect of something like the Board? Maybe even imoralize those aspects to some materialistic objects?
Update after Alan Wake 2: In this video at 2:39, the board in control mentions number 665 which is also the room where Thomas Zane is staying at Oceanview Hotel, and there is also control easteregg where Jesse is seemed to delve into Thomas Zane and Alan wake in the hotel during a drunk scene? So is the other actually Tom Zane or Alan Wake??
I think the lightswitch from Alan Wake is an OOP but not specifically bound to anyone.
I have to wonder if the "Golden Helmet" has a connection with Thomas Zane, as he is always portrayed in a shiny diving helmet.
Maybe similar imagery in a literary sense. I've wondered if 'everything's in this DLC has ties to Alan even the Eagle Limited and Fra Mauro situation. Lind of like an artist drawing inspiration from something he has seen before.
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I always screenshoted these messages, knew something was hiding in plain sight
I love these videos.
So good to hear! I love making them.
Interesting theory GU!
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@@GamingUniversityUoG you're welcome.
The ashtray and cigarette may still be bound to Trench because the Board doesnt want anyone else to bind to it. If this is the case then Ahti may be connected to the Board as well and gave Jesse the cassette player because they only trust her with passage. Or Ahti is not part of the Board and is part of The Oldest house and gave Jesse the cassette player because the house wants her to be able to pass through the maze
While this is only tangentially related, the idea of a product leading to the worship and empowering an embodied abstract concept is similar to other ideas of empowering worship.
Scott Alexander had written a short story with classical Greek gods using products to gain power (such as Athena using bottled water or Eris using talk shows).
slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/27/a-modern-myth/
Since a core premise of Control is the role of belief powering certain anomalous items, the idea of entities vying for power via the bestowing of such items is quite logical in that set of ideas.
Neil Gaimon's American Gods goes a similar route, specifically with the God 'Media' who can be worshipped by watching TV. Based upon the setting and functionality of the Control universe, having something like this has logical consistency.
I will stick to my hypothesis that the Remedy universe was created by the events that are totally not those of Quantum Break, just a piece of background lore that just so happens to only be as sufficiently distinct from those as relevant IP laws in the EU and the US allow it to be. These altered objects "binding"/granting powers to individuals, it sounds a bunch like how QB's time powers start. First, let's point out a few things to reinforce that idea, before contextualizing them for the topic.
Numero uno, in QB a way you could interpret the incident that gives Jack and co. powers is that the machine itself became an altered item, or perhaps a proto-altered item, with the more compact countermeasure thingy becoming the first proper altered item. Basically it is supposed to establize and contain the so called fracture, and reverse engineering it also allowed the creation of the chronon technologies, which are basically manipulate a certain type of ability individuals and the environment. So plenty similarity there. Second, the first thing Will tell's Jack once his powers first manifest is to speculate that the incide "altered your relation to blah blah blah". It is right there in QB's dialogue. Third, and starting to contextualize things now, in control people call these events Altered World Events, right? Altered, as in changed. What if after QB Jack and others finally find a way to change things, Alter the World in some ways that prevent the end of time to happen? How far back could they have gone? They've seen the end of time, could they also not have gone and seen the begining of time and tampered with it, which could explain the origin of all the parallel worlds here? Bonus, looks at all the similarities between the two. The glitching in control looks a lot like the stuff in QB. The way Jesse often does stuff with her hands to cleanse the hiss or bind with an object of power is very similar and has similar effects to how Jack seemingly activates the countermeasure with Will. Almost as if they were actually all sort of related powers, which they could be, since the stuff in QB basically manipulates spacetime, but has more visible effects just on time... but in control it could be just variations of it, manipulating and affecting both (you can basically explain all powers as manipulations of space and time.
But again, let's go back to the topic. The board. In the end of QB, Hatch invites Jack to join this new Monarch, basically replacing Paul if I got it right. What do you call all these top level decision makers in a company? A board (of directors). What if the astral plane is what the lifeboat becomes after the end of time, after they all figure how to change things and do so, and those entities + the other are some IP law friendly version of some familiar faces, who lived too long to become the villain?
Very nice! Did you search through the Control string table if there are any additional mentions of golden helmets?
That is the only reference to it. But the String only include game text like dialogue, audio files, etc. It doesn't include documents or whiteboard text.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Btw did you have the opportunity to check out the Control Artbook? I wonder if there are some more hints there regarding more worldbuilding
I re-opened the Art book last night to get further in. Hopefully I'll find something interesting.
11:33 lowkey, the slide projector. I'm so glad someone else noticed this. Now this might not be a fact, but it might be connected to darling or alan. (In the american nightmare game, you see alan uses a projector. It could have been the same one.) But the only reason I added darling is because in alan wake, remember when he gets the cellphone and someone is talking to him. (Or in the mirror in the diner) Could the person have been darling.
If you read back into darlings investigation, it sounds like darling did something with a potential object of power. Maybe he tried to bound myself to the object. But what happens if say a non director cant Bind an item? Or is there honestly a rule at all about a non director binding an item.
The writing on the white board reads very similarly to the writing style of Alan Wake
Oh dear
I'd like to discuss the potentially golden "space helmet" of Thomas Zane. Coincidence? Might be golden or not but Thomas Zane does shine with a golden light.
I don't know that I would automatically equivocate the Board to the Other.
I think the Other, Pyramid, and Blessing could be used that way.
Instead, I think it's interesting that the Board says they are broadcasting from the pyramid/other. That makes me think it's a place. The whiteboard further describes the Other as a place. Chester Blessed could be interpreted literally as someone given the Blessing discussed earlier.
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I've been so excited to share this one. Literally being mulling it over for almost a year.
Blessed is a Mix of Chaos Insurgence, AWCY and MCD.
Hi there, just wanted to say that at minute 2:42 the following phrase is mentioned ¨objects of power are holders/665 to the Other/Blessing¨. After AW2 we see that room 665 is the one with the proyector. Coincidence or maybe a relation between objects of power and that room?
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What about the Top Head in Chief Gerbles office? Or is that too literally a golden helmet? ...and what is Fra anyway?
The outfit your wearing, Is it a PS4 exclusive? Also cool video👌
Wait did the shoebox/darkness incident happen before or after Jesse found the slide projector. If it was before could the presence of the Taken in Ordinary have caused the projector to change into an OoP?
That part with Samantha Wells happened in 2012 so a full ten years after the Ordinary AWE. It was at s point in time when the town was being repopulated.
Pretty sure the other is the hero portrayed in the stoneworks. I'm pretty sure the board used it to spread the belief in the board.
Make a video explains all the different items , and powers
What if "The Other" is something(s) within the Black Rock Threshold/Dimension...
• The Foundation can only be accessed (conventional travel-wise) through the Black Rock Quarry Dimension as that is where the door is and therefore the Nail can be accessed.
• When Northmoor translocated, he appeared there.
The Jukebox's translocation ability existed before the album was put there by Blassed, instead it translocated people to a "sandy Coastline";
_Every diner reported being temporarily being transported to an undetermined location that they later described as a sandy coastline. The Bureau took custody of the object the same day._
- *INVESTIGATION ORDER - CLASS 5 SUBJECT: BLESSED REPAIR AND SERVICE*
This means the "coordinates", for lack of a better term, were on the record, put there by Bessed.
• Also, Black Rocks have an effect on Objects of Power;
_"Extra-dimensional matter. It has the unique property of blocking out a lot of frequencies. A good thing - it keeps things stable, contained. Think of it as paranatural lead."_
- *Casper Darling*
The easiest solution I can figure is it is just another name for the Astral Plane. Hard to say.
I'm not sure the surfboard is directly related The Board, as I think the meaning behind the word would be most important part to the collective consciousness.
I believe the case file for the Jukebox directly speculates that the it is a property of the Formation itself that causes things to be drawn toward it.
My theory is that The Board has their own motives "holding the rein/law" to the Other that happens align with the FBC's goal of not letting altered items run amok, while The Blessed Organization are some sort of paranatural anarchists that want to bring the Other completely to our world.
What if the Other is a group like the board, of which Chester Bless is one? The Other (The bless group) creates OoPs and AIs. The Board then controls them and makes laws around them. The Former is not a former member of the board, instead a former member of the Other, of the Blessed Organization. As they create AIs like the fridge.