I finally cracked the Fractal FM3

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ต.ค. 2023
  • I was struggling to get a decent sound from the FM3. I think I found the solution and ...it surprised me
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  • @r.llynch4124
    @r.llynch4124 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I hope Fractal hears this and makes sure its shipped ON!! Not everyone is an expert at modelers. So glad you figured it out stuff like that is very frustrating when all you want to do is play your guitar. The FM3/FM9 imo is the best and I have tried EVERYTHING including Kemper, L6, TONEX, QC. i use the FM3 Turbo the most but do have the FM9 and III still in my small studio.

  • @Chillnote
    @Chillnote 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you for sharing! I am glad you were so honest about your experience. I am about to order my FM3

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks, and go for it. Do remember there is some getting used to those modelers. But if you invest the time, it will be worth it. Having said that, when I have to do a session I always take a regular amp and pedalboard. That may change, but I still feel much more relaxed when I am 100% certain that the guitar sound will be good for the artist. On a live gig, the people that you are working for are also in the same 'room/stage'. So all that 'amp in the room' sound that people expect will also be different to them when you are using a modeler. Having to explain them that they're hearing a mic'ed speaker and not just a guitar amp is not something I want to do. I want them to say: that's a great sound you got there. When it's my own band I take the FM3 because I know that the guys on stage are my bandmates and understand the modeling world. When I'm on stage with someone who might not have an idea of what modelers do (and I must say that most artist I'm working for don't) I take a Hook 45 combo and some pedals.

  • @carlossalazar4508
    @carlossalazar4508 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great playing Sir! Love the story about the about he journey.....

  • @henrykc3
    @henrykc3 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I owned FM3 and moved to FM9. I have to say that effects were great but modeling... something was not right, I started believing that my skills were not there, so I downloaded some presets done by popular youtubers, what sounded good for them, again it didn't sound for me. But I noticed that they use custom IRs. So I dug my Ownhammer IRs, chose Greeback 75 on the cone. and I could not believe what I heard... finally, finally I got it!

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I had the same experience with my first FM3. I also downloaded presets from the 'stars', and found them extremely 'over' processed for my needs. I bought a ste of IR's from Ownhammer as well (212 rectifier), made a massive difference!. Since I'm now using a power amp and speaker cab, I don't use the IR's anymore, for live situations. In the studio here, I always use them. Great stuff indeed!

    • @jamesryder9158
      @jamesryder9158 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PatDeJongeSoundwise power amp and guitar cab sounds better than the Laney LFR?

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jamesryder9158 hey, that is a tough one these days. I mean: I just bought the AustinBuddy Gold Pack and these presets are the real deal. They are meant to be used with just a powered speaker (FRFR) and they sound fantastic. So I'm doing that for the moment. As for your question: yes, to me the sound of the poweramp + guitar cab is more like 'cab in the room'. With the Laney I find that the louder you set the speaker, the less realistic it sounds. It's like the sound misses the typical capability of cutting through the sounds of other instruments, like a tube amp can. Those spikes in the frequencies that really cut through without you having to cranck the volume, that phenomenae a tube amp offers is not in the Laney. I think it has to do with the speaker. Using a regular guitar cab and a poweramp (pedal) seems to bring that back...to my ears at least.

    • @jamesryder9158
      @jamesryder9158 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PatDeJongeSoundwise thanks, I was going to get a Laney LFR 2x12 but will stick with my mesa 2x12 recto cab, I'm getting an FM 9 in a few days and am exited to hear the IRS through something other than just head phones, but don't want to spend an extra thousand dollars or so if it is not better sounding than an actual guitar cab, I am excited that Laney now has a LFR in a 4x12 version with some upgrades, it should hit the market in a couple of more months and that does sound exciting and am sure that we will get a lot of demos of that model once it hits

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jamesryder9158 Keep me posted about the differences between the FM9 and the FM3...I'm missing all the extra buttons! I'm considering either to sell the 3 and move to the 9, or buying another MIDI Captain, I already use one for my Boss RC600 looper). I tried the Captain on my FM3 and it works wonderful...and it's only 180$

  • @SamHooperGroup
    @SamHooperGroup 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for sharing your experience, man. I bet it will help a lot of people. Hopefully Fractal will make their instructions clearer too.

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Sam! I suppose when you designed and know the software inside out, it is sometimes hard to explain how it all works to a new user. We call this the 'disadvantage of the advantage'. I can forgive them that, it's just: it took me a really long time to figure it out, they owe me a coffee! ;)

  • @MikeSalopek
    @MikeSalopek 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I very glad you were able to crack this. Yeah the learning curve is quite high on the unit, in my case when I got the axe effects, I bought the Cooper Carter configuration class with it so all that was covered in the setup on his videos for me so I didn't have to experience what you experienced even though I would have had the same problem without that. Sounded so good I broke down and got an FM-3 for live. Absolutely love what you had at the front end of this recording That sounded awesome

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you man! I just bought the tonepacks from AustinBuddy and that helped me even further. Can you point me in the direction of thet Cooper Carter class? I haven't heard about that. And thanks for the nice comment about the playing, really appreciate that!

  • @rockstarjazzcat
    @rockstarjazzcat 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Congrats! 🤙🏻

  • @tlopez51
    @tlopez51 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I ditto your experience. Much can be said about the OOBE experience got Tchas. And kudos to you as it takes courage to be honest.

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for your comment! I'm glad I was not alone in this search. Actually, quite a few people reached out with their experience. Seems like we sometimes feel 'embarrassed' admitting we can't get the sound we were hoping for with these units. And I believe that should not be the case, these things should sound decent out of the box. They're not cheap :)

  • @deanandthebeans857
    @deanandthebeans857 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I cracked mine too! Dropped it down a flight of stairs, hasn't been the same since.

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      really? You would think software is software...is there something physically broken? That a shame...maybe they can fix it?

  • @walth9092
    @walth9092 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A simple call out to the forum would have solved this. Those people love helping anyone
    having a problem.

  • @2550marshall
    @2550marshall 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Don't beat yourself up, we have all had scenarios that happened to us like that. I remember the first time I realized the 2nd tone control on my strat was for the bridge only. WOW, what a difference that makes! BTW, I wonder if maybe when there were FW updates that it somehow got over-looked. I have the Fractal AF3 and mine did not come that way.

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha, I had a similar experience with one of my strats! That was before internet, so I thought is was broken. Even the guys in the store had no clue. You live and learn :)

  • @kevinp_25
    @kevinp_25 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've had a few Fractal products and never got one with cab modeling off at startup. This is the first time I've heard of that happening. Very strange. Regardless, it's great you got that solved because Fractals are incredibly good 👍

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Indeed buddy, out of all the people who watched this video, only 3 reported they had the same 'issue'. So it is very rare, but it happens. All of those units were purchased in Europe, so we think that maybe something happened when the distributor did an update. No biggie but I did sell my first unit because of that...I think. I will never really know of course. I'm glad it is solved, the unit is fantastic and the new update is a dream (gapless switching!)

  • @stefborremans-hy3us
    @stefborremans-hy3us 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Unbelievable! My Axe-FX 3 came shipped with amp & cab sim on. Weird that the factory settings disable that ...

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      indeed...I think they did a software update somewhere down the line and then accidentally switched it off. it's a mystery to me

  • @akhileshhiremath5976
    @akhileshhiremath5976 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Considering using Fm3 only in studio , Fm3 with DI to Studio monitors ? won't sound good ?

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, that will sound really good! Just check, in the Global settings on the device, that the Cab sims are not 'bypassed'.

  • @paulbradshawguitar
    @paulbradshawguitar 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    interesting, as far as i know the default global/cabinet is set to Active by default, any higher gain amps/presets would sound atrocious without any IRs, running direct
    sorry that was the case
    otherwise, I've got an orange pedal baby and a cab in case i want to go that route, but using IEMs exclusively with the band and a silent stage for almost 2 years now, really used to it now and works for us
    if it's any use, while testing OUT2 for the power amp/cab setup, having a GEQ block before out2 set to JMPre-1 was quite handy in dialing things in if needs be on the unit (with a simple bass,middle,treble,presence)
    the NEWT looks like it has a lot of settings however to do that straight on the unit, but having a simple guitar orientated EQ before the power amp output was quite useful for me

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      hi Paul, thanks for the tip! I'm having a love-hate relation with the FM3 now...I use it for a new project and some days I really like the unit, other days I think it sounds awfull. I really wish I had a steady 'feel' about the thing, then I could act upon that, but it seems to shift all the time. Even today i build a full pedalboard (with a Gigrig G3 switcher) and after 30 minutes of testing it I decided to start again and use the FM3. Now I think I'm struggling more with the latency build up in my chain than with the quality of the sounds. It never ends :)

    • @paulbradshawguitar
      @paulbradshawguitar 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PatDeJongeSoundwise the journey never ends indeed =)
      if it helps i think it might be a case of finding the best use case scenario for whatever unit/setup you want to use instead of one device to do it all, which is a huge challenge in itself
      there are some gigs/sessions where say a pedalboard into a small combo amp really shines and others where they require a silent stage /DI options and everyone on in ears (where modelling really excels)
      the big thing for me was having a consistent monitoring situation, where the FM3 is always consistent and sounds and feels good, this is through monitors at home, and then IEMs with the band (we play metal i'll just add), outside of ear fatigue 😄it'll always sound the same
      the amount of gigs where monitoring was haphazard, or you couldn't really hear yourself depending on where you were on stage etc.. are all things of the past with this setup
      so if stuff out front now always sounds great it's just a case perhaps of trying to thorougly improve how you're hearing/monitoring the FM3, now i'm not as versed with the power amp/cab setup, but there's quite a difference with how various power amps will perform and feel, i've tried a few class D power amps (SD power stage, even some bass stuff the Warwick gnome or TC Bam ) it was still some kind of compromise and it still sounded like 'a monitor sound through a cab' if that makes sense, i'm yet to try FRFR but not sure if that'll be any better to be honest
      maybe it's worth spending some time trying some other power amps, and if you want to try something else within the FM3, i'd suggest exploring the 'speaker' page within the amp block tab and experiment with speaker impedance curves that better match your amp/cab situation, it makes a lot of difference

  • @ksharpe10
    @ksharpe10 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ahh Global Settings, it used to be just line out and one other, but now much more complicated. Global was always something in the modellers you had to be aware of.

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Indeed. And once you know it's obvious...but that takes a while :)

  • @kitchendezina
    @kitchendezina 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow! Wondering why mine was sounding fizzy. Cabinet modelling was bypassed on mine too.

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      oh! Quite unreal he? I'm glad you solved it as well. It would've been a 'return the damn thing' issue if I didn't figure it out. Night and day difference. All the best, and enjoy the real sounds now :)

    • @kitchendezina
      @kitchendezina 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I bought it used. I wonder if the seller knew that is was bypassed? Anyway, love how it sounds now. I'm glad I saw your video. Thank you

  • @echopoint8817
    @echopoint8817 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Shows you that you probably should read the manual on a complex piece of gear before using it live… been there done that as well

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Indeed, my bad. But, to my defense, the cab block being 'bypassed' in the global setting...that was not in the manual. Well...you live and learn

    • @alexanderbrauer1530
      @alexanderbrauer1530 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@PatDeJongeSoundwise But also great to create a 15 minute video about all the things you`ve overseen and blaming Fractal for this. It`s not an 1 cannel amp, it`s a computer with gazillions of possibillities and to be honest here lies the problem definitely on the "user" side...BTW great Guitar playing,,chapeau👍

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alexanderbrauer1530 Indeed...well my first modeler was a Line6 kidney pod and the first line in the manual was : 'Manual? I don't need no stinking manual!'. That line stuck with me and I always hoped it was true...but not :)

  • @borisv8766
    @borisv8766 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd guess you tried a few IRs / cab blocks even on your first FM3 try. Wasn't it noticeable that upon switching IRs / cab blocks sound doesn't change *at all* ?

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Indeed. But I started out with a FRFR and the sound was really bad, maybe the cab block was bypassed in the global setting. No idea. Then I got that Laney LFR and the sound was much better (I had to bypass the cab block in my preset for the Laney, it is advertised as a 'guitar speaker' after all) and I fed the FOH from output 1. So I actually never checked that global bypass state.

  • @sgmarshall3
    @sgmarshall3 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The FM3 is confusing to use. I can't even get mine in stereo. Great tones, but it isn't really for me. I like simplicity.

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I hear you buddy, it's a steep uphill learning curve indeed. If I would design a modeler 'simplicity' would be on the top of my list. We are musicians, not IT-ers ;)

    • @r.llynch4124
      @r.llynch4124 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm no computer geek and found Fractals stuff pretty simple. You should be able to setup a great sounding preset in a few min. The deeper diving is not required unless you want to.

  • @luizotaviozorzella
    @luizotaviozorzella 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Funny... I'm pretty sure that the cab modeling is supposed to be on by default. This is what is doc'ed in the manual, and it was my experience as well...

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Indeed, that's how it should be. I guess they did an update before shipping the unit and must have accidentally swxitched the status...

  • @jimmywilliams3972
    @jimmywilliams3972 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I never had any problems with mine. I can’t understand where you are coming from.

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      hey, thanks for your comment. What part of the explanation was unclear? The Cab sim being Bypassed in the global setting is the issue here. I'm sure it was a mistake, maybe after they did an update. But it nearly closed the chapter on modeling for me ;)

    • @souralba2727
      @souralba2727 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@PatDeJongeSoundwiseproblem is that tone is subjective. What you think sounds shit maybe someones perfect tone.

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@souralba2727 I absolutely agree.

  • @millman82
    @millman82 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    So, you basically just wanted the sound of a guitar cab on stage and not the sound of a mic’d cab. If you were already used to having a back line that was mic’d behind or under the stage with an onstage monitor or IEMs; you would have been able to just plug it in and you would have been right at home.
    An IR is recreating the sound of a cab through a mic through a mic preamp. No one hears the sound of the un-mic’d cab except for you.
    Also, if you dial in the live sound at home it will also sound different at live volume. The highs become accentuated (Fletcher Munson). So, set the high cut on the mic preamp to between 5600 and 8000 Hz depending on the cab.
    Last, not sure why your cab modeling was disabled by the factory if it was new. I’ve bought a FM3, FM9 Turbo, and an FM3 Mark II Turbo and none of them came with the cab modeling disabled.

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      thanks for taking the time to give me this info!
      Yes, I am trying to find a way to have a bit of that 'amp in the room' vibe on stage. We play pretty loud and with a standard guitar setup I can always find my guitar in all that noise. Seems to be much more difficult with a FRFR or wedge (unless you cranck it up). For the moment I'm quite happy with my rig: FM3 + Amp pedal + Guitar cab. It's just: I would like to use all the Cab/IR options the FM3 offers, so still on the lookout for a cab with build in amp for that. The new Fender cab look nice, but I'm worried about the noise floor. Seems to be pretty loud.
      I do turn down the hi freq above 6khz, that helps a lot.
      And I think the cab block was accidentally set to bypass when the distributor did the firmware update before shipping the unit to me.

    • @millman82
      @millman82 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PatDeJongeSoundwise yeah, guitar cabs have a narrower frequency range than a modeler which is why setting high and low cuts is so important. I actually really like a FRFR even though it doesn’t hit like a cab because they broadcast in a much wider cone. You basically have to be right in front of a guitar cab to really hear it or to get that interplay with the guitar creating feedback. A FRFR with its wider dispersion means it interacts with the guitar more broadly without needing to find just the right spot to stand. That part about feedback can also be a negative. Depending on what you are wanting out of it.
      I’m surprised you struggled with the Laney. Perhaps the main issue was you has the 1x12 instead of the 2x12 version? Guthrie Goven has been using the Laney to great effect but he uses two 2x12 cabs on stage.

  • @rigelloar7474
    @rigelloar7474 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Don't kid yourself. The muses are NOT moved by simulations.

    • @PatDeJongeSoundwise
      @PatDeJongeSoundwise  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Amen to that!

    • @rigelloar7474
      @rigelloar7474 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@PatDeJongeSoundwise Our audience doesn't see it, but REAL mastery, is our service to the muses, all the maestros know it. . . . . . . .