I've seen other sim racers do a more general style of review so I wanted to make sure my 'take' was that of someone who's making an upgrade like this for the first time. There will be plenty of people out there on Logitech wheels suddenly scratching their heads and wondering if this is worth it...so wanted to do my bit to help out 😉
@@DDFRacer Yeah I am curious due to the fact that I am using a 1.2 CSL myself. I have always ran it at a bit higher strength than base so it would be great to get that with the fidelity.
@@christopherlees3684 couldn't agree more. Every other review I watched was the same "well its not a DD1". Lol us normal folks without crazy sponsors don't even know what a DD1 feels like for comparison
Yes, exactly. I have a Logitech G923 and never had a direct drive wheel. I've watched other reviews for the Gran Turismo DD Pro wheel, but this review made me actually want to buy it.
Some iRacing tips: 1. Make sure “linear mode” is checked in the options menu 2. Press F9 when in the car, do a lap or so after which an “auto” button should pop up. Click on “auto” and it will set the correct ffb strength for the car / track. It’s usually different for every car / track combo and even changes with the amount of caster in the setup. The auto button let’s you use all 8nm optimally at every track.
Great to see you finally try out a DD. It's cool to see the excitement when noticing the differences from the Logitech. You're right though you have a lot of setup ahead of you! And this is the most plug and play DD there is 😂.
The prospect of a DD wheel has always been quite daunting to me, especially considering the amount of tweaking and fiddling that's usually required to get it up and running. I'm all for plug and play, just firing up the sim and going driving, which is what the G29 was extremely good at...however I think the next few weeks will include a lot of testing and playing around with settings 😉
Murki, thank you 😍 that means a lot to me! Cheers for the sub too, I hope you're enjoying some of my other stuff too. It's mostly livestreams but every now and then a semi-serious review or challenge slips in there too 😉
its kind of amazing what you get used to, ive been using a simucube 2 pro now for 6 months or so, a DD1 before that and the novelty kind of wears off after a while, you know its giving you detail you don't get on lower end hardware but it kind of just melts away to insignificance... that is until you go back to the low end hardware for a reminder, every now and then ill give my 6 year olds thrustmaster t150 a whip and its a nice reminder how amazing the simucube is and i suddenly fall in love with it again.
This is exactly why I'm going to keep the Logitech G29 on standby 😉 it's always nice to have some perspective and the option to switch back in the future if I need to. Apart from being a good back up plan in case of (hopefully not!) issues with the CSL DD, it'll also be handy for making more tutorials and FFB guides.
You basically described just about everything that kept us awake at night while being on our minds 24/7. We want this or that thinking how wonderful it’ll be when we get it. That includes cars. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it disappoints. After a while, though, it just becomes part of your life and it’s no big deal any longer. Then another shiny thing comes along and the cycle starts again.
I just upgraded this weekend to GT3V2 DD and CSL Pedals, from my existing Logitech G27 setup. I sent about 8 hours driving about adjusting settings and retesting, and I can't tell much difference between the two when it comes to FFB. Everything is updated and dailed in to what the settings should be according to different message boards. Although I did some mods to the G27 to remove the slop and get everything dialed in many years ago, I also made a few mods to the G27s pedals and shifter at the same time, but I wasn't expecting them to be on par with the Fanatec. You made it sound like it was going to be a huge difference in smothness and accuracy but I can't see that, I would say only upgrade when your existing kit breaks if you are happy with your current kit.
Very valid points, however I believe that not many people would be in your position having 'boosted' Logitech gear so to speak. They'd be coming from the stock standard experience, like myself a few years ago, which would be a bigger jump subjectively whereas it sounds like you've bridged that gap between the two. It also depends on what version of the DD you are using. I see you mentioned GT3V2 but that refers to the wheel, not the wheelbase, so I'm unsure whether you have the 5 or 8Nm version of the DD? For reference, the stock Logitech G27 puts out 2.3Nm so, either way, the Fanatec DD is stronger and _should_ also feel much smoother due to the FFB coming directly from the motor shaft instead of the gears and cogs of the Logitech. If you're feeling any distinct notches then that's a sign something's not right with your gear. With regards to the pedals, you've mentioned you're using the CSL Pedals which are not actually the same as what I'm using in this video (Clubsport V3 pedals). You don't have a load cell brake pedal which is one of the big advantages of the Clubsports compared to the CSL or the Logitech pedals, that honestly does make a big difference. Not saying that you're wrong when you're describing your experience, not at all mate, but I'm not sure if we're comparing like for like here 👍 either way I'm sorry that this isn't the big improvement you were hoping for.
For me, the best csl DD review out there, and i say for me because i'm also coming from a lower tier wheelbase (t300) and wanted to see a genuine reaction to such a big change, your reaction was the final kick that i needed to purchase the DD lol, awesome video man, cheers!
Thank you very much for the kind words mate 😁 happy to have inspired you! Even now, several months later, I still get a massive grin on my face every time I jump in the car 👍 it doesn't get old.
I know you have Fanatec products but welcome to Fanatec. This has been the best CSL DD video I've seen. Your excitement makes me even more excited about mine coming in November. Feels like it's years away now
The V3 pedals were a nice upgrade last year and really helped with my car control and consistency, but the CSL DD is more of an immersion booster and stability control than a laptime improver 👍 it adds so much feeling into the driving and really brings alive that excitement about sim racing again. I did a 90 minute F1 race at Spa in RaceRoom last night and every time I approached Pouhon I was grinning my face off underneath the VR headset.
To be honest it went on for a lot longer than I wanted despite my best efforts to edit it down as much as possible 😅 so thanks for sticking with it, glad you enjoyed it!
It's like I'm experiencing sim racing for the first time all over again, so amazing! That FR X-17 race at Spa blew my mind, I was actually getting giddy every time I approached Pouhon corner as I knew the aero was going to ramp up and it'd be a case of bracing the shoulders, leaning into the feedback and holding on for survival over the bumps, such an awesome feeling. The CSL DD is giving me a whole new appreciation for driving that I never would have experienced on the Logitech G29 unfortunately.
I think to this date this is your best and most fleshed out video so far. What a lovely journey to experience this new and exciting hardware with you. The enthusiasm in the intro alone, it's just like a child unpacking a Nintendo 64 for christmas. Thank you for this great first and second look on the CSL DD. All the b-roll material, the cuts, the memes and in general the high production value made this video seem shorter than it was because the time flew by watching it. I do have to admit that I'm quite envious now and I'll see if I can do the upgrade as well sometime. They will be probably sold out for a while but we'll see. My G27 has served me well over the past 8 years or so but it's time for something more advanced. And when that happens I know where to look for a referral link, hehe. ;) Also now you can officially say that you are sick of RaceRoom. I hope it wasn't anything serious. :D (Also sorry that it took me nearly two weeks to write this comment. D:)
I was worried the length of the video might put a few people off and become quite boring over time, so needed to make sure the editing was snappy and kept people's attention 😉 and a little meme here or there along the way is a good way to break things up too, as long as it's not too childish. About the wheel itself, yeah, the CSL DD is just...wow. I can't believe it's only been two weeks since this video went out, feels like so much longer and that I've done so much more driving than I actually have. I need to remember I'm still getting used to it 😅 but the feeling of the Logitech is still fresh in my mind and serves as a great comparison. If you get the opportunity to make this upgrade then I would thoroughly recommend it as it's breathed a whole new life into sim racing for me. Not that it was previously becoming stale, of course, but now it's like I'm experiencing everything for the first time all over again. I have a genuine sense of fear when approaching certain corners now as I know I'm going to have to grip up and hold on tight to actually make it through in one piece. Driving is _physically_ rewarding which is something I never got on the G29. PS. Still not sure what the sudden nausea was with the RaceRoom by the way. Definitely nothing to do with eating a full kebab and chips snack pack to myself and then physically exerting myself in an uncomfortable awkward seating position. Nothing to do with that at all...
Awesome stuff, hopefully it doesn't take too long to arrive! Nothing like a little pre-delivery binge watch to get yourself hyped up 😉 thanks for stopping by my channel and watching, really appreciate it.
First time I’m watching this channel but I am also upgrading from a Logitech G29 to a Fanatec CSL DD. Found this video incredibly informative and engaging! Cannot wait for my CSL to DD to arrive now!
Congratulation sir, you've just gone through every emotion a brand new fanatec user experiences. Excitement, clueless, frustration, disappointment, suprised, hyped, endless joy😂😁
I went through the same emotional process when I upgraded my pedals to Fanatec V3s last year 😅 and although the pedals made the biggest difference in terms of laptimes and consistency, this CSL DD made the biggest difference in terms of enjoyment. I grin in the face of Pouhon now 😆
@@DDFRacer same for me..when I got my csl elite, coming from a t150 the first track I tested it was Barcelona in ACC as it was the next aor race. And for the first time ever, I had fun sriving this track because I could finally feel the car which was so necessary at this track and changed my perspective on this track completly. And I also had a hard time upgrading my csl pedals to a loadcell kit...took me a few days haha
Congrats brother. Some restrictions on traveling have been lifted and good timing on buying the new wheel because now i am coming for a sleep over lol. Congrats brother happy for you
Thank you for the kind words mate, nerd and proud 🤓 although I honestly didn't intend for the video to go for so long! Even _this_ is massively edited down from the original uncut recording and I was worried that nearly an hour long video would turn people off and tank on TH-cam which seems to be going towards a more 'shorts' based approach but hey, guess I was wrong. No idea when my next upgrade is going to be and haven't really got anything planned but whenever it happens I'll make sure to go into the same level of detail again 👍
Ah thanks Raphael 😁 I'm working on it mate! Since making this video I spent a little more time and patience with rF2 and have it up and running now (finally) so will be making a follow up video at some point this/next week 👍
You have done the best job of describing the sensations of using this product. I am strongly considering upgrading from my current Clubsport wheelbase to the CSL DD.
Thanks for the kind words and glad my ramblings got the point across 😅 if you do decide to upgrade then don't forget there's a Fanatec affiliate link in the video description that will share a small percentage of your purchase and help out the channel at no extra cost or effort to you 👍
yeah i know you posted this a year ago so you probably wont see this comment. BUT I'm ordering one of these tomorrow for my new motion sim build. Been thinking about it and since it weights only 10# it's a direct replacement (weight wise) for my old CSL elite belt drive wheelbase. The Big boy DD's weigh in at 20# which is not what I'm after in the motion simulator, I'm trying to keep it light but super strong.. Redesgned my old motion rig into this new one just to give extra support for a DD wheelbase. I appreciate your 'first look' enthusiasm and straightforward comments towards downloading the firmware etc updates.. cause that always is 'sketchy'.. Thanks for posting this DDF.. DMAX
Hey man, doesn't matter how old a video is I still get a notification when I get a comment and will always get back to them when I can 😉 so thanks for watching and for the kind words, I'm glad my ramblings came in useful! I can confirm that even after more than a year of using the CSL DD (nearly every day) it still puts a smile on my face whenever I jump in the rig, the novelty hasn't worn off and it continues to bring an awesome sense of immersion and feeling to my racing. If you get one, you'll love it 👍 especially upgrading from belt driven. By the way, if you want to help the channel out at no extra cost or effort, there's actually a Fanatec affiliate link in the video description for when you place your order! A small cut of anything you buy goes towards the channel and will help fund future gear so I can keep on doing more videos like this 😁 cheers!
I do a fair amount of sim racing in my life and my only two-way physical connection to that is through my hands and feet. Kind of like the way the four tyres on the car are the only contact patch with the road, that's where all the information is transferred. When you suddenly swap out one device in your hands for a new and improved, much more powerful, much more detailed device then...yeah, it's like you're experiencing sim racing for the first time all over again 😁 and who wouldn't be grinning their face off if they had that feeling again?
Rangey's a top bloke, always happy to lend his time and help out, and the F1 style wheel is superb! He'll be happy tomorrow though since I get paid and can finally square him up 😂
great video Dan, probably the best 1st look video so far, really appreciate showing all the different sims. I am definitely sold on going the Fanatec route. Sold up beginning of the year but had the itch again immediately after. Wallet hammering incoming.
Thank you for the very kind words Stephen 😄 glad you enjoyed the video! I know it's a little on the long side, but I thought it would be worth doing a proper evaluation across a wide variety of scenarios. One car/track combo in one sim just didn't seem like a fair way of finding out what the CSL DD was like. I can only apologise in advance about your bank balance 😅
Thank you Perts, this is going to take some time to get used to and fully appreciate...even though you probably just watched me grinning my face off for nearly an hour 😆
DDF got a DD. Finally. Very informative review, incredible how your telling makes me believe on what to expect from something that advanced in technology. Though it will never be worth for me, way too expensive for what I'd use it for and for the limited amount of time I'll ever use it, I'm still excited to see your progress and step up from the Logitech troubles. And that makes me realize how much I'm missing out on the FFB range. The FFB update in Raceroom might've made a huge difference for the DD users out there whilst I was just fiddling around with my plastic gears and adapting to a different feel. The knowledge and variety of titles you've covered in this video is a great guide for people to see if it's worth the money when they're just playing TOCA2 most times. And I'm looking forward to your updated review of the rF2 FFB :D The amount of passion, time and hard work put into this video can't be numbered. It's always a great enjoyment watching professional content on my favourite topic of the gaming industry. Feels like watching a short film. Oh my, this is already your third most watched video?! Incredible how YT works
If I didn't have the channel to go with my sim racing then I probably wouldn't have purchased a CSL DD either. I used to take really long breaks between my races in the past, not because I wanted to, but because I never got around to it. Having you guys watching holds me accountable in a weird sort of way 😉 but one that I really enjoy. That said, it's hard not to be able to suggest this wheel base to someone who wants to step up from entry level since it's so affordable, although adding a wheel rim and stand into the mix make it slightly less cost effective... As for the video edit itself, yup a fair bit of work went into this one and for good reason. I know it would be quite a popular topic and it's currently bucking the trends for all my analytics in that it's getting _more_ popular the longer time goes on. Normally my videos plateau after a few days or maybe a week at most, but this one has an upward curve which is really nice to see but not entirely unexpected considering plenty of people are getting their hands on their very own CSL DD wheels right now.
So far are reviews are blown away by the difference in acc compared to a belt driven wheel. As this is my sim I can't wait for my csl dd to arrive.. a few weeks more
The jump from G29 to CSL DD was absolutely massive in ACC, probably one of the biggest tranformations. Although the jump from a belt driven wheel will be less noticeable it should still be a pretty good upgrade 👍
@@DDFRacer coming from an elite so it will be slightly less of a difference. But from what I have heard it makes acc much more communicative which is really great! Great review btw!
Thank you mate 😁 really appreciate the kind words! Although I can't help but try and think of Dwight quotes to reply with...I'm all out of ideas for this one though 👍
Don't think the Assetto Corsa part of the review was entirely fair: you were driving on a track ported from another game. Would definitely love to see a follow-up review using an "official" AC track, such as Monza or Spa. In fact, I would love to see a head-to-head comparison of similar tracks in AC vs. ACC . Anyway, enough quibbling. Great review, and I do appreciate the time it must have taken you to put this together. Well done!
@@DDFRacer I intend to do the same upgrade in the near future. Could you please tell me wich seat do you have on your rig ? I checked on the Simetik website and they are selling the rig without a seat.
@@HDRGamingHub I purchased an actual car seat from my local Autobarn store in Brisbane (well, not true, Mrs DDF picked it up for me👍 ) so I would suggest having a look around your local stores and seeing if anything is available. Even something from a wrecking yard or an old mechanic would do the trick.
Finally got around to watching this video. That's awesome mate. Glad you're enjoying it. DD is a huge step up from entry level, for sure. I had to chuckle about rf2. It lets you down every time 😂
Even now, a couple of months later, the novelty is still there and I'm still getting such a buzz out of the increased physicality of going sim racing. Every time I'm approaching a high speed corner and know it's going to load up the FFB on the CSL DD I can't help but have a little grin whilst I turn in 😁 it's amazing how much more connected I feel with the car now compared to the old Logitech G29. And yeah, rF2 being as consistent as always there 😉 I did eventually get it working after deleting the Steam folder and reinstalling and actually quite enjoyed it...but there's always going to be that lurking feeling that you're one mouse click away from the whole thing completely disintegrating.
Really useful video. I'm currently using a G29 and thinking of upgrading to a one of these new "cheap" DD wheels. This was exactly the video I was looking for
Cheers mate 👍 glad it came in useful! going from the G29 to the CSL DD was a massive jump and made such a big difference. Even now, several months later, I still grin like an idiot when the aero loads up through a high speed corner or I'm getting thrown around on the bumps at the Nordschleife.
What a magneficent review about csl dd, very informative and enthousiastic. Your channel deserves much much more followers men, always quality content. May I ask your pc specifications and your vr headset information because gameplay with your vr is soo smooth and I am thinking of getting a new pc for vr simracing. Thanls again for this channel and very good review
Thank you for the very kind words, I'm glad you found the video useful! As for my equipment, I'm running an Oculus CV1 headset and back when I made this video I was on the Nvidia 1080 card with 16GB RAM and an Intel i7-6850K 3.8GHz 6 Core processor. Since then I've had a few upgrades though and here's what I'm currently running: CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X / GPU: Nvidia RTX 3080 10GB / RAM: 32GB DDR4 3200mhz / MOBO: ASUS X570 PLUS WIFI / SSD: Kingston a2000 500GB / VR: Oculus CV1 / WHEEL: Fanatec CSL DD with Podium F1 rim / PEDALS: Fanatec Clubsport V3 / SHIFTER: Fanatec Clubsport SQ V 1.5 / BUTTON BOX: Custom made by Ed-Engineer / WEBCAM: Sony ZV-1 / PEDALCAM: Samsung S5 with Droidcam / SOFTWARE: Streamlabs OBS, SimHub, Crewchief, Vegas 17 Pro
The funny thing is that I originally had *SIX* hours of footage to work with. The fact I managed to get it down to 52 minutes say something about how long it took to get everything up and running 😅
On rfactor 2 you need to turn down or off the sound effect volume to get rid of the sound problem. You are correct that it is not car or track issue. The huge rattling sound coming from the DD was normal - you were probably on the gravel or you may have hit the barrier and the DD was just transferring that vibration to the steering wheel.
I think I've got the sound issue sorted now 👍 even though I turned the number of effects up from 1 to 64, a few people have pointed out that it doesn't take effect until I restart rF2. The huge vibration was not normal though, and that worries me a lot. It sounded very metallic and wasn't just the motor moving back and forth, it sounded completely overloaded and shook the entire rig. Man, it was *loud*. I didn't hit anything or drive off track, I just pulled the car to a stop in the pitlane in a straight line on tarmac and the vibration happened when I was slowing down between around 10kph to 0. No other sim I tried did this at any point 🤔 not even close...driving offroad or hitting the barriers in RaceRoom, iRacing, DIRT Rally 2.0, ACC or AC (and trust me, my driving was pretty terrible that day, I was doing my fair share of vibration inducing incidents 😂)
My csl dd does the rattling sound as well. Mostly when driving from off track back on track or experiencing a hard sudden impact ingame. Honestly I also dont think its normal. It really feels like it is hurting the wheel. Kinda scares me
The sounds coming out of my DSL DD sounds very similar to the sounds that came out of my CSW V2.5. I turn most of the game effects up very high so I feel they are just behaving normally. I would only worry if they are appearing at random spots on the tracks at very low speeds.
Congratulations Dan. Great video as always, really good and informative content. Nicely presented too. I like those "first impression" / hardware / setup videos of yours. It's what originally attracted me to your channel. Hope you'll enjoy your new toy. Looks like a great piece of kit ! I am in wave 2 , so hopefully not long till I ditch my Logitech too haha (I daily refresh the orders page to see if its shipped yet). I am so happy for you. No excuse now for when you bin it :)
Time goes so much slower when you're waiting for a delivery 😂 but I'm sure it'll be here soon enough! Thank you very much for the kind words as well, I wanted to make this as genuine as possible so stayed away from other reviews and avoided being swayed by what other people thought of it. In reality there was over six hours of footage to play with so I'm pretty chuffed I managed to get it down to just over 50 minutes, even if that's still a little on the long side...
Thanks for this. U have watched many dd reviews but all coming from a better wheel (dd1/dd2) like you I have mine on order and currently use a g29. So I can believe everything you say due to the fact you have never used a better wheel. 👌
Before getting the CSL DD, the Logitech series of wheels was all I'd ever known so every reaction you saw was 100% honest and true. Fanatec didn't pay me to make this video or send me a free unit either 😉 I purchased this unit as soon as I could place a pre-order using my own Fanatec account and money so as to be completely independent. When making this video I wanted to try and show people making the same transition what to expect and what it would be like and, by the sounds of it, my plan worked! Glad you enjoyed the video 😁 I hope it was useful for you.
Thanks for the sub mate 😎 much appreciated! My advice would be to upgrade the pedals first if you haven't already since they make a _huge_ difference. Not particularly to lap times, but definitely your consistency 👍 since you'll still be able to use the old G920 wheel itself. The CSL DD is an awesome upgrade, sure, but you wouldn't be able to use your Logitech pedals with it so it becomes a little bit more than just upgrading a wheel when you start to break down costs etc.
@@DDFRacer Hey thanks for the answer! I'm considering the full upgrade, wheel, pedals, shifter I'm ok with the overall cost ^^ My big compromise is that I have no room for a rig, but I have a DIY plan :P Keep it up love your content
@@DDFRacer I have a flickering problem on the Logitech throttle pedal now, so while trying to fix it, I also ordered the Fanatec Club Sport V3, starting my upgrade from the pedals, then will get a Next Level Racing Wheel Stand 2 and finally the wheel base, as you suggested!
Good news! It's not the Dacia Sandero...but since making this video I found a few hours to reinstall rF2 from scratch (and I mean remove from Steam *and delete* the whole folder on my hard drive) and it seems to be working okay. So far. Just a few runs in a USF2000 at Botniaring and the Formula Pro at Spa, but taking a GT3 or LMP2 around Sebring (like I've done previously in my online leagues) is a fantastic suggesion 😁 I feel a follow up video might be in the works...
as always a honest look at all the aspects of swapping/setup and impressions of the DD. They have certainly made a winner with that wheel! i dont own one,but i would recommend you try it withAMS2 [i know its not your fav] at bathurst with say the stock car ... or the nords with the Cadillac DPi. still enjoy and keep making great vids!
I know you say AMS2 isn't my favourite but it's been over a year since I tried it and, to be honest, it's been on my to-do list for a _long_ time now, especially with the updates they've released 😉 so I guess this is as good a reason as any to jump back in and give it another shot. People criticised RaceRoom at first but after a few years of solid development it came good, I wouldn't want to be 'one of those' who disregards it because of the initial experience and misses out. The potential was always there for an amazing sim 👍
@@DDFRacer good thing is we have choices with all the different sims,some do things better than others. after your 'scary' experience with RF2 ... i decided to give it a try [i havent played it in months] a tbh honest it does drive pretty amazing. But its plagued with load times as if it was loading from a 56k modem! still when your wheel emitted that buzzing/rattle ... i think i would have done what you did ... certainly not within normal parameters !
G29 basically forces you to learn via trial and error which is frustrating , whereas to me it seems DD shows you what the car is doing, so you dont have to guess if you will spin or not, you just know. Finally going from a G29 to the MOZA R9 base cannot wait to feel the details i've been missing and the silence free of g29 rattles.
The basic forces needed to control the car and react to grip loss can be felt through the G29, but the CSL DD definitely gives you a much better picture, particularly on the lower end of the scale when the forces are relatively small. You make a great point about the rattles though, that's one of the big advantages of moving away from Logitech gear...although now the entire rig shakes instead of just the gears in the wheel 😅
@@DDFRacer You're refering to "Logitech gear" in general, as if Logitech doesn't have a direct drive wheel. They do have one, it's called the Logitech PRO Wheel.
Really great video. I have a friend that has been thinking of getting this and he currently uses a G923. This will really help him. No matter how many times I have told him how much better a DD wheel is he doesn't listen to me :P Maybe he will listen to you lol.
Nobody usually pays much attention to what I say (it's usually just nonsense anyway) so you might be wasting your time there 🤣 but in all seriousness, the jump from Logitech to Fanatec was what I wanted to focus on here. There are plenty of other videos out there which showcase the CSL DD as a standalone unit, but it's a really nice option for people looking to upgrade so that's the angle I was going for 👍
Might not be possible on your rig/monitor mount setup but with the large distance between the wheelbase and the back of the wheel you can drop the monitor between them just above the shaft - and therefore have the wheelbase further away from you. If it's not possible to get the screen close enough to you, you might be able to jury-rig a monitor/TV extension arm to your rig so you can pull it in to position.
All sorted now David, I managed to drop the mounting plate down a notch so the wheelbase now fits under the monitor and can be pushed all the way back giving me plenty of space to work with. It made such a huge difference! I just want to keep on driving and driving although my neck and shoulders are having other ideas 😅
38:00 I'm also anxious for when I'll get my CSL DD and it will be time to try rF2. It's deadass the best sim out there when it works, the issue is that it almost never works properly! It's been out since 2012 or 2013 but it in many ways still feels like it's in alpha. Definitively going to be one of the last sims I'm going to try when I get the DD so to not ruin that magical moment with immense frustration.
So much of my life has been spent wasted trying to get rF2 to cooperate 😅 and sadly this video was no different. That said, I _did_ later try again by completely reinstalling rF2 and starting from scratch which seemed to do the trick. No idea why and I'll probably never figure it out but, hey, if it works then that's a good thing, right? If you want to check that out, I made another video specifically about this wheel and rF2 right here: th-cam.com/video/J8ZBzqZ1EJc/w-d-xo.html
I’m almost tempted to do a sideways move from my old V1 Accuforce DD wheel which sits about about 10nm for this base at 8nm so I can jump back into the Fanatec EVO system for the rims.
Having options for the wheels is super handy (no pun intended) 👍 and I was rather lucky to fall on my feet with both a formula style and road style rim. Between those two I think I should have everything covered hopefully!
i just did the same thing!! and the fact that fanatec's software is soo much better and the feedback is soooo smooth i just had to, i never used my accuforce at 100 percent anyways, and lowkey i always had problems with forza titles on the accuforce, feedback never felt right.
Great video buddy I’ve just ordered mine I can’t wait to get it and have a play I’m moving up from my thrustmaster tx so it should be a great upgrade I’m so giddy
Oh I hope so 😅 although with the CSL DD it would appear I'm not even getting to that slidey stage in the first place! Better to avoid it than correct it 👍
I wish I could get a g29 I've been stuck with a Logitech formula ex pro for 5 years welp. I hope you have a great time on you sim and continue the great content
It's a huge change mate! Did you find yourself feeling like you had to re-learn everything again when you upgraded or was it a pretty quick process and felt instantly natural once you got used to it?
thanks for your review, after much consideration i decided to make the leap and pre order the CSL DD with 8nm boost kit, McLaren wheel and CSL Pedals with clutch real excited for it's release in mid Nov, hopefully it'll arrive by Christmas lol
@@DDFRacer i'd like to think it'll arrive by then considering it launches on 12th November, gonna be upgrading from the G920 that I've had for a good few years now which I'll be looking to sell and recoup some cost
If my Simetik K2-R was easy to adjust then it wouldn't be so bad if I got it wrong, but so many of the parts are interconnected so moving one bit up/down involves several bolts, many of which support the weight of another part of the rig too 😬 trial and error can take a little while! It's all adjusted nicely now though and feels much better (and much more ergonomic) than when I recorded this video the other week.
@@SharikhKhan138 I cut stuff and then I put them together to build my rig base. At first glance, there is nothing wrong visually until i fit the seat and wheel then I know I messed up.
Ah thank you Franz 😎 not often I get called cool, so I'll take that one! I guess people have been making TH-cam videos for much longer than I have, and also covered more topics. I'm mostly RaceRoom (with the occasional unboxing video like this throw in too) so it doesn't really appeal to the majority of sim racers since RaceRoom is a relatively small market compared to, for example, iRacing, AC and the F1 series. I wouldn't mind making more content but I also have a full time job and real life stuff to take care of 😉 so my time to make videos can be rather limited sometimes...
rf2 is the kind of game that, even if you set it up properly and use it regularly, you have to prepare for SOMETHING to happen. Remember the Virtual Le Mans that happened last year where one driver had a crash on its rig and IMMEDIATELY pulled a backup rig to connect the sim with.
Oh tell me about it 😩 rF2 is probably one of the most time consuming and fiddly bits of sim racing software I've ever had the pleasure of using. So much time spent trying to troubleshoot problems that pop up for no apparent reason, although that said, I _did_ actually manage to get it working after a complete delete of the Steam folder and reinstall...the CSL DD was up and running! I decided to make an entirely separate video about my thoughts on that so definitely worth checking out if that's what you're interested in 👍 Oh, and that rig swap by Simon Pagenaud was rather epic stuff. I remember catching it live and was impressed with how quickly he was up and running again, although having to run the rest of the race with either no or full FFB (I can't remember which) for the rest of the stint would have been one hell of a challenge...
I deliberately stayed away from watching other people's reviews before I could try my own CSL DD as I wanted to make my video as genuine as possible. On the flip side I think that may have caused me to miss most of the hype (and the drooling 😉) but was totally worth it. I can't recommend this thing enough, it's like being able to experience the joy of sim racing for the first time all over again.
Sounds in rf2 will need bumping up to 64 or whatever the max is, and then a restart of the game to get it to register. Updates also coming to improve load times, yay! #justrf2things.
I want to like rF2, I really do...but it just makes it so _difficult_ some times 😅endless tweaking and fixing issues that pop up out of nowhere for no discernible reason. That said, the Formula Pro car looks incredible and really wouldn't mind giving that a go if I can get it up and running!
@@DDFRacer I had to reinstall RF2 because of an error I kept getting loading Nurburgring. That's the ONLY issue I ever had (VLMC excluded) in the sim in 1400hrs of play time. But weirdly having re-installed it, it loads faster. So maybe I had a lot of crap installed. I do LOVE rf2... when it's working. And 397 is having a tough time de-scrambling the ISI code. From what I've been told it's like Turing and his Enigma machine. Having Devin around is a big help though. Might be worth sending him a DM.
@@AidanMillward Yeah Devin's a treasure, he's always got time for anyone who needs a hand. Perhaps next week I'll bite the bullet and do the complete reinstall again, see if that kicks it back into life 👍
@@DDFRacer I have 100's of hours over the years in rF2 and I never have any issues. Always weird to see when someone has so many issues with it. I have a CSL DD coming in October so hopefully it works in rF.
Am seriously considering this. I'll get the boost kit later if needed. PS: It's good to see I'm not the only one that slams it into the wall on every single corner! LOL!
Thanks for the review. I just ordered the DDPro GT bundle for my PS5. I currently have a T150. So it’s going to be a big upgrade. Unfortunately it won’t come til Mar 14th
Congrats on the upgrade but wow, that's a long time to wait 😬 hopefully Fanatec have a few more wins in terms of shipping like some of the earlier waves and can get it out to you a little earlier. I've never used a T150 but the difference between G29/CSL DD was night and day. Even a few months later I'm still grinning my face off every time I race 👍
Man, for the feedback on the RSS hybrid 2021 version its totally normal RSS team never made great ffb infos on their mods, VRC or simdream have way better FFB feeling for everything ive tested. Other than that, excellent video, everything is out of stock ill just have to wait for my csl DD :/ The best review of it so far no 20 minutes talking of nonsense, only pure testing and reactions!!
Thank you for the kind words, much appreciated! To be honest I wanted to make the video _much_ shorter but couldn't really find a way to edit it down more, suppose I could have split it into several smaller videos instead but then I guess it would kind of ruin the flow 🤔 glad you liked it though! Hopefully stock arrives soon for you 🤞
In my opinion Spa is a smooth track for the most part and not the choice in AC to choose. I'd try Sonoma or the Glen. Even Laguna Seca is a better choice.
Good advice, I'll give it another go soon and try to get it a little more dialled in 👍 I really don't think I gave AC a fair chance in the video so once the wheel is set up correctly and I'm driving and appropriate car/track combo I might have to do a follow up 😉
That is a fantastic idea 👍 Beam.NG is one of those games that I have sat in my Steam library with criminally few hours. Just need to try and find some time from somewhere 😅 I would have included it in this video but it was more of a before/after comparison between G29 and CSL DD and my experience in Beam.NG was very limited so wouldn't have been a fair comparison.
Wow, that's going to me a _massive_ jump! You're honestly going to be blown away at the difference 😉 most people start on something like a Logitech when they upgrade from a controller, but to be able to go straight to the CSL DD, well...mate, forget everything you thought you knew about sim racing.
I really enjoyed the video mate, I'm waiting for my base to arrive like a kid waiting for christmas. One whole month left 😅 Watching you try Dirt Rally made me remember to get a round wheel. I only have the McLaren GT3 V2 wheel at the moment.
Have you ever noticed how time slows down the more you check for updates? 😂 The round wheel is definitely a 'must have' for the rallying though, glad I could remind you! I _think_ I remember seeing Moonie use a formula style wheel for rallying a while back although I could be wrong 🤔 but I can't imagine it would be very friendly for those fast and large opposite lock moments. As long as you keep your *THUMBS OUT* you'll be fine mate 😅
@@DDFRacer hehe indeed the time slows down. I've been checking for updates far too much lately 😅 yes that was Moonie that used that wheel in rally. Did not look easy 😂 If you stumble across Kartkraft considering a go. I think that would be brutaly good with a DD wheel. Thats one of the first things I'm gonna try when I got mine (after raceroom ofcourse)
Hey Dan another great vid, I went from a G923 to a CSL DD with the V3 pedals a couple of weeks ago now. Once you adjust your seating you'll settle in those aches will go. Couple of things i'd like to here your thoughts on.... 1) Straight away i plugged my pedals directly into the wheel base and with the brake force slider in the Fanatec setup software it changes the way the brake pedal feels being plugged directly into the computer USB - just in case you decide to go down this route 2) Does it make your lap times slower? I only have Raceroom but felt coming from Logitech to CSL DD with its FF strength at 100% was too much and found the effort to turn the wheel was slowing my input/reaction - which in truth does not matter as the actual driving is now so much more enjoyable Lots of learning and so much new information to process has made Raceroom a whole new game
Can confirm the seating position is all fixed now 👍 managed to drop the wheelbase down a notch so it fits underneath the monitor and sits further back. Much much better! To answer your questions: 1) I might try this in the future but I have access to the same Fanatec software brake force sliders that you do, it just needs to be accessed through the Game Controllers menu in Windows instead of directly through the Fanatec software. I have them manually calibrated to the forces that I apply, works like a charm. 2) Funnily enough, I haven't actually done a proper before/after comparison yet. Sure I tried the GT4 Porsche at Bilster Berg in RaceRoom that we used for Tuesday Thunder a few weeks ago, but I wasn't pushing anywhere near the limit. I might try that at some point in the next week or two so I can see how my times compare. I don't _feel_ like I'm as fast yet, but my pace in the F1 Spa race says otherwise I guess 😬
Yep, used my own money on my own account 👍 I made my preorder as soon as the CSL DD was announced and was part of the first wave of deliveries a few months ago. Fanatec gave priority to people who were already existing customers, and since I already purchased some pedals off them last year, that worked out very nicely indeed 😁
@@DDFRacer oh right. Forgot they are doing it in waves. I have mine preordered and goes out end of November, thought that was the earliest release but yeah must be the earliest release for this wave (I've never ordered any fanatec stuff before). Thanks dude!
Thanks for the video. I am buying this setup tomorrow. I use eye tracker 5 at the moment but thanks to your video i think i would like to try vr. What headset do you use?
No worries, happy you found the video helpful! Hope you enjoy the new setup 😁 and (shameless self promotion time, sorry) don't forget to use the Fanatec affiliate link down in the video description. Takes you straight to the Fanatec store and you can shop as normal, but a small % of your purchase automatically comes back to my channel and helps me make more videos like this. As for the VR headset, I'm using an Oculus Rift CV1 which, unfortunately, aren't made anymore. They're solid, although a little old now, but you might be able to pick one up second hand for cheap 👍
I’ve had a CSW V2 and DD2. I always left the sensitivity on Auto and never had issue with the wheel rotation. No issues with my SC2 Pro either. Other then rF2 and that was after the update when they made the new UI mandatory. Not only was the rotation messed up on the DD2 but the wheel would go nuts like it did for you. What a piece of crap game.
No other sim rattled the wheel like in rF2 and that scared me. The last thing I want to do is damage the CSL DD, although I really would like to see what all the fuss is about, especially the new Formula Pro car that was released 🤔 I feel like that would be something I could fall in love with.
I was wondering when someone was going to pick up on the t-shirt 😉 I doubt I'll do a stream but might post something in the off-topic section on Discord when I next get around to adding moar boosters. Haven't touched it in over a year though, just haven't had time, which makes me a little sad because I love that game...
Hello Danny i have found your TH-cam channel looking for fanatec clubsport v3 review And you have a pretty similar way to your upgrades than me I'm using my old g25 and Just bought the fanatec pedals and still waiting for the csl dd ordered the september 3 So your vidéos are gold for me coming for the same gears than me I'm suscribing cause you really have Nice content and bring some Joy in your vids keep going Sorry for bad english I'm french from réunion island
Your English is significantly better than my French could ever be 👍 so don't worry! I'm glad you found the video useful and you can relate to the upgrades that I've made recently. The pedals improved the sim racing experience by a lot, probably the biggest difference out of any piece of gear, and the CSL DD wheel just takes it to the next level again. Hopefully your order doesn't take too long 🤞 see you out on the race track in the future! Dan.
Ha yeah true 😅 it's definitely a bit more of an investment than the entry level gear but trust me, it makes a hell of a difference to the enjoyment you get out of sim racing! Congrats on the order by the way, I'm sure the kiddos would understand 😉
Very happy your experience is coming from a Logitech but I wish you started with the default 5nm brick to compare the force feedback strength with the Logitech because once you try something stronger you can’t go backwards
When you purchase the the Boost Kit they actually remove the standard power supply from your order, so you can only have one. It's a bit odd, because then you can't swap between them, and if you want to get both the 5Nm and the 8Nm you have to purchase the Boost Kit _in addition_ to the standard package and that's another couple of hundred dollars right there. I could always just turn the strength down as an alternative 😉 and to be honest, I probably will! I streamed a 90 minute F1 race at Spa in RaceRoom last night and I can definitely feel it in my shoulders today...
@@DDFRacer Oh wow, didn't know they flat out remove the default power brick since you are technically paying for it. You did mention that your positioning is off, so thats probably why your shoulders are sore
Awesome buddy! Glad to see you are happy with it, I'm really happy with mine, and will sell my DD1!😃👌 20:00 😅😂 A tip, if it works for you, I need a hot fix on mine. But you have 5 profiles on your menu button where you can save different settings and can switch between or change them on the fly, I always have one for rally with 540 rotation. One of the best feature with Fanatec wheel bases!👍
Yeah Sticky mentioned to me that you were thinking of selling up 😲 that says it all really about the quality of the CSL DD! Thanks for the tip on the profiles, I'll look into that over the next few weeks when my brain doesn't feel so fried and my stomach isn't trying to sabotage me 😉🤢
What what? How often do your G29 wheels usually last? I've used my G25, G27 and G29 for more than 5 years each before I upgraded and they were still running fine 😅 if I were you I'd double check that you're not running the FFB too high, clipping and burning the motor out perhaps.
@@DDFRacer Nah at first it was the paddles, than I got a 2nd G29 (2nd hand) within a few weeks the PS3/PS4 switch broke and with that it wouldn't work anymore, now I'm on my 3rd one lol. Must say I use the wheel quite a lot.
@43:17 Dan finally understands where i come from.Awsome Vid Dan Wish Fannytech would ship to NZ i'd have one of those wheel's.But you think the Extra $260AU for 8NM or would you rather the stock standard 5NM? My old TS-XW was 6.4nm i though that was enough for me! Just so awsome to see you finally get what some of us talk about now.Like a kid in a candy shop :D
Yeah mate, it's amazing to finally 'get it' when it comes to sims like iRacing and ACC...most of the detail just didn't cut through on my old Logitech G29 but now it's there in all its glory. Can't wait to sink some more hours in and get everything dialled in properly 🥳 In my opinion the 8Nm is a good strength. It's definitely enough force but nothing too crazy that'll rip your arms off, although longer races might get a bit tiring if there's a lot of high load corners. Better to get the Boost Kit because then you can turn it down if it's too much...although if you get the standard power supply and it's not enough then you can't turn it up to get more 😉
Just a Little correction it works perfectly fine with desks it is only 3 nm stronger than a g29 (with the boost kit) Just as you said it is more about the information not the force
With the Logitech G29 you're looking at roughly 2.2Nm of force, whereas the CSL DD with boost kit goes up to 8Nm 👍 so there's a fair bit of difference there. You'd still need some kind of desk mount even without the boost kit though unless you feel like drilling/screwing directly into the desk itself.
Nah it's officially released now, although they're only shipping pre-orders at the moment (I placed mine in June). If you buy one at the moment I think it'll still be another few months before they're available 👍
Still getting my head around AC to be honest 😉 I've hardly spent any time in it at all, only tried it out for the first time a few months ago. I'm sure the next few weeks will include a lot of Googling, tweaking settings and doing test runs 👍 and I've got no doubt after a little trial and error it'll feel amazing. What is this gyro setting you mention by the way?
gyro is not the seat of pants thing at all. gyro refers to the gyroscopic effect on the front wheels which gets stronger the faster they rotate, and it was not implemented in the default FFB, that's why the setting exist in content manager.
You're making pretty much the same jump that I did, so hopefully you have the same kind of experience too! Even after all these years since making the video, firing up the rig and using this wheel and wheelbase still puts a big grin on my face 👍
Ha sorry! Hopefully you don't go too crazy and it doesn't take _too_ long to arrive but, trust me, when it does you'll love it. Regarding irFFB, I still need to do some more testing as I really haven't spent too much time in iRacing lately but from my limited experience that plugin is no longer required. The increased strength of the CSL DD gives you a bigger range of force to play with which means you can feel the smaller details much more easily and get that 'Seat of the pants' feeling without the need for artificial boosters. Those details would get lost on my old G29 but, like I said, my running is rather limited so need to do more testing. Actually, I'm starting a new 6 week GT3 series in iRacing on Wednesday (and should be streaming it too) so that's the perfect excuse!
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Thanks Danny this is what we needed a guy who had never driven a DD to really give a review on the new system.
I've seen other sim racers do a more general style of review so I wanted to make sure my 'take' was that of someone who's making an upgrade like this for the first time. There will be plenty of people out there on Logitech wheels suddenly scratching their heads and wondering if this is worth it...so wanted to do my bit to help out 😉
Yeh. All the DD1 owners testing the CSL DD with a serving of bland enthusiasm
@@DDFRacer Yeah I am curious due to the fact that I am using a 1.2 CSL myself. I have always ran it at a bit higher strength than base so it would be great
to get that with the fidelity.
@@christopherlees3684 couldn't agree more. Every other review I watched was the same "well its not a DD1". Lol us normal folks without crazy sponsors don't even know what a DD1 feels like for comparison
Yes, exactly. I have a Logitech G923 and never had a direct drive wheel. I've watched other reviews for the Gran Turismo DD Pro wheel, but this review made me actually want to buy it.
Some iRacing tips:
1. Make sure “linear mode” is checked in the options menu
2. Press F9 when in the car, do a lap or so after which an “auto” button should pop up. Click on “auto” and it will set the correct ffb strength for the car / track. It’s usually different for every car / track combo and even changes with the amount of caster in the setup. The auto button let’s you use all 8nm optimally at every track.
Thanks for the tips, I'll make sure to run through those next time I'm in iRacing 😎
Huge tips thanks
Great to see you finally try out a DD. It's cool to see the excitement when noticing the differences from the Logitech. You're right though you have a lot of setup ahead of you! And this is the most plug and play DD there is 😂.
The prospect of a DD wheel has always been quite daunting to me, especially considering the amount of tweaking and fiddling that's usually required to get it up and running. I'm all for plug and play, just firing up the sim and going driving, which is what the G29 was extremely good at...however I think the next few weeks will include a lot of testing and playing around with settings 😉
This is the best csl dd review video on youtube. (ive seen them all) good work man! you've earned an instant sub off this video alone
Murki, thank you 😍 that means a lot to me! Cheers for the sub too, I hope you're enjoying some of my other stuff too. It's mostly livestreams but every now and then a semi-serious review or challenge slips in there too 😉
its kind of amazing what you get used to, ive been using a simucube 2 pro now for 6 months or so, a DD1 before that and the novelty kind of wears off after a while, you know its giving you detail you don't get on lower end hardware but it kind of just melts away to insignificance... that is until you go back to the low end hardware for a reminder, every now and then ill give my 6 year olds thrustmaster t150 a whip and its a nice reminder how amazing the simucube is and i suddenly fall in love with it again.
This is exactly why I'm going to keep the Logitech G29 on standby 😉 it's always nice to have some perspective and the option to switch back in the future if I need to. Apart from being a good back up plan in case of (hopefully not!) issues with the CSL DD, it'll also be handy for making more tutorials and FFB guides.
You basically described just about everything that kept us awake at night while being on our minds 24/7. We want this or that thinking how wonderful it’ll be when we get it. That includes cars. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it disappoints. After a while, though, it just becomes part of your life and it’s no big deal any longer. Then another shiny thing comes along and the cycle starts again.
@@nathantw absolutely right lol
I just upgraded this weekend to GT3V2 DD and CSL Pedals, from my existing Logitech G27 setup. I sent about 8 hours driving about adjusting settings and retesting, and I can't tell much difference between the two when it comes to FFB. Everything is updated and dailed in to what the settings should be according to different message boards. Although I did some mods to the G27 to remove the slop and get everything dialed in many years ago, I also made a few mods to the G27s pedals and shifter at the same time, but I wasn't expecting them to be on par with the Fanatec. You made it sound like it was going to be a huge difference in smothness and accuracy but I can't see that, I would say only upgrade when your existing kit breaks if you are happy with your current kit.
Very valid points, however I believe that not many people would be in your position having 'boosted' Logitech gear so to speak. They'd be coming from the stock standard experience, like myself a few years ago, which would be a bigger jump subjectively whereas it sounds like you've bridged that gap between the two.
It also depends on what version of the DD you are using. I see you mentioned GT3V2 but that refers to the wheel, not the wheelbase, so I'm unsure whether you have the 5 or 8Nm version of the DD? For reference, the stock Logitech G27 puts out 2.3Nm so, either way, the Fanatec DD is stronger and _should_ also feel much smoother due to the FFB coming directly from the motor shaft instead of the gears and cogs of the Logitech. If you're feeling any distinct notches then that's a sign something's not right with your gear.
With regards to the pedals, you've mentioned you're using the CSL Pedals which are not actually the same as what I'm using in this video (Clubsport V3 pedals). You don't have a load cell brake pedal which is one of the big advantages of the Clubsports compared to the CSL or the Logitech pedals, that honestly does make a big difference.
Not saying that you're wrong when you're describing your experience, not at all mate, but I'm not sure if we're comparing like for like here 👍 either way I'm sorry that this isn't the big improvement you were hoping for.
I have ordered a DD, great video, thanks!
Glad to hear the video came in useful mate and congrats on your new purchase! Hopefully shipping doesn't take too long 🤞
For me, the best csl DD review out there, and i say for me because i'm also coming from a lower tier wheelbase (t300) and wanted to see a genuine reaction to such a big change, your reaction was the final kick that i needed to purchase the DD lol, awesome video man, cheers!
Thank you very much for the kind words mate 😁 happy to have inspired you! Even now, several months later, I still get a massive grin on my face every time I jump in the car 👍 it doesn't get old.
i mean t300 is mid tier tbh, still belt driven instead of the gear driven g29
@@LetsPlayGamesRandom yeah, true, it’s mid tier, I was probably comparing it to the way higher level wheel bases
I know you have Fanatec products but welcome to Fanatec. This has been the best CSL DD video I've seen. Your excitement makes me even more excited about mine coming in November. Feels like it's years away now
The V3 pedals were a nice upgrade last year and really helped with my car control and consistency, but the CSL DD is more of an immersion booster and stability control than a laptime improver 👍 it adds so much feeling into the driving and really brings alive that excitement about sim racing again. I did a 90 minute F1 race at Spa in RaceRoom last night and every time I approached Pouhon I was grinning my face off underneath the VR headset.
I enjoyed this video a lot more then I thought!
To be honest it went on for a lot longer than I wanted despite my best efforts to edit it down as much as possible 😅 so thanks for sticking with it, glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for the review Dan, I'm hoping to upgrade my wheel soon, good to see you're happy with the jump from Logitech to the DD
It's like I'm experiencing sim racing for the first time all over again, so amazing! That FR X-17 race at Spa blew my mind, I was actually getting giddy every time I approached Pouhon corner as I knew the aero was going to ramp up and it'd be a case of bracing the shoulders, leaning into the feedback and holding on for survival over the bumps, such an awesome feeling. The CSL DD is giving me a whole new appreciation for driving that I never would have experienced on the Logitech G29 unfortunately.
I think to this date this is your best and most fleshed out video so far. What a lovely journey to experience this new and exciting hardware with you. The enthusiasm in the intro alone, it's just like a child unpacking a Nintendo 64 for christmas. Thank you for this great first and second look on the CSL DD. All the b-roll material, the cuts, the memes and in general the high production value made this video seem shorter than it was because the time flew by watching it. I do have to admit that I'm quite envious now and I'll see if I can do the upgrade as well sometime. They will be probably sold out for a while but we'll see. My G27 has served me well over the past 8 years or so but it's time for something more advanced. And when that happens I know where to look for a referral link, hehe. ;)
Also now you can officially say that you are sick of RaceRoom. I hope it wasn't anything serious. :D
(Also sorry that it took me nearly two weeks to write this comment. D:)
I was worried the length of the video might put a few people off and become quite boring over time, so needed to make sure the editing was snappy and kept people's attention 😉 and a little meme here or there along the way is a good way to break things up too, as long as it's not too childish.
About the wheel itself, yeah, the CSL DD is just...wow. I can't believe it's only been two weeks since this video went out, feels like so much longer and that I've done so much more driving than I actually have. I need to remember I'm still getting used to it 😅 but the feeling of the Logitech is still fresh in my mind and serves as a great comparison. If you get the opportunity to make this upgrade then I would thoroughly recommend it as it's breathed a whole new life into sim racing for me. Not that it was previously becoming stale, of course, but now it's like I'm experiencing everything for the first time all over again. I have a genuine sense of fear when approaching certain corners now as I know I'm going to have to grip up and hold on tight to actually make it through in one piece. Driving is _physically_ rewarding which is something I never got on the G29.
PS. Still not sure what the sudden nausea was with the RaceRoom by the way. Definitely nothing to do with eating a full kebab and chips snack pack to myself and then physically exerting myself in an uncomfortable awkward seating position. Nothing to do with that at all...
CSL-DDs finally shipping in the US, I'm watching every first impression video I can find! Enjoyed it.
Awesome stuff, hopefully it doesn't take too long to arrive! Nothing like a little pre-delivery binge watch to get yourself hyped up 😉 thanks for stopping by my channel and watching, really appreciate it.
First time I’m watching this channel but I am also upgrading from a Logitech G29 to a Fanatec CSL DD. Found this video incredibly informative and engaging! Cannot wait for my CSL to DD to arrive now!
We can wait for your CSL DD to arrive in the shelter. We’ve got enough food for 14 days. After that, we have a difficult conversation.
Congratulation sir, you've just gone through every emotion a brand new fanatec user experiences. Excitement, clueless, frustration, disappointment, suprised, hyped, endless joy😂😁
I went through the same emotional process when I upgraded my pedals to Fanatec V3s last year 😅 and although the pedals made the biggest difference in terms of laptimes and consistency, this CSL DD made the biggest difference in terms of enjoyment. I grin in the face of Pouhon now 😆
@@DDFRacer same for me..when I got my csl elite, coming from a t150 the first track I tested it was Barcelona in ACC as it was the next aor race. And for the first time ever, I had fun sriving this track because I could finally feel the car which was so necessary at this track and changed my perspective on this track completly.
And I also had a hard time upgrading my csl pedals to a loadcell kit...took me a few days haha
Congrats brother. Some restrictions on traveling have been lifted and good timing on buying the new wheel because now i am coming for a sleep over lol. Congrats brother happy for you
I'll fold the sofa bed out, how do you like your eggs? 🤣
@@DDFRacer haha good move. sunny side up please. But there is no use for the folding sofa. I will sleep on the rig
A very thorough, immersive review. You nerd 😂 Seriously, this is what we need in the community, details, details, details. Brilliant.
Thank you for the kind words mate, nerd and proud 🤓 although I honestly didn't intend for the video to go for so long! Even _this_ is massively edited down from the original uncut recording and I was worried that nearly an hour long video would turn people off and tank on TH-cam which seems to be going towards a more 'shorts' based approach but hey, guess I was wrong. No idea when my next upgrade is going to be and haven't really got anything planned but whenever it happens I'll make sure to go into the same level of detail again 👍
you sir deserve alot more subs! Great content, cant wait to have my CSL DD delivered.
Ah thanks Raphael 😁 I'm working on it mate! Since making this video I spent a little more time and patience with rF2 and have it up and running now (finally) so will be making a follow up video at some point this/next week 👍
You have done the best job of describing the sensations of using this product. I am strongly considering upgrading from my current Clubsport wheelbase to the CSL DD.
Thanks for the kind words and glad my ramblings got the point across 😅 if you do decide to upgrade then don't forget there's a Fanatec affiliate link in the video description that will share a small percentage of your purchase and help out the channel at no extra cost or effort to you 👍
buzzin for ya mate! welcome to the world of DD
Thanks Marc 😁 great to be here!
I'm coming from a G27. Can't wait. Just recently received my Mclaren v2 and CSL pedals and the CSL DD is otw. Thanks for this video.
I think you might enjoy it 😉 hopefully you don't have to wait too much longer!
yeah i know you posted this a year ago so you probably wont see this comment. BUT I'm ordering one of these tomorrow for my new motion sim build. Been thinking about it and since it weights only 10# it's a direct replacement (weight wise) for my old CSL elite belt drive wheelbase. The Big boy DD's weigh in at 20# which is not what I'm after in the motion simulator, I'm trying to keep it light but super strong.. Redesgned my old motion rig into this new one just to give extra support for a DD wheelbase. I appreciate your 'first look' enthusiasm and straightforward comments towards downloading the firmware etc updates.. cause that always is 'sketchy'.. Thanks for posting this DDF.. DMAX
Hey man, doesn't matter how old a video is I still get a notification when I get a comment and will always get back to them when I can 😉 so thanks for watching and for the kind words, I'm glad my ramblings came in useful! I can confirm that even after more than a year of using the CSL DD (nearly every day) it still puts a smile on my face whenever I jump in the rig, the novelty hasn't worn off and it continues to bring an awesome sense of immersion and feeling to my racing. If you get one, you'll love it 👍 especially upgrading from belt driven.
By the way, if you want to help the channel out at no extra cost or effort, there's actually a Fanatec affiliate link in the video description for when you place your order! A small cut of anything you buy goes towards the channel and will help fund future gear so I can keep on doing more videos like this 😁 cheers!
Hey Dan, I'm happy for you that you showed so much enthusiasm for your new super steering wheel, I wish you a lot of fun. Best regards, Chucky 👍
I do a fair amount of sim racing in my life and my only two-way physical connection to that is through my hands and feet. Kind of like the way the four tyres on the car are the only contact patch with the road, that's where all the information is transferred. When you suddenly swap out one device in your hands for a new and improved, much more powerful, much more detailed device then...yeah, it's like you're experiencing sim racing for the first time all over again 😁 and who wouldn't be grinning their face off if they had that feeling again?
Rangey is a boss! Happy for you DD. You definitely deserve this :)
Rangey's a top bloke, always happy to lend his time and help out, and the F1 style wheel is superb! He'll be happy tomorrow though since I get paid and can finally square him up 😂
great video Dan, probably the best 1st look video so far, really appreciate showing all the different sims. I am definitely sold on going the Fanatec route. Sold up beginning of the year but had the itch again immediately after. Wallet hammering incoming.
Thank you for the very kind words Stephen 😄 glad you enjoyed the video! I know it's a little on the long side, but I thought it would be worth doing a proper evaluation across a wide variety of scenarios. One car/track combo in one sim just didn't seem like a fair way of finding out what the CSL DD was like. I can only apologise in advance about your bank balance 😅
Thanks!
Thank you for the shout Derek 🤩 much appreciated mate!
So happy for you, congrats!
Thank you Perts, this is going to take some time to get used to and fully appreciate...even though you probably just watched me grinning my face off for nearly an hour 😆
DDF got a DD. Finally. Very informative review, incredible how your telling makes me believe on what to expect from something that advanced in technology.
Though it will never be worth for me, way too expensive for what I'd use it for and for the limited amount of time I'll ever use it, I'm still excited to see your progress and step up from the Logitech troubles.
And that makes me realize how much I'm missing out on the FFB range. The FFB update in Raceroom might've made a huge difference for the DD users out there whilst I was just fiddling around with my plastic gears and adapting to a different feel.
The knowledge and variety of titles you've covered in this video is a great guide for people to see if it's worth the money when they're just playing TOCA2 most times. And I'm looking forward to your updated review of the rF2 FFB :D
The amount of passion, time and hard work put into this video can't be numbered. It's always a great enjoyment watching professional content on my favourite topic of the gaming industry. Feels like watching a short film.
Oh my, this is already your third most watched video?! Incredible how YT works
If I didn't have the channel to go with my sim racing then I probably wouldn't have purchased a CSL DD either. I used to take really long breaks between my races in the past, not because I wanted to, but because I never got around to it. Having you guys watching holds me accountable in a weird sort of way 😉 but one that I really enjoy. That said, it's hard not to be able to suggest this wheel base to someone who wants to step up from entry level since it's so affordable, although adding a wheel rim and stand into the mix make it slightly less cost effective...
As for the video edit itself, yup a fair bit of work went into this one and for good reason. I know it would be quite a popular topic and it's currently bucking the trends for all my analytics in that it's getting _more_ popular the longer time goes on. Normally my videos plateau after a few days or maybe a week at most, but this one has an upward curve which is really nice to see but not entirely unexpected considering plenty of people are getting their hands on their very own CSL DD wheels right now.
Maaate, I'm still waiting for my CSL DD. Upgraded from a G29 too! Really excited :)
Hopefully it doesn't take too much longer to arrive 🤞 trust me, you're going to love the upgrade!
Ordered mine few days ago be here in January 😫 can’t wait that long 😂🤣
I can’t wait to get mine :)
Nice video!. Can't wait for my CSL DD to arrive tomorrow got it alongside Formula 2.5X rim and HE Sprint pedals
Nicely done 😎 is this your first sim racing setup or are you upgrading?
@@DDFRacer First setup, was trying it yesterday was good so far still dialling things in.
So far are reviews are blown away by the difference in acc compared to a belt driven wheel. As this is my sim I can't wait for my csl dd to arrive.. a few weeks more
The jump from G29 to CSL DD was absolutely massive in ACC, probably one of the biggest tranformations. Although the jump from a belt driven wheel will be less noticeable it should still be a pretty good upgrade 👍
@@DDFRacer coming from an elite so it will be slightly less of a difference.
But from what I have heard it makes acc much more communicative which is really great!
Great review btw!
Fantastic. The SIM support is awesome
Yep, can't argue with that! The majority of sims I tried just worked out of the box with no issues.
Just pulled the trigger on one and am so excited
Congrats on your new upgrade! Hope it doesn't take too long to arrive, nothing quite like checking the tracking number for updates every few hours 😉
@@DDFRacer ya I live in Canada so might take a bit to get through customs but so excited to finally try sd
Nice vid,encoutering all hurdles all of use mere mortals would upon getting these
I am a mere mortal just like everyone else mate 👍 and trust me, if there are hurdles then I'll be sure to find them!
Fantastic review Danny! Absolutely loved it!
Thank you mate 😁 really appreciate the kind words! Although I can't help but try and think of Dwight quotes to reply with...I'm all out of ideas for this one though 👍
@@DDFRacer I’m telling Michael that your reviews are the best… MICHAEL!
Don't think the Assetto Corsa part of the review was entirely fair: you were driving on a track ported from another game. Would definitely love to see a follow-up review using an "official" AC track, such as Monza or Spa. In fact, I would love to see a head-to-head comparison of similar tracks in AC vs. ACC .
Anyway, enough quibbling. Great review, and I do appreciate the time it must have taken you to put this together. Well done!
I thought the same too, so immediately followed up with another test of the same car at Spa like you said 😉
Wow. I am so happy for you mate. Great review !
Cheers SKY 😎 it's like experiencing sim racing for the first time all over again!
@@DDFRacer I intend to do the same upgrade in the near future. Could you please tell me wich seat do you have on your rig ? I checked on the Simetik website and they are selling the rig without a seat.
@@HDRGamingHub I purchased an actual car seat from my local Autobarn store in Brisbane (well, not true, Mrs DDF picked it up for me👍 ) so I would suggest having a look around your local stores and seeing if anything is available. Even something from a wrecking yard or an old mechanic would do the trick.
@@DDFRacer Cool . Can you tell me from wich car is the seat you have ? I want to buy the exact seat so i don't have fitting issues.
Finally got around to watching this video. That's awesome mate. Glad you're enjoying it. DD is a huge step up from entry level, for sure.
I had to chuckle about rf2. It lets you down every time 😂
Even now, a couple of months later, the novelty is still there and I'm still getting such a buzz out of the increased physicality of going sim racing. Every time I'm approaching a high speed corner and know it's going to load up the FFB on the CSL DD I can't help but have a little grin whilst I turn in 😁 it's amazing how much more connected I feel with the car now compared to the old Logitech G29.
And yeah, rF2 being as consistent as always there 😉 I did eventually get it working after deleting the Steam folder and reinstalling and actually quite enjoyed it...but there's always going to be that lurking feeling that you're one mouse click away from the whole thing completely disintegrating.
This is how I felt when I upgraded to the dd pro from playing on the pad 😂 Changed everything
It's an absolute world of difference eh? Takes it from "yeah I'm playing a game" to "holy sh*t I think I'm driving a car!" 🤣
Really useful video. I'm currently using a G29 and thinking of upgrading to a one of these new "cheap" DD wheels. This was exactly the video I was looking for
Cheers mate 👍 glad it came in useful! going from the G29 to the CSL DD was a massive jump and made such a big difference. Even now, several months later, I still grin like an idiot when the aero loads up through a high speed corner or I'm getting thrown around on the bumps at the Nordschleife.
A good upgrade indeed Daniel, have fun with it!
Oh trust me 🤩 I most certainly am!
What a magneficent review about csl dd, very informative and enthousiastic. Your channel deserves much much more followers men, always quality content. May I ask your pc specifications and your vr headset information because gameplay with your vr is soo smooth and I am thinking of getting a new pc for vr simracing. Thanls again for this channel and very good review
Thank you for the very kind words, I'm glad you found the video useful! As for my equipment, I'm running an Oculus CV1 headset and back when I made this video I was on the Nvidia 1080 card with 16GB RAM and an Intel i7-6850K 3.8GHz 6 Core processor. Since then I've had a few upgrades though and here's what I'm currently running:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X / GPU: Nvidia RTX 3080 10GB / RAM: 32GB DDR4 3200mhz / MOBO: ASUS X570 PLUS WIFI / SSD: Kingston a2000 500GB / VR: Oculus CV1 / WHEEL: Fanatec CSL DD with Podium F1 rim / PEDALS: Fanatec Clubsport V3 / SHIFTER: Fanatec Clubsport SQ V 1.5 / BUTTON BOX: Custom made by Ed-Engineer / WEBCAM: Sony ZV-1 / PEDALCAM: Samsung S5 with Droidcam / SOFTWARE: Streamlabs OBS, SimHub, Crewchief, Vegas 17 Pro
thats what i call proper in detail review. not these other clowns seating in front of camera not giving you informations you need
The funny thing is that I originally had *SIX* hours of footage to work with. The fact I managed to get it down to 52 minutes say something about how long it took to get everything up and running 😅
Welcome to the dd family.
Thanks Shaun, great to be here 😎 can't wait to get _(many)_ more laps under my belt and really get to grips with this thing. Pun completely intended.
On rfactor 2 you need to turn down or off the sound effect volume to get rid of the sound problem. You are correct that it is not car or track issue. The huge rattling sound coming from the DD was normal - you were probably on the gravel or you may have hit the barrier and the DD was just transferring that vibration to the steering wheel.
I think I've got the sound issue sorted now 👍 even though I turned the number of effects up from 1 to 64, a few people have pointed out that it doesn't take effect until I restart rF2.
The huge vibration was not normal though, and that worries me a lot. It sounded very metallic and wasn't just the motor moving back and forth, it sounded completely overloaded and shook the entire rig. Man, it was *loud*. I didn't hit anything or drive off track, I just pulled the car to a stop in the pitlane in a straight line on tarmac and the vibration happened when I was slowing down between around 10kph to 0. No other sim I tried did this at any point 🤔 not even close...driving offroad or hitting the barriers in RaceRoom, iRacing, DIRT Rally 2.0, ACC or AC (and trust me, my driving was pretty terrible that day, I was doing my fair share of vibration inducing incidents 😂)
@@DDFRacer Should be hub sound. lt's fanatec quick release hub issue.
My csl dd does the rattling sound as well. Mostly when driving from off track back on track or experiencing a hard sudden impact ingame. Honestly I also dont think its normal. It really feels like it is hurting the wheel. Kinda scares me
The sounds coming out of my DSL DD sounds very similar to the sounds that came out of my CSW V2.5. I turn most of the game effects up very high so I feel they are just behaving normally. I would only worry if they are appearing at random spots on the tracks at very low speeds.
Congratulations Dan. Great video as always, really good and informative content. Nicely presented too. I like those "first impression" / hardware / setup videos of yours. It's what originally attracted me to your channel. Hope you'll enjoy your new toy. Looks like a great piece of kit ! I am in wave 2 , so hopefully not long till I ditch my Logitech too haha (I daily refresh the orders page to see if its shipped yet). I am so happy for you. No excuse now for when you bin it :)
Time goes so much slower when you're waiting for a delivery 😂 but I'm sure it'll be here soon enough! Thank you very much for the kind words as well, I wanted to make this as genuine as possible so stayed away from other reviews and avoided being swayed by what other people thought of it. In reality there was over six hours of footage to play with so I'm pretty chuffed I managed to get it down to just over 50 minutes, even if that's still a little on the long side...
Thanks for this. U have watched many dd reviews but all coming from a better wheel (dd1/dd2) like you I have mine on order and currently use a g29. So I can believe everything you say due to the fact you have never used a better wheel. 👌
Before getting the CSL DD, the Logitech series of wheels was all I'd ever known so every reaction you saw was 100% honest and true. Fanatec didn't pay me to make this video or send me a free unit either 😉 I purchased this unit as soon as I could place a pre-order using my own Fanatec account and money so as to be completely independent. When making this video I wanted to try and show people making the same transition what to expect and what it would be like and, by the sounds of it, my plan worked! Glad you enjoyed the video 😁 I hope it was useful for you.
@@DDFRacer every much so. Now I can not wait for mine to arrive next month (finger's crossed). New fan right here. Keep up the great content
Good luck navigating their site and assembling a pack, my god!
Can't say I've used their site for a while to be honest, is it that bad?
I am considering the same upgrade from G920 to Fanatek CSL DD, great video, also first video i've watched here and I subbed
Thanks for the sub mate 😎 much appreciated! My advice would be to upgrade the pedals first if you haven't already since they make a _huge_ difference. Not particularly to lap times, but definitely your consistency 👍 since you'll still be able to use the old G920 wheel itself. The CSL DD is an awesome upgrade, sure, but you wouldn't be able to use your Logitech pedals with it so it becomes a little bit more than just upgrading a wheel when you start to break down costs etc.
@@DDFRacer Hey thanks for the answer! I'm considering the full upgrade, wheel, pedals, shifter I'm ok with the overall cost ^^ My big compromise is that I have no room for a rig, but I have a DIY plan :P Keep it up love your content
@@DDFRacer I have a flickering problem on the Logitech throttle pedal now, so while trying to fix it, I also ordered the Fanatec Club Sport V3, starting my upgrade from the pedals, then will get a Next Level Racing Wheel Stand 2 and finally the wheel base, as you suggested!
Awesome review! I’m just gonna drool over yours in all you vids until mine arrives lol
I'm not quite sure if it's waterproof mate, so try not to drool _too_ heavily 😅
Great fun seeing your enthusiasm, mate! Try and race Sebring on rFactor 2. You will experience muscles you never knew you had ;)
Good news! It's not the Dacia Sandero...but since making this video I found a few hours to reinstall rF2 from scratch (and I mean remove from Steam *and delete* the whole folder on my hard drive) and it seems to be working okay. So far. Just a few runs in a USF2000 at Botniaring and the Formula Pro at Spa, but taking a GT3 or LMP2 around Sebring (like I've done previously in my online leagues) is a fantastic suggesion 😁 I feel a follow up video might be in the works...
as always a honest look at all the aspects of swapping/setup and impressions of the DD.
They have certainly made a winner with that wheel!
i dont own one,but i would recommend you try it withAMS2 [i know its not your fav]
at bathurst with say the stock car ... or the nords with the Cadillac DPi.
still enjoy and keep making great vids!
I know you say AMS2 isn't my favourite but it's been over a year since I tried it and, to be honest, it's been on my to-do list for a _long_ time now, especially with the updates they've released 😉 so I guess this is as good a reason as any to jump back in and give it another shot. People criticised RaceRoom at first but after a few years of solid development it came good, I wouldn't want to be 'one of those' who disregards it because of the initial experience and misses out. The potential was always there for an amazing sim 👍
@@DDFRacer good thing is we have choices with all the different sims,some do things better than others.
after your 'scary' experience with RF2 ... i decided to give it a try [i havent played it in months] a tbh honest it does drive pretty amazing.
But its plagued with load times as if it was loading from a 56k modem!
still when your wheel emitted that buzzing/rattle ... i think i would have done what you did ... certainly not within normal parameters !
G29 basically forces you to learn via trial and error which is frustrating , whereas to me it seems DD shows you what the car is doing, so you dont have to guess if you will spin or not, you just know. Finally going from a G29 to the MOZA R9 base cannot wait to feel the details i've been missing and the silence free of g29 rattles.
The basic forces needed to control the car and react to grip loss can be felt through the G29, but the CSL DD definitely gives you a much better picture, particularly on the lower end of the scale when the forces are relatively small. You make a great point about the rattles though, that's one of the big advantages of moving away from Logitech gear...although now the entire rig shakes instead of just the gears in the wheel 😅
@@DDFRacer You're refering to "Logitech gear" in general, as if Logitech doesn't have a direct drive wheel. They do have one, it's called the Logitech PRO Wheel.
@@Rhadoo89 they didn't when I made this video a few years ago 🤔
Really great video. I have a friend that has been thinking of getting this and he currently uses a G923. This will really help him. No matter how many times I have told him how much better a DD wheel is he doesn't listen to me :P Maybe he will listen to you lol.
Nobody usually pays much attention to what I say (it's usually just nonsense anyway) so you might be wasting your time there 🤣 but in all seriousness, the jump from Logitech to Fanatec was what I wanted to focus on here. There are plenty of other videos out there which showcase the CSL DD as a standalone unit, but it's a really nice option for people looking to upgrade so that's the angle I was going for 👍
Might not be possible on your rig/monitor mount setup but with the large distance between the wheelbase and the back of the wheel you can drop the monitor between them just above the shaft - and therefore have the wheelbase further away from you. If it's not possible to get the screen close enough to you, you might be able to jury-rig a monitor/TV extension arm to your rig so you can pull it in to position.
All sorted now David, I managed to drop the mounting plate down a notch so the wheelbase now fits under the monitor and can be pushed all the way back giving me plenty of space to work with. It made such a huge difference! I just want to keep on driving and driving although my neck and shoulders are having other ideas 😅
38:00 I'm also anxious for when I'll get my CSL DD and it will be time to try rF2. It's deadass the best sim out there when it works, the issue is that it almost never works properly! It's been out since 2012 or 2013 but it in many ways still feels like it's in alpha. Definitively going to be one of the last sims I'm going to try when I get the DD so to not ruin that magical moment with immense frustration.
So much of my life has been spent wasted trying to get rF2 to cooperate 😅 and sadly this video was no different. That said, I _did_ later try again by completely reinstalling rF2 and starting from scratch which seemed to do the trick. No idea why and I'll probably never figure it out but, hey, if it works then that's a good thing, right? If you want to check that out, I made another video specifically about this wheel and rF2 right here: th-cam.com/video/J8ZBzqZ1EJc/w-d-xo.html
I’m almost tempted to do a sideways move from my old V1 Accuforce DD wheel which sits about about 10nm for this base at 8nm so I can jump back into the Fanatec EVO system for the rims.
Having options for the wheels is super handy (no pun intended) 👍 and I was rather lucky to fall on my feet with both a formula style and road style rim. Between those two I think I should have everything covered hopefully!
send it to me brah!?
i just did the same thing!! and the fact that fanatec's software is soo much better and the feedback is soooo smooth i just had to, i never used my accuforce at 100 percent anyways, and lowkey i always had problems with forza titles on the accuforce, feedback never felt right.
Great video buddy I’ve just ordered mine I can’t wait to get it and have a play I’m moving up from my thrustmaster tx so it should be a great upgrade I’m so giddy
Awesome stuff, congrats on the upgrade! The painful part is now waiting for it to arrive 😆
@@DDFRacer your not kidding buddyi here there not the fastest or best on delivery. I’m only using it on the Xbox but I can’t wait
Nice one Dan you'll be able to catch most of those unwanted slides now 👍
Oh I hope so 😅 although with the CSL DD it would appear I'm not even getting to that slidey stage in the first place! Better to avoid it than correct it 👍
Looking forward to more iRacing videos!
You and me both mate, just need to make the time for them! The desire is there but I've just had other things higher up the list recently 😅
I wish I could get a g29 I've been stuck with a Logitech formula ex pro for 5 years welp. I hope you have a great time on you sim and continue the great content
Thanks for the kind words, and I'm sure there's a G29 out there for you somewhere mate 👍
Enjoy your new wheel base and wheels i was like you came from a G29 it really is a big game changer when racing i use the V2.5 CSW
It's a huge change mate! Did you find yourself feeling like you had to re-learn everything again when you upgraded or was it a pretty quick process and felt instantly natural once you got used to it?
thanks for your review, after much consideration i decided to make the leap and pre order the CSL DD with 8nm boost kit, McLaren wheel and CSL Pedals with clutch
real excited for it's release in mid Nov, hopefully it'll arrive by Christmas lol
Oh nice 😍 congratulations mate, you won't be disappointed! I would certainly hope that Fanatec can keep up with the orders in time for Christmas 🤞
@@DDFRacer i'd like to think it'll arrive by then considering it launches on 12th November, gonna be upgrading from the G920 that I've had for a good few years now which I'll be looking to sell and recoup some cost
Pretending to hold a wheel when mounting is sooo relatable, especially when I have a diy rig where things are all slightly miscalculated 😭😂
If my Simetik K2-R was easy to adjust then it wouldn't be so bad if I got it wrong, but so many of the parts are interconnected so moving one bit up/down involves several bolts, many of which support the weight of another part of the rig too 😬 trial and error can take a little while! It's all adjusted nicely now though and feels much better (and much more ergonomic) than when I recorded this video the other week.
Okayt, but... define "slightly miscalculated", LoL?
@@SharikhKhan138 I cut stuff and then I put them together to build my rig base. At first glance, there is nothing wrong visually until i fit the seat and wheel then I know I messed up.
Warum hat der coole Typ nur 5k Subs? Dude you are to intelligent for the youtube game.
Ah thank you Franz 😎 not often I get called cool, so I'll take that one! I guess people have been making TH-cam videos for much longer than I have, and also covered more topics. I'm mostly RaceRoom (with the occasional unboxing video like this throw in too) so it doesn't really appeal to the majority of sim racers since RaceRoom is a relatively small market compared to, for example, iRacing, AC and the F1 series. I wouldn't mind making more content but I also have a full time job and real life stuff to take care of 😉 so my time to make videos can be rather limited sometimes...
rf2 is the kind of game that, even if you set it up properly and use it regularly, you have to prepare for SOMETHING to happen.
Remember the Virtual Le Mans that happened last year where one driver had a crash on its rig and IMMEDIATELY pulled a backup rig to connect the sim with.
Oh tell me about it 😩 rF2 is probably one of the most time consuming and fiddly bits of sim racing software I've ever had the pleasure of using. So much time spent trying to troubleshoot problems that pop up for no apparent reason, although that said, I _did_ actually manage to get it working after a complete delete of the Steam folder and reinstall...the CSL DD was up and running! I decided to make an entirely separate video about my thoughts on that so definitely worth checking out if that's what you're interested in 👍
Oh, and that rig swap by Simon Pagenaud was rather epic stuff. I remember catching it live and was impressed with how quickly he was up and running again, although having to run the rest of the race with either no or full FFB (I can't remember which) for the rest of the stint would have been one hell of a challenge...
Wow dude your now an official TH-cam sim racer with the DD wheel 😂😂😂 I'm so jellous rn 😭
Don't let the upgrades fool you mate, I'm still the same idiot as before 😉
oh my! i´m drooling for one..
I deliberately stayed away from watching other people's reviews before I could try my own CSL DD as I wanted to make my video as genuine as possible. On the flip side I think that may have caused me to miss most of the hype (and the drooling 😉) but was totally worth it. I can't recommend this thing enough, it's like being able to experience the joy of sim racing for the first time all over again.
@@DDFRacer okay bro.. I will work double Shifts to get one.
❤️❤️❤️so pleased for you 🤙welcome to the world of Direct drive 🤤🤤🤤
Awhythankyou Scoobs, it's great to be here! Can't wait to get some more races under my belt and really get a proper feel for this thing 😁
Sounds in rf2 will need bumping up to 64 or whatever the max is, and then a restart of the game to get it to register. Updates also coming to improve load times, yay!
#justrf2things.
I want to like rF2, I really do...but it just makes it so _difficult_ some times 😅endless tweaking and fixing issues that pop up out of nowhere for no discernible reason. That said, the Formula Pro car looks incredible and really wouldn't mind giving that a go if I can get it up and running!
@@DDFRacer I had to reinstall RF2 because of an error I kept getting loading Nurburgring. That's the ONLY issue I ever had (VLMC excluded) in the sim in 1400hrs of play time. But weirdly having re-installed it, it loads faster. So maybe I had a lot of crap installed.
I do LOVE rf2... when it's working. And 397 is having a tough time de-scrambling the ISI code. From what I've been told it's like Turing and his Enigma machine.
Having Devin around is a big help though. Might be worth sending him a DM.
@@AidanMillward Yeah Devin's a treasure, he's always got time for anyone who needs a hand. Perhaps next week I'll bite the bullet and do the complete reinstall again, see if that kicks it back into life 👍
@@DDFRacer I have 100's of hours over the years in rF2 and I never have any issues. Always weird to see when someone has so many issues with it. I have a CSL DD coming in October so hopefully it works in rF.
I love your content and your comunity im glad i found you. Most definetely worth a sub
Thank you for the sub 😍 good to have you around. You do realise you're part of the community now though, right? 😉
@@DDFRacer one day you will be the most subscribed Sim racing channel around
Am seriously considering this. I'll get the boost kit later if needed.
PS: It's good to see I'm not the only one that slams it into the wall on every single corner! LOL!
Slamming it into the wall is kind of my speciality 😎
Thanks for the review. I just ordered the DDPro GT bundle for my PS5. I currently have a T150. So it’s going to be a big upgrade. Unfortunately it won’t come til Mar 14th
Congrats on the upgrade but wow, that's a long time to wait 😬 hopefully Fanatec have a few more wins in terms of shipping like some of the earlier waves and can get it out to you a little earlier. I've never used a T150 but the difference between G29/CSL DD was night and day. Even a few months later I'm still grinning my face off every time I race 👍
Man, for the feedback on the RSS hybrid 2021 version its totally normal RSS team never made great ffb infos on their mods, VRC or simdream have way better FFB feeling for everything ive tested.
Other than that, excellent video, everything is out of stock ill just have to wait for my csl DD :/
The best review of it so far no 20 minutes talking of nonsense, only pure testing and reactions!!
Thank you for the kind words, much appreciated! To be honest I wanted to make the video _much_ shorter but couldn't really find a way to edit it down more, suppose I could have split it into several smaller videos instead but then I guess it would kind of ruin the flow 🤔 glad you liked it though! Hopefully stock arrives soon for you 🤞
@@DDFRacer no this one was a perfect video format!! Youre welcome! Would i need a solid desk or wheel stand for that 8nm dd ?
In my opinion Spa is a smooth track for the most part and not the choice in AC to choose. I'd try Sonoma or the Glen. Even Laguna Seca is a better choice.
Nords would be better as it has every bump known to man :D
@@stickdeath1980 Very true. I was going to mention that track as well
Good advice, I'll give it another go soon and try to get it a little more dialled in 👍 I really don't think I gave AC a fair chance in the video so once the wheel is set up correctly and I'm driving and appropriate car/track combo I might have to do a follow up 😉
@@DDFRacer Bring the interpolation down a little more too. I think Fanatec recommend 5? But try 2 or 3..
I watched this video while playing with G29.
Amazing video I gotta say, you should test it with BeamNg drive too!
That is a fantastic idea 👍 Beam.NG is one of those games that I have sat in my Steam library with criminally few hours. Just need to try and find some time from somewhere 😅 I would have included it in this video but it was more of a before/after comparison between G29 and CSL DD and my experience in Beam.NG was very limited so wouldn't have been a fair comparison.
I just got into racing games. but I use a controller. What a time to get into racing sims. This DD is going to be my first wheel. 😃.
Wow, that's going to me a _massive_ jump! You're honestly going to be blown away at the difference 😉 most people start on something like a Logitech when they upgrade from a controller, but to be able to go straight to the CSL DD, well...mate, forget everything you thought you knew about sim racing.
I really enjoyed the video mate, I'm waiting for my base to arrive like a kid waiting for christmas. One whole month left 😅 Watching you try Dirt Rally made me remember to get a round wheel. I only have the McLaren GT3 V2 wheel at the moment.
Have you ever noticed how time slows down the more you check for updates? 😂
The round wheel is definitely a 'must have' for the rallying though, glad I could remind you! I _think_ I remember seeing Moonie use a formula style wheel for rallying a while back although I could be wrong 🤔 but I can't imagine it would be very friendly for those fast and large opposite lock moments. As long as you keep your *THUMBS OUT* you'll be fine mate 😅
@@DDFRacer hehe indeed the time slows down. I've been checking for updates far too much lately 😅 yes that was Moonie that used that wheel in rally. Did not look easy 😂
If you stumble across Kartkraft considering a go. I think that would be brutaly good with a DD wheel. Thats one of the first things I'm gonna try when I got mine (after raceroom ofcourse)
Hey Dan another great vid, I went from a G923 to a CSL DD with the V3 pedals a couple of weeks ago now. Once you adjust your seating you'll settle in those aches will go. Couple of things i'd like to here your thoughts on....
1) Straight away i plugged my pedals directly into the wheel base and with the brake force slider in the Fanatec setup software it changes the way the brake pedal feels being plugged directly into the computer USB - just in case you decide to go down this route
2) Does it make your lap times slower? I only have Raceroom but felt coming from Logitech to CSL DD with its FF strength at 100% was too much and found the effort to turn the wheel was slowing my input/reaction - which in truth does not matter as the actual driving is now so much more enjoyable
Lots of learning and so much new information to process has made Raceroom a whole new game
Can confirm the seating position is all fixed now 👍 managed to drop the wheelbase down a notch so it fits underneath the monitor and sits further back. Much much better! To answer your questions:
1) I might try this in the future but I have access to the same Fanatec software brake force sliders that you do, it just needs to be accessed through the Game Controllers menu in Windows instead of directly through the Fanatec software. I have them manually calibrated to the forces that I apply, works like a charm.
2) Funnily enough, I haven't actually done a proper before/after comparison yet. Sure I tried the GT4 Porsche at Bilster Berg in RaceRoom that we used for Tuesday Thunder a few weeks ago, but I wasn't pushing anywhere near the limit. I might try that at some point in the next week or two so I can see how my times compare. I don't _feel_ like I'm as fast yet, but my pace in the F1 Spa race says otherwise I guess 😬
It's sounds like you ordered/purchased the DD like an average consumer. Fanatec didn't send it to you? How did you get one already?
Yep, used my own money on my own account 👍 I made my preorder as soon as the CSL DD was announced and was part of the first wave of deliveries a few months ago. Fanatec gave priority to people who were already existing customers, and since I already purchased some pedals off them last year, that worked out very nicely indeed 😁
@@DDFRacer oh right. Forgot they are doing it in waves. I have mine preordered and goes out end of November, thought that was the earliest release but yeah must be the earliest release for this wave (I've never ordered any fanatec stuff before). Thanks dude!
Great video mate . Subbed
Cheers Tom 😎 glad you enjoyed it, thanks for the sub mate!
Thanks for the video. I am buying this setup tomorrow. I use eye tracker 5 at the moment but thanks to your video i think i would like to try vr. What headset do you use?
No worries, happy you found the video helpful! Hope you enjoy the new setup 😁 and (shameless self promotion time, sorry) don't forget to use the Fanatec affiliate link down in the video description. Takes you straight to the Fanatec store and you can shop as normal, but a small % of your purchase automatically comes back to my channel and helps me make more videos like this.
As for the VR headset, I'm using an Oculus Rift CV1 which, unfortunately, aren't made anymore. They're solid, although a little old now, but you might be able to pick one up second hand for cheap 👍
The big big brother - Mr DD2 - can fix your Noodle Arm problem...
Oh I don't doubt that for a second 😅
I’ve had a CSW V2 and DD2. I always left the sensitivity on Auto and never had issue with the wheel rotation. No issues with my SC2 Pro either.
Other then rF2 and that was after the update when they made the new UI mandatory. Not only was the rotation messed up on the DD2 but the wheel would go nuts like it did for you. What a piece of crap game.
Yeah RF2 is so bad and honestly the ffb doesn't really feel like anything special. As far as the CSL DD, the newest fanatec drivers are very buggy.
No other sim rattled the wheel like in rF2 and that scared me. The last thing I want to do is damage the CSL DD, although I really would like to see what all the fuss is about, especially the new Formula Pro car that was released 🤔 I feel like that would be something I could fall in love with.
Kerbal Space Program stream when.
Cool wheel btw
I was wondering when someone was going to pick up on the t-shirt 😉 I doubt I'll do a stream but might post something in the off-topic section on Discord when I next get around to adding moar boosters. Haven't touched it in over a year though, just haven't had time, which makes me a little sad because I love that game...
Hello Danny i have found your TH-cam channel looking for fanatec clubsport v3 review
And you have a pretty similar way to your upgrades than me
I'm using my old g25 and Just bought the fanatec pedals and still waiting for the csl dd ordered the september 3
So your vidéos are gold for me coming for the same gears than me
I'm suscribing cause you really have Nice content and bring some Joy in your vids keep going
Sorry for bad english I'm french from réunion island
Your English is significantly better than my French could ever be 👍 so don't worry! I'm glad you found the video useful and you can relate to the upgrades that I've made recently. The pedals improved the sim racing experience by a lot, probably the biggest difference out of any piece of gear, and the CSL DD wheel just takes it to the next level again. Hopefully your order doesn't take too long 🤞 see you out on the race track in the future! Dan.
they lowered the price! just ordered it with the bundle with pedals and wheel for 400€ what a steal!!!
That's good news 😍 all the best with your new upgrade!
Great video, I’m on Logi G920, and maybe our kids don’t need a college fund so a Fanatec is on order 😂
Ha yeah true 😅 it's definitely a bit more of an investment than the entry level gear but trust me, it makes a hell of a difference to the enjoyment you get out of sim racing! Congrats on the order by the way, I'm sure the kiddos would understand 😉
Very happy your experience is coming from a Logitech but I wish you started with the default 5nm brick to compare the force feedback strength with the Logitech because once you try something stronger you can’t go backwards
When you purchase the the Boost Kit they actually remove the standard power supply from your order, so you can only have one. It's a bit odd, because then you can't swap between them, and if you want to get both the 5Nm and the 8Nm you have to purchase the Boost Kit _in addition_ to the standard package and that's another couple of hundred dollars right there.
I could always just turn the strength down as an alternative 😉 and to be honest, I probably will! I streamed a 90 minute F1 race at Spa in RaceRoom last night and I can definitely feel it in my shoulders today...
@@DDFRacer Oh wow, didn't know they flat out remove the default power brick since you are technically paying for it. You did mention that your positioning is off, so thats probably why your shoulders are sore
@@zergslayer69 I've got that all fixed now 👍 position is much better. I think doing 50+ runs at pouhon and eau rouge at 100% ffb is what did it 😅
good vid like always cant wait for mine
Thanks mate 😎 how long to go until it arrives?
Awesome buddy! Glad to see you are happy with it, I'm really happy with mine, and will sell my DD1!😃👌
20:00 😅😂
A tip, if it works for you, I need a hot fix on mine. But you have 5 profiles on your menu button where you can save different settings and can switch between or change them on the fly, I always have one for rally with 540 rotation. One of the best feature with Fanatec wheel bases!👍
Yeah Sticky mentioned to me that you were thinking of selling up 😲 that says it all really about the quality of the CSL DD! Thanks for the tip on the profiles, I'll look into that over the next few weeks when my brain doesn't feel so fried and my stomach isn't trying to sabotage me 😉🤢
Great review!!! I'm on my 3rd G29! Hopefully I'll only need 1 GT DD Pro! Will be using it on PS5 for GT7 and on PC for other sims!
What what? How often do your G29 wheels usually last? I've used my G25, G27 and G29 for more than 5 years each before I upgraded and they were still running fine 😅 if I were you I'd double check that you're not running the FFB too high, clipping and burning the motor out perhaps.
@@DDFRacer Nah at first it was the paddles, than I got a 2nd G29 (2nd hand) within a few weeks the PS3/PS4 switch broke and with that it wouldn't work anymore, now I'm on my 3rd one lol. Must say I use the wheel quite a lot.
Great video thanks so much for your help 👍
No problem at all 😎 this video might be a few years old now but it's nice to know it's still coming in useful!
@43:17 Dan finally understands where i come from.Awsome Vid Dan Wish Fannytech would ship to NZ i'd have one of those wheel's.But you think the Extra $260AU for 8NM or would you rather the stock standard 5NM? My old TS-XW was 6.4nm i though that was enough for me! Just so awsome to see you finally get what some of us talk about now.Like a kid in a candy shop :D
Yeah mate, it's amazing to finally 'get it' when it comes to sims like iRacing and ACC...most of the detail just didn't cut through on my old Logitech G29 but now it's there in all its glory. Can't wait to sink some more hours in and get everything dialled in properly 🥳
In my opinion the 8Nm is a good strength. It's definitely enough force but nothing too crazy that'll rip your arms off, although longer races might get a bit tiring if there's a lot of high load corners. Better to get the Boost Kit because then you can turn it down if it's too much...although if you get the standard power supply and it's not enough then you can't turn it up to get more 😉
Just a Little correction it works perfectly fine with desks it is only 3 nm stronger than a g29 (with the boost kit)
Just as you said it is more about the information not the force
With the Logitech G29 you're looking at roughly 2.2Nm of force, whereas the CSL DD with boost kit goes up to 8Nm 👍 so there's a fair bit of difference there. You'd still need some kind of desk mount even without the boost kit though unless you feel like drilling/screwing directly into the desk itself.
@@DDFRacer ok sorry my information was that the g29 was 5nm but still I tested it on a semi solid desk and the desk handels it well
Did you get it early or is it realesed The csl dd and congrats with The wheel
Nah it's officially released now, although they're only shipping pre-orders at the moment (I placed mine in June). If you buy one at the moment I think it'll still be another few months before they're available 👍
Ok thank you👍
Why wouldn’t You use the manager in AC where u can use gyro aka seat of pants ffb?
Still getting my head around AC to be honest 😉 I've hardly spent any time in it at all, only tried it out for the first time a few months ago. I'm sure the next few weeks will include a lot of Googling, tweaking settings and doing test runs 👍 and I've got no doubt after a little trial and error it'll feel amazing. What is this gyro setting you mention by the way?
gyro is not the seat of pants thing at all. gyro refers to the gyroscopic effect on the front wheels which gets stronger the faster they rotate, and it was not implemented in the default FFB, that's why the setting exist in content manager.
i just ordered mine a few minutes ago. going from the g920. hoping for a better experience like many have mentioned.
You're making pretty much the same jump that I did, so hopefully you have the same kind of experience too! Even after all these years since making the video, firing up the rig and using this wheel and wheelbase still puts a big grin on my face 👍
Pretty bold move, ordering a Fanatec wheelbase in 2024.
Just ordered this and seeing you with it has got me going crazy lol. I got to wait a while. So do you reckon i will not need irffb as i use that now
Ha sorry! Hopefully you don't go too crazy and it doesn't take _too_ long to arrive but, trust me, when it does you'll love it. Regarding irFFB, I still need to do some more testing as I really haven't spent too much time in iRacing lately but from my limited experience that plugin is no longer required. The increased strength of the CSL DD gives you a bigger range of force to play with which means you can feel the smaller details much more easily and get that 'Seat of the pants' feeling without the need for artificial boosters. Those details would get lost on my old G29 but, like I said, my running is rather limited so need to do more testing. Actually, I'm starting a new 6 week GT3 series in iRacing on Wednesday (and should be streaming it too) so that's the perfect excuse!
Díky!
You're welcome 😁