Though The Board and Former are definitely really creepy entities, they have some of the most interesting interactions in the game. Like that time talking to Former and it just pauses before saying "No". Or The Board getting mad about Jesse taking the other power but then basically saying okay we'll let it slide this time. Whatever they are is probably beyond our comprehension but they seem kinda childish and petty most of the time.
Personally I kind of like the fact they are petty entities. One of the reasons I enjoyed Greek Mythology so much is because the gods behaved so human. They would start wars on earth for petty reasons and were emotional and chaotic.
@@GamingUniversityUoG interesting to see how the polytheistic greek religion features gods who act as cautionary tales (dont act as foolish as this god did) while in christianity God is beyond human judgment and the cautionary tales involve humans and supernatural beings not following HIS WiLL instead of being the subject of caution himself. Pretty interesting.
@@alexterieur8813 I'd say it's a difference in terms of the entity or God you are referring to. I've always had a fascination with different religions, maybe because I'm Christian myself, but there's an interesting thread we could look at here. In all mythologies or religions, we're looking at beings who can cross dimensions or exist inside and outside of them. If we apply this idea to Control, we could argue that the "gods" (the Board) are those entities. The closer they are to the human plane, the more similar they become or perhaps share traits with us. Aka, the Greek gods could be seen as petty and act like children who wield an incredible amount of power. They can become corrupted by it. Then you look at Fomer who is an inbetween because he/she/it is an entity that has trouble communicating with Jesse, but seems clearly on a different plane entirely. Then if you look at Judeo-Christianity, there are different levels of angels where the ones furthest from humans (like the Ophanim, wheels with eyes all over) don't resemble anything human at all. That entity would be incomprehensible to us or the humans in Control. Ie. Therefore Yahweh is the same in that, unlike the Greeks, He's very different so hard to relate to a Being existing outside of time and within it at all different points in time at once. Where Jesse is involved, the Board seems to try to come across as somewhat relatable, but the mask slips and we see they are something of a management team what isn't doing the best job. They've lost sight of how to serve and only serve themselves. Ahti, on the other hand, whom humans interpret as a Finnish god, is an entity that instead becomes the most important. He isn't just cleaning the foundation and universe: he's keeping it running. All those tasks he sends Jesse on are really training for the important stuff and teaching her how to serve others instead of herself. I like the theme that just because something seems menial, doesn't mean it isn't a crucial task.
Loved this theory! The whole thing about the board creating the cave paintings to deceive about it’s history is really creepy. I also loved the editing of the video, it adds a lot of atmosphere.
That bit about the cave paintings took me a while to piece together. But considering we have seen Northmoor alter official documents to remove mention of the foundation, using these paintings to alter history makes sense too. And thanks! It seemed like a fun idea. A community member Yellow Bat helped me with the extra editing. Turned out good!
During my playthrough, I thought the cave paintings were drawn by Bureau agents shortly after arriving due to compulsion from the Board or Northmoor, and that it was covered up by Northmoor because of his strong belief / worship of the Board. But it makes more sense that the Board put them there (likely through those automatons) to cultivate more "food" from the new arrivals like you said.
Drawing on the Yggdrasil imagery for the Oldest House, I think that would make the Board Nidhogg in this scenario. A serpent that gnaws on the roots of the world tree.
@@GamingUniversityUoG if the oldest house is Yggdrasil and The Board, Niddhog, maybe the advent of the Hiss is Ragnarok? Not necessarily the end of all things but definitely the end of an Era (the end of Trench’s era and the beginning of Jesse’s).
If all this is true, who is Ratatoskr? Could be Ahti, but he has his own Ocean God stuff going on, I honestly think Ash was being prepared by the house to take up that role. I'm not certain he's gone from the series, he could even be somewhere in the House still.
Another thing worth mentioning is that it's heavily hinted that the board can control astral spikes, like in the foundation, one of which damages Marshall's protective vest which gets her infected by the hiss. Another astral spike can be found in the records department in the panopticon, destroying bureau documents. I feel like the board is trying to erase a time when the bureau operated without them. Also there's a file in the foundation that outright says that the house's lay lines (like from the control points) all lead down to the nail. And the nail is sucking up energy from the house. I'm also really curious about the locks/keys you have to undo in the foundation. Which are stone slabs with the symbol of yggdrasil carved onto them, which is also used to symbolize the house. Once you destroy all 4 slabs, the former makes it's way into our plane. Makes me wonder if either the former or the board are good for the house. Also what about the fallen department in the foundation? The game says that the foundation doesn't shift like the house does, which makes me feel like the department was brought down intentionally by the board.
But wasnt the nail protecting the oldest house by interfering with the astral plane leaking into the oldest house/our dimension? Wouldnt that make the Oldest House and the Board a symbiotic relationship rather than a parasitic one? Or maybe the Astral plane leaking into the Oldest House is actually a good thing/the way it’s supposed to be?
My thought was that the Oldest House shifted them the department there to remove the nail, guiding them to it by growing crystals on the incorrect paths. I doubt the Former would have the power to affect crystal growth. On the other hand, the Board was actively killing the agents with ID/spikes. Maybe a shift like that just uses too much energy for the House, or it would keep doing this if not for the control points.
the former, board and the house relationship is just like humans with mother nature i think. the former and the current resident of the board is just like 2 opposing humans, they both are destroying the house, they are the parasite. none of them is good this actually makes a great point for a next game, maybe the humans is the next parasite, destroying both the former and the board, and sucking all the energy from the house for themself. the house (mother nature) will become unstable and broken, and that will lead to the actual armageddon that has been mentioned in a lot of religions
Just a thought. The board is multiple entities, we know this because of the former. I wonder, while I think the words having multiple meanings, showing how the board views things, could it be possible that you could actually locate individual members of the board, and work out what each says? Like each time the words split is when multiple entities of the board have a disagreement about the exact nature of something (As an example, when it comes to the oldest house, one of them considers it a prision, while another considers it food)
From what I have seen the Board speaks using multiple meanings because they really don't understand human speech. Like most alien entities, they probably communicate differently than the spoken words we use. So they attempt to use similar concepts to get the point across.
I think they use the different words because they don't know exactly how to communicate so they just throw out a bunch of synonyms and hope the point gets across. Though I do like the idea of a bunch of entities trying to say different things.
That's a really cool idea. I'm confident the multiple meanings in the subtitles are trying to replicate the way speech often works in dreams (right down to the muffled "underwater" vibe), where you "telepathically" comprehend multiple streams of meaning in something without it being directly stated-I actually had one a few months ago where I read a complaint letter from a wizard in an old book from the '90s and despite it not being explicitly stated I somehow understood he was complaining about how certain kinds of spells were increasing the price of VHS tapes (or like how in a dream you can "just know" a character is _both_ your mother _and_ Winston Churchill, in a place that's both your old elementary school and a moon base)-and the subtitles we get aren't what the Board is literally saying at all but what Jessie would wrack her brain to write down if she tried to describe what she's intuitively perceiving when she hears them speak. But that is a really cool idea. I mean it would certainly explain how those multiple streams are being generated in the first place, on top of just being entities from another plane of existence whose minds are ungraspably alien to us. There might be some exciting stuff Control 2 could do with that idea.
So with the theory that The Oldest House is Yggrasil and the one of the Board members uses the oldest house for food I'm getting the idea that, that Board member could be Niddhoggr. The serpent in norse myth that eats the roots of the world tree. Edit: about 12 seconds after I posted this I saw someone else had already done so and said it better than I did.
This makes me rethink the role of the Hiss a lot. Sure, they wanted absolute dominance, but they didn't require worship, they simply conquered like Ghengis Khan and forced obedience. The Board are far more insidious and makes me wonder if they are the root of all the problems in the Remedy-verse. I also wonder about Polaris. Is she really her own entity that Jesse can trust implicitly, or just another insidious agent of the Board. Perhaps she is a Board member herself?
Dylan definitely implies that Polaris may have her own ulterior motives. But I wonder if he is referring to Polaris or Hedron. And yeah the Hiss acts more like a Virus then anything. No thought in their head. Just infect and spread. The Board being a conscious and thinking group of entities that manipulate and plan. Heartless mentality versus Xehanort mentality if you catch the Kingdom Hearts reference.
I don't think that Polaris is an actual being, more like a power which is passed from an entity to others. Max Derrat thught it could be a representation of the jungian Self (just like the Dark Presence is the jungian Shadow): check his video about it. I think it is more a force that leads living beings towards elinghtement and self-enhancement. This power can give knowledge to humans ("The resonance showed me things"-Darling), and Jesse created a persona, "Polaris", as a way to better interact with this knowledge. Polaris was actually Jesse all along, as she appears in the Motel. The problem is that now the Board could have the power of this resonance/magic sound of creation too.
The fact that they former is enshrouded in darkness and uses a light type eye to see intrigues me especially given the fact Foundation immediately precedes AWE. The pyramid being black doesn't feel coincedental, especially not when you consider the resurgence of Alan Wake and Mr. Scratch. Remedy has an interesting focus on light and dark. I hope we will at least get easter eggs to control on Alan Wake 2.
Controls lore is insane. I love how deep it goes and the world it builds if you read the collectables. Reminds me of Elder scrolls, Fallout, Assassins screed or Dishonored/Arcane games. Where the Devs built a whole universe that is well thought out and makes sense. Remedy definitely did a great job with Control.
I had a thought kinda parallel to this a while ago now. I don't remember the details anymore, but I remember picking up on something while playing Control. It just kept bugging me until I realized that it was the Oldest House itself- It's alive, it has a personality and it talks to you. It just only speaks through "body language." Like I said, I don't remember exactly how I got the idea anymore but I do remember I just started realizing the House was reacting to things instead of just changing randomly. After a while I kinda got a feel for the House's "personality" to a point where I could tell when it was "pleased" or "stressed" and it was always, obviously, stressed around The Hiss. All this time I thought that's where it ended- Just a really deep detail that doesn't mean much but makes the world feel that much more real. But now after watching this and thinking about it again, I'm suddenly realizing that the Oldest House doesn't like the Board either. As a matter of fact, it hates them.
The connections between the Surfboard and the Board, as well as the Former and the "smaller" nail are incredibly interesting/alarming/blasphemic. Really enjoyed your video!
I think the Board is afraid that humans will become as powerful as them. They keep up the illusion that they are all knowing, but if the collective consciousness can feed them and give power to objects through a focal point, then humans can gain that power too. It's probably why Jesse is so strong, the whole bureau worships her as a savior. One day, Jesse will be as strong as a Board member.
Ooh interesting! You do become able to increase her powers after completing feats/missions/objectives, which boasts her popularity/fame/adoration from the Bureau.
Interesting. That is a cool theory. This reminds me of the Fears from The Magnus Archives. Basically, human's fear was nourishment for these entities/gods. By creating encounters with these Fears... humans are feed to them often by formerly human Avatars. The Fears are basically parasites but they lack the slight foresight of the Board. So, they are often just as vulnerable to their Avatars shims as their need to feed. I was fascinated by the World building in the The Magnus Archives but it is a tragedy podcast so I eventually decided it was better for my health to just let it go... but I think you would find it fascinating GU!
Never heard of it before. I'd definitely take a look at it. Definitely reminds me of aspects of Gnostic tradition with the Archontic Sect. These beings that feed off human misery. If you are interested in The Fears in that podcast I'd recommend checking out some parts of Gnosticism.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I have in fact looked into Gnosticism! But I hadn't looked into that particular sect. I will take a peek. And the Magnus Archives have all their seasons up on playlists here on youtube
@@GamingUniversityUoG the podcast actually touches on Gnosticism quite a bit in connection with the fear called the Flesh. I definitely believe you would enjoy the podcast, especially the final two seasons
when you talk to Ahti about 'the janitor's assistant' position he mentions that the House has a 'vermin problem.' at the time we assume he meant the Hiss, but what if he also meant the Board as well? on another topic: the board's demands for loyalty and Director Trench. He had a family once, and then 'he brought his work home' and his daughter sickened from a paranatural ailment. what if that was given to her deliberately by the Board to sever his link to anything outside of the Bureau and Them?
I definitely think there is a lot of vermin in the house that needs to be taken care of. Paranatural and human. I don't see evidence that trenches daughter was harmed by the board through. Could be any number of things.
Thought-provoking and interesting! Control, and several other games, interacts with and creatively incorporates many psychological concepts that gets the mental gears turning. I always appreciate the ways in which you elaborate on them in detail! Keep it up!
Due to English not being my native language, I've misunderstood some parts of the story. Your videos made it clear and made the playing process more interesting. Thank you for the resources you've spent making those videos. Remedy created a damn masterpiece with this one. If one takes its time to dive into the story and details, Control offers so much more of an experience, than just an action game with guns, telekinesis, and a superficial story of The Hiss. This is so much deeper; Parautilitarians, Objects of Power, and AWE/Altered Items. Paranatural Entities like Ahti, The Resonance Entities, and The Board. Thresholds and Other Dimensions. So much stuff is happening. We need Control 2 ASAP (but not in the form of Cyberpunk 2077 [Take your time, Remedy]), to satisfy this hunger for more action in this Universe.
Remedy has a history of making sure their worlds are very well crafted so I have faith in then when Control 2 comes out. Seriously though I cannot wait! Super excited.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Meanwhile, I can say, while watching Your videos, I realized that You might like Disco Elysium, considering your attention to details. Once again, Thank You very much for your hard work and creativity in making your videos. A job well done, indeed.
As far as English not being your first language. I love how interactions with the board include several different interpretations of each message. Just like listening to someone speak another language, we can translate any word. That's easy. But, we must use context to interpret their true meaning.
Quality content, as usual. I wonder if the Board somehow drove Trench to his end, seeing as unlike Northmoor he was reticent to be bonded with OoPs and therefore represented a potential hindrance to their position. One might wonder why drive Trench to unleashing the Hiss, a similar entity that relies upon worship and a repeated mantra for power, but I think the Board might have thought itself powerful enough to oust the Hiss without issue. Of course that proved to be incorrect, especially as perhaps Hedron was also working its own angle, perhaps in cahoots with Ahti and the OH. So lots of things to explore in CONTROL 2 (should that ever be a thing...) I wonder if Former was bonded with the Fridge and the Flamingo far earlier than you thought. Especially as the Fridge probably made its home building collapse when contact was broken, leading to its connection being deepened by the traumatic focussed worship, and the Flamingo seemed to alter the weather...
I'm pretty sure the Hiss is what drove Trench to open the floodgates for them. I'm still not sure on if The Board executed Trench for this or if his sense of guilt let him to a self inflicted act. The only reason my hypothesis has the Former linking to the Fridge and Flamingo within the last few weeks is because in the 'Altered Item Behavioral Changes' document it is mentioned that these two had changes to their altered effect a few weeks past. The fridge didn't require it before and the flamingo only controlled the weather. Somehow they did me things and I presume this lined up with the former taking them over.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I suppose. It's just that the Fridge was stared at with such intensity by its grieving owner. And what with the Former being intrinsically linked with eyes, watching and intense focus it all seems too directed for it to not be connected. Unless, perhaps the Fridge becoming altered perhaps led to Former's creation, like in Black and White where the player character god is created through prayer. If so it would answer the question where the Board come from and why they're linked to the OpPs...
Heyyy, incredible theory!!! The oldest house it's always besn strange, especially the foundation. The oldest house has always been on earth while hidden from everyone and seems to be "closer" to the astral plane. I love to think it as the umbilical scar of the planet, tho it's mostly headcanon.
Thanks a bunch! One tin foil that theory of mine is the dark depths beneath the Foundation lead to the Dark Place. Jesse mentions this place seems older than the House and asks, "What's older than oldest?" Well the state before creation which the Dark Place encompasses. We have seen it used by Zane to create baby universes.
I really liked this theory. Kinda blows what i had in mind out of the water. My theory was the borad is either old directors or those "former" entities. (Or both) Emily did ask a great question in the beginning of the game. "How does the borad retire a director and how is that determined." I think emily was onto something when she brought it up, with the idea of the collective thought, the voices you hear over the speakers in the game could be the evidence of emilys collective thought idea and the borad having a subconscious mind or multiple minds. That the voices your hearing are individuals/old directors who ascended to the borad but clearly some of them became corrupted by the hiss. Showing more evidence the borad itself is corrupted by hiss but at the same time shows evidence maybe theres more than one mind channeling through the borad. I think the borad is literally connected to the oldest house in the sense it binds our reality. For example, the black pyramid represents our reality of which we know, but the red pyramid shows an alternative dimension or reality that conflicts with our dimension. (This is also slightly brought up in ash's files when maybe he brings up mabel.) That we dont want our black pyramid to turn upside down or red. But that's the problem and possibly why theres still a lockdown, the borad could be good and just trying to tell us its sick because a couple of individual's messed up the ritual. (I'll explain that theory in a minute) or the formers are parasites sucking on the borad but someone or an old director locked them up. Only to have some dumbass come along and unlock the parasites. I think that dumbass was ash. Jr. I think ash jr made friends with 13 parasites and let them out of whatever prison they were in. Hence why the borad all of the sudden wanted to get in touch with noorthmore and hand him a gun. The borad probably asked noorthmore to stop ash jr from breaking out parasites, maybe he was successful but at the cost of getting infected himself before ascending to the borad. Or Then the idea on the formers, I believe the formers were two directors who maybe cheated there way into becoming director. (Super theory on trench and why there was an investigation on him. I believe trench was scared of the tennsey report because it had evidence he fraudulent scammed his way into becoming director.) That trench and darling were under investigation because trench was having darling install things that helped keep that sercet hidden or the method hidden. Hence like the furnace or containment center. (But then I think of what mr. Bones says in threshold kids "everyone wants the chair meg!" Someone on the team who knew of trench's cheat were probably planning on using the same method to over throw him.) Darling seemed game for the whole thing until he got his report from unhill on the mold/parasites eggs) Darling probably made the connection between the formers and the borad, which made noorthmores crazy ranting not crazy anymore. Maybe northmoor broke a deal off with the borad to be reincarnated as dylan faden because he foresaw the lockdown but someone was hoping to shut him up prementantly. (Hence the threshold kids episode on special minds. Maybe northmoor had the power to take over the mind and bodies of individuals) long story short on this one, I think darling was the betrayer trench was talking about, but trench had already given darling to much borrowed power. But clearly darling messed up the method and ended up somewhere and unhill disappointed she wont be head of research. This is where the borad could be evil, and a liar, maybe they only want those that think like them or are on the same wavelength. That the borad found a way to bring altered items into our world to manipulate the the "smaller minds" into delivering them those special minds.
Man, it all feels correct! Makes me feel like I’m spoiled for the next game. Now I wonder what the role of Hiss is in these events. Can it be a tool for Board or Former to make people worship them since it possesses their minds? Not sure...
The hiss is always posed as something unexpected and dangerous to the board, but it also implies that the hiss might make its way to the astral plane. The board calls the anstral plane a "switchboard" from wich the hiss might spread. Its likely that the board have some elements rhat link them and the hiss, but i sont expect the hiss to be an agent under something elses control, more a rogue element
I think it is heavily implied that Alan unleashed the Hiss in order to give Jesse a crisis to deal with. One that with initiated her and brought her closer to him. One big mystery is why did the board allow the hiss to infect the Nail. It caused Jesse to use Polaris resonance on the Nail. But what did this achieve for them?
@@GamingUniversityUoG perhaps the hiss and polaris, being creations of alan, was beyond the boards control or understanding, and forcing polaris to interract offered the board the oportunity to study and perhaps in future replicate such powers. also marshall blowing up the nail was somewhat unexpected i beleive, but might also have been part of a more elaborate plan to experience both hiss and polaris
@@GamingUniversityUoG: I'd think that either the Hiss is a direct threat to The Board and could directly consume them, or is an indirect threat to The Board and to The Former because they render humans incapable of giving astral entities the attention they need to feed on and sustain themselves.
As interesting and fantastical/supernatural as the FBC. The Board may as well be a higher entity, similar to the Former, the Other and even the Resonance. Higher beings who are either above, within or trapped on their side. Considering how the house is a 'prison' for all OOP, I guess some of these things may as well be in the Oldest House for a reason we may not be familiat with.
I think one of the most mysterious facets of Control thus far is humanity’s understanding of anomalous items BEFORE discovering the Oldest House and by extension, The Board. The FBC has gained knowledge from this contact for certain, but how directed has that knowledge been, and how useful was the knowledge they already had before making the Oldest House their HQ?
We know they had acquired s few Altered Items and reported it before the oldest house. First we see is the third Item logged which was found 10 years before that found the house. Most likely they worked out of a standard government building. One lite building thing I noticed though is how many previous directors there were. If there have been three in the last 70 years we see portraits for about 25-30 ones before that. Must be going back a long way. Possibly they changed every 2-4 years with political changes. After the House they retained the position much longer.
I think the key to learning more about The Board is learning more about The Oldest House. What exactly is The Oldest House? We know that it’s alive, Dr. Ash confirms this. It’s said that the House called in the FBC for help but the FBC did nothing. Meaning the house is incapable of defending itself. This brings up another question, why does the house need defending? Why did the board latch itself to the house to begin with? There’s various questions that pops up that we just don’t have the answer to. The house is some sort of entity, that much is clear but what purpose it serves is unknown. So are the boards true intentions. We know for sure that The House and Board are not one, they oppose each other. Meaning the house at the very least is neutral. It doesn’t desire chaos or worship. The board itself does and is a threat, along with the Hiss and yet The Board and The Hiss don’t seem to be connected/on the same side. It all goes back to what exactly is the house and what it’s purpose is.
As far as I can tell the House is a modern representation of the Yggsrasil. That's why it can easily create thresholds to other places because it literally exists in all realities.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Yeah I literally watched your video ‘What Is The Oldest House’ after I commented this. I felt so stupid lol. I don’t know much about Yggdrasil but I just may look into it
100% agree. What I think would be cool is have an in universe book come out about the Ordinary AWE. Kind of like how Clay Steward wrote the Alan Wake files which expanded the Alan Wake game. Jesse mentioned in post game how only she knows what really happened in Ordinary and thought about writing it all down after the Hiss situation was done. That would be a perfect meta universe way to do it.
One thing i like about the board. In the beginning the board speaks in the terms on probably how they spoke to trench. And when they further progress into the game. The board changes their tone with jeese
I love your theory, you pulled together far more than I did. If anyone knows the answer to these mysteries it's probably Ahti (not that he's interested in explaining in any intelligible way). I suspect he is an avatar of the Oldest House itself - the Housekeeper, if you will - which would explain why he can go everywhere freely, even passing through the Ashtray Maze, and why he tasks Jesse with eliminating other growths feeding off the Oldest House.
I mean, nothing comes for free. if the board did their stuff out of the goodness of their heart I wouldn't trust them, but giving and taking is in my opinion perfectly fair. considering the superpowers, the oldest house, the Oops, the BlackRock, none of them belong to us and our realm but we still take them and use them, it's only fair to give something back(a form of collective psychic energy for the board). Director Northmoor said something in one of his letters to Ash "we are guests in their home, we should carry ourselves accordingly" and I kinda agree with that, I know we're humans and we always HAVE to be the aggressors, and dominant and take over cuz "we always know better than anyone", but this was kinda refreshing, even though Northmoor was brainwashed! clearly, the blind obedience of the last two directors was wrong, but the pure distrust and borderline hatred of Marshal towards the board were just as wrong. plus what's the alternative? cut them off, and go back to the pre-board era? it was self-serving for them for sure, but you can't deny how much the board has done for the bureau! you can't destroy the nail cuz it'll leak the astral world into our world. you can't starve the board of their worship, cuz they have the power to create and affect objects of power and if they work together they might even be able to cause altered world events, so they'll get their psychic energy feeding one way or another. but the way things are right now, at least they help and guide the bureau in their way. but the alternative is that when we cut them off they will become a force like the Hiss or the darkness or the mold that will invade our world to feed and we'll have to actively fight off, except we won't have all the superpowers, knowledge, tools, and objects of power that an astral plane ally(the board) provides. wouldn't it make sense to have them as a self-serving ally who provides power, than an outright enemy which we have no way of killing at all, especially when those are the only two options? (look at what the former has become, he's straight up supercharging altered items and killing people to be able to feed.) I mean in this world they are already constantly fighting off supernatural crises one after the other and barely saving the world(think about how absolute the hiss is and how miraculously lucky they were to be able to stop it, the same with the mold or darkness), why add another threat to the mix, especially since this one has easy access to our world from Astral plane. Keep your friends close and your mysterious astral plane entities closer!
Egregors and Ritualistic Forms of Worship - absolutely. You are very cleaver for noticing these concepts in the game, for they were not mentioned anywhere. This is why Remedy writers and developers are so incredible. They place such deep and serious concepts into their work of art. It is a pleasure to analyze the world they created. Thank you!
@@GamingUniversityUoG in AWE there a lot of content saying about the Blessed(then suddenly they disapear, not telling if they are dissolved), may me think if they are trying to find where oldest house is, and if eventually they find and put everything at risk again, would be insane playing this
The editing was so good! I love this game, its characters, its atmosphere, its mysteries, its lore, and I love this channel, thank you so much for these videos! The Former is the most interesting character to me, I can't wait for Control 2
The Hiss broke a lot of the rules of the Control universe, exposing the Board as fallible and their control over the Director as imperfect and I think that they are currently in a state of panic over their inability to absolutely control Jesse. They have created a smart, independently immune lifeform with the powers that could make or break their connection with the mundane world if she so chooses. I suspect that Control 2 will be about Jesse's final ascent to the top of the pyramid and commanding the collective unconsciousness herself. The next step up the ziggurat being, of course Chair of the Board. Given her distrust of authority and her anger at what the Board did to Marshall, it is difficult to imagine what Jesse would do with those levers to influence minds memetically on that level.
You mentioned how the new behavior of the Artctic Queen provides constant worship for the Former, but I just realized you can say the same with the Pink Flamingo as well. Having the item constantly teleport people away from it means to cleanse it, Jesse has to ‘chase’ it, making it the sole focus of attention for the duration of the chase.
Maybe something/someone attracted The Board to the Oldest House using its "power" as bait and trap them, forcing them to feed on it instead of something else.
I had very similar thoughts about the Board after replaying the Foundation dlc. I'm glad to see we had very similar ideas. I'm a fan of Neil Gaiman myself and I made too a similar connection. I would like to discuss a few things: Everything was okay during Northmoor years, he was basically the High Prophet of the Board, but Trench was a problem, he didn't trust them. Actually he didn't like mentioning them. Many information about the Board were censored and hidden. This must have made them angry. I too believe that Chester Bless is working for them, by creating new altered items and starting a cult about the Board (=feeding them). I believe he could be "the Son" mentioned by former. He could be some sort of avatar created by them, maybe by using the little nail. I would like to point out one more thing: during the events of the Foundation DLC, the Nail (and so the Board) were invested with Polaris resonance. Emily said that the Nail should have been immune to the Hiss, and yet Jesse had to purify it. Maybe they let the Hiss infect the Nail on purpose, in order to have some access to the Hedron/Polaris/Jesse resonance and become more powerful.
I feel like Chester Bless is either a Parautilitarian like the Directors of the FBC/Alan Wake/Jesse and Dylan or possibly an Entity like Mr. Scratch. An agent working for these higher powers, to increase their influence and control of the world.
I think we can also look to the Norse mythology, which Sam Lake is a big fan of. If the Oldest House is to be seen as Yggdrasil, The World Tree, connecting different realms, then the Board can be seen as Nidhogg, the serpent that gnaws at the root of the tree, as the tree keeps it from escaping into the world.
Personally I think that is where they are going with this. What concerns me is the Former has been shown to have slipped out already. Not sure what that means for the rest of the board.
@@GamingUniversityUoG yeah, The Former is a bit of an unforeseen part in all of this. We are not even sure how many members The Board has excluding this being.
Mannn. I moved on from control like 6 months ago. Found your videos again last night and was stoked to see you had more theory videos. I just lowered through the last 4 in no time
I generally agree with what you say here. It seems like whatever the Oldest House truly is doesn't like the Board. I'm curious as to whether or not it tolerates Former. In a future Control game I'd love to see The Board bringing back Northmoor in a challenge to, in their eyes, the rogue Jesse.
Honestly one of my Hope's for the sequel is that it involves Northmoor, the board, and the Blessed Organization. It seems like they have to be connected in some way.
@@GamingUniversityUoG BTW, I've been thinking about how gods might work in the Remedy shared universe. Do you think Ahti was a human that became a god/whatever he is, or did he spring into our realm and assume a human form? Because if humans can get elevated to godhood, perhaps that's what Northmoor has become. He's 'Neos Helios' - the new sun.
I know this video is a little older, but I've been rewatching some playthroughs, and this lends some interesting context to Ahti, and what he wants out of things. Mayhaps Ahti is The Oldest House/Yggdrasil's Guardian/Immune System, and chose Jesse as his Assistant/Medication.
Just bought American Gods a week ago, and cool to see how these types of media tie together through parallel concepts. Hopefully we get a few glimpses at the Boards influences outside of the oldest house in Alan Wake 2. I’m sure the FBC will be somewhat involved, even if just passingly for the plot.
I'm sure the FBC will show up in some capacity. Agent Estevez being the most likely since she runs the monitoring station at cauldron lake. How are you enjoying the book? I actually read The Anansi Boys first. It is somewhat of a spinoff to American Gods
@@GamingUniversityUoG Haven't started reading yet, it's a little deep in my reading backlog (maybe I'll move it up though). I didn't know there was another spinoff, so I'll check that out if I like it!
Now what's more intriguing is where this might lead in a future game. Are we going to wrench control away from the board and banish them from the house? Will that leave Jesse in a position of power or leave the bureau open to be attacked by even more unfathomable entities? Will getting rid of the board perhaps be a sacrifice where she severs the connection with the extraordinary and returns to the mundane? My personal prefference would be that Jesse gains a better understanding of the Board and their place in this crazy universe and make the relationship more symbiotic and less parasitic, maybe even settle the conflict between the Former and the Board. With the themes of the game there always seems to be a deeper truth behind everything, and the Board being shady and untrustworthy is a pretty surface level detail, so the deeper truth may be that they are not shady out of malice or indifference and a better relationship can be made.
This is a personal idea. But if the idea that they need to be present in the mindset is accurate, then I don't see why can't give them what they want while still having autonomy. Taking them out may cause a severing of OoPs like you said.
Amazing work man, like always. The only game that I'm hyped for, is control sequels (or even prequels, everything that gives me more control) And yeah it seems legit. By the appearance of the Former, our perspective on the board definitely changed. And now the oldest house seems more interesting than before. I wonder what is the role of Ahti here. Is he a servant of the board? I don't think so, based on your other video about him, I think he's greater than human beings and probably even greater than the board itself. I'm not that sure though. Still, I think the link between them would be interesting to examine. Thanks for the great work ;)
I see Ahti as the Caretaker of the Oldest House. I read somewhere that the Finnish word for Janitor means , 'Man of the House' or 'Caretaker'. Either a physical aspect designed to protect/keep it clean. Or an ancient hero who was given long life to remain and do the same. Big ? Here for this character.
I was rewatching the gameplay of control, now free of this thought about the hiss being an evil, I can see truly that the hiss like Hedron/Polaris has his nature purposes and are not the bad after all, my theory is that, the hiss was trying to get rid the Board but for do that it was necessary eliminate everyone who believes in it (note that Dylan was the one who against the Bureau and was not affected totally changed like the others), who knows what they would do if the board join more and more objects of power and/or altered itens. To stop this menace the hiss finds a portal through one the slides projectors and do all this mess. Maybe control 2 after Alan wake 2 is this trip against the board and maybe Jess listening his brother to fight back them
@@GamingUniversityUoG I'd argue that both the Hiss and Polaris have shown intent and purpose, just inscrutable methodology and reasoning. Both conspired to spread in their own ways, much as the Board has spread its symbol. Perhaps the reason you see them as "instinctual" is that they're the only entities that communicate without subtitles - Jesse converses with Polaris, and receives fractal spiral responses, but we don't know the content. The Board is explicitly vulnerable to Resonance entities - as demonstrated by Dylan and the Hiss, and are also not capable of making use of Polaris' protection: If they could have, they wouldn't have been vulnerable with Jesse as Director. This also means that Jesse, as well as the Hedron and HRA's, represent the same threat to the Board that Dylan did.
This theory was amazing, the game gave some advice on the base game but shout it on the foundation by so many details and still i miss them. Before the foundation i totally believed on the board but since they were mad with jesse and still had to accept she gained both powers show they are not powerful as they made FBC believe, its like they tried to avoid conflict waiting for jesse to not do anything bad for them.
I have a feeling that in Control 2, the board for some reason, will take all of your powers away, unbound you of any O.oP.... But you will regain them when bounding Altered Items with help of the Former... For a progressive point of gameplay, pretty sure you have to relearn the abilities.
the theory about the oldest house being a separate entity asking the bureau for help to remove the board is so good that if it turns out to be wrong im gonna be so disappointed
From what I have seen the only way they can accomplish this is through the ID. The Board was pissed Ash stayed down there so long. But the only action taken was being chased by the ID or having Northmoor strong arm him. Whether the Board didn't take any direct action or COULDN'T take any direct action. Putting on a front that they are more powerful than they really are.
the idea hunger is making me think: is this an explanation for why Jesse can get so much more out of oops? because they're feeding on smt, it could be said they're feeding on the power the collective unconscious is giving the oops. but because Jesse is such a good parautilitarian, she can get a better ratio out of it? I'm probably wrong, but it's a thought
or, the fact that she's a parautilitarian, she provides more to the collective unconscious (kinda like how creative minds are strong from Alan Wake), hence stronger powers
This is brilliant man but also consider that the board allowed itself to be attacked by the hiss in order to get access to the Polaris power and not be dependent on Jessie. Also the use of the word Abalone by the Former both refers to a creature that finds a shell to live in but also a type of board game perhaps symbolic of the boards plan (also a pun on the word board!)
No Gods, No Kings, Only Ahti. Perhaps Ahti's chosen role of Janitor / Caretaker / Arborist for the Oldest House / Yggdrasil Tree is to rid it of the parasite (The Board) feeding up on it -- like a literal tree infected by a parasite. Question regarding Alan Wake: Do you think Alan "reset" the area of Bright Falls at the end of Alan Wake? At the end of end of Alan Wake it shows the people of Bright Falls celebrating Deer Fest like everything is normal, which leads me to think the area was reset. My reasoning for this is what sane person (or town) would celebrate Deer Fest when dozens (maybe hundreds) of locals disappeared or died (including 5 Sheriff's Deputies) and many millions in property damage occurred during the events of Alan Wake (e.g. the town and surrounding areas of Bright Falls, the Anderson Farm, the Lover's Peak center, the local hydro electric dam, etc.). To say the lore of the RCU is confusing is an understatement, and according to the Alan Wake Remastered commentary, Sam Lake is loathe to outright clarify what's going on.
I just finished the game, had a blast throughout the story. Really makes me feel like I'm playing through an SCP tv show, with all the sidemission and character interaction. Also this is a cool concept for a videogame analysis video, making it like a university course of talking more about it. Made me subscribe. Can you do on the topic of Deus Ex: Human Revolution and all the related human and machine evolution of humanity in the next semester, professor?
I'll need to play that game first and probably do a one off on it. I'm always looking for new games to check out for the channel. And yeah Control is basically SCP the game. I'd love to see it get expanded on.
More of, the Board, as I assume now, was born from the human Collective Unconscious (thus such a desperate need to suck in into the Oldest House - they are noobs in the world of gods), and represents the idea of Deus Ex Machina, something to TAKE CONTROL over the blind to the truth and foolish humanity. Thus, Cassie can be a FORMER part of the Board, a Son for the Father and the Holy Spirit, a Messiah and a representative in the world of mortals. But he was dropped out for some reason and more zealous Northmoore took his place. The discovery of the Black Rock Quarry made their expansion to the material world possible. Establishing a whole new tradition with the presentation and usage of the Service Weapon (made of Black Rock, the material vessel for an idea of the Heroic Weapon, as well as the Nail) the Board ensured that there is an all present actual Messiah, working on their behalf, consciously or not. Thor's Mjölnir, Jesus and Buddha Hearts and Hands - all of these were manifestations of the Service Weapon Idea before the Board, but Black Rock made things much, much easier. Ahti doesn't acts actively because ruining the Board with the power of the Old Gods can crush a tender balance and bring humanity into the darkness or even total madness & destruction. We have to handle things with our own (Jesse and , maybe, Alan) hands now, to take control over ourselves and our own fate...
Polaris/The Hiss are the Idea of Cosmic Subjectivity/Unity, Ascension and Nirvana (very roughly) accordingly. Polaris resonates with our Super Ego and Conscious components, and The Hiss is the same dimension/idea, but which is resonating with the Shadow and Id. Slide Projector is not a portal. It is an interpretation/mirroring machine. A prism in a some way.
I like to simplify it as the board working as a networking company that is transmitting data or information to us the collective and is in return receiving something akin to views on a video to keep them afloat. So while there are those like jesse who can act as there on transmitter/ reciever for this cosmic data the board makes it easier to access in exchange for taking there cut
This does explain why the Board is so intent on helping Director Faden to put a stop to the HISS. If they require the (at least subconcious) 'worship' of people to survive, the fact that the HISS pushes all that out of the influenced minds is pretty much a death knell to them. I am somewhat reminded of the Eikons from FF9 and Ozma in particular. A summoned being so dangerous it was locked away and so old nobody remembers what it really was. And as such without any actual belief and knowledge in it has devolved into simply a mass of chaotic and deadly energy. And that is what it is when finally encountered. In the Oldest House, the Board might be a group of entities that came over to feed off of our reality like parasites. But by being nailed to the House and being made its ephemeral 'Board of Directors' it is both tied to it for survival and trapped at the same time. Because the people of the FBC believe in it as the Board of Directors, it gets nourishment. But because so many people also believe it to BE the Board of Directors for the FBC, it cannot be anything else but that. So it can't go and parasitize anything else.
I agree the board attached itself to the oldest house , my only question is they must have been invited in order to have found the oldest house. Since only those invited can find the oldest house, my theory is they were invited and once in attached them selves like a parasite and somewhere through the millennia became trapped as well unable to leave
So, I'm just going out on a limb and say that if we go by Mr. Gaiman's logic, would the board essentially be a new god of beuracracy? Essentially just being like an eldritch form of the archetype exemplified by characters like the vogons from"Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy? Because while I haven't played the game, watching this video just makes me think of some sort of Eldritch rat King that saw human governments/conspiracy theories about shadow governments and said to themselves "ooohh...free lunch!"
Plus they called themselves The Board. This is a modern idea not some ancient one. I'd recommend looking into Gnosticism and their idea of Archontics. Originally meaning 'ruler' and used for those who held political office. It feels very similar to the entities that comprise the Board.
One thing I've been thinking ever since I saw the Nail is that the Black Pyramid looks like it could be the tip of the Nail. Maybe THAT'S the significance of the Black Pyramid; it's a physical part of the thing binding them to the Oldest House.
What I certainly know is that everything that the Board or the Former does/did/will-do does not pose a sufficiently high threat to warrant a certain 'friendly face' to call us out and say: "Ah, Saatana Perkele, The neighbors dog that drinks from your bowl is fine until the bowl is empty and you are thirsty" (I'm just trying to do an Ahti phrase here, don't judge :P )
Amazing work as always! I hadn't thought of the Board and the Former being literally hungry and needing to sustain themselves through worship. It's the first time I see a really good theory on why the Former needed the fridge and other AIs. (I have a question though of how Ahti fits into all this, but I'll ask it on reddit because writing and reading youtube comments is pain)
My playthrough, I began to suspect The Board. Their authority became very condescending and passive-aggressive, their manner of giving vague allusions to information without actually giving anything concrete didn't seem to fit with the idea that they are trying to help or guide. Or rather, they're trying to guide, but only in a very specific direction, and only with as much information as they feel comfortable giving. My line of thinking? They're not as powerful nor omniscient as we're led to believe. They behave in a manner far too petty, far too *human*.
Funnily enough I remember playing through the DLC I don’t remember finding any real media implying that the board were parasites only that they were not entirely trust whether given Jesse’s on responses. maybe my memory is faulty,( it very well may be) or maybe you truly are a valuable/observant educator. Maybe I am just blind, or perhaps I am just misremembering. Maybe all of these
More likely you missed some of the collectibles. They designed the game so if you miss one of the documents or Ash tapes you are missing necessary info to figure it out.
Tengo la idea de que Chester Bless, el grupo de "La bendicion" y The Board estan coludidos. Desde que lei el documento de la tabla de playa, pero gracias a este video se aumento mi certeza y por ultimo creo que esta alianza se a creado, con el proposito de que The Board logre llegar a mas subconsciente. Edit: En el siguiente juego de Control, Jesse se enfrentara a esta alianza. Excelente video.
Great video as always. Just one criticism, for me at least that glitch sound effect is a pain in the ass for people using headphones, it didn't work for me. As for the rest, Great content, keep it up!!
@@GamingUniversityUoG the effect looked great tho, the whole idea behind it and all. Just the pitch of it was too high in contrast with your calm low voice. Still, loved the video, great work!
Good analysis, but I have a question. If the Board and Former are parasites on the House, their actions are likely weakening or harming the House. Since Ahti is the custodian who protects the House from harmful invaders and threats (like the Clog and those spore zombies), then why didn't He try to expel the Board / Former? Why did he leave them alone like the harmless humans from the Bureau? And why didn't he direct Jesse to do the same if they were such threats?
That is a very good question. Honestly I'd have to think on that. I know that the House itself reached out to Dr. Ash in some form or another. How exactly this happened or the details are a mystery. Other than that I'll have to meditate on that further.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Could be Ahti was to tired at this point to deal with them and maybe he is connected to the House so is weaknening or severing the parasite is dangerous for the House as now they are connected.
When Ahti lets you into the Oldest House he says "If they don't hire you ... There'll be work for the axe. Take them behind the sauna ..." This indicates to me that Ahti works WITH the board, but is not a part of it. Ahti is the caretaker of the Oldest House, and tolerates the presence of the Board, so long as they don't cause him problems. If they become a problem, he can, and will, break out the roach spray. One potential problem with this theory is the Cassette Player. Who are Ahti's Friends, who gave it to him, that it can let anybody bypass the directorial restriction on the Ashtray Maze?
I see it as a sort of Freudian psychological story of id, ego and superego. The DLC is tracing the history of Theodore Ash Jr, who names the "id" of the house. With that naming convention we can call characters like him, Northmoor and Jesse the "ego" of the house. This makes Former and Board the "superego" of the house. The superego is the internal "parental voice" which offers ethical judgement and prohibitions. It could be that "Former" to Jr represents his dead father Sr, as superego, as he was the founding director from a time before Northmoor. Then the board could represent, to him, the internalized authority of Northmoor. To Jesse the superego would be Polaris and both Former and the Board would be a sort of false deceiving authority.
Also, the "Nail" made me think of the philosopher Thomas Nagel (Nagel being Nail). He writes about mind and consciousness and what a huge problem it poses for "objective" science.
Great video and interesting theory. Your channel is the top source for Control and remedy verse lore. The Board are definitely some shady dudes. In that regard we have to question, how and why they allowed so strong and uncontrollable person as Jesse to become the director? Were they so desperate under attack by the hiss? And second - are they aware of Polaris and their connection with Jesse? If they are then what are their plans for it? Are there clues in the game that they kinda have taken a sample of Polaris’ resonance during the Foundation DLC, as some people in the comments are saying? As for the parasite and leech part in regards to both the Oldest House and the Bureau - I totally agree, the clues are plenty, especially in the Foundation. And I always wondered: did the Board killed Trench? Do they have the power to terminate anyone appointed to position of Director? Or they can only manipulate by the promise of power..?
Assuming beings like Former and current members of the Board require quantic observation (attention) like we do food and water, they're going about it in quite the roundabout way so I don't think that's quite it. Along those lines, I believe as of DLC2 the Former is still the better of two options not on account of their credibility, but due to how they are more willing to sitdown on the negotiations table. With the board it's all dictates and trying to cover up the truth and whatnot... Wouldn't surprise me if the Former got kicked out over something like that either.
I was always under impression that The Board means The Board of *Directors*. Past and possibly future as well. The activity of The Former, as well as its speech pattern, coincide with Zachariah Trench and the disjointed visions of him that bring Jesse vital information, as if communicating with her, while in reality monologuing about something entirely different. It would make sense for Trench to be expunged because he would have brought the Hiss resonance into the collective. This wouldn't make sense in a conventional timeline, but who's to say that time in the Astral Plane flows linearly or follows internal causality.
Loved The Board in Control. For me they are the most fascinating entity Remedy have made; more interesting than The Hiss, more flavourful than The Darkness and less trustworthy than Polaris.
Though The Board and Former are definitely really creepy entities, they have some of the most interesting interactions in the game. Like that time talking to Former and it just pauses before saying "No". Or The Board getting mad about Jesse taking the other power but then basically saying okay we'll let it slide this time. Whatever they are is probably beyond our comprehension but they seem kinda childish and petty most of the time.
Personally I kind of like the fact they are petty entities. One of the reasons I enjoyed Greek Mythology so much is because the gods behaved so human. They would start wars on earth for petty reasons and were emotional and chaotic.
@@GamingUniversityUoG interesting to see how the polytheistic greek religion features gods who act as cautionary tales (dont act as foolish as this god did) while in christianity God is beyond human judgment and the cautionary tales involve humans and supernatural beings not following HIS WiLL instead of being the subject of caution himself. Pretty interesting.
@@alexterieur8813 Christianity's god has a better PR management team
To be fair it has been 2000 years since the Christian god has given agency to Jesus ruled out the heaven and Earth.
@@alexterieur8813 I'd say it's a difference in terms of the entity or God you are referring to. I've always had a fascination with different religions, maybe because I'm Christian myself, but there's an interesting thread we could look at here. In all mythologies or religions, we're looking at beings who can cross dimensions or exist inside and outside of them.
If we apply this idea to Control, we could argue that the "gods" (the Board) are those entities. The closer they are to the human plane, the more similar they become or perhaps share traits with us. Aka, the Greek gods could be seen as petty and act like children who wield an incredible amount of power. They can become corrupted by it. Then you look at Fomer who is an inbetween because he/she/it is an entity that has trouble communicating with Jesse, but seems clearly on a different plane entirely. Then if you look at Judeo-Christianity, there are different levels of angels where the ones furthest from humans (like the Ophanim, wheels with eyes all over) don't resemble anything human at all. That entity would be incomprehensible to us or the humans in Control. Ie. Therefore Yahweh is the same in that, unlike the Greeks, He's very different so hard to relate to a Being existing outside of time and within it at all different points in time at once.
Where Jesse is involved, the Board seems to try to come across as somewhat relatable, but the mask slips and we see they are something of a management team what isn't doing the best job. They've lost sight of how to serve and only serve themselves. Ahti, on the other hand, whom humans interpret as a Finnish god, is an entity that instead becomes the most important. He isn't just cleaning the foundation and universe: he's keeping it running. All those tasks he sends Jesse on are really training for the important stuff and teaching her how to serve others instead of herself. I like the theme that just because something seems menial, doesn't mean it isn't a crucial task.
Loved this theory! The whole thing about the board creating the cave paintings to deceive about it’s history is really creepy. I also loved the editing of the video, it adds a lot of atmosphere.
That bit about the cave paintings took me a while to piece together. But considering we have seen Northmoor alter official documents to remove mention of the foundation, using these paintings to alter history makes sense too.
And thanks! It seemed like a fun idea. A community member Yellow Bat helped me with the extra editing. Turned out good!
During my playthrough, I thought the cave paintings were drawn by Bureau agents shortly after arriving due to compulsion from the Board or Northmoor, and that it was covered up by Northmoor because of his strong belief / worship of the Board. But it makes more sense that the Board put them there (likely through those automatons) to cultivate more "food" from the new arrivals like you said.
Boo about the editing
Drawing on the Yggdrasil imagery for the Oldest House, I think that would make the Board Nidhogg in this scenario. A serpent that gnaws on the roots of the world tree.
I get a similar feeling personally. It would make perfect sense considering that Remedy loves their Norse Mythology.
@@GamingUniversityUoG if the oldest house is Yggdrasil and The Board, Niddhog, maybe the advent of the Hiss is Ragnarok? Not necessarily the end of all things but definitely the end of an Era (the end of Trench’s era and the beginning of Jesse’s).
I came to the same conclusion them being NIDDHOG
I disagree, mostly because the Hiss itself honestly seems closer to the role of Nidhoggr
If all this is true, who is Ratatoskr? Could be Ahti, but he has his own Ocean God stuff going on, I honestly think Ash was being prepared by the house to take up that role. I'm not certain he's gone from the series, he could even be somewhere in the House still.
Another thing worth mentioning is that it's heavily hinted that the board can control astral spikes, like in the foundation, one of which damages Marshall's protective vest which gets her infected by the hiss.
Another astral spike can be found in the records department in the panopticon, destroying bureau documents. I feel like the board is trying to erase a time when the bureau operated without them.
Also there's a file in the foundation that outright says that the house's lay lines (like from the control points) all lead down to the nail. And the nail is sucking up energy from the house.
I'm also really curious about the locks/keys you have to undo in the foundation. Which are stone slabs with the symbol of yggdrasil carved onto them, which is also used to symbolize the house. Once you destroy all 4 slabs, the former makes it's way into our plane. Makes me wonder if either the former or the board are good for the house.
Also what about the fallen department in the foundation? The game says that the foundation doesn't shift like the house does, which makes me feel like the department was brought down intentionally by the board.
These are all amazingly great points
My idea for the house shift that moved the department was caused by the former, to try to expose the board.
But wasnt the nail protecting the oldest house by interfering with the astral plane leaking into the oldest house/our dimension? Wouldnt that make the Oldest House and the Board a symbiotic relationship rather than a parasitic one? Or maybe the Astral plane leaking into the Oldest House is actually a good thing/the way it’s supposed to be?
My thought was that the Oldest House shifted them the department there to remove the nail, guiding them to it by growing crystals on the incorrect paths. I doubt the Former would have the power to affect crystal growth. On the other hand, the Board was actively killing the agents with ID/spikes. Maybe a shift like that just uses too much energy for the House, or it would keep doing this if not for the control points.
the former, board and the house relationship is just like humans with mother nature i think.
the former and the current resident of the board is just like 2 opposing humans, they both are destroying the house, they are the parasite. none of them is good
this actually makes a great point for a next game, maybe the humans is the next parasite, destroying both the former and the board, and sucking all the energy from the house for themself.
the house (mother nature) will become unstable and broken, and that will lead to the actual armageddon that has been mentioned in a lot of religions
Just a thought. The board is multiple entities, we know this because of the former. I wonder, while I think the words having multiple meanings, showing how the board views things, could it be possible that you could actually locate individual members of the board, and work out what each says? Like each time the words split is when multiple entities of the board have a disagreement about the exact nature of something (As an example, when it comes to the oldest house, one of them considers it a prision, while another considers it food)
From what I have seen the Board speaks using multiple meanings because they really don't understand human speech. Like most alien entities, they probably communicate differently than the spoken words we use. So they attempt to use similar concepts to get the point across.
I think they use the different words because they don't know exactly how to communicate so they just throw out a bunch of synonyms and hope the point gets across. Though I do like the idea of a bunch of entities trying to say different things.
That's a really cool idea.
I'm confident the multiple meanings in the subtitles are trying to replicate the way speech often works in dreams (right down to the muffled "underwater" vibe), where you "telepathically" comprehend multiple streams of meaning in something without it being directly stated-I actually had one a few months ago where I read a complaint letter from a wizard in an old book from the '90s and despite it not being explicitly stated I somehow understood he was complaining about how certain kinds of spells were increasing the price of VHS tapes (or like how in a dream you can "just know" a character is _both_ your mother _and_ Winston Churchill, in a place that's both your old elementary school and a moon base)-and the subtitles we get aren't what the Board is literally saying at all but what Jessie would wrack her brain to write down if she tried to describe what she's intuitively perceiving when she hears them speak.
But that is a really cool idea. I mean it would certainly explain how those multiple streams are being generated in the first place, on top of just being entities from another plane of existence whose minds are ungraspably alien to us. There might be some exciting stuff Control 2 could do with that idea.
That's what I thought. Bruh the board refers to itself as we. I learned from venom and carnage
So with the theory that The Oldest House is Yggrasil and the one of the Board members uses the oldest house for food I'm getting the idea that, that Board member could be Niddhoggr. The serpent in norse myth that eats the roots of the world tree.
Edit: about 12 seconds after I posted this I saw someone else had already done so and said it better than I did.
the board is Níðhöggr from norse mythology
serpent who gnaws at a root of the world tree
I've come to a similar conclusion. I love all the mythology parallels.
This makes me rethink the role of the Hiss a lot. Sure, they wanted absolute dominance, but they didn't require worship, they simply conquered like Ghengis Khan and forced obedience. The Board are far more insidious and makes me wonder if they are the root of all the problems in the Remedy-verse. I also wonder about Polaris. Is she really her own entity that Jesse can trust implicitly, or just another insidious agent of the Board. Perhaps she is a Board member herself?
Interesting thought…
Dylan definitely implies that Polaris may have her own ulterior motives. But I wonder if he is referring to Polaris or Hedron.
And yeah the Hiss acts more like a Virus then anything. No thought in their head. Just infect and spread. The Board being a conscious and thinking group of entities that manipulate and plan. Heartless mentality versus Xehanort mentality if you catch the Kingdom Hearts reference.
@MysteryRomanticGames I had the exact same idea. Now the Board could have the power of Polaris/Hedron's/Jesse's resonance.
I don't think that Polaris is an actual being, more like a power which is passed from an entity to others. Max Derrat thught it could be a representation of the jungian Self (just like the Dark Presence is the jungian Shadow): check his video about it.
I think it is more a force that leads living beings towards elinghtement and self-enhancement. This power can give knowledge to humans ("The resonance showed me things"-Darling), and Jesse created a persona, "Polaris", as a way to better interact with this knowledge.
Polaris was actually Jesse all along, as she appears in the Motel.
The problem is that now the Board could have the power of this resonance/magic sound of creation too.
The fact that they former is enshrouded in darkness and uses a light type eye to see intrigues me especially given the fact Foundation immediately precedes AWE. The pyramid being black doesn't feel coincedental, especially not when you consider the resurgence of Alan Wake and Mr. Scratch.
Remedy has an interesting focus on light and dark. I hope we will at least get easter eggs to control on Alan Wake 2.
Controls lore is insane. I love how deep it goes and the world it builds if you read the collectables. Reminds me of Elder scrolls, Fallout, Assassins screed or Dishonored/Arcane games. Where the Devs built a whole universe that is well thought out and makes sense. Remedy definitely did a great job with Control.
I had a thought kinda parallel to this a while ago now. I don't remember the details anymore, but I remember picking up on something while playing Control. It just kept bugging me until I realized that it was the Oldest House itself- It's alive, it has a personality and it talks to you. It just only speaks through "body language."
Like I said, I don't remember exactly how I got the idea anymore but I do remember I just started realizing the House was reacting to things instead of just changing randomly. After a while I kinda got a feel for the House's "personality" to a point where I could tell when it was "pleased" or "stressed" and it was always, obviously, stressed around The Hiss.
All this time I thought that's where it ended- Just a really deep detail that doesn't mean much but makes the world feel that much more real. But now after watching this and thinking about it again, I'm suddenly realizing that the Oldest House doesn't like the Board either. As a matter of fact, it hates them.
The connections between the Surfboard and the Board, as well as the Former and the "smaller" nail are incredibly interesting/alarming/blasphemic.
Really enjoyed your video!
It is crazy how all this random information seems to be linked in weird ways.
Thanks buddy! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I think the Board is afraid that humans will become as powerful as them. They keep up the illusion that they are all knowing, but if the collective consciousness can feed them and give power to objects through a focal point, then humans can gain that power too. It's probably why Jesse is so strong, the whole bureau worships her as a savior. One day, Jesse will be as strong as a Board member.
Ooh interesting! You do become able to increase her powers after completing feats/missions/objectives, which boasts her popularity/fame/adoration from the Bureau.
Interesting. That is a cool theory.
This reminds me of the Fears from The Magnus Archives. Basically, human's fear was nourishment for these entities/gods. By creating encounters with these Fears... humans are feed to them often by formerly human Avatars. The Fears are basically parasites but they lack the slight foresight of the Board. So, they are often just as vulnerable to their Avatars shims as their need to feed. I was fascinated by the World building in the The Magnus Archives but it is a tragedy podcast so I eventually decided it was better for my health to just let it go... but I think you would find it fascinating GU!
Never heard of it before. I'd definitely take a look at it. Definitely reminds me of aspects of Gnostic tradition with the Archontic Sect. These beings that feed off human misery. If you are interested in The Fears in that podcast I'd recommend checking out some parts of Gnosticism.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I have in fact looked into Gnosticism! But I hadn't looked into that particular sect. I will take a peek. And the Magnus Archives have all their seasons up on playlists here on youtube
Absolutely. The Board also grants abilities and pseudo immortality, just as the Fears do
@@GamingUniversityUoG the podcast actually touches on Gnosticism quite a bit in connection with the fear called the Flesh. I definitely believe you would enjoy the podcast, especially the final two seasons
when you talk to Ahti about 'the janitor's assistant' position he mentions that the House has a 'vermin problem.' at the time we assume he meant the Hiss, but what if he also meant the Board as well?
on another topic: the board's demands for loyalty and Director Trench. He had a family once, and then 'he brought his work home' and his daughter sickened from a paranatural ailment. what if that was given to her deliberately by the Board to sever his link to anything outside of the Bureau and Them?
I definitely think there is a lot of vermin in the house that needs to be taken care of. Paranatural and human. I don't see evidence that trenches daughter was harmed by the board through. Could be any number of things.
Thought-provoking and interesting!
Control, and several other games, interacts with and creatively incorporates many psychological concepts that gets the mental gears turning. I always appreciate the ways in which you elaborate on them in detail! Keep it up!
It is a lot of fun to try and dissect these game stories and get to the root of what is going on with them. I'm glad you enjoy these!
Dude it blew my mind when you said the Former was weak and that's why it needed constant worship through the refrigerator. Great video as always!
It would only make sense all things considered. Before the Former linked to it the Fridge did NOT need to be watched. After it did
Due to English not being my native language, I've misunderstood some parts of the story. Your videos made it clear and made the playing process more interesting. Thank you for the resources you've spent making those videos. Remedy created a damn masterpiece with this one. If one takes its time to dive into the story and details, Control offers so much more of an experience, than just an action game with guns, telekinesis, and a superficial story of The Hiss. This is so much deeper; Parautilitarians, Objects of Power, and AWE/Altered Items. Paranatural Entities like Ahti, The Resonance Entities, and The Board. Thresholds and Other Dimensions. So much stuff is happening. We need Control 2 ASAP (but not in the form of Cyberpunk 2077 [Take your time, Remedy]), to satisfy this hunger for more action in this Universe.
Remedy has a history of making sure their worlds are very well crafted so I have faith in then when Control 2 comes out. Seriously though I cannot wait! Super excited.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Meanwhile, I can say, while watching Your videos, I realized that You might like Disco Elysium, considering your attention to details. Once again, Thank You very much for your hard work and creativity in making your videos. A job well done, indeed.
As far as English not being your first language. I love how interactions with the board include several different interpretations of each message. Just like listening to someone speak another language, we can translate any word. That's easy. But, we must use context to interpret their true meaning.
Quality content, as usual.
I wonder if the Board somehow drove Trench to his end, seeing as unlike Northmoor he was reticent to be bonded with OoPs and therefore represented a potential hindrance to their position. One might wonder why drive Trench to unleashing the Hiss, a similar entity that relies upon worship and a repeated mantra for power, but I think the Board might have thought itself powerful enough to oust the Hiss without issue. Of course that proved to be incorrect, especially as perhaps Hedron was also working its own angle, perhaps in cahoots with Ahti and the OH. So lots of things to explore in CONTROL 2 (should that ever be a thing...)
I wonder if Former was bonded with the Fridge and the Flamingo far earlier than you thought. Especially as the Fridge probably made its home building collapse when contact was broken, leading to its connection being deepened by the traumatic focussed worship, and the Flamingo seemed to alter the weather...
I'm pretty sure the Hiss is what drove Trench to open the floodgates for them. I'm still not sure on if The Board executed Trench for this or if his sense of guilt let him to a self inflicted act.
The only reason my hypothesis has the Former linking to the Fridge and Flamingo within the last few weeks is because in the 'Altered Item Behavioral Changes' document it is mentioned that these two had changes to their altered effect a few weeks past.
The fridge didn't require it before and the flamingo only controlled the weather. Somehow they did me things and I presume this lined up with the former taking them over.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I suppose.
It's just that the Fridge was stared at with such intensity by its grieving owner. And what with the Former being intrinsically linked with eyes, watching and intense focus it all seems too directed for it to not be connected.
Unless, perhaps the Fridge becoming altered perhaps led to Former's creation, like in Black and White where the player character god is created through prayer.
If so it would answer the question where the Board come from and why they're linked to the OpPs...
Heyyy, incredible theory!!!
The oldest house it's always besn strange, especially the foundation.
The oldest house has always been on earth while hidden from everyone and seems to be "closer" to the astral plane.
I love to think it as the umbilical scar of the planet, tho it's mostly headcanon.
Thanks a bunch!
One tin foil that theory of mine is the dark depths beneath the Foundation lead to the Dark Place. Jesse mentions this place seems older than the House and asks, "What's older than oldest?" Well the state before creation which the Dark Place encompasses. We have seen it used by Zane to create baby universes.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Daaaamn.
Well, who knows....... the new game might prove you right ;)
I really liked this theory. Kinda blows what i had in mind out of the water.
My theory was the borad is either old directors or those "former" entities. (Or both) Emily did ask a great question in the beginning of the game. "How does the borad retire a director and how is that determined." I think emily was onto something when she brought it up, with the idea of the collective thought, the voices you hear over the speakers in the game could be the evidence of emilys collective thought idea and the borad having a subconscious mind or multiple minds. That the voices your hearing are individuals/old directors who ascended to the borad but clearly some of them became corrupted by the hiss. Showing more evidence the borad itself is corrupted by hiss but at the same time shows evidence maybe theres more than one mind channeling through the borad. I think the borad is literally connected to the oldest house in the sense it binds our reality. For example, the black pyramid represents our reality of which we know, but the red pyramid shows an alternative dimension or reality that conflicts with our dimension. (This is also slightly brought up in ash's files when maybe he brings up mabel.) That we dont want our black pyramid to turn upside down or red. But that's the problem and possibly why theres still a lockdown, the borad could be good and just trying to tell us its sick because a couple of individual's messed up the ritual. (I'll explain that theory in a minute) or the formers are parasites sucking on the borad but someone or an old director locked them up. Only to have some dumbass come along and unlock the parasites. I think that dumbass was ash. Jr. I think ash jr made friends with 13 parasites and let them out of whatever prison they were in. Hence why the borad all of the sudden wanted to get in touch with noorthmore and hand him a gun. The borad probably asked noorthmore to stop ash jr from breaking out parasites, maybe he was successful but at the cost of getting infected himself before ascending to the borad.
Or
Then the idea on the formers, I believe the formers were two directors who maybe cheated there way into becoming director. (Super theory on trench and why there was an investigation on him. I believe trench was scared of the tennsey report because it had evidence he fraudulent scammed his way into becoming director.) That trench and darling were under investigation because trench was having darling install things that helped keep that sercet hidden or the method hidden. Hence like the furnace or containment center. (But then I think of what mr. Bones says in threshold kids "everyone wants the chair meg!" Someone on the team who knew of trench's cheat were probably planning on using the same method to over throw him.) Darling seemed game for the whole thing until he got his report from unhill on the mold/parasites eggs) Darling probably made the connection between the formers and the borad, which made noorthmores crazy ranting not crazy anymore. Maybe northmoor broke a deal off with the borad to be reincarnated as dylan faden because he foresaw the lockdown but someone was hoping to shut him up prementantly. (Hence the threshold kids episode on special minds. Maybe northmoor had the power to take over the mind and bodies of individuals) long story short on this one, I think darling was the betrayer trench was talking about, but trench had already given darling to much borrowed power. But clearly darling messed up the method and ended up somewhere and unhill disappointed she wont be head of research. This is where the borad could be evil, and a liar, maybe they only want those that think like them or are on the same wavelength. That the borad found a way to bring altered items into our world to manipulate the the "smaller minds" into delivering them those special minds.
Man, it all feels correct! Makes me feel like I’m spoiled for the next game.
Now I wonder what the role of Hiss is in these events. Can it be a tool for Board or Former to make people worship them since it possesses their minds? Not sure...
The hiss is always posed as something unexpected and dangerous to the board, but it also implies that the hiss might make its way to the astral plane. The board calls the anstral plane a "switchboard" from wich the hiss might spread.
Its likely that the board have some elements rhat link them and the hiss, but i sont expect the hiss to be an agent under something elses control, more a rogue element
I think it is heavily implied that Alan unleashed the Hiss in order to give Jesse a crisis to deal with. One that with initiated her and brought her closer to him.
One big mystery is why did the board allow the hiss to infect the Nail. It caused Jesse to use Polaris resonance on the Nail. But what did this achieve for them?
@@GamingUniversityUoG perhaps the hiss and polaris, being creations of alan, was beyond the boards control or understanding, and forcing polaris to interract offered the board the oportunity to study and perhaps in future replicate such powers.
also marshall blowing up the nail was somewhat unexpected i beleive, but might also have been part of a more elaborate plan to experience both hiss and polaris
@@GamingUniversityUoG: I'd think that either the Hiss is a direct threat to The Board and could directly consume them, or is an indirect threat to The Board and to The Former because they render humans incapable of giving astral entities the attention they need to feed on and sustain themselves.
Hey man, I just wanted to say that I appreciate you staying in touch with your community by replying to so many comments, even on your older videos!
I do what I can. Honestly chatting with you all is half the fun with making these.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Community building is what makes a fandom last!
And then there’s the most important word Former spoke to Jesse, Panini.
Because we all love Spaceman Panini's
This is BOARD-ER line insanely exciting to see.
Respect and keep up the epic work.
I absolutely will buddy!
As interesting and fantastical/supernatural as the FBC.
The Board may as well be a higher entity, similar to the Former, the Other and even the Resonance.
Higher beings who are either above, within or trapped on their side.
Considering how the house is a 'prison' for all OOP, I guess some of these things may as well be in the Oldest House for a reason we may not be familiat with.
Interesting take. It does seem odd that this place is being used to, no pun intended, 'house' all matter of weird things
I think one of the most mysterious facets of Control thus far is humanity’s understanding of anomalous items BEFORE discovering the Oldest House and by extension, The Board. The FBC has gained knowledge from this contact for certain, but how directed has that knowledge been, and how useful was the knowledge they already had before making the Oldest House their HQ?
We know they had acquired s few Altered Items and reported it before the oldest house. First we see is the third Item logged which was found 10 years before that found the house.
Most likely they worked out of a standard government building. One lite building thing I noticed though is how many previous directors there were. If there have been three in the last 70 years we see portraits for about 25-30 ones before that. Must be going back a long way. Possibly they changed every 2-4 years with political changes. After the House they retained the position much longer.
I think the key to learning more about The Board is learning more about The Oldest House. What exactly is The Oldest House? We know that it’s alive, Dr. Ash confirms this. It’s said that the House called in the FBC for help but the FBC did nothing. Meaning the house is incapable of defending itself. This brings up another question, why does the house need defending? Why did the board latch itself to the house to begin with? There’s various questions that pops up that we just don’t have the answer to. The house is some sort of entity, that much is clear but what purpose it serves is unknown. So are the boards true intentions. We know for sure that The House and Board are not one, they oppose each other. Meaning the house at the very least is neutral. It doesn’t desire chaos or worship. The board itself does and is a threat, along with the Hiss and yet The Board and The Hiss don’t seem to be connected/on the same side. It all goes back to what exactly is the house and what it’s purpose is.
As far as I can tell the House is a modern representation of the Yggsrasil. That's why it can easily create thresholds to other places because it literally exists in all realities.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Yeah I literally watched your video ‘What Is The Oldest House’ after I commented this. I felt so stupid lol. I don’t know much about Yggdrasil but I just may look into it
Control needs novels asap
100% agree. What I think would be cool is have an in universe book come out about the Ordinary AWE. Kind of like how Clay Steward wrote the Alan Wake files which expanded the Alan Wake game.
Jesse mentioned in post game how only she knows what really happened in Ordinary and thought about writing it all down after the Hiss situation was done. That would be a perfect meta universe way to do it.
This was fantastic. Only thing I'm missing is why the Former helps you fight Marshall if he wanted the nail destroyed though.
Don't see evidence that Former wants the Nail destroyed. Either way though preventing the Hiss from corrupting the nail is in everyone's best interest
One thing i like about the board. In the beginning the board speaks in the terms on probably how they spoke to trench. And when they further progress into the game. The board changes their tone with jeese
Awesome video. I had such a good time playing this game but the lore that you highlight makes me want a sequel now.
It will be a party when we finally get a sequel!
I love your theory, you pulled together far more than I did. If anyone knows the answer to these mysteries it's probably Ahti (not that he's interested in explaining in any intelligible way). I suspect he is an avatar of the Oldest House itself - the Housekeeper, if you will - which would explain why he can go everywhere freely, even passing through the Ashtray Maze, and why he tasks Jesse with eliminating other growths feeding off the Oldest House.
I mean, nothing comes for free. if the board did their stuff out of the goodness of their heart I wouldn't trust them, but giving and taking is in my opinion perfectly fair. considering the superpowers, the oldest house, the Oops, the BlackRock, none of them belong to us and our realm but we still take them and use them, it's only fair to give something back(a form of collective psychic energy for the board). Director Northmoor said something in one of his letters to Ash "we are guests in their home, we should carry ourselves accordingly" and I kinda agree with that, I know we're humans and we always HAVE to be the aggressors, and dominant and take over cuz "we always know better than anyone", but this was kinda refreshing, even though Northmoor was brainwashed!
clearly, the blind obedience of the last two directors was wrong, but the pure distrust and borderline hatred of Marshal towards the board were just as wrong.
plus what's the alternative? cut them off, and go back to the pre-board era? it was self-serving for them for sure, but you can't deny how much the board has done for the bureau!
you can't destroy the nail cuz it'll leak the astral world into our world.
you can't starve the board of their worship, cuz they have the power to create and affect objects of power and if they work together they might even be able to cause altered world events, so they'll get their psychic energy feeding one way or another.
but the way things are right now, at least they help and guide the bureau in their way.
but the alternative is that when we cut them off they will become a force like the Hiss or the darkness or the mold that will invade our world to feed and we'll have to actively fight off, except we won't have all the superpowers, knowledge, tools, and objects of power that an astral plane ally(the board) provides.
wouldn't it make sense to have them as a self-serving ally who provides power, than an outright enemy which we have no way of killing at all, especially when those are the only two options? (look at what the former has become, he's straight up supercharging altered items and killing people to be able to feed.) I mean in this world they are already constantly fighting off supernatural crises one after the other and barely saving the world(think about how absolute the hiss is and how miraculously lucky they were to be able to stop it, the same with the mold or darkness), why add another threat to the mix, especially since this one has easy access to our world from Astral plane.
Keep your friends close and your mysterious astral plane entities closer!
Egregors and Ritualistic Forms of Worship - absolutely. You are very cleaver for noticing these concepts in the game, for they were not mentioned anywhere. This is why Remedy writers and developers are so incredible. They place such deep and serious concepts into their work of art. It is a pleasure to analyze the world they created.
Thank you!
Honestly out of all of your theories I feel like this is the most likely one ngl. It just makes sense
Since the foundation dlcs I've spent over a year thinking about this one. I'm glad you enjoy the results.
I think in the sequel jesse will turn completely against the board she doesn’t need them because she have polaris
My hypothesis is the sequel will involve the board and paracriminal organizations.
@@GamingUniversityUoG yeah maybe we can go outside it will be interesting especially after alan wake 2
@@GamingUniversityUoG in AWE there a lot of content saying about the Blessed(then suddenly they disapear, not telling if they are dissolved), may me think if they are trying to find where oldest house is, and if eventually they find and put everything at risk again, would be insane playing this
The editing was so good! I love this game, its characters, its atmosphere, its mysteries, its lore, and I love this channel, thank you so much for these videos! The Former is the most interesting character to me, I can't wait for Control 2
Thank you so much! A friend of mine helped with the random Board edits and it turned out really cool!
If the oldest house was Yggdrasil, then the board is definately Nidhogg. Maybe the house was grooming Ash to become a sort of Ratatoskr
The Hiss broke a lot of the rules of the Control universe, exposing the Board as fallible and their control over the Director as imperfect and I think that they are currently in a state of panic over their inability to absolutely control Jesse. They have created a smart, independently immune lifeform with the powers that could make or break their connection with the mundane world if she so chooses.
I suspect that Control 2 will be about Jesse's final ascent to the top of the pyramid and
commanding the collective unconsciousness herself. The next step up the ziggurat being, of course Chair of the Board. Given her distrust of authority and her anger at what the Board did to Marshall, it is difficult to imagine what Jesse would do with those levers to influence minds memetically on that level.
You mentioned how the new behavior of the Artctic Queen provides constant worship for the Former, but I just realized you can say the same with the Pink Flamingo as well. Having the item constantly teleport people away from it means to cleanse it, Jesse has to ‘chase’ it, making it the sole focus of attention for the duration of the chase.
New life gets breathed into me every time I see you upload a new control video
I'll do my best to keep it going until we get the sequel!
Maybe something/someone attracted The Board to the Oldest House using its "power" as bait and trap them, forcing them to feed on it instead of something else.
This is why we need a sequel. So much info and backstory we need!
I had very similar thoughts about the Board after replaying the Foundation dlc.
I'm glad to see we had very similar ideas. I'm a fan of Neil Gaiman myself and I made too a similar connection.
I would like to discuss a few things:
Everything was okay during Northmoor years, he was basically the High Prophet of the Board, but Trench was a problem, he didn't trust them. Actually he didn't like mentioning them. Many information about the Board were censored and hidden.
This must have made them angry.
I too believe that Chester Bless is working for them, by creating new altered items and starting a cult about the Board (=feeding them).
I believe he could be "the Son" mentioned by former. He could be some sort of avatar created by them, maybe by using the little nail.
I would like to point out one more thing: during the events of the Foundation DLC, the Nail (and so the Board) were invested with Polaris resonance. Emily said that the Nail should have been immune to the Hiss, and yet Jesse had to purify it. Maybe they let the Hiss infect the Nail on purpose, in order to have some access to the Hedron/Polaris/Jesse resonance and become more powerful.
I feel like Chester Bless is either a Parautilitarian like the Directors of the FBC/Alan Wake/Jesse and Dylan or possibly an Entity like Mr. Scratch. An agent working for these higher powers, to increase their influence and control of the world.
I think we can also look to the Norse mythology, which Sam Lake is a big fan of. If the Oldest House is to be seen as Yggdrasil, The World Tree, connecting different realms, then the Board can be seen as Nidhogg, the serpent that gnaws at the root of the tree, as the tree keeps it from escaping into the world.
Personally I think that is where they are going with this. What concerns me is the Former has been shown to have slipped out already. Not sure what that means for the rest of the board.
@@GamingUniversityUoG yeah, The Former is a bit of an unforeseen part in all of this. We are not even sure how many members The Board has excluding this being.
This has me so pumped for Control 2, I really hope they expand on these hints!
Same here!
Mannn. I moved on from control like 6 months ago. Found your videos again last night and was stoked to see you had more theory videos. I just lowered through the last 4 in no time
Nice! Welcome back. Got another one in the works too.
@@GamingUniversityUoG can't wait!
I generally agree with what you say here. It seems like whatever the Oldest House truly is doesn't like the Board. I'm curious as to whether or not it tolerates Former. In a future Control game I'd love to see The Board bringing back Northmoor in a challenge to, in their eyes, the rogue Jesse.
Honestly one of my Hope's for the sequel is that it involves Northmoor, the board, and the Blessed Organization. It seems like they have to be connected in some way.
@@GamingUniversityUoG BTW, I've been thinking about how gods might work in the Remedy shared universe. Do you think Ahti was a human that became a god/whatever he is, or did he spring into our realm and assume a human form?
Because if humans can get elevated to godhood, perhaps that's what Northmoor has become. He's 'Neos Helios' - the new sun.
I learned what an egregore was through Adventure Time and the blank eye girl episode. Finn mentions tulpas.
Never seen those shows other than a couple random episodes. Didn't know they discussed that stuff.
I know this video is a little older, but I've been rewatching some playthroughs, and this lends some interesting context to Ahti, and what he wants out of things. Mayhaps Ahti is The Oldest House/Yggdrasil's Guardian/Immune System, and chose Jesse as his Assistant/Medication.
Please stop jumpscaring me with a picture of the board every minute
Just bought American Gods a week ago, and cool to see how these types of media tie together through parallel concepts.
Hopefully we get a few glimpses at the Boards influences outside of the oldest house in Alan Wake 2. I’m sure the FBC will be somewhat involved, even if just passingly for the plot.
I'm sure the FBC will show up in some capacity. Agent Estevez being the most likely since she runs the monitoring station at cauldron lake.
How are you enjoying the book? I actually read The Anansi Boys first. It is somewhat of a spinoff to American Gods
@@GamingUniversityUoG Haven't started reading yet, it's a little deep in my reading backlog (maybe I'll move it up though). I didn't know there was another spinoff, so I'll check that out if I like it!
i love that the Board occasionally interjects in small flashes through at least the early part of the video
Now what's more intriguing is where this might lead in a future game. Are we going to wrench control away from the board and banish them from the house? Will that leave Jesse in a position of power or leave the bureau open to be attacked by even more unfathomable entities? Will getting rid of the board perhaps be a sacrifice where she severs the connection with the extraordinary and returns to the mundane? My personal prefference would be that Jesse gains a better understanding of the Board and their place in this crazy universe and make the relationship more symbiotic and less parasitic, maybe even settle the conflict between the Former and the Board.
With the themes of the game there always seems to be a deeper truth behind everything, and the Board being shady and untrustworthy is a pretty surface level detail, so the deeper truth may be that they are not shady out of malice or indifference and a better relationship can be made.
This is a personal idea. But if the idea that they need to be present in the mindset is accurate, then I don't see why can't give them what they want while still having autonomy. Taking them out may cause a severing of OoPs like you said.
Amazing work man, like always. The only game that I'm hyped for, is control sequels (or even prequels, everything that gives me more control)
And yeah it seems legit. By the appearance of the Former, our perspective on the board definitely changed. And now the oldest house seems more interesting than before. I wonder what is the role of Ahti here. Is he a servant of the board? I don't think so, based on your other video about him, I think he's greater than human beings and probably even greater than the board itself. I'm not that sure though. Still, I think the link between them would be interesting to examine.
Thanks for the great work ;)
I see Ahti as the Caretaker of the Oldest House. I read somewhere that the Finnish word for Janitor means , 'Man of the House' or 'Caretaker'.
Either a physical aspect designed to protect/keep it clean. Or an ancient hero who was given long life to remain and do the same. Big ? Here for this character.
@@GamingUniversityUoG yeah, one of the most mysterious characters in the game in my opinion.
Very nice production value ser!
And you have rekindled my desire for Control 2.
Control 2: Resistance 😁
Thanks! I thought this would be a fun thing to add into this topic.
Same here I need the sequel now!
I was rewatching the gameplay of control, now free of this thought about the hiss being an evil, I can see truly that the hiss like Hedron/Polaris has his nature purposes and are not the bad after all, my theory is that, the hiss was trying to get rid the Board but for do that it was necessary eliminate everyone who believes in it (note that Dylan was the one who against the Bureau and was not affected totally changed like the others), who knows what they would do if the board join more and more objects of power and/or altered itens. To stop this menace the hiss finds a portal through one the slides projectors and do all this mess. Maybe control 2 after Alan wake 2 is this trip against the board and maybe Jess listening his brother to fight back them
How I look at the hiss is they wre just like a wild animal or virus. No good or evil involved with them. Just carrying out instinctual actions.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I'd argue that both the Hiss and Polaris have shown intent and purpose, just inscrutable methodology and reasoning. Both conspired to spread in their own ways, much as the Board has spread its symbol. Perhaps the reason you see them as "instinctual" is that they're the only entities that communicate without subtitles - Jesse converses with Polaris, and receives fractal spiral responses, but we don't know the content.
The Board is explicitly vulnerable to Resonance entities - as demonstrated by Dylan and the Hiss, and are also not capable of making use of Polaris' protection: If they could have, they wouldn't have been vulnerable with Jesse as Director.
This also means that Jesse, as well as the Hedron and HRA's, represent the same threat to the Board that Dylan did.
The presentation is absolutely amazing, fantastic work!
Thank you so much!
This theory was amazing, the game gave some advice on the base game but shout it on the foundation by so many details and still i miss them.
Before the foundation i totally believed on the board but since they were mad with jesse and still had to accept she gained both powers show they are not powerful as they made FBC believe, its like they tried to avoid conflict waiting for jesse to not do anything bad for them.
Excellent theory and kind of what I had come up with too. This game is so fascinating and it’s been many years since I’ve had this much fun.
I have a feeling that in Control 2, the board for some reason, will take all of your powers away, unbound you of any O.oP.... But you will regain them when bounding Altered Items with help of the Former... For a progressive point of gameplay, pretty sure you have to relearn the abilities.
My Control 2 theories involve paracriminal organizations and The Board. Cant wait!
@GamingUniversityUoG is that the "blessed" organisation(s)?
the theory about the oldest house being a separate entity asking the bureau for help to remove the board is so good that if it turns out to be wrong im gonna be so disappointed
The board are definitely gonna try and kill Emily next
From what I have seen the only way they can accomplish this is through the ID. The Board was pissed Ash stayed down there so long. But the only action taken was being chased by the ID or having Northmoor strong arm him.
Whether the Board didn't take any direct action or COULDN'T take any direct action. Putting on a front that they are more powerful than they really are.
Incredible video, the narrative and the editing are outstanding 🔻
Haha thanks. We were having fun with this one
@@GamingUniversityUoG I noticed it! Love the little flashes with The Board.
the idea hunger is making me think: is this an explanation for why Jesse can get so much more out of oops?
because they're feeding on smt, it could be said they're feeding on the power the collective unconscious is giving the oops. but because Jesse is such a good parautilitarian, she can get a better ratio out of it?
I'm probably wrong, but it's a thought
or, the fact that she's a parautilitarian, she provides more to the collective unconscious (kinda like how creative minds are strong from Alan Wake), hence stronger powers
This is the single most compelling and complete explanation for the events in Control I have ever heard. Very good job with this. 😁
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you
This is brilliant man but also consider that the board allowed itself to be attacked by the hiss in order to get access to the Polaris power and not be dependent on Jessie. Also the use of the word Abalone by the Former both refers to a creature that finds a shell to live in but also a type of board game perhaps symbolic of the boards plan (also a pun on the word board!)
No Gods, No Kings, Only Ahti.
Perhaps Ahti's chosen role of Janitor / Caretaker / Arborist for the Oldest House / Yggdrasil Tree is to rid it of the parasite (The Board) feeding up on it -- like a literal tree infected by a parasite.
Question regarding Alan Wake: Do you think Alan "reset" the area of Bright Falls at the end of Alan Wake?
At the end of end of Alan Wake it shows the people of Bright Falls celebrating Deer Fest like everything is normal, which leads me to think the area was reset. My reasoning for this is what sane person (or town) would celebrate Deer Fest when dozens (maybe hundreds) of locals disappeared or died (including 5 Sheriff's Deputies) and many millions in property damage occurred during the events of Alan Wake (e.g. the town and surrounding areas of Bright Falls, the Anderson Farm, the Lover's Peak center, the local hydro electric dam, etc.).
To say the lore of the RCU is confusing is an understatement, and according to the Alan Wake Remastered commentary, Sam Lake is loathe to outright clarify what's going on.
I just finished the game, had a blast throughout the story. Really makes me feel like I'm playing through an SCP tv show, with all the sidemission and character interaction. Also this is a cool concept for a videogame analysis video, making it like a university
course of talking more about it. Made me subscribe. Can you do on the topic of Deus Ex: Human Revolution and all the related human and machine evolution of humanity in the next semester, professor?
I'll need to play that game first and probably do a one off on it. I'm always looking for new games to check out for the channel.
And yeah Control is basically SCP the game. I'd love to see it get expanded on.
We are watching. We are one. We are you and you are us....
Oh no... time to get my tin foil hat.
Keep up with these great videos man!
I absolutely will! These are a lot of fun to make.
'Northmoore's fate makes him, effectively, the eternal worshipper...
More of, the Board, as I assume now, was born from the human Collective Unconscious (thus such a desperate need to suck in into the Oldest House - they are noobs in the world of gods), and represents the idea of Deus Ex Machina, something to TAKE CONTROL over the blind to the truth and foolish humanity.
Thus, Cassie can be a FORMER part of the Board, a Son for the Father and the Holy Spirit, a Messiah and a representative in the world of mortals. But he was dropped out for some reason and more zealous Northmoore took his place.
The discovery of the Black Rock Quarry made their expansion to the material world possible. Establishing a whole new tradition with the presentation and usage of the Service Weapon (made of Black Rock, the material vessel for an idea of the Heroic Weapon, as well as the Nail) the Board ensured that there is an all present actual Messiah, working on their behalf, consciously or not.
Thor's Mjölnir, Jesus and Buddha Hearts and Hands - all of these were manifestations of the Service Weapon Idea before the Board, but Black Rock made things much, much easier.
Ahti doesn't acts actively because ruining the Board with the power of the Old Gods can crush a tender balance and bring humanity into the darkness or even total madness & destruction. We have to handle things with our own (Jesse and , maybe, Alan) hands now, to take control over ourselves and our own fate...
Polaris/The Hiss are the Idea of Cosmic Subjectivity/Unity, Ascension and Nirvana (very roughly) accordingly. Polaris resonates with our Super Ego and Conscious components, and The Hiss is the same dimension/idea, but which is resonating with the Shadow and Id.
Slide Projector is not a portal. It is an interpretation/mirroring machine. A prism in a some way.
@GamingUniversityUoG How about that? )
I like to simplify it as the board working as a networking company that is transmitting data or information to us the collective and is in return receiving something akin to views on a video to keep them afloat. So while there are those like jesse who can act as there on transmitter/ reciever for this cosmic data the board makes it easier to access in exchange for taking there cut
This does explain why the Board is so intent on helping Director Faden to put a stop to the HISS.
If they require the (at least subconcious) 'worship' of people to survive, the fact that the HISS pushes all that out of the influenced minds is pretty much a death knell to them.
I am somewhat reminded of the Eikons from FF9 and Ozma in particular. A summoned being so dangerous it was locked away and so old nobody remembers what it really was. And as such without any actual belief and knowledge in it has devolved into simply a mass of chaotic and deadly energy. And that is what it is when finally encountered.
In the Oldest House, the Board might be a group of entities that came over to feed off of our reality like parasites. But by being nailed to the House and being made its ephemeral 'Board of Directors' it is both tied to it for survival and trapped at the same time. Because the people of the FBC believe in it as the Board of Directors, it gets nourishment. But because so many people also believe it to BE the Board of Directors for the FBC, it cannot be anything else but that. So it can't go and parasitize anything else.
Great stuff loving the content. It's great as I'm replaying it now as well!!!
Same here! Just started AWE again. Getting prepped for when we do a stream of the game
@@GamingUniversityUoG nicee
Idk whats worse, that the former is stealing from realms or the board lying to realms
I agree the board attached itself to the oldest house , my only question is they must have been invited in order to have found the oldest house. Since only those invited can find the oldest house, my theory is they were invited and once in attached them selves like a parasite and somewhere through the millennia became trapped as well unable to leave
Another awesome video, I love the theories you got always thought provoking
Thanks a bunch!
So, I'm just going out on a limb and say that if we go by Mr. Gaiman's logic, would the board essentially be a new god of beuracracy? Essentially just being like an eldritch form of the archetype exemplified by characters like the vogons from"Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy? Because while I haven't played the game, watching this video just makes me think of some sort of Eldritch rat King that saw human governments/conspiracy theories about shadow governments and said to themselves "ooohh...free lunch!"
Plus they called themselves The Board. This is a modern idea not some ancient one. I'd recommend looking into Gnosticism and their idea of Archontics. Originally meaning 'ruler' and used for those who held political office. It feels very similar to the entities that comprise the Board.
One thing I've been thinking ever since I saw the Nail is that the Black Pyramid looks like it could be the tip of the Nail. Maybe THAT'S the significance of the Black Pyramid; it's a physical part of the thing binding them to the Oldest House.
What I certainly know is that everything that the Board or the Former does/did/will-do does not pose a sufficiently high threat to warrant a certain 'friendly face' to call us out and say: "Ah, Saatana Perkele, The neighbors dog that drinks from your bowl is fine until the bowl is empty and you are thirsty" (I'm just trying to do an Ahti phrase here, don't judge :P )
The ending of this video was perfect 👏🏽
Haha thanks. Love messing around like this sometimes.
Amazing work as always! I hadn't thought of the Board and the Former being literally hungry and needing to sustain themselves through worship. It's the first time I see a really good theory on why the Former needed the fridge and other AIs.
(I have a question though of how Ahti fits into all this, but I'll ask it on reddit because writing and reading youtube comments is pain)
Brilliant as always GU. Hope you had a nice new years!
And you as well!
My playthrough, I began to suspect The Board. Their authority became very condescending and passive-aggressive, their manner of giving vague allusions to information without actually giving anything concrete didn't seem to fit with the idea that they are trying to help or guide.
Or rather, they're trying to guide, but only in a very specific direction, and only with as much information as they feel comfortable giving.
My line of thinking? They're not as powerful nor omniscient as we're led to believe. They behave in a manner far too petty, far too *human*.
Funnily enough I remember playing through the DLC I don’t remember finding any real media implying that the board were parasites only that they were not entirely trust whether given Jesse’s on responses. maybe my memory is faulty,( it very well may be) or maybe you truly are a valuable/observant educator. Maybe I am just blind, or perhaps I am just misremembering. Maybe all of these
More likely you missed some of the collectibles. They designed the game so if you miss one of the documents or Ash tapes you are missing necessary info to figure it out.
lol I just realized the nail and board fit together
Two parts of the same thing in different realities
am sort of surprised that game theory didnt touch this game as there could be so many theories
I think there was one thet did in Jesse and Dylon's connection. I dont remember though.
This game is real life, the board is THEMMM, the Illuminati !!
Haha. Once we learn the patterns we see them everywhere.
Tengo la idea de que Chester Bless, el grupo de "La bendicion" y The Board estan coludidos. Desde que lei el documento de la tabla de playa, pero gracias a este video se aumento mi certeza y por ultimo creo que esta alianza se a creado, con el proposito de que The Board logre llegar a mas subconsciente.
Edit: En el siguiente juego de Control, Jesse se enfrentara a esta alianza. Excelente video.
Great video as always. Just one criticism, for me at least that glitch sound effect is a pain in the ass for people using headphones, it didn't work for me. As for the rest, Great content, keep it up!!
Understood. Stuff like this probably won't happen In the future. Just something specific for this topic.
@@GamingUniversityUoG the effect looked great tho, the whole idea behind it and all. Just the pitch of it was too high in contrast with your calm low voice. Still, loved the video, great work!
Good analysis, but I have a question. If the Board and Former are parasites on the House, their actions are likely weakening or harming the House. Since Ahti is the custodian who protects the House from harmful invaders and threats (like the Clog and those spore zombies), then why didn't He try to expel the Board / Former? Why did he leave them alone like the harmless humans from the Bureau? And why didn't he direct Jesse to do the same if they were such threats?
That is a very good question. Honestly I'd have to think on that. I know that the House itself reached out to Dr. Ash in some form or another. How exactly this happened or the details are a mystery.
Other than that I'll have to meditate on that further.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Could be Ahti was to tired at this point to deal with them and maybe he is connected to the House so is weaknening or severing the parasite is dangerous for the House as now they are connected.
Ahti and the board are on friendly terms
When Ahti lets you into the Oldest House he says "If they don't hire you ... There'll be work for the axe. Take them behind the sauna ..."
This indicates to me that Ahti works WITH the board, but is not a part of it. Ahti is the caretaker of the Oldest House, and tolerates the presence of the Board, so long as they don't cause him problems.
If they become a problem, he can, and will, break out the roach spray.
One potential problem with this theory is the Cassette Player. Who are Ahti's Friends, who gave it to him, that it can let anybody bypass the directorial restriction on the Ashtray Maze?
Great theory.. and the alan wake soundtrack is awesome
I love the OST for that game
I see it as a sort of Freudian psychological story of id, ego and superego. The DLC is tracing the history of Theodore Ash Jr, who names the "id" of the house. With that naming convention we can call characters like him, Northmoor and Jesse the "ego" of the house. This makes Former and Board the "superego" of the house. The superego is the internal "parental voice" which offers ethical judgement and prohibitions. It could be that "Former" to Jr represents his dead father Sr, as superego, as he was the founding director from a time before Northmoor. Then the board could represent, to him, the internalized authority of Northmoor. To Jesse the superego would be Polaris and both Former and the Board would be a sort of false deceiving authority.
Also, the "Nail" made me think of the philosopher Thomas Nagel (Nagel being Nail). He writes about mind and consciousness and what a huge problem it poses for "objective" science.
Great video and interesting theory. Your channel is the top source for Control and remedy verse lore.
The Board are definitely some shady dudes. In that regard we have to question, how and why they allowed so strong and uncontrollable person as Jesse to become the director? Were they so desperate under attack by the hiss? And second - are they aware of Polaris and their connection with Jesse? If they are then what are their plans for it? Are there clues in the game that they kinda have taken a sample of Polaris’ resonance during the Foundation DLC, as some people in the comments are saying?
As for the parasite and leech part in regards to both the Oldest House and the Bureau - I totally agree, the clues are plenty, especially in the Foundation.
And I always wondered: did the Board killed Trench? Do they have the power to terminate anyone appointed to position of Director? Or they can only manipulate by the promise of power..?
Assuming beings like Former and current members of the Board require quantic observation (attention) like we do food and water, they're going about it in quite the roundabout way so I don't think that's quite it.
Along those lines, I believe as of DLC2 the Former is still the better of two options not on account of their credibility, but due to how they are more willing to sitdown on the negotiations table. With the board it's all dictates and trying to cover up the truth and whatnot...
Wouldn't surprise me if the Former got kicked out over something like that either.
Interesting theory GU.
Thanks a bunch. Been mulling this one over for s while.
I was always under impression that The Board means The Board of *Directors*. Past and possibly future as well.
The activity of The Former, as well as its speech pattern, coincide with Zachariah Trench and the disjointed visions of him that bring Jesse vital information, as if communicating with her, while in reality monologuing about something entirely different. It would make sense for Trench to be expunged because he would have brought the Hiss resonance into the collective.
This wouldn't make sense in a conventional timeline, but who's to say that time in the Astral Plane flows linearly or follows internal causality.
And yet the most pertinent mystery remains unsolved: 🥪Panini?! 🥪
Does it have salami or Turkey on that panini? These are the deep questions.
Loved The Board in Control.
For me they are the most fascinating entity Remedy have made; more interesting than The Hiss, more flavourful than The Darkness and less trustworthy than Polaris.
hmmm the ambiguous Heathen Dean part kinda interests me
Yeah we decided to play around with this one. The Board really didn't like me talking smack.