Is Outboard Gear Worth It?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2024
- In this episode the guys discuss the evolution of outboard gear and its role in todays engineering world. Are plugins catching up to outboard gear? Is the next generation of engineers going to care about expensive outboard equipment? Are more and more songs being mixed in the box? Lets find out.
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All the major mix engineers that say they are mixing in the box are still most likely recording vocals through a $2,000 to 4,000 interface, $5,000 preamp and a $4,000 compressor, along with a $3,000 to 40,000 microphone, and sending there mix off to a mastering engineer using analog gear.
Studio One users here. Quiet and confident cause we’re waiting for y’all to discover the truth. S1 > Everything. Much Love!
Facts! Studio One is dope! I've used FL, Abelton, Protools, and Reason!
I personally think S1 is so bipolar, it has in my opinion the best mixing workflow but (from all major daw) by far the worst beatmaking workflow. as a mixer i’d go with S1 for sure, however as I mainly produce first before recording I just can’t. FL got that one locked for me
Facts studio one has the best of everything..but everyone will eventually find out on their own jst wait n see
@@princeharry6736 i think is hard for every FL user to move to another daw cause Fl has a way too different workflaw than any other daw out there
I’m on logic and mainly record my own vocals with a little beat making here and there. I say all that to say if I were to ever switch daws or took time to learn another studio one is my first choice. I love the workflow it has for vocal recordings
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OAN: I would say I found a middle ground with a d-box+ a pair of pultec style EQ and a warm audio bus comp for mixing. On the recording side I have a HA1073EQ->HA Tubesessor (cl1b clone) -> 76 style compressor and it’s made my recordings on another level. Everything else is in the box.
have you tried an la2a style in place of the cl1b? curious on your thoughts.
10:43 The reason why you see one CPU core maxed out and the others not being used as much, is because all DAWs use one core to processes everything on a track. So if you have a lot of plugins on one track, or a very intensive plugin running, you will have audio glitches. Also with Apple Silicon Macs, DAWs don't use the efficiency cores on the CPU for some reason.
Efficiency Cores are for low power task
Whats the remedy for this?
@@Moneyybagg_Lu the DAW’s have to utilize the CPU and use multi core processing for audio
Interesting !! thank you so much for the insight!
Facts thanks for these insights cause its a headache
Studio one Gang .. been through all Daws but interms of workflaw S1 is a god .
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The Studio One users are just chillin! It's pretty cool in the shade!
Analog gear still has value and even more so now that tons of music is sounding the same. However plugins are getting more and more advanced. Love the podcast def my favorite
The part about making sure your new computer is up to date before getting back to work is good advice. I recently got a new Mac and transferred everything over but I didn't do that until my latest single was finished and released before I did because I didn't want any issues preventing me from getting that out. But overall the process was pretty smooth. I just had to reactivate some licenses and authorize a lot of my plugins.
I love this topic at 12:00 because I have a 24-core threadripper and sometimes see the very final core is being utilized at maximum capacity whilst other cores are barely in use. Wish there was a better way to distribute the workflow to individual cores.
Waves Tune Real Time for me!!!
I started tracking vocals through a WA73 EQ > WA76 > Logic. Crazy improvement and I’m using half the plug-ins to mix vocals in the box. Great episode!
that sounds nice!!!
I’m a an avid Pro Tools user (no pun intended) but no lie in a few years Luna is gonna be a problem especially as UA expands their expansion plugin line. To answer the question of the topic at hand; yes outboard gear is very much so worth it. I have been mixing and mastering (professionally) for the last 2 years and felt like I have solved the analog vs digital wars with my mixes. That’s until I bought the SSL Fusion Rack and haven’t been the same. Now I’m operating a hybrid studio with mastering hardware to process my finished mixes. The best advice I can give any up and coming engineer/producer/beat maker is If you’re serious about your craft invest in yourself. We spend money on bs anyway. Once you buy it it’s yours forever. Besides, Many companies have financing options. You won’t be disappointed.
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How I understand the cpu issue is that audio is always a single core process so it runs off one core but when you use busses and sends and have parallel effects is when other cores will pick up some of the processing... Its got a lot to do with routing...
Bro that Dbx 286s changed my life my grandpa let me use his and my vocals came in so crisp
Logic user BTW🔥🔥✅
Good episode! Btw, to print autotune on the vocal track in ProTools all you have to do is route the vocal in through an aux track with the plug-ins on it and out to an audio track. I'm surprised Devvon didn't know this. And in FL studio you just print to Edison and then bring the wav file back into the mixer 👌
I didnt know because its just not my workflow. I come from the school of bein scared to death to print things. and remember im a mix engineer guy lol! ahahahah
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When working with Audio, your computer only uses one primary core. That’s why when purchasing a laptop always look at the 1 core processing speed. The rest of the cores are basically inactive when working with audio. It’s very few things that get off loaded to the other cores.
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Y’all need a logic user on the show. Logic really the best for ppl that mix , record, and beatmake. If you just mix gotta go pro tools and if you just make beats I’d say fl for hip hop and ableton for pop and edm
“I know your trajectory and who your trying to be” that was deep. 😅get protools
Outboard solves a very different problem than plugins in terms of audio. While they are similar, they aren't the same. It's only when you start to compare outcomes do you ask questions about how someone else chain sounds like x. I think at some point the young producer or engineer will experience that hardware and that's how it happens. They go through the gear lust. Hybrid is the future in my opinion.
I’m goin thru the same thing… i paid 8k for a MacBook which was suppose to be the most powerful one and it worked like a 2,000$ MacBook
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This may sound off but I plan on Adding a LA2A & a 1176 to my tracking chain for recording only. I plan to continue using CLA-76 and CLA2A in my mixing chain jus incase I leave the studio and go to another I'll still have my sessions being able to be pulled up or if I go out of town nd have to mix a album or a song without my outboard gear
Get that Triton! Trust me! I had one in the past and now I have a Korg Krome! Nothing can compare!
The Vst is better in the sense u get all the banks I had a rack unit and it sounded marginally better than the plug-in plus Splice has the whole Korg Collection rent to own
@@boutstaxx BUT YOU CAN'T TRACK A VST THROUGH ANALOG GEAR LIKE THE ZULU THEN SIDE CHAIN IT NEW YORK STYLE AND I CAN'T USE 4K MODE ON MY SSL 2 AND ALSO THE SEQUENCER IN THE TRITON JUST KEEPS YOU FOCUS AND WORKING! BUT THE VST IS COOL JUST NOT ANALOG!
@@boutstaxx That's Dope! Korg be doing they thing!
we gotta make sure they know you can definitely record in mono in ableton before devvon tries it out lol
Pro Tools Gang Checkin in
Some processes have to be done synchronously and cant be spread over several threads but mostly its just plugin developers not adding multithread support.
Ima be honest I made the switch to Meta tune and I have not looked back. Meta tune has been amazing. Super smooth tuning even on higher speeds it doesn’t sound as choppy as Autotune normally does. The sustain knob on the tune is amazing
Ableton is my go to.. I started on protools , but once I got off Mac, I just never looked back. Ableton you have to learn it, but it can do everything you need it to do!
The korg triton is so outdated, but i can see where hes coming from. As a collectors piece it would be awesome. Because back in the day when i started music the triton and motif was a staple in the beat making world. I always wanted 1 but could never afford it. I dont want it now but if i was to sit down with one right now it would bring back alot of great memories working on projects.
I love analog gear. Just expensive but I recently purchased my first tube channel strip and I love how it sounds before I do any in the box processing. Could I get that sound with out it? Most likely but idk I love it and wouldn’t go back to plugging straight into my Apogee Symphony
honestly, certain DAWs use power differently. i noticed that Pro Tools and logic will stop the playback and throw up a warning. Reaper is alot lighter so its smoother.
Still bangin that Studio One....we outchea!
Devvon, your thumbnail is a picture of my rack! Hahahaha!
I can break it down. Id love to join your show for an episode to break it down and also talk about music equipment in general. High level, different, different os systems do threading differently. Most general purpose libraries don’t do well with distributing that work load. This is where a dsp based system can do better.
Also, if something is developed and optimized for the os itself, that still won’t cut it. The software needs to be optimized for the cpu architecture and os both which is a very time consuming task to do.
12:12 Pro Tools ONLY uses performance cores and NOT the efficiency cores. Check the system usage monitor in the DAW. There's a few videos showing the proof.
Hi Devon I’m an #audionerd and just nerdl lol, to answer your core question: Music production heavily relies on the processing power of a SINGLE core. Adding plugins is a linear process of course so one one chain could be on the same core like you saw. That was a big decision I had to determine when I built my pc. More cores doesn’t matter when processing music, but rather how powerful one single core operates ( I have an 8 core Ryzen 5 processor)
M1 macs do not allow something that is called “Hyper Threading” which is something the older i9 intel core chips allow. Hyper threading basically splits cores in 4 so when you got the m1 each core has 2 channels and it forces an individual core to overwork compared to a hyper threading core. So if you have super heavy sessions it will make your cpu act up but overall m1 are really dope because of their ability to stay cool. It will work great for recording sessions and even mixing sessions but as producers we use a lot more vst and plugins with heavy cpu. It’s sucks but it’s still a fire computer. I upgraded from my old 2015 max to the 22 M1 Pro and it was worth it
Thank you for this insight!
Have any of you seen the Cranborne R8 500? It is a USB interface combined with a 500 series hardware module rack in one piece, it looks like the real in the box/outboard hybrid studio with a small footprint. I find it really interesting, and I think 500 series gear is perfect for home studios.
I want and need one
Logic Gang! As always a great episode!
certain cores are designated to processing certain kinds of data, for instance your video data may be processed by core 1 while you're audio processing is run by core 2. This is done to maintain stability on the hardware end, mac os may be limiting core usage to certain process's . Some cores are dedicated for os operations, fan and heat sink operations etc.
This was a fire episode and I'm loving what y'all are doing for the producer community so all-in-all good shit fellas. Oh and by the way waiting on trying to get the plugin for free on a giveaway..... Nah I bought that shit a few days ago and I love it! 💯
Thank you so much for this!!
I recommend cloning ya drive vrs using time machine. You’ll see better results moving machines this way
Pro tools has that specific problem on M1 it doesn’t now how to allocate space. That’s why you need reaper…
You really only need analog up front for recording. The rest can easily be done in the box. Neve 1073 into a CL 1B and your mic of choice is butter. I like to use my Avalon sometimes to depending on the source.
Reaper user here again using all Waves plugins 😅
At the end of the day it isn’t what you use it’s how you use it.
I believe what it comes to is the 2 things you guys touched on.....1. Even though the technology in the VSTs are really close..... It's nothing like the real thing.....plugins emulates ...whereas the hardware is going through the actual circuitry that gives it that warm sound. This is not to say you can't achieve it with plugins....it's just a different feel and/or vibe. 2. A lot of todays producers...(meaning the ones who never really experienced the hardware era or had the experience of doing sessions in a studio with the actual hardware).... are totally in the box...which there's nothing wrong with that but I believe that's part of the disconnect with hardware. Now, the issues with hardware could very well be the pricing as well as the knowledge, understanding and wisdom on how to properly integrate the hardware into their setup. It can be very daunting for someone that's totally in the box. I am a hardcore musician meaning...I grew up playing various instruments...and I actually play several instruments.....so I am also partial to owning and/or having access to the actual instruments (outboard gear). I am also looking into expanding to outboard effects as well. I have a few pieces...but I have some others I'd like to get and have on deck...to integrate with the software...but I will have to look into the McDSP option...I had completely forgot about that....hmmmmmm!!!
Devon Talking Like A Mob Boss But The Show Is Dope Bro Keep Up The Good Work
Wes audio and bettermaker have software controlled outboard gear.
I have some wes audio stuff. Its awesome
I updated to an M1 iMac and it works just fine. Gotta run it native though.
21:00 Nobody talked about the McDSP APB-8/APB-16 cuz they cost WAY too much for what they're offering. Unobtainium for most engineers/producers. WesAudio/Bettermaker does this integration WAY better! Plugins that match their hardware. Control from hardware OR the plugin.
Colin McDowell is the maker of McDSP . He also does Stock Plugins for Pro Tools .
It's not the same but in the same Realm as What you talking about with McDSP is the Focusrite Liquid Channel
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I feel your pain I went through this recently with Windows operating system updates I had to reinstall everything start from scratch lost a couple of sessions and then even fl-21 that crashes sometimes time-to-time more frequently than fl20
Aye yo stop playing with STUDIO ONE
Bought autotune annual bundle for my m1 mac. Every plugin crashes. Especially when tracking.
Can confirm Autotune turns my new M1 MacBook into a nuclear device
woah is this episode slightly longer?
Let’s go REAPER!
FL had the UVI bundle! almost made me jump ship. UVI is fire
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It's funny cause even if I'm not the best at a certain instrument or have cheap gear i 9/10 choose to track live instruments instead of using plugins, but with synths i use plugins. It really is what you're used to and exposed to in your production career
If you are mixing, I employ you to give Harrison Mixbus V9 a try. It is a bar setter.
for me outboard gear i feel its never going away a lot has slowed down but there will aways be something missing with out outboard gear in the sound
39:22 Leslie Braithwaite said he mixes only in the box now too
PRO TOOLS 4LIFE !!!! Devon can we PLEASE get a PRE AMP+ EQ Review between NEVE1073 & AVALON VT-737🙏🙏🙏 WE Can DoThrow in th MANLEY TOO! PLEASE🙏🙏🙏 Or UAD Pluggins vs. SLATE DIGITAL!! & Mr. FL GOBLIN, Lmao I had the same problem upgrading to the M1. SHyt Crazy but we got it done!
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i like studio one. simple UI. does the routing that i need. only switched from logic because the folders nesting is limited lol. i can't stand any of the UIs besides logic and studio one.
You have to refresh auto b4 u log out and when u transfer over to a next cpu refresh again and log back in I was having that same issue but they told me what to do in a live chat
with the hardware to software i think the hardware has a diffrent processing code or sumn
Nuff blessings audio nerds
Damn that’s wild… my M1 hasn’t had issues like that
HMD what’s your preferred plugin LA-2A model?? A general option from all 3 of you, maybe your top 2 or 3
Studio One a the boss
Auto EFX FOR THE WIN!
Yall know studio one has"plug in nap" to help with cpu situations.... Just so yall know
Fl Gang forever 💪
19:49 the future is Waves Coming out with their own D.A.W’s with plugins already built into the tracks & NLS BUSS built into the master channel
Just got a m2 MacBook this week. Now Antares saying I CANNOT USE auto tune pro and must update to autotune pro X for $175
DAWs have to process all plugins on a track on the same core. You want the most speed available per core when you go computer shopping.
damn i was looking at a analogue fairchild yesterday damn devvon we on the same timing lol
Before I watch I want to give my opinion. For the average person I’d say no way most of the time. If money is no option absofreakinlutely!
Could you maybe take a look at the vocal mix of the song "Jodeci" from YG Pablo? This is one of the best sounding mixes I've ever heard on a song, and I'm finding it very difficult to get this sound out of my mixes.
16:20
"I'm not a low male"
"you're a soprano"
😂😂😂
the cut to wide at 18:35 this one of the funniest runs of the podcast lmao 😂😂😂
whats up guys im the (presonus banger) and alot of times plug-ins needs to run with your master clock thus making everything run seqentualy(on a single core) that,s why latency is induced to keep your daw and outboard gear in sync and audio is processed through one core while using the other cores to actually run the plugins U.I... Think of if like this a plugin is useless until you send a signal to it... its just waiting...be on the look out for vst's that can run on ur gpu...