The Bluetti Charging Enhancer Accepts More Than 60V?! Let's Find Out!
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- I've heard that the D050S Bluetti Charging Enhancer takes up to 75 volts instead of the rated 60 volts!? In this video we will test to find out!
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Now that we know the D050S can handle more than 60v input, would I recommend doing it?
Hmmmm.... well I think if your solar panel VOC is pretty close to the 60v cutoff, I think you'll be fine. If you're going to be pushing it into the low 70's you might be at a higher risk of damaging the charger...especially if it's cold outside since your panels will get higher voltage at cold temps. NOTE: all the voltages seen in the video are VOC and remember the voltage under load (Vmp) will drop down significantly and most likely will be around 45v-55v. Give me your thoughts, what do you think!?
It might be good to open it up and verify voltage ratings of the input capacitors. It's harder to verify mosfet voltage ratings (part number, look in spec sheet), but those might also be critical.
Hopefully they did do input voltage detection and shut it off at a safe level, but that is actually rather difficult and so typically a spec is given that allows some safety margin. But if you intentionally intrude into that margin and something burns up then it is your responsibility. Trying to get Bluetti to warranty or other replace equipment damaged by violating the specs would be dishonest.
I don't see what the problem is with a 60v limit. How many amps can it take? watts / amps = volts and you can compute the minimum voltage to get the full power. Or you can watts / volts = amps to compute the amps at whatever voltage you have. The Delta 2 and Delta 2 Max have a similar limit and you can find the appropriate panels to series & parallel to provide enough amps at a voltage within specification.
@@Sylvan_dB I'll explain why the 60v cutoff is pure garbage on these devices (EcoFlow, Anker, Jackery, and Bluetti all do it...) The input specs for this D050s are 60v @ 10amps, for 500 watts output. Is that 500 watts attainable with most solar panels? No, I'll explain that here in a second. Once you work with solar panels you'll understand that this 500 watts is basically false advertising on Bluetti's part for 99% of solar panels on the market (I have found ONE exception so far after looking at hundreds of panels...only NewPowa 180w panels keep under 60VOC). I basically showed this false advertising off in my first video on the D050s...
A 2S solar panel configuration will get you about 48VOC and 35Vmp. Remember the peak voltage (VOC) only happens when the solar panels aren't producing power. Once they start putting out power the voltage drops down to their Vmp rating. This means the higher VOC level is not a problem when solar panels are producing power, it's only right when you connect it up or if the charger is sitting idle. How much power will you get from two 180w 12v panels in series? They produce their peak power at 35 volts @ 10 amps, which is only 350 watts. That's the highest wattage you can expect on the D050s and that's only in perfect solar conditions. Realistically you would see 280 to 300 watts from those two solar panels in series.
But how do you get the claimed 500 watts that Bluetti advertises?! Since the Bluetti charging enhancer has the 60 volt cutoff you can't connect solar panels in a 3S configuration because they usually have 64VOC to 75VOC. To get the full power on the charging enhancer you need 48-50 volts @ 10 amps which is only attainable with a 3S configuration but too bad their VOC goes over 60 volts. So now you should see what having a slightly higher VOC limit allows for the full 500 watt charging amount as I showed in this video.
@@Jasonoid 10 amps does make it hard! That means to meet the specs you have to be at least 50v but no more than 60v. That's a lot worse than the Delta 2 which can do 15 amps, meaning you can get the 500 watts as low as 34 volt. It sounds like Bluetti didn't think it thru very well!
The panel I’ve found that has the most favorable ratings for the D050S in a 3S configuration is the Kosta 200 watt PV. I haven’t independently verified it, but it is rated as follows & is priced competitively:
Max Operating Voltage (Vmpp): 18.90Volts
Max Operating Current (Imp): 10.58Amps
Open Circuit Voltage (Voc): 21.86Volts
Short Circuit Current (Isc): 10.99 Amps
So open circuit would be slightly over briefly, than it would be well within spec. Thanks for the excellent video.
Ohh also, I’ve found my Bluetti max tops out at a sustained 920-922 watts of PV. The extra power capacity is nice.
I'd rather have the manufacturer's specs be slightly below an actual performance threshold than above.
I think if they documented it more clearly it would allow for more usability. For example, they could have said, working voltage 60v and under, VOC peak up to 75 volts. Once these panels start producing power you'd see around 45v to 55v and they would be below the 60v cutoff.
Good to know they built in some wiggle room, that opens up a lot more wiring options. Great tests, Jason!
I use 4 Bouge rv CIGs Yuma 200 watt panels on my truck camper.2 - 200 watt in series (25v/8+a +/- 5%) on one side of the Bluetti AC200MAX and the same on the D050s enhancer side. I can use more on the solar side but it seems that it works pretty good. I have also charged with Dokio 300 watt (Great for low light/overcast days), 420, 350, and 200 watt Bluetti panels and to be honest a 420 on one side and 350 on the other if you are not running anything high will do.
A little history...I have known this for a couple of years. I posted in the Bluetti group twice about this. Once in October 2021 and another time in July 2023. Bluetti told me in an email exchange with them about 2 years ago that 75 Voc was the limit. Bluetti confirmed it again in July of this year that it was designed to take up to 75 Voc but they have not changed it from 60 Voc and replied after I asked them to correct their documentation:
"We will hold onto it for now. However, we will pass your feedback on to our technical team, and they may reassess the situation."
I have been using it with up to about 71 Voc for 2 years now.
The reason that I even thought to ask about a possible higher Voc was that they were bundling the DC Enhancer with 3 SP120 panels which would have a total Voc of 23.7 x 3 or 71.1 Voc. I thought that if they were bundling it with 3 panels totaling 71.1 Voc, that they intended it to work with them. So I asked, and they said that it would. As you showed, it offers many more options for panels to get closer to the 500 watt max with the 10 amp limit.
10amp at 71v is 710 watt. Can you over panel it on the Amp side and by how much ?
It is interesting as their portable PV panels are pretty optimistically overrated. It is curious that no other channel has even tested for this, but then again, you are one of few that have actually tested this product. Great to know as i have three of these for the AC200MAX and the two B230 batteries. Great and useful review as always, thanks!
I'm just glad it goes slightly over the 60v cutoff since it will allow the use of more brands of solar panels. When under load the solar panel voltage will drop down below 60v, it's just the VOC that's going to be higher right when you connect it up. Thanks for watching, John :)
I saw this on a bluetti Facebook group about 2 months ago. They have no desire to change the spec nor make an offical statement about it- typical bluetti customer support 😂. As a AC200P, 200Max, B230 & DO50S owner now having the ability to do a 3S panel setup makes it actually worth buying a second DO50S.
I had people commenting on my channel about how they used certain panels in series and it was working.... I was like how does that work, the VOC of those panels was above 60v? Haha Well now we know!
Yeah I got 2 as in Asia they're only charging $80 USD for them on Lazada and Shopee. Go figure....$200 plus tax in USA.
That device is hard to get. 9 out of 10 times when I look it’s sold out.
But I do have one. And I don’t even have a BLUETTI.
questions :
1) can I use this on other solar generators as well? It should theoretically work. Or at least it should if the AC input wattage can be set at the solar generator
2) can you over panel it? If so, then you should be able to get close to 750 watt out of it.
I would think there’s a reason why! I sure when they determined the upper limit, they realized this. If i say someone lied, its because they are overstating something rather than under stating. Just because it can doesn’t mean it should. Did you reach out to them as they might have told you?
I'm pretty sure they just wanted to match the 60v input as all their other products.
It's common for devices to have padding in a specification to handle spikes and other anomalies without frying. I'd be curious if 75V is pushing it well into a duty cycle that it can't support and if all components in that chain inside the regulator can support it without overheating. Interesting information regardless though. Good luck!
The higher limit is mostly helpful for VOC when the panels arent producing power but they are resting. Remember that when panels are at peak power the voltage drops significantly and that will be under 60 volts.
Stop the BS saying they lied. I’m subscribed to you because you project honesty. 😢
I told the truth in this video.... and showed you how to get more power!
This was so helpful Jason! It really opens up choices!!!! Fantastic testing!!!!!
Thanks so much!
Glad it was helpful!
Good stuff 👍
This is why we test. To see if it’s accurate. Will it hold certain limits or not.
Good test Jason and not just going by specs 👍🏼
Thanks for this solid info. If I get a second solar panel array I'll get this DC enhancer.
TIP: Keep the supply cords running from yer solar panels shaded from sunlight and other heat sources for better conductivity. That's why the solar panels work better at lower temperatures.
My permanent solar wires are buried in conduit underground so they are nice and cool and not in direct sunlight.
To be safe id make sure you can charge the Bluetti for more than a few minutes. Sometimes when you exceed the stated voltage the unit will heat up to unsafe temperatures.
It ran for over an hour in my testing, it's rated for 500 watts and I never saw it go over that amount so it should be fine pushing the rated power.
this is cool. Now I'm going to try hooking up 2 to of my 30.1 volt 250 watt panels to one of these to see how it works charging one of my b300s batteries. Thanks for the video!
Good luck!
Thank you 😊
Great video Jason. I am a recent subscriber. Btw the DO5OS manual says it has a amp max of 8.2amp. Even though the Ac200max has the current limit of 10amp.
Yeah, the Bluetti charging enhancer is designed to be compatible with many of Bluettis older devices.
@@Jasonoid do you think a grid tied inverter would do the same as the DO5OS?
@@DeSilver215 no, it functions very differently. A grid tie inverter takes DC solar power and turns it into AC power. The charging enhancer takes DC solar power and makes it 58.8v DC.
Hi Jason, I am curious how the bluetti power station ac inlet can handle 450w Dc via the 7909 barrel plug from the enhance charger in your video.
@@DeSilver215 the charging enhancer is a DC to DC booster, it takes the voltage of your input and converts it to 58.8v.
It does exactly what the AC wall charger does, it puts out 58.8v DC.
Thanks for the video. I have 720 watts of solar on my van roof, and would like to add maybe 100-200 watts more, and I have been looking everywhere for one of these charging enhancers but everyone seems to be out of stock. Have they quit making them? I have the Bluetti ac200p and I love it. Been on the road a year and it just works.
They are hard to get. Took me a while to get mine. Keep checking their website every 2 weeks. You’ll get it eventually
@@TheCornucopiaProject-bd5jk Thank you.
Excellent info! Thanks…
It's nice to know you can hit the 500 watt limit with a more variety of solar panels.
What "can" be done and what is prudent are not always the same thing. If Bluetti says to limit the input to 60 volts, I would definitely stick to that limit.
The 'working voltage' of these panels (Vmp) will be under 60 volts once they are producing power. These VOC numbers are only higher than 60 volts when the panels are just connected and and sitting idle. Remember that when producing they are producing 450 to 500 watts, the panels will be around 45 to 50 volts (well under the 60v). I should have demonstrated that in the video ...(face-palm)
@@Jasonoid - Very good point, but it's never a good idea to size things for when everything is going right. Right or wrong, I do err on the side of caution.
I have a 55 volt mppt charge controller and when I took it apart it had 63 volt rated input capacitors. I wouldn't want to go over 63 volts because it might damage it. Check the input capacitors on your Bluetti to see what capacitors it has.
I purchased the enhancer mostly to run a different watt solar set. I can run a Bluetti 420w on the regular solar connection and then two EcoFlow 160w (each) with the charge enhancer. Is that good?
Mystery solved! Fantastic video Jason with some great, smaller panel testing. I have used the charging enhancer for about a year but never thought to push it over 60 volts! I have 3 of the Renogy 200 watt panels with a VOC of 23 Volts. I live in Central Florida and it really never gets cold so I think three panels in series will be ok (69 Volts voc). As I mentioned I typically don't get near the voc when I use any of my arrays. I will definitely test first like you did with my voltmeter. Thank you again.
Heat brings down the voltage a bit. If you are in a hot climate you'll probably never get close to the 60 volt "limit" haha.
Good test, I was looking for a way to add more watts coming in with this enhancer.
Thanks Jason, good info - I have both AC200MAX and D050s
Good video Jason. I bought 2 of these as I now have a B300 battery to go with my AC200MAX and now I can rin air-conditioning 24/7 in my tropical tiny home.
Luckily, they only charge $80 in Asia for the D050S so I have 2. Still would like to know if a cheap step up mppt would do the same job...
These have a very specific output of 58.8volts, and I'm not sure if they function like a dedicated charger or just a 'power supply'. It would be hard to find a third party product that performs in the same way.
@@Jasonoid Hi Jason, According to the WaveformScience review they work the same as an MPPT charger with a charging curve. I am wondering if they could be used to charge a 48V server rack battery using a DC7909 female to battery adapter. What do you think about testing that? I also wonder if the T500 could be used to charge a 48V server battery from mains. It could be a low cost way for Bluetti owners to get an expansion battery and charge it without needed to buy additional chargers.
@@AnswerIs101010 it might be worth testing that out, thanks for the heads up
I watched a lot of your videos on TH-cam and never skip the advertisement to help your channel. I recently bought a Bluetti ac200max . How can I fast charge it to my truck alternator using Victron inverter or using D050s enhancer. Can you make a video please on this kind of connection. Thanks Jason.
This video is about fast car charging:
th-cam.com/video/I78RxjRXTn4/w-d-xo.html
You could also use your ac inverter and the wall charger.
Good to know. Thank you.
You're welcome
My 2nd AC200P just quit two weeks ago. 2.5 years old and won't take a charge or 'wake-up'. Waiting to hear back from Bluetti several days now. Registered after purchase so it should have the two year warranty extension. take care, rh
I hope they take care of you! What do you use your power stations for usually?
@@Jasonoid - Most everything that requires any 'real' power: refrigerator, microwave, induction cook-top, air-circulation and window A/C on warmer days, air-circulation on cold days from wood burning stove, as well as LED lighting and my computer monitor/sound. Also charge the Nissan Leaf in 1.5 KW increments which total all I need (retired).
Still draw some power from the most expensive provider in the country (SDGE San Diego). My bill this month was $29.00 for 69 kilowatts + $5.00 gas. (.35cents/kw on the 'care' program!) Have yet to hear from Bluetti. I DO enjoy your reviews ! ! thanks, rh
This is such a trip. I'm looking at my 2s 2p 100 watt Newpowa string and it's reading 55.4 volts through the charge enhancer. The same panels ran in a 6S, 2P are on the main input and they are only running 98 to little over 100 volts right now. I've never been able to go over the 60 on the charge enhancer. I've always felt like it reads the voltage incorrectly.
The voltage on the screen (if you expand the AC input screen) is the voltage of the internal battery, not the input voltage from the device. It will stop charging around the 58v mark. If you had an inline voltmeter on your solar panel, it would read around 33v to 35v under peak power.
Once again…great review. Thanks for the heads up. I have the DC enhancer. I’ve been connecting it to the 24 volt dc on the ac300 to charge the ac200 max with an expansion battery. BLUETTI should have increased the solar input on the AC 200 max from 900 watts to at least 1200 watts. The enhancer is a big help for the 200 max especially if you have an expansion battery. Thanks to your video, if I do decide to have an additional solar array for the enhancer I know I can “cheat” a little.
We always try to get the most of our solar panels, now we can get a little more!
I like your idea there. Curious how else you use the AC300 and the 200max together?
Newpowa still makes those 180 panels, and they are even better now because they are 9bb instead of 5bb still under 20 voc. I bought 3 of them on Amazon for my bluetti ac180 and get 500 watts.
The 9bb model panels have higher that 20VOC, I have only see the 5bb model with lower VOC. Where did you find the newer panels with the low VOC?
It drives me crazy that so many companies do this. I've seen where you can go over 60v no problem but if you have an issue and you go over 60v it voids the warranty. Feels like a trap a lot of the time.
Companies need to make the voltage tolerances more reasonable on their priducts so their products can have a wider usage.
Any idea why they are sold out? They have no idea when they will be back in stock.
Many of their new power stations don't use this. They are probably phasing this out.
So it's basically a DC to AC inverter so you can take advantage of some extra solar and the dual charging setup of the Bluetti? Couldn't you just make one? Or find one out there with a larger output? I have a DC to DC boost converter that will output up to 90v and input up to 60v for about $40, there's got to be something kicking around out there that's a DC to AC output that you can attach whatever leads you want like my boost converter. I have 5.5x2.1's on there but it justs have a positive and negative screws on there for input and output. Hell I could stick alligator clamps on there if I liked or even bare wires. It's a good idea but $200 is a little steep for a max of 500w, but I'm assuming it's taking in consideration of the max 900w of solar was being used at the same time.
Its a DC to DC converter that puts out 58.8v. There could be some built in charging processes going on since I don't think it's just a boost converter. Hard to know, maybe I should take it apart!
58.8v is the terminal voltage for a 52v lithium-ion battery. Same as my ebike ironically. I use my little MPT-7210 to charge my ebike battery. Since looking closer at your video I noticed the end looks like an 8mm barrel plug is that correct? That's normally a solar connection and you said it plugs into the AC wall input? I'm assuming the AC wall interface is just an 8mm connector. If so I wonder how many volts just that 8mm will accept. It would be interesting to put on an 8mm connector to your power supply and plug it in the same input and slowly ramp up the voltage until the cutoff to see what really is going on and the upper limit to what that plug will take in regards to voltage. I have a feeling this can be done for a lot less than $200. If it's just literally a straight boost converter then when you ramped it up to 75 volts, that's would what be pumping out on the 8mm end as a boost converter can only boost not reduce voltage like a buck converter. So it can only go as low as what's being inputted. If this unit has some sort of buck or voltage regulation capabilities than the 8mm end would have a straight 58.8v output if within the minimum and maximum parameters. Perhaps Bluetti is saying it only goes to 60v because anymore will generate a lot of waste heat if this unit has some limited buck or voltage regulation features and just doesn't want someone with a name starting with "J" to stick his whole solar panel array on there to see if it will work. 🙂I want to see what the output end voltage is if you are boosting it past the 60v mark. Is there any literature on the max amps and voltage for the AC input? If it's capping at 58.8v perhaps it's a 52v system inside. However as you pumped the voltage the Bluetti accepted the increased wattage. I have a feeling that AC port can accept a little more than 58.8v. I use the same technique when charging my Golabs R300 to get around it's 3 amp input limit. I put my boost converter on there and ramp it up to it's max input of 23.5v at 3amp and get 70 watts(67 with losses)going in there. Quite a bit more than the wall wart at 45 watts(43 with losses) or 60w(57 with losses)USB-C PD port. If hypothetically the Bluetti say can accept 10 amps in there. At 58.8v that's a max of 588w. But at 75 volts that's 750w. Interesting. If that's the case, it's better to buy the $40 MPT-7210(or something slightly better) and just set the parameters accordingly. You can spend the extra $160 on booze and experimental electronics as God intended. My guess is there are 2 MPPT controllers in the Bluetti, one for solar and one for the AC input. Or one MPPT controller(to save money) with 2 inputs with different parameters. They may be different parameters who knows maybe I'll download the manual. The AC power unit is just simulating a constant voltage and amp rating of a solar input to pump out X watts but it's really just a buck converter converting 120v 15amp into whatever that MPPT controller will accept safely with a margin of error. What this is doing is the same thing but instead of using a buck converter to step down the voltage it's using a boost converter to boost it from the lower voltage of solar panels. Excellent video.
EDIT: On their website it just says 900w solar and 500w AC, they're not giving me real numbers. I'm assuming they don't want us to reverse engineer their products. The gall! However what does the AC wall wart pump out in amps?(60v x 8amps is 480watts maybe?) You could just simulate what the wall wart is pumping out and slowly ramp up the voltage in tiny increments until cutoff. That'll fix 'em! 🙂 Who knows maybe there is a hard cap at 500w. Be interesting to find out.@@Jasonoid
Hello! Se puede usar con la Delta2 Max, para aumentar la potencia de un panel de 54,4v y 11,84A ? Ahora me da maximo 250w el panel…con el D050S me puede subir algo más los watios? Gracias Jasón, como siempre un gran trabajo
Hello Jason. If you don't mind voiding the warranty it would be really interesting to check the internal components for their voltage rating. Could be that e.g. relais inside are only rated for 60V. I recently had issues with such on voltage protection circuits where the chinese manufacturers were selling them for 48V batteries while the relais inside were rated for 30V DC only and got stuck.
I'm not worried about warranties haha. I think I've already voided that by pushing it above 60v LOL... I might open it up and take a look.
@Jasonoid please do as I asked Bluetti and they don't even reply making sense, they said don't go over 8A, and said it's not a step up converter when clearly it is if you can go as low as 12v and the output is 58.8v. Going from 12v to 58.8v output is a voltage step up in my book!
@@fromtheflightdeck252 usually it's a language barrier that's a problem. If you try to ask complicated questions the support staff are unable to help since they only know the very basics of the product, sometimes they can only refer to the owners manual.
Good to see the OCV for the panels. Did you also measure the voltage for each set of panels when they were connected and providing power?
The voltage under peak load is much lower than VOC. Once the panels are producing power the voltage will be around 48 to 52 volts, depending on the panels. Just look on the panel specs for the Vmp number.
Might the high voltage be bad for the enhancer's lifespan? Also, what about the 10 amp limitation? My new Bluetti 420W panels say 12 amps.....
Couldn’t you get around this high voltage by connecting in parallel?
This has an amperage limit of 10 amps, so putting solar panels in parallel won't benefit anything.
Thanks Jason 💐
Great info as always 😊👍
Glad it was helpful!
can this enchancer be used for charging the ac200max with the car alternator? thanks for the video
This is a much better option for fast car charging:
th-cam.com/video/I78RxjRXTn4/w-d-xo.html
With the charging enhancer it wont charge much faster than just charging off a 12v socket.
I bought a 600W voltage enhancer for 19 bucks on Amazon... The DS050s is just good marketing. Nothing more
Apoesar 600W High Power DC to DC Boost Converter DC 12-60V to 12-80V Boost Module Board Step-up Transformer
Thats AWESOME! What type of power do you see from your version?
@@Jasonoid I can get 40 V (input voltage) x 10 amps = 400 W . I use it to connect 2x 200W Solar PV panels from Renogy.
My Bluetti AC200P has then : 600W (3x 200W Renogy PVs) on the PV input, and 400W (2x 200W Renogy PVs) on DC transformer input, for a total of 1000W PV input power. All this is used to power my Ford Transit camper van. I have built a "Input power" switch board where I decide which energy to use as input: 2x DC transformers connected to the grid AC, or 2x Solar input, or other
Can this be used with my renogy 40a dc to dc charge controller from my start battery
No. It’s mc4 to AC out. Your dc/dc controller connects directly to a LFP battery. This device connect to the AC-IN on your solar generator.
Where are you getting the long charging cables?
Custom built cables using 12-2 landscape cable that's uv resistant.
Wonder if they rated it based on the Vmp? That doesn't seem very safe though especially with panels like CIGS where the VOC and Vmp are much further apart
They have a lot of devices that have the 60v cutoff. I think they just matched those to not cause confusion.
There could be other reasons why they rated it for 60v, such as what their cooling solution in the design is rated to accommodate for long periods
It's got fans that crank up pretty loud and fast, I don't think that's the case.
Yes i would like to open it up and see what the voltage rating is for the components on the input side of the circuit
Are you familiar with the new BougeRV 300 watt 10BB solar panels? They cost $379 on Amazon but they are rated at only 20.8V VOC. So couldn’t someone just use two of those in series to charge the BLUETTI or an Ecoflow Delta 2 which has a 60V input limit to get to 500 watts solar input?
What's the amperage of those panels? The charging enhancer has a 10 amp limit unfortunately.
@@Jasonoid looks like max power current imp is 17.14 A and short circuit current isc is 18.85 A. Not sure which one is relevant but both are way over 10A.
can this be used on other power stations? i.e. Anker 767
No, it doesn't have a similar charging port.
Can you use a 10 amp DC Dc charger as an input into the D50
Doesn't a DC to DC charger still put out 14v like the battery itself? I don't think you'll see a higher wattage or faster charging with that.
@@Jasonoid but would it work, i am looking for a way to charge my ac200 max while driving.
The Bluetti charging enhancer isn't worth it, this is a much better option:
th-cam.com/video/NqnYaqMwktE/w-d-xo.html
I am curious to see if I can use this with 3 of my Bouge 180W panels (21.6V Voc each) with my Eb150. Supposedly the EB150 can take up to 66V (60V on the label) and I have only been using 2 panels because of both the EB150 limit and Charge Enhancer limits.
Well I did test panels in this video with 23.9v and 24v VOC which are lower than your BougeRV panels. The only thing I'd worry about would be using those panels in super cold temps. You'd want to check the VOC before connecting. I wouldn't recommend going above 75v ever.
I think it’s great that you found that ability on the dc enhancer. Does this mean the AC 180 which range is also 12v - 60v will do the same?
I haven't tested that so I wouldn't recommend it.
My AC180 cuts out at like 61.5v. The voltage spec makes it really difficult to get to 500W.
@@DougKremer thank you for clarifying Doug! Thr 60v cutoff is pretty annoying... We are seeing it all the time now. That's why this is pretty cool that the D050s allows for more voltage input.
@@Jasonoid Those three newpowa 180’s are about perfect for the spec though. It’s super annoying. They really needed to open it up to 75V or 15A.
maybe they should update the labeling and state the actual cut off voltage.
Or at least say the VOC limit is 75v with the working voltage 60v and under. Under load most of these panels will be around 48v to 55v anyways (since solar voltage drops under load).
agreed
I would like to see you do a test of how much radio interference all these chargers, inverters and power charging "enhancers" (buck / boost circuits) create. Thank you.
How would you like to see that tested? Which models specifically?
Hi. They all generate some RFI, with some worse than others. You can test them by placing an AM portable radio near to the device, but that is only a very crude test. Effective for video and the layman, but crude nonetheless. A better approach is to use a spectrum analyzer. The "Tiny SA" is inexpensive...about $100) and will show a spectrum of what frequency bands are affected and the strength of the interference. Hope that helps.
Not all devices like this are bad. Some are much better than others. An educated and informed consumer will help to improve design and encourage manufacturers to build better products.
The noise is conducted from the device through the wires, which become an antenna. The AC mains in the house walls are a large antenna that radiates the noise very well and then it passes through the breaker panel and out to the street where it interferes with the neighbors. The noise is often heard several blocks away from the source.
Today, there is an ever increasing "noise pollution" that is interfering with radio transmission, and most manufacturers do not design or install the proper filtering components into their chargers in order to make a larger profit. This is part of the reason why some automobile manufacturers tried to remove AM from their car radios. They could not remove the extremely high level of interference from their electric motors and onboard electronics. Thankfully a few Senators got involved and changed that (for the time being).
Keep up the good work. The reviews you do are great. @@Jasonoid
@@WECB640 thanks for the clarification! I've recently started testing power stations with an AM radio on both the DC output and AC output. The first video was the Pecron E1500LFP a couple weeks ago, the next one will be the Jackery 2000 plus. I'll continue to test with my guitar amp, AM radio, and EMI meter to see how much noise these devices produce.
I asked Bluetti and the reply was it's not a boost converter! I said you say you can put 12v in and it outputs 58.8v......isn't that a boost????
This is helpful. Have that charging enhancer and, while not sure how higher current flow through may affect battery life, good to know I can input (through both solar and AC ports) a higher total amount of energy into my Bluetti. An amount much closer to the inverter's max output using additional panels. Allows a lot more headroom on what can be powered in real time by sun.
It works w/ b300 also right?
Yessir
@@Jasonoid why does bluetti say it doesn't?
Nevermind. I meant with attached to the ac300.
How about the a.ps being over 10amps. I was gonna use a 500 watt panel thats voc is 46v, but the amps are almost 14 amps which is over the 10 amp specs. Does the amps matter or will the enhancer onpull 10 amps max. I dont want smoke chech the enhancer :)
The enhancer will limit the amperage below 10 amps.
@@Jasonoid excellent, thank you!!
Honestly all these portable power stations and such seem to lie. They have volt and amp ranges that make it impossible to get the real wattage in the real world without overpaneling the amps. But it's nice to see a lie that benefits the users who were willing to risk it.
I actually use my charge enhancer to allow me to use 12v panels to slowly charge the AC200 but I might have done this if I had known. But I modified the AC200 by adding battery terminals and now its hooked up in parallel to a server rack battery on my house solar now.
That sounds like a sweet project!
It reminds me of the EB150 and EB240 which were originally rated for 16-60 volts, but later was revised to 16-68 volts. That said, "lying" is clickbait, IMO, and gives an immediate unfavorable view of the product AND the company -- and there are CYA reasons for doing it. This is why some reviewers test how many volts or amps can really go through something. "Did Bluetti lie?" might have been better, because the headline title makes it sound like they sold customers a worse product, not a better one. And in any event, I don't think it was a "lie" but a conservative specification. Yes, you need more than 60V to realistically get 500W out of this in the real world, but still....
I understand where you're coming from but on youtube today fighting for views is a major challenge. Each video I post is an 'experiment' in order to see if youtube will ACTUALLY recommend my video or if it will just sweep it under the rug. It's super frustrating to spend weeks on a video and then youtube doesn't even recommend it to anyone. It just sits with no views. Titles and thumbnails are everything so I had to at least try this out once LOL... Is it pure clickbait? No, was it borderlined... Maybe.
Just buy 500 watt longi panel .
Not really news. There should be some wiggle room.
Usually there isn't that much wiggle room on these 60v inputs, but at least it's there!
Hi you could call it a good lie, not particularly helpful. 👍🐝🌞
A good lie indeed!
@@Jasonoid but thank you for letting us know, 👍🐝🌞
They didn't lie. They they just didn't want to over state what the D050S would do. Also maybe they would only guarantee for 60 V use.
Lying would be just the opposite saying 70 V input but only 60 could be used. I am surprised you even said the lied.
Be happy you can push the device higher. Bad thumb nail. Don't fall into the trap of goofy or misleading thumb nails.
It got you to watch the video right? And now you know something new about it... How to get the full power 😁
@@JasonoidI I recently bought a AC180 and an AC200Max. At the time of your video I had a B230 being delivered with a D050S.
Thus I thought maybe the enhancer was junk by your title. Guess not.
That being said, Your misleading thumbnail and snide remark about getting me to watch is not the way I had come to expect from you. Too many Up-loaders on TH-cam are goobers. Don't be one of them.
Title could have been "The D050S delivers better than expected"
@@LarryDickman1 I've been working on a new title and thumbnail for the video. I'll probably get it changed here in the next week.
I didn't care for the angry face and the " TRUTH about the ...." and "what if I told you....". I have watched several of your videos. 1st time I have seen you use "click bait" tactics. Disappointed. 😕
Sometimes ya just gotta try new things with videos. This was an experiment to see what would happen. If you learned something new in the video and now understand how the product truly works, I feel I accomplished my goal.
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Thanks for the feedback
I already have two 100 watt solar panels. But I never get even close to those léveles that you’re getting with this 3 and the enhancer. What would you do if you were me ? I’d love to Hebe that level of input but space in my vans roof is getting tight. What would you do ? Remove the 2 / 100 watt panels ? And start from scratch with this same set up ? Or add one or two of those to the two I already have ? And the enhancer ?
How are your panels wired? If they were wired in series you'd see around 180w to 200w charging.
Does this allow us to use lower voltage panels from other vendors like jackery and rockpals? I think I remember seeing that there was a minimum voltage requirement.
There's no voltage minimum. Youre good as long as you never go over 75 volts 👍 but remember, you'll see more wattage the closer you get to the peak voltage since the amperage limit is so low.
12v minimum, guess 75v maximum now...
@@Jasonoid thanks for the quick response. I have 2 bluetti 200w panels for my ac200max but also have a few off brand that I wasn’t sure I could use with it or not in a pinch with the charging enhancer. p.s. thanks for the great videos
its strange that they not wrote 75 V instead of 60V, this would allow them sell these charging bricks more easily 😁
Right!? I agree
Jason, is there any difference, if you plug in the enhancer into ac200max, B230 or B300 ? In case, if ac200max is connected with b230 (b300) at the moment of charging. Thanks
Nope, it functions the same on all three