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Great effort on a sensitive subject Piet! Firstly just want to give you a tip of the cap for this message. We can see how close to the heart sustainable, ethical hunting is to you and little gestures like clearing away everything from the studio and just having a straight up conversation feel to the video deserves recognition. Certainly makes it more personal to your viewers as well.
Regarding the head shot vs body shot camp fire debate. I’m sure it will continue for many generations to come and it will always remain a personal matter. At the core though you need to be able to say that you have personally done everything possible to hunt with as clean a kill as you can produce with your skill set, equipment and given the conditions you are in. Be brave enough to turn down shots with a low chance of a good outcome or turn the shot down completely. Regardless of trophy loss or meat damage our first duty towards the game we hunt is to give them a swift, honourable and clean kill. We each have to live with the ghosts of the animals we couldn’t dispatch quickly and cleanly - let that be the guide and the advice we pass down to the next generation of hunters.
I’m sad to hear that Piet had a rough introduction to hunting. The effort he has put in to become a better hunter and the way in which he is carrying the torch and trying to spare future hunters the same pain is something we can all take to heart and try and replicate in our own journeys.
Thanks again for all you do for the sport we love and treasure!
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The rule in my family, when I was a kid, was for small and medium game it was head shots only. Preservation of meat, and dead or a clean miss, was the goal. I’ve only used a headshot one time on a big game animal, but the result was the same as with small game. I’m past my hunting years, and very close to the end of my competitive shooting years. My brother never understood why I hunted with my competition rifles. It was always my goal to never hunt with a rifle I wasn’t totally comfortable with and confident in, and never use a rifle in competition I wouldn’t take hunting. I have, at times, carried some pretty heavy rifles :)
I used my target rifles to hunt as well they are heavy but as you said I’m more comfortable and confident with them.
I have taken big game head shots with success. However only on a facing away shot at relatively close range. My thinking is base of the skull. If high, I miss. If low spine. Left and right still effective. I look at a side shot as having too much ineffective areas. Over about 100 yards and I go body shot. Just my thought. Great discussion.
Great video. 👍🏻
I think it's vitally important for influential people to have these conversations with their audience.
Thanks for all the great content over the years!
I hunt deer and hogs here in the USA and almost always take head shots. Where I hunt the ranges seldom exceed two hundred yards and most are within fifty yards.
Nicely stated, Piet. I took a doe last year with a head shot for all those reasons. Range was very easy and I was able to hit a 1.5" group at that range, so I was very confidant. I've been hunting 44 years so far and have never lost a deer, so I'm pretty happy with that. The worst thing I ever had happen was when I was a new reloader, I tried a really High SD bullet in a not so powerful rifle and at short range it couldn't open it at all, so I had to shoot the animal four times to finish it. I've never made that mistake again. I wished that time that I had tried a head shot, because it would have died more cleanly.
In 2008, I went on a paid hunt to Montana pronghorn antelope. I used a 300 WSM hand load with Barnes X-Bullet 135 grains . I studied the pronghorn, the body size, and from that, I knew that the body shot is okay but the neck shot would be much better. The Barnes bullet will deliver the hit that I wanted. Now there were two other hunters in the party, we were all Vietnam veterans; they used the standard bullets in their 30-06; a lot of damaged meat from those cheap bullets. I lost very little meat; for one thing, I took a neck-shoulder shot. The speed goat was about 100 yards away. Premium bullets win always over those cheap ones. Barnes Bullets.
So your saying the barns did less damage than the cheap bullets? Lol I'm good I'll stick to cup and core bullets.
@@shitsngiggles8371Barnes makes a good bullet
It really depends on the rifle I'm using and where the animal is standing. Very rarely will I ever go for a headshot. Being able to shoot tiny groups at distance is great, but the target will very rarely just move. A living animal on the other hand can and will move. I don't want to shoot the jaw off an animal like a deer because the deer suddenly moved out of the way. On my land, I hunt with a lever action 444 marlin and typically go for heart/lung shots.
Wolwe steur hulself nie oor die opinie vsn skape nie Piet.
Enige iemand wat die kanaal kyk kan sien jy is n uistekende skut wat selfvertroue het in jou vaardighede en toerusting.
Soos alles in die lewe is daar levels, die mense wat kla is nie op jou level nie.
Dankie vir die goeie content. Jys n goeie ambasadeur vir SA en die sport.
I really appreciate the information I get from watching your videos! Keep up the great work! As far as your comments on adrenaline and the meat ...I saw a video about slaughtering pigs for market, and they said it was very important to keep the pigs calm leading up to the slaughtering, because if they get worked up or scared, they start releasing adrenaline and then the meat tastes bad! ✌️
I can shoot sub-MOA groups at 200m as you can learn from my channel. However, I would not take a head shot during hunting due to the mere fact that animals don't stay still. head of a game like e.g. roe deer is always moving screening for a potential danger. Why take that risk if you can take a high shoulder shot or a neck shot and take down that game on the spot?
This is true but here in south africa we like to drop it where it stands and save meat and most calibers we hunt with the rounds we have mess up a animal to the point where u can basically only harvest the hind legs whereas a headshot saves the whole carcass...
Yeah imho more people should learn the high shoulder shot and proper shot placement. Good trusty shot
@@dexter712 use a different caliber or bullit.
Great discussion on the topic.
Even the best hunters will end up wounding an animal, it’s the sad truth about out out sport.
Then it is also true that different hunters have different levels of proficiency.
I’m a big supporter of headshots in the right conditions and for meat/cull hunts, however will always go for the body shot when i am shooting at an antlered “trophy” as this enables me to keep the head in pristine condition for a mount.
Truth of the matter is that this is an entirely subjective topic and each hunter should take the shot that they feel the most confident with and have the capabilities for, if you can’t hit a barn door at 100m, don’t criticize the guy that can shoot a 0.5 MOA target at 1000m for taking a headshot, and if you’re a proficient shooter, don’t criticize a less experienced shooter for taking a body shot in a situation where you could have taken a headshot.
All hunters have missed the kill zone. It's how you feel about it afterwards that makes a difference to what your next shot will be.
When I was doing tactical training 17 years ago, my instructors always pointed out that a bigger target is easier to hit than a smaller one, therefore, why make things difficult for yourself when you can plant 3 shots in a chestal area in 2 seconds than attempting a head shot and taking 3 seconds. I have come to pass on this approach to my hunting experiences as well. (That's kinda hypocritical seeing as the last 3 animals I shot were all neck shots😅 - They were all within 50 meters)
I have been a keen advocate for the use of copper monolithic bullets for a number of years due to its terminal performance benefits over that of equivalent weight lead based bullets. Thus, I experience less meat damage in body shots and don't have to worry about bullet failure when hitting bone. Does that mean I won't take a head shot? Only in a very specific scenario where the conditions only allow me a shot at an ethical distance.
Does this mean I doubt my capabilities? No. Do I prefer a closer shot on animals? Absolutely. Will I always get the opportunity to get in close? No. Does that mean that I can, under the right circumstances, take a headshot within reasonable distance? Absolutely.
My opinion: Hunting is not target/ competition/ PRS shooting. You need to kill an animal and must always attempt to do it in thee most ethical way possible. No time or place for egos here. If a person feels comfortable in taking these shots, trusting they're skills and equipment and believe undoubtably they can make the kill, go for gold my friend. Just don't blame everything around you if things don't work out the way you thought. You pull the trigger, not ants or mosquitos.
That said, keep it clean, ethical and always respect the animals we hunt. We owe it to them. This topic will go on for generations to come and we'll all have our opinions about it.
I think opinions are made of the community we grow up in. I know when I was in South Africa head shots was more widely accepted and common. I grew up in the mid west where heart shot is a lot more of the teachings versus western high shoulder is more common. All effective in different ways
High shoulder shots are pretty much DRT. Another option for quick kill
I've taken a few whitetails headshots at a very close range, so I have felt confident in those shots. I've only take shots from strait ahead, never sideways. The only thing I have noticed that the meat is more bloodier than a lungshots. While the etical way on instantly turning the lifeswicht to off with a headshot results in that there are more blood in the muscles/ meat than if you take a lungshot, when the animal lives for a few seconds and the heart pumps blood out to the woundchannel. Etical shot is considered to be placed in the vital areas and not in the head/neck. The meat damage on a shot in vitals can heavily be minimized to wait out when taking the shot, for example how the animal is keeping it's front legs.
I’ve always found the contrary. Less time spent recovering the animal so it’s not laying on its side and pooling blood, they don’t expend the ATP in their muscles, and you don’t get an entire front quarter lost to meat jelly.
@@mahbuddykeith1124 well that is not the case. The blood will not drain from the animal if shoot head shot or neck shot the same way it does when taking a shot in the lungs. I shoot behind the shoulders, no meat damages, just need to have patience. Of course the animal usually runs after a lungshot..
@@rolandwiksten8325 The sinoatrial node (known as pacemaker cells) ensure that the heart continues to beat after the brain is destroyed. It’s the whole principle behind the Japanese process of ikejime when it comes to fish. You just need to be able to bleed the animal quickly after harvesting it. That said, there is a lot of blood that comes out of the carotid arteries as well.
@@mahbuddykeith1124 Perhaps I haven't been fast enough, I will give it a try sometimes. By now with the experiences I have, I find that there is a lot of blood in the meat with neck/headshot. Thanks!
It has been my observation, that those critical of head shot hunting, do not possess the skills themselves, needed to make accurate hits on small targets.
My grandpa prided himself on being an excellent marksman and ethical hunter. On one occasion, after a long hunt, he returned to his truck to find a doe there waiting (he always hunted for meat, never for antlers). Getting dark and being such a close shot he decided a head shot would save him from tracking her down in the dark. The bullet hit her in the lower jaw and she ran off obviously to die a slow, horrible and painful death. He never took another head shot and neither will I.
You say he was an excellent marksman... and the go on to claim that he missed a close headshot... and then use this anecdotal evidence as to not take a headshot...
You are a liar...
I saw a guy stuff up a 3 meter shot. Accidents happen at close range, even with people who are good shots.
@@darkhorse0687 have you never messed up a shot?
@8asw8 Me making or missing a shot is irrelevant.
I love watching your videos although I myself do not hunt. I'm not against hunting in any way because here in Pennsylvania the whitetail deer need to be kept under control.
Personally I have nothing against shooting meat animals in the head; however, where i'm from it is illegal. Most of my shots end up being tucked behind the shoulder, or high shoulder depending on the angle of the animal. Unfortunately with a 30-06, or 300 win mag there ends up being a ton of blood shot meat which is why I think our governing agencies need to rethink the criteria for a lethal shot.
Interesting that its illegal, where are you from if I can ask?
Great Video.. covering a lot of good topics and I like your respect for others opinions. I like your ethical thought process.. most importantly not to make an animal suffer and get the job done correctly and ethically per the scenario..
Bullet selection plays a huge part in either method working properly. 😎
In over 45 years of hunting/ pest control ,maybe half a dozen times I've had to humanely despatch animals that have been FACESHOT .. with shattered jaws ,missing snouts ..not nice....
Have you tried neck shots? that’s what we do where I’m from, no tracking involved with neck shots either. Elk or deer doesn’t matter we aim for the neck unless it’s +400 yards
I have hunted on and off for the last 40 years, in SA and Zim.
I generally TRY to place my shot just below the head in the neck. Have never lost an animal with rhat shot.
As you say mate, we all lose animals. I will only take a headshot if totally sure and then only in profile.
I prefer to not do heart shots simply because I hunt for the meat not the trophy.
Cheers mate
Dankie Pieter! Nice video! I think Distance plays a huge role.. and ego.. Don’t take 50/50 shots.. and it is so hard to hunt with someone else’s rifle.. also a big factor in me buying my own rifle.. I also prefer headshots and hunting from close..😂
Piet! Good video. I take body shots. Why? Terrain. The South Eastern United states is covered in timber. Which I primarily hunt. A long distance shot (250 yards +) is rare. No one can afford that much land. A head shot does not present itself as easily as it does in South Africa. I am not against head shots. But for me, terrain chooses the shot. Just something to consider. And my 270 rocks!
How timely this video is Piet, just came out from 4 days of Sika management hunting today. I shoot a few rifle disciplines, at least twice a month, f class/moving target/4P/silhouette. Im capable, and often place. Outside of 100m, ill always heart/lung shot, the animals have a say in hunting, and headshots make me nervous at any range. In saying that, bullet selection, caliber and range all have a say, so knowing your limits is equally as important.
Very good video! very educational. And you mention an extremely good thing there, that it requires a skilled shooter to take that kind of shots. Also to remember with a headshot, you don't get rid of the internal blood in the same way as with a body shot (the blood stays in the muscles and in veins and CAN ruin the quality of the meat). I'm a hunter and competition shooter but I prefer body shots before headshots. Land living animals I almost only take body shots but seal hunting is another story, there you don't have that much of an alternative then taking headshots.
In the UK it is also slightly controversial.
Interestingly, I note you do not immediately bleed the animal. We would generally do that asap especially with a headshot. Chest shot animals obviously don’t need it. If there is any effect of adrenaline, we tend to consider it comes from the animal being alerted to your presence before the shot, rather than after. Anyway, if you bleed it quickly any effect is mitigated.
From 20 yards to 50 yards, my muzzle loader makes head shots on whitetails every year...
When I started hunting and was told to shoot the heart/lung shot, I lost too many deer that ran off, and have gone miles, but head shots, dropped where they stood.
Once I learned that I can hit the eye, nose or ear, in order to turn off the lights, I have stopped all body shots.
Great video! You are truly a professional and have considered every option.
The one thing that plays a big role is where I hunt. In the bushveld it’s body shots.
If I hunt wide open fields the headshots come into play. Just because you can easily find them again if you made a jaw shot. If you do that in the thick bushveld, you’ll never find the animal again.
Heads move quickly and unpredictably, making them a more difficult target.
Ek jag tarentaale op my plaas met n 4.5 windpik. Dit is nie a goeie kaliber vir n ligaamskoot nie. So ek skiet hulle in die kop 5-6 meter weg. (Hulle is nie slim nie.)
Jis ek wens. Hier op my plaas kom ek nie nader as 100m nie het al n paer geskiet met my 223 maar dis net mors dan...
Good view of things. I hunt deer here in the UK--I will take headshots within certain limits that I know--is the animal calm & unaware of my presence? Low wind? Conditions are not adding uncertainty? Is the dispersion-cone of my rifle smaller than the head? This means about 100m with my 308 and about 150m on my Blaser R8 in 6.5x55. I *have* taken a few longer, but that is because conditions allowed it (for instance, I was able to get on bipod and set up my shot)
What I personally learned in my perspective I hunt monolithic bullets on my 308 175 gr 2480fps for close range to 300m and little to none meat damage and on my 6.5x55 use lead core bullets for head shots and long range and works good for me as for when you are hunting there's always that little voice in your head telling you to shoot good and not hit the jaw or leg 😂
Something I didn't hear is anything about the neck. I am with you on not wanting to waist good meat. I am definitely in the head shot camp, but I do give myself a little extra by including the upper neck area.
If you can make the shot and save the tracking, go for it!
If I can guarantee a clean shot and I'm only hunting for meat or pest control I'll almost always take a headshot. If I'm trophy hunting and intending to get the animal taken to a taxidermist I usually go for vitals. Love the video! Thanks for all the helpful info you post.
Know your skill level. Only make shots you are comfortable with.
I've done both, depending on the circumstances. If I'm not 100% comfortable to take a head shot then I don't. I've seen as many botched head shots as body shots. I've seen wounded animals in both cases never found.
For me.... Don't over extend your ability as much as don't over extend your calibre.
Leave your ego at home and be thankful for the privilege of what we are still able to hunt for.
Well ethically speaking of you think your body shot might not be a quick kill then maybe cartridge size comes into question great video that said when in doubt break out the heavy artillery 30 Sherman mag or 338 Lapua ECT lol
Fantastiese video oom Piet. Ek hou van dit dat oom kop en blad skote se pro's en con's vir ons gee maar op die einde van die dag maak nie saak hoe goed van n skut jy as jagter is nie jy moet self besluit ek sal kop skote doen tot op 200m of 300m en verder as 300m tot 400m of 500m skiet jy op die blad want op daai afstand maak die nie saak hoe goed mens kan skiet nie daar is te veel variables wat kan maak dat jy as jagter n bok kwes en en nooit sal kry nie.
I only have issues with people taking shots beyond 500 meters (actually past 350 meters, but thats my own limit)
Head shots I reserve for closer shots, specially if the animal is standing straight on or away.
Yep
Hunting stops at 300 meters, shooting takes over from there.
@@glennllewellyn7369 I agree,there is no reason to take the chance beyond that, although I don't even go that far with my skill level.
I was waiting for You to touch this particular subject for soooooo long - thanks for that!!!! All the best from Poland my friend ❤️ Try to do some "reaction" movie about Way Of The Hunter - it's great hunting simulator game - and just recently they add "African" map for hunting !!! Take care!!!
There are many more aspects to this.
What caliber are you using. What type of animal are you hunting with a specific caliber.
Almost anybody can shoot a 1 inch group
from a bench if the rifle is capable of that. But can you make that shot of shooting sticks or sitting down on your knees??
Most times the situation dictates that.
You’re an experienced shot?
You know your caliber’s ballistics?
You know you caliber’s trajectory?
Your rifle is PROPERLY sighted in?
Go for it!!!
You’re one of the few guys I would say can shoot headshots! It is a slippery slope and needs to be done by people that know their rifle, ammo drop, windage etc perfectly. Not just any random guy that shoots every 3-4 months and expects to hit headshots every single time without shooting off a jaw
Jis Piet om daai bokke nie te kon vind nie, selfs met honde klink darm na nie na ʼn goeie dag in die veld nie. Sal graag die hele storie wil hoor om miskien ʼn paar lesse uit jou ervaring te leer.
Ek het self al ure moes soek om goeie skoot diere te vind so ek kan sien hoe dit kan gebeur.
Geniet nogsteeds jou kanaal. Hou so vol!
Because most people are incapable of taking that shot.
Tricky and emotive subject to discuss with strong views and opinions in both camps. It is all very well shooting small steel or paper targets at various ranges to dial in your proficiency over varying conditions. While this may get you to a level that can make first round hits at any realistic ranges it will not account for any movement or flinch that a live target can, and does make. With a head shot the margin of error is very small so a small flinch is enough to make a big difference, either a complete miss or a wounding shot. Because of this head shots are not for me. Respect your quarry.
Salah 1 sensasi yang tiada banding adalah headshot..
Mantap piet👍👍👍🇮🇩☕
Ethics while hunting? What is more ethical, head or body?
As a hunter providing for my family a head shot is preferred shot as you loose less meat and the kill is instant, thus the meat is more tender and the taste is not impacted by stress etc. According to me people hunting to provide will always be an ethical hunter, as the ethical hunter don't want to do anything to reduce the meat quality and quantity.
And yes there is a lot of ways to get the meat to be great tasting tender meat again of damage did occur.
Ethics in hunting has got nothing to do with shot placement. It is the respect for the animal and the mindset of the hunter.
Example 1: If one shoot with an AR type rifle ( I have seen this) for the sake of getting the animal killed for the trophy, you are not a respectful ethical hunter.
But if you shoot a good body shot for the purpose of the trophy and you respect the animal all good.
Example 2: If a shooter shoot an animal, with intent, in the stomach area or even shin, to ease the process of getting an "easy kill" you are not an ethical hunter.
So the question of head shot vs body shot has got nothing to do with ethics, it is all about what is the purpose of the kill.
The rule of thumb for me:
Any form of trophy shot - Body shot (But even head-shots can be used as the taxidermist are really good at rebuilding the trophies these days) keeping good hunting ethics in mind.
Providing food for the table - Head-shot preferred type up to 200 m, if one go beyond that, no matter how good you are or what type of rifle / cartridge you are using, body shots.
To be ethical is not a choice in the moment, it is a way of living.
My 2 cents on this topic.
TH-cam or someone is up to some shenanigans. My comment has been removed and contained no profanity or disparaging remarks.
It looks grotesque, but if the intent is to harvest meat then a correct headshot means the animal doesn't suffer.
Eerste keer wat ek ooit gejag het, het ek die bok in sy hart probeer skiet en ons het die arm ding ook nie gevind nie. Lyk my jou eerste keer, nes met sekere andere goed, is maar net oor die algemeen gereeld n bietjie teleurstellend, maak nie regtig saak waar mens mik nie
Hi Pieter, ek het gelukkig nog nooit n bok verloor nie en jag vanaf 5jaar oud. Maar ek het ook bokke wat by my spook van ander jagters wat sleg skiet. Hartseerste is dat dit daardie manne is wat vir my sê ek moet blad skiet. Ek kan nie onthou wanneer ek al in my lewe blad geskiet het nie en ek het al redelik baie en alles geskiet. My pa het my geleer dat jy skiet net kop of hoog nek (keel afsny plek) het hy dit genoem. Ek skiet net kop maar dit is maar baie pressure vir die manne met min ondervinding, alhoewel ek al ouens gevat het vir sy eerste bok en gesê het hy kan hom maar in die kop skiet. Dis maar gewoonlik met my geweer en hulle is baie rustig. Sodra die stress inkom, dan moet hulle maar hart skiet. Maar ek HAAT vleis mors!
Body shot and bigger bulets like 8x57 and 9,3x62....99% dropp on the spott
Goeie video Pieter,soos gewoonlik.
Just thought you could do with another comment :)
Virtually every professional hunter states it’s unethical because the margin for error is extremely high. Sure, if you’re a professional shooter than go for it, but to try and justify the shot and worse yet, convince others who probably aren’t as good of a shot to take them is ludicrous. I’d never tell someone it’s ethical because I don’t know their skill set. Even worse, they’ll definitely injure a few animals trying to get their groups small enough to hit the brain every time. All it takes is the animal to take one step, one head turn and it’s a horrific injury whereas the lungs can take that slight movement. That’s the difference between a hunter and just a shooter.
I say if you have the skill and know the exact range take the shot . You’ll save the most meat that way.
I think Peter, you're in a pretty unique situation where you have a level of skill, and can practice enough, where a head shot is just as ethical as a body shot.
Most hunters are not that good. I for one would probably completely miss the head at best, or horrifically wound the animal at worst.
I think 99.99% of hunters are like me.
Head shots are a no-go for everyone I hunt with.
I've found that wind has more impact than abilities of the shooter past 200m. Bekke af is nie sports nie. Elke ou moet maar sy eie limits en strategie stel. EK skiet gewoonlik net kop as ek agter die kop 'n skoot kan kry.
Klomp manne met kkein mannetjies sin droom. As jy genoeg op die baan kom en jy oefen op klein gongs en jy kan konstant raak skiet kan jy kop skoot skiet. As jy een keur n jaar n kudu gaan skiet vir vleis skiet hom in die blad. Bottem line is jou eie keuse. Hou op meet wie se tollie is die langste. Die man kan skiet gun hom dit asb.
Goeie tema Pieter
5 years ago I lost my 1st big game animal. I decided after that to upgrade all my equipment. I studied and practiced and learned my equipment perfectly. I now only do head shots. You must know your equipment and your ballistics. Then you must practice , then practice more. Then after you practiced. You practice more.
This is what I do. I fill my pack full of clay pigeon targets. Go across a long deep far Canyon. Lay them all out in completely different areas. Down low angled spots. Left to right angles. Straight out in front. All ranging from 100-400 yards. My rule is if you can't hit a clay every single time. Then you should not do a head shot. Good equipment, good hand loads, know your equipment and your ballistics. And practice practice and practice.
Hi, so I grew up on a 700HA farm where we were not allowed to shoot anything but a headshot because we hunted for meat and not trophies. So my first time on a game farm that does not belong to family I got S**t for only shooting headshots, for destroying the trophies. I still hunt for meat, on a small farm that you know well a jaw shot is easy to spot, i was on a hunt in 2019 where i saw someone miss 3 shots on a Springbuck to the only take-out two legs, and we had to catch it... and put me off... headshot or no shot
Mitigating risk. When in the veld you need to do the calc. So you have stable is you shooting position. What is the wind doing. Do you have DOPE. Understand you capabilities. Mitigate risk.
@@smsteyn none of that been hunting like that with a scope from the 1970s and a 30-06 that is considered a relic to some. It's about doing it for 30+ years, my grandad used to hunt kudu is south NAM his whole life with a 303 Brit with a peep sihgt, and his dad did not allow them to waste meat. I was raised the same way... a missing jaw is easy to spot in a herd, a stomach shot does not bleed. It's a "to eaches his own " a shot to the base of the horn still brings the animal down or stuns them for a 2nd shot.
I agree, each to his own. As long as you believe that the shot is within your capabilities. I have only recently "upgraded" to headshots. A lot of the newer shooters did not grew up shooting, like myself. I have the utmost respect for the "oop vesier" okes. I also moved over to minimize meat losses. Happy hunting!
the controversy about headshots is one of the things that keep me off hunting.
Logically speaking it is the best shot to take. no matter where in that area you hit, it will most likely be lethal. Head or neck are both ideal for that. While there is lots of area to miss, which in that regard is a good thing as well.
There is only two things that speak against it: Firstly its cruel, destroyd a potential trophy and just is unpleasant to look at. Secondly it is easy to miss.
The fact that so few hunters choose to do it tells me that they rather land a bad shot then accepting to completely miss. Something that really makes me wonder what cruel things are happening, when people are out hunting alone...
Peteraugudt2595; You are wrong, and your statement shows lack of understanding. This is all about risk management. A well placed headshot is perfect for killing fast, but a little movement from the animal at the time you pull the trigger, can easily shoot of the jaw, or give the animal other "non leathal" wounds that will give them a long and painful death. Remember: -A miss is a shot that hits another place than expected. In this regard, it's not a good thing. It's not like a miss on a headshot misses the animal completely.... You should not believe hunters shoot body shots, just to land a bad shot. -That's just far off from the reality. If you aim at the right place at the body, you get a larger size of leathal hit area. This give you more room for error, and smaller risk for a painful death. That's the correct way to hunt in most occasions. (But sometimes the headshot is the way to go also).
@@sidekickbob7227 Why would there be a higher risk for a non lethal wound to the head then to the torso? The kill zone of most animals is maybe 1/5th of their torso, everything else is suffering.
With a headshot the target is smaller but the chances of creating suffering are much smaller too.
Ek stem vir kop skote. Ek al al my 30 kudus kop skoot geskiet en dan ook all die ander wild behalwe varke en jakkalse😹
do prions in deer play a part in why americans typically dont use headshots?
No... who is eating the head? Many areas in America where hunting is prevelant will have long range shots available... in those situations, the headshot is just a much harder/riskier shot. Also, there is a widespread distaste for taking headshots because there is a feeling that they are unnecessarily risky and are done as a form of showmanship.
Nice video maar hou op om jou R’e so te rol. Praat net normaal.
I do not believe that head shot is ethical they are not a target they are a moving target and you can know when the movement will happen
The same can be said for body shots. Animal can always move.
I think you hunters relish in seeing gore videos.
From a none hunters perspective it could look like that, but that certainly isnt the case universally
2 deleted comments? Cant take criticism can we huh? unsubscribe
I havent actually deleted any. Maybe you triggered the profanity filter. but please see yourself out if thats the case.
@@IMPACTSHOOTING My comment has disappeared too. It was pretty polite and certainly no profanity - what is happening here Piet?
@@horseguy1230 Me neither, no profanity whatsoever. If thats the case that youtube is doing shenanigans, then my apologies, seemed like you deleted criticism, Piet.That I did, critizize you. Headshots are a pet peeve of mine regarding ethical hunting.
@@IMPACTSHOOTING By chance, I copied my last comment and had it in short term storage still. Pure luck, here it is. I dont see profanity.
"There is no justification for headshots, neither through meat quality and especially not through animal welfare. In both aspects headshots are bad and we can go into detail if you want. They should be reserved for very, very rare occasions like kill shots on downed animals with their head still high but the vitals are covered. I have watched 2 minutes of the video and I am already done. Sorry, I respect your shooting abilities but here you are just clueless.
And now you can delete the critical comment again like the last one I left."
When I wanted to add "Regardless of skill level" the comment was gone.
@@8asw8 Not sure I can be bothered typing the whole thing again - its almost a s tedious as having to follow up a chest shot animal. I did mention that Piet is capable of missing (as is everyone), you only need to watch a few of his competition videos to see that. This was not meant to be critical, just that you owe it to the animal to minimize the risk of suffering. The head is a relatively small, very mobile part of the animal and a screw up is either a complete miss or a slow lingering painful death. Head shots have their place , but they should never be a first option.
Hunting is dumb
as is this comment.
Hunting is more ethical than slaughter houses...and if you're a vegan it's waaayyy more ethical to hunt than to farm your veggies because everything gets killed in veggie farms to save crops...
I told my children when I first took them hunting, we need to be honest about our food at least once a year, and not have someone else do the killing for us.
Hunting in many parts of the world replaces predator culling of the herds. Humans historically have been carnivores and hunting has been a part of our lives since we became able to do so. Culling a herd could be done with poisons or trapping and slaughterhouse processing. However, unfortunately as humans we have changed the environment significantly, thus herd management has become our responsibility not that of the wolves, lions, and hyenas. I am not asking you to agree with me or to become a hunter. I am asking you to reconsider why hunting is done and perhaps that is isn't dumb.
So you go on youtube search hunting videos and deliver commentary on the video? This is a keyboard warrior,he won't say it in a hunter's face. Pieter don't worry about these comments. They are like varmin.