Did The Rock destroy Shazam II?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- Recently a number of stories have come to light in relation to the release of Shazam: Fury Of The Gods and how it was interferred with by Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson himself. This includes using Henry Cavill's Superman instead of Zachary Levi's Shazam in the Black Adam post credits, vetoeing the including of the Justice Society in Shazam 2 and going with two characters from Peacemaker instead and how he took a shot at running the DC Unvierse before James Gunn and Peter Saffran came onboard. Some of this was actually confirmed by Zachary Levi himself. So we get into all of this in an exert from our podcast The Weekly Planet (linked below).
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The Rock saying "The hierarchy of power is about to change" and then proceeding to destroy the DCEU like a bulldozer running over a house is poetic
The DCEU was already dead. He was the Hail Mary play that tried to salvage it.
He was the guy who knocked the last wall down of an already collapsing house
@alex_magna I think this is my favourite comment of the year so far
@@davids8127 😂😂😂😂 nicely put👌
He was the guy who took a shit in a toilet inside a crumbling building but the toilet and building weren't real because they had both turned to dust a century before and he was actually just shitting in an open field that was empty except for a horse and the horse and him locked eyes and he made the funniest joke he'd ever heard before but then the horse got an erection and that was Black Adam and the final moments of the DCEU.
It honestly blows my mind that they let The Rock have SO much power as a producer when he hadn't even proven to have any success in the role yet! Even RDJ or Chris Evans at the peak of their success as Iron Man or Captain America would never have been allowed that kind of power. It just makes NO sense at all.
Such power and such brittle ego, he wanted to fight and beat Superman so bad it’s childish.
He's been very well know to pull weird things for his ego in the past, look at some of the things his co-stars have said about him. Guy seems like such a tool
@@megyskermike his a wrestler for crying out loud
Since when does DC make sense
because Marvel is smarter than DC. They had a clear laid out plan and whatnot. DC seems just to throw shit at a wall in the hope that something sticks.
and as far as i know: "the Rock" is a well known egomaniac who cares about himself and.....thats it.
he doesnt give a flying shit about the franchise.
I guess DC fans technically did get Black Adam vs Shazam... only it happened off-screen, and they both lost.
And if there was cameras around that probably would have been a better movie.
I was definitely confused at first about Shazam II and Black Adam being separate movies. Just fully assumed that The Rock would be playing Black Adam IN Shazam II.
that would have made sense. seems like the only thing larger than the rocks steroid bill is his ego
It's also weird how Black Adam is meant to be closely connected to Shazam, and yet the Black Adam movie tonally was absolutely nothing like the Shazam movies.
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 and that Shazam/Billy wasn't referenced once in Black Adam, despite the exact same powers/origin from the exact same wizard. Such an odd and unnecessary disconnect
I think the Rocks ego won't allow him to fight Shazam. In his mind it's either he's gonna beat up a kid or else fight and lose to a kid. And Shazam not being A tier superhero probably doesn't sit well with him. It's so dumb, they should never have let the Rock have so much say in this. Like Shazam is literally Black Adam's nemesis and it feels like the Rock didn't realise that before he took on the role. He heard that he would be part of the DC universe and presumed he would be starring with Superman and Batman and the likes.
@@himynameis3664 🎯
It’s insane how badly the Rock thought Black Adam was gonna be his magnum opus and it’s basically destroyed his entire reputation and potentially his entire career going forward
I never thought the Rock would end up being Hulk Hogan levels of believing his own hype.
It was only a matter of time.
These wrestling egos are out of control
I did.
So you couldn't smell what the Rock was cooking?
He worked himself into a shoot
It’s so funny to think that the Rock wants to see himself fight Superman so bad that he chose to play an obscure B-list villain just because superman’s weakness is magic.
Funny how little people know about the character & that he was fancasted for this to happen years before...
again, superman is not weak to magic, he just gets affected by it normally. He will take a magic punch as any other just as strong punch, but will also be frozen by a time stopping spell. Also i wouldn't consider B-listers obscure but then again i'm not the general population
@@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369so.... magic is one of supe's main weaknesses, Im glad you explained it
@@ryckarduhryckarduh180
That's like saying bullets are Batman's weakness, when every normal person is vulnerable to them.
@@bbrbbr-on2gd that would make more sense if batman was virtually invincible except for kriptonite and bullets. Magic is one of supe's very few weaknesses, that is factual bro
I don’t really get why The Rock was so against Black Adam fighting Shazam, Shazam was a pretty fun movie, it’s probably just because he wanted to fight Superman to satisfy his ego
No he wanted to BEAT Superman and install himself as the most powerful superhero..
Ego lol
Shazam is a literal kid. So, the Rock has to either beat up a child or lose to one. Wouldn’t be too good on his image i guess.
@@KlTSCH I mean he’s playing a super villain though, does he not know that?
@@IcyDiamond Oh he 100% knows. that’s why they attempted to rebrand Black Adam into an anti-hero.
The Rock: “The hierarchy of power is about to change 💪🏻”
James Gunn: “Yeahhh just not the way you think…”
How does Rock thinks he's above or not connected to Shazam? Dude, you literally both wear the same suit.
He is one of those self centered douchebags who surrounds himself with people who never tell him no. So he always thinks he is right. Once I heard about his contract clause that says he can never lose a fight, I immediately hated him. A giant douche.
No, see...his is black. Totally different.
(kidding) 😆
"literally"...
His ego is massive.
He doesn’t care what fits or what makes sense.
He cares about his star power and how he is perceived in films.
@@steverogers7601 Jokes on him, this has just made people see his flaws clearly.
He may be perceived as a hero on film, but off-screen he's far from it.
I wouldn't be surprised if they had originally planned to do Shazam vs Black Adam for the second movie. They set it up in the first film. The Wizard said that the council chose someone unworthy and it almost destroyed the world. It was a pretty long scene, they had a magical projection showing a silhouette of Black Adam.
Hell they filmed two deleted scenes alluding to him. There was an alternate opening where The Wizard came running into The Rock Of Eternity after BA was locked away and a deleted ending where the entire family were sitting around on thrones and Mary points out there’s one throne that’s empty and everyone questioning who it’s for. Sandberg clearly wanted Black Adam for the sequel and when Dwayne refused to play ball he had to reshape the sequel and include the Greek gods instead
Except they didn't choose black Adam
@@Standby_JRB that was a dumb retcon, they literally say Adam was the champion in the first Shazam movie
@@mrcritical6751in Black Adam they chose his son Harut and the son gave the powers to Teth Adam.
@@RJ-or8bw yes I know, but in Shazam they said Adam was their champion. It was a stupid retcon because Dwayne didn’t want to be the bad choice champion who unleashed the seven deadly sins upon earth
Can't wait for the tell-all documentary about the behind the scenes drama of the DCEU. This year alone has been insane.
It would be very intresting to watch
Another big hurt for Shazam 2 is the reboot announcement. These movies always like to build to the next thing, but we already know the franchise is on its way out.
I doubt anyone would go to Shazam 2 just to keep up with the DCU anyway. The first one was not part of any kind of MCU-like continuity.
Has this ever really been a franchise though lmao?
@@shadow_realm47 Maybe. But could you even picture Snyder putting Levi’s Shazam in a Justice League movie? I certainly can’t. Is that really what people were expecting?
@@rakoonshampoo2608 i can. I don't see why you couldn't.
Yeah everyone knows these movies are non-canon so there's no point in seeing them.
The only reason I am interested in this movie right now is to be able to watch mr sunday videos about it...
Yup
I do the same with RLM
For the most part I want to try and watch the movie just for context. But I'm just too lazy to go and watch Shazam 2.
Rock could have been the central villain and possibly saved the DC cinematic universe but he couldn't imagine a world where it wasn't JUST him shining, and that's the downfall. Ya love to see it
It's really weird, cause Superman and Shazam VS Black Adam was an incredible short, but at no point during that short did I think "this should be several movies leading to a conclusion where they fight"
Yes. Because him having his own movie and not being the villain in the first shaman is like having Iron Monger having his own movie and not being in Iron man.
The thing is, Black Adam actually is a intresting character who has had his own stories.
I saw another comparison being someone playing Lex Luthor and insisting he fight Batman because he doesn't like Superman. You can't pick someone's archnemesis and then fight some other guy.
Good comparison.
The rock wasted a potential interesting opportunity
@@re1010 i feel the same about venom and morbius. I know they both have their own solo adventures without spiderman, but they started as spiderman villains and are strongly asossiated with him.
@@steverogers7601 it's not a great comparison since black Adam is at least respected in comic book circles. No one cares about ironmonger
A better comparison would've been making a movie about baron mordo that doesn't even mention Dr.strange but sets up a future movie with ironman
I think the rock believed that if he got to be a superhero, it would be a huge movie and since it wasn’t, he doesn’t want to get trapped in a comic book movie cycle so he’s weaseling his way out
The Rock would do anything to get into a comic book movie cycle. He even kissed Marvel’s ass when finally acknowledging (sort of) that Black Adam was a bomb 😂😂
@@DABA2024 thinking about it a little differently you’re right he’s getting older, so if he could have a character in an established universe that would promise roles in the future he should absolutely do it
He's absolutely looking for a way out. The man is getting old and keeping his Black Adam physique is going to bring many health complications for him. I also doubt he'd use a muscle suit if he got to do more sequels
@@kuhanblock9380 we got some great special effects now they can literally scan his current physique and make him bigger
Dwayne Johnson has a clause in his contract that he cannot loose any fight on screen, so it’s not surprising that things turned out this way.
I’m sure he would of made an exception
I find it even more bizarre than it already is because he was a wrestler.. losing is a big part of that, so it's so weird that he refuses to lose in a movie..
@@KinzokuDrummer yeah he shouldn’t be the way he is with losing, especially when he’s playing a LITERAL GOD DAMN VILLAIN!
@@randomcomment262 I can see where you’re coming from, but judging by his twitter posts and interviews, he wasn’t gonna go down to Superman (whom he mistakenly wanted to fight) and he had little to no interest in fighting the big red cheese.
He lost to the one wingless fairy in tooth fairy 😂
The rocks dream for the dcu was various heroes dealing with natural disaters/one man military style infiltration missions. All played by the rock in a comic accurate costume (underneath his cargo pants and white shirt with one undone button and rolled sleeves
The rolled up sleeves being the key thing here.
We can’t have a movie universe without rolled up sleeves as a priority.
Or a gray t shirt and jeans.
Preferably in a jungle
Don’t forget looking at the camera with one eyebrow raised
Zach Levi is like Paul Rudd. Likeable enough for his own franchise, but he can't be an op character. Zach would be a fantastic Plastic Man
true 😊
That's a good call. That's how he played Shazam.
Good call
Now that you mention it, he would be perfect for Eel.
Cap's never really been childish in his super form. If anything he tends to overcorrect and be a bit too "grown up" since he's literally still a kid trying to pass as an adult. In the comics he actually manages to keep it a secret from the JLA for quite a while (except Batman, of course)
Yuuuuuuuuuuuup
I would like to see Superman fight a magic user but going for a character that is basically identical to him in powers would be boring... I want to have Superman fight like a wizard who does spells
is Mr Mxyzptlk considered magic? i'd love to see him fight a little annoying guy
Satanus is a wizard-like character Superman fights.
Like Doctor Fate?
@@bleepindeadalienbody He'd be interesting. I mainly kinda want Superman to have to fight an opponent that isn't just a strong guy you punch but who has powers to put him in unexpected situations.
No it wouldn't be boring as evidenced by the many times he has fought Darkseid
The #1 issue for movies this year is that everyone is broke and they can just wait for streaming. WB is streets ahead by just not bothering to waste the money.
It depends on the movie. It looks like the hype is very big for Super Mario Brothers. My local cinema has assigned a whopping 19 sessions per day in its first week. I don't think the employees there are expecting people will wait for it to stream. But perhaps people are more selective on what they watch and superhero movies aren't the event they were pre pandemic.
I've been beating this drum hard. I'm not blowing $30 for two tickets on a super meh-looking movie that will hit streaming anywhere from 6-12 weeks after theatrical release. Shazam 1 didn't do great box office numbers, and Shazam 2 did not look great. I am not the person that needs a movie to be tied to continuity to care, either. I'll go to see it if looks like it's worth the cash and this one didn't. I don't get why this is movie predictably flopping is getting so much attention.
"Never give a wrestler creative control" extends to their post-wrestling carreers, apparently
Imagine if the actor who plays The Guy Who Shouts Rodney stopped Marvel from using Man Thing in Werewolf By Night, because he wanted to have Man Thing fight Spider-Man in the first installment of a new, Man-Thing centric MCU
We'd have to find Rodney first
*AGGGGGHH*
I had a stroke trying to read this
@@leftistdegeneratejs for me, it was Tuesday
@@leftistdegeneratejs I could feel my brain shutting down.
This is such a spot-on analogy, I think you've won the internet for today. Please clock out and enjoy the rest of your day, see you tomorrow!
Rock thought he was Robert Downey Jr💀
Rock being cast as Black Adam is like one of rare fan castings that actually came to fruition. We never got Jensen Ackles as Flash or Nathan Fillion as Green Lantern. But, we got this. And the only reason is that Rock kinda looks like Black Adam. Nothing in any of Rock's performances at that point was in any way similar to what Black Adam was in comics at the time. And the Rock latched onto it cause someone on twitter told him he should do it. Lets be honest Rock hasn't read a single panel of a Black Adam comicbook in his life. Good chance he never held any comic in his hands.
He just heard that Adam is powerful af and went with it. For like a decade he kept spamming about power levels like a 6-year old kid on a playground arguing how his dad could beat up anybody cause he has special invidible anti-punch shield or something.
I can't even imagine what a clusterfuck his wannabe Superman v Black Adam movie would be when Rock is so insecure that he can't even have Jason Statham land more punches on him in a movie. That's like Mickey and Bugs having the same amount of frames in Roger Rabbit. DC would have to drag Superman through mud to stroke this guy's ego. He actually thinks he's bigger than one of the most iconic properties of all times. A character who's symbol is up there with Coca-Cola, Santa and the christisn cross.
Did I say Supes v Black Adam? He would insist on top billing.
Brought the torches and the gasoline, I see...very good. Carry on. 👍
He especially looked like Black Adam in the early 2000s when he still had hair. People also fancasted him as Namor 😂
@@kuhanblock9380 😅 That's like casting Melissa McCarthy as Kingpin because they're both on the heavy side!
Because fan castings are *always* based solely on looks and never on actual acting ability. Despite how many times outrage over someone not looking like the character has blown up when it turned out there was a reason they were cast
I misread Nathan Fillion as Nathan Fielder and begun imagining all the crazy shit Fielder could do with a GL ring at his disposal.
In part, but DC and WB are ultimately at fault. They fumbled the DCU so badly. They're going to reboot the whole thing, and everyone knows it, so why watch Shazam II? The reboot is SO needed, that they have to put up with Miller's crazy ass until Flashpoint comes out and they can recast The Flash due to some multiverse reason. Crazy how they can fuck up some of the best characters ever so consistently.
It's mental that the ROCK, the Black Adam actor, actively tried to hijack a big studio superhero universe and make it about his D-list villain.
Not just "Let's see if we can make a few successful Black Adam films" but "I want to shape the main universe and centre it around me". And apparently even had the power to tell his Black Adam co-stars what movies they could and couldn't appear in.
And the only reason he was even able to TRY that is cos he's very, very famous and successful. If it was any other actor playing Black Adam there wouldn't have been any of that.
The Rock will attempt to hijack another ip, with some sort of established fanbase.
@@alanguages Count on a new Star Wars trilogy starring the Rock
I think he's also the one who had it in his contract that he could never lose a fight in the F&F movies..along with Vin. It's all very Steven Seagal lol
Black Adam is literally Shazam’s arch enemy but I agree tho
@@d3l3tes00n that’s what made me stop being a fan of his, I can’t stand people who take themselves so seriously and have such *big* egos. If you can’t even lose a pretend fight, you have serious issues with control and winning. I honestly feel bad for his wife, he must be exhausting to live with.
The MCU gave us expansive continuity, but I think we’re seeing the limits. Audiences are smart enough to be thrown into a standalone movie and go “oh, I get it - this version of the hero is like this.” I’d rather see memorable, big budget standalones once in awhile where the story is free from the pressure of setting up and carrying the ongoing adventures of a hero. Some of the best comic stories are graphic novels or limited runs that don’t burden themselves with portraying the “main” versions of characters.
Still wild to me that the actor playing Black Adam was so insecure that he tried to freeze Shazam out of the DC Universe. Can you imagine if the actor cast as Reverse Flash started trying to position himself as the center of the universe and refused to interact with The Flash? Dwayne was slapping DC and their fans in the face with his massive ego.
Not that you'd want to interact with the movie flash anyway. If I were thawne I'd stay away from Ezra at all costs
Hindsight here but if they did shazam and black adam as an else world movie in its own universe with its established cannon and villains they could really have stretched this out into an epic set of diverse different movies. They could have done the different time periods, world's, villains, magic. Could've been very fantastical
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Isn't perfect though to have a Snyderish Black Adam against a Warner Bros-y Shazam?
I am very confused about how to feel about these movies at the moment.
I think Shazam 2 suffered from the "More explosions problem" and I think that Shazam facing off against Black Adam would have been better.
But also I kinda liked the Rock's Black Adam. It was a very stupid blockbuster from 2007 ala Transformer, but I miss those movies.
But Zachary Levi's Shazam is the best, the best casting of a character in a movie ever. I want him to be there again in a solo movie. He isn't a big brand, but he's perfect.
And here is the thing. The whole story would make way more sense if Black Adam would be the villain and his solo movie wouldn't be a story.
Sorry to be in the comics, but... In the Comics Black Adam was locked away in the Rock of Eternity and the sorcerers took all the strength to do that. The made the wrong choice.
Now imagine that breaking the wand doesn't bring back the daughters of Atlas, but does bring back Black Adam.
This is why you hire unknown actors with no prior obligations.
That presents a risk as well. While we are moving away from actors drawing people to a project, there are multiple other variables and unknowns with burgeoning talent.
No, this is why you hire professional actors instead of The Rock.
The only problem with that is you don’t know who you’re getting involved with. At least with a famous star, you know they they (most likely) won’t have a huge scandal that ruins your entire plan.
I always expected this, you think the Rock would ever tolerate being in a movie where he has to lose Zachery Levi?
Considering he was in a movie where he lost to Steve Carrell yes
@@seand7042 Oh forgot about Get Smart, so underrated. Still those were earlier days.
Honestly, I'm a Chuck fan from way back. As far as I'm concerned almost everyone loses to Chuck... I mean Zach.
@@wazgod6306 yeah you don’t mess with Chuck, that guy took out Superman, Freddy Krueger and James Bond
@@seand7042 But Get Smart was before Fast 5. Where he got really really famous.
I love that the Rock doesn't even understand the difference between a weakness and a vulnerability. He's vulnerable to magic champ, it's not a weakness, he's just as susceptible to it as everyone else. Kryptonite is a weakness because it only affects him that way. Gravel for brains, honestly.
I hope that pun was intended
@aarswft
Still it would be interesting to see how this Supes deals with magic, he got over WW’s lasso in ZSJL but how would he handle MCU magic?
He's not as susceptible to it as everyone else though. He's still Superman, he's still extremely tough.
Yes, he's not immune to it and magic can potentially hurt him. But Superman has regularly taken magical lightning infused punches to the face from Black Adam and kept going. That would kill a normal human being, even leaving the strength of the punch aside.
I'll put it this way; if he truly was as susceptible to magic as everyone else then a random magic fireball would have burned him to death years ago.
I am glad this happened. While I know Vin Diesel isn’t as squeaky clean either, Dwayne certainly managed to tilt the narrative against him. Dwayne wasn’t as big a star back in 2011 to single handedly change the tide for the fast saga. That Fast 5 movie ruled.
My problem is that Billy and Shazam feel like 2 different people
Billy is more grounded and acts more mature than when he turns into Shazam, whom acts like he is a 14
Which would be fine, if billy was the same as the first film, but he is like 20 now
In a way black Adam was the villain of Shazam 2
Maybe I'm just weird, but I can't help but see shazam and friends' costumes as if there's a pixelated blur effect on their lightning bolts, like you're trying to hide their identities really badly
Zachary Levi is fine, really funny. Certainly, Black Adam was a bit of a diversion and probably confused people about the Shazam franchise.
Love the channel, and the podcast!! Keep up the great work
Great video. Can’t wait to catch up on the pod
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the early avengers feel like the actors cared more about the project rather than their individual character?
The Rock, could’ve been a great Segway into making Shazam darker/more serious. I mean, that’s one of, if not the biggest aspect to their rivalry, isn’t it?
Shazam being naive, but idealistic and choosing to be hopeful, believing like his idol Superman, there’s a certain line heroes/protectors aren’t supposed to cross, while BA pushes him, and even takes him down that road. Killing those close to Shazam, his friends and idols which is kinda like the final test for him to becoming a man and a full fledge hero.
Instead of two separate movies that have nothing to do with each other, they should’ve done another BvS but this time it’s Black Adam v Shazam. Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill were co-leads in BvS so they could’ve done the same thing with the Rock and Zachary Levi. Guarantee that movie would’ve brought in more money than the two movies we got combined.
So you have SHAZAM and BLACK ADAM movies. Both with SUPERMAN cameos. Then we get nothing. Except a rebooted DCU??
That's like having WrestleMania
with no matches.
On the topic of the disconnect you feel between Billy and Shazam, I think it's pretty perfect seeing as how Billy grew up having to be an adult at a very young age, so when given an alter ego with superpowers who could do whatever he wanted best believe he's gonna act like a kid. Also when you look at how Freddy acts when he is his alter ego (trying to be an adult) it makes sense because he is getting a chance to be what he wants to. Just a thought.
It’s mental that the Rock thought Black Adam was gonna be DC’s “Iron Man” as such and be at the centre of this DC universe, and why would you not star in YOUR characters biggest rival’s movie, that’s where you’re supposed to be headed mate and maybe a team of with the legion of doom! He really tried to overstay and overstretch his welcome
When The Rock started going on about how “The hierarchy of power of the DCEU is about to change” I got a bad feeling. It seemed like he was only focused on having Black Adam fight Superman instead of Shazam, even though they’re tied together. What’s coming out now doesn’t surprise me at all.
He sounds like is MCU version of Taika Watiti. His's ego inflated exponentially after Ragnarok and he started tweeting how he will ruin Thor's mythology for fun and noone can do anything about it , how he will be double up the comedy.
Both ended horribly.
I subd. The back and forth banter you two do is entertaining and funny
Okay but Zachary Levi should get the best dressed star in Hollywood award. I love his outfits.
I mean it's fairly obvious that Supes is a direct rival for Black Adam don't you remember how Teth Adam called out the magic phrase "Clark Kent!" Before transforming?
The best part of Shazam is where a 17yr old kid turns into a middle aged man that looks nothing like him
There’s something funny about The first Shazam hinting at Black Adam appearance through several things but the Black Adam movie seems to retcon several of these by making him less villainous.
The editing implying Hawkeye is worse than a C-lister got a good evil cackle out of me. Especially with that haircut. Even if Hawkeye is my favourite terrible superhero and occassional landlord.
Hawkgirl is great tho
How many things is James Gunn gonna get blamed for that happened before he even got there?
Alt right hates Gunn so that's an automatic 10% of US citizens there just hating.
I believe the rock was supposed to play Black Adam as the villain the first Shazam but insisted on having his own movie. I wonder if losing his star power for that first movie is why it didn’t really seem to have a sufficient budget.
I mean it’s not surprising. Black Adam IS Shazam’s arch nemesis. Just look at Adam’s costume, it’s just a dark version of Shazam’s
That’s the thing: I doubt he’d lose that much star power if he appeared in the first Shazam movie.
The first one was actually pretty good and when you consider how much exposure the rock has being in so many mediocre films, it would have been refreshing to see him take a backseat in a movie that was solid.
That’s his damn ego in wanting his own movie lmao
@@steverogers7601 his ego just won’t allow him to 1. Not be the central focus 2. Be the villain to a child superhero that would have to beat him in the end
I think the Austin Powers movies would work well for the caravan of garbage series or even potentially Waynes world.
10:48 if the 3.5 year gap was too much between these two films, and that was a reason for it bombing… then Guardians 3 is not looking good after a 6 year gap between entries
But at least the Guardians showed up in Avengers 3 and 4 as well as Thor 4 (even if it was only for 10 minutes) and their own holiday special. They haven't been absent. Shazam has.
If Dwayne became the villian he was intended to be, maybe the movie would have turned out great.
My opinion.
That’s what was bothering me about black Adam.
He was too much of a hero in the movie.
Like, I don’t want to see that lmao
@Billy Kammerer Guess the ego got to him on this one.
The movie was incredibly mid. After the brain fog you get from the CGI you turn your head and forget about it.
Atleast that's how I felt.
Villains tend to lose and he couldn’t stand that idea, no no no.
Always love MrWeekendFilms and Nick Masonry's take on this stuff, modern day supermen
It is kinda wild that no one was able to intervene with the Cavill cameo and just get Zachary Levi instead. Not because Cavill is bad or anything, just that there is such a clear, obvious cameo opportunity at the end of movie introducing Black Adam: the guy who is like his main super-powered opposite in the comics with very similar powers to him they both got from the same wizard. It feels like too easy a set up for a “tune in next time” moment, but the Rock wanted to power slam Henry Cavill, so here we are.
First Shazam was actually a really fun movie but like others I watched it at home and it still feels like that kind of movie. The time difference of course didn’t help but I’ll see it once it’s released for home viewing.
Based on the speculation in this video specifically, the main reason Shazam 2 isn't doing well is because fans just don't care.
Thanks to James Gunn announcing that they were just going to reboot everything and more than likely any lead up this film had isn't going to have any resolution, much like the Black Adam film, and all the other storylines that the DCU has been leading up to.
So since it's getting some type of reboot with some new actors etc, people just don't care because this movie doesn't mean anything in the long run.
"Black Adam V Superman" would be way more fun to imagine if Dwane didnt have that "please let me win" clause". The Rock is someone who I really liked for a short amount of time and almost IMMEDIATELY started to decline in my eyes.
Collings you cheeky boy, dissing Hawkeye like that! 😅
I can totally see a Morbius-Shazam buddy-cop movie happen.
Give this dude money. Now
I'm not really surprised. The Rock has always been pretty good with his fans, but his head has just gotten bigger and bigger. And he's addicted to the smell of his own shit, to ridiculous levels, and I'm not at all surprised it seems he tore a chunk out of the DC film universe on what seems to be a spiraling trajectory out of it. In the year of our lord 2023, a former pro wrestler is so against fighting a comedian in fake muscles that he demands he fight Superman or bust, that he's willing to tank his big chance to headline a film universe that potentially stood (and might still potentially stand) as a rival to the MCU. Genius.
Really weird how his obsession to be a more bankable movie villain turned him into a less bankable real life villain.
It’s what happens when a wrestler becomes a film star. In professional wrestling they are taught to ruthlessly protects their “characters” at all cost, no loses, no humiliations, no playing second fiddle etc, this allows wrestlers to keep their star power and stay atop of wrestling promotions. It seems to me that the rock has never grown out of his pro wrestling habits and is treating his movie characters as he would his pro wrestling character, meaning his image comes above all else.
“Headless Superman is my best friend, I’m Big-Ears Batman!”
- Big Ears Batman
Did James ruin being old? he seems like the type to ruin being old for everyone
definitely the type
ya know there's one bald dude that's a great superman villain, and tho he has the ego, he's smarter than trying to shift the gears of a cinematic universe like that
"That doesn't work for me Brother." - Dwayne "The Hulk Hogan" Johnson
"If it does badly, (...) We kick you in a pit". [6.56]
Mason is a poet.
Dwanyes ego got in the way massively, and that paired with the fact he refuses to acknowledge Shazams existence as a Shazam villain, critically damaged both films.
He must of realised at some point his character frequently loses to a child and was he couldn’t have that.
The Rock's creative control at DC mirroring Hulk Hogan in WCW.
Every other Mr Sunday video now is just an excerpt from the weekly planet now lol
“I’m gonna base my life around this for several years” cuts deep
If there's any silver lining to this, I guess it is that Billy and his family might be in Gunn's new DCverse, same as to how Blue Beetle is easily able to slot into the new timeline, Gunn said.
It seems like The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, Blue Beetle and maybe Shazam can slot in nicely but Peacemaker and Shazam have a particular problem... in that they feature direct cameos to DCEU (not officially named) stars. Shazam also had all these logos and shit littered throughout.I hope the cast and crew of Shazam get new jobs in the new DC slate because they didn't really deserve to get this bad rap.
The kids of Shazam are also getting way too old to be the Shazam family if Superman is supposed to be around 25 in Superman Legacy, but with Damian Wayne being Robin, Blue Beetle being folded in and Supergirl existing, it seems this new universe is just begging for more teen heroes and could lead up to a pretty sweet Teen Titans/Young Justice movie.
Why wouldn't Blue Beatle slot in easily? We literally haven't had a Blue Beatle movie yet, so they can just write whatever from scratch.
@@HOTD108_ I said it can slot in nicely. The problems I mentioned were with Peacemaker and Shazam
Shazam said he would keep them only if Shazam 2 was successful commercially and critically. He’s probably gonna keep them anyways since he’s a massive hypocrite
Black Adam should have launched as a foil to Shazam, *then* evolved into his antihero status in a solo movie . . .
The rock: vin diesel is a control freak, I'll hijack his franchise.
Also the rock:
He had been dreaming of this movie since 2007.. Then he probably saw the Dark Knight in 2008, a villain being loved by the audience, which made him think his Black Adam will be good. Then he saw Deadpool (2016), an anti-hero (esque) film which people loved AND Joker (2019) ANOTHER anti hero/villain movie which everyone loved.
Having that knowledge PLUS the power of being a producer, he really probably thought it was gonna be a box office hit.
Their (Black Adam) budget was around $260m, Deadpool's and Joker's was $50-60m.. sad comparison
Idk, they (DC/WB) should really re-evaluate their sh*
Unfortunate cuz Shazam is my fav superhero and theres alot of interesting stuff to do with him and his family (like you see in the 1st), but this iteration was doomed just by proxy of being in the Snyder verse. Hope we eventually get a new one in this Gunn universe.
I think if they did have the black adam vs shazam fight even with the basically identical powers you need to emphasise the lines they're willing to cross to differentiate the brutality of their fighting styles which unfortunately I think definitely has to have black adam kill one or multiple of the shazamily or the parents.
Yeah people focus too much on the fight itself and not what they're fighting for. The reason why they're fighting, the motivation of the characters is what makes it interesting.
Black Adam's biggest issue was that the character wasn't fighting for anything. He didn't want to be a hero (or villian) which made him completely bland to watch. He was a nothing character.
@@Michael_ORourke he was fighting just cause he was angry and had a soft spot for that one kid, not really compelling stuff
@@mrcritical6751 I guess that's the farthest they can go with The Rock as a "bad guy"
That Black Adam wasn't a historical film, starting in Ancient Egypt with Dr Fate and Hawkman and going into the 1940s with the JSA, setting up a modern-day fight with Shazam in 2, is insane to me.
Disney & WB: There is a Huge drop off after the first week of our super hero films.
Consumers: If I'm not seeing it opening week in cinemas, I'm waiting for you to put it onto streaming in like 1-2 months, as you've been doing... duh.
I actually remember Mason's birthday because it is also my birthday.
We're about 2 months away
5:30 the animated black Adam Vs Superman/Shazam was actually pretty good
This whole situation is just hilarious
Let’s all hope Gunn can fix this mess
The mess is effectively gone. He's wiping the slate clean. No more mess. The question is, is he going to make another mess?
But…it’s already starting with a mess? The Flash movie restarted everything, but Aquaman 2 comes out after? Pattinson gets another Batman movie, but it’s going to live separately from everything else? This is fine for us but weird for normies
@@ChocolateAsian9000 right, The Batman and Joker being separate is great for fans, but will be confusing for casuals
He’s not going to. Don’t get your hopes up
@@vladdracula8103 I think it’ll be good, I more worried about Marvel at moment. It needs an equivalent to Andor.
This is hopefully a lesson for producers to never listen to the rock again
For all she's Gunn's wife, she is also really well suited for the role of Harcourt in Peacemaker.
The Rock wanted to be Black Adam but he didn't want to be associated with Shazam. He just wanted to beat Superman and stroke his ego and make himself the top dog of the DCEU..
He never cared about Black Adam; he only cares about his own brand.
If they reboot Black Adam, they should totally cast Vin Diesel in the role.
Like he was Riddick, so we know Diesel can do Anti-Heros
I know that's you Vin Diesel, you sneaky son of a bitch.
It would really mess with the rocks head too, tried hijacking the fast franchise, didn’t work… Tries hijacking DC, ends up replaced by the fast franchise dude… 😂😂
lol im down for this. #vindieselblackadam
@Rainbowflicker 250 😂😂😂
Headless Superman, or, as he's sometimes known, No-Ears Superman.
WB really do be the stupidest studio in Hollywood for actively having a Black Adam movie, and a Shazam sequel in development at the same time, and neither movie having anything to do with one another.
That's like if Marvel had spent the late 2000s setting up for the first Avengers movie, but then just never doing it.
You know you're in bad shape when a wrestler-turned-actor (who hasn't had any proven success in the superhero genre) is calling the shots on your franchise.