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Lab-grown meat: Why are countries banning it? - The Global Story podcast, BBC World Service
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2024
- Lab-grown meat is often touted as the solution to climate-friendly meat production. But in some parts of the world, governments are introducing laws to stop it from being produced.
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On the Global Story podcast, Lucy Hockings speaks with Graihagh Jackson, host of The Climate Question programme on the BBC World Service and our Asia business reporter Nick Marsh. They discuss whether cultivated meat is a potential solution to the climate crisis or just a gimmick.
00:00 Introduction
01:29 Trying lab-grown meat
03:09 What is lab-grown meat?
03:46 Does lab-grown meat taste right?
05:33 Why Singapore allow lab-grown meat
06:26 Lab-grown meat in the United States
06:54 Is lab-grown meat greener?
09:08 Environmental concerns around traditional meat
10:13 Meat consumption rising in India
10:39 Why does it get banned?
11:45 Where can people get lab-grown meat?
12:27 Tradition vs sci-fi
13:48 Why is the industry struggling?
15:00 Cost issues
15:41 A bit of a gimmick?
16:34 Could attitudes change to lab-grown meat?
18:03 Will we see lab-grown meat on supermarket shelves?
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If we use it in cat and dog food, initially, we could get more production and hopefully bring the price down. The pets will tell us if it tastes like meat
My dog turns down most sausages these days!
"in the United States, pet food may account for 25-30% of the environmental impact of meat consumption." Claude
@@smkh2890and that’s a big market which can help scale up until is attractive enough for humans
My dog is definitively the best food judge. He is so fussy and sniffes for ages whatever I try to give him and literally turns down 99% of any food apart from good quality chicken, chicken liver or pate sometimes if I find some really good quality veg like carrots and peas He might eat that as well
I would never let my cat to eat that!!
Money.
The reason is always money.
There’s nothing traditional about factory farming.
The things you consider traditional were not traditional at the time either give it a few thousand years....
Or vegetarianism
@@Thelostgoldhunters wrong. Actually vegetarianism has been around for millenia
@@frankmedrisch7451 It hasn't been around for millennia, it's more just in the modern era that is has been around. Historically humans have been opportunistic omnivores.
@@MartinMengewhat makes you think they are cult? Some ppl don’t consume animal products due to ethics, religious and or environmental reasons. Eating anything other than cows and being able to convince others to not eat cows significantly reduces emissions. 1 lb of cow is like 10 lbs of chicken according to bbc emissions chart and other sources. Obviously plant proteins are best but practical positive changes that ppl are able to follow are way way way better than no change.
We have all eaten yoghurt... and all drunk beer... same process, different medium. The big breakthrough will be when the prices drops dramatically, then companies will put it in processed food. It will be like solar panels.... early adopters do it for the environment... or independence.. .and when the price drops enough everyone does it.
Beer and yogurt have no nutritional benefit to the human body. Beer literally kills people’s body.
Entrenched industry doesn’t want competition
When it comes to vitamins and minerals, experts always say to take them from real food. Lab-grown meat has factory made vitamin additives to factory made protein. Even comparing real beef, there is a stark difference in omega3 of poorly raised cow versus grass-fed/finished beef, let alone taste and texture.
Hey, that’s a very interesting point. Thanks
Which experts with PhDs are u referring to? Even if we assume that statement is true there’s no evidence that slightly more omega 3 or other vitamins and minerals increase quality and quantity of life.
Plants proteins have been proven to be beneficial (2 healthy twins have similar body composition if calories, activity and total protein are similar/equated even if source of protein is from rice as long as the total protein and calories are around the same) and lab grown meat also significantly reduces emissions.
1 lb of cows is like 10 lbs of chicken in terms of emissions according to bbc emissions chart and other sources so eating anything other than cow and being able to convince others to do the same makes a difference and slows down detrimental global warming worldwide.
Plant proteins have even lower emissions and the animals appreciate it. A 3rd party tested multivitamin might prevent some deficiencies in a portion of the population. Some ppl even ppl that consume animal products are deficient in b12, iron etc and experience symptoms which are resolved when their body absorbs enough vitamins and minerals from a 3rd party tested multivitamin to guarantee potency and purity since a lot of supplements are contaminated due to lack of regulation due to supplement lobbying and lack of care from the public
@@le3336 if you want to remain blind, keep remaining blind. I can’t and won’t go to Google scholar to do the work for you.
Nah, they are correct. You are the blind one. Time to wake up!
@le3336 omega-3 is literally responsible for human species developing our brain to the point of having all this (take a good look around).
just as meat, plants are also essential in human diet, however so much drinking water and so much "good land" is required to grow plants. because not every plant will grow in poor soil, and even fertile soil is getting slowly depleted - we have less vitamins/nutrients in plants now than ever before... (hey, while we're at it, plants also have intelligence and consciousness, easily foundable on YT documentaries can shed some light on this question as science is moving forward in research) yet i don't go shouting to b@n plants. humans are *omnivores* and we have our intestines with only one stomach and our "mixed" teeth shapes to prove it. vitamin B12 deficiency is a very serious thing, btw, which causes permanent nerve damage as well as other symptoms, including cognitive impairment. if you can handle plant-based diet only (which is not very natural in colder climates, i mean without modern "global" market our ancestors didn't have avocados lying around in the north of europe, where surviving winters required a bit more than turnips or potatoes), so better be careful and supplement B12. i try to eat a well-balanced diet which includes a little bit of everything, and i still supplement but just a little bit extra, nothing crazy.
Big food Producers’ margins aren’t very high for whole foods so convincing people that lab meat is preferable and will save the planet is in their best interests.
And the evidence supports it so that makes it even easier.
The factory in Singapore did not even get commissioned because the arrogant aussie construction head pulled the plug and left the project and violated the contract to seek client approval first before they stopped work.
I remembered as 8 to 9 yrs old in kenya eating giraffe meat. This was on the height of severe draught in north eastern in the peripherals of tana river.
I believed the giraffe was stuck in the mud on the edge of the river and subsequently the villages slaughtered it and distributed amongst themselves.
Looking back it feels weird and disgusting, but then we had to survive.
Yes you got a point there. If meat bad for environment also the private jets.
Yep. Clearly you have a firm grasp of the obvious!
It is time for policimakers and industry to advance the discussion and implementation of true price, which includes social and environmental costs of production and consumption patterns. The journalists here should have raise that point, which is central to address the challenges discusses here.
Most of your food is already so processed that "lab meat" will be more organic/natural. This will become accepted at some point in the next 40 years and it will be a good thing overall.
Agree. TH-cam deleted my initial supporting comment for some reason...
we’ll be extinct in 40 years
Depends what you choose to eat
Lab grown meat will probably take off because it can be engineered with flavors humans crave that may not be available naturally.
Blue raspberry filet mignon??
@@Eli-ip2vlfk yeah, that’s intriguing, I’m all for it.😀
really interesting point! 😀
What concerns me is the constant craving for meat-like products. It feels like an addiction that many people have developed. Instead of exploring the wide variety of natural ingredients available for cooking, there's a tendency to focus on finding plant-based replacements that mimic the texture and taste of meat.
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-EVs are far better than ICE cars.
-Electrifying your life with wind, solar, e-bikes, EVs, e-buses, trains, e-BBQs, induction tops is great for individuals.
-Lab meat sounds better than 60b killed animals per year.
-Proven new products work, however sadly peer pressure bells and whistles confuse some people, who curl up and dribble in the corner like Pavlov's dog.
If something is banned in other countries then it will be approved post-haste and allowed to be sold in America and if something is legal in other countries then it will almost certainly be banned in America.
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sadly that's true
Please elaborate more with examples.
My grandfather was the butcher in Kinghorn, Scotland - he would love and approve of this. It tastes great and we have had it for ages here in California. The motives are right - what are the nutritional benefits ? I can buy it off the shelf today !!
Probably none. At most, there are culinary benefits. I see it as a luxury product, like chocolates, but uninteresting otherwise.
How do you know your father will approve this concussion if you never bought it or tasted it?? Get your head checked first and I bet your father will approve that!!
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I don't feel weird about lab grown meat at all. At least no more weird than the idea of eating the body of another sentient being. The more you really think about that, the weirder it feels. We're just conditioned not to (think about it).
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@@delaneycloete5920 ehm... Potato?
@@IngerWinkelmann Sincere apologies, I assumed you were an AI generated response.
When I was vegetarian I thought the same but I've recently reintroduced fish and meat back into my diet after 7/8 years due to health issues. I will only eat organic and grass fed meat and won't have it more than once or twice a week. If eating fish and organic grass fed meat helps my health should I ditch it and feel unwell again? Sadly I'm not sure vegetarianism or veganism is sustainable long term for some people. I wish it was, I didn't think I'd eat fish or meat again but if I need it to survive I have no choice but to eat it.
There's enough unnatural crap in our foods as it is making us unwell so I don't see why they wouldn't just do the same with lab grown meat which is why I don't trust it. At this point I think the paleo diet sounds like the healthiest option, eating all organic and only consuming foods our ancestors from the Paleolithic diet ate. I think we should definitely make sure that the living conditions for farm animals are more humane i.e free range and we should limit our meat consumption but some people genuinely need it in their diets and different people respond to different diets.
Lab meet may be equivalent with "lab honey"? Peoples are very "happy" eating lab honey instead of bee honey. Please label your product properly,
Lab it sold in stores.grown meat is a fantastic discovery that will hopefully slow and eventually stop the unnecessary suffering of billions of animals. I cannot wait to see
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Killing animals to eat is such a primitive thing, it should stop.
I'd want to know how exactly that meat was produced. I mean, every stage and ingredients to make those solution even if I wouldn't know all of them. I agree this lab-grown meat would be a great alternative to actual meat as long as it is at least as safe as some of the safest snacks we eat on a regular basis. I won't trust it for nutrients but I'm not crazy about meat though I'm not vegan. For people like me, I imagine we can eat plant based products and can try this alternative every once in a while. I honestly don't care that much about how it tastes like. As long as it tastes as good as some canned meat or not disgusting, it is good to go for me.
The problem I have with these alternative environmental saving processes is they're never really clear and truthful about the impact on the environment. When they claim that their lab will produce the same amount of meat as say 100 cows a day. How much environmental impact is caused by a huge concrete building filled with plastics? What about the electricity used to run this building every day? What about the cars driven by the 200 employees every day? Can you really tell me that this lab has less impact on the environment than 200 cows grazing on grass?
Totally agree
Plus absolutely each single item in the lab is manufactured using which power source, shipped using which power source ?etc So you are correct, we do not want to be preached at, we want figures!
That's exactly what the video is about...
Thats a valid point and probably hard to say in before. She said in the video herself, that it would be a very energy intensive industry probably. There are always up- and downsides to technologies. At least for the agricultural industry we have very diverse and good documented data. As it stands, the industry is also trying to get more efficient with technology - if we look at a cow. Youll have to feed it for YEARS. Each day it needs resources. And all the infrastructure and facilities for the cattle; to live, to die and to be processed. All of the people working there and the industry is a huge contributor to the work force I believe. Still its save to ask, how save, nutritional and sustainable is the average meat? I dont have answers as you can see, its a huge ass/complex topic -
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It would be good idea if it's safe and cheap
What are the long-term health implications?
That's the million dollar question.. nobody knows yet
Probably the same as meat
That’s my concern too. In reality no one knows. I wondering what billionaires eating? This? I don’t think so! Will see
@@jackwarren8498meat has none lmaooo
@@vazqueznicholas27 bahahah, you have to be kidding me right? Cholesterol, food poisoning, parasites, heart disease, obesity.
Thank you. Just a note.
Here in Italy the ban of lab-grown meat is driven by ignorance, fear of progress and technology. They also want to limit research into artificial intelligence....
They target those who have this retrograde way of thinking because that's where they find votes.
Nothing to do with maintaining traditions.
We are already unwell because of unnatural crap in food like glucose-fructose syrup, preservatives and additives, corn starch and much more so what's to say they won't just add the same crap or other things into the lab grown meat? We should make sure that all farmed animals are free range and treat in a humane way while alive and should limit our meat consumption but to trade in real organic grass fed meat which is natural to our bodies and even our paleolithic ancestors ate for lab grown seems like it's gonna really have a negative impact on our health.
I say this as someone who had cancer 9 years ago prompting me to do a ton of research into health and nutrition. I was vegetarian for 7/8 years but have reintroduced fish because I had low vitamin D and have had a lot of health issues since last year, I'm starting to eat organic grass fed meat again once or twice a week in the hopes that my health might improve as well as cutting out the bad ingredients I previously mentioned. I'd have loved to have stayed vegetarian but I think different people react differently to different diets so sadly being meat and fish free isn't sustainable long term for some people.
As for AI, good luck if it becomes self aware. Also maybe research a guy called Klaus Schwab, the World Economic Forum and the Chinese social credit system. If AI takes over jobs they'll introduce Universal Basic Income but make it so that you can only claim it if you get a digital ID which is incredibly totalitarian in nature.
Thats a hell no for me
Kudos to first person who took a chance eating a lobster.
I think that once the regulatory approvals are in place, lab meat will squeeze the traditional meat market from both ends. Up-market products will be produced to appeal to the more well off and ethically/environmentally conscious consumer. Then, once cost falls below that of farmed meat, it will make economic sense for companies to use lab meat in ready meals and cheaper meat products like sausages/burgers/nuggets etc. If this happens, farming animals on a large scale will no longer be economically viable. Animal meat will become a very small scale industry that serves an ever-decreasing market of old traditionalists.
I wondering if anyone actually looked into this properly? Wheres the proof good for environment? Who’s going to benefit most?
There's a doco on TH-cam about beyond meat... look it up.
It's a total con job.
Life of Billions of animals, maybe?
And after that land - money - water and all other resources used to feed them?
and therefore all the human beings in the world maybe?
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What about morals?! They’re animals. We’re animals. Not products. We’ve strayed so far from nature, and you’re starting to notice the repercussions now. What’s to come is worse
I wonder if anyone is asking about whether lab-grown meats digest similarly in our bodies. What health concerns might there be from this?
This is amazing, and I hope it comes to my area of the US soon. Definitely looking foward to it.
Have some locust bread while you're at it.. umm yummy 😋
I like the contaminated lab grown meat because it has no white blood cell. It could easily be a huge loss for the company for a single bacteria get in the tank.
Thats why its lab grown. Look at the deseases we already got from the "fresh meat" side.
It's our planet, not the UNs, or the BBCs.
I still remember reading about lab grown meat in a popular science magazine being 30-40 years away from ready for human consumption in the mid-late nineties and I’ve been waiting for it ever since
Personally, I think it is brilliant. I’d eat it any day.
I respect Italy for supporting organic ❤
19:22 If you're protecting farmers who have livestock and produce meat then you're also protecting the campaign contributions they make to the republican party.
Why and how does it grow at room temperature? A lot of other stuff grows on a Petri dish at room temperature - I’ll pass
like Penicillin?
The same as they say diet coke is better than classic coke, but never the case
Diet Coke is objectively better that Classic Coke in every way.
A glib statement that has precisely nothing to add to this discussion.
Hello straw man my old friend
Cause big firms will make money while the poor farmers go bankrupt. All the money will be in the hand of few companies.
13:12 water, feed, land use, species competition, disease, antibiotics and hormones- feed lots, abbatoir, shipping, climate impacts …. and who besides a corporation is really making any money?
Lab grown meat is 25x more polluting than a normal beef, lol.
First address the COVID-19 vaccines' effects
“I don’t eat much meat. I’m mostly vegetarian.” No such thing love. You are or you aren’t. Almost all meat eaters are omnivores so you’re not special.
In meantime, the "lab grown meat" is processed just like any ultra process food that's abundant in market nowadays.
Some formula adjustment, some additive, some compound. Kaboom.
Talk about the climate and environment? Trace the money and you should get the answer.
The cows and sheep's must be celebrating if they are watching this on TH-cam!!!!😂😂😂😂
The taste of this lab meat not mean Healthy !!!
What a shame, shaming cows for farting.
A product comparable to meat without animal suffering is banned. That says more about the people banning it than about the lab-grown meat.
Lab Grown Meat is just another version of processed food.
I can’t wait till I can eat lab grown.. I’ve been vegetarian for 6 years, but would welcome lab grown
To the expert in the studio who is 'mostly vegetarian', would it not be better to avoid the sorrow and suffering of a life being taken & give this far more sustainable meat a ringing endorsement, for the water not wasted or the grain saved alone?!
As for the presenter claiming organic Beef in her childhood, dubious, so few farms meet the stringent soil requirements of 'organic' certification in the UK.
If she was climate conscious she would want more people to eat the cattle to reduce their population
If you rewatch the video, you'll realize that she says very clearly that the claims about lab meat being more sustainable are impossible to verify and that much better and vastly more sustainable alternatives (plant proteins) are already widely available
How about a couple of MRNA " Boosters" to go with the "Lab Grown Meat"
That's already included. Gates has said so
The meat you're eating now already is loaded with antibiotics and growth hormones.
How to demonstrate that you did badly at school, without openly saying it. Congrats.
@@ianmcsherry5254 I have 3 degrees and a masters. You?
@@MummaBearsure... And we all have 14 phds from trump university and six more from the twitter institute of real science 😂
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if it tastes like meat .. fine , but what does it do to your body , no one knows
nutritionally it will be very different from real meat i suppose, because the cows aren't eating grass (where the nutrients originate from). so they will be supplemented in to the lab grown meat?
I think the growth medium is what feeds it and that would be a balanced cocktail of necessary nutrients.
Cows aren’t eating grass. They are being fed corn. Look it up.
No, it goes against God and Christian beliefs. Vaccines and artificial chemicals like these are an abomination.
How do you know?
GRASS ! what planet you on?
Really interesting debate. Great video. 17:00 she makes a great point about the snacks on the table
No thank you definitely not for me 🤮
I'd rather live near the production of certified organic grass-fed beef, as We do, than near a bunch of 'meat' vats.
Amen to that
I think lab-meat is and always will be a gimmick because why would anyone who eats meat spend more money on something that isn't 'proper meat' and the meat industry will fight lab-meat tooth and nail. Many meat-eaters spend a lot of time talking about only eating grass-fed meat so I don't see them digging into lab grown meat that hasn't ever seen a blade of grass. People who are truly concerned about the environment, just go vegan. It's simple, easy, tasty, ethical and efficient. Why make things more complicated than they need to be?
Haloumi burgers are delicious! Many delicious options to killed meat. If meat is so delicious, why use sauces and spices? It's amazing how tasty natural flavours are.
It depends on the value preposition. If they can control the flavour more precisely, if they can make it healthier than traditional options and if they can eventually crack the economies of scale and get it cheaper...
Because we are going it becomes mainstream and therefore cheaper as production comes online.
Being picky about the provenance of your chosen meat only works if you can afford it. There are whole sections of budget supermarkets that could have many products switched, from reclaimed/reformed "meat product", to simple lab-grown. All things being equal, it could be more nutritious, tastier, and better for the environment.
they prepare for food shortage in war and such
I'd stop eating meat at all let alone eating artificial or fake meat.... but I'm in love with BBQ 😂
that's not a fake meat d*mb, that's a real meat derived from animal cells, go back to school 🤡
Excellent discussion.
Mincemeat
By the way, what happened to the lab grown milk?
Listen to the science, it is safe and effective !
How can u even call it meat? It's not even from an animal. Gross
0:55 world trade, farmers, contracts, food system ownership and financial national security?
I think it is great. Just think about the unnamable suffering it would eliminate. I myself might try it once, just because I am curious. I am unlikely to buy it a second time. Why bother? My life has become so much easier since I stopped using animal products so, the reduction of suffering is simply not a good incentive to ever go back to eating animal products, even if there is no more suffering involved and given that it is still rather bad for the environment doesn't help.
So, for me, it's better than 'real' meat, but just not an attractive product anyway.
and Australia are the top of the global meat-eating league with more than 120 kg consumed per capita
Absolutely welcome to have it then 😂
I want the delicacy ham from grown because you can possibly afford it more then.
Shrinking heads used to be tradition for some tribal people if I'm not mistaken. Tradition, superstition ...it usually all comes with a best before by sooner or later
Thanks for good programme.
What is the problem in Europe we have vega food ( problems come,s later ) do You now what,s in it ?
I will just become a vegetarian…. Or raise my own chickens. I don’t need meat, trust me they are prepping for dooms day
Okay😮
it should be banned.. look at what Monsanto has "achieved" with their monopoly
14%! what's the other 86%?
Ban this but not so much other crap ….
Money and fear...
Honest man, lovely!😁
ill eat it
What is she wearing on her head?
Chicken nuggets are heavily processed meat, not a high bar to set. You'd want to see something which is recognisable meat as lab grown.
Why aren't you talking with a CHEF ,who knows if these journalists are any good in the kitchen
I'm not eating any Lab grown food fuck that
We've found the person of reason.
I second that motion 🙋✅
They will feed it to you and probably already do, whether you want it or not. People will mix batches in their basement, and sell it as the real thing. Buy from a butcher or farmers you can trust.
Furthermore, 14% effect on the environment that’s pretty low for the potential harm to humans through this lab grown meat cut back in other areas of improving the environment and make up the 14% plus leave well enough alone and keep the traditional meat.
Knowing that ultra processed food products are the cause of almost all chronic diseases, I would first like to find out the constitution of this product. That said, I would not totally object to having alternative foods, even from a lab, to feed the general population, as long as there is enough disclosure on side effects, both immediate and long term, if any. Also, I believe there isn't enough sampling to see what an excess of this food does to the body (simply because there isn't that much made).
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hm, i spent time writing comments word by word, but they are gone. no profanity, no timestamps, no ads - what was wrong? that i said i don't eat lab-grown products mislabeled as meat?
so, censorship?
If plant-based meat products are cheaper and better, I'll eat more of it. It makes much more sense than lab-grown meat, I hope it would improve over the years, it's good now, but still could have been better.
is it a tumor?!
If some bureaucrat changes the definition of food to include poop, will you eat it?
It strikes me as a sign of a primitive society, to rely on the cruel exploitation of other mammals etc for its food.
Bullshit
@@Thelostgoldhunters is that what you eat?
@@angelinasouren primitive means more natural and healthy. They're adding all kinds of unnatural crap to our foods that are destroying our health. Our paleolithic ancestors who were hunter gatherers ate from the natural world and didn't have to eat toxic rubbish like corn starch, glucose-fructose syrup and other things. Who's to say they won't just add unnatural processed crap to lab grown meat too? The sensible thing would be to limit our meat consumption to no more than 3 times a week and to make sure that farmed animals are always free range and treat humanely while alive instead of being subjected to awful living conditions. Sadly different people react differently to different diets. Take it from me I've recently introduced fish and meat back into my diet after 7/8 years vegetarian because of health issues but I don't consume it every day.
Costs will come down in the future but what will be the impact of farmers and industry who are voters ; will their opposition to lab meat consign it to limbo ?
The old vs new that some question, has been long been answered and demonstrated, where for the vast majority, new tech creates new and better jobs for those in industry change.