@Navid Chowdhury nah they shouldn't. Clips at most. They have to do what benefits the TH-cam algorithm or no matter how much you like them they'll be pushed to the bottom
28:14 That’s the reason why I say Devvon and the boys should be way up higher, many of the tricks I gathered over years and research I had professionally and charming out together over here at your channel. Some just can’t feel what quality is, when it’s right in front of them. 🤦♂️ HUGE Thanks for keeping it up ! 🥳 And my two cents : There’s many ways to Rome ✌️
As an old school guy, Devvon, you are the one who helped me the MOST when I started getting back into music and basically doing everything in the box. Screw the haters. There is not a single tip you have given that didn't make sense, and didn't help me dial in my mixing, and quiet as kept, some of the stuff you given, made HUGE impacts on how I approach mixing for live sound! Especially when I get to use waves plug-ins with a live rig. You are killing it! Keep up the good work. Imma ride with you till the wheels fall off.
Love Y’all For NOT Keeping Your Secrets Like Most Engineer’s Do “But In A Good Way” You Guys Are Genius In Yalls Own Way ! You Can Tell You Guys Got Comfortable With Eachother And Becoming A Thing Little By Little. “In A Good Way” You Guys Are Creating A Resume So When You Guys Do Blow Up They Could See The Work That Was Put In !! 🙏🏽 👍🏽
Bro this is by far the best podcast because yall so relevant to modern mixing and not referencing to much to the old school ways of mixing, and yall like to introduce new plugins!! FIREEE! Highly recommend yall to all my mixing friends! Appreciate yall spreading the knowledge for real!
My master lately has been. Amek 200 EQ -> Pulsar Mu -> TDR Nova GE -> The Oven -> TDR Limiter 6 (compressor off). All doing something subtle but most the driving is in the Limiter 6. Can't speak highly enough about TDR Limiter 6, with the HF Limiter, soft clipper and limiter in it, took my mixes to the next level. I like The God Particle, but I prefer control. So I use it mostly as like a temp, set it and forget it preview type thing.
The double the limiter trick is sooooo useful. Use them like a la2a going into a 1176 on a vocal. And just recently learned about mastering into the limiter.
Cubase + FL Studio is the perfect combo. I can sync FL to CB and work in both simultaneously without having to bounce, export and import stems...👌 17:25 What you said about using saturation to create perceived loudness took the words out my mouth. Since giving more attention to my mixbus I also have a new found appreciation for parallel compression. There are so many techniques each producing their own unique sound.
ill be mixing and realize i have like 8 busses for everything and everything, from instruments to instruments with reverb to random delays to the fully wet signal of everything. busses are really just easier if your really trying to tame things. otherwise you default to just the inserts. i feel like once you know how to mix you dont try and do things rather, you think about what you want and use what you know best to accomplish that. like you hear a boxy vocal, its either eq or multiband comp depending on how clear the vocal is perceived, or if you have a dead mix throw saturation or tweak comp timings. its really just a mash of different techniques to mow the same lawn
Tony Maserati is a LEGEND BRO.. He was the man back in the day fellaz.. He was the one I use to just buy records just cause his name was on it.. Excellent podcast guys..
24:40 LOOk ahead function enabled , no problemo ; ) . The best EQs have lookahead which can be enabled from 1-20 ms : ) . That fixes the transient issue .
My mix bus changed over some time but I'm not gonna lie to ya'll lol I def got that God Particle on there. Personally, I throw the Waves Abbey Roads Saturator before it and I go from there. I actually like the limiter on the God Particle. Call me crazy, lol but I think it works better than the Waves L2 limiter(and I've always used that limiter religiously lol). I've even cranked the limiter way past the 5db standard mark and it still "sounds" forgiving. I'm def tryna keep learning with my master bus especially on achieving that loudness! Lol I probably shouldn't be worrying about this but I'm trying to hang in the loudness wars!! If Waves comes out with a "God Particle" like plugin, I'm def coppin LOL
Can we get a video on a 2023 Devvon Mix Bus? Hence the one you're mentioning? You are very very good at explaining WHY we do certain things and why we may not want to do certain things. I'm for sure curious on how one would use a 2 limiter set up. In terms of the God Particle, what I always try and deep dive to get answered is this. We know Jaycen Joshua mixes INTO the God Particle and touches nothing (for the most part) He explains this in his Tutorial video on his website. But my question is, is that the SAME file that then gets uploaded to a "Distrokid?" type company? OR does he mean to use the God Particle as a TOOL to get a good MIX (Hit all the greens in the UI) and then when you're done with MIXING, Then turn OFF the God Particle and bounce the file down. > then at that point would ready for the Mastering phase of things?
I have all my instrument busses going into a Submix, which then goes into the Master buss. On that Submix Buss all I have is some very light glue compression and a limiter.
I use a lot of isht.. I like God particle.. It adds something to the stereo field that I like.. But I also hardly use limiter because I get enough volume with other plug-ins.. Also black box is good with adding some air.. But as with all these pligins you got to know what it does because other things need to be adjusted like hi hats..
Im all about the master bus right now. I used to put a lot now I only put Studder A800 (UAD) and Pro-c 2 (fabfilter) or Pro-L2 (fabfilter) and those was recommended from Jaycen Joshua.
also, plug-in developers do mention not using higher samples rates unless you REALLY think you need it. JJP doesn’t even like sessions at certain sample rates like 48k. he prefers either 44.1 or 96 because he points out the sound difference with how plug-ins work with it. he even called 48 softer.
Have you tried Kirchoff EQ from Three-Body Tech? It has ‘mixed phase mode’ and have to say I pretty much don’t use Pro-Q anymore since I got my hands on it. Let me copy paste from their description: “The zero-latency and linear phase modes have a very different sound. Kirchhoff-EQ provides a mixed mode that uses zero-latency when the band frequency point is low, and uses linear phase when it is high. Each band could be changed smoothly between minimum and linear phase mode according to their frequency.” To me it’s like a combination of Pro-Q and DMG EQuilibrium and then some!
@@HelpMeDevvon That’s exactly what I was thinking! And I’m not gonna say anything else about it otherwise you’d think I work for them 🤣 100% worth checking out though!
@@boboyd4648 it’s been a while since I’ve done it but I believe it’s done through ReWire. There are some tutorials up on TH-cam if you want to see it for yourself.
Loving these videos guys. I listen to the pods whilst travelling & that alone has sharpened my music terminology. Please add time stamps to videos though 🤙
bruh, these discussions are hilarious...tbh ion even kno some of the shit yall laughin at but when yall start laughin and turning up i start laughin too hahah wtf. preciate u guys, Devvon- i have learned so much from you bro bro, thank u so much for the wealth of information youve shared over the years, i wouldnt be where i am currently if i didnt have YOUR channel to learn so much from. (and im barely gettin started.) i guess i gotta check out that God Particle shit now...haha thanks!
Not wanting to use super mode on Saturn also makes me think about how sometimes I will use no or lower amounts of oversampling cuz it sounds too clean sometimes if I go like 4-8x+ at the end of the day sometimes you gotta have that grit 💯
yo devon can you make a video on how you would go about it on your mix buss bro?? l have black box and alot of plugins but i don’t really know how to set it up on the master before mixing
And I do a lot of processing on each track so every element has its track with processing key to that sound and my 808 & kick go direct to the master bus always with key eq on each one with ott on most of my 808's with filter-ms distortion (auturia) but the 808 n kick chain changes up.
u also lose transient impact with true peak limiters as well so it may be beneficial to limit tracks groups or busses without true peak and ur master or mix bus with TP
i loooved the video. fun and full of great info. i have a curiosity Devvon, do you mix into the harmonic saturation plugins or you add them at the end?
@@HelpMeDevvon No prob, you guys earned it. I also posted your Rosetta eq to the ReasonTalk (ya'll don't show any love to Reason as a DAW.. it's literally the goat frfr) forums to help promote it and get some feedback from my fellow Reason heads. I'll comment on one of your later videos to tell you what people think, if they say anything.
GET THE HMD ROSETTA EQ HERE helpmedevvon.com
GET THAT!!! It’s dope and speeds up the work flow!!!
I def mess with the HMD Rosetta, salty I missed the gold version
Dope
If you're talking about the black box hg 2
I got it for free during the creation of the alliance
Time stamps would make this podcast 10/10
I’m always so sad when the good vid full of tips have none 😂
Watch it at 1.5x 😂 i be running through videos hahah
That will reduce their watch time because people will skip parts they want people to watch the entire thing.
@@PresidentProductions yes but if they want their pod to grow in the long run they should add time stamps
@Navid Chowdhury nah they shouldn't. Clips at most. They have to do what benefits the TH-cam algorithm or no matter how much you like them they'll be pushed to the bottom
Na fr as an audio engineer and a fan of Devon’s tutorials is refreshing to see discussions like these
Really shows the community
Facts we appreciate u commenting and enjoying the content!
28:14
That’s the reason why I say Devvon and the boys should be way up higher, many of the tricks I gathered over years and research I had professionally and charming out together over here at your channel.
Some just can’t feel what quality is, when it’s right in front of them. 🤦♂️
HUGE Thanks for keeping it up ! 🥳
And my two cents :
There’s many ways to Rome ✌️
This is my new favorite podcast. Just nice to listen to other engineers talking plug ins, mixing, etc. keep up the amazing work fellas! All the best 🤙
Also, every week before I go to the studio I listen to y’all and y’all get me so hyped to make music!!!🙌🎶
As an old school guy, Devvon, you are the one who helped me the MOST when I started getting back into music and basically doing everything in the box. Screw the haters. There is not a single tip you have given that didn't make sense, and didn't help me dial in my mixing, and quiet as kept, some of the stuff you given, made HUGE impacts on how I approach mixing for live sound! Especially when I get to use waves plug-ins with a live rig. You are killing it! Keep up the good work. Imma ride with you till the wheels fall off.
Love Y’all For NOT Keeping Your Secrets Like Most Engineer’s Do “But In A Good Way” You Guys Are Genius In Yalls Own Way ! You Can Tell You Guys Got Comfortable With Eachother And Becoming A Thing Little By Little. “In A Good Way” You Guys Are Creating A Resume So When You Guys Do Blow Up They Could See The Work That Was Put In !! 🙏🏽 👍🏽
Bro this is by far the best podcast because yall so relevant to modern mixing and not referencing to much to the old school ways of mixing, and yall like to introduce new plugins!! FIREEE! Highly recommend yall to all my mixing friends! Appreciate yall spreading the knowledge for real!
My master lately has been.
Amek 200 EQ -> Pulsar Mu -> TDR Nova GE -> The Oven -> TDR Limiter 6 (compressor off). All doing something subtle but most the driving is in the Limiter 6. Can't speak highly enough about TDR Limiter 6, with the HF Limiter, soft clipper and limiter in it, took my mixes to the next level.
I like The God Particle, but I prefer control. So I use it mostly as like a temp, set it and forget it preview type thing.
Spilling all the sauce. But oven is whack on some genres.
Lmao LJ went off at the end . We need more of that energy!
The double the limiter trick is sooooo useful. Use them like a la2a going into a 1176 on a vocal. And just recently learned about mastering into the limiter.
Coming back to this episode and being entertained the first time around, but actually understanding now is amazing.
Cubase + FL Studio is the perfect combo. I can sync FL to CB and work in both simultaneously without having to bounce, export and import stems...👌
17:25 What you said about using saturation to create perceived loudness took the words out my mouth. Since giving more attention to my mixbus I also have a new found appreciation for parallel compression. There are so many techniques each producing their own unique sound.
The Lords Mineral😂😂😂😂
ill be mixing and realize i have like 8 busses for everything and everything, from instruments to instruments with reverb to random delays to the fully wet signal of everything. busses are really just easier if your really trying to tame things. otherwise you default to just the inserts. i feel like once you know how to mix you dont try and do things rather, you think about what you want and use what you know best to accomplish that. like you hear a boxy vocal, its either eq or multiband comp depending on how clear the vocal is perceived, or if you have a dead mix throw saturation or tweak comp timings. its really just a mash of different techniques to mow the same lawn
My Master bus is...
1. Pro - Q3
2. Ozone imager
3. Shadow Hills
4. Sonnix inflator
5. Arc tg
6. Slate fgx
7. Pro L 2
These podcast title cards are fire! I’m happy y’all are growing and refining the brand. Congratulations!
“Put your dynamics to use, since you so worried about dynamics” is in the running for greatest rant of 2023 🤣🤣🤣💪🏾
I LOVE THIS PODCAST!!! THANKS FROM THE HEART!!!!!
My mastering chain: goodhertz tone control, ssl 4000 bus compressor, black box (or goodhertz tupe) and the weiss comp limiter
Tony Maserati is a LEGEND BRO.. He was the man back in the day fellaz.. He was the one I use to just buy records just cause his name was on it.. Excellent podcast guys..
Absolutely!
24:40 LOOk ahead function enabled , no problemo ; ) . The best EQs have lookahead which can be enabled from 1-20 ms : ) . That fixes the transient issue .
Everytime I get that notification I immediately tune in coz y'all giving away so much game! People need to stop sleeping on this channel.
"WORRY ABOUT YOUR DYNAMICS!!! THEY'RE MY DYNAMICS!!!" LMAO. I fucc'n dead LOL
My mix bus changed over some time but I'm not gonna lie to ya'll lol I def got that God Particle on there. Personally, I throw the Waves Abbey Roads Saturator before it and I go from there. I actually like the limiter on the God Particle. Call me crazy, lol but I think it works better than the Waves L2 limiter(and I've always used that limiter religiously lol). I've even cranked the limiter way past the 5db standard mark and it still "sounds" forgiving. I'm def tryna keep learning with my master bus especially on achieving that loudness! Lol I probably shouldn't be worrying about this but I'm trying to hang in the loudness wars!!
If Waves comes out with a "God Particle" like plugin, I'm def coppin LOL
the abby roads tape is a good pic as well
Mine
1. Digital V3
2. Hitsville EQ
3. PQ EQ
4. Tomo LISA
4(a) Kirtchov EQ
5. Amek Mastering compressor
6. God Particle
7. BX clippers
8. BX master desk pro
Average loudness -6.7 most ever-4.6
Devvon, the NLS BUSS is Dopamine. Thanks for putting me on to that.
Bro it’s so addictive seriously!!
This is my number one podcast of all time the topics in here are mind opening for creates and I haven't seen anything like it before
Can we get a video on a 2023 Devvon Mix Bus? Hence the one you're mentioning?
You are very very good at explaining WHY we do certain things and why we may not want to do certain things.
I'm for sure curious on how one would use a 2 limiter set up.
In terms of the God Particle, what I always try and deep dive to get answered is this.
We know Jaycen Joshua mixes INTO the God Particle and touches nothing (for the most part) He explains this in his Tutorial video on his website.
But my question is, is that the SAME file that then gets uploaded to a "Distrokid?" type company?
OR does he mean to use the God Particle as a TOOL to get a good MIX (Hit all the greens in the UI) and then when you're done with MIXING,
Then turn OFF the God Particle and bounce the file down. > then at that point would ready for the Mastering phase of things?
Softube Weiss mm-1 is the best final step on the master. It does like no other plug-in, except the DS1 three which it is modeled after.
Use it with bx master desk pro for loudness
I have all my instrument busses going into a Submix, which then goes into the Master buss.
On that Submix Buss all I have is some very light glue compression and a limiter.
I Fking love Black Box !!! I have been using Black Box for around 2 years and since then it never leaves my Master Buss
It’s odeeeeee
Great information! Glad you all created this and that you all keep it real.
That MPC + Protools combo BRO, I'm loving it.
19:55 Triple bussing. Good save with the pause on that one bro 😂🤣😆
I use a lot of isht.. I like God particle.. It adds something to the stereo field that I like.. But I also hardly use limiter because I get enough volume with other plug-ins.. Also black box is good with adding some air.. But as with all these pligins you got to know what it does because other things need to be adjusted like hi hats..
LJ is really crazy bro🤣🤣....but I love it! ❤️
LJ be having me weak bro. FL Gang 🤟🏾
My favorite new producer/music platform.
Started watching about a month ago, this shit so entertaining and also full of some gems. Thank u
Im all about the master bus right now. I used to put a lot now I only put Studder A800 (UAD) and Pro-c 2 (fabfilter) or Pro-L2 (fabfilter) and those was recommended from Jaycen Joshua.
also, plug-in developers do mention not using higher samples rates unless you REALLY think you need it.
JJP doesn’t even like sessions at certain sample rates like 48k. he prefers either 44.1 or 96 because he points out the sound difference with how plug-ins work with it. he even called 48 softer.
Yes!!! I seen that. I heard Joseph say 44khz was his favorite and that 48 sounded the worst to him. Very interesting take!
🐐 podcast 🔥🔥🔥
The legend 🙌🙌
Have you tried Kirchoff EQ from Three-Body Tech? It has ‘mixed phase mode’ and have to say I pretty much don’t use Pro-Q anymore since I got my hands on it.
Let me copy paste from their description:
“The zero-latency and linear phase modes have a very different sound. Kirchhoff-EQ provides a mixed mode that uses zero-latency when the band frequency point is low, and uses linear phase when it is high. Each band could be changed smoothly between minimum and linear phase mode according to their frequency.”
To me it’s like a combination of Pro-Q and DMG EQuilibrium and then some!
Wat?!!!!? That’s sounds crazyyy
@@HelpMeDevvon That’s exactly what I was thinking! And I’m not gonna say anything else about it otherwise you’d think I work for them 🤣
100% worth checking out though!
Love your podcast! Such much info I gain from it. Y’all keep it up!
You guys need to release more plug ins! 🔥 so many great ideas!
I heard Tony Maserati and a few others talk about doing little increments here and there to get a great mix.
The Lord's mineral 😭😭😭 The best podcast!
🔥podcast ….. the god particle is a beast …. THA LORDS MINERAL 🤣
In Studio One there is a way to use FL Studio like a vst so there less back and forth
Wow that’s interesting
Echo how is that?
@@boboyd4648 it’s been a while since I’ve done it but I believe it’s done through ReWire. There are some tutorials up on TH-cam if you want to see it for yourself.
I used so many Daw’s. I have decided to stick with one and do everything with it. Studio one V6….
LJ goated for “one gotta go” fr. 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Loving these videos guys. I listen to the pods whilst travelling & that alone has sharpened my music terminology. Please add time stamps to videos though 🤙
bruh, these discussions are hilarious...tbh ion even kno some of the shit yall laughin at but when yall start laughin and turning up i start laughin too hahah wtf. preciate u guys, Devvon- i have learned so much from you bro bro, thank u so much for the wealth of information youve shared over the years, i wouldnt be where i am currently if i didnt have YOUR channel to learn so much from. (and im barely gettin started.) i guess i gotta check out that God Particle shit now...haha thanks!
best pod on the planet fr
100 Percent FACTS on the Drum Buss comment Devvon!
this content and format is my favorite car ride listen. 👊🏻🔥👊🏾
Thanks for catching us on apple podcast and Spotify podcast for the audio listening experience!
I have definitely noticed less impact on transients w linear phase.
Not wanting to use super mode on Saturn also makes me think about how sometimes I will use no or lower amounts of oversampling cuz it sounds too clean sometimes if I go like 4-8x+ at the end of the day sometimes you gotta have that grit 💯
GOATED pod for musicians
@31:10 for the mastering chain
This was the best to watch 🤣🤣 you guys are classic hahaha
yo devon can you make a video on how you would go about it on your mix buss bro?? l have black box and alot of plugins but i don’t really know how to set it up on the master before mixing
Have you guys try Radiator from Soundtoys in your mix buss and I will say before saturation or just last in the chain but bruh Radiator it’s Fireee !
And I do a lot of processing on each track so every element has its track with processing key to that sound and my 808 & kick go direct to the master bus always with key eq on each one with ott on most of my 808's with filter-ms distortion (auturia) but the 808 n kick chain changes up.
Studio one pro in the building 😎
This is awesome, thank you for all your tips, helped me immensely with my mixes.
yeah i use 2 to 3 limiters sometimes depending on the drum bus and maybe hit like 2 db max
Cubase killer really like this name
You guys should start bringing on industry guests, ya'll got good questions we need answers for
Nice pod! God Particle is on every one of my mix buses too
Dope episode, full of knowledge and humour. Much love from México 🇲🇽
u also lose transient impact with true peak limiters as well so it may be beneficial to limit tracks groups or busses without true peak and ur master or mix bus with TP
I really don’t like the sound of true peak 😅 and I feel terrible saying thay
Love this podcast! Keep it up guys🔥🔥
Man this podcast is soooo underrated. Much love from Philippines!
Using a double limiter makes perfect sense. Everything is done in stages, bit by bit, brick by brick.
This is the best music podcast out!!
😂😂😂😂😂 LJ got Devvon cussing 😂😂😂😂
CLA-76 is so fire
Protools gang but I need y’all to check out Luna as well it’s dope too
This is my kind of podcast fasho
I use 2-3 limiters in my mixes.
Keep it up fellas. Digesting this good information
We need that mix bus chain on your store fam!!!!
Yea y’all would want that???!
@@HelpMeDevvon hell yeah!!!
"The Lord's Mineral" 😆😆😆😆
Love it guys
a bit more space for everyones opinion would be in place tho ;) Besides that, veryyy entertaining! Keep it up!
The comment....I liked. I subscribed. LOGIC PRO X PROPER
FL Shawty killed it at the end ol
Greg wells has plugins too
If u keep throwing game in these sessions I’m going to have to keep coming back!! More about that master chain 👀👀
Anybody saying that double limiter trick Devvon showed us is anything short of amazing is clearly an amateur. That shits a gem
That definitely happened. He spoke on it on his documentary
Man, I love you guys...
i loooved the video. fun and full of great info.
i have a curiosity Devvon, do you mix into the harmonic saturation plugins or you add them at the end?
LJs hate for behringer🤣🔥
Damn i seen someone with the gold edition. I copped the regular HMD. what's the difference? and why is it two version for a plugin?
Soundgoodizer jokes never get old 🤣
Best.. podcast.. EVER
Thank you for saying this!!
@@HelpMeDevvon No prob, you guys earned it. I also posted your Rosetta eq to the ReasonTalk (ya'll don't show any love to Reason as a DAW.. it's literally the goat frfr) forums to help promote it and get some feedback from my fellow Reason heads. I'll comment on one of your later videos to tell you what people think, if they say anything.
Lmao goddamn.. "that little chain" okay 😂😂 ima try it tho.