Can we also talk about how they completely obfuscated the fact that Helaena should be sinking into madness with grief? They made the killing of her child a comedy scene like the burglars from Home Alone, and topped it off with Alicent screwing around….
@@conniptions1533 Exactly, it’s one of the reasons she doesn’t fight on Dreamfyre in the defense of the Greens. And ends throwing herself out the window to her death
Also let’s not forget that she has barely any scenes, when in the books you can easily empathize with her character because they show you how much pain she’s going through due to her child’s death.
Aemond ordered that every boat that leaves the harbour be inspected as well. Theres no way word of the queen or somone with her likeness being at the harbour WOULDNT reach aemond
Adam claiming Seasmoke is sacrificing so much of what makes him a great character. In the books, Alyn is the one who tries first to get Seasmoke and almost gets killed. He gets a nasty burn from the experience but Adam intervenes to save him, risking his life. Through his bravery, as he saves his brother, he is acknowledged by Seasmoke, and bravery will be a recurring trait for Adam along with his loyalty. On Alyn's side, he never holds it against his brother that he was chosen instead of him. He overcomes his wounds and dedicates himself entirely to sailing, carving his own path even if he shall never be a dragonrider. The story of the two is beautiful, especially for a pair of commoners/bastards.
Like why couldn’t we have had this!!! Budget sounds reasonable AND it gives more backstory to two new characters that people would love. Like the books spell out shit for these people and they say fuck it. Instead let’s fuck around with Daemon and Rhaenyra doing nothing all season.
@@thibautisserant Oh, our poor smart and patient girl. Her story of claiming the dragon was so inspiring in the books. In the show we get a girl running to the dangerous creature and hoping for the best.
What's wild about the kiss scene between Rhaenyra and Mysaria is that Mysaria JUST got through talking about how her father raped and impregnated her as a child, cut out the baby and left her for dead... Like.. in what world would someone want to do anything sexual immediately after telling someone about their childhood sexual abuse??????
I think that’s an insult to most fanfics at this point. Most fanfics are usually the first effort by the person writing it and aren’t actually professionals who are paid by large corporations. Hell, even then some fanfics can be so bad they’re good or at least entertainingly crazy with what the fan thinks.
@@williamfrank962 true. There's a lot of fanfic that is much better than the original. I guess, the most apt is that most writers are unexperienced on how to write and needs more training which the studio fails to give
@@arrielradja5522 honestly, in my opinion it’s a mixture of inexperience, politics (unfortunately), and studio meddling. The first I think like you said that many writers are hired on don’t have much experience when it comes to game shows and movies. I mean try to compare movies that were considered mediocre 15 years ago and can bet if it were made today with modern cgi and budgets it would probably be hailed as a great movie due to the movies we usually get today. Rhaynera visiting alicent in the sept where they used to converse all those years ago to try to appeal to peace sounds good on paper: it’s a last desperate attempt between former friends to stop war, its a callback to previous scenes, it emphasizes the importance of role of religion of alicent and is a last farewell to the two before bloodshed. However, logistically it doesn’t make sense. Rhaynera wouldn’t be able to really enter the capital and even if she did she’d be taken away in a realistic sense to end the war before it continues, the blacks would panic as their queen would be gone for at least a couple days as it takes distance to travel, there’s no way the greens wouldn’t have people telling them that they saw her dragon as everyone is watching the sky presumably after cristen Cole’s chase into the Forrest and the battle with sun fyre and Vhagar and finally it what can alicent do? She has no real power in the game besides being aegons mother who don’t listen to here anymore all she’s doing in my eyes making alicent have a guilt trip over her choice of actions. Second and while I don’t mean to get political I know from actual experience within the entertainment industry that politics and identity politics are being deliberately pushed and are a focus point during meetings. House of the dragon proves this with the characterization of the two female leads and the male ones (aegon, aemond and Daemon). The book paints them all as multifaceted characters who come off as very grey all around both the greens and the black have just as much reason for you to hate them as much as support them. The show especially in season two makes it clear who you are meant to route for (blacks) and who are the villains (greens). With many deliberate evil actions by the blacks ether being accidents or outright ignored. The issue is that in today’s age some studio heads won’t allow certain minorities or a gender to be outright villains and also won’t allow them to be portrayed in certain ways. It’s why Maeve from the boys wasn’t killed, it’s why Rhaynera can’t be overtly villainous. I understand the thought process somewhat (you don’t want to be punching down) but the issue is that it takes away from the nuances of conflict that was done well in the book. I also think this series wants Rhaynera to be the new Danny which can’t work as (before her turn) Danny was far more morally righteous and caring towards the people and characters than Rhaynera ever was but to counter this they are deliberately trying to alter her character to be more like Danny. Daemon also has been nurtured compared to his counterpart along with aegon and aemond relationship. He’s far more weak in terms of self confidence, determination and personality, I think this was done because Daemon can be seen as a toxic masculine figure that people would rally behind. I also think they deliberately gutted the relationship between aemond and aegon. In the books I believe aemond is actually the smaller of the two and while the aegon still bullies aemond I believe the two actually form a strong bond. Aegon gives aemond a feast after liking Luke and aemond (at least described) is horrified by what was done to his children and goes into a rage and it would’ve been a nice change to see a power hungry character actually not go behind his brothers back to take the throne because he just genuinely cares for him, I think it was done to create tension but at the same time they are also two “toxic” characters and showing a genuine friendship between male characters that isn’t just “bro this and that” is harder to find. But I do think I’m looking to far with that one. Finally it’s clear that the studio has made this series slog because they need to ether make sure the budget is enough for later and it’s safe enough for producers to invest in. This is becoming more of an issue with tv shows, movies and games demanding higher and higher budgets due to production costs. It’s just a part of life and just how entertainment is currently and it’s not a blame game but you can tell they are stalling because of some budgetary reasons and stretching it out for them to get their money’s worth and more.
As a fanfiction writer I myself, I write for me and if other people like what I make then good but thats not my priority. These show writers are writing for millions of people who are getting paid a professional's wage.
It so odd, because after watching Season 1 I was like - "Great! Seems they have learned a bunch of valuable lessons from GoT" and then S2 HOTD is honestly among the worse seasons in GoT and HotD combined. What a letdown :(
Their egos are big, their talent is anything but big. It's the nepotistic and cronyism of tv and movie land that's destroyed the chances of people with talent getting a foot in the door.
The first 2 seasons of House of the Dragon are based on like 100 pages total. There just isn’t enough source material for an adaptation not to add more. Also, a big theme of Fire and Blood is that the histories ARE NOT RELIABLE
@@lardplowsmen2891 i understand adding for example, alicent and rhaenyras relationship, the book wouldn’t obviously have that, or viserys being such a good character, but omitting some of them or just blatantly doing weird shit
These days, it seems like most stories can't show two characters opening up to each other without implying or leading to a sexual encounter. It's as if genuine emotional connection is always tied to physical intimacy.
@@TheRealDionysos i wonder, if it might be related to the fact, people across the world, but especially in developped countries, have less and less sex, especially the younger generations. People loosing their touch with sex in real life, they want to compensate with the screen...
@@bretonneux3389 I think porn addiction has a place in this matter. A TV Show is kinda like a tiktok/short/reel attention seeking and kinks are getting crazier because of the porn addiction. So they put sex where it doesnt belong just to get some attention.
Yeah, especially after the writers doubled down and repeated the same mistake, this time with Alicent sneaking out of King's Landing to see Rhaenyra! What the heck are these writers doing, have they even read the book? These characters are no longer supposed to be friends, and these scenes make both of them look like complete idiots.
@Rocket1377 Even more batshit insane is the fact Alicent literally gives up BOTH of her sons to be murdered . . . I knew something was wrong when they made Halaena just casually give up her baby boy to be brutally murdered without a moments hesitation, punctuated by the insane lack of emotion/fear or even real care as her son was literally beheaded 5ft away from her . . . . . . . . . That's so ****ing crazy to me it's actually mind boggling, these writers (specifically the woman involved in this show) are THAT detached from reality and mentally unhinged from their warped beliefs and views of society.
@@Rocket1377 the book itself is vague and literally written from the perspective of a maester after the fact. I feel like that argument never holds water.
Tbf, the problem with GoT wasn't so much show writers deviating from the source material because of their ego (they did some of that, but the show could survive it.); main problem there was show writers just plain running out of source material (because GRRM never finished the last two books) and having to continue on their own, with only a couple general tips from GRRM as to what ought to happen.
@@SirContowhich is why it’s even more frustrating. At least D&D did AMAZING work with seasons 1-4 when they had material. When it ran out, fine, it sucked. But these writers have it all. They chose to bastardize it. They chose to ruin it. And they chose to insert personal agendas into a fantasy story.
@@SirConto "main problem there was show writers just plain running out of source material" This is completely and utterly false and I wish people stopped saying this. You probably haven't even read the books. In season 5 they WERE still adapting books, 4 and 5, and they changed almost EVERYTHING. Dorne, Stannis, Sansa's arc, Aegon left out, Mance, Stoneheart, on and on it goes. They deviated from the source material to an absurd degree, and that was exactly the moment the show dropped off a cliff. It wouldn't have mattered if George had written the final books, because the writers ALREADY had completely abandoned them.
@@AegonTheUnlikely D&D did have all the source material for season 5 too, and they completely changed it and replaced it with storylines of their own, all of which were terrible.
The most annoying lack of a chekhov's gun is Rhaenyra not killing Laenor just for him to die off screen. Her not killing him didn’t change anything: the Velaryrons still hate Rhaenyra and Seasmoke was still claimed. It just felt like the writers wanted to keep her image squeaky clean so the viewers knew how to root for
I honestly believe that daemon paid qarl correy to slay him at that fair at spicetown in front of eye witnesses and didn’t corlys go and receive his sons corpse
@@brainboyben going from what mushroom said but i know he ain’t reliable theres a few ways in fire and blood they say it could of happened and headcannon ?
I sincerely hope I am wrong, but I think they will cut most of the bad things Rhaynera did (as they already did with Laenor, etc.) and make her end just anti-climatic. Also, they completely ruined Daemon this season. They could easily pack all of his dreams in two or three episodes, and that would be enough. Also, I don't know why, but my gut is telling me the show producers are going to fuck up the battle of God's eye. It feels like this show will go downhill even though it has a brilliant season one IMO.
@@thisisboxingproductions6894 the writing already went downhill back in S1 starting with the lame "Aegon's dream" like Aegon the Conqueror saw the white walkers but didn't see what Visenya and Maegor did (dude saw he had advantage that's all), and then in Ep8 how they made Alicent accept Rhaenyra as the future queen after all she did with Daemon, like the "Laenor" thing and the Vaemond thing just 2 hours ago, wtf was that about? does a regent queen like Alicent really needs to misunderstand Viserys to chose her son over Rhaenyra after all she saw and knows about the Blacks? As if Rhaenyra didn't also fight for her non-Velaryon son to take Driftmark, it was a very biased and lazy writing and framing and it's very very early for this, D&D showed more fairness to Stannis than Condal ever did with this story and characters I would have honestly loved Rhaenyra if she was grey and told Daemon to order Leanor's death for real in Ep7 it would have shown her to be aware of what's waiting for her Strong boys in the far future so she decides to eliminate the "alcoholic absent father" to have a trueborn sons with unquestionable parentage, because in her defense Laenor was a burden and it can just be her and Daemon's secret to take for the grave, how is Rhea Royce's death is more acceptable than Leanor's? Laenor is a bigger burden for Rhaenyra than Rhea Royce ever was for Daemon, instead of that we got a very delusional Rhaenyra that thinks she's in the year 2024 in some western country
@@4549uef I agree with most of this but expand on the strong boys / leanor / trueborn relationship ... Woldnt this mean Rheanyra has subconscious and potentially negative outlook of her bastards
@@guwopzyyes that's the point, Rhaenyra having consciousness on the Strong boys gives her character awareness, did she really think that a Strong boy will forever be secured on the throne with her brothers and younger sons in the picture? Come on, even by removing the Greens there's still a problem This doesn't mean that she has a negative outlook on them, it means that she wants what's best for everyone, because I can't see any alternative outcome where Jace become King and Daemon's sons just play loyal (Daemon Blackfyre rebelled for less) but Rhaenyra being so delusional about Jace's lineage and future is so bad for her character's intelligence, I think awareRhae is more interesting and entertaining to watch, she would have made a tough decision as a parent but understandably right one
@@4549uef 👌👌 I get you. Even in the most recent episode right after Jace lashed out in my head the conversation and her reaction seemed off, from a writing standpoint.
Yeah I'm with you. I'm less hopeful and definitely tipping into afraid now of just how much they will bend this beautiful story over the barrel, and just have there way with it.
@Krit101w Alicent goes to Dragonstone and tells Rhaenyra to take Kings Landing, effectively betraying her family and all her children for some reason no one knows. As well as continuing the terrible plot of people sneaking back and forth between Dragonstone and Kingslanding Daemon prostrates himself to Rhaenyra after having a vision of Daenerys, and he tells her “winter is coming, you are muh qween” mega cringe Helaena blatantly spoils what will happen to Aemond, like she literally says what his fate will be and where. No subtly and literary foreshadowing in the delivery, awful writing. “You will die at the God’s eye and Aegon will be king again”. The writers have no idea how to do basic foreshadowing to create buildup. Aemond cries like a b*tch after Helaena refuses to fight, confirming that Helaena is the most useless character in the show and only acts as a plot device to foretell future events. Apparently her only personality is autism.
Thank goodness for pointing this out I know so many fans will say the book is not historically accurate but the problem is that doesn’t mean u can do whatever u want.
@@thenickfoxx There was 2 examples given in this video of dumb changes that weren't even made by the script but by people who thought to improvise them in the moment with no regard to even the changed story they made, that's about as reckless as it gets.
@@thenickfoxx 2 episodes less this season, and I can count wasted minutes of showtime with useless filler that could have been used for material IN THE BOOKS…that’s financially reckless on the part of the showrunners and the writers
The problem is that they cram too much "modern day ideals" into what is supposed to be a gritty medieval fantasy show. They did the same for Netflix's The Witcher, especially season 3. They did it so much that it didn't feel like I was watching a medieval fantasy show, it felt like I was watching a bunch modern day New Yorkers playing a game of LARP.
I think that they’re afraid of looking bad or not progressive if they don’t cram in that crap. It’s almost out of fear rather than a desire to spice up the story.
MODERN? there is so much gay people in medieval times in whore houses whos done more freaky shit than we do in this modern times, what they showed with Rhaenyra is very fucking weak for there times for boomers like you to handle
Ironically, it's _you_ that has it twisted when you say something like "what is supposed to be a gritty medieval fantasy" -- This place isn't even in our solar system, much less whatever definition of "medieval" you think it should be mimicking. This isn't history, it's entirely supernatural fiction. It can be structured in accordance to whatever ideals its creator(s) want it to be, and it has absolutely zero obligation to adhere to whatever corny lane you think is better. There's literally a billion other "gritty medieval fantasy" stories out there, go immerse yourself in one of them if that's what you want. There's literally no shortage of them.
@@Trepanation21 Well, you said, "whatever ideals its creator wants it to be." The creator is George R.R. Martin, and they're not using his ideals in the show.
Can’t wait for the battle over the gods eye to be a 1 minute scene that immediately time jumps to rhaenyra learning about it and then instantly moving on with the plot
Something I’ve been hating about this season is the two factions addressing each other as the “greens” and the “blacks”. In the books (as far as I can remember), they never did that… it was more like how people in the court would secretly refer to them. I’m starting to think that some lazy writing appears to be more evident in the show… overall I have to admit I’ve been enjoying the show so far
"In the book" aren't you tired of this?This is season 2 and I am sure you watched sea 1 already.The show has been adapted from the book for TV and their are writers especially hired for that reason.So obviously there will be some changes.
@@binayshrestha7132 Why are you complaining about people commenting and comparing the series with the book if the original video IS about that? What did you expect?
I’m afraid that after what we saw in the recent leaks from the s2 finale, this video will age like a fine wine…. What I also find problematic besides changes that directly conflict with the lore and the world of Martin’s books, are possible timeline changes, taking important events from the dance and rearranging their order. Also the show writers obsession with game of thrones and it’s (disastrous) last season should end. The book was written to expand the lore and explain to the reader how and why Targaryen’s dragons became extinct, and not specifically as a prequel to GoT. The writers should treat HotD like an unconnected story in the same universe rather than try to tie the two together by all means possible (and for whatever reason, like why even do that??).
I saw the leaks too and was absolutely cringing at Daemon turning into Jon Snow 2.0 with the “you are muh qween” ish and the song of ice and fire crap. It’s almost like the writers don’t know that people hated the last seasons of the show. Out of touch with their audience.
grrm is truly cursed. Even when he has a finished clear cut book in place, incompetent people gravitate towards him like toilet paper to the butt. It’s so bad that it made me miss d&d’s earlier work on got when they actually followed the book to a T. I genuinely hope they hire good screenwriters for s3 bc this show has too much potential.
@@kairosmvr1900no, he’s right. Watch tonight’s “finale” episode and you tell me with a straight face he isn’t 1000% right. This writing and entire season is hot garbage and a disgrace to fans who waited 2 years for *This*
This comment is aging like fine wine. The season finale wrapped up a season of mostly nothing with more nothing. We got the one dragon fight, and not much else. Maybe next season some stuff will happen in more than one episode.
I have been saying this all season long,every single episode has plotholes,some of them completely immersion and lore breaking. Rhaenys being in King's Landing for some reason and letting the greens go. Daemon wanting to go after Aemond with Rhaenys and her refusing. Baela not killing Criston and Gwayne when she had the chance. Aemond attacking Aegon on purpose,instead of it being an accident because he was aiming at Rhaenys. Rhaenys deciding to turn back for no reason instead of her and Meleys being crushed under Vhagar. Rhaenyra somehow managing to sneak into King's Landing to talk to Alicent and then Alicent just deciding to let her go instead of having her killed. Daemon having his LSD trips for like a year,making the Blackwoods both genocidal maniacs as well as having them commit said genocide wearing a royal Targaryen banner for no reason as Daemon would have gotten the fealty of the riverlords thru Oscar regardless. Rhaena deciding to abandon her little brothers for no reason and seemingly claiming Sheepstealer instead of the brilliant Nettles subplot. Also the enormous implications of dragons being able to nest just about anywhere in the world,in this case the Vale,as it completely makes the Doom of Valyria causing the near extinction of dragons look like a joke,as George himself pointed out. Rhaenyra sending food baskets and posters about needing dragon riders into King's Landing and Larys and Aemond being blind not to see it. And the most recent blunder with Ulf flying over King's Landing only for Aemond to just now decide to chase him to Dragonstone when he could have done just that as soon as he dealt with Rhaenys and Meleys. And of course Rhaenyra deciding to let him go for some reason instead of jumping him in a 6 vs 1 massacre where Vermithor,Silverwing,Seasmoke,Syrax,Vermax and Moondancer could tear him and Vhagar to shreds. I haven't of course even talked about how Rhaenyra is made to be some do no wrong paragon of virtue,when she is just as flawed and unsuited to rulling in her own way. All in all,HoTD only tries the absolute bare minimum to coincide with the events that cannot be changed,but everything else around them is nonsensical fanfiction that completely ruins both immersion as well as enjoyment of the story. Ppl can say the book is the book and the show is the show all they like,but the one thing ppl dislike,especially true fans is being treated like they're dumb and like their opinions don't matter. Pretty bold thing to do not even 2 full seasons in when you've barely garnered a sliver of good will after the absolute garbage that the ending of GoT was.
How sad that the writers are not even qualified to ADAPT an already written book. Now remember that a lot of these core problems will butterfly effect and cause future plot holes
I agree with everything except the Aemond burning Aegon thing. When I read F&B it didn't seem like an accident to me. Doesn't Aemond also wearing the crown literally saying: "It suits me better than him"?
reading all this should haves from the latest episodes sounds like a child speaking giberish "ooh she should killed her on the spot ooh lets turn our brains off and just ATTACK" its so funny. to see this shit ass comment dables to politics and war so lightly is so funny to me. this pretty much sums up nowadays viewrs of this kind of shows, just shut it off man and watch She Hulk
y'all act like in times of war all of you will be all brave and bold and not incredibly cautious and resource conservatives like realistic people would be which is perfectly portrayed in this season lol. this is are realistic characters with realistic emotions, this aint some anime shit where everyone is magically emotionally hollow where they just go head on one dimensionally lelsz
S P O I L E R Can we also please talk about how Rhaenyra just herds a bunch of people in front of Vermithor in episode 7? Like, wtf? When rider comes to claim a dragon, it is an intimate ritual that only a couple of people attend to. Usually it is only a rider and a handful of Dragonkeepers to ensure that everything will go smoothly... You don't bring a crowd of people and tell the dragon: "Here, pick your favourite!"🤦
The moment I saw them standing there I thought "damn they're all gonna die except for the two characters meant to be accepted by the dragons". Like imagine these people are all bastard children cast aside or tossed like garbage and have experienced a shitty life in most cases. And this "call" was their only chance to get something in this life but only for a select few. The rest like before, got tossed or rather burned to a crisp or eaten by the dragon. I really felt sorry for them. All sacrificial pawns. I get that she didn't want to hurt them but still it was pretty fucked up.
To me that shows incompetence as a leader and honestly she seemed a bit unhinged throughout that entire thing yet as usual the show doesn't frame her actions as a bad thing
@@MrFredstt This showed she was an actual Targaryen. She now has two extra dragons to use in the war and 50 less royal bastards to worry about. How did the show not frame it as a bad thing? Did you see her gaze during this whole scene? She knew they'd almost all die.
Well, that's why the guys who would usually participate in the ritual walked out and told her she was messing everything up. She knew the entire time she was doing something kind of sacrilegious, but it had also never been attempted before. It wasn't without consequence, and we saw before why it's usually quite a small audience in the first place...
As good as the first season was, there were some clear signs that the writers tampering with the source material was going to create bigger problems going forward. The most egregious one being how they changed Team Green's impetus for seizing the throne. In the book (and even in the beginning of season 1), Alicent is motivated to seat Aegon on the throne to protect him and the rest of her children because she genuinely fears for their safety. Rhaenyra and Daemon kill Vaemond, Laenor (at least that's what everyone else thinks) and Lucerys took Aemond's eye without facing serious consequences. To Alicent, they were immune from any criticisms and would be willing to kill her children to solidify Rhaenyra's claim, which is an entirely understandable belief to hold in a medieval society where claimants regularly removed the competition to strengthen their own inheritance. Instead of keeping that compelling motivation, the writers decided to have Alicent misinterpret Viserys' death rattle and kept emphasising that as The Greens' main claim on the throne. It makes them look incompetent and foolish, destroys Alicent's character because she's no longer working to keep her children protected and ruined any sympathy the general audience may have towards them by not elaborating on their motivations. Sure, Otto still wanted to install his bloodline on the throne and the lords alligning with them wanted to uphold a patriarchial legal order, but affording that motivation to Alicent gives them a bit more nuance than 'scheming villains hoping to steal Rhaenyra's birthright because they're inherently evil,' which is the trope they're heavily leaning into.
This still doesn't work because it is not believable...because of the writing. On what planet does a best friend choose to believe her bestie would kill her children? Because Rhaenyra lied about bedding Daemon? Something that was none of Alicent's business to begin with? Has Rhaenyra shown any homicidal tendencies...like ever? Even with Aemond losing an eye, the writers had to invent an alternate situation in terms of how the fight started, there was no four versus one. In F&B, Baela and Rhaena are not involved. It's Aemond vs, Luke and Jace after he slapped a three year old Joffrey, making him fall into a pile of manuer. They changed this to make Aemond not look like the psychopath he is. This is like D&D rewriting Ramsay Bolton, instead of being born a sadistic nut, we would see Ramsay being taunted by Roose Bolton, personally his entire life. Threatening to flay him alive for no apparent reason. Roose's bullying made Ramsey who he is. Um, no sir. There is NO logical explanation for it. At all. All of the venomous animosity between her children and Rhaenyra's stem from HER side, not Rhaenyra's. She literally manufactured the hatred because she was bitter. She never truly feared Rhaenyra, she was angry that her former bestie was forced into an arranged marriage and still made the best out of her situation by having children with a man she actually liked and was physically attracted to. Had she truly feared her then she wouldn't have fucked with her after her marriage to Laenor. She and Criston Cole allowed Rhaenyra to live rent free in their heads while she isn't thinking anything about them. Once Rhaenyra becomes Queen there wouldn't be any major altercations if they didn't start anything. The truth is the fact that the Green's started it! No one can deny that. They usurped Rhaenyra and later Aemond kills her son. This is why we are here. .
They shouldn't have shown it at all. We didn't need to see the stuff that happened before AGOT 1 to get a background. We didn't need to see the Greyjoy Rebellion, Cersei giving birth, Roberts Rebellion, etc to get what's going on in the story. The writers are just mid
@@notsorry4735not true at all, YOU didn’t need it cause you read the books. You do need some backstory that game of thrones didn’t give to understand the show better
@@GiveonKing no, they pretty much dropped all of it during the show. Same for the books, we got basically all of it via dialogue. George didn't start AGOT with 20 chapters of the events leading up to it. We didn't have to take a history lesson before seeing any of it. We discovered more as time progressed.
Also just because the source material is a fictional history book, people have started to use it to defend literally anything. The standard response to any criticism about creative choices is "You dont know the book is written from the perspective of...." I know dude my goodness..we all read it several times.
@@naoimleschadExcept the book plot is neither clean nor coherent and certainly doesn't make much sense. GRRM certainly didn't put much thought into this book compared to his main 5 books. ..
That non-argument also completely misses the point of the Dance of the Dragons - nobody really knows who was good/bad or if anyone could really be called good/bad, we just know a struggle for power caused the entire continent to bleed. By making Rhaenyra the tragic virtuous hero and the Greens the shady usurpers, it flattens the moral dynamic and the core themes of the story.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 they can use all that argument they want, but can't excuse they made the characters so unexciting and boring. Then book might exaggerate some stuff but at least the characters are interesting, power hungry and each has their own agenda which makes sense in wartime. Now they dumb down the show lol
THANK YOU! finally someone stating this. Every other youtuber seem to be in love with this series, even the ones who hate on everything suddenly took a 180 turn with house of the dragon and I dont understan why, to me this series falls in the same category as rings of power or the acolyte, maybe slightly better.
Oh trust me, it’s nowhere near as bad as Wheel Of Time (TV series) or Rings Of Power. That’s not a high bar to jump, but they’ve definitely cleared it!!
I was enjoying the first season.......this one. started having problems......when they introduced blatant woke aspects......it genuinely broke the suspension of desbelief for me.......specially since i can't tell what is canon or not.
I reluctantly agree. I have liked a lot of the season, but sadly it's been a mixed bag. Some plot lines like Alicent's and Daemon's felt so aimless and repetitive.
Yes While that Alicent floating in the lake moment was beautiful and symbolic It wasn’t necessary We already knew by that point that she was consumed by her expected role at court and that she secretly (wink wink) longed to be free like that bird above her. I mean we didn’t need to have that as a way to move the story forward. It was a waste
I feel like they try to add so many scenes to "provide depth" to a character, but it honestly just makes watching the series boring. I don't need to see Alicent fucking Criston Cole ten times to know it's happening, I don't need Daemon tripping balls at Harrenhall for 7 episodes to know it's happening. It's the kind of scene that comes up and your first reaction is "christ, not this again". So much time and effort that could have gone towards other more plot-important scenes, or just filling out scenes that we were completely robbed of (like the Battle of the Burning Mill, which was the first head on conflict during the Dance, and was practically skipped over).
@@politecat9207 The agenda has been very clear from the start of the show : make the viewers feel sympathy for Rhaenyra and Alicent by painting them as mistreated women manipulated by power hungry men. They are completely pushing aside the fact that both are ultra privileged princesses fighting a selfish war of power on the backs of smallfolks...
@@politecat9207 Don't forget this show bringing royal foot fetishes to the silver screen, and the dirty, manipulative men who are turned on by feet. I didn't need that.
@@vee1766 Yep. The fact that all the bloodshed could have been averted had one of these ultra-privileged princesses/Queens - who repeatedly claimed they wanted to avoid war - just abandoned their (family's) perceived right to the Iron Throne. The writers are trying to make them look sympathetic, but instead they just seem inconsistent, selfish and poorly written.
There are stuff you didn't mention (Understandable because this was on YT before the season's finale aired) that can't be retconned. Changing Helaena's character from the book has had extreme impact on the plot, not just regarding her character ...
I like the show overall but my biggest problem is that this all feels like "black vs white", "good vs evil" etc. Game of thrones has always (or at least in my eyes) been about showing both side. Each and every character is shitty and good in their own way (of course there are some who are jut shit bags or an entire house but there's usually good context behind it) which makes them feel just a tad bit real. S1 did a good job in potraying both sides but this season I felt has leaned very heavily on Rhaneyras side being the good people, while there are some moments with other characters that show a more malicious side overall it feels very one sided. Also I don't care what anyone says about the kissing scene it feels very VERY out of place, I don't care about affairs or same gender sex scenes happening in GOT but I do want it to make sense or to be hinted at. That kiss had 0 build up and the conversation that was being had in the moment also didn't help. I don't know what the director was thinking leaving that in.
@@louyou6614 Lannisters was never showing us as incompetent foolish evil bad guys. Tywin still in top 3 of the best characters from the series. P.s. at the end i really hated Starks.
Wasnt there a time George Martin complained about "toxic fans" , who were upset about things like changing the authors vision making a different story that was not an improvement to the original or frequently ignoring internal logic ? They do it to him and suddenly he has an epiphany but doesnt acknowledge and apologize.
Yea he called LOTR fans toxic for not happily eating the Diarrhoea that was ROP simply because it had LOTR and Tolkiens name plastered on it. Did the same with Star wars fans for not eating disney Star wars Diarrhoea either. George wants everybody besides himself to tell his story. He neglects his book, green lights a spin off, withholds vital information about the story then complains when the show runners get that vital information wrong or neglect it. He could easily have told them that dragons wouldn’t fly around the eyrie alone. The reason why he didn’t is because he said that idea and the nature of dragons and targs will be fleshed out in later books, specifically Winds of winter. A book which was promised over 13 years ago, a book which seems more and more likely that he doesn’t intend to ever release at all if you go off of his most recent blog posts.
@@akeelyaqub2538 I dont believe he will ever finish Winds of Winter which he kept saying over the years would be done soon. Then he would have to complete ASOIaF with he says one other book but the way he keeps adding stuff that might be wrong too.
@@akeelyaqub2538 you are so right! it’s frustrating that Martin is mad that “Hollywood” is taking his stories and making it their own, he did the same thing with Beauty and the Beast (starring Linda Hamilton and Ron Perlman) did he not change the original story?! That’s very hypocritical of him. Also if he was really concerned then he should write the scripts himself. He could even put that as a condition in his contract. GOT season 1 episode 1 was written by him. Later on he became busy with other side projects when he won’t even sit down with the writers. He kept saying he just wants 4 seasons with 10 episodes each (that’s 40 hours) for one book! Lord of the Rings 3 books were 3 movies (2 hours and 58 mins film for Book 1 2 hours and 59 mins film for Book 2 3 hours and 21 mins film for Book 3) and all the time he wants 40 hours for his one book (Fire and Blood)!? OMG Martin really is too much!
@@estheraida5101 not only that but GOT season 1 actually had new scenes not from the books that improved the characters a lot more and added way more to them. George himself even said earlier scenes in earlier seasons made him wish he wrote them into the books. He also said the show did Osha better than he did, as well as Robb and Robert baratheon. So his comment about writers never being able to do better than the source material conflicts with his own statements about game of thrones and its characters.
@Krit101w The episode 8 leaked and it seems they are keeping the same ending with him(Helaena's vision), which means he will do "the thing" to Rhaenyra🤭
Well put. I would also argue the pacing, though improved compared to season one, truncates a lot of time that could be used to explore character alongside the progression of the plot, as opposed to glimpses.
And the dialogue is pointless Rhaenyra 3 scenes having the same answers "i can't do nothing, they stole my throne" Corlys with the brothers COULD BE CUT AND YOU MISS NOTHING because they never Talk about the family OR ANYTHING The dragonseeds in the first episodes are kinda pointless because they never show the personalities UNTIL NOW EPISODE 7 or SIX if you want we only meet them as info. In the episode 2 3
Yes, meaningful dialogue is very minimal in this season. Aemond has had like zero good dialogue scenes, his scene with Helaena in the throne room would’ve been a great exchange, but instead the writers opted for flare rather than substance.
I don't want to see actors or writers' ideology within fictional characters they didn't write. If you want to explore "girl power" and give 21th century message, do it with your own characters. I want to see that Rhaenyra in the books with her real flaws. Otherwise I would watch other garbage shows that explore "girl power." Thanks. Edit: The thing is and I hate the most, just like the creator said, the writers are just filling in the gaps in the book. So matter how irrelevant their choices are, they can always find some stupid Mushroom quote and justify them.
I can sort of understand your point but didn’t Rhaenera end up doing stuff with beala in the book while in the show they made that relationship more motherly which would have made any sexual act really weird. Also I feel it could pay off, for all we know mysera is manipulating rheanera to eventually betray her like in the book. The biggest change is that of the bastards getting dragons which could affect a lot and is very different to what george wrote so we will see how that turns out. Also it shows rheanera still has flaws, she is uncaring of her responsibility to maintain the social norms of the people, she acts irrationally and doesn’t consider the consequences of her actions.
That moment could make sense, as long as its what it is a "moment" its not really a "girl power" thing when you have a tender moment with someone it could jump into a kiss(as long as there is attraction) if they make it a "plotline in the show then yes its forced but a kiss is not a "oh no its woke!" Thing
@@amoscollin1751 To answer your question no Rhaenyra had no sexual relationship with another female in the book. At this point it is pointed out the princess had a desire for sweets and cakes more than physical urges apparently
My issue is not that Season 2 was a filler season, but they did not even do that right. Lack of character development, repetitive scenes and really being overt in pushing themes that an intelligent audience should be able to decide the merit of on their own volition. They need to be held accountable, with such a short run time there was no time to drag out some of these arcs. The war is about to begin and there is literally no reason anyone would be rooting for the Greens.
Worst thing is the portrayal of a super slim Rhaenyra. She is a mother of six and you can't tell it from her appearance. It seems that even when they're casting blacks left and right, there's still lot of reluctancy to caste a 'fat' actor in the lead role.
Has it not occurred to GRRM that screenwriters may have learned their attitude from his own ridiculous, lazy + frivolous failure to finish the project that *MADE HIS FORTUNE ?!!* If he wants them to respect "integrity", he shouldn’t have covered for Benioff & Weiss right up to *(AND INCLUDING!! 🤬😡)* Season 8. Those who *WANT* respect, *GIVE* respect!!
Don’t get me wrong I truly enjoy this show, and I have no problem with the Greens being the “the villains” of the story. But this adaptation is not favorable of the Greens. I feel like it at times they go out of their way to demonize them. What made the Dance so interesting and tragic. Both sides were fucked up and both have legitimate and faulty reasons for starting a civil war that kicked started the collapse of their dynasty. But this isn’t a balanced adaptation at all, like I said. I still find it highly enjoyable and entertaining, but it’s definitely not equal with the character portrayals. They have simplified, whitewashed and water down so many characters, particularly Rhaenyra and her fraction to the “the good guys” The Greens are the evil, unredeemable villains, who deserve no empathy or humane moments.
The books themselves were written by Maesters who were Team Green and pro Hightower. George himself said the accounts of the book are unreliable it doesn't take much to figure out the Maesters would water down and whitewash team Green and demonise the opposing side Team Black
That moment of Rhaenys bursting through the floor started the signal of this show's downfall. Before that, it was solid. That's why I can fully agree when people say season 1 was so good. The first half was really good. The later parts, especially the last two episodes were mixed.
The reason storytelling in television has deteriorated so much is that shows like this exist increasingly to serve as vessels of social engineering and less as a medium for authentic storytelling.
There are many problems with hotd, but inconsistent characterization is what i find the most irritating. (Alicent and Aemond are suffering the worst from it, in my opinion). Also, the whole show revolves around the same 3 characters even when they have nothing to do, while others who are much more interesting to explore are cast aside, getting minimal screen time and their storylines are underdeveloped. Even the general audience can tell that s2 is bad and a massive downgrade from the first season. The slower pacing is not the problem, but the poor execution of everything that happens between the major plot points.
They should've learnt from Boardwalk Empire that this can kill the hype for a show. I agree that we needed more to focus more on other characters who are going to be pivotal in the upcoming war. We need to care for these characters otherwise the war has no impact imo. Need to see more of Westeros and the other houses too.
A large proportion of the source texts for the modern franchises were written during a time where writing extended letters by hand was a nearly universally cultivated skill. Modern screenwriters when not writing for a job, use their skills with the English language as do most of us, for texts, emails and twitter posts. You can't fully train for combat with a wooden sword.
I've said this at the end of S1 and I'm saying it again after S2; "Maybe Dumb and Dumber were not so bad after all🗣️🔊" No one is touching GoT Seasons 1 to 4.
From my understanding, Miguel is the reason for Sara Hess adding that scene, he wanted something more shocking. I can’t find the article but he also made a comment that made me think him leaving was best for the show. I think the reason for a lot of displeasure for season 2 was the writer strike, they could film but not make changes to the script.
Its an adaptation, but that should not be used as excuse to go off the rails. This is fair criticism but at least the product still of acceptable quality. Unlike most crap out there nowadays
is it acceptable quality? In the first episode of season 2, the mother has to show the assassins which of her children is a boy, and which a girl. Im instantly kicked out of immersion. Just put your hands in one of the kids pants and see if theres a pepe or not... Why bother with that whole 'is she saying the truth?' thing when you can be certain in much less time. Time is rather of the essence when you had sneaked into the queens chambers. It was far from epic, it was just absurd, and it wasnt the last time, there is just more and more of it. This show makes me feel like im watching the walking dead all over again, and that was so terrible ive given up during the 4th season. Im not gonna watch the next season. Imo house of the dragon is much worse than the final season of GoT.
People must have found GoT season 7 acceptable too and I bet they would have said same about season 8 if Jon Snow killed Night King and eventually sat the throne.. even if rest of the season was just as horrundous.
Someone on here said that HOTD has removed all moral ambiguity and it's so true. GOT was fantastic cause most of its characters were complex and weren't just "good and bad" guys. You could empathize or sympathize with anyone from every side. HOTD is so simplistic in its characterizations. Pretty much everyone says what they're thinking and acts as they feel. There's no tension or intrigue in this show. It's not a bad show, but it's definitely a dumbed down version of GOT
I’m extremely bored with season 2. Not enough action, too much talking, Daemon’s lack of progress (just sitting in a castle for like 5 episodes having bad dreams), the cgi of the dragons is not as good as game of thrones, and it feels like I’m watching a fantasy show produced by PBS. I can’t believe I’m saying this but I’m looking forward to season 2 of rings of power lol.
@@synthamvs7624 totally agree. The writing isn’t that good for all the talking. And before being able to ride a dragon was for one specific group of people who had the blood to ride them. Even the Dragons are DEI now. It’s so laughable.
agreed. and even with the short time we had this season we should've been getting more development for the other key actors in the upcoming war. some of the episodes were very repetitive in their content meanwhile certain characters hardly had any screen time. very baffling decisions all round
You summed it up: this season (and last season to maybe a lesser extent) has just felt all over the place. They’re trying to do so much, and yet they’ve gone nowhere.
When I read a couple years ago that the producers stated they don't want to see "a bunch of white people" and thus race swapped the Velaryons, I called it a day.
The whole "writers...eager to take the story and improve and improve on it" makes my blood boil. It doesn't matter how many times this is proven wrong, writers' and producers' hubris never seems to let up. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of fans fall in love with a story - then here come the egos thinking they know better than, not just the fans, but better than the author's. It makes me want to do a Meleys Dragon roar right in their faces.
Emma D'Arcy is a leftist and she wanted to put leftist politics in the show. That's why it felt out of place, where Laenor being gay felt more well written.
That scene is so problematic lol even if some people see it as "beautiful" like a sensual kiss is supposed to be non-sexual because "people want intimacy". Newsflash: you can show intimacy WITHOUT being sexual, I know it is hard to believe for any pornbrainers out there.
Upon thinking this further Rhaenyra being insensitive about personal spaces of someone who just bared their trauma as an entitled narcissistic nepobaby kinda fits her tbh
The irony is that most of those people also criticize porn, even though all they do themselves is ship characters they want to have sex with each other, and then fantasize about that. Makes you wonder who's the real "deviant" 😂
In season 1, Daemon says that there are 3 wild dragons on Dragonstone and then the writers took one of those dragons and put him in the Vale. It also seems, that they really killed off Sunfyre when Joffrey tells Margaery in GoT, that "Aegon fed his sister to his dragon down there in the dungeons" (it should have been on Dragonstone). These writers don't even proofread their own work and don't care about the inconsistencies and plot holes they create...just like in GoT season 8.
The writers thought keeping Daemon in Harrenhall all Season 2 is a great way to bring back some of the first season characters. A cameo appearance. The female writer said she thought “let’s just put a black goat in for fun” that Daemon sees in Harrenhall. That kind of thinking really doesn’t lend anything to the story imo. Thanks for the video. I really enjoyed your take on the series.
I mean in the book Daemon is literally doing nothing. There’s nothing written about him, very few mentions besides, he’s in Harrenhal. That’s it. There’s nothing else he’s doing. At least we get to see him dealing with the Riverlords and the curse at Harrenhal in the show, as opposed to not having him in it at all until the battle at God’s Eye. They actually are following fire and blood fairly closely. Biggest difference would be sheepstealer and Rhaenys at the coronation.
I've had this complaint since the 1st Season with HOTD! Way too many "Fluff Scenes" to infill empty vessels of visual time! The BIGGEST mistake Mr. Martin is doing is not finishing his Books, and allowing the writers to veer too far off topic of what has been written.
@anndiestephen7671 that is indeed true - which I guess makes more of an awkwardness when it comes to these "Fluff Scenes" pertaining to HOD because we, as the viewers (who've read the books) look at this acting, and are then left scratching our heads asking why did they enact that? It's just weird when the Book storyline doesn't remotely align with what is portrayed in screen...
I will tell you what happened: Emma as a nonbinary person was obsessed with introducing her queerness int the show. She was looking for circumstances to ¨improvise¨ something like that. Then when they were shooting the scene where the topic was about how a father raped his daughter, get her pregnant, and then almost killed her to cover up his wrong doing, and Emma was like: ¨O well fuck the context of the scene. I will act as a self serving narcisist to put my personal politics into the scene.¨ I don't even blame Emma. I blame the person who was like: ¨Well it doesn't make sense looking into the context of the scene, but fuck it lets just leave it like that...¨
You absolutely nailed it! I love it because im a fan but the writing is all over the place. Woke had got to it. Martins favourite character, has spent a whole series tripping balls doing nothing.
IMO a lot of recent TV consists of 90% unnecessary dialogue between random characters and just a little bit of action sprinkled throughout so that the show is actually about something. Like there are multiple episodes of this show consisting mostly of people talking about how bad the war will be and how it can be prevented. Just show us the horror of war and let that speak for itself, I want some action ffs.
I don’t feel bad for George. The seed was planted back when he praised the race swap of the Valarions. That alone has made the plot fall flat. Because the Valarions don’t look like they belong with the Targs. It has the effect of making the Strong bastards look less out of place by comparison. If they casted it as per the canon and you had this gathering of the families where silver hair and pale skin and eyes and sharp features are everywhere in evidence, except on the 3 strong boys, the impact of Rhenyra’s actions, her infamy, would be so clear and we’d understand better just how scandalous the situation is. Instead, it all turns on their hair colour? That may be enough with 2 monoracial people, but That’s not enough for interracial union when the Valarions are so obviously wearing bad wigs and Daemon’s daughters look nothing like him and Baela also has common features with no hint of her white as snow father, or her biracial mother. Worsened by the utter lack of chemistry between Damon and the alleged daughters. It makes the story feels unreal, the society feels unreal, the stakes feel unreal. The entire game of thrones started because of a woman’s incest and adultery bore 3 children to a king who looked nothing like him or any of his ancestors in similar pairings. The race swap was a major ball fumble, and I can’t see how George could not have known that. I think rather, that he knew and feared to speak truthfully. Pandering. I’d feel bad for George if he’d been honest then, but now? The dye is cast, finish your books since you’ve received every sign that the story you’re trying to tell is too backwards for modern screen writers and audiences.
So that awkard makeout session that came out of nowhere was only because Emma D'Arcy wanted an excuse to kiss Sonoya Mizuno? "Hey, wouldn't be _crazy_ if these characters, like, _kissed_ or whatever? Haha, that'd be so _crazy,_ right? We should try it, cuz, like, you know, _whatever,_ right? Let's just get _crazy_ and make _acting_ happen, you know? Haha this is sooo _crazy_ and spontaneous, I didn't expect this _at all,_ haha!"
i dont think so, i personally never saw rhaenyra as straight and felt she had a weird crush on alicent from the very beginning (and this was with milly alcock)
They say "a camel is a horse designed by a committee," and that is how HOTD is beginning to feel. Inconsistent, directionless, "cool" for "cool" sake power fantasy. American elder-millennial writers who grew up on a consistent diet of corny Marvel movies pitching to American TV executives who want corny Marvel profits.
The kissing scene didnt bother me, but it did feel thrown in for its own sake. Making stuff up on the fly is a big part of what tanked GOT. "We kind of forgot about that" etc. There is so much detail in these worlds that the scripts should be handled delicately. Letting actors improv and make story decisions because "it felt right" or adding random symbolism without any thought-through significance (the goat), leads to a breakdown in logic, weakening the immersion for the viewer. In modern Hollywood I can picture a director agreeing to this suggestion by Emma Darcy, not wanting to seem bigoted. No issue at all with a gay love narrative, but a cast member improvising plot points is worrying. Is that storyline going to go somewhere? Has that been written? If not, kind of a pointless thing to end an episode on.
Appreciate your take on this. I’m worried of changes, completely blah with Daemond in Harren Hall. Lord Tully pushed Darmond this week and I did enjoy that. The game
Some of the changes from the book are well done and do improve. But some are not that good. And he is right about cannon. And that can be used for many things these days.
Include the tons of people commenting what could be done better, how they would write better, what they would change etc XDD Commenters are criticizing literally everything, claiming it should be done differently.
Hmmm, the show is about the dance tho, fire and blood is 150 years of timeline, i think starting a bit earlier would have been better but still, doing it all from the start would be a hard task
I'm reading the books at the moment and it's funny how the best TV in history the writers just copied the books word for word until they ran out of material...
I really tried to watch it but this show is half people sitting in a meeting the other hafl is mothers mothering. My questions is who actually cares. We all saw the deaths coming a mile away. The dragons are disappointing lets be honest. Maybe 2 are alright and we already know wich ones. But we have queer characters now 😊😊 even if we already had that in GOT and the quality now is sht. Cant even ve mad, our collective punishment is not getting GOOD shows but garbage like this that is okay at best on a good day. Hf watching moms complain, sneak into a castle that apparently ist guarded, predicting deaths of kids nobody actually cares about( just their dragons). Waaayyy better then all the lore in the universe. No lets focus on queers queering.
My gut tells me these people that get these jobs are not the cream of the crop, and are likey the nieces and nephews of the producers. Nepotism in corporate endeavors is what keeps progress back.
Honestly I thought the kiss improv was fine. I was slightly surprised when it happened but it totally makes sense emotionally and thematically for both characters. I think the actress knows her character well from the interviews I’ve seen with her. Also, in life sometimes people kiss in emotionally charged moments, and sometimes something comes from it and sometimes it just doesn’t lead to any thing 🤷. I think it’s a great scene capturing the essence of game of thrones as quoted by Martin, “the human heart in conflict with itself.”
Can we also talk about how they completely obfuscated the fact that Helaena should be sinking into madness with grief? They made the killing of her child a comedy scene like the burglars from Home Alone, and topped it off with Alicent screwing around….
Right, doesn’t Helaena basically go insane in the book?
@@conniptions1533 Exactly, it’s one of the reasons she doesn’t fight on Dreamfyre in the defense of the Greens. And ends throwing herself out the window to her death
Also let’s not forget that she has barely any scenes, when in the books you can easily empathize with her character because they show you how much pain she’s going through due to her child’s death.
@@nicksmith128thanks for the spoiler dude good job
@@lpnp9477The show sucks, spoilers will make no difference at this point. Here’s another spoiler the next season will probably be worse than this one.
Rhaenyra sneaking into KL to have a chat with alicent, and now in Ep8 Alicent doing the same thing… what are these writers smoking. It made no sense.
Right. It seems super easy to just get into each others bedrooms. It’s like a cartoon
It was soo tasteless I wouldn’t write that or think of it even if I was 10 years old
@ericd1022 it makes complete sense if you're a modern feminist. Try to view it that way
Aemond ordered that every boat that leaves the harbour be inspected as well. Theres no way word of the queen or somone with her likeness being at the harbour WOULDNT reach aemond
@@lukeswa.nlet's face it, Condal aka Dumb and Dumber 2.0 and his idiot writers don't have the brainpower to think that far.
Adam claiming Seasmoke is sacrificing so much of what makes him a great character. In the books, Alyn is the one who tries first to get Seasmoke and almost gets killed. He gets a nasty burn from the experience but Adam intervenes to save him, risking his life. Through his bravery, as he saves his brother, he is acknowledged by Seasmoke, and bravery will be a recurring trait for Adam along with his loyalty.
On Alyn's side, he never holds it against his brother that he was chosen instead of him. He overcomes his wounds and dedicates himself entirely to sailing, carving his own path even if he shall never be a dragonrider. The story of the two is beautiful, especially for a pair of commoners/bastards.
Like why couldn’t we have had this!!! Budget sounds reasonable AND it gives more backstory to two new characters that people would love. Like the books spell out shit for these people and they say fuck it. Instead let’s fuck around with Daemon and Rhaenyra doing nothing all season.
@@edd4131 That's not even the worse case here. I invite you to look into someone named Nettles.
@@thibautisserant Rhaena>Nettles
@rajyavardhansingh4491 Nettles>Rhaena
@@thibautisserant Oh, our poor smart and patient girl. Her story of claiming the dragon was so inspiring in the books. In the show we get a girl running to the dangerous creature and hoping for the best.
What's wild about the kiss scene between Rhaenyra and Mysaria is that Mysaria JUST got through talking about how her father raped and impregnated her as a child, cut out the baby and left her for dead... Like.. in what world would someone want to do anything sexual immediately after telling someone about their childhood sexual abuse??????
made me wanna throw up
Exactly. Sadly, friendships are no longer enough in Hollywood. Every relationship has to have sexual undertones especially if it is queer.
look a puriten talking about how its not sanitary enough.
You obv have never been to a goth club😂
Apparently it got the actresses going, since it made them want to spontaneously make out
Most writers now write like fanfictions
I think that’s an insult to most fanfics at this point. Most fanfics are usually the first effort by the person writing it and aren’t actually professionals who are paid by large corporations. Hell, even then some fanfics can be so bad they’re good or at least entertainingly crazy with what the fan thinks.
@@williamfrank962 true. There's a lot of fanfic that is much better than the original.
I guess, the most apt is that most writers are unexperienced on how to write and needs more training which the studio fails to give
@@arrielradja5522 honestly, in my opinion it’s a mixture of inexperience, politics (unfortunately), and studio meddling.
The first I think like you said that many writers are hired on don’t have much experience when it comes to game shows and movies. I mean try to compare movies that were considered mediocre 15 years ago and can bet if it were made today with modern cgi and budgets it would probably be hailed as a great movie due to the movies we usually get today. Rhaynera visiting alicent in the sept where they used to converse all those years ago to try to appeal to peace sounds good on paper: it’s a last desperate attempt between former friends to stop war, its a callback to previous scenes, it emphasizes the importance of role of religion of alicent and is a last farewell to the two before bloodshed. However, logistically it doesn’t make sense. Rhaynera wouldn’t be able to really enter the capital and even if she did she’d be taken away in a realistic sense to end the war before it continues, the blacks would panic as their queen would be gone for at least a couple days as it takes distance to travel, there’s no way the greens wouldn’t have people telling them that they saw her dragon as everyone is watching the sky presumably after cristen Cole’s chase into the Forrest and the battle with sun fyre and Vhagar and finally it what can alicent do? She has no real power in the game besides being aegons mother who don’t listen to here anymore all she’s doing in my eyes making alicent have a guilt trip over her choice of actions.
Second and while I don’t mean to get political I know from actual experience within the entertainment industry that politics and identity politics are being deliberately pushed and are a focus point during meetings. House of the dragon proves this with the characterization of the two female leads and the male ones (aegon, aemond and Daemon). The book paints them all as multifaceted characters who come off as very grey all around both the greens and the black have just as much reason for you to hate them as much as support them. The show especially in season two makes it clear who you are meant to route for (blacks) and who are the villains (greens). With many deliberate evil actions by the blacks ether being accidents or outright ignored.
The issue is that in today’s age some studio heads won’t allow certain minorities or a gender to be outright villains and also won’t allow them to be portrayed in certain ways. It’s why Maeve from the boys wasn’t killed, it’s why Rhaynera can’t be overtly villainous. I understand the thought process somewhat (you don’t want to be punching down) but the issue is that it takes away from the nuances of conflict that was done well in the book. I also think this series wants Rhaynera to be the new Danny which can’t work as (before her turn) Danny was far more morally righteous and caring towards the people and characters than Rhaynera ever was but to counter this they are deliberately trying to alter her character to be more like Danny. Daemon also has been nurtured compared to his counterpart along with aegon and aemond relationship. He’s far more weak in terms of self confidence, determination and personality, I think this was done because Daemon can be seen as a toxic masculine figure that people would rally behind. I also think they deliberately gutted the relationship between aemond and aegon. In the books I believe aemond is actually the smaller of the two and while the aegon still bullies aemond I believe the two actually form a strong bond. Aegon gives aemond a feast after liking Luke and aemond (at least described) is horrified by what was done to his children and goes into a rage and it would’ve been a nice change to see a power hungry character actually not go behind his brothers back to take the throne because he just genuinely cares for him, I think it was done to create tension but at the same time they are also two “toxic” characters and showing a genuine friendship between male characters that isn’t just “bro this and that” is harder to find. But I do think I’m looking to far with that one.
Finally it’s clear that the studio has made this series slog because they need to ether make sure the budget is enough for later and it’s safe enough for producers to invest in. This is becoming more of an issue with tv shows, movies and games demanding higher and higher budgets due to production costs. It’s just a part of life and just how entertainment is currently and it’s not a blame game but you can tell they are stalling because of some budgetary reasons and stretching it out for them to get their money’s worth and more.
I agree! This season felt like a whole poorly written fanfiction.
As a fanfiction writer I myself, I write for me and if other people like what I make then good but thats not my priority. These show writers are writing for millions of people who are getting paid a professional's wage.
After seeing the finale I'm 100% spot on. They totally dropped the ball on season 2 regardless of how well season 1 went.
Just like another certain show
S1 was not good either 😂
Not totally. Both seasons were a mixed bag with some great additions to the book content but some glaring flaws. Still good imo
Season 1 was good at best. It definitely had stupid moments even for the most casual viewer's eyes.
It so odd, because after watching Season 1 I was like - "Great! Seems they have learned a bunch of valuable lessons from GoT" and then S2 HOTD is honestly among the worse seasons in GoT and HotD combined. What a letdown :(
HBO really should just give George RR Martin veto power over any major script deviations from the source material.
George RR Martin really should just finish the god damn books😅
That's such a naive thought. Why would HBO give him creative authority when it is most likely them who push for these additions to the scenes?
If they did that it would take about 5 years to write one episode.
They will never do it
George RR Martin sold the rights to his world years ago lol The idea of him having veto power over anything is laughable, hence the salty blog posts
why are writers egos so fucking big that they cannot leave the source material alone
Their egos are big, their talent is anything but big. It's the nepotistic and cronyism of tv and movie land that's destroyed the chances of people with talent getting a foot in the door.
TV writers, let's be precise.
because you keep consuming this sh*t.
The first 2 seasons of House of the Dragon are based on like 100 pages total. There just isn’t enough source material for an adaptation not to add more. Also, a big theme of Fire and Blood is that the histories ARE NOT RELIABLE
@@lardplowsmen2891 i understand adding for example, alicent and rhaenyras relationship, the book wouldn’t obviously have that, or viserys being such a good character, but omitting some of them or just blatantly doing weird shit
These days, it seems like most stories can't show two characters opening up to each other without implying or leading to a sexual encounter. It's as if genuine emotional connection is always tied to physical intimacy.
yeah, its completly nuts. Daemon thinking about his mum? Sex scene.... WTF is goung on in this fucked up world?
@@TheRealDionysos i wonder, if it might be related to the fact, people across the world, but especially in developped countries, have less and less sex, especially the younger generations. People loosing their touch with sex in real life, they want to compensate with the screen...
@@bretonneux3389 I think porn addiction has a place in this matter. A TV Show is kinda like a tiktok/short/reel attention seeking and kinks are getting crazier because of the porn addiction. So they put sex where it doesnt belong just to get some attention.
Thank you. So many strong, platonic relationships are ruined by writers thinking it has to lead to romance
@@anonymousanonym450until you stop being anonymous im a few years, you will stop
I'd call it fanfiction, but that would imply the writers are fans.
Unfortunately, this video did NOT age like milk.
Yeah, especially after the writers doubled down and repeated the same mistake, this time with Alicent sneaking out of King's Landing to see Rhaenyra! What the heck are these writers doing, have they even read the book? These characters are no longer supposed to be friends, and these scenes make both of them look like complete idiots.
@Rocket1377 Even more batshit insane is the fact Alicent literally gives up BOTH of her sons to be murdered . . . I knew something was wrong when they made Halaena just casually give up her baby boy to be brutally murdered without a moments hesitation, punctuated by the insane lack of emotion/fear or even real care as her son was literally beheaded 5ft away from her . . . . . . . . . That's so ****ing crazy to me it's actually mind boggling, these writers (specifically the woman involved in this show) are THAT detached from reality and mentally unhinged from their warped beliefs and views of society.
@@Rocket1377 the book itself is vague and literally written from the perspective of a maester after the fact. I feel like that argument never holds water.
@@Intreductorwhat argument, that rhaenyra and Alicent aren’t friends?
Wait a couple years not a couple weeks
Unbelievable that they didn't learn from what happened with GoT
Tbf, the problem with GoT wasn't so much show writers deviating from the source material because of their ego (they did some of that, but the show could survive it.); main problem there was show writers just plain running out of source material (because GRRM never finished the last two books) and having to continue on their own, with only a couple general tips from GRRM as to what ought to happen.
@@SirContowhich is why it’s even more frustrating. At least D&D did AMAZING work with seasons 1-4 when they had material. When it ran out, fine, it sucked. But these writers have it all. They chose to bastardize it. They chose to ruin it. And they chose to insert personal agendas into a fantasy story.
Even got s8 is better this s2 shit
@@SirConto "main problem there was show writers just plain running out of source material"
This is completely and utterly false and I wish people stopped saying this. You probably haven't even read the books.
In season 5 they WERE still adapting books, 4 and 5, and they changed almost EVERYTHING. Dorne, Stannis, Sansa's arc, Aegon left out, Mance, Stoneheart, on and on it goes. They deviated from the source material to an absurd degree, and that was exactly the moment the show dropped off a cliff. It wouldn't have mattered if George had written the final books, because the writers ALREADY had completely abandoned them.
@@AegonTheUnlikely D&D did have all the source material for season 5 too, and they completely changed it and replaced it with storylines of their own, all of which were terrible.
The most annoying lack of a chekhov's gun is Rhaenyra not killing Laenor just for him to die off screen. Her not killing him didn’t change anything: the Velaryrons still hate Rhaenyra and Seasmoke was still claimed. It just felt like the writers wanted to keep her image squeaky clean so the viewers knew how to root for
I honestly believe that daemon paid qarl correy to slay him at that fair at spicetown in front of eye witnesses and didn’t corlys go and receive his sons corpse
@@Aegon-Targaryen29AC that’s some interesting head canon
@@brainboyben going from what mushroom said but i know he ain’t reliable theres a few ways in fire and blood they say it could of happened and headcannon ?
@@brainboyben I didn’t guess that bro 😂
Or imagine it it’s in fire and blood I’m agreeing with you 😂
I sincerely hope I am wrong, but I think they will cut most of the bad things Rhaynera did (as they already did with Laenor, etc.) and make her end just anti-climatic. Also, they completely ruined Daemon this season. They could easily pack all of his dreams in two or three episodes, and that would be enough. Also, I don't know why, but my gut is telling me the show producers are going to fuck up the battle of God's eye. It feels like this show will go downhill even though it has a brilliant season one IMO.
@@thisisboxingproductions6894 the writing already went downhill back in S1 starting with the lame "Aegon's dream" like Aegon the Conqueror saw the white walkers but didn't see what Visenya and Maegor did (dude saw he had advantage that's all), and then in Ep8 how they made Alicent accept Rhaenyra as the future queen after all she did with Daemon, like the "Laenor" thing and the Vaemond thing just 2 hours ago, wtf was that about? does a regent queen like Alicent really needs to misunderstand Viserys to chose her son over Rhaenyra after all she saw and knows about the Blacks? As if Rhaenyra didn't also fight for her non-Velaryon son to take Driftmark, it was a very biased and lazy writing and framing and it's very very early for this, D&D showed more fairness to Stannis than Condal ever did with this story and characters
I would have honestly loved Rhaenyra if she was grey and told Daemon to order Leanor's death for real in Ep7 it would have shown her to be aware of what's waiting for her Strong boys in the far future so she decides to eliminate the "alcoholic absent father" to have a trueborn sons with unquestionable parentage, because in her defense Laenor was a burden and it can just be her and Daemon's secret to take for the grave, how is Rhea Royce's death is more acceptable than Leanor's? Laenor is a bigger burden for Rhaenyra than Rhea Royce ever was for Daemon, instead of that we got a very delusional Rhaenyra that thinks she's in the year 2024 in some western country
@@4549uef I agree with most of this but expand on the strong boys / leanor / trueborn relationship ... Woldnt this mean Rheanyra has subconscious and potentially negative outlook of her bastards
@@guwopzyyes that's the point, Rhaenyra having consciousness on the Strong boys gives her character awareness, did she really think that a Strong boy will forever be secured on the throne with her brothers and younger sons in the picture? Come on, even by removing the Greens there's still a problem
This doesn't mean that she has a negative outlook on them, it means that she wants what's best for everyone, because I can't see any alternative outcome where Jace become King and Daemon's sons just play loyal (Daemon Blackfyre rebelled for less) but Rhaenyra being so delusional about Jace's lineage and future is so bad for her character's intelligence, I think awareRhae is more interesting and entertaining to watch, she would have made a tough decision as a parent but understandably right one
@@4549uef 👌👌 I get you. Even in the most recent episode right after Jace lashed out in my head the conversation and her reaction seemed off, from a writing standpoint.
Yeah I'm with you.
I'm less hopeful and definitely tipping into afraid now of just how much they will bend this beautiful story over the barrel, and just have there way with it.
After the leaks I truly believe he was talking about house of the dragon
He was, we got played again by the writers
@Krit101wu don't want to know.
@Krit101w It can
@Krit101w Alicent goes to Dragonstone and tells Rhaenyra to take Kings Landing, effectively betraying her family and all her children for some reason no one knows. As well as continuing the terrible plot of people sneaking back and forth between Dragonstone and Kingslanding
Daemon prostrates himself to Rhaenyra after having a vision of Daenerys, and he tells her “winter is coming, you are muh qween” mega cringe
Helaena blatantly spoils what will happen to Aemond, like she literally says what his fate will be and where. No subtly and literary foreshadowing in the delivery, awful writing. “You will die at the God’s eye and Aegon will be king again”. The writers have no idea how to do basic foreshadowing to create buildup.
Aemond cries like a b*tch after Helaena refuses to fight, confirming that Helaena is the most useless character in the show and only acts as a plot device to foretell future events. Apparently her only personality is autism.
@@synthamvs7624lmao you are so spot on it’s incredible 😂
Thank goodness for pointing this out I know so many fans will say the book is not historically accurate but the problem is that doesn’t mean u can do whatever u want.
How, pray tell, can a book about a FICTIONAL UNIVERSE be "historically accurate?"
@@TonyB2279 Follow the source material, like actually read the book. It isn't this complicated...
None of the changes are egregious or reckless.
@@thenickfoxx There was 2 examples given in this video of dumb changes that weren't even made by the script but by people who thought to improvise them in the moment with no regard to even the changed story they made, that's about as reckless as it gets.
@@thenickfoxx 2 episodes less this season, and I can count wasted minutes of showtime with useless filler that could have been used for material IN THE BOOKS…that’s financially reckless on the part of the showrunners and the writers
The problem is that they cram too much "modern day ideals" into what is supposed to be a gritty medieval fantasy show.
They did the same for Netflix's The Witcher, especially season 3. They did it so much that it didn't feel like I was watching a medieval fantasy show, it felt like I was watching a bunch modern day New Yorkers playing a game of LARP.
I think that they’re afraid of looking bad or not progressive if they don’t cram in that crap. It’s almost out of fear rather than a desire to spice up the story.
MODERN? there is so much gay people in medieval times in whore houses whos done more freaky shit than we do in this modern times, what they showed with Rhaenyra is very fucking weak for there times for boomers like you to handle
Ironically, it's _you_ that has it twisted when you say something like "what is supposed to be a gritty medieval fantasy" -- This place isn't even in our solar system, much less whatever definition of "medieval" you think it should be mimicking. This isn't history, it's entirely supernatural fiction. It can be structured in accordance to whatever ideals its creator(s) want it to be, and it has absolutely zero obligation to adhere to whatever corny lane you think is better. There's literally a billion other "gritty medieval fantasy" stories out there, go immerse yourself in one of them if that's what you want. There's literally no shortage of them.
@@Trepanation21 Well, you said, "whatever ideals its creator wants it to be." The creator is George R.R. Martin, and they're not using his ideals in the show.
@@Trepanation21Have you even read asoiaf?
Can’t wait for the battle over the gods eye to be a 1 minute scene that immediately time jumps to rhaenyra learning about it and then instantly moving on with the plot
Something I’ve been hating about this season is the two factions addressing each other as the “greens” and the “blacks”. In the books (as far as I can remember), they never did that… it was more like how people in the court would secretly refer to them. I’m starting to think that some lazy writing appears to be more evident in the show… overall
I have to admit I’ve been enjoying the show so far
Yeah this is definitely a insignificant nitpick, especially compared to the more better criticisms.
If an entire kingdom calls their leaders greens or blacks there's a good chance the leaders have heard the names they have for them
That pissed me off too
Like who would do that
It’s something I would think would actually only occur after a time in the historical record
"In the book" aren't you tired of this?This is season 2 and I am sure you watched sea 1 already.The show has been adapted from the book for TV and their are writers especially hired for that reason.So obviously there will be some changes.
@@binayshrestha7132 Why are you complaining about people commenting and comparing the series with the book if the original video IS about that? What did you expect?
I’m afraid that after what we saw in the recent leaks from the s2 finale, this video will age like a fine wine….
What I also find problematic besides changes that directly conflict with the lore and the world of Martin’s books, are possible timeline changes, taking important events from the dance and rearranging their order.
Also the show writers obsession with game of thrones and it’s (disastrous) last season should end. The book was written to expand the lore and explain to the reader how and why Targaryen’s dragons became extinct, and not specifically as a prequel to GoT. The writers should treat HotD like an unconnected story in the same universe rather than try to tie the two together by all means possible (and for whatever reason, like why even do that??).
I saw the leaks too and was absolutely cringing at Daemon turning into Jon Snow 2.0 with the “you are muh qween” ish and the song of ice and fire crap.
It’s almost like the writers don’t know that people hated the last seasons of the show. Out of touch with their audience.
@@synthamvs7624 And now we know the leaks are true... We're cooked.
grrm is truly cursed. Even when he has a finished clear cut book in place, incompetent people gravitate towards him like toilet paper to the butt. It’s so bad that it made me miss d&d’s earlier work on got when they actually followed the book to a T. I genuinely hope they hire good screenwriters for s3 bc this show has too much potential.
Sadly this video aint aging like milk but as the finest scotch.
So, you saw the finale leaks too huh?
I came here after seeing the ep.. felt like some star wars sequels fall off oh my god
Unfortunately the average casual viewer doesn't care about any of the stuff you mentioned so they will eat this up.
Like fat kid with cake.
except poeple who read the book said he got several basic facts wrong about the book.
@@AL-lh2ht Like what?
and righfully so? if the vast majority of people find the show enjoyable then it speaks to the quality of it 😂
@@sean9636not really , people gave transformers 2 billions of dollars
We waited 2 years for nothing
Jeez dude relax 😂
@@kairosmvr1900no, he’s right. Watch tonight’s “finale” episode and you tell me with a straight face he isn’t 1000% right. This writing and entire season is hot garbage and a disgrace to fans who waited 2 years for *This*
Aegon the Unlikely speaks truth, this was pitiful
@@kairosmvr1900worst shit I have seen
This comment is aging like fine wine. The season finale wrapped up a season of mostly nothing with more nothing. We got the one dragon fight, and not much else. Maybe next season some stuff will happen in more than one episode.
I have been saying this all season long,every single episode has plotholes,some of them completely immersion and lore breaking.
Rhaenys being in King's Landing for some reason and letting the greens go.
Daemon wanting to go after Aemond with Rhaenys and her refusing.
Baela not killing Criston and Gwayne when she had the chance.
Aemond attacking Aegon on purpose,instead of it being an accident because he was aiming at Rhaenys.
Rhaenys deciding to turn back for no reason instead of her and Meleys being crushed under Vhagar.
Rhaenyra somehow managing to sneak into King's Landing to talk to Alicent and then Alicent just deciding to let her go instead of having her killed.
Daemon having his LSD trips for like a year,making the Blackwoods both genocidal maniacs as well as having them commit said genocide wearing a royal Targaryen banner for no reason as Daemon would have gotten the fealty of the riverlords thru Oscar regardless.
Rhaena deciding to abandon her little brothers for no reason and seemingly claiming Sheepstealer instead of the brilliant Nettles subplot.
Also the enormous implications of dragons being able to nest just about anywhere in the world,in this case the Vale,as it completely makes the Doom of Valyria causing the near extinction of dragons look like a joke,as George himself pointed out.
Rhaenyra sending food baskets and posters about needing dragon riders into King's Landing and Larys and Aemond being blind not to see it.
And the most recent blunder with Ulf flying over King's Landing only for Aemond to just now decide to chase him to Dragonstone when he could have done just that as soon as he dealt with Rhaenys and Meleys.
And of course Rhaenyra deciding to let him go for some reason instead of jumping him in a 6 vs 1 massacre where Vermithor,Silverwing,Seasmoke,Syrax,Vermax and Moondancer could tear him and Vhagar to shreds.
I haven't of course even talked about how Rhaenyra is made to be some do no wrong paragon of virtue,when she is just as flawed and unsuited to rulling in her own way.
All in all,HoTD only tries the absolute bare minimum to coincide with the events that cannot be changed,but everything else around them is nonsensical fanfiction that completely ruins both immersion as well as enjoyment of the story.
Ppl can say the book is the book and the show is the show all they like,but the one thing ppl dislike,especially true fans is being treated like they're dumb and like their opinions don't matter.
Pretty bold thing to do not even 2 full seasons in when you've barely garnered a sliver of good will after the absolute garbage that the ending of GoT was.
How sad that the writers are not even qualified to ADAPT an already written book.
Now remember that a lot of these core problems will butterfly effect and cause future plot holes
I agree with everything except the Aemond burning Aegon thing. When I read F&B it didn't seem like an accident to me. Doesn't Aemond also wearing the crown literally saying: "It suits me better than him"?
reading all this should haves from the latest episodes sounds like a child speaking giberish "ooh she should killed her on the spot ooh lets turn our brains off and just ATTACK" its so funny. to see this shit ass comment dables to politics and war so lightly is so funny to me. this pretty much sums up nowadays viewrs of this kind of shows, just shut it off man and watch She Hulk
y'all act like in times of war all of you will be all brave and bold and not incredibly cautious and resource conservatives like realistic people would be which is perfectly portrayed in this season lol. this is are realistic characters with realistic emotions, this aint some anime shit where everyone is magically emotionally hollow where they just go head on one dimensionally lelsz
I agree, the kiss idgaf, the plots being changed drastically like removing nettles are very bad decisions
S P O I L E R
Can we also please talk about how Rhaenyra just herds a bunch of people in front of Vermithor in episode 7? Like, wtf?
When rider comes to claim a dragon, it is an intimate ritual that only a couple of people attend to. Usually it is only a rider and a handful of Dragonkeepers to ensure that everything will go smoothly... You don't bring a crowd of people and tell the dragon: "Here, pick your favourite!"🤦
The moment I saw them standing there I thought "damn they're all gonna die except for the two characters meant to be accepted by the dragons".
Like imagine these people are all bastard children cast aside or tossed like garbage and have experienced a shitty life in most cases. And this "call" was their only chance to get something in this life but only for a select few.
The rest like before, got tossed or rather burned to a crisp or eaten by the dragon.
I really felt sorry for them. All sacrificial pawns. I get that she didn't want to hurt them but still it was pretty fucked up.
To me that shows incompetence as a leader and honestly she seemed a bit unhinged throughout that entire thing yet as usual the show doesn't frame her actions as a bad thing
@@MrFredstt This showed she was an actual Targaryen. She now has two extra dragons to use in the war and 50 less royal bastards to worry about. How did the show not frame it as a bad thing? Did you see her gaze during this whole scene? She knew they'd almost all die.
Well, that's why the guys who would usually participate in the ritual walked out and told her she was messing everything up. She knew the entire time she was doing something kind of sacrilegious, but it had also never been attempted before. It wasn't without consequence, and we saw before why it's usually quite a small audience in the first place...
Again, nobody in the show acknowledge that she did anything bad or even mention it to her. It is like it never happened. Fk these writers man.
As good as the first season was, there were some clear signs that the writers tampering with the source material was going to create bigger problems going forward. The most egregious one being how they changed Team Green's impetus for seizing the throne. In the book (and even in the beginning of season 1), Alicent is motivated to seat Aegon on the throne to protect him and the rest of her children because she genuinely fears for their safety. Rhaenyra and Daemon kill Vaemond, Laenor (at least that's what everyone else thinks) and Lucerys took Aemond's eye without facing serious consequences. To Alicent, they were immune from any criticisms and would be willing to kill her children to solidify Rhaenyra's claim, which is an entirely understandable belief to hold in a medieval society where claimants regularly removed the competition to strengthen their own inheritance.
Instead of keeping that compelling motivation, the writers decided to have Alicent misinterpret Viserys' death rattle and kept emphasising that as The Greens' main claim on the throne. It makes them look incompetent and foolish, destroys Alicent's character because she's no longer working to keep her children protected and ruined any sympathy the general audience may have towards them by not elaborating on their motivations. Sure, Otto still wanted to install his bloodline on the throne and the lords alligning with them wanted to uphold a patriarchial legal order, but affording that motivation to Alicent gives them a bit more nuance than 'scheming villains hoping to steal Rhaenyra's birthright because they're inherently evil,' which is the trope they're heavily leaning into.
This still doesn't work because it is not believable...because of the writing. On what planet does a best friend choose to believe her bestie would kill her children? Because Rhaenyra lied about bedding Daemon? Something that was none of Alicent's business to begin with? Has Rhaenyra shown any homicidal tendencies...like ever? Even with Aemond losing an eye, the writers had to invent an alternate situation in terms of how the fight started, there was no four versus one. In F&B, Baela and Rhaena are not involved. It's Aemond vs, Luke and Jace after he slapped a three year old Joffrey, making him fall into a pile of manuer. They changed this to make Aemond not look like the psychopath he is. This is like D&D rewriting Ramsay Bolton, instead of being born a sadistic nut, we would see Ramsay being taunted by Roose Bolton, personally his entire life. Threatening to flay him alive for no apparent reason. Roose's bullying made Ramsey who he is. Um, no sir.
There is NO logical explanation for it. At all. All of the venomous animosity between her children and Rhaenyra's stem from HER side, not Rhaenyra's. She literally manufactured the hatred because she was bitter. She never truly feared Rhaenyra, she was angry that her former bestie was forced into an arranged marriage and still made the best out of her situation by having children with a man she actually liked and was physically attracted to. Had she truly feared her then she wouldn't have fucked with her after her marriage to Laenor. She and Criston Cole allowed Rhaenyra to live rent free in their heads while she isn't thinking anything about them.
Once Rhaenyra becomes Queen there wouldn't be any major altercations if they didn't start anything. The truth is the fact that the Green's started it! No one can deny that. They usurped Rhaenyra and later Aemond kills her son. This is why we are here. .
I wouldn't be surprised if they made Rhaenyra fireproof when Sunfyre is commanded to burn her and she survives and runs off like Laenor Velaryon.
By vomiting this idea into the ether, you’ve made it more likely to happen. How very dare you.
That’s just nonsense btw aegon ordered his dragon to eat her there’s no confusing that
Her being fireproof and surviving dragon fire only to get eaten would be funny
if something, they better make her chomp proof...
Sunfrye is dead
This is why we needed more from season one instead of a five year time skip with every new episode 😅
They didn't have to rush it. For the five year time jump, they could've at least gave us one episode to know Harwin and Laena better
They shouldn't have shown it at all. We didn't need to see the stuff that happened before AGOT 1 to get a background. We didn't need to see the Greyjoy Rebellion, Cersei giving birth, Roberts Rebellion, etc to get what's going on in the story.
The writers are just mid
@@notsorry4735not true at all, YOU didn’t need it cause you read the books. You do need some backstory that game of thrones didn’t give to understand the show better
Excatly there’s was no development at all not it’s all going to shite
@@GiveonKing no, they pretty much dropped all of it during the show. Same for the books, we got basically all of it via dialogue. George didn't start AGOT with 20 chapters of the events leading up to it. We didn't have to take a history lesson before seeing any of it. We discovered more as time progressed.
Also just because the source material is a fictional history book, people have started to use it to defend literally anything. The standard response to any criticism about creative choices is "You dont know the book is written from the perspective of...." I know dude my goodness..we all read it several times.
I hate those comments so much
@@naoimleschadExcept the book plot is neither clean nor coherent and certainly doesn't make much sense. GRRM certainly didn't put much thought into this book compared to his main 5 books. ..
That non-argument also completely misses the point of the Dance of the Dragons - nobody really knows who was good/bad or if anyone could really be called good/bad, we just know a struggle for power caused the entire continent to bleed. By making Rhaenyra the tragic virtuous hero and the Greens the shady usurpers, it flattens the moral dynamic and the core themes of the story.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 they can use all that argument they want, but can't excuse they made the characters so unexciting and boring.
Then book might exaggerate some stuff but at least the characters are interesting, power hungry and each has their own agenda which makes sense in wartime. Now they dumb down the show lol
@@naoimleschad You put it brilliantly. This is fiction. That doesn't give you the option absolutely whatever nonsense you're coming up with.
THANK YOU! finally someone stating this. Every other youtuber seem to be in love with this series, even the ones who hate on everything suddenly took a 180 turn with house of the dragon and I dont understan why, to me this series falls in the same category as rings of power or the acolyte, maybe slightly better.
Oh trust me, it’s nowhere near as bad as Wheel Of Time (TV series) or Rings Of Power. That’s not a high bar to jump, but they’ve definitely cleared it!!
I was enjoying the first season.......this one. started having problems......when they introduced blatant woke aspects......it genuinely broke the suspension of desbelief for me.......specially since i can't tell what is canon or not.
I reluctantly agree. I have liked a lot of the season, but sadly it's been a mixed bag. Some plot lines like Alicent's and Daemon's felt so aimless and repetitive.
Yes
While that Alicent floating in the lake moment was beautiful and symbolic
It wasn’t necessary
We already knew by that point that she was consumed by her expected role at court and that she secretly (wink wink) longed to be free like that bird above her. I mean we didn’t need to have that as a way to move the story forward. It was a waste
I feel like they try to add so many scenes to "provide depth" to a character, but it honestly just makes watching the series boring. I don't need to see Alicent fucking Criston Cole ten times to know it's happening, I don't need Daemon tripping balls at Harrenhall for 7 episodes to know it's happening. It's the kind of scene that comes up and your first reaction is "christ, not this again". So much time and effort that could have gone towards other more plot-important scenes, or just filling out scenes that we were completely robbed of (like the Battle of the Burning Mill, which was the first head on conflict during the Dance, and was practically skipped over).
@@politecat9207 The agenda has been very clear from the start of the show : make the viewers feel sympathy for Rhaenyra and Alicent by painting them as mistreated women manipulated by power hungry men. They are completely pushing aside the fact that both are ultra privileged princesses fighting a selfish war of power on the backs of smallfolks...
@@politecat9207 Don't forget this show bringing royal foot fetishes to the silver screen, and the dirty, manipulative men who are turned on by feet. I didn't need that.
@@vee1766 Yep. The fact that all the bloodshed could have been averted had one of these ultra-privileged princesses/Queens - who repeatedly claimed they wanted to avoid war - just abandoned their (family's) perceived right to the Iron Throne. The writers are trying to make them look sympathetic, but instead they just seem inconsistent, selfish and poorly written.
I am pitying these people clinging to Mushroom's ridiculous rumors to prove Rhaenyra is bi. 😂😂😂 You guys are nuts.
Mushroom’s sick fantasy
@@synthamvs7624 Its a show about incest. Bisexuality is not disgusting like incest
@@SamHunt-o7d I’m talking about westerosi people
@@SamHunt-o7d I’m talking about in their world
@@SamHunt-o7d in westeros it is
There are stuff you didn't mention (Understandable because this was on YT before the season's finale aired) that can't be retconned.
Changing Helaena's character from the book has had extreme impact on the plot, not just regarding her character ...
I like the show overall but my biggest problem is that this all feels like "black vs white", "good vs evil" etc. Game of thrones has always (or at least in my eyes) been about showing both side. Each and every character is shitty and good in their own way (of course there are some who are jut shit bags or an entire house but there's usually good context behind it) which makes them feel just a tad bit real.
S1 did a good job in potraying both sides but this season I felt has leaned very heavily on Rhaneyras side being the good people, while there are some moments with other characters that show a more malicious side overall it feels very one sided.
Also I don't care what anyone says about the kissing scene it feels very VERY out of place, I don't care about affairs or same gender sex scenes happening in GOT but I do want it to make sense or to be hinted at. That kiss had 0 build up and the conversation that was being had in the moment also didn't help. I don't know what the director was thinking leaving that in.
Look ,e in the eyes and tell me if in the earlier seasons it wasn't starks good , lannisters bad
@@louyou6614 Lannisters was never showing us as incompetent foolish evil bad guys. Tywin still in top 3 of the best characters from the series.
P.s. at the end i really hated Starks.
@@louyou6614Tyrion Lannister.
Exactly, if 90% of the fanbase is team black that is a pretty good indication that they don't understand the moral point of the story
@Captain_Insano_nomercy I mean the more evil deeds of tb are yet to come
Rhaneyra canon's only becomes cruel after jace death
Martin should focus on finishing his last 2 books
He's too busy with Elden Ring
Wasnt there a time George Martin complained about "toxic fans" , who were upset about things like changing the authors vision making a different story that was not an improvement to the original or frequently ignoring internal logic ? They do it to him and suddenly he has an epiphany but doesnt acknowledge and apologize.
Yea he called LOTR fans toxic for not happily eating the Diarrhoea that was ROP simply because it had LOTR and Tolkiens name plastered on it. Did the same with Star wars fans for not eating disney Star wars Diarrhoea either.
George wants everybody besides himself to tell his story. He neglects his book, green lights a spin off, withholds vital information about the story then complains when the show runners get that vital information wrong or neglect it.
He could easily have told them that dragons wouldn’t fly around the eyrie alone. The reason why he didn’t is because he said that idea and the nature of dragons and targs will be fleshed out in later books, specifically Winds of winter. A book which was promised over 13 years ago, a book which seems more and more likely that he doesn’t intend to ever release at all if you go off of his most recent blog posts.
@@akeelyaqub2538 I dont believe he will ever finish Winds of Winter which he kept saying over the years would be done soon. Then he would have to complete ASOIaF with he says one other book but the way he keeps adding stuff that might be wrong too.
@@akeelyaqub2538 you are so right!
it’s frustrating that Martin is mad that “Hollywood” is taking his stories and making it their own, he did the same thing with Beauty and the Beast (starring Linda Hamilton and Ron Perlman) did he not change the original story?!
That’s very hypocritical of him.
Also if he was really concerned then he should write the scripts himself. He could even put that as a condition in his contract. GOT season 1 episode 1 was written by him. Later on he became busy with other side projects when he won’t even sit down with the writers. He kept saying he just wants 4 seasons with 10 episodes each (that’s 40 hours) for one book!
Lord of the Rings 3 books were 3 movies (2 hours and 58 mins film for Book 1
2 hours and 59 mins film for Book 2
3 hours and 21 mins film for Book 3) and all the time he wants 40 hours for his one book (Fire and Blood)!?
OMG Martin really is too much!
@@estheraida5101 not only that but GOT season 1 actually had new scenes not from the books that improved the characters a lot more and added way more to them. George himself even said earlier scenes in earlier seasons made him wish he wrote them into the books. He also said the show did Osha better than he did, as well as Robb and Robert baratheon. So his comment about writers never being able to do better than the source material conflicts with his own statements about game of thrones and its characters.
The only character that became really interesting this season is Aegon. The others are really meh!!
Agreed, he really became may favorite this season.
@Krit101w The episode 8 leaked and it seems they are keeping the same ending with him(Helaena's vision), which means he will do "the thing" to Rhaenyra🤭
Well put. I would also argue the pacing, though improved compared to season one, truncates a lot of time that could be used to explore character alongside the progression of the plot, as opposed to glimpses.
And the dialogue is pointless
Rhaenyra 3 scenes having the same answers "i can't do nothing, they stole my throne"
Corlys with the brothers COULD BE CUT AND YOU MISS NOTHING because they never Talk about the family OR ANYTHING
The dragonseeds in the first episodes are kinda pointless because they never show the personalities UNTIL NOW EPISODE 7 or SIX if you want we only meet them as info. In the episode 2 3
Yes, meaningful dialogue is very minimal in this season. Aemond has had like zero good dialogue scenes, his scene with Helaena in the throne room would’ve been a great exchange, but instead the writers opted for flare rather than substance.
I don't want to see actors or writers' ideology within fictional characters they didn't write. If you want to explore "girl power" and give 21th century message, do it with your own characters. I want to see that Rhaenyra in the books with her real flaws. Otherwise I would watch other garbage shows that explore "girl power." Thanks.
Edit: The thing is and I hate the most, just like the creator said, the writers are just filling in the gaps in the book. So matter how irrelevant their choices are, they can always find some stupid Mushroom quote and justify them.
I can sort of understand your point but didn’t Rhaenera end up doing stuff with beala in the book while in the show they made that relationship more motherly which would have made any sexual act really weird. Also I feel it could pay off, for all we know mysera is manipulating rheanera to eventually betray her like in the book. The biggest change is that of the bastards getting dragons which could affect a lot and is very different to what george wrote so we will see how that turns out. Also it shows rheanera still has flaws, she is uncaring of her responsibility to maintain the social norms of the people, she acts irrationally and doesn’t consider the consequences of her actions.
That moment could make sense, as long as its what it is a "moment" its not really a "girl power" thing when you have a tender moment with someone it could jump into a kiss(as long as there is attraction) if they make it a "plotline in the show then yes its forced but a kiss is not a "oh no its woke!" Thing
Rhaenyra kisses Mysaria because Rhaenyra wants to be Daemon and Daemon and Mysaria used to fuck.
@@amoscollin1751 To answer your question no Rhaenyra had no sexual relationship with another female in the book. At this point it is pointed out the princess had a desire for sweets and cakes more than physical urges apparently
What “girl power” are you referring to though? Or are you just repeating what you here other haters say?
the gay being inserted into everything is boring. the kiss was not needed
Every time anyone takes liberties on whatever source material it never seems to work. It always feels off
Modern writers think they are so smart, that they can improve the source material, wich of course they very rarely can.
It worked very well with "The Boys".
The show is way way superior to its comic book source material.
The office us is not better than office UK but is its own thing and fantastic in its own right. This show just has shit writers.
The big writing problem Martin must be worried about is "Winds of Winter"
He's too fat and rich to write. Only fat broke people care enough to follow through
Exactly, he is the last one to be talking about writing problems
@@shaunsmith7503 That makes no fucking sense, morons.
I really love this guy's logic and how he articulate things. He'll be huge one day.
My issue is not that Season 2 was a filler season, but they did not even do that right. Lack of character development, repetitive scenes and really being overt in pushing themes that an intelligent audience should be able to decide the merit of on their own volition. They need to be held accountable, with such a short run time there was no time to drag out some of these arcs. The war is about to begin and there is literally no reason anyone would be rooting for the Greens.
Worst thing is the portrayal of a super slim Rhaenyra. She is a mother of six and you can't tell it from her appearance. It seems that even when they're casting blacks left and right, there's still lot of reluctancy to caste a 'fat' actor in the lead role.
For all their talk of acceptance and progressivism, they had to pick a hot fit chick for the role
@@synthamvs7624 yeah. The second season is quite disappointing for me.
Has it not occurred to GRRM that screenwriters may have learned their attitude from his own ridiculous, lazy + frivolous failure to finish the project that *MADE HIS FORTUNE ?!!*
If he wants them to respect "integrity", he shouldn’t have covered for Benioff & Weiss right up to *(AND INCLUDING!! 🤬😡)* Season 8.
Those who *WANT* respect, *GIVE* respect!!
Yep, his ego got too large and now he's cheapened his entire works- serves him right, not enough writing, too much fandom adoration.
Don’t get me wrong I truly enjoy this show, and I have no problem with the Greens being the “the villains” of the story. But this adaptation is not favorable of the Greens. I feel like it at times they go out of their way to demonize them.
What made the Dance so interesting and tragic. Both sides were fucked up and both have legitimate and faulty reasons for starting a civil war that kicked started the collapse of their dynasty. But this isn’t a balanced adaptation at all, like I said. I still find it highly enjoyable and entertaining, but it’s definitely not equal with the character portrayals.
They have simplified, whitewashed and water down so many characters, particularly Rhaenyra and her fraction to the “the good guys” The Greens are the evil, unredeemable villains, who deserve no empathy or humane moments.
The books themselves were written by Maesters who were Team Green and pro Hightower. George himself said the accounts of the book are unreliable it doesn't take much to figure out the Maesters would water down and whitewash team Green and demonise the opposing side Team Black
They're trying to make Team Black "Dumbledore's Army" of quarky misfits
@@cbeaudry4646 😂😂Good take, I think you might be on to something.
I don't even find it enjoyable. I guess people do, in same as they found season 7 of GoT enjoyable.
@@aliensconfirmed3498lol this is better than season 7 stop smoking crack
That moment of Rhaenys bursting through the floor started the signal of this show's downfall. Before that, it was solid. That's why I can fully agree when people say season 1 was so good. The first half was really good. The later parts, especially the last two episodes were mixed.
Someone had to talk about these... Thank you!
this Whole team green team black stupidity , while i get it good for advertising . it gives the Twilights team jacob team edward ass vibe
I’m not a fan of the team black vs team green. When they literally favorite team black. It’s basically like there’s no point in it.
I skipped some scenes, for the first time ever in my tv-show-watching-history
Sapochnik is the goat. Without him, there is no show in my eyes.
The reason storytelling in television has deteriorated so much is that shows like this exist increasingly to serve as vessels of social engineering and less as a medium for authentic storytelling.
Season 1 wasn't good too. It was woke show feom the very start (for example miseria character). This show starts ok and then totally crushed
There are many problems with hotd, but inconsistent characterization is what i find the most irritating. (Alicent and Aemond are suffering the worst from it, in my opinion).
Also, the whole show revolves around the same 3 characters even when they have nothing to do, while others who are much more interesting to explore are cast aside, getting minimal screen time and their storylines are underdeveloped. Even the general audience can tell that s2 is bad and a massive downgrade from the first season. The slower pacing is not the problem, but the poor execution of everything that happens between the major plot points.
They should've learnt from Boardwalk Empire that this can kill the hype for a show. I agree that we needed more to focus more on other characters who are going to be pivotal in the upcoming war. We need to care for these characters otherwise the war has no impact imo. Need to see more of Westeros and the other houses too.
A large proportion of the source texts for the modern franchises were written during a time where writing extended letters by hand was a nearly universally cultivated skill. Modern screenwriters when not writing for a job, use their skills with the English language as do most of us, for texts, emails and twitter posts. You can't fully train for combat with a wooden sword.
Syrio Forel would like a word. And he’s definitely not dead at all at all at all. ⚔️😉
Great analysis! I love that you're able to openly criticize the things the show's doing wrong.
I've said this at the end of S1 and I'm saying it again after S2; "Maybe Dumb and Dumber were not so bad after all🗣️🔊" No one is touching GoT Seasons 1 to 4.
black rock is funding this
From my understanding, Miguel is the reason for Sara Hess adding that scene, he wanted something more shocking. I can’t find the article but he also made a comment that made me think him leaving was best for the show.
I think the reason for a lot of displeasure for season 2 was the writer strike, they could film but not make changes to the script.
Its an adaptation, but that should not be used as excuse to go off the rails. This is fair criticism but at least the product still of acceptable quality. Unlike most crap out there nowadays
is it acceptable quality? In the first episode of season 2, the mother has to show the assassins which of her children is a boy, and which a girl. Im instantly kicked out of immersion. Just put your hands in one of the kids pants and see if theres a pepe or not... Why bother with that whole 'is she saying the truth?' thing when you can be certain in much less time. Time is rather of the essence when you had sneaked into the queens chambers. It was far from epic, it was just absurd, and it wasnt the last time, there is just more and more of it. This show makes me feel like im watching the walking dead all over again, and that was so terrible ive given up during the 4th season. Im not gonna watch the next season. Imo house of the dragon is much worse than the final season of GoT.
People must have found GoT season 7 acceptable too and I bet they would have said same about season 8 if Jon Snow killed Night King and eventually sat the throne.. even if rest of the season was just as horrundous.
@@mac19999x house of the dragon season 2 has far better dialogue than season 8. Are we watching the same show?
Someone on here said that HOTD has removed all moral ambiguity and it's so true. GOT was fantastic cause most of its characters were complex and weren't just "good and bad" guys. You could empathize or sympathize with anyone from every side. HOTD is so simplistic in its characterizations. Pretty much everyone says what they're thinking and acts as they feel. There's no tension or intrigue in this show. It's not a bad show, but it's definitely a dumbed down version of GOT
I’m extremely bored with season 2. Not enough action, too much talking, Daemon’s lack of progress (just sitting in a castle for like 5 episodes having bad dreams), the cgi of the dragons is not as good as game of thrones, and it feels like I’m watching a fantasy show produced by PBS. I can’t believe I’m saying this but I’m looking forward to season 2 of rings of power lol.
There’s too much talking but it’s not even high quality dialogue like season 2 of game of thrones it’s very poor writing instead.
@@synthamvs7624 totally agree. The writing isn’t that good for all the talking. And before being able to ride a dragon was for one specific group of people who had the blood to ride them. Even the Dragons are DEI now. It’s so laughable.
agreed. and even with the short time we had this season we should've been getting more development for the other key actors in the upcoming war. some of the episodes were very repetitive in their content meanwhile certain characters hardly had any screen time. very baffling decisions all round
You summed it up: this season (and last season to maybe a lesser extent) has just felt all over the place. They’re trying to do so much, and yet they’ve gone nowhere.
After that dumbster fire of a season finale, Martin was right 😂😂😂
Although I have enjoyed season 2 for the most part, it does seem like its pattern is treading water, big scene, treading, big scene
Even worst of GOT is better this s2 shit
When I read a couple years ago that the producers stated they don't want to see "a bunch of white people" and thus race swapped the Velaryons, I called it a day.
First warning sign that they had the wrong priorities
The whole "writers...eager to take the story and improve and improve on it" makes my blood boil. It doesn't matter how many times this is proven wrong, writers' and producers' hubris never seems to let up. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of fans fall in love with a story - then here come the egos thinking they know better than, not just the fans, but better than the author's. It makes me want to do a Meleys Dragon roar right in their faces.
3:14 Ah-huh so an alphabet actress wanted to kiss a girl on screen and they all* just went with it not minding the universe itself... wow
Emma D'Arcy is a leftist and she wanted to put leftist politics in the show. That's why it felt out of place, where Laenor being gay felt more well written.
Finally someone blasting the Writing. It sucks
Bro what is the song playing in the background? Please, my life depends on it!!
*Never mind I foud it, all is saved. Praise the Warrior.
That scene is so problematic lol even if some people see it as "beautiful" like a sensual kiss is supposed to be non-sexual because "people want intimacy". Newsflash: you can show intimacy WITHOUT being sexual, I know it is hard to believe for any pornbrainers out there.
Upon thinking this further Rhaenyra being insensitive about personal spaces of someone who just bared their trauma as an entitled narcissistic nepobaby kinda fits her tbh
It was kind of creepy that rhaenyra felt the need to “kiss her” when she was talking about how his father rap3d her 💀
The irony is that most of those people also criticize porn, even though all they do themselves is ship characters they want to have sex with each other, and then fantasize about that. Makes you wonder who's the real "deviant" 😂
In season 1, Daemon says that there are 3 wild dragons on Dragonstone and then the writers took one of those dragons and put him in the Vale. It also seems, that they really killed off Sunfyre when Joffrey tells Margaery in GoT, that "Aegon fed his sister to his dragon down there in the dungeons" (it should have been on Dragonstone). These writers don't even proofread their own work and don't care about the inconsistencies and plot holes they create...just like in GoT season 8.
The writers thought keeping Daemon in Harrenhall all Season 2 is a great way to bring back some of the first season characters. A cameo appearance.
The female writer said she thought “let’s just put a black goat in for fun” that Daemon sees in Harrenhall. That kind of thinking really doesn’t lend anything to the story imo.
Thanks for the video. I really enjoyed your take on the series.
I mean in the book Daemon is literally doing nothing. There’s nothing written about him, very few mentions besides, he’s in Harrenhal. That’s it. There’s nothing else he’s doing. At least we get to see him dealing with the Riverlords and the curse at Harrenhal in the show, as opposed to not having him in it at all until the battle at God’s Eye. They actually are following fire and blood fairly closely. Biggest difference would be sheepstealer and Rhaenys at the coronation.
'lets just kiss....cos like....being queer is woke- and we want to show woman being strong- not needing men!"
Man this hits hard after the finale
This video ages really well
I've had this complaint since the 1st Season with HOTD! Way too many "Fluff Scenes" to infill empty vessels of visual time! The BIGGEST mistake Mr. Martin is doing is not finishing his Books, and allowing the writers to veer too far off topic of what has been written.
But the book HOD is based on has been finished a long time ago.
@anndiestephen7671 that is indeed true - which I guess makes more of an awkwardness when it comes to these "Fluff Scenes" pertaining to HOD because we, as the viewers (who've read the books) look at this acting, and are then left scratching our heads asking why did they enact that? It's just weird when the Book storyline doesn't remotely align with what is portrayed in screen...
Do you guys really think that House of the Dragon is that "one" out of 1000? 😅
so far and hard NOO . dont get me wrong it still enjoyable but it aint Breaking bad
@@sabgogo7393 breaking bad is based on a book?
@@sabgogo7393huh?🤔how is breaking bad the show you jumped to?
The one out of 1000 is probably LoTR lol
@@kingdoom5022 it's not better but it's just as good imo
I will tell you what happened: Emma as a nonbinary person was obsessed with introducing her queerness int the show. She was looking for circumstances to ¨improvise¨ something like that. Then when they were shooting the scene where the topic was about how a father raped his daughter, get her pregnant, and then almost killed her to cover up his wrong doing, and Emma was like: ¨O well fuck the context of the scene. I will act as a self serving narcisist to put my personal politics into the scene.¨ I don't even blame Emma. I blame the person who was like: ¨Well it doesn't make sense looking into the context of the scene, but fuck it lets just leave it like that...¨
You absolutely nailed it! I love it because im a fan but the writing is all over the place. Woke had got to it. Martins favourite character, has spent a whole series tripping balls doing nothing.
IMO a lot of recent TV consists of 90% unnecessary dialogue between random characters and just a little bit of action sprinkled throughout so that the show is actually about something. Like there are multiple episodes of this show consisting mostly of people talking about how bad the war will be and how it can be prevented. Just show us the horror of war and let that speak for itself, I want some action ffs.
I don’t feel bad for George. The seed was planted back when he praised the race swap of the Valarions. That alone has made the plot fall flat. Because the Valarions don’t look like they belong with the Targs. It has the effect of making the Strong bastards look less out of place by comparison. If they casted it as per the canon and you had this gathering of the families where silver hair and pale skin and eyes and sharp features are everywhere in evidence, except on the 3 strong boys, the impact of Rhenyra’s actions, her infamy, would be so clear and we’d understand better just how scandalous the situation is. Instead, it all turns on their hair colour? That may be enough with 2 monoracial people, but That’s not enough for interracial union when the Valarions are so obviously wearing bad wigs and Daemon’s daughters look nothing like him and Baela also has common features with no hint of her white as snow father, or her biracial mother. Worsened by the utter lack of chemistry between Damon and the alleged daughters. It makes the story feels unreal, the society feels unreal, the stakes feel unreal. The entire game of thrones started because of a woman’s incest and adultery bore 3 children to a king who looked nothing like him or any of his ancestors in similar pairings. The race swap was a major ball fumble, and I can’t see how George could not have known that. I think rather, that he knew and feared to speak truthfully. Pandering. I’d feel bad for George if he’d been honest then, but now? The dye is cast, finish your books since you’ve received every sign that the story you’re trying to tell is too backwards for modern screen writers and audiences.
Second season is such a let down after a brilliant first season.
Nah. That's harsh
So that awkard makeout session that came out of nowhere was only because Emma D'Arcy wanted an excuse to kiss Sonoya Mizuno?
"Hey, wouldn't be _crazy_ if these characters, like, _kissed_ or whatever? Haha, that'd be so _crazy,_ right? We should try it, cuz, like, you know, _whatever,_ right? Let's just get _crazy_ and make _acting_ happen, you know? Haha this is sooo _crazy_ and spontaneous, I didn't expect this _at all,_ haha!"
Emma D'Arcy inserting her queerness into her character. LMAO
Soon Rhaenyra will be using They/ Them pronouns.
i dont think so, i personally never saw rhaenyra as straight and felt she had a weird crush on alicent from the very beginning (and this was with milly alcock)
@@Gabi-nn6xu women can’t be friends trope
They say "a camel is a horse designed by a committee," and that is how HOTD is beginning to feel. Inconsistent, directionless, "cool" for "cool" sake power fantasy. American elder-millennial writers who grew up on a consistent diet of corny Marvel movies pitching to American TV executives who want corny Marvel profits.
The kissing scene didnt bother me, but it did feel thrown in for its own sake. Making stuff up on the fly is a big part of what tanked GOT. "We kind of forgot about that" etc. There is so much detail in these worlds that the scripts should be handled delicately. Letting actors improv and make story decisions because "it felt right" or adding random symbolism without any thought-through significance (the goat), leads to a breakdown in logic, weakening the immersion for the viewer.
In modern Hollywood I can picture a director agreeing to this suggestion by Emma Darcy, not wanting to seem bigoted. No issue at all with a gay love narrative, but a cast member improvising plot points is worrying. Is that storyline going to go somewhere? Has that been written? If not, kind of a pointless thing to end an episode on.
Appreciate your take on this. I’m worried of changes, completely blah with Daemond in Harren Hall. Lord Tully pushed Darmond this week and I did enjoy that. The game
Some of the changes from the book are well done and do improve. But some are not that good.
And he is right about cannon. And that can be used for many things these days.
Include the tons of people commenting what could be done better, how they would write better, what they would change etc XDD Commenters are criticizing literally everything, claiming it should be done differently.
Starting the show at the middle of the book was a bad idea from the get go.
Hmmm, the show is about the dance tho, fire and blood is 150 years of timeline, i think starting a bit earlier would have been better but still, doing it all from the start would be a hard task
I'm reading the books at the moment and it's funny how the best TV in history the writers just copied the books word for word until they ran out of material...
I really tried to watch it but this show is half people sitting in a meeting the other hafl is mothers mothering. My questions is who actually cares. We all saw the deaths coming a mile away. The dragons are disappointing lets be honest. Maybe 2 are alright and we already know wich ones. But we have queer characters now 😊😊 even if we already had that in GOT and the quality now is sht. Cant even ve mad, our collective punishment is not getting GOOD shows but garbage like this that is okay at best on a good day. Hf watching moms complain, sneak into a castle that apparently ist guarded, predicting deaths of kids nobody actually cares about( just their dragons). Waaayyy better then all the lore in the universe. No lets focus on queers queering.
My gut tells me these people that get these jobs are not the cream of the crop, and are likey the nieces and nephews of the producers. Nepotism in corporate endeavors is what keeps progress back.
Honestly I thought the kiss improv was fine. I was slightly surprised when it happened but it totally makes sense emotionally and thematically for both characters. I think the actress knows her character well from the interviews I’ve seen with her.
Also, in life sometimes people kiss in emotionally charged moments, and sometimes something comes from it and sometimes it just doesn’t lead to any thing 🤷. I think it’s a great scene capturing the essence of game of thrones as quoted by Martin, “the human heart in conflict with itself.”
Couldn't agree more with every single word in this video. So sad what they are doing to the story and the characters.