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I feel like this video omitted a lot of points about this industry. Is true that lab grown meat is way more expensive than animal meat, but you're assuming that investing on research in a waste of money because it hasn't make any profit yet. Research in technology and science does not always have to make profit, if that was the case, then organizations like NASA and CERN would be a total failure according to you. Obviously, the investors does not expect to have a large profit in less than a year. This is to make those necessary technological breakthroughs possible in the upcoming years. With these breakthroughs, the resources are going to be reduced and by consequence the prices as well. Even, if the price will never reach the same price as normal meat, a lot of people will be more than willing to pay way more money if that means that no animal is harmed in the process. Also, there new methods being researched than can replicate the immune system from animals in lab grown meat.
@@martiddy I think my issue is that lab grown and other fake meats are already being sold as a success while the meat industry is being slandered with inaccurate numbers regarding it's environmental impact verses the environmental impact of lab grown meat. Like great, research the cure for cancer, it's a worthy pursuit but don't lie by saying you've already cured cancer and don't slander the current treatment options just to make your inferior solution look better. That's what I got from the video, it's not slamming research, it's slamming the pretense about the current results of that research. The "fake it til you make it" strategy.
It's so crazy how much money is put into "solutions" to problems which are created by big corporations and monopolies. And then the same corporations and monopolies put the blame on the consumer and not on their own business practices...
I would like to point out that rest of the cow is not just thrown away after getting the meat from it. Almost entirety of the cow is used including bones and even manure. Artificial meat would force lot of other industries to adapt meaning cost of the steak would be just small part of big issue
Also dairy cow eat mostly byproduct (waste)like the straw left after collecting corn or grain, whey left after producing cheese and bunch of thing we would need to get rid of
Considering they still haven't been able to replicate formula with the same health benefits as breast milk, I can't imagine that lab-grown meat would be as healthy as natural meat.
Fellow brewer(love my lemon wine) getting your yeast to be the dominant life form in your brew can be a nightmare or can go without a hitch batch after batch, Yeast you can always over pitch or bloom and build up, but the sanitation between and in between is key foundation to repeatable success.
love that the veggie are the only unaltered ingredients there but yeah i'd eat that, i got nothing agaisnt bug patties and american "cheese" is already 80% synthetic so
There’s a documentary on YT that interviews former Slaughterhouse workers. They’re all traumatized and depressed from having to to what they did. It’s soooo easy for us to just walk into a supermarket and purchase a piece of steak without having to deal with all the Insane Nastyness that is the Meat Industry. I don’t know if this Lab Grown Meat thing is going to be the solution but something has to change. Also people say it’s nasty as if they weren’t chugging down hot dogs, burgers, chicken nuggets and all sorts of processed disgusting crap down their mouths.
For lab grown meat to work, each bioreactor needs an autonomous mechanical liver, an autonomous mechanical pair of kidneys, an improved oxygen delivery system, an autonomous waste disposal system, and an artificial immune system. At that point you might as well just use what nature gave us and have a cow.
honestly, breeding cows that have like no higher cognitive capabilities would be easier, cheaper and more environmentally friendly while also being more humane than current system
I think the point is you can hook several meat units to a single support system to increase efficiency. That would be like several cows sharing 1 set of organs. Also cows die when you harvest their meat. The point is to be able to harvest meat and regrow without killing the system.
As ingenious as that sounds, that gave me one hell of a mental image. Just a bunch of blocks of meat growing in containers, plugged into a life support machine and being carved out and harvested like doner kebab.@@hellosammy4105
Considering that people can tell the differences in taste between two similar animals that were fed on completely different diets during their lifetimes, I don't think anybody will be fooled by anyone trying to sneak 'cell-slurry' into their gourmet experience.
The idiocy is that theres literally no market. Vegetarians don't miss burgers. They're just technofascists who think everyone is and should be the same and are so far right wing they don't understand the concept that people are different. I don't drink. I don't like beef at all. I don't like bacon at all. I actually pick it out. When the pork industry puts our seo like the meme "it's like the first time you ever had bacon" and you're supposed to form some sort of memory that's positive. Bacon is disgusting. It's all waste product and no one would eat pork. It was just used to get rid it farm crap kinda like Britain fed dead cows to other cows. The proof that pork is disgusting is the fact that no one just eats steamed pork. It has to be candied salted or anything to override the stench. It's historically a crap meat like eating bugs or crawfish ie. Sea roaches. It's full of parasites. And pigs are really smart. In Hawaii it'd be a ceremonial food that'd be hard to hunt and they were hunting boar not pigs. People also hunt moose. Hart, pheasant etc. But those can't be done with the amount of cruelty. In the butchers that the were shut down by peta you'd inspect the chicken and that would ensure they were well treated. They got rid of all the butchers that would display their animals now they're going after "wet markets" while ignoring how baby rats and mice are fed to snakes and they are always mixed and sick and the cause of animal to human transmission of disease not wet markets which have been a thing forever and is the only way to tell whether fish or fowl are treated well and healthily. If a McDonald's chichen was shown at a wet market everyone would be disgusted. That's the point.
My guess is through subsidies it would end up in kids lunches & fast foods. Maybe even used as filler with pink slime in real meat. The subsidies would be key since it wouldn't make economic sense.
This channel is the epitome of "I'm getting paid by the meat farmers to say sh*t about anything that threatens them." stop taking anything he says at face value.
my family owns a brewery and the reason why its easier to brew beer than grow cells is because yeast does the work to eliminate competition during its ethanol fermentation, coverting the sugar to ethanol which eliminates other bacteria and fungi. cells dont have that and are quite defenseless.
There are so many liars in the world, I work for an internet company, and every day I'm disgusted that they claim to be "more reliable" yet every day I'm told not to fix things...because it's expensive Compared to the budget put towards providing high speed internet (24Mbps+) to Americans in rural areas, this is cheap.
But experts said that nuclear energy was impossible. But experts said that personal computers were unfeasible. Experts think things are not doable until they are done
@@pikapi6993 My point is that sometimes there are breakthroughs in the field (or in other fields) that enable things considering impossible/unfeasible by experts! Physicist 200 years ago were sure that no machine heavier than air would fly...guess what?
This is how you know the devil is in the details. How was a company able to acquire $1 billion then lose said money. And still able to continue trying to make a product. They could of giving that all (maybe even half of it) to regenerative agriculture farmers and seen a better profit.
@@daniell-naturaesplosiva1076 They can't grow more prey, we can. The reason we can sustain many billions of people is modern agriculture and farming practices. If we were nomadic hunters still, we'd be extinct. Growing to 7+ billion apex predators seems to spit in the face of the idea of "well we just can't eat meat."
The best way I could see lab-grown meat being viable, is simply growing the whole animal in the lab via methods like primitive cloning. But then, that's just a really complicated and likely really expensive way to do what we're already doing!
@Azuria969 Artificial wombs exist, we can grow animals (and people!) in labs now. Since about 2017, actually. Yes it still requires what is essentially biological reproduction, but cloning is what they called it, and so cloning it is.
Your video is full of errors and you make a lot of claims without citations. Please read the cultivated meat LCA report. David Humbergs "analysis" is an opinion piece and is based on false assumptions on the current practice of lab grown meat. You have a lot of reach and therefore you should back up your claims instead of spreading misinformation to 400k people.
I always thought the concept of lab-grown meat was un-doable, because everything get from labs right now, costs hundreds or thousands of dollars an ounce. I'm talking about medicine, and it's usually prohibitively expensive to buy it by the milligram, how much is it going to cost to produce meat by the ton?
You know the human genome project in the 90s? Well it now costs next to nothing to send off your DNA to companies like 23&me compared to the original price. and it now only takes 2 weeks vrs a decade.
@@trublgrl i didnt say it was^ I gave a famous bio-tech example about economies of scale Another; when patents run out, generic forms of medicine are ridiculously cheaper. It is the PATENTS which keep lab prices* high, esp in usa where additionally healthcare is privatised and big pharma pulls the strings at every level *lab products and medicine prices high
Maybe the mistake is that we are trying to make chicken or beef from cells, when what we should be doing is to make something rich in proteins and with great flavor by a stand alone micro organism.
now try looking into vertical farming, electric vehicles mass adoption, hyperloop, spinlaunch, cryptocurrencies etc. they all have massive walls that cannot be solved
@@jonathanbowen3640 yes it does when it comes to mass adoption. Current production rates do not support mass adoption and will have to increase tenfold EVERY year which is impossible. This realistically means at some point the price of components will become so expensive that EVs will become a luxury vehicle only. Also key components of EV requires Russia to remain in the supply chain which is obviously not going to happen.
@@jhpjhun there are many types of batteries that will be coming on stream that will not have these well known problems that you mention. Fyi I design electric vehicles including one of the world's fastest, I work with battery manufacturers etc. Also part of my job is to analyse future development. Mass adoption will happen. It's just a matter of time. Likely in our lifetimes. Energy storage is an area that has massive (and increasing) amounts of human resources dedicated to it's development. It may take three to four or so more decades to get to mass adoption (world wide) but it's inevitable.
We mandate that drugs (even ones that are one or two atoms different than an already approved drug) go through rigorous clinical trials before we even consider approval for human consumption, yet we can't crunch the numbers before investing billions in a technology that has no prescedent?
I think that the greater issue is that we're focusing on replacing cows instead of looking at actually environmentally impacting sectors. Instead of replacing all cows with artificially grown meat we could easily alternate to more energy efficient renewable sources. Windfarms, solar panels, geo thermal powered stations, hydro dams and other hydro related engines. Even nuclear assuming that it's not near high geologically active zones. Penalizing companies for their Co2 emissions, reducing the cost of electric cars whilst increasing the cost of diesel and petrol cars so that they can be powered by the renewable sources. These are the actions we should be taking but instead governments, oil lobbyists and politicians are looking for an alternative wonder drug to solve their problems. Changing from traditional beef sources and replacing them with lab grown alternatives, even assuming it did reduce emissions, wouldnt stop companies from continuing to create pollution. In fact, I'd wager their pollution production would ramp up because they now have more wiggle room to work with, invalidating the efforts to curb emissions. It's kind of like the difference between having $100 and thinking that you have that money spare, vs having that money to spend. Companies will look at the new emission freedom as extra space to use, rather than operating in their current restrictions.
When I was young I watched an anime about a meat lab. The "souls" of the lab generated meat where causing problems to the surrounding area. I wish I could remember the details of the story and the name, but I always think of it when I hear about lab meat.
Pretty freaky. I get sick thinking of Henrietta Lacks, or aborted fetal cells used in medicine, bovine serum, etc. It is the stuff of dystopian nightmares.
I feel like traditional farming in on itself is so efficient and productive because we had perfected it for hundreds, or even thousands of years. Throwing money at alternative projects would only work to a certain extent, until you hit the immovable obstacle of waiting for time to allow human imagination to create more innovation.
Uhhh you might want to do more research on “traditional farming”….famine was common even until the last 100 years. What makes it efficient and productive are artificial fertilizers, deep well technology, pesticides, and mechanical engineering/computer engineering of farm machinery. Literally all inventions within the last 100 years
Interesting how the people from lab meat industry touts that producing lab meat will be like brewing beer, decentralized democratic production of goods, but in reality, it will be even more centralized and monoplized than the current cattle/poultry industry. If we are to have machines to grow meat, liquid nutrients from a field of plants to grow the meat, why not just have cows in out backyard and having hay shipped to us?
pigs, poultry and certain farmed fish are more more efficient protein sources than cows, cows are the least efficient and most environmentally destructive of the common livestock species
@@boo4273 doesn’t change the fact that cows need considerably more water, food and space to produce the same amount of meat compared to pigs and chickens. The slight differences in nutritional density don‘t make up for the differences in efficiency. Yes it’s true that cows can be grass fed with a hands-off approach and cattle ranching can be done sustainably, but those methods require way more land and aren’t productive enough to meet the demand compared to more intensive methods. Most beef produced in the US is fed mostly corn, and corn-fed beef is an extremely inefficient way to make meat.
This reminds me of the age-old idea of the Homunculus. Trying to grow humans inside a lab. Art(ifial) is the imitation of nature. But only Nature overcomes nature. Great research and presentation, your videos are always entertaining :)
@@denofpigs2575 Well, nature had millions of years to perfectionate the way animals fly, while we had just a century since the first planes were created. I wouldn't be surprised if with the current technological progress, we're able to create planes or drones that are more energy efficient than birds in the next decades.
Theoretically, it should be completely possible to make lab meat more efficiently than raising animals. Animals expend a lot of energy by moving around and thinking, this is energy that could theoretically be saved by a well optimized lab-meat production setup. But, kind of like fusion, just because we know it's theoretically possible, doesn't mean we know how to do it.
A similar argument could be used to note that algae turn sunlight into fats and carbohydrates more efficiently than land plants do, since algae do not have to waste energy on growing cellulose to stand up against gravity. Yet, most people who have consumed algae would agree it's not primed to take over the vegetable market any time soon.
They all called the traditional way of raising livestock unsustainable. Somehow it has sustained for over 20k years. It looks pretty sustainable for me;)
I think lab meat works perfectly. Cows should be held by tons of farmers, which decentralizes all the power and control over the food chain. Lab meat can only be produced by multi-billion dollar corporations that can then control the whole food chain. Works according to plan.
The amount of plastic pollution that would increase from sterile rooms to do this at scale...another huge pollution issue that would just dwarf any greenhouse savings.
I remember findingnyour channel 4-5 years sgo snd watching the video on eating once a day. While i wasnt dismissive of it i wasnt exactly receptive either. Since then I've gone through a lot more literature and podcasts and sm much more receptive to the idea and occasionally do cycles of it. With that daid, its great to see your channel come up on the algorithm suggestions. Totally subscribed.
Thanks for taking the effort of making this stuff somewhat digestible to laymen 👍👍 Yes, you saw what I did there, yes it was intentional, you're welcome 😉
Studies estimate that hamburger meat would cost upwards of $30 a pound without government subsidies, which is a higher price than the $22 estimate of lab grown meat shown in this video. I don't see any reason to believe that a combination of technological improvements and government subsidies couldn't get lab grown meat below what traditional meat costs today. Future Meats has already gotten a pound of their lab grown chicken down to $7.70, down from around $18 only six months ago.
Yeah, it's definitely expensive.. Now. Any major new technology is prohibitively expensive from the onset. But things need to be pushed during these more expensive times to get to the point where it's so mass-produced and mass-regulated that it can be cost-effective.
I agree, it may take a few decades but its going to happen. The actually motivation behind it is immense. No harm in it being a premium product that some people are willing to pay for until then.
There's no guarantee that anything will ever reach this point though. If we're looking purely at statistics, it's entirely unlikely that it will. There are unfathomably more failures than success stories in technology. Money isn't magic and throwing it at things doesn't make them happen. The things need to actually be viable.
@@elibeeblebrox1084 Midwits will deny this reality. Most of everything is a failure. It's like saying "WELL ONE DAY IT WON'T BE SO EXPENSIVE TO MAKE GOLD FROM ANYTHING!!!!" Yeah, you can create gold, but it has been way more expensive than just mining gold will ever be.
You mean to tell me that a "renewable and ecofriendly" technology turned out to be not only not economical and, worse yet, might even be more harmful to the environment than what it would replace? ...Be still my beating heart. I am shocked. Completely shocked.
@Mechalock how about, how one sided he's been. This wasn't a debate at all. He only presented arguments against using facts like investors and scam companies. As if those mattered
@@gravel7614 why is it one-sided? Can you show us the sides that were not mentioned and that are stronger than his arguments? All i see here is "but the future" and "but people said cars will never subtitute horses". As if cars didn't cause climate change and pollution and as if they were comparable to lab meat in any shape or form 🤣
@@pikapi6993 I'm not going to do a full breakdown of lab grown meat or even advocate for it. I'm criticising the video for its cherry picked data and lack of both sides. It's one sided. Also those people are being vague but the argument is that lab grown meat shouldn't be completely discounted just because it has some issues right now
It’s expensive because it hasn’t been scaled yet because they’re still learning now to. Eg. Can blood be provided by lab grown reactors? No, it’s crazy expensive AT THE MOMENT, but they’ve figured out how to do it and are in the process of upscaling the process and the price is dropping rapidly so we’ll be able to finally have enough blood. We currently invest way, way, way too many resources into meat production, it’s not sustainable, it’s just not.. The way we make meat now is Not normal or traditional..
I will keep killing animals as has been done for hundreds of millenia. The staple foods in our diets that has allowed us to progress and evolve to the point we have. I have no ethical qualms about eating meat.
My dad used to buy veggie burgers when I was young in the 2000s. Only recently I tried an impossible whopper from BK and the meat tasted extremely similar. Made me wonder what all the hype was about if the flavor is still so far away from actual meat.
As a microbiologist, I cannot begin to express how much I appreciate the extent of how you stressed what an obstacle it would be to keep such a large environment sterile 24/7. Cell-based meat will never, ever be the same kind of thing as some guy taking up a side-hobby of brewing up Schrader Brau in his garage. Brewing not only allows for the growth of microbial life, but its success is based upon creating an evironment for their specific strains of fermentative yeast to thrive. Meanwhile the environment for cell-based meat is just a million-dollar bacterial culture waiting to happen. Mass media only seems to remember the existence of microbial life when the 1%ers decide it's time to crush what remains of that pesky middle class, I guess.
I would not say never, but it's clearly a long ways off, if it ever happens. It doesn't seem like the average person likes this sort of thing enough for it to be.
@@JukaDominator true, people who are calling this a scam have no clue what they are taking about. We make vehicles powered by explosions, tell that to someone 200 years ago and they also will say it sounds like a scam. We need to put money into the industry inorder for it to come to fruition
I mean, large scale mammalian cell culture *is* a thing in the pharmaceutical industry, and it avoids contamination the same way the cultivated meat industry does - doing sterilising filtration on media components and sterilising all equipment before use.
I work in pharma and I specialize in microbiological control. They neglect to mention that these bioreactors aren’t the real cost here. Cells need to be grown in highly controlled environments. These facilities will need expensive hvac and air filtration setups, disposable protective gowning for each employee, and rigorous quality control testing. These are all recurring costs that would balloon the final product cost. Of course the standard for food aren’t as high as for drugs, but when working with unproctected cells, it only takes one microbe to spoil tens of thousands of dollars of product
These facilities would probably be similar to the ones you use, how much can it cost to make "1 Kilo" of Aspirine? Excluding brevet costs, just the material manufacturing cost.
@@massi9039 as far as I’m aware, aspirin can be chemically synthesized under minimal contamination control. Harvesting biomolecules from bioreactors (essentially milking GMO bacteria for your compound) is much more difficult due to the need to re-seed organisms, exchange media, prevent cross-contamination, etc. My product is very intricate and expensive. A more apt analogy would be bioreactor insulin, since it’s had many decades of RND, and is in high enough demand to be massively scaled. Based on some googling and a bit of math, insulin would be between 300-400$ per L at cost, which would be about the same amount per kilo. Applying that to meat, your 12 oz steak would be 100-130$ at cost if it were perfectly scaled to market. This also neglects the inherent differences in manufacturing a solid cell product on a scaffold which would be significantly more expensive, even after rnd.
This makes me appreciate how much animal bodies work to keep bacteria from interrupting cell grow and function. It's easy to take for granted but as soon as those cells are separated from the many, many layers of immune system, it's very clear how much we rely on it
@@trevorloughlin1492 Because those immune systems require bone marrow to replenish itself, and that marrow needs to be housed in bones and those bones require specialized cells to build and maintain and those cells need a liver or a spleen or whatever organ, at some point you may as well just raise cows normally instead of wasting time re-inventing the cow.
To a degree yes but life/evolution basically only measures reproduction which leads to things which are detrimental to the individual (Like male peacocks dragging around dead weight which might get them killed and they also use resources on growing it) but because it increases their chance at reproducing it is optimal from an evolutionary point of view. I am not sure I would view it as optimal in general but that's just my opinion.
@@JoViljarHaugstulen million of cells die in your body everyday. Your only still here because reproduction is life. Does it matter to peacocks as a whole if an individual dies after being more successful at reproduction that other individuals that may live longer.
@@JoViljarHaugstulen like it or not, the only purpose of a Cow is to make more cows that make more cows, a chicken to make more chickens that make more chickens, a human yo make more humans that make more humans. That is how and why those physical being exist. You can argue the meaning of life beyond that, but without it there is no life to have any other meaning
When I was growing stuff in a lab way back when, we grew it in Bovine growth serum (BGS) which is basically cow juice. This still requires cows to be "juiced".
The Thoughtemporium (use Google to fix that spelling hah) mentioned some folks in ?Japan? wrote a paper on how to use ?Gatorade? And something else. I can't remember but I recall he found it hilarious. Apparently once he has sufficient cells grown he wants to try it on some as it'd make it a lot cheaper.
I've worked with cells, and it is no joke that those things are monstrous PITA's, despite their small size. The broth itself is 1 issue. In the lab, you have to monitor growth conditions, extract spent growth media, rinse cells with STERILE fluid, apply new growth media, do cellular checkups for abnormalities, and then -- praying to the lab gods -- hope your cells turn out. That stuff counted for a large portion of my grade in the final exam of the class. Still remember one of my dishes of cells being little SoBs. They gave me a not so subtle..., ahem, "go eff yourself" when they turned cancerous and said cancer cells looked like a phallic symbol. Right now, as it stands, lab grown meat is not viable. It's just a proof of concept. We need massive discoveries in cellular growth technology to expedite the process, enhance it's potency, etc.... It will require years of research + massive funding to develop the tech proper. Again, what we have is just an expensive proof of concept. My hope is that on our way towards lab-grown meat, we can use our advancements to create newer methods for people that need special treatments. Cancers, birth deformities, burn patients, and more could benefit from the tech. It would be wonderful if we could take a(n) technique/idea in that division, applying it towards burn ward patients. Imagine the potential at a well-stocked, well funded hospital. We could have a broth/stock mixture in a vial, use a patients undamaged tissue cells, combine the two, and use 3D printing technology on organic polymer sheets aid in recovery, said layer impregnated with a diverse cocktail of necessary nutrients to speed up recovery. Anyways, I do agree we're too optimistic, but we shouldn't stop trying.
Or, maybe we can make a genetically engineered lizard with a meaty and fat tail or a engineered axocotyl the size of a croc. Chop the tail and let it grow.
I loved my microbiology class in college 10 years ago, and my professor waxed on and on about how perfectly ideal the environment for the Petri dishes had to be when getting his PhD. I don’t blame him, since we didn’t have to attempt to harvest aerobic bacteria cultures suffocating in their own CO2 and ammonia.
I’m curious whether exploration towards mimicking the natural process of incubation (I.e. artificial wombs) might be useful in providing an alternative framework to these tanks culturing methods I recall there was an artificial womb breakthrough 5-ish years ago, but I’m unsure of what the efficacy rate is
Listening to all the sanitation regulations regarding lab meat, it’s also the same fallacy regarding bug meat: you can’t just throw a bunch of random roaches in a blender, the meat being cultivated needs to be properly regulated and sanitized so that come to production, you’re not at risk of getting any food poisoning or worse.
I remember hearing about study about those bugs. Most of the farms around were infected by something, be it parasites or something else. And really what would you expect in those conditions. And bugs also have basic immune system and defences... Where as lab meat has none.
I love eating crickets as snacks. People have been catching, frying and eating crickets for hundreds of years. They are wild, organic not domesticated animals, caught in traditional rice plants, not in industrial plants. This insect lab sounds like what they do to Casava. A "poison" carb that had fed millions around the world when cooked the traditional way, and became actual poison when the "scientific" healthy ways to safely eat them aren't robust enough.
I was fantasizing about making lab meat as a teenager in the 1960s. I was a big fan of science fiction and space exploration and I was planning to become a biologist. I was also interested in economics. Lab grown meat seemed like a normal extrapolation of technology; it did occur to me that steaks are more than a collection of cells but I didn’t think too hard about that.
Honestly the whole lab meat question is quite simple. It's a science that needs more development. It's not ready to be applied. It doesn't matter how badly some greedy people want to make money of it, it needs more time and work before it can actually function at all.
History has taught us that I f it doesn’t work now it’s 100% impossible and will never ever work. All the great scientists of history always give up if something doesn’t work first time.
@@jakedespppp I wholeheartedly agree with the original comment. The video was short-sighted imo, and I regretted watching it. Sarcasm was not the best way to express this.
@@johnholowach True, but if the funding was transferred from lab grown meat to lab organs, that would speed up the technological advancement of lab organs significantly.
@@nic12344 why would we want a viable equivalent solution? Spend money and things stay the same? These things are funded on the principle the benefits will outweigh the current practice.
The thing is we ARE in danger. But this won't help.
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11:35 - That's something that bugs me about lab grown meat. In real meat, the nutrients in it depends on how the animal was raised (what it ate, did it get enough sun, etc). How are they going to replicate that? Are they just adding supplements to the meat? I'm tired of hearing "but animal take supplements too" instead of an actual answer.
@@GearlessJoe0 in that timestamp he just says it goes in a vat with a all the nutrients the cell needs. What are those nutrients? For example, does it have vitamin A or it have some carotenoids that gets converted to vitamin A?
Talking about genetically modified foods, I have gripe about 2 of them.1 is apples that are flavorless granny Smith tart apples from Walmart as well as many other if their fruit and vegetables are bland and flavorless. 2 is the way they are procesing Maxwell house and folders and other brands. I have been drinking coffee daily for over 59 years. It's not the same. I'm not sure how they are doing it but it tastes like they steam and extract the flavor from the beans (there is a need for coffee flavoring and caffeine they can profit off) and it also tastes so bitter as if the are grinding the the coffee bean leaves and stems to make the weight heavier to get a bigger profit.
Singapore is probably not doing it for environmental concerns, but rather, for the simple fact that there is basically no land in Singapore that can support traditional farming of meat products. So it is a matter of national security, albeit not a super serious one, given its widespread trading partners.
A lot of things that are advertised as "sustainable" are actually a fluke. My advice: learn about LCAs (Life Cycle Assessments), how they work and see for yourself. Great video btw
@@truedemoknight6784 unless you can till your own land and take care of your own livestock, you have to rely on farmers, who aren't even turning profit due to how much bureaucracy they have to deal with.
Just imagine that there was a compact laboratory for the production of meat, with protection from bacteria and viruses, mobility and low cost... Wait a minute.
And imagine if these labs could take the waste material from farming that humans can't eat and turn it into fertilizer to boot! Almost like nature has it all figured out or something.
It would be nice if we could stack them thousands of floors high, in the dark, and not worry about land use or greenhouse gas emissions though. Current models suffer a lot of troubles with being packed in tightly. Or in other words, it's not viable now, but it's definitely got benefits to being further developed. Never say never, just say 'not today, but someday maybe.' Unlike flying cars, there are potential up-sides to vertical farming and improving livestock; and those improvements might not even be what we think. It could be as simple as genetically engineering animals to make less methane. There's hundreds of ways it could go, and it's hard to predict what path it will take.
I'm not a vegetarian. But when you actually think about the consuming of the carcasses of others, it's actually quite gross itself & I can see why someone would make the decision not to eat it. Of course, a general scientific understanding of decomposition, bacteria, parasites, our digestive systems, etc, really helps to put it all into perspective. But I know that science, unfortunately, isn't the most popular of subjects.
Summary: In this video, we will be discussing the challenges and promises of lab-grown meat. Firstly, we will explore the issue of lab-grown chicken being expensive and unsustainable, and how this raises questions about the sustainability of lab meat as a whole. We will then delve into a cost analysis of lab meat, examining the challenges of producing it in bioreactors. We will discuss the various challenges that lab meat faces, as well as the promises that it holds for the future of sustainable food production. We will also take a closer look at Zymergen's optimistic vision for lab meat, and the challenges that they face in scaling up production. Finally, we will examine the investment risks associated with lab meat, as well as the gamble that is being Key Takeaways: - The video discusses the challenges and promises of lab-grown meat - It explores the issue of lab-grown chicken being expensive and unsustainable, and how this raises questions about the sustainability of lab meat as a whole - The video also examines the challenges of producing lab meat in bioreactors and discusses the various challenges that lab meat faces, as well as the promises that it holds for the future of sustainable food production - It takes a closer look at Zymergen's optimistic vision for lab meat and the challenges they face in scaling up production - Finally, the video examines the investment risks associated with lab meat and the gamble that is being taken. Timestamps: 0:00:00 - Lab-grown chicken expensive and unsustainable. 0:02:34 - Lab meat's sustainability questioned. 0:05:14 - Lab meat cost analysis. 0:07:48 - Bioreactor challenges for lab meat. 0:10:25 - Lab meat challenges and promises. 0:12:58 - Zymergen's optimistic vision 0:15:36 - Challenges in lab meat. 0:18:09 - Lab meat scaling challenges. 0:20:49 - Investment risks in lab meat. 0:23:20 - Lab meat cost gamble.
It is ironic that people are so suspicious about people tinkering with their fruits and vegetables (this they choose organic), but when it comes to meat, it can be grown in a lab and that is fine.
@@zacheryeckard3051 these two things shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence. Altering an organism to enhance the traits we want versus reverse-engineering an organism.
@@asbestoz1123 It's all just biomechanics and organic chemistry. There isn't really a difference. You're also just vaguely gesturing at hypocrisy anyway, though. Lab grown meat is superior to normal meat because there is no cruelty involved. It's an ethical concern. Folks going organic is generally a health concern fueled by ignorance, sadly.
@@zacheryeckard3051 The creation of meat is very different from genetic modification. Maybe watch the video. And ethics aren’t the only concern of the food you eat, if you decided to only eat lab grown meat you would need a 7 figure income.
whenever I get excited by new advancements in Science, Medicine and Technology; and then a bunch of rich and powerful soulless people and corporations start pushing said advancements like their life depends on it: I start to wonder whether they really want to improve our lives or just line their pockets and lead us into a dystopia
I wonder do 60+ ppl who liked your comment see the irony that they are the ones who are powerful and soulless since they are butchering the animals and treating them like things. Funny how those people don't see themselves as soulless.
@@VeridianBlues Do you consider carnivorous animals the same way when they kill and eat other animals? Why is killing all of those poor plants (also a living thing) okay, but not other food sources? How about insects? They are ALL living, breathing organisms so why does anybody else get to decide which life is more worthy than another in the food chain -- including our own food sources?
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I feel like this video omitted a lot of points about this industry. Is true that lab grown meat is way more expensive than animal meat, but you're assuming that investing on research in a waste of money because it hasn't make any profit yet. Research in technology and science does not always have to make profit, if that was the case, then organizations like NASA and CERN would be a total failure according to you. Obviously, the investors does not expect to have a large profit in less than a year. This is to make those necessary technological breakthroughs possible in the upcoming years. With these breakthroughs, the resources are going to be reduced and by consequence the prices as well. Even, if the price will never reach the same price as normal meat, a lot of people will be more than willing to pay way more money if that means that no animal is harmed in the process. Also, there new methods being researched than can replicate the immune system from animals in lab grown meat.
@@martiddy I think my issue is that lab grown and other fake meats are already being sold as a success while the meat industry is being slandered with inaccurate numbers regarding it's environmental impact verses the environmental impact of lab grown meat. Like great, research the cure for cancer, it's a worthy pursuit but don't lie by saying you've already cured cancer and don't slander the current treatment options just to make your inferior solution look better. That's what I got from the video, it's not slamming research, it's slamming the pretense about the current results of that research. The "fake it til you make it" strategy.
can you make a video or series of videos about hemp?
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It's so crazy how much money is put into "solutions" to problems which are created by big corporations and monopolies. And then the same corporations and monopolies put the blame on the consumer and not on their own business practices...
That's what happens when government funds them.
I would like to point out that rest of the cow is not just thrown away after getting the meat from it.
Almost entirety of the cow is used including bones and even manure.
Artificial meat would force lot of other industries to adapt meaning cost of the steak would be just small part of big issue
human manure and pet bones ;)
Wonder how many printers have bone black in the ink.
@@kimwarburton8490 you gonna create a national donation system or are we reconfiguring everything on a structural level to automate that? lol
people are commodities. create the skibidi toilet factory to harvest human poop
Also dairy cow eat mostly byproduct (waste)like the straw left after collecting corn or grain, whey left after producing cheese and bunch of thing we would need to get rid of
I think I just gained more appreciation for how complex but smoothly we are able to move 10 billion pounds of meat in America.
For me it is appreciation for our bodies and how they wotk
smoothly? please get yourself informed on the meat industry, before making such statements.
Just buy bulk from a local farmer, easier, healthier & grass fed. I’d never go back to supermarket meat
Homies really tried replicating gods design
Refrigerated truck driver here it is a massive amount of logistics
Considering they still haven't been able to replicate formula with the same health benefits as breast milk, I can't imagine that lab-grown meat would be as healthy as natural meat.
Meat doesn’t have special stuff to be healthy, it’s mostly just a fuckton of protein
As someone who brews his own mead, I can confirm. There are all these tiny lifeforms in there, fighting each other. You want yeast to win.
very scary
To the victor goes the spoils
So you'll understand his analogy of a dirty brewer is false^
@@kimwarburton8490 Yes, Lab-Meat requires that there are no lifeforms what-so-every. It doesn't pick a fight like yeast does
Fellow brewer(love my lemon wine) getting your yeast to be the dominant life form in your brew can be a nightmare or can go without a hitch batch after batch, Yeast you can always over pitch or bloom and build up, but the sanitation between and in between is key foundation to repeatable success.
Beans, bugs, and lab sludge. Two all bug patties, special sludge, lettuce, synthetic cheese, pickles, onions, on a gluten free bun.
you think you get to eat real lettuce, pickles and onions, peasant?
Yup, bugs are the way to go. Bugs are cheap af to farm and supposedly are exceptionally nutrient dense.
in that order...
I'ma roach burger man myself with tomato and extra sludge
love that the veggie are the only unaltered ingredients there
but yeah i'd eat that, i got nothing agaisnt bug patties and american "cheese" is already 80% synthetic so
There’s a documentary on YT that interviews former Slaughterhouse workers. They’re all traumatized and depressed from having to to what they did.
It’s soooo easy for us to just walk into a supermarket and purchase a piece of steak without having to deal with all the Insane Nastyness that is the Meat Industry.
I don’t know if this Lab Grown Meat thing is going to be the solution but something has to change.
Also people say it’s nasty as if they weren’t chugging down hot dogs, burgers, chicken nuggets and all sorts of processed disgusting crap down their mouths.
For lab grown meat to work, each bioreactor needs an autonomous mechanical liver, an autonomous mechanical pair of kidneys, an improved oxygen delivery system, an autonomous waste disposal system, and an artificial immune system. At that point you might as well just use what nature gave us and have a cow.
honestly, breeding cows that have like no higher cognitive capabilities would be easier, cheaper and more environmentally friendly while also being more humane than current system
I think the point is you can hook several meat units to a single support system to increase efficiency. That would be like several cows sharing 1 set of organs. Also cows die when you harvest their meat. The point is to be able to harvest meat and regrow without killing the system.
As ingenious as that sounds, that gave me one hell of a mental image. Just a bunch of blocks of meat growing in containers, plugged into a life support machine and being carved out and harvested like doner kebab.@@hellosammy4105
Considering that people can tell the differences in taste between two similar animals that were fed on completely different diets during their lifetimes, I don't think anybody will be fooled by anyone trying to sneak 'cell-slurry' into their gourmet experience.
Grass fed looks and tastes completely different than grain fed. "Better" is subjective
Oh sorry I thought you said people can't tell the difference
The idiocy is that theres literally no market. Vegetarians don't miss burgers. They're just technofascists who think everyone is and should be the same and are so far right wing they don't understand the concept that people are different. I don't drink. I don't like beef at all. I don't like bacon at all. I actually pick it out.
When the pork industry puts our seo like the meme "it's like the first time you ever had bacon" and you're supposed to form some sort of memory that's positive.
Bacon is disgusting. It's all waste product and no one would eat pork. It was just used to get rid it farm crap kinda like Britain fed dead cows to other cows.
The proof that pork is disgusting is the fact that no one just eats steamed pork. It has to be candied salted or anything to override the stench.
It's historically a crap meat like eating bugs or crawfish ie. Sea roaches. It's full of parasites. And pigs are really smart. In Hawaii it'd be a ceremonial food that'd be hard to hunt and they were hunting boar not pigs.
People also hunt moose. Hart, pheasant etc. But those can't be done with the amount of cruelty. In the butchers that the were shut down by peta you'd inspect the chicken and that would ensure they were well treated. They got rid of all the butchers that would display their animals now they're going after "wet markets" while ignoring how baby rats and mice are fed to snakes and they are always mixed and sick and the cause of animal to human transmission of disease not wet markets which have been a thing forever and is the only way to tell whether fish or fowl are treated well and healthily.
If a McDonald's chichen was shown at a wet market everyone would be disgusted. That's the point.
My guess is through subsidies it would end up in kids lunches & fast foods. Maybe even used as filler with pink slime in real meat. The subsidies would be key since it wouldn't make economic sense.
@@linkeddevices pork is amazing steamed or bbq or fried with minimal spice. what are you talking about?
People try to say that the oat thing is like real milk. Nothing like it.
What was the cost of the 1st computer?
Yeah I was really big on this tech until I read that 2021 article you mentioned. I sold all my stock (I didn't have much) in lab meat companies.
This channel is the epitome of "I'm getting paid by the meat farmers to say sh*t about anything that threatens them." stop taking anything he says at face value.
you shouldn't have done it. it's a scam but the govs will invest HEAVILY in it. in 5 years there will be hundreds of billions form govs.
Oof😊
rule of thumb. Eat whole foods, basically a naturally cow. eat less processed foods, so no slurry flesh.
my family owns a brewery and the reason why its easier to brew beer than grow cells is because yeast does the work to eliminate competition during its ethanol fermentation, coverting the sugar to ethanol which eliminates other bacteria and fungi. cells dont have that and are quite defenseless.
There are so many liars in the world, I work for an internet company, and every day I'm disgusted that they claim to be "more reliable" yet every day I'm told not to fix things...because it's expensive
Compared to the budget put towards providing high speed internet (24Mbps+) to Americans in rural areas, this is cheap.
When will humans learn that nature is more intelligent than human ?
Dr. Fred Kummeorw who lived to age 102 knew this over 5 decades ago but no one believed him.
The 1% know, they just want control and power over the 99%.
when the sun engulfs the solar system
But experts said that nuclear energy was impossible. But experts said that personal computers were unfeasible. Experts think things are not doable until they are done
not comparable at all and not helpful to understand this specific case. Do you have an argument for this specific case?
@@pikapi6993 My point is that sometimes there are breakthroughs in the field (or in other fields) that enable things considering impossible/unfeasible by experts! Physicist 200 years ago were sure that no machine heavier than air would fly...guess what?
This is how you know the devil is in the details. How was a company able to acquire $1 billion then lose said money. And still able to continue trying to make a product. They could of giving that all (maybe even half of it) to regenerative agriculture farmers and seen a better profit.
Politics is the only way money ends up in the hands who squander it.
@10:45 what ungodly AI did you use for that effect? Also , your next video should be about insect protein!
@13:04 also!
probably stable diffusion with some extension like deforum
@@hobbycollector Yeah the question is whyy though. At least the 8 finger one made sense.
Yes. On both.
Im shocked no one is talking about this
I got to figure out how to get some of that silicon valley money. Seems to be a lot of it but no brain cells involved
"Meat is unsustainable" ????????????????
If meat was unsustainable, there would be no living carnivores on Earth, including us.
But meat IS unsustainable, at least in the sense of industrial production for human consumption.
In fact, the big carnivors meet extintion when they are too many or eat too much
Meat isnt an infinite source
@@daniell-naturaesplosiva1076 They can't grow more prey, we can. The reason we can sustain many billions of people is modern agriculture and farming practices. If we were nomadic hunters still, we'd be extinct. Growing to 7+ billion apex predators seems to spit in the face of the idea of "well we just can't eat meat."
lab meat can end animal suffering so a big go for lab meat
Don’t tell that to the prey of lions and tigers and bears !!
@@sking2173 What is your point?
The best way I could see lab-grown meat being viable, is simply growing the whole animal in the lab via methods like primitive cloning. But then, that's just a really complicated and likely really expensive way to do what we're already doing!
dude cloning doesnt actually exist yet I know about the goat but that wasnt actually cloning but insemination
@Azuria969 Artificial wombs exist, we can grow animals (and people!) in labs now. Since about 2017, actually. Yes it still requires what is essentially biological reproduction, but cloning is what they called it, and so cloning it is.
@@leechesg HAH so there is no cloning exist, only a copy of a womb which still requires fertilization so a male and a female
@@Azuria969 It's still called cloning.
What's up with the LSD trip moments in the video?
Your video is full of errors and you make a lot of claims without citations. Please read the cultivated meat LCA report. David Humbergs "analysis" is an opinion piece and is based on false assumptions on the current practice of lab grown meat. You have a lot of reach and therefore you should back up your claims instead of spreading misinformation to 400k people.
Yes
humans been eating cows for 1000s of years. The idea we can just stop doing it and eat this Frankenstein sh*t instead is obscene.
103 years*
@@aguy481 What you on about 103 years?
Humans had slaves for ...
I always thought the concept of lab-grown meat was un-doable, because everything get from labs right now, costs hundreds or thousands of dollars an ounce. I'm talking about medicine, and it's usually prohibitively expensive to buy it by the milligram, how much is it going to cost to produce meat by the ton?
You know the human genome project in the 90s? Well it now costs next to nothing to send off your DNA to companies like 23&me compared to the original price. and it now only takes 2 weeks vrs a decade.
@@kimwarburton8490 Lab testing is not manufacturing.
@@trublgrl i didnt say it was^
I gave a famous bio-tech example about economies of scale
Another; when patents run out, generic forms of medicine are ridiculously cheaper.
It is the PATENTS which keep lab prices* high, esp in usa where additionally healthcare is privatised and big pharma pulls the strings at every level
*lab products and medicine prices high
Maybe the mistake is that we are trying to make chicken or beef from cells, when what we should be doing is to make something rich in proteins and with great flavor by a stand alone micro organism.
This video was very eye opening; all this time I assumed lab grown meat was actually sustainable :/
now try looking into vertical farming, electric vehicles mass adoption, hyperloop, spinlaunch, cryptocurrencies etc. they all have massive walls that cannot be solved
Green is not green.
@@jhpjhun electric vehicles don't have walls that cannot be eliminated.
@@jonathanbowen3640 yes it does when it comes to mass adoption. Current production rates do not support mass adoption and will have to increase tenfold EVERY year which is impossible. This realistically means at some point the price of components will become so expensive that EVs will become a luxury vehicle only. Also key components of EV requires Russia to remain in the supply chain which is obviously not going to happen.
@@jhpjhun there are many types of batteries that will be coming on stream that will not have these well known problems that you mention. Fyi I design electric vehicles including one of the world's fastest, I work with battery manufacturers etc. Also part of my job is to analyse future development. Mass adoption will happen. It's just a matter of time. Likely in our lifetimes. Energy storage is an area that has massive (and increasing) amounts of human resources dedicated to it's development. It may take three to four or so more decades to get to mass adoption (world wide) but it's inevitable.
We should still search for a way to end animal factory farming. It’s simply cruel and a horrible thing to do to billions of animals each year.
We mandate that drugs (even ones that are one or two atoms different than an already approved drug) go through rigorous clinical trials before we even consider approval for human consumption, yet we can't crunch the numbers before investing billions in a technology that has no prescedent?
I think that the greater issue is that we're focusing on replacing cows instead of looking at actually environmentally impacting sectors.
Instead of replacing all cows with artificially grown meat we could easily alternate to more energy efficient renewable sources.
Windfarms, solar panels, geo thermal powered stations, hydro dams and other hydro related engines. Even nuclear assuming that it's not near high geologically active zones.
Penalizing companies for their Co2 emissions, reducing the cost of electric cars whilst increasing the cost of diesel and petrol cars so that they can be powered by the renewable sources.
These are the actions we should be taking but instead governments, oil lobbyists and politicians are looking for an alternative wonder drug to solve their problems.
Changing from traditional beef sources and replacing them with lab grown alternatives, even assuming it did reduce emissions, wouldnt stop companies from continuing to create pollution.
In fact, I'd wager their pollution production would ramp up because they now have more wiggle room to work with, invalidating the efforts to curb emissions.
It's kind of like the difference between having $100 and thinking that you have that money spare, vs having that money to spend.
Companies will look at the new emission freedom as extra space to use, rather than operating in their current restrictions.
I would not eat lab meat if it were free.
DOUBLE SPEAK! It's not a scam, it's a semi-fradulant scheme producing subpar and unrealistic expecations being sold to consumers. Done! 😊
1:45 under estimating how much water and power is used on a daily basis, cows are not immune either
When I was young I watched an anime about a meat lab. The "souls" of the lab generated meat where causing problems to the surrounding area. I wish I could remember the details of the story and the name, but I always think of it when I hear about lab meat.
Pretty freaky. I get sick thinking of Henrietta Lacks, or aborted fetal cells used in medicine, bovine serum, etc. It is the stuff of dystopian nightmares.
Don’t worry: animal souls cease to exist when they die, it’s the human soul that is immortal.
@@Ayverie4 That sounds almost like eating eggs :-)
@@SammytheStampede We are animals too, I hope you're aware and you don't live under a rock.
@@SammytheStampede animals will testify on judgement day according to the bible
I feel like traditional farming in on itself is so efficient and productive because we had perfected it for hundreds, or even thousands of years. Throwing money at alternative projects would only work to a certain extent, until you hit the immovable obstacle of waiting for time to allow human imagination to create more innovation.
Uhhh you might want to do more research on “traditional farming”….famine was common even until the last 100 years. What makes it efficient and productive are artificial fertilizers, deep well technology, pesticides, and mechanical engineering/computer engineering of farm machinery. Literally all inventions within the last 100 years
Not really. Farming animals only became efficient with industrialization. Before that, eating meat was a privilege mostly reserved for the rich.
It's called greenwashing.
Interesting how the people from lab meat industry touts that producing lab meat will be like brewing beer, decentralized democratic production of goods, but in reality, it will be even more centralized and monoplized than the current cattle/poultry industry. If we are to have machines to grow meat, liquid nutrients from a field of plants to grow the meat, why not just have cows in out backyard and having hay shipped to us?
I plan to switch to the lab base meat on 32 February; yep, no more real beef for me after that date!!!!!!
Cow is such a great bioreactor, such a complex one really - we don't need a better one for ages to come
pigs, poultry and certain farmed fish are more more efficient protein sources than cows, cows are the least efficient and most environmentally destructive of the common livestock species
We won't duplicate an artificial cow for ages to come.🤣🤣
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@@toasttea3200 ah yes 5 likes vs. 3, this will go down in epic ratio history
@@boo4273 doesn’t change the fact that cows need considerably more water, food and space to produce the same amount of meat compared to pigs and chickens. The slight differences in nutritional density don‘t make up for the differences in efficiency. Yes it’s true that cows can be grass fed with a hands-off approach and cattle ranching can be done sustainably, but those methods require way more land and aren’t productive enough to meet the demand compared to more intensive methods. Most beef produced in the US is fed mostly corn, and corn-fed beef is an extremely inefficient way to make meat.
This reminds me of the age-old idea of the Homunculus. Trying to grow humans inside a lab.
Art(ifial) is the imitation of nature. But only Nature overcomes nature.
Great research and presentation, your videos are always entertaining :)
Not really, we have airplanes that can fly faster than any other animal. And they look totally different from anything in nature.
his "research" is completely biased, don't fall for it.
@@martiddy yeah at an efficiency significantly less than even the heaviest bird. Just because you pump more energy into it doesn't make it better.
@@denofpigs2575 Well, nature had millions of years to perfectionate the way animals fly, while we had just a century since the first planes were created. I wouldn't be surprised if with the current technological progress, we're able to create planes or drones that are more energy efficient than birds in the next decades.
@@martiddy I highly, highly, highly doubt that. Nature is a greater architect than humanity could ever hope to become.
Theoretically, it should be completely possible to make lab meat more efficiently than raising animals.
Animals expend a lot of energy by moving around and thinking, this is energy that could theoretically be saved by a well optimized lab-meat production setup.
But, kind of like fusion, just because we know it's theoretically possible, doesn't mean we know how to do it.
A similar argument could be used to note that algae turn sunlight into fats and carbohydrates more efficiently than land plants do, since algae do not have to waste energy on growing cellulose to stand up against gravity. Yet, most people who have consumed algae would agree it's not primed to take over the vegetable market any time soon.
They all called the traditional way of raising livestock unsustainable. Somehow it has sustained for over 20k years.
It looks pretty sustainable for me;)
Ah yes because we had to feed ~8 billion people 20k years ago.
Compassion opens up all doors, empathy overcomes all barriers, strong ethics leave all sceptics speechless in the dust.
I think lab meat works perfectly.
Cows should be held by tons of farmers, which decentralizes all the power and control over the food chain.
Lab meat can only be produced by multi-billion dollar corporations that can then control the whole food chain.
Works according to plan.
The way to destroy the lab-meat industry with 1 request:
Please make me a A5 grade KOBE steak of at least 500 grams for under 5$
the main reason behind lab meat is, to centralize food production
💯 i am surprised this is not more obvious to everyone... the idea that we are can reproduce nature in a lab is a bit of joke
Bingo. It's about power and control. Nothing more.
Way to cherry Pic and flat out LIE about the information that you've provided.
You should tell us what's the lies instead of being vague
nah
The amount of plastic pollution that would increase from sterile rooms to do this at scale...another huge pollution issue that would just dwarf any greenhouse savings.
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You still need to build a whole cow to keep those cells alive so its the same effect on the environment as normal cows or worse.
Those fast growing cells are also called Cancer Cells.
Fantastic video, very informative, excellent work as usual. The AI generated images are not going to age well and don't look great right now.
This whole video is ai. Including the man and his voice. Listen and look closely it’s impressive
I remember findingnyour channel 4-5 years sgo snd watching the video on eating once a day. While i wasnt dismissive of it i wasnt exactly receptive either. Since then I've gone through a lot more literature and podcasts and sm much more receptive to the idea and occasionally do cycles of it.
With that daid, its great to see your channel come up on the algorithm suggestions. Totally subscribed.
Thanks for taking the effort of making this stuff somewhat digestible to laymen 👍👍
Yes, you saw what I did there, yes it was intentional, you're welcome 😉
Haha!
Funny
What's up with the 100 billion pounds that's a lie? The US only made 28 billion pounds in 2023.
Studies estimate that hamburger meat would cost upwards of $30 a pound without government subsidies, which is a higher price than the $22 estimate of lab grown meat shown in this video. I don't see any reason to believe that a combination of technological improvements and government subsidies couldn't get lab grown meat below what traditional meat costs today. Future Meats has already gotten a pound of their lab grown chicken down to $7.70, down from around $18 only six months ago.
Yeah, it's definitely expensive.. Now. Any major new technology is prohibitively expensive from the onset. But things need to be pushed during these more expensive times to get to the point where it's so mass-produced and mass-regulated that it can be cost-effective.
I agree, it may take a few decades but its going to happen. The actually motivation behind it is immense. No harm in it being a premium product that some people are willing to pay for until then.
Yeah just like solar roadways. We just need to believe!
There's no guarantee that anything will ever reach this point though. If we're looking purely at statistics, it's entirely unlikely that it will. There are unfathomably more failures than success stories in technology. Money isn't magic and throwing it at things doesn't make them happen. The things need to actually be viable.
@@elibeeblebrox1084 Midwits will deny this reality. Most of everything is a failure. It's like saying "WELL ONE DAY IT WON'T BE SO EXPENSIVE TO MAKE GOLD FROM ANYTHING!!!!" Yeah, you can create gold, but it has been way more expensive than just mining gold will ever be.
Biology is extremely complex and it’ll be a long long time till we can even get close to replicating it
You mean to tell me that a "renewable and ecofriendly" technology turned out to be not only not economical and, worse yet, might even be more harmful to the environment than what it would replace?
...Be still my beating heart. I am shocked. Completely shocked.
I've been a fan for some time, not so sure if I'm a fan of this new editing style though. Love your research anyway 🫶
Man, I really want lab meat to work. But as stated, multiple earth-shattering, Nobel-worthy breakthroughs are needed. Maybe in 100 years...
This channel is the best for doing this, so much propaganda is out there that just makes no sense, thank you
Its funny how this convenient thing that you find yourself agreeing isn't propaganda, convenient
@Mechalock how about, how one sided he's been. This wasn't a debate at all. He only presented arguments against using facts like investors and scam companies. As if those mattered
This channel is literally pro-meat propaganda. He cherry picks information to support his arguments.
@@gravel7614 why is it one-sided? Can you show us the sides that were not mentioned and that are stronger than his arguments? All i see here is "but the future" and "but people said cars will never subtitute horses". As if cars didn't cause climate change and pollution and as if they were comparable to lab meat in any shape or form 🤣
@@pikapi6993 I'm not going to do a full breakdown of lab grown meat or even advocate for it. I'm criticising the video for its cherry picked data and lack of both sides. It's one sided.
Also those people are being vague but the argument is that lab grown meat shouldn't be completely discounted just because it has some issues right now
It’s expensive because it hasn’t been scaled yet because they’re still learning now to. Eg. Can blood be provided by lab grown reactors? No, it’s crazy expensive AT THE MOMENT, but they’ve figured out how to do it and are in the process of upscaling the process and the price is dropping rapidly so we’ll be able to finally have enough blood.
We currently invest way, way, way too many resources into meat production, it’s not sustainable, it’s just not.. The way we make meat now is Not normal or traditional..
Hard pass I’ll just keep buying beans and beyond burgers from the dollar store 😅
So you eat unhealthy food
I will keep killing animals as has been done for hundreds of millenia. The staple foods in our diets that has allowed us to progress and evolve to the point we have. I have no ethical qualms about eating meat.
Absolutely disgusting, stay safe.
My dad used to buy veggie burgers when I was young in the 2000s. Only recently I tried an impossible whopper from BK and the meat tasted extremely similar. Made me wonder what all the hype was about if the flavor is still so far away from actual meat.
@@GarudaLegends Vegans and vegetarians live longer and healthier lives than those that aren't. Facts over feelings.
But what happens when the industry fails and 11-22 times the amount of bioreactors have been made? Medicine costs 📉
...lets just call it what it is... a scam.
You mean „investment Opportunity“ xD
true
Like global warming
@@RubberChickenMan007 lol
I wouldn’t call it a scam but I thinks it’s a “impossible project” cause it’s way to much to do make it for real
Salmon roe in orange juice is probably the grossest illustration for cells sitting in urine. Nice work
I thought it was bursting boba 😳
Orange chicken lol
Is that really salmon roe? I was guessing it was just some gelatin-type stuff, like they used in Orbitz soft drink many years ago, or tapioca.
Without using actual cells and urine that is.
Total gross out!
As a microbiologist, I cannot begin to express how much I appreciate the extent of how you stressed what an obstacle it would be to keep such a large environment sterile 24/7. Cell-based meat will never, ever be the same kind of thing as some guy taking up a side-hobby of brewing up Schrader Brau in his garage. Brewing not only allows for the growth of microbial life, but its success is based upon creating an evironment for their specific strains of fermentative yeast to thrive. Meanwhile the environment for cell-based meat is just a million-dollar bacterial culture waiting to happen.
Mass media only seems to remember the existence of microbial life when the 1%ers decide it's time to crush what remains of that pesky middle class, I guess.
I would not say never, but it's clearly a long ways off, if it ever happens. It doesn't seem like the average person likes this sort of thing enough for it to be.
Yes. Lab cheese would probably be a lot easier...
WEF wants everyone to eat bugs, pay rent, own nothing.
They don't care about science
@@JukaDominator true, people who are calling this a scam have no clue what they are taking about. We make vehicles powered by explosions, tell that to someone 200 years ago and they also will say it sounds like a scam.
We need to put money into the industry inorder for it to come to fruition
I mean, large scale mammalian cell culture *is* a thing in the pharmaceutical industry, and it avoids contamination the same way the cultivated meat industry does - doing sterilising filtration on media components and sterilising all equipment before use.
I work in pharma and I specialize in microbiological control. They neglect to mention that these bioreactors aren’t the real cost here. Cells need to be grown in highly controlled environments. These facilities will need expensive hvac and air filtration setups, disposable protective gowning for each employee, and rigorous quality control testing. These are all recurring costs that would balloon the final product cost. Of course the standard for food aren’t as high as for drugs, but when working with unproctected cells, it only takes one microbe to spoil tens of thousands of dollars of product
Why can’t A super computer design a pseudo immune system for the growing meat?
@@DirtyLifeLove we are about as close to printing a functional immune system as we are to printing a brain
These facilities would probably be similar to the ones you use, how much can it cost to make "1 Kilo" of Aspirine? Excluding brevet costs, just the material manufacturing cost.
@@massi9039 as far as I’m aware, aspirin can be chemically synthesized under minimal contamination control. Harvesting biomolecules from bioreactors (essentially milking GMO bacteria for your compound) is much more difficult due to the need to re-seed organisms, exchange media, prevent cross-contamination, etc. My product is very intricate and expensive. A more apt analogy would be bioreactor insulin, since it’s had many decades of RND, and is in high enough demand to be massively scaled. Based on some googling and a bit of math, insulin would be between 300-400$ per L at cost, which would be about the same amount per kilo. Applying that to meat, your 12 oz steak would be 100-130$ at cost if it were perfectly scaled to market. This also neglects the inherent differences in manufacturing a solid cell product on a scaffold which would be significantly more expensive, even after rnd.
These problems sunk fuel from algae.
This makes me appreciate how much animal bodies work to keep bacteria from interrupting cell grow and function. It's easy to take for granted but as soon as those cells are separated from the many, many layers of immune system, it's very clear how much we rely on it
I am sure animals are happy you appreciate that but so is Pharmaceutical industry that is getting millions only from animal industry. I wonder why...
Then why not tissue engineer an immune system to go with it?
@@trevorloughlin1492really hard
@@trevorloughlin1492 Because those immune systems require bone marrow to replenish itself, and that marrow needs to be housed in bones and those bones require specialized cells to build and maintain and those cells need a liver or a spleen or whatever organ, at some point you may as well just raise cows normally instead of wasting time re-inventing the cow.
@@kyosokutai It goes all the way around and the only difference would be that one is alive and the other is not
It's almost like life has spent billions of years optimizing the most efficient method to continue itself.
To a degree yes but life/evolution basically only measures reproduction which leads to things which are detrimental to the individual (Like male peacocks dragging around dead weight which might get them killed and they also use resources on growing it) but because it increases their chance at reproducing it is optimal from an evolutionary point of view. I am not sure I would view it as optimal in general but that's just my opinion.
@@JoViljarHaugstulen million of cells die in your body everyday. Your only still here because reproduction is life. Does it matter to peacocks as a whole if an individual dies after being more successful at reproduction that other individuals that may live longer.
@@JoViljarHaugstulen like it or not, the only purpose of a Cow is to make more cows that make more cows, a chicken to make more chickens that make more chickens, a human yo make more humans that make more humans. That is how and why those physical being exist. You can argue the meaning of life beyond that, but without it there is no life to have any other meaning
@@SunShine-xc6dh fr bro
@@SunShine-xc6dh So human holocaust camps are fine? That’s the goal of any animal, lol.
When I was growing stuff in a lab way back when, we grew it in Bovine growth serum (BGS) which is basically cow juice. This still requires cows to be "juiced".
I thought it was made of cow fetuses?
@@araincs There are different kinds of serums, the one you are talking about is Fetal bovine serum
The Thoughtemporium (use Google to fix that spelling hah) mentioned some folks in ?Japan? wrote a paper on how to use ?Gatorade? And something else. I can't remember but I recall he found it hilarious. Apparently once he has sufficient cells grown he wants to try it on some as it'd make it a lot cheaper.
my friend calls milk "cow juice"
Juiced cow! You made my day!
I've worked with cells, and it is no joke that those things are monstrous PITA's, despite their small size. The broth itself is 1 issue. In the lab, you have to monitor growth conditions, extract spent growth media, rinse cells with STERILE fluid, apply new growth media, do cellular checkups for abnormalities, and then -- praying to the lab gods -- hope your cells turn out. That stuff counted for a large portion of my grade in the final exam of the class. Still remember one of my dishes of cells being little SoBs. They gave me a not so subtle..., ahem, "go eff yourself" when they turned cancerous and said cancer cells looked like a phallic symbol.
Right now, as it stands, lab grown meat is not viable. It's just a proof of concept. We need massive discoveries in cellular growth technology to expedite the process, enhance it's potency, etc.... It will require years of research + massive funding to develop the tech proper. Again, what we have is just an expensive proof of concept.
My hope is that on our way towards lab-grown meat, we can use our advancements to create newer methods for people that need special treatments. Cancers, birth deformities, burn patients, and more could benefit from the tech. It would be wonderful if we could take a(n) technique/idea in that division, applying it towards burn ward patients. Imagine the potential at a well-stocked, well funded hospital. We could have a broth/stock mixture in a vial, use a patients undamaged tissue cells, combine the two, and use 3D printing technology on organic polymer sheets aid in recovery, said layer impregnated with a diverse cocktail of necessary nutrients to speed up recovery.
Anyways, I do agree we're too optimistic, but we shouldn't stop trying.
Or, maybe we can make a genetically engineered lizard with a meaty and fat tail or a engineered axocotyl the size of a croc. Chop the tail and let it grow.
I loved my microbiology class in college 10 years ago, and my professor waxed on and on about how perfectly ideal the environment for the Petri dishes had to be when getting his PhD. I don’t blame him, since we didn’t have to attempt to harvest aerobic bacteria cultures suffocating in their own CO2 and ammonia.
I’m curious whether exploration towards mimicking the natural process of incubation (I.e. artificial wombs) might be useful in providing an alternative framework to these tanks culturing methods
I recall there was an artificial womb breakthrough 5-ish years ago, but I’m unsure of what the efficacy rate is
I WILL FIGHT AND DIE ON THE FRONTLINES AGAINST THE MARKISTS BEFORE I EAT THAT DEATH MEAT
they are using HELA immortalized cells
Listening to all the sanitation regulations regarding lab meat, it’s also the same fallacy regarding bug meat: you can’t just throw a bunch of random roaches in a blender, the meat being cultivated needs to be properly regulated and sanitized so that come to production, you’re not at risk of getting any food poisoning or worse.
I remember hearing about study about those bugs. Most of the farms around were infected by something, be it parasites or something else. And really what would you expect in those conditions. And bugs also have basic immune system and defences... Where as lab meat has none.
@@_Ekaros most insect pathogens cannot harm humans. Their bodies are very different.
@@JonathenPetrie Go eat the boogs then. There are devastating effects of eating bugs well beyond pathogens.
I love eating crickets as snacks. People have been catching, frying and eating crickets for hundreds of years. They are wild, organic not domesticated animals, caught in traditional rice plants, not in industrial plants.
This insect lab sounds like what they do to Casava. A "poison" carb that had fed millions around the world when cooked the traditional way, and became actual poison when the "scientific" healthy ways to safely eat them aren't robust enough.
Nonono those are two VERY different situations
Wait for Brad Pitt or some Kardashians to make an ad eating it, and everyone will jump in the hype train.
WIL would have an aneurism
Not a big, a bowl of bugs .
They will stage a bunch of hip millennial "influencers" eating it....Yeeeeaaach!
I'll wait for Brad Pitt to eat some Kardashian, Then i'll jump on that flesh train.
They already have lul (hopped on it I mean sans celebrities. Idk if that's white or black pilling)
I was fantasizing about making lab meat as a teenager in the 1960s. I was a big fan of science fiction and space exploration and I was planning to become a biologist. I was also interested in economics. Lab grown meat seemed like a normal extrapolation of technology; it did occur to me that steaks are more than a collection of cells but I didn’t think too hard about that.
the people today falling for it don't have ideals or imagination, they never read a book. not an independent thought or drive.
@@Khunark many of them are intelligent, enthusiastic people scammed by snake oil salesmen. It happens to every group.
@@Khunark you can't have an ideal in a corrupt world only naive deluded idiots would
In the sci-fi of my youth food was either a single daily pill or flavored algae.
You got that idea from StarTrek - they had “food replicators” …
Honestly the whole lab meat question is quite simple. It's a science that needs more development. It's not ready to be applied. It doesn't matter how badly some greedy people want to make money of it, it needs more time and work before it can actually function at all.
History has taught us that I f it doesn’t work now it’s 100% impossible and will never ever work. All the great scientists of history always give up if something doesn’t work first time.
@@rewindcat7927 science is literally built on trial and error what are you saying bro
@@jakedespppp I think that he was being sarcastic
@@hkgx I can't really tell. Perceive my comment in your own way I guess cuz I have no idea lol
@@jakedespppp I wholeheartedly agree with the original comment. The video was short-sighted imo, and I regretted watching it. Sarcasm was not the best way to express this.
If only they used their resources, talent and effort to make lab organs. So many people could benefit from this.
The goal is not benefit😂... is profits
Scientists are actively working on that, and it's wildly different from what this is. Two things can be happening at the same time.
@@johnholowach That's what I keep hearing since when I was an elementary school kid. Now I'm in my mid forties ...
AGREE : (((((((((@@mmkr0000
@@johnholowach True, but if the funding was transferred from lab grown meat to lab organs, that would speed up the technological advancement of lab organs significantly.
Basically, it's ultra processed garbage.
No. I'll raise my own grass fed cattle before I buy this.
hopefully you have the land or get it it before foreign nationals and bill gates buy up all the farm land
So you own a farm/barn
@@homies1270 I’m fine eating slurry.
I usually get skeptical (and you should be too) about claims that an artificial process would be better at creating organic matter than nature.
Very simple principle but spot on! Agreed.
Nobody claimed it would be better than nature, only that it would be a viable way to replace nature.
@@nic12344 why would we want a viable equivalent solution? Spend money and things stay the same? These things are funded on the principle the benefits will outweigh the current practice.
That's really weird because a crap ton of natural products are currently being made artificially.
We are sure better at creating insulin now
Never trust anyone who tells you that you’re in extreme danger unless you give them your money.
The thing is we ARE in danger.
But this won't help.
11:35 - That's something that bugs me about lab grown meat. In real meat, the nutrients in it depends on how the animal was raised (what it ate, did it get enough sun, etc). How are they going to replicate that? Are they just adding supplements to the meat? I'm tired of hearing "but animal take supplements too" instead of an actual answer.
The meat is identical, on a cellular level.
@@rdizzy1 To what? A sick cow, a grass fed cow, a corn fed cow?
@@curtislavoie2242 The healthiest possible.
@@bubblegodanimation4915 You must be an investor🤣
@@GearlessJoe0 in that timestamp he just says it goes in a vat with a all the nutrients the cell needs. What are those nutrients? For example, does it have vitamin A or it have some carotenoids that gets converted to vitamin A?
This certainly makes me appreciate natural biology more
Yes, you're automatically led into the notion that you could add something like veins, like lungs, like livers and kidneys...
You will be surprised at how "natural" the meats you eat.
Talking about genetically modified foods, I have gripe about 2 of them.1 is apples that are flavorless granny Smith tart apples from Walmart as well as many other if their fruit and vegetables are bland and flavorless. 2 is the way they are procesing Maxwell house and folders and other brands. I have been drinking coffee daily for over 59 years. It's not the same. I'm not sure how they are doing it but it tastes like they steam and extract the flavor from the beans (there is a need for coffee flavoring and caffeine they can profit off) and it also tastes so bitter as if the are grinding the the coffee bean leaves and stems to make the weight heavier to get a bigger profit.
Singapore is probably not doing it for environmental concerns, but rather, for the simple fact that there is basically no land in Singapore that can support traditional farming of meat products. So it is a matter of national security, albeit not a super serious one, given its widespread trading partners.
They probably don't want to rely two heavily on trade in order to get meat
A lot of things that are advertised as "sustainable" are actually a fluke. My advice: learn about LCAs (Life Cycle Assessments), how they work and see for yourself. Great video btw
I think the closer we are to natural food, the better off and more environmentally friendly we are.
LMNT has electrolytes. It's what plants crave.
If you want to secure food production it makes no sense...
But if you want full control of it...
Hench the whole point of losing all the money, control of all of it!
Thats absolutely what it is
As if farmers don't already control all your food sources anyways?
@@truedemoknight6784 unless you can till your own land and take care of your own livestock, you have to rely on farmers, who aren't even turning profit due to how much bureaucracy they have to deal with.
@@truedemoknight6784 "farmers" Lol. Lmao.
Multibillion dollar conglomerates for seeds and fertilizer are who controls the food supply.
I lost it at the caviar drenched in orange juice
Just imagine that there was a compact laboratory for the production of meat, with protection from bacteria and viruses, mobility and low cost... Wait a minute.
reinventing cows is the new reinventing trains, 10/10
Robot cows let's go
And imagine if these labs could take the waste material from farming that humans can't eat and turn it into fertilizer to boot! Almost like nature has it all figured out or something.
It would be nice if we could stack them thousands of floors high, in the dark, and not worry about land use or greenhouse gas emissions though. Current models suffer a lot of troubles with being packed in tightly. Or in other words, it's not viable now, but it's definitely got benefits to being further developed. Never say never, just say 'not today, but someday maybe.'
Unlike flying cars, there are potential up-sides to vertical farming and improving livestock; and those improvements might not even be what we think. It could be as simple as genetically engineering animals to make less methane. There's hundreds of ways it could go, and it's hard to predict what path it will take.
@@kauske "It could be as simple as genetically engineering animals to make less methane."
Yeah, so simple it could win a Nobel Prize if it happened.
I love how gross and thoroughly unappetizing all of this future-goo sounds 😂
I mean not everyone likes a cut up piece of a dead leg either way
@@antonhelsgaun touche
@@antonhelsgaun a cut up piece of human leg, yes.
The food now is gross, just take a hard look at a cheeto.
I'm not a vegetarian. But when you actually think about the consuming of the carcasses of others, it's actually quite gross itself & I can see why someone would make the decision not to eat it. Of course, a general scientific understanding of decomposition, bacteria, parasites, our digestive systems, etc, really helps to put it all into perspective. But I know that science, unfortunately, isn't the most popular of subjects.
So it turns out that you need an entire organism to grow an organism. Who could have forseen this?
Summary:
In this video, we will be discussing the challenges and promises of
lab-grown meat. Firstly, we will explore the issue of lab-grown
chicken being expensive and unsustainable, and how this raises
questions about the sustainability of lab meat as a whole. We will
then delve into a cost analysis of lab meat, examining the challenges
of producing it in bioreactors. We will discuss the various challenges
that lab meat faces, as well as the promises that it holds for the
future of sustainable food production. We will also take a closer look
at Zymergen's optimistic vision for lab meat, and the challenges that
they face in scaling up production. Finally, we will examine the
investment risks associated with lab meat, as well as the gamble that
is being
Key Takeaways:
- The video discusses the challenges and promises of lab-grown meat
- It explores the issue of lab-grown chicken being expensive and unsustainable, and how this raises questions about the sustainability of lab meat as a whole
- The video also examines the challenges of producing lab meat in bioreactors and discusses the various challenges that lab meat faces, as well as the promises that it holds for the future of sustainable food production
- It takes a closer look at Zymergen's optimistic vision for lab meat and the challenges they face in scaling up production
- Finally, the video examines the investment risks associated with lab meat and the gamble that is being taken.
Timestamps:
0:00:00 - Lab-grown chicken expensive and unsustainable.
0:02:34 - Lab meat's sustainability questioned.
0:05:14 - Lab meat cost analysis.
0:07:48 - Bioreactor challenges for lab meat.
0:10:25 - Lab meat challenges and promises.
0:12:58 - Zymergen's optimistic vision
0:15:36 - Challenges in lab meat.
0:18:09 - Lab meat scaling challenges.
0:20:49 - Investment risks in lab meat.
0:23:20 - Lab meat cost gamble.
thank you
scary AI
Thanks, chatGPT
Which AI was used for this
Yo hm adderall you on??
Consumers today “get 80/20 ground beef. It’s 80% meat 20% fat”. Consumers in the future “get 80/20 meat slurry. It’s 80% soy protein 20% cell cultured protein”
🤮
Give us 5 years and the economic forum will be feeding us corpse starch
nope, never eating the goyslop
and 0% animal cruelty / less likely to be contaminated. Yeah I think I would take that, thanks you very much.
@@theophiled If you watched the video "less likely to be contaminated" isn't true.
This grown meat is very hard to keep it "clean"
It is ironic that people are so suspicious about people tinkering with their fruits and vegetables (this they choose organic), but when it comes to meat, it can be grown in a lab and that is fine.
I'm pretty sure people are still suspicious of lab grown meet. just because it's being done, doesn't mean it is widely supported.
GMO is safe and so is lab meat. Would love to see your data to the opposite.
@@zacheryeckard3051 these two things shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence.
Altering an organism to enhance the traits we want versus reverse-engineering an organism.
@@asbestoz1123 It's all just biomechanics and organic chemistry. There isn't really a difference.
You're also just vaguely gesturing at hypocrisy anyway, though.
Lab grown meat is superior to normal meat because there is no cruelty involved. It's an ethical concern.
Folks going organic is generally a health concern fueled by ignorance, sadly.
@@zacheryeckard3051 The creation of meat is very different from genetic modification. Maybe watch the video. And ethics aren’t the only concern of the food you eat, if you decided to only eat lab grown meat you would need a 7 figure income.
whenever I get excited by new advancements in Science, Medicine and Technology; and then a bunch of rich and powerful soulless people and corporations start pushing said advancements like their life depends on it: I start to wonder whether they really want to improve our lives or just line their pockets and lead us into a dystopia
They just want to line their pockets, they don't care if it becomes dystopian or utopian. That's the profit motive in action
I wonder do 60+ ppl who liked your comment see the irony that they are the ones who are powerful and soulless since they are butchering the animals and treating them like things. Funny how those people don't see themselves as soulless.
@@VeridianBluesok Klaus Schwab, we won't eat your lab poison.
@@VeridianBlues Do you consider carnivorous animals the same way when they kill and eat other animals? Why is killing all of those poor plants (also a living thing) okay, but not other food sources? How about insects? They are ALL living, breathing organisms so why does anybody else get to decide which life is more worthy than another in the food chain -- including our own food sources?
Always assume the one that involves greed.