You just don't like having to face an uncomfortable reality. Reasonable suspicion is not paranoia. What did the World Economic Forum mean when they said "by 2030 you'll own nothing and you'll be happy"?
@@derp8575 The shadowy organization attended by powerful people with a sinister agenda? Yeah, it's just the illuminati all over again. History repeats. I'll admit their transparency maybe adds a little more credibility, but they're about as influential as the masons. A real consideration; a politician with regular involvement is a red flag, but ultimately their influence is hugely overblown by the conspiracy nuts. It's an over glorified lobbying group.
@@derp8575 Actually looking into the "by 2030 you'll own nothing and you'll be happy" you're also taking it out of context :/ Seriously, look into these things before you start making your accusations. The phrase was coined by a single member, Danish politician Ida Auken, who was writing about a dystopian future where everything was "owned" through a subscription. It was a criticism of economic shifts to product-as-a-service solutions. So not a statement by the WEF as a whole. Not a goal, but rather a criticism of worrying economic trends. But someone probably told you the WEF wanted to eliminate private ownership and you ate it up without a second thought. Thinking with a combative mindset is not the same as thinking critically. Critical thinking requires more than lazily getting your information from a counter-culture source without verifying it yourself.
Let me guess, you clicked the first Google search result to get that information? What did Klaus Schwab mean when he said "what we are proud of is that we penetrate the cabinets"? @@johnyliltoe
The first computer cost $400,000 ($6.2M in today's money). The first cultivated hamburger cost $330,000 ($430k in today's money). Right now, cultured meat is where computers were in the 1970's; expensive, large, inefficient. Hopefully, we're right on the doorstep of hitting the cultured-meat equivalent of the personal computer revolution of the 1980's.
Hey, that's me! We've been huge fans of each other for years. It was treat to have our careers bump into each other like this. I am so proud of him for his work, and it never hurts to be able to speak eye to eye with another scientist!
@@ProtiumPower in short, yes, all possible. We're working on a wide range of products. Ideally, it's familiar favorites. We want folks to eat stuff they know and love.
@@ProtiumPower and all are grown in similar ways. Most cells have a lower efficiency limit, so cells like beef see larger efficiency gains when cultivated.
The only thing that is keeping me from trying this is that I don't have access to it yet. Once cost and energy efficiency are figured out I would change to lab grown meat in a heartbeat.
@@morejoy5188 There is plenty of moral justification. Whether you eat plants only or eat meat you take part in the killing of thousands of animals and insects. If you don't know that you should educate yourself on your life choice more.
@@morejoy5188 Their comment was about switching to cloned meat from the perspective of a meat eater. But being aggressive to a stranger is not likely to change their mind about the morality of eating meat.
@@itsdarke1054 That's wrong sorry, for one their is a line tween certain types of insects and animals, and the rest that do not have consciousness, which would make their impact irrelevant. Secondly by eating meat you directly contribute to the deaths of animals, but it's important to note that the point is not only single person impact on this global industry, but to make societal changes through the government to stop the needless suffering and death of animals. Thirdly your comments only merit is that you do take part in killing animals by being vegan, so you're right about that, because farming does accidentally kill animals, so you can only gauge the impact that you would be having supporting certain farming industries, compared to directly eating an animal. But this is why it's so important that the point is to make societal impacts that don't make animal deaths during farming an issue, and severely take down the meat and dairy industry as it exists today.
Man, you missed a trick on that taste test. The proper response was "hmm, taste like chicken"🐣 Also, I'm actually more surprised when people are surprised that it tastes like chicken. This is the kind of thing that I thought we had been working on for a lot longer. The idea of growing replacement body parts isn't all that new, and muscle is probably one of the easier things to grow in a lab (as compared to something like heart valves). Now they just need to get a well marbled wagyu steak figured out!
While the premise is sound, the tons of added salts and sugers required will just continue to slowly kill the population and anchor them to pharma companies. Removing industrial farming is the key.
@@PC-tc5je veganism is a first world problem...that said, we absolutely need things that can only be naturally procured via meat consumption, otherwise you have to take supplements which is usually made from meat products... it's unhealthy to eat nothing but fungus and veggies, seen it too many times. You'd be better off eating those bugs than just vegetables and fungus. If you hate what they do to animals, eat bugs. Meal worms are quite nutritious and easy to farm but lab grown meat is actually whatever animal you sourced from so far less disgusting for the average weirdo in the modern world, including me. I've eaten my share of bugs, worms, pupi, fungus and wild plants but after many years of living off grid and being homeless I can't do a non-meat diet, literally makes me sick. I almost died after two years of attempting to be vegan, don't fall for the first world problems crew.
Right now, this is very energy dense, because it's early days. But the potential of this is incredible; if this is able to be scaled, it will be a total game-changer.
And as the technology matures, I could see "mico-breweries" but for meat springing up. A restaurant might tout that all their chicken products are grown in house and locals might flock (pun intended) to that restaurant due to their amazing home grown meat. You could even have home town rivalries. One town insists that Joe's Diner grows the best chicken for their sandwiches while a neighboring town swears by Hank's Chicken Hut. And, of course, both would have less environmental impact than if they had shipped in farm grown meat. Farm grown meat would likely stay around, but it would be more of a niche product and the animals would have better lives since they wouldn't need to be stuffed in factory farms.
I'd love for that to be true, but we unfortunately have good reason to believe otherwise. Cell growth medium is expensive to produce in terms of CO2 emissions [1]. Production of economical growth media dates back to work by Harry Eagle in 1955. It is not a new technology. Biotechnology is a big industry and this component can reasonably be called mature. Evolution had half a billion years to perfect growing animal bodies, including the yummy parts. There's no justification for assuming we can do better in a vat. We're sure to encounter the design challenges nature has already solved using some of those less yummy parts like lungs, feathers, intestines, beaks, etc. [1] 10.1101/2023.04.21.537778
Honestly, the whole "it will never catch on, it's too complicated / inefficient" routine has been done for just about everything innovative, and it's always been proven wrong. At the rate technology is improving thes days, I've seen it happen quite a few times in my lifetime alone. The the world is so radically different from what I remember as a kid, and technologies that used to be expensive, energy-guzzling and impractical have become so common place and relatively cheap, that I have few doubts this, too, can become viable ten or fifteen years from now. The only obstacle is the defeatist attitude that will prevent this technology from being adequately funded and researched untill it becomes necessary, like, yesterday. Let's not kid ourselves: most of the "no can do" blabbing is born out of lobbying from industries that have much to lose from the upcoming (and inevitable) change.
Not wanting to know how that meat got to our table* That hit home, every time I watch these documentaries I become more conscious, from shopping to cooking to eating. Only thing is, as a poor struggling family (me and dad) it's just not feasible to go meatless, it's cheap in comparison. Hopefully that will change within my lifetime.
It depends. I'm self employed so I only paid myself £6k last year, most of which went on rent for my house share. I'm vegan and I managed to do it - just found out what times your local supermarkets reduce their products and get the reduced vegan options that no one else buys, that's what I do 😂 also, Oxford proved that a whole food vegan diet is cheaper than vegetarian or omnivorous diets, so either way, cost isn't really an issue regardless of income. Vegan substitutes at full price are the only way a vegan diet can be more expensive, and that's only because they aren't given government subsidies in the way animal products are.
Beans, lentils, potatoes, grains are cheap as heck and they're the staple foods of some of the poorest countries on earth. Typically the richer nations are the more meat-consuming ones. Eating meat-free isn't as out of the range of your budget as you think. It may just cost you time to learn new recipes.
Having been in a similar situation, eating a plant-based diet can be tragically less expensive and higher quality. The price of that for us was developing better cooking skills.
I'm on benefits & my family eats so much better for way less after going plant based. I've saved a fortune on pain killers too. My inflammation went down in my dodgy knees after going vegan. It's amazing!
Vegan alternatives are usually cheaper that animal products. Almost all animal products, dairy and eggs are subsidies - so they are kept artificially low thanks to taxes.
🐣 I'm very excited about this. I'm autistic with sensory issues, so there are a LOT of foods I can't eat. Ethically, morally, I'd like to be vegan, but since my diet is so restricted, I wouldn't be able to get by without eating meat. I'm so excited that there are alternatives finally coming to market that actually taste good.
I don't believe the majority of people who say they are autistic. I think it's more likely that they never grew out of their childish 'picky' food choices and their parents affirmed it. Then they grow up and believe that their picky choices are an illness. I believe most 'autistic' people just need their ass kicked and to be properly parented. 'Sensory issues'...lol
farm fresh vegetables and fruits from a local farmer is good! I've been feeling a lot better with these. I have a low spectrum as well. A2 milk is good too. Yerba mate is healthy too, from the mate factor. It has more antioxidants than green tea and has vitamins and minerals in it.
I’m an environmental engineer and sign me up! My table is waiting so as soon as can, I would. I’ve been vegetarian for 17 years so it might be a one and done for me, but it would provide a good option for meat eaters and the rest of the planet. A healthy planet needs this!
As a biologist, I frequently see reporting on the hype of "lab grown meat" biased towards the "magic solutions" it will solve, and supposed (claimed) advantages without a proper understanding of the biology of what lab grown meat is trying to achieve. Therefore, there is no rigorous explanation of how they will magically solve these problems "15 years from now, 20 years from now", because currently there are no viable solutions, and they are banking on technology that has not been invented yet (hoping they would be the ones to invent it, patent it and make a boat load of cash). Unfortunately, this video falls into that category. Here's a few major things this video missed. The two main important things to consider in this lab process is supplying nutrients, and removing waste. These cells are cultured in large vats called bioreactors. These reactors attempt to mimic the "body" the cells live in, but the main difference is that they are trying to mimic a process that has evolved over millions of years in nature. Circulatory systems, kidneys, liver, immune systems, none of these processes of which can be replicated to any significant degree in the lab with current or near term technology. These along with the "unused" (this I'll get to) "wasted" parts all contribute to the function of the organism. Unfortunately lab processes can not achieve the same level of complexity and efficiency of the animals themselves, who have existed under selective pressures that have resulted in them becoming the most biologically efficient version of themselves. Humans have managed to improve upon this through selective breeding, and now accelerated through genetic modification, and this is likely the most pragmatic approach for the future of food security. The niche role lab grown meat will fill is growing meat of extinct species, like mammoths for example, for the rich that want to say they ate lab grown mammoth meat etc etc. This is simply marketing for venture capitalists looking for unicorns to throw money at like everything in the tech business, and not biology, and unfortunately I feel like this video does not make a good distinction between that. EDIT: I never got to the "wasted" products. What about things like leather, feathers for pillows etc? I can make a whole separate essay about the intricacies of the meat industry but basically, there are ALOT of things other than meat that come from a chicken or cow that are used. I won't speak for the US, but anything useful that is wasted is money gone in the rest of the world, and in fact a lot of problems associated with the meat industry, such as cruelty and overcrowding, stems from intensive hyper efficiency to reduce waste and cost. I should also mention that speed of growth does not translate to overall yield. The time and energy investment into a chicken has a far greater overall yield than compared to the same amount of time in for lab grown meat.
Thanks mate, those are important points that most people haven’t considered yet, particularly those of us who aren’t biologists and haven’t heard of lab grown meat until 16 minutes ago. Perhaps people assume that nutrient quality/density is part and parcel with lab grown meat but it turns out it’s way more complicated. Would that likely be the first corner that gets cut if this industry gets off the ground? You should’ve being presenting that video instead of that guy. You seem way more balanced in terms of the pros and cons, not to mention the actual challenges that lay ahead
@@CursedWheelieBin That won't be an area that could be cut. The nutrient has to be perfect, every time, with 0 contaminants, otherwise the entire batch will fail, because the cells don't have an immune system or any means to fend off contamination. It can't be grown in antibiotics if they intend for human consumption. There is a HUGE amount of money poured into developing growth media, and sometimes contaminants still find their way in, and ruin entire batches (I know this from experience). The level of difficulty in preventing contamination is definitely a major issue in this field, and scaling it up like this just makes it exponentially more difficult. The amount of equipment, time, and energy poured into preventing contamination in that facility must be massive. They didn't go into the specifics of what growth nutrients they used, but a lot of the time they are derived from animal products then purified and standardized in a lab (which is why it is so expensive), like bovine serum, so doesn't that defeat the purpose? Is it not easier to just genetically modify a better grain, and feed that to the chicken? There's a reason why chicken costs as much as it does...
Even if lab grown meat takes off, I doubt it will completely kill actual livestock farms. leather and gelatin will still be around, both of which also have plant-based alternatives. We can already produce reagent antibodies and culture white cells. Wonder if they could simulate any sort of immune system to combat the contamination problem.
🐣 I didn't expect that they would have the grain and form down yet because up to this point I had only seen "ground meat" forms. This is so exciting! Honestly, over the past couple of days I've seen some things that give me hope, and this is one of them. Thanks Joe!
why not just eat chicken.. you know this is never going to be equivalent to the nutritional value of a pasture raised chicken, right ? This will be basic, cheap as they can make it, claim it's healthy but stirred with GMP chemical BS for profits.
this is specifically chicken. stem cell research seems to be able to produce living muscle fibres that function and can be conditioned. obviously there can be no tone without autonomic or somatic innervation, but as long as the muscle thinks that it is in an organism, it will organise itself correctly. this is how we grow working hearts for transplant recipients. the lab grown heart has to pump blood the same way as the original heart does right? 😂 if they figure out the bone thing, they might be able to grow entire cuts. im more interested to see how they do non-lean meats. fat cells are a different beast altogether.
Human population is constantly growing and the old methods of producing energy for all of us stop being enough. We constantly have to make our energy production more efficient if we are going to feed all the people. Go science.
It cannot come soon enough for humanity to dig itself out of the massive unethical hole that is animal agriculture and gain the bonus of environmental balance while doing so. Not that eating animals and their secretions in most cases, could just be stopped right now. If society survives it needs to be an ethical society as well as sustainable.
🐣 As a vet student I had to visit a cattle slaughterhouse to learn about reproduction. It was very enlightening. The production chain was very efficient. We each had the option to try and kill an animal. It was very visceral and brutal and bloody even though it was according to standard procedure. It made me very aware of where my meat comes from. I think that everyone should be educated on this, to be able to form a truly informed opinion.
That's about right. I wonder how many would still insist with the "standard" procedure once the cultivated meat will cost as much as if not less than dead animals
hunting does this also, only the animal has every option to escape. And of course assuming you do it ethically (game laws are geared toward forcing people to do that but there are always bad ones out there). As I've gotten older it's more difficult to get out there and hunt and I've always wanted to have a hobby farm and couldn't and our city doesn't allow us to even keep a couple of chickens for eggs. So I'm stuck with whatever is at the store or local farmers markets or whatever. It's very frustrating to me how our society is geared toward avoiding these realities so that we take meat and animal husbandry in general for granted. (just look at how terribly and ignorantly some people treat their own pets)
I'm from Pakistan where we see a lot of our meat being butchered and get it from local butcheries. I have been seeing how animals get killed abd skinned and made into meat for a long time
They should have blind tested you to see if you could pick out natural chicken vs theirs. Also it would have been nice to know how much the chicken you ate cost them to make. That was probably like a $300 chicken sandwich 😂
They said near the end that with current technology, it costs $21 per kg to produce cultivated meat (as opposed to $10 per kg for the real thing). And while the majority of people can't afford to spend twice the money on the same weight/volume of meat they eat in a week, that price is still well within the reach of those who prefer to go to the more upmarket supermarkets (like Waitrose and M&S in the UK). For those who can't afford to swap over to cultivated meats, but want to be more cruelty-free, at least some are going to try them now and again or cut back on the real meat so they can afford a little cultivated instead. For those like me, who have tried veganism, but have other food intolerances, which made it necessary to back off a bit and resort to vegetarianism instead - cultivated meat is a way forward. Vegan meat alternatives often aren't that cheap either, and I don't think it's that big a step to pay a little more for cultivated meats.
@@debbiehenri345 sorry to correct you, but they said that cultivated meat can cost anything from $21-$236/kg. Of course, this will get cheaper over time, but I'm sure only very few could afford meat in the upper portion of that price range
@@debbiehenri345 problem is, vegan meat alternatives already aren't selling well and seem to already hit their ceiling. Introducing a more expensive vegan meat alternative doesn't look like something that can break that ceiling. It needs to be cheaper than regular meat so that people who eat meat would buy it instead of meat, while they are trying to sell meat to people who don't like buying meat
@@NJ-wb1cz sure, but you gotta consider that this is a rather small factory where they had to figure things out first. I hope that we'll see growing production capacities and thus falling prices in the next five or so years
today i learned that being smart means watching the news 1:10 being smart is being a control freak 4:50 being smart is restricting and prohibiting farts and burps because they contribute to our death and demise 4:20 being smart is entering a lab while one wears a mask and the other people don't 9:20 being smart is enforcing being smart if we dont do as they say 12:38 being smart is not knowing if this is the answer to these problems 13:48 being smart is not knowing if this is the answer to these problems 14:08 but god damn it feels good 14:11 be smart guys
I might not agree with all statements in this video, but I love how the arguments are well presented. Thank you for illustrating how conventional meat production can waste many resources.
@@Subliminalsapperit's a 15 minute video they shot on site. Obviously they would love to dive into that, but that wasn't the intention for this video. This more like a PSA, showing off where lab grown meat is at. You can expect many more videos from them about this subject breaking it down further.
Their illustration of how conventional meat production can waste many resources was misleading. For example, 86% of cattle feed is a mixture of forages and byproducts such as almond hulls, distiller grains, and soybean meal that humans cannot consume. Those are calories that can be upcycled into meat. That's not waste.
We grow massive amounts of feed, refine it and give it to animals, and occasionally we give them waste. It's well established that if we all adopted a 100% plant-based diet we would reduce our farmland by 75%. We could reforest as much land as North and South America. Source: Our World in Data
@@WeissM89 This is a myth based on the false assumption that it's possible to swap pasture for cropland, acre per acre. In many parts of the world, pasture is nearly identical with land unsuited for growing crops. Especially in developing nations, pasture requires less human labor per calorie of food. But yes, we grow massive amounts of feed. I'm all for reducing factory farming. That's beside the point. This video did a poor job conveying the truth. They let industry write the script and it's filled with industry-sponsored lies. Their illustration of how conventional meat production can waste resources was misleading for this reason.
@@Pangolin-Mandolin why are you comparing an assaulter to a person who is trying something ethical and good for the environment sustainably. Will you also compare Steve Jobs with hitler just because both had cult following?
I know, right? It seems like he's genuinely super interested in all aspects of his company and all of the scientific and societal implications. He knows how freaking cool this is, but doesn't lose sight of how difficult it is to 'fool' something so precise as the human senses.
I will be first in line to eat this chicken-meat. Bring it on! I was raised on a farm in 1940s, watched my mother chop chickens' heads off w/ hatchet. Yes, the decapitated bodies do briefly "run around like chickens with their heads cut off". Then comes plucking feathers.. and you can imagine the rest. I don't have PTSD from the experience but will think back when I see chicken pieces/parts on my plate.
Can you PLEASE PLEASE Pl..EASE make a video on how cement was made and developed. I'm a civil engineering student who LOVES your way of explaining things here and I really want to know the cement story in your style. I BEG YOU. just once, please consider this and make a video on it I would be soooooooooo grateful!
🐣It does feel strange to think that we could cultivate meat from a lab rather then an actual animal. But I would happily eat lab grown meat as long as it is cost friendly, environmentally friendly, and it resemble meat that I know in every way.
@@johnbarry5036 Impossible Food/Beyond Meat started out with those prices, coming out of the labs. And now they have competitive prices with real meat. Same with any other commodity. Once they can scale it, then it will be cheaper and more available to everyone, bringing down the prices.
@@johnbarry5036 You paid $10,000 for your current cell phone, right? That's what they originally cost when they came out, so obviously nothing ever gets cheaper as the technology develops 🙄
@johnbarry5036 Cost Curves exist. Look at RethinkXs research. They hold that animal ag will be bankrupted by this tech by 2040 due to its lower costs. Dairy could be bankrupt this decade.
I am worried that corporations will see good marketing potential in it and completely ruin it. There's a hope to get it not only safely, but also try to make it as healthy as possible, but if megacorporations touch them, it will be ruined.
''megacorporations'', who do you think is sponsoring these factories and scientific efforts? You can bet megacorporations and other interest structures are involved in this development. Are they trustworthy in their endeavors and are their motivations virtuous? These are the essential questions.
While I do agree the conditions of animals being farmed for meat need VAST improvement, real meat is absolutely still needed, and I will never put lab meat in my body, no matter how close it is to the real thing.
At what point is someone vegan because genetically this would be an animal byproduct? The only difference is we took animal cells and forced them to multiple in a petri tank. Even if this were a thing, there will be questionable ethics questions on how the stem cells are taken to grow these synthetic meats.
@@janisjunkie69Probably joking, and if they aren’t, they’re wrong 💀 This is literally growing tissues as they grow anyways, so no duh it would be exactly the same with no different effects
If they can get cultivated meat to a price point that's cheaper than regular meat, then psychological barriers to entry don't matter as much, most people will slowly transition to it even if it takes a while.
All metabolic diseases have the same things in common: cardiovascular disease, malnutrition, and insulin resistance. If they say that this lab meat does not require the expensive nutrients that are required for farmed meat, then one might wonder if this meat is void of those nutrients. Not sure why you all in the comments are excited about that for the future. And furthermore, if meat is supposed to cause cancer then why would we want lab grown meat?
🐣 As a meat-eater I can't wait for sustainable, affordable cultivated meat! I am very much looking forward to it! I'm also happy the meat substitutes are getting better and better and more affordable nowadays.
If the substitutes are getting better, then why not just switch to those? Then you don't have to abuse any animals..... I used to run a BBQ but now enjoy my food more being vegan
I'm glad to hear they figured out how to grow the more complete meat. I remember a few years ago they were growing pure muscle and it was reported to taste horrible because it was missing so much of the other stuff in meat. Also... 🐤
It didn't taste horrible. It was immensely bland. Like sticking your tongue out of the window. The delicious flavor of meat doesn't come from the pure muscle-protein alone, but from the fat, meat-juice, myoglobin, colagen etc.
@@lakrids-pibe Have you tasted it? Are you making the claim that this company's produce doesn't contain fat, meat-juice, myoglobin, or collagen in the same proportion as chicken breast? How do you know that?
You still need plant based proteins to make the cultured meat. There is currently a limit on the pulses production 92.13 Mt per year. So first you will have to culture such plant proteins or pulses to make your meat culture successful and cheaper!
🐣 I'm vegan and don't miss meat, so I don't care for it for myself, but I applaud the effort. I would even give it a try. But I would want to know more about how it compares nutritionally and how it will affect our health long term before I added it as a frequent part of my diet. Also, speaking more broadly about lab-created food (I've read about this being done for cheese too) I'm concerned about how it affects people with food allergies, and I haven't seen that addressed yet.
It's basically sterilized meat. So... if you don't get sick from eating meat, then this meat is even less likely to harm you if the process is done well. Animals get a lot of stuff fed to them including antibiotics, pesticides, herbicides, that sort of stuff. During packing other stuff can be included like dust, pollen, etc. Lab grown meat in well controlled process won't have any of that. So, unless you're allergic to the meat itself, I don't see what you'd have a reaction to in a lab grown meat.
Culture's taken from actual chickens, so if you're allergic to chicken, it's still chicken, and you'll still be allergic. (if I understood the concern)
@@chocolatefrenzieya The culture, yes. Then it's a question of what each given person is allergic to on a chicken. If it's specifically the meat cells or maybe some protein in the meat than they're screwed. But if they're allergic to chicken for some other reason and can't eat the meat due to cross contamination during the separation process, then they should be fine. I would also guess that in time scientists will likely work out some special genetic adjustment to the sample (similar to what they've done to cats) to just remove the allergen which should open the meat experience to everyone.
This technology promise to fix most of our world problems. Ecological disasters, water consumption, food poisoning, food distribution to everyone, everything... We must invest in such technology.
@@MrPolandballIf you make it this way Soylent Green actually can be ppl. Imagine the “Meat’s back on the menus boys!” Burger. With the add campaign, “People, the other, other white meat” 🥩
I'm really excited about this. I have cut back a lot on meat since leaning about the cruelty of meat farming industry, so I'm just looking forward to be able to enjoy meat again guilt free!
It won't necessarily be healthier as that would change things like taste and mouth feel - but a goal, perhaps the primary goal is environmental - and THAT and that we don't have to kill for this is why I'm so excited for this technology. It pains me that I won't get to live in a world where this is normal and the idea of killing something just to eat it becomes barbaric.
@@MrPolandballStill better than eating pesticide and antibiotic in farming. Beside i believe that every food nowadays have carcinogen element, even hot sauce has carcinogen ingredient in it, the thing is that they're small in quantity so our liver can handle it thus they don't powerful enough to penetrate our defense. I believe this is more of people afraid to try new thing than normal meat is safer than synthetic meat because both have up and down.
@@pw3858I don't that is what he was saying at all. Humans don't eat in the same way as wild carnivores do, we farm. I think Ross wants the way we farm changed. In the wild, there is a natural barrier to carnivores becoming too successful, scarcity of food. If they hunt their prey too much, there's less to go around, so the carnivores starve and thin in numbers, giving the prey time to repopulate, and the cycle repeats. Humans effectively broke that cycle through agriculture.
I would completely switch to cultivated meat. Once cm manufacturing has gotten greener and cleaner it’s a no brainer. For the environment, people and, also importantly, animals.
🐣When Beyond Meat hit the shelves I eagerly awaited when it would be available near me and purchased it as soon as I could. When companies started making cow-free dairy I scoured my local stores to find a 1/2 pint of ice cream made with it. Currently cultured meat is a little too pricey for me to afford regularly addint it to me diet. But as long as it's closer to the $20 mark versus the several hundred dollar mark mentioned in the video I will not only be happy to try it when it's offered, I'll track it down and buy some as soon as it gets within a 1/2 hour drive of my house.
Normally, I really am an optimist. But do I think that I, at 35, will life to see this become affordable? It's really hard to tell. Much progress has been made in terms of taste, I give you that. But how much progress has been made in terms of scalability? I mean, just consider the level of education the staff needs to have. It's not exactly your everyday farmhand. I really want to, but I simply can't see this tech becoming anything but prohibitively expensive anytime soon.
🐣 I would love to make the switch! We've been teetering on the edge of going meat free based on ethics. I think this avenue would make it an easier change. It would have to be affordable though.
I think that the more people stop buying meat from farms the more incentive there will be to make lab grown meats. If you don't mind me asking, what is stopping you from going meat free?
Easiest thing you'll ever do if you genuinely care about the ethics. Just go vegan, worry about missing meat later. (Spoiler: you won't miss any foods if you're vegan for the animals)
@@kasroa agreed, before going vegan I thought it was the hardest thing. But it really wasn't, some research was needed to find out what to replace the animal foods with but after that it was fine. There's also very good mock meats you can eat once in a while if you ever do get cravings
Yep. I am a guilty meat eater who prefers not to think about how my meat is made. This is huge and as soon as it comes on the market in Australia I will be buying it, and for the first time eating meat guilt free.
What about the animals that predators always eat? Shouldnt we be making lab grown meat for predators too so they stop killing and eating other animals? I mean they’re meat eaters too and kill their prey cruelly and slowly sometimes, those cruel meat eaters better be stopped
@@Yeahitsgoodtobefree What about arsonist? Why are we bothering trying to stop them? After all there's always something that will end up starting a fire, why should we bother trying to prevent them then? See the problem with "what about" rethoric is that it's easy to say whatever you want without adressing the core issue.
While I do believe that the average American should lessen their meat intake for health and the environment, I do think cultivated meat will play a significant part still 🐣
@@Dragoboi1998 from my understanding from this video, they need an original sample that they said is the "size of a grain of rice" and then can continue to grow tissue from those first few cell lines (fat cells, muscle cells, etc). A sample the size of a grain of rice doesn't really hurt or kill an animal
I do enjoy a burger or a barbecue every so often. That said, my main issue with lots of meat alternatives is that they're all trying to taste like meat. I actually like the taste of many vegetables: mushroom burgers, roasted greens, spinach. I enjoy them because they're not trying to taste like something else and failing. So this is a good idea for those that really like meat but have ethical concerns about eating animals. In its current state it does not address greenhouse gases but who knows, maybe when the tech is mature it will be better. 🐣
They try to taste like meat because there is a lot of demand for that, usually people who go vegan still liked the taste of meat, they stopped eating it for ethical or environmental concerns, but most of us still like the taste of it and would gladly eat it if it didn't have these problems.
they say real meat costs a LOT to produce , yet a bag of 20 sausages here costs like £1.50 thats 50% pork ,yet a 4 pack of vegan sausages costs £4 .. do the math, vegan brands are a rip off , this marketing is why we laugh
One that surprised me last week was 'beetroot burgers.' As a vegetable on its own, I'm not that keen on beetroot, and my son doesn't like it at all. But we both like what one brand (UK) did with beetroot burgers, without trying to make them into a 'meat taste/texture' alternative. All they did was take the right spices and grains to make this vegetable much, much more palatable. Mushroom burgers! You have to be there when they put these on the shelves in our local supermarket, because people love them and stock up when they see them. Again, they don't taste meaty, they just taste like high quality mushrooms.
No, chickens “don’t swim”. That’s some hardball reporting right there. Has humanity EVER created anything in the laboratory that we didn’t later regret? And who came up with the standard that animals should require one calorie in and one calorie out? Isn’t that a perpetual motion fantasy? Furthermore, don’t forget the mini thousands upon thousands of other products we use daily that are totally dependent on livestock we consume in this country. It ain’t like they slaughter a cow and only take the meat and the rest gets buried in a landfill, every single ounce of that cow was used. I have a strong suspicion that this will end up like wind, power, solar, power, corn, ethanol, etc.… and every single case the final cost benefit analysis gives us a net negative. And I would suggest anyone who truly finds this interesting, do a little research and find out what the “substrata“ is that they grow lab grown meat upon. However, since Bill Gates and Communist China are now majority farm landowners in America, and buying them at a break- neck pace, where we get our meat may be the least of our concern, if we can’t even obtain a loaf of bread. And I am eating your goddamn bugs either!
That "one calorie in, one calorie out" was labeled as an _ideal_ scenario & they made a point of saying that's not actually how it works in the video. It's more like 50 to 100 calories in, 1 calorie out. BTW, for the rest of your comment, your tin-foil hat is showing. Not a good fashion choice.
I'm all in and can't wait. Wife's screaming "NO WAY, EVER!" like her hair is on fire. Keep in mind, it's so expensive and energy dense, because they're more focused on getting everything as perfect as possible, and all that new equipment that had to engineered needs to be paid for. But, I firmly believe the energy density and production cost will reduce significantly when it becomes mainstream (and it will have to). VCR's were $2,000 and movies cost, on average, $200 back in the early 80's. In 2003, I bought one for $19 at Walmart, and it came with two free movies. Just one of the lessons. 🐣 p.s. Where's the beef! 😁
Don't forget to do your own research! As much as I love Be Smart, you can't take everything at face value. It's always good to find other perspectives on a topic, so here's a video on just that: th-cam.com/video/myX1uav1Kxk/w-d-xo.html Don't stop there though! There's tons of information out there and it's great to keep searching and make your own well-informed conclusion on things!
🐣 I’ve been on the Upside Foods mailing list for years now and I was so thrilled to see they got their FDA approval a few days ago. Here’s hoping the technology will bring lots of new people to the table, reduce suffering for billions of animals, and improve ecological conditions for us all … bon appetit!
Sustainability is the key, and this is not the answer. It just eliminates the cruelty. The real answer is plant based and mushroom growing, also for those that want to eat some real animal protein it would have to be plastic eating worms. Another key factor to fight the plastic waste 🐣🥬
🐣 As a vegetarian, I would go for cultivated meat as soon as it hits the shelves. I miss a lot of meat product I used to consume and it truly is a big part of our culture. It's simply a shame we can't yet farm animals properly. Looking forward to the future❤
@samueldavid861 so you're not vegetarian? Vegetarians dont eat any meat...this is the ridiculous comment 😂😂😂 Its that meme...I'm a virgin who has sex 2-3 times a year 😅😅
If they find ways to make this process more affordable and sustainably stable, I'm 100% on board. Plant-based meats are already getting better and better at tasting delicious, even if it isn't a perfect imitation of real meat. But an actual way to create the exact meat we eat regularly without the animal part of the equation involved? Super cool.
I ran a BBQ for a decade and now am vegan and don't miss meat in the slightest. The vegan options are absolutely that good! You can even make STEAK using lions mane mushrooms and it's got the same texture and better taste
I love what Uma Valeti said about meat at 11:16. There is something about yummy food, and meat in particular, that triggers something magical in our brains. Its like hearing your favorite song for the first time or finally finding a painting that just speaks to you. Its special, its observable but not quantifiable. It truly is art.
Definitely worth a try. Attracted to concept and potential benefits Can this meat be considered ultra processed? Reaction & actions of vested interests a concern
Worth a try for sure. Yet they are lying about some of those numbers. They don't factor in the fact feedstock is made of a lot of the plant byproduct we don't eat. Think it is like 86% of all feed is byproduct. Ruminates especially are great at that. Also nearly all of livestock byproduct is used. We don't just cut the good meat out, and toss the rest. Anyway if their product tastes as good, for cheaper I will buy it. I'm super curious on the nutrient content. Yet lying with misleading statistics pisses me off to no end. I think they should have gone for steak products. Since beef is more expensive then chicken, and being able to sell some steak patty thing that taste like prime A for cheap would be awesome.
I remember a few years ago someone made a burger with lab grown beef. If I remember correctly the people who tried it didn't like it because it was all lean meat and had no fat.
How lean you like your meat is at best a taste preference, but yes it would be good to simulate different varieties. Chicken is a little easier as we don't usually eat the chicken fat anyway, but fat cells can presumably be grown just as easy as any other cells they just need to get the mixture right. The bigger question is whether they'll be able to get the fat cells to be in the "right" spots to create the marbling effect. Having fat and muscle mixed together randomly would (I suspect) have the texture of goop. Might be good enough for ground beef but you won't get a very good steak that way. But hey this is all new technology. There's any number of things they can do to improve it both in terms of price and taste/texture. To get around the mixing problem (assuming it can't just be grown that way) they could maybe look into 3D printing for example - have a vat of regular tissue and a vat of fat tissue and just print it out in the shape of a T-bone or whatever.
🐣 I am so ready for this. Been an on-and-off vegan; the taste and cravings for meat, simply keep getting me to come back to eating meat. Taking the animal out of the equation, dude, I would be on this in a heartbeat.
I had already decided to never eat meat again for ethical reasons, but this got me excited too. It does make me a bit sad to see people who are on board with the ethical argument to go back to eating meat for taste though. Is the craving for meat so bad that you think it's worth harming and killing animals? (This is not an attack btw! I get cravings too and just buy a plant based meat that is close enough, im just genuinely curious to see if u think taste is worth more than their lives?)
@@allandm It doesn't even occur to me honestly. I know I'm not alone in this because I've talked to other people who eat meat on a regular basis; meat is just such a commodity, packed, prepared and available so that even though there are other options like Halloumi and vegetable based protein, it's honestly just that convenient to eat meat. Personally, I grew up around rural areas and only later in life did I find a deeper respect for farm-animals- but this aside, the industry around meat-eating is simply so prevalent that it's way too easy to get tempted to eat meat, damn the consequences.
@@larscarlquist9968 yeah I understand that, its easy not think about the animals that suffer when we get meat in a nice package. Would you buy dog meat if it was in a nice package?
@@allandm Well, judging by my disinterest in trying out other exotic meats when they're on the menu; probably not. Though if I was somewhere, where it was socially acceptable to eat dogs and where the marketing is as aggressive as let's say, the latest meal deals from McD... I wouldn't be so sure. I would probably give it a try.
@@larscarlquist9968 interesting, (i know this is extreme, just trying to see where you draw the line) in a hypothetical scenario where it's legal to eat other humans who have been bred for consumption, would you do it? If not, then what is the morally relevant difference between humans and other animals that makes it okay to kill one for taste but not the other? To me what gives live value is sentience, the ability to experience the world, to feel pleasure and pain. And we share these characteristics with other animals
Perhaps this was answered in the video and I just missed it, but would you be able to eat lab-grown chicken without the risk of salmonella? Since it doesn't come from a real chicken
No, there would be a reduced risk, but salmonella isn't exclusive to farm or processing. The meat can be contaminated at any stage of the supply chain, including your kitchen. Treat it exactly the same as you would treat normal chicken.
Seems like all the money the governments around the world give to farmers should be going to build these kinds of facilities... and build nuclear power plants to power all this.
@@junior1497I think both sides are ignorant. Vegans shouldn't push anything on meat eaters and if they are making meat substitutes there is no reason why you have to be so against it, sounding like an anti vaxxer
🐣 I'm vegan and I don´t miss meat at all so no need to try it, but I think it's amazing to have this option for people who like meat. If we don´t change we are going to be late to survive or at least to have a nice future. Europe is burning, Asia is under the water and this is going to be our coldest and best summer in our lifetime if we don't react. Thanks for the video!
🐣Always been someone to try at least once. Having tried to eat plant based so called meat, and absolutely hated it. Seeing your reaction to the tastes and textures of this new meat has my hopes up for the future. Maybe this is where we're headed to get more efficient and environmental friendly, maybe it isn't. I will definitely try this meat if I .... Can ever afford to actually buy some
🐣 I just visited Upside Foods website but I wasn't able to continue reading every bit because I was crying. I read enough to know I'm grateful and even a tiny bit hopeful that they are a real answer to our meat consumption problem. More importantly an answer to the horrible way we've been treating animals since industry took over food production. There's no hope for us as a species if we don't embrace this science and change our eating habits. I don't think I will ever eat meat again but I would purchase this product and support it with all of my heart and my wallet. Thank you! And the very best of luck to the scientist and the creators and the investors. I wish I could be one of them. This innovation is going to make all the difference. It has to or we are doomed
🐣 Big fan! I’m currently vegan and I might even try it once I successfully convince myself it’s not from an animal. I’m so glad this is being pursued! Better for the planet and removes the suffering from the equation while letting people eat however they wish! I think it’s unbelievably stupid when people turn their noses up at this idea. The future looks bright!
🐣 Willing to try it if I can find it. It's an important step, and I hope it gets to the point where it's actually more sustainable/efficient than raising poultry. Thanks for this awesome video.
Florida has banned lab meat... Guess I'll have to smuggle some in and then risk being a criminal! And as a vegetarian who knows they may force feed me cow, pig, and chicken meat!
Hard pass. Society is going the wrong way. Just 100 years ago people raised their own chickens to provide fresh eggs and meat for their families and tended small fruit and vegetable gardens. Towns were surrounded by local farms that provided fresh milk, produce and meat to the community. This is what we have to get back to. Lab grown is meat is just one solution to the factory farms, but not the only one. Communities taking back responsibility for their own food supply is the way to go.
Personally I can't wait until this is available in every city. I live in one where finding not-factory-farm meat isn't too hard, even in local restaurants, but I still only eat meat once or twice a week, and somewhere saying it's ethically sourced isn't a guarantee it really is. 🐣
But you’ll believe this video, even when it states we don’t use the entire cow when we absolutely do (often in dog food as meat meal, hooves, bones, tendons, penises are dog chews, people feed tongue, brain, heart….) Are you city people this gullible? They sure hope so.
Except here in Florida where they have banned lab meat... Guess I'll have to smuggle some in and then risk being a criminal! And as a vegetarian who knows they may force feed me cow, pig, and chicken meat!
Damn, I was hoping maybe because only the animal itself is not halal/kosher that it would make the lab grown meat a green flag, but I guess the parent cells has to come from somewhere... This make me wonder tho, a GMO lab meat could work right? not for any practical reason, I just like playing mind games with my brain everytime some new scientific/philosophical question emerged.
Like you said, the parent cells had to come from somewhere so essentially, you're just multiplying number of non-halal cells, making non-halal tissue out of it. The real question is, if it cultivated halal animal cells, how or when would you "slaughter" it? Coz even halal animals need to be slaugthered correctly to be halal for consumption.
@@AryaPDipa Yeah I totally forgot about the slaughtering part... But the need of slaughtering come from the necessity to kill the animal as quick and humanely as possible (no hunting with arrows bcs it causes slow death for example). Since fiqh by nature evolves with how the civilisation works, I guess lab grown meat just need to be "harvested in the name of god" or something to qualify as halal.
@@Rationality4Life Except here in Florida where they have banned lab meat... Guess I'll have to smuggle some in and then risk being a criminal! And as a vegetarian who knows they may force feed me cow, pig, and chicken meat!
I won't assume it's unhealthy as hell, but in addition to tasting good, it does also need to provide the same or better nutrition values for me to willingly switch.
🐣As someone who loves meat, but understands the impact the industry has I've been excited about lab grown meat since I first read about it and have debated others for it. I would in heartbeat try it.
A few years ago, when products like Impossible Meat and Beyond Burgers first came out, they seemed very exotic. Now, I cook them about once a month and don't think much about the fact that they are plant based. Hopefully, this lab-grown chicken will succeed. Best of luck to them. I think that the company would like nothing better than if people simply thought of their product as chicken, and not as lab-grown chicken.
@@urbugnmetoday3183 How do you define "food"? If it's "any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth" or any of the dozens of similar dictionary definitions, then lab-grown meat is food. If you're using a non-standard definition of "food" then you should really provide that definition before trying to use it in an argument.
@@urbugnmetoday3183you keep repeating the "it's not food" thing without providing one shred of any info that you are saying anything other than your opinion. Food is defined as "any substance consisting of protein, fat, carbohydrates, and other nutrients used by an organism to sustain growth and furnish energy". So what part of the definition of food does this violate?
🐣 I would be more than happy to test out lab grown meat! As someone who works in a lab and is familiar with Bioprocessing, it's a goal of mine to live to see the most important stressors to the environment limited with the implementation of fixes like this! Obviously not an easy task and as with all things, a ton of testing is required, but the end product is totally worth it!
0:00: 🐔 Lab-grown meat offers a sustainable solution to the negative impacts of traditional animal farming. 3:29: 🥩 Raising meat has a high environmental cost and is inefficient in terms of energy conversion, but the human connection to meat is deeply rooted in our culture and history. 5:43: 🧪 Scientists are working on a way to produce meat in a lab that is more efficient and environmentally friendly. 8:18: 🍗 The taste and texture of cultivated chicken is almost indistinguishable from traditional chicken. 11:42: 🌱 Cultivated meat is a viable alternative to traditional meat production, but it faces challenges in terms of cost, energy source, and nutrient requirements. 14:26: ! Lab-grown meat receives USDA approval and people are curious about trying it. Recap by Tammy AI
What would it take for me to try lab-grown chicken? Just access to the lab-grown chicken at a price point I can afford! I'm really excited about this development and would love to try it
Very interesting. I know the vegan options as meat alternatives aren’t really that healthy for you. What I’d like to see OSS a deep dive into how healthy this brew lab grown meat is. Do they use antibiotics, salt injections, etc. or is it basically organic?
Keep looking around for more information, the more perspectives, preferably unbiased ones, the better. Here's a video where you can start: th-cam.com/video/myX1uav1Kxk/w-d-xo.html Good luck on your quest for knowledge!
Chances are, there's no antibiotics in the lab-grown meat because they grow it in a sterile solution. No bugs, no need for antibiotics. There'll be no growth hormone, either, since it replicates handily on it's own with the right amount of sugars & nutrients.
🐣I love the idea of going towards a genetically grown meat product. This is only the beginning. We will get better at producing foods that are healthy for us and the environment. I can vision a product to provide us with more nutritional value per bite. Making the future us, healthier with a greener planet to live on. Great episode. Thank you Joe.
I would eat meat again in an instant if it was produced from cell culture. The technology is brand new. It should only improve and become more efficient as we learn
It is so refreshing reading a comments section not filled with paranoia.
Sort the comments by newest first lmao you’ll take back that statement.
You just don't like having to face an uncomfortable reality. Reasonable suspicion is not paranoia. What did the World Economic Forum mean when they said "by 2030 you'll own nothing and you'll be happy"?
@@derp8575 The shadowy organization attended by powerful people with a sinister agenda? Yeah, it's just the illuminati all over again. History repeats.
I'll admit their transparency maybe adds a little more credibility, but they're about as influential as the masons. A real consideration; a politician with regular involvement is a red flag, but ultimately their influence is hugely overblown by the conspiracy nuts. It's an over glorified lobbying group.
@@derp8575 Actually looking into the "by 2030 you'll own nothing and you'll be happy" you're also taking it out of context :/ Seriously, look into these things before you start making your accusations.
The phrase was coined by a single member, Danish politician Ida Auken, who was writing about a dystopian future where everything was "owned" through a subscription. It was a criticism of economic shifts to product-as-a-service solutions.
So not a statement by the WEF as a whole. Not a goal, but rather a criticism of worrying economic trends. But someone probably told you the WEF wanted to eliminate private ownership and you ate it up without a second thought.
Thinking with a combative mindset is not the same as thinking critically. Critical thinking requires more than lazily getting your information from a counter-culture source without verifying it yourself.
Let me guess, you clicked the first Google search result to get that information? What did Klaus Schwab mean when he said "what we are proud of is that we penetrate the cabinets"? @@johnyliltoe
If we can eat meat and not have animals suffer and die for it, I'm 100% on board for that
But then we wont need as many animals and alot of animals that would of been born to eat will no longer be born.
Yup, that's how it should be
I've been working in this field for years. Really nice to see Joe covering my PhD thesis topic! Thank you.
What's it like?
I would love to talk with you about your work. can you tell me your email/ thesis title?
Same !
I have a BS in biology. I want to get into this field. How can I?
Really? I wanna know if you actually made any progress cause most companies are faking it.
The first computer cost $400,000 ($6.2M in today's money). The first cultivated hamburger cost $330,000 ($430k in today's money). Right now, cultured meat is where computers were in the 1970's; expensive, large, inefficient. Hopefully, we're right on the doorstep of hitting the cultured-meat equivalent of the personal computer revolution of the 1980's.
Not used to seeing Joe talk to a scientist taller than him 😂
Hey, that's me! We've been huge fans of each other for years. It was treat to have our careers bump into each other like this. I am so proud of him for his work, and it never hurts to be able to speak eye to eye with another scientist!
@@ProtiumPower in short, yes, all possible. We're working on a wide range of products. Ideally, it's familiar favorites. We want folks to eat stuff they know and love.
@@ProtiumPower and all are grown in similar ways. Most cells have a lower efficiency limit, so cells like beef see larger efficiency gains when cultivated.
@@ericschulze7136can you grow chicken eggs?
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The only thing that is keeping me from trying this is that I don't have access to it yet. Once cost and energy efficiency are figured out I would change to lab grown meat in a heartbeat.
You're making excuses - you have no moral justification for eating meat or dairy.
@@morejoy5188 people eat meat would you rather have them kill animals or eat cloned meat these are your only choices
@@morejoy5188 There is plenty of moral justification. Whether you eat plants only or eat meat you take part in the killing of thousands of animals and insects. If you don't know that you should educate yourself on your life choice more.
@@morejoy5188 Their comment was about switching to cloned meat from the perspective of a meat eater. But being aggressive to a stranger is not likely to change their mind about the morality of eating meat.
@@itsdarke1054 That's wrong sorry, for one their is a line tween certain types of insects and animals, and the rest that do not have consciousness, which would make their impact irrelevant.
Secondly by eating meat you directly contribute to the deaths of animals, but it's important to note that the point is not only single person impact on this global industry, but to make societal changes through the government to stop the needless suffering and death of animals.
Thirdly your comments only merit is that you do take part in killing animals by being vegan, so you're right about that, because farming does accidentally kill animals, so you can only gauge the impact that you would be having supporting certain farming industries, compared to directly eating an animal.
But this is why it's so important that the point is to make societal impacts that don't make animal deaths during farming an issue, and severely take down the meat and dairy industry as it exists today.
Man, you missed a trick on that taste test. The proper response was "hmm, taste like chicken"🐣
Also, I'm actually more surprised when people are surprised that it tastes like chicken. This is the kind of thing that I thought we had been working on for a lot longer. The idea of growing replacement body parts isn't all that new, and muscle is probably one of the easier things to grow in a lab (as compared to something like heart valves).
Now they just need to get a well marbled wagyu steak figured out!
Kicker: It tastes like pork.
He said it at the end if that's any consolation
@@aaron5128 lol, yeah, when he got there and said it I considered deleting my comment, but decided it doesn't count, lol
While the premise is sound, the tons of added salts and sugers required will just continue to slowly kill the population and anchor them to pharma companies. Removing industrial farming is the key.
@@blaircox1589 Did you reply to the wrong comment?
I'd prefer the method as a meat eater. It would be nice to eat meat without feeling guilty.
Agreed . Animals are smarter than humans give them credit for
Tofu/mushrooms are already delicious alternatives…
@@PC-tc5jeVegetables and fungus cannot replace meat, doesn't taste the same and nutritionally very different.
@jakejager I agree. But for those not looking to consume meat, those are better options than lab grown silliness..
@@PC-tc5je veganism is a first world problem...that said, we absolutely need things that can only be naturally procured via meat consumption, otherwise you have to take supplements which is usually made from meat products... it's unhealthy to eat nothing but fungus and veggies, seen it too many times. You'd be better off eating those bugs than just vegetables and fungus. If you hate what they do to animals, eat bugs. Meal worms are quite nutritious and easy to farm but lab grown meat is actually whatever animal you sourced from so far less disgusting for the average weirdo in the modern world, including me. I've eaten my share of bugs, worms, pupi, fungus and wild plants but after many years of living off grid and being homeless I can't do a non-meat diet, literally makes me sick. I almost died after two years of attempting to be vegan, don't fall for the first world problems crew.
Right now, this is very energy dense, because it's early days. But the potential of this is incredible; if this is able to be scaled, it will be a total game-changer.
And as the technology matures, I could see "mico-breweries" but for meat springing up. A restaurant might tout that all their chicken products are grown in house and locals might flock (pun intended) to that restaurant due to their amazing home grown meat.
You could even have home town rivalries. One town insists that Joe's Diner grows the best chicken for their sandwiches while a neighboring town swears by Hank's Chicken Hut. And, of course, both would have less environmental impact than if they had shipped in farm grown meat.
Farm grown meat would likely stay around, but it would be more of a niche product and the animals would have better lives since they wouldn't need to be stuffed in factory farms.
I'd love for that to be true, but we unfortunately have good reason to believe otherwise. Cell growth medium is expensive to produce in terms of CO2 emissions [1]. Production of economical growth media dates back to work by Harry Eagle in 1955. It is not a new technology. Biotechnology is a big industry and this component can reasonably be called mature. Evolution had half a billion years to perfect growing animal bodies, including the yummy parts. There's no justification for assuming we can do better in a vat. We're sure to encounter the design challenges nature has already solved using some of those less yummy parts like lungs, feathers, intestines, beaks, etc.
[1] 10.1101/2023.04.21.537778
It cant be scaled homie
nope not gonna happen
Honestly, the whole "it will never catch on, it's too complicated / inefficient" routine has been done for just about everything innovative, and it's always been proven wrong. At the rate technology is improving thes days, I've seen it happen quite a few times in my lifetime alone. The the world is so radically different from what I remember as a kid, and technologies that used to be expensive, energy-guzzling and impractical have become so common place and relatively cheap, that I have few doubts this, too, can become viable ten or fifteen years from now.
The only obstacle is the defeatist attitude that will prevent this technology from being adequately funded and researched untill it becomes necessary, like, yesterday. Let's not kid ourselves: most of the "no can do" blabbing is born out of lobbying from industries that have much to lose from the upcoming (and inevitable) change.
Not wanting to know how that meat got to our table* That hit home, every time I watch these documentaries I become more conscious, from shopping to cooking to eating. Only thing is, as a poor struggling family (me and dad) it's just not feasible to go meatless, it's cheap in comparison. Hopefully that will change within my lifetime.
It depends. I'm self employed so I only paid myself £6k last year, most of which went on rent for my house share. I'm vegan and I managed to do it - just found out what times your local supermarkets reduce their products and get the reduced vegan options that no one else buys, that's what I do 😂 also, Oxford proved that a whole food vegan diet is cheaper than vegetarian or omnivorous diets, so either way, cost isn't really an issue regardless of income. Vegan substitutes at full price are the only way a vegan diet can be more expensive, and that's only because they aren't given government subsidies in the way animal products are.
Beans, lentils, potatoes, grains are cheap as heck and they're the staple foods of some of the poorest countries on earth. Typically the richer nations are the more meat-consuming ones. Eating meat-free isn't as out of the range of your budget as you think. It may just cost you time to learn new recipes.
Having been in a similar situation, eating a plant-based diet can be tragically less expensive and higher quality. The price of that for us was developing better cooking skills.
I'm on benefits & my family eats so much better for way less after going plant based. I've saved a fortune on pain killers too. My inflammation went down in my dodgy knees after going vegan. It's amazing!
Vegan alternatives are usually cheaper that animal products.
Almost all animal products, dairy and eggs are subsidies - so they are kept artificially low thanks to taxes.
🐣 I'm very excited about this. I'm autistic with sensory issues, so there are a LOT of foods I can't eat. Ethically, morally, I'd like to be vegan, but since my diet is so restricted, I wouldn't be able to get by without eating meat. I'm so excited that there are alternatives finally coming to market that actually taste good.
stick to vegetables this is grown chemical stuff
@@aalaal-uq8vx Everything you eat is chemicals.
I don't believe the majority of people who say they are autistic.
I think it's more likely that they never grew out of their childish 'picky' food choices and their parents affirmed it. Then they grow up and believe that their picky choices are an illness.
I believe most 'autistic' people just need their ass kicked and to be properly parented.
'Sensory issues'...lol
How do you define chemical
farm fresh vegetables and fruits from a local farmer is good! I've been feeling a lot better with these. I have a low spectrum as well. A2 milk is good too. Yerba mate is healthy too, from the mate factor. It has more antioxidants than green tea and has vitamins and minerals in it.
I’m an environmental engineer and sign me up! My table is waiting so as soon as can, I would. I’ve been vegetarian for 17 years so it might be a one and done for me, but it would provide a good option for meat eaters and the rest of the planet. A healthy planet needs this!
Vegans will finally stop mentioning animal abuse
@@RedoxBlade ok but animal abuse is bad? Like what
@@reiforsale2 yes it’s bad, I am just stating that vegans won’t keep mentioning it as a reason for me not to eat meat
As a biologist, I frequently see reporting on the hype of "lab grown meat" biased towards the "magic solutions" it will solve, and supposed (claimed) advantages without a proper understanding of the biology of what lab grown meat is trying to achieve. Therefore, there is no rigorous explanation of how they will magically solve these problems "15 years from now, 20 years from now", because currently there are no viable solutions, and they are banking on technology that has not been invented yet (hoping they would be the ones to invent it, patent it and make a boat load of cash). Unfortunately, this video falls into that category. Here's a few major things this video missed. The two main important things to consider in this lab process is supplying nutrients, and removing waste. These cells are cultured in large vats called bioreactors. These reactors attempt to mimic the "body" the cells live in, but the main difference is that they are trying to mimic a process that has evolved over millions of years in nature. Circulatory systems, kidneys, liver, immune systems, none of these processes of which can be replicated to any significant degree in the lab with current or near term technology. These along with the "unused" (this I'll get to) "wasted" parts all contribute to the function of the organism. Unfortunately lab processes can not achieve the same level of complexity and efficiency of the animals themselves, who have existed under selective pressures that have resulted in them becoming the most biologically efficient version of themselves. Humans have managed to improve upon this through selective breeding, and now accelerated through genetic modification, and this is likely the most pragmatic approach for the future of food security. The niche role lab grown meat will fill is growing meat of extinct species, like mammoths for example, for the rich that want to say they ate lab grown mammoth meat etc etc. This is simply marketing for venture capitalists looking for unicorns to throw money at like everything in the tech business, and not biology, and unfortunately I feel like this video does not make a good distinction between that.
EDIT: I never got to the "wasted" products. What about things like leather, feathers for pillows etc? I can make a whole separate essay about the intricacies of the meat industry but basically, there are ALOT of things other than meat that come from a chicken or cow that are used. I won't speak for the US, but anything useful that is wasted is money gone in the rest of the world, and in fact a lot of problems associated with the meat industry, such as cruelty and overcrowding, stems from intensive hyper efficiency to reduce waste and cost.
I should also mention that speed of growth does not translate to overall yield. The time and energy investment into a chicken has a far greater overall yield than compared to the same amount of time in for lab grown meat.
At least one other person has studied this too…I shouldn’t be amazed how the sheep do what they are programmed to do but wow…
Thanks mate, those are important points that most people haven’t considered yet, particularly those of us who aren’t biologists and haven’t heard of lab grown meat until 16 minutes ago.
Perhaps people assume that nutrient quality/density is part and parcel with lab grown meat but it turns out it’s way more complicated.
Would that likely be the first corner that gets cut if this industry gets off the ground?
You should’ve being presenting that video instead of that guy. You seem way more balanced in terms of the pros and cons, not to mention the actual challenges that lay ahead
@@CursedWheelieBin That won't be an area that could be cut. The nutrient has to be perfect, every time, with 0 contaminants, otherwise the entire batch will fail, because the cells don't have an immune system or any means to fend off contamination. It can't be grown in antibiotics if they intend for human consumption. There is a HUGE amount of money poured into developing growth media, and sometimes contaminants still find their way in, and ruin entire batches (I know this from experience). The level of difficulty in preventing contamination is definitely a major issue in this field, and scaling it up like this just makes it exponentially more difficult. The amount of equipment, time, and energy poured into preventing contamination in that facility must be massive. They didn't go into the specifics of what growth nutrients they used, but a lot of the time they are derived from animal products then purified and standardized in a lab (which is why it is so expensive), like bovine serum, so doesn't that defeat the purpose? Is it not easier to just genetically modify a better grain, and feed that to the chicken? There's a reason why chicken costs as much as it does...
Even if lab grown meat takes off, I doubt it will completely kill actual livestock farms. leather and gelatin will still be around, both of which also have plant-based alternatives. We can already produce reagent antibodies and culture white cells. Wonder if they could simulate any sort of immune system to combat the contamination problem.
You voiced it better than I and brought up some very good points I hadn’t considered. Well said/written
🐣 I didn't expect that they would have the grain and form down yet because up to this point I had only seen "ground meat" forms. This is so exciting! Honestly, over the past couple of days I've seen some things that give me hope, and this is one of them. Thanks Joe!
why not just eat chicken.. you know this is never going to be equivalent to the nutritional value of a pasture raised chicken, right ?
This will be basic, cheap as they can make it, claim it's healthy but stirred with GMP chemical BS for profits.
this is specifically chicken. stem cell research seems to be able to produce living muscle fibres that function and can be conditioned. obviously there can be no tone without autonomic or somatic innervation, but as long as the muscle thinks that it is in an organism, it will organise itself correctly. this is how we grow working hearts for transplant recipients. the lab grown heart has to pump blood the same way as the original heart does right? 😂 if they figure out the bone thing, they might be able to grow entire cuts. im more interested to see how they do non-lean meats. fat cells are a different beast altogether.
@@sammyalabamy111 What? Who was being negative? I literally said that it gave me hope. Your response is creating the opposite reaction.
@@disky01 Apologies... was responding to someone else, don't know why went to you, will delete it.
@@jonathanodude6660it’s a tumor
Human population is constantly growing and the old methods of producing energy for all of us stop being enough.
We constantly have to make our energy production more efficient if we are going to feed all the people.
Go science.
Actually, the population isn’t growing as fastly as it was years ago. It is declining slowly.
It cannot come soon enough for humanity to dig itself out of the massive unethical hole that is animal agriculture and gain the bonus of environmental balance while doing so. Not that eating animals and their secretions in most cases, could just be stopped right now. If society survives it needs to be an ethical society as well as sustainable.
🐣 As a vet student I had to visit a cattle slaughterhouse to learn about reproduction. It was very enlightening. The production chain was very efficient. We each had the option to try and kill an animal. It was very visceral and brutal and bloody even though it was according to standard procedure. It made me very aware of where my meat comes from. I think that everyone should be educated on this, to be able to form a truly informed opinion.
That's about right. I wonder how many would still insist with the "standard" procedure once the cultivated meat will cost as much as if not less than dead animals
hunting does this also, only the animal has every option to escape. And of course assuming you do it ethically (game laws are geared toward forcing people to do that but there are always bad ones out there). As I've gotten older it's more difficult to get out there and hunt and I've always wanted to have a hobby farm and couldn't and our city doesn't allow us to even keep a couple of chickens for eggs. So I'm stuck with whatever is at the store or local farmers markets or whatever. It's very frustrating to me how our society is geared toward avoiding these realities so that we take meat and animal husbandry in general for granted. (just look at how terribly and ignorantly some people treat their own pets)
Veterinarian killing an animal (outside of euthanasia) sounds realu grotesque. Like a human doctor killing a patient 'just to try' 🤢
@segel8275 Did you slaughter one?
I'm from Pakistan where we see a lot of our meat being butchered and get it from local butcheries. I have been seeing how animals get killed abd skinned and made into meat for a long time
They should have blind tested you to see if you could pick out natural chicken vs theirs. Also it would have been nice to know how much the chicken you ate cost them to make. That was probably like a $300 chicken sandwich 😂
They said near the end that with current technology, it costs $21 per kg to produce cultivated meat (as opposed to $10 per kg for the real thing).
And while the majority of people can't afford to spend twice the money on the same weight/volume of meat they eat in a week, that price is still well within the reach of those who prefer to go to the more upmarket supermarkets (like Waitrose and M&S in the UK).
For those who can't afford to swap over to cultivated meats, but want to be more cruelty-free, at least some are going to try them now and again or cut back on the real meat so they can afford a little cultivated instead.
For those like me, who have tried veganism, but have other food intolerances, which made it necessary to back off a bit and resort to vegetarianism instead - cultivated meat is a way forward.
Vegan meat alternatives often aren't that cheap either, and I don't think it's that big a step to pay a little more for cultivated meats.
@@debbiehenri345 sorry to correct you, but they said that cultivated meat can cost anything from $21-$236/kg. Of course, this will get cheaper over time, but I'm sure only very few could afford meat in the upper portion of that price range
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@@debbiehenri345 problem is, vegan meat alternatives already aren't selling well and seem to already hit their ceiling. Introducing a more expensive vegan meat alternative doesn't look like something that can break that ceiling. It needs to be cheaper than regular meat so that people who eat meat would buy it instead of meat, while they are trying to sell meat to people who don't like buying meat
@@NJ-wb1cz sure, but you gotta consider that this is a rather small factory where they had to figure things out first. I hope that we'll see growing production capacities and thus falling prices in the next five or so years
People have to remember this is a first gen product. it'll only get better, more efficient, and cheaper as we go forward.
@@Iceicecrocodilethey’re the same price as real meat now
Just what we need - more GMO.
Just stop eating all meat & dairy ffs
More like a third gen product, lab grown meat has been circuling around the world since 2005. Only now is it being commercially viable
today i learned that being smart means watching the news 1:10
being smart is being a control freak 4:50
being smart is restricting and prohibiting farts and burps because they contribute to our death and demise 4:20
being smart is entering a lab while one wears a mask and the other people don't 9:20
being smart is enforcing being smart if we dont do as they say 12:38
being smart is not knowing if this is the answer to these problems 13:48
being smart is not knowing if this is the answer to these problems 14:08
but god damn it feels good 14:11
be smart guys
I might not agree with all statements in this video, but I love how the arguments are well presented. Thank you for illustrating how conventional meat production can waste many resources.
@@Subliminalsapperit's a 15 minute video they shot on site. Obviously they would love to dive into that, but that wasn't the intention for this video. This more like a PSA, showing off where lab grown meat is at. You can expect many more videos from them about this subject breaking it down further.
Their illustration of how conventional meat production can waste many resources was misleading. For example, 86% of cattle feed is a mixture of forages and byproducts such as almond hulls, distiller grains, and soybean meal that humans cannot consume. Those are calories that can be upcycled into meat. That's not waste.
We grow massive amounts of feed, refine it and give it to animals, and occasionally we give them waste.
It's well established that if we all adopted a 100% plant-based diet we would reduce our farmland by 75%. We could reforest as much land as North and South America. Source: Our World in Data
@@WeissM89 This is a myth based on the false assumption that it's possible to swap pasture for cropland, acre per acre. In many parts of the world, pasture is nearly identical with land unsuited for growing crops. Especially in developing nations, pasture requires less human labor per calorie of food.
But yes, we grow massive amounts of feed. I'm all for reducing factory farming. That's beside the point. This video did a poor job conveying the truth. They let industry write the script and it's filled with industry-sponsored lies. Their illustration of how conventional meat production can waste resources was misleading for this reason.
Uma Valeti comes across as a really genuine and nice guy. I’ll be interested to see what else he does in the future.
People said the same about Bill Cosby
@@Pangolin-Mandolin why are you comparing an assaulter to a person who is trying something ethical and good for the environment sustainably.
Will you also compare Steve Jobs with hitler just because both had cult following?
I know, right? It seems like he's genuinely super interested in all aspects of his company and all of the scientific and societal implications. He knows how freaking cool this is, but doesn't lose sight of how difficult it is to 'fool' something so precise as the human senses.
I will be first in line to eat this chicken-meat. Bring it on! I was raised on a farm in 1940s, watched my mother chop chickens' heads off w/ hatchet. Yes, the decapitated bodies do briefly "run around like chickens with their heads cut off". Then comes plucking feathers.. and you can imagine the rest. I don't have PTSD from the experience but will think back when I see chicken pieces/parts on my plate.
Can you PLEASE PLEASE Pl..EASE make a video on how cement was made and developed.
I'm a civil engineering student who LOVES your way of explaining things here and I really want to know the cement story in your style.
I BEG YOU. just once, please consider this and make a video on it I would be soooooooooo grateful!
🐣It does feel strange to think that we could cultivate meat from a lab rather then an actual animal. But I would happily eat lab grown meat as long as it is cost friendly, environmentally friendly, and it resemble meat that I know in every way.
Unfortunately this stuff is neither affordable nor environmentally friendly. You should know that since your emoji indicates that you saw the end.
It’s been linked to cancer and they add so many chemicals and preservatives into fake meat.
Just eat meat. This is Frankinscience.
@@jackmason5278 But when the day does come, I'll be thrilled to try them.
I'm not going to eat the bug. You can't fix this from the bottom-up. This is what liberals believe in.
I can't wait for this to be available in all grocery stores! This is definitely the future of meat!
We were all supposed to be traveling with our own jetpacks by now too.
im sure you will pay $225 for 2 chicken breasts too! Good luck with that.
@@johnbarry5036 Impossible Food/Beyond Meat started out with those prices, coming out of the labs. And now they have competitive prices with real meat. Same with any other commodity. Once they can scale it, then it will be cheaper and more available to everyone, bringing down the prices.
@@johnbarry5036 You paid $10,000 for your current cell phone, right? That's what they originally cost when they came out, so obviously nothing ever gets cheaper as the technology develops 🙄
@johnbarry5036 Cost Curves exist. Look at RethinkXs research. They hold that animal ag will be bankrupted by this tech by 2040 due to its lower costs. Dairy could be bankrupt this decade.
I am worried that corporations will see good marketing potential in it and completely ruin it. There's a hope to get it not only safely, but also try to make it as healthy as possible, but if megacorporations touch them, it will be ruined.
It’s already ruined
''megacorporations'', who do you think is sponsoring these factories and scientific efforts? You can bet megacorporations and other interest structures are involved in this development. Are they trustworthy in their endeavors and are their motivations virtuous? These are the essential questions.
probably it will because of how bad is capitalism
That’s what it’s about…money money money money
@@urbugnmetoday3183Hey there you are again! Making people mad bc you’re mad
While I do agree the conditions of animals being farmed for meat need VAST improvement, real meat is absolutely still needed, and I will never put lab meat in my body, no matter how close it is to the real thing.
Im in, no more animal torture but still have meat sounds good.
🐣🐣🐣 I’m Vegan and I literally CANNOT wait. What degree do I have to get to go munchin on the lab chicken?
Katie Karen Dickmeyer moment
At what point is someone vegan because genetically this would be an animal byproduct?
The only difference is we took animal cells and forced them to multiple in a petri tank.
Even if this were a thing, there will be questionable ethics questions on how the stem cells are taken to grow these synthetic meats.
@@ShouTan exactly (fun fact: I am Uma valeti’s relative but very distant)
And im a carnivore that eats spinach
Preferably the degree that explains what a vegan is and why they don’t eat meats
I'm so sure that no matter how identical it is to regular meat, some people will just say it's not the same
It is cancerous
Are you joking or serious?
@@janisjunkie69Probably joking, and if they aren’t, they’re wrong 💀
This is literally growing tissues as they grow anyways, so no duh it would be exactly the same with no different effects
It’s some weird psychology phenomenon yeah 💀
If they can get cultivated meat to a price point that's cheaper than regular meat, then psychological barriers to entry don't matter as much, most people will slowly transition to it even if it takes a while.
All metabolic diseases have the same things in common: cardiovascular disease, malnutrition, and insulin resistance. If they say that this lab meat does not require the expensive nutrients that are required for farmed meat, then one might wonder if this meat is void of those nutrients. Not sure why you all in the comments are excited about that for the future. And furthermore, if meat is supposed to cause cancer then why would we want lab grown meat?
Thank you for this video, I'm vegan for this reason! You make my month more happy!
Keep thinking that.
@@Onthegorich you okay?
🐣 As a meat-eater I can't wait for sustainable, affordable cultivated meat! I am very much looking forward to it!
I'm also happy the meat substitutes are getting better and better and more affordable nowadays.
Boooooyyyyy yalllll amaze me 😅
🤖 comments, all using a hatching chick in your comment.
@@johnnylego807 only because Joe told us to. "to show [we] made it to the end of the video"
Lab meat causes more pollution and uses more energy than nature
If the substitutes are getting better, then why not just switch to those?
Then you don't have to abuse any animals.....
I used to run a BBQ but now enjoy my food more being vegan
I'm glad to hear they figured out how to grow the more complete meat. I remember a few years ago they were growing pure muscle and it was reported to taste horrible because it was missing so much of the other stuff in meat. Also... 🐤
It didn't taste horrible. It was immensely bland.
Like sticking your tongue out of the window.
The delicious flavor of meat doesn't come from the pure muscle-protein alone, but from the fat, meat-juice, myoglobin, colagen etc.
@@lakrids-pibe Have you tasted it? Are you making the claim that this company's produce doesn't contain fat, meat-juice, myoglobin, or collagen in the same proportion as chicken breast? How do you know that?
Just eat Gods meat. Beef
@@DontCancelMeBrowhat did Satan invent microorganisms?
@@ssgoko88 Satan invented LGBT
You still need plant based proteins to make the cultured meat. There is currently a limit on the pulses production 92.13 Mt per year. So first you will have to culture such plant proteins or pulses to make your meat culture successful and cheaper!
🐣 I'm vegan and don't miss meat, so I don't care for it for myself, but I applaud the effort. I would even give it a try. But I would want to know more about how it compares nutritionally and how it will affect our health long term before I added it as a frequent part of my diet. Also, speaking more broadly about lab-created food (I've read about this being done for cheese too) I'm concerned about how it affects people with food allergies, and I haven't seen that addressed yet.
It's basically sterilized meat. So... if you don't get sick from eating meat, then this meat is even less likely to harm you if the process is done well. Animals get a lot of stuff fed to them including antibiotics, pesticides, herbicides, that sort of stuff. During packing other stuff can be included like dust, pollen, etc. Lab grown meat in well controlled process won't have any of that. So, unless you're allergic to the meat itself, I don't see what you'd have a reaction to in a lab grown meat.
Culture's taken from actual chickens, so if you're allergic to chicken, it's still chicken, and you'll still be allergic. (if I understood the concern)
I’m a meat eater and I’ll never miss meat because real meat isn’t going anywhere. You can’t and won’t stop us. Especially Americans
@@DontCancelMeBroI mean, technically, this is real meat 🤷♂️
@@chocolatefrenzieya The culture, yes. Then it's a question of what each given person is allergic to on a chicken. If it's specifically the meat cells or maybe some protein in the meat than they're screwed. But if they're allergic to chicken for some other reason and can't eat the meat due to cross contamination during the separation process, then they should be fine. I would also guess that in time scientists will likely work out some special genetic adjustment to the sample (similar to what they've done to cats) to just remove the allergen which should open the meat experience to everyone.
This technology promise to fix most of our world problems.
Ecological disasters, water consumption, food poisoning, food distribution to everyone, everything...
We must invest in such technology.
I've been wanting this to be a thing for years. I'd ABSOLUTELY try cultivated chicken. 🐣🍗
Soylent green is people
@@MrPolandballIf you make it this way Soylent Green actually can be ppl. Imagine the “Meat’s back on the menus boys!” Burger. With the add campaign, “People, the other, other white meat” 🥩
🐣 as long as it’s been properly, tested to be safe, I don’t see any reason why I wouldn’t eat lab grown meat.
I'm really excited about this. I have cut back a lot on meat since leaning about the cruelty of meat farming industry, so I'm just looking forward to be able to enjoy meat again guilt free!
learn to hunt ethically. It's a lot less suffering than mass produced meat. And it's a lot more difficult than people think.
Same here.
I would totally try 🐣grown in a lab. I hope it is the future of food. I hope it turns out it is healthier and better for the environment.
It won't necessarily be healthier as that would change things like taste and mouth feel - but a goal, perhaps the primary goal is environmental - and THAT and that we don't have to kill for this is why I'm so excited for this technology. It pains me that I won't get to live in a world where this is normal and the idea of killing something just to eat it becomes barbaric.
Carcinogens are also grown in labs too bud.
@@MrPolandballStill better than eating pesticide and antibiotic in farming. Beside i believe that every food nowadays have carcinogen element, even hot sauce has carcinogen ingredient in it, the thing is that they're small in quantity so our liver can handle it thus they don't powerful enough to penetrate our defense. I believe this is more of people afraid to try new thing than normal meat is safer than synthetic meat because both have up and down.
@@pw3858I don't that is what he was saying at all. Humans don't eat in the same way as wild carnivores do, we farm. I think Ross wants the way we farm changed. In the wild, there is a natural barrier to carnivores becoming too successful, scarcity of food. If they hunt their prey too much, there's less to go around, so the carnivores starve and thin in numbers, giving the prey time to repopulate, and the cycle repeats. Humans effectively broke that cycle through agriculture.
Oh... It can be corrupted... Knowing humanity... It shall be if proven lucrative enough.
I never thought i'd be so happy and amused by the statement "it tastes like chicken"
I would completely switch to cultivated meat. Once cm manufacturing has gotten greener and cleaner it’s a no brainer. For the environment, people and, also importantly, animals.
🐣I've been waiting for this to be a thing ever since I first heard about it ten or so years ago.
🐣When Beyond Meat hit the shelves I eagerly awaited when it would be available near me and purchased it as soon as I could. When companies started making cow-free dairy I scoured my local stores to find a 1/2 pint of ice cream made with it. Currently cultured meat is a little too pricey for me to afford regularly addint it to me diet. But as long as it's closer to the $20 mark versus the several hundred dollar mark mentioned in the video I will not only be happy to try it when it's offered, I'll track it down and buy some as soon as it gets within a 1/2 hour drive of my house.
🐣 I'm all in as soon as it becomes affordable!
Great, informative video, as always. Thanks!
Normally, I really am an optimist. But do I think that I, at 35, will life to see this become affordable? It's really hard to tell.
Much progress has been made in terms of taste, I give you that. But how much progress has been made in terms of scalability? I mean, just consider the level of education the staff needs to have. It's not exactly your everyday farmhand. I really want to, but I simply can't see this tech becoming anything but prohibitively expensive anytime soon.
I don't buy meat from supermarkets or slaughter houses. I prefer meat without antibiotics and no older than 24 hours
so you would go to grass fed cow farms?
I agree more on this than slaughtering animals for consumption.
🐣 I would love to make the switch! We've been teetering on the edge of going meat free based on ethics. I think this avenue would make it an easier change. It would have to be affordable though.
I think that the more people stop buying meat from farms the more incentive there will be to make lab grown meats. If you don't mind me asking, what is stopping you from going meat free?
Easiest thing you'll ever do if you genuinely care about the ethics. Just go vegan, worry about missing meat later. (Spoiler: you won't miss any foods if you're vegan for the animals)
@@kasroa agreed, before going vegan I thought it was the hardest thing. But it really wasn't, some research was needed to find out what to replace the animal foods with but after that it was fine. There's also very good mock meats you can eat once in a while if you ever do get cravings
I am really excited about this! I'm not vegan, but I think we can do better for the animals we eat
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And for the environment!
Yep. I am a guilty meat eater who prefers not to think about how my meat is made. This is huge and as soon as it comes on the market in Australia I will be buying it, and for the first time eating meat guilt free.
What about the animals that predators always eat? Shouldnt we be making lab grown meat for predators too so they stop killing and eating other animals? I mean they’re meat eaters too and kill their prey cruelly and slowly sometimes, those cruel meat eaters better be stopped
Sickos.
@@Yeahitsgoodtobefree What about arsonist? Why are we bothering trying to stop them? After all there's always something that will end up starting a fire, why should we bother trying to prevent them then?
See the problem with "what about" rethoric is that it's easy to say whatever you want without adressing the core issue.
While I do believe that the average American should lessen their meat intake for health and the environment, I do think cultivated meat will play a significant part still 🐣
As a meat lover, the potential thishasfor the variety of available cuts is utterly mouthwatering
As a vegetarian, I would eat these. As long as no animal is harmed in the making of these, Im down.
@@MySmileStillStaysOn i mean they do need a sample of meat to clone
@@Dragoboi1998 from my understanding from this video, they need an original sample that they said is the "size of a grain of rice" and then can continue to grow tissue from those first few cell lines (fat cells, muscle cells, etc). A sample the size of a grain of rice doesn't really hurt or kill an animal
Something about this is fucked up but i can't put words toghether
I do enjoy a burger or a barbecue every so often. That said, my main issue with lots of meat alternatives is that they're all trying to taste like meat. I actually like the taste of many vegetables: mushroom burgers, roasted greens, spinach. I enjoy them because they're not trying to taste like something else and failing. So this is a good idea for those that really like meat but have ethical concerns about eating animals. In its current state it does not address greenhouse gases but who knows, maybe when the tech is mature it will be better. 🐣
They try to taste like meat because there is a lot of demand for that, usually people who go vegan still liked the taste of meat, they stopped eating it for ethical or environmental concerns, but most of us still like the taste of it and would gladly eat it if it didn't have these problems.
You can try different Indian food. You can also try paneer. Many Indian foods don't use meat and tastes unique and tasty
🐣 I agree 100%. I eat veggie patties because they taste different from hamburger.
they say real meat costs a LOT to produce , yet a bag of 20 sausages here costs like £1.50 thats 50% pork ,yet a 4 pack of vegan sausages costs £4 .. do the math, vegan brands are a rip off , this marketing is why we laugh
One that surprised me last week was 'beetroot burgers.' As a vegetable on its own, I'm not that keen on beetroot, and my son doesn't like it at all. But we both like what one brand (UK) did with beetroot burgers, without trying to make them into a 'meat taste/texture' alternative. All they did was take the right spices and grains to make this vegetable much, much more palatable.
Mushroom burgers!
You have to be there when they put these on the shelves in our local supermarket, because people love them and stock up when they see them. Again, they don't taste meaty, they just taste like high quality mushrooms.
No, chickens “don’t swim”. That’s some hardball reporting right there.
Has humanity EVER created anything in the laboratory that we didn’t later regret?
And who came up with the standard that animals should require one calorie in and one calorie out? Isn’t that a perpetual motion fantasy?
Furthermore, don’t forget the mini thousands upon thousands of other products we use daily that are totally dependent on livestock we consume in this country. It ain’t like they slaughter a cow and only take the meat and the rest gets buried in a landfill, every single ounce of that cow was used.
I have a strong suspicion that this will end up like wind, power, solar, power, corn, ethanol, etc.… and every single case the final cost benefit analysis gives us a net negative.
And I would suggest anyone who truly finds this interesting, do a little research and find out what the “substrata“ is that they grow lab grown meat upon.
However, since Bill Gates and Communist China are now majority farm landowners in America, and buying them at a break- neck pace, where we get our meat may be the least of our concern, if we can’t even obtain a loaf of bread.
And I am eating your goddamn bugs either!
That "one calorie in, one calorie out" was labeled as an _ideal_ scenario & they made a point of saying that's not actually how it works in the video. It's more like 50 to 100 calories in, 1 calorie out. BTW, for the rest of your comment, your tin-foil hat is showing. Not a good fashion choice.
Thanks for shedding some light onto such a trailblazing industry. I’ve always been fascinated by biotech
I'm all in and can't wait. Wife's screaming "NO WAY, EVER!" like her hair is on fire. Keep in mind, it's so expensive and energy dense, because they're more focused on getting everything as perfect as possible, and all that new equipment that had to engineered needs to be paid for. But, I firmly believe the energy density and production cost will reduce significantly when it becomes mainstream (and it will have to). VCR's were $2,000 and movies cost, on average, $200 back in the early 80's. In 2003, I bought one for $19 at Walmart, and it came with two free movies. Just one of the lessons. 🐣
p.s. Where's the beef! 😁
Don't forget to do your own research! As much as I love Be Smart, you can't take everything at face value. It's always good to find other perspectives on a topic, so here's a video on just that: th-cam.com/video/myX1uav1Kxk/w-d-xo.html Don't stop there though! There's tons of information out there and it's great to keep searching and make your own well-informed conclusion on things!
VCRS were not $2000 back in the 80s nor were movies $200 either...
🐣 I’ve been on the Upside Foods mailing list for years now and I was so thrilled to see they got their FDA approval a few days ago. Here’s hoping the technology will bring lots of new people to the table, reduce suffering for billions of animals, and improve ecological conditions for us all … bon appetit!
Sustainability is the key, and this is not the answer. It just eliminates the cruelty. The real answer is plant based and mushroom growing, also for those that want to eat some real animal protein it would have to be plastic eating worms. Another key factor to fight the plastic waste 🐣🥬
🐣 As a vegetarian, I would go for cultivated meat as soon as it hits the shelves. I miss a lot of meat product I used to consume and it truly is a big part of our culture. It's simply a shame we can't yet farm animals properly.
Looking forward to the future❤
If you are vegetarian for the animals, why aren't you vegan?
Wel, we can farm animals properly. The only thing is we would need to eat much less animal products if we would do so.
@@TheJesster257 I'm a vegetarian for the greenhouse gas emissions and land use. I do eat game meat 2-3 times a year.
@samueldavid861 so you're not vegetarian? Vegetarians dont eat any meat...this is the ridiculous comment 😂😂😂 Its that meme...I'm a virgin who has sex 2-3 times a year 😅😅
@@PyjamaRex Ah, I misunderstood your "farm animals properly" statement as caring about animals. Turns out you only care about human animals?
If they find ways to make this process more affordable and sustainably stable, I'm 100% on board. Plant-based meats are already getting better and better at tasting delicious, even if it isn't a perfect imitation of real meat. But an actual way to create the exact meat we eat regularly without the animal part of the equation involved? Super cool.
I ran a BBQ for a decade and now am vegan and don't miss meat in the slightest.
The vegan options are absolutely that good!
You can even make STEAK using lions mane mushrooms and it's got the same texture and better taste
I love what Uma Valeti said about meat at 11:16. There is something about yummy food, and meat in particular, that triggers something magical in our brains. Its like hearing your favorite song for the first time or finally finding a painting that just speaks to you. Its special, its observable but not quantifiable. It truly is art.
It’s a tumor
@@urbugnmetoday3183this lab meat is going to give us all kinds of tumors
Proof our brains can't tell the difference between what's real and fake
Definitely worth a try. Attracted to concept and potential benefits
Can this meat be considered ultra processed?
Reaction & actions of vested interests a concern
Worth a try for sure.
Yet they are lying about some of those numbers. They don't factor in the fact feedstock is made of a lot of the plant byproduct we don't eat. Think it is like 86% of all feed is byproduct. Ruminates especially are great at that.
Also nearly all of livestock byproduct is used. We don't just cut the good meat out, and toss the rest.
Anyway if their product tastes as good, for cheaper I will buy it. I'm super curious on the nutrient content.
Yet lying with misleading statistics pisses me off to no end.
I think they should have gone for steak products. Since beef is more expensive then chicken, and being able to sell some steak patty thing that taste like prime A for cheap would be awesome.
I remember a few years ago someone made a burger with lab grown beef. If I remember correctly the people who tried it didn't like it because it was all lean meat and had no fat.
How lean you like your meat is at best a taste preference, but yes it would be good to simulate different varieties. Chicken is a little easier as we don't usually eat the chicken fat anyway, but fat cells can presumably be grown just as easy as any other cells they just need to get the mixture right.
The bigger question is whether they'll be able to get the fat cells to be in the "right" spots to create the marbling effect. Having fat and muscle mixed together randomly would (I suspect) have the texture of goop. Might be good enough for ground beef but you won't get a very good steak that way.
But hey this is all new technology. There's any number of things they can do to improve it both in terms of price and taste/texture. To get around the mixing problem (assuming it can't just be grown that way) they could maybe look into 3D printing for example - have a vat of regular tissue and a vat of fat tissue and just print it out in the shape of a T-bone or whatever.
Awesome! This is so nice to hear that this has been done and you have made so much good progress!
YES WE CAN!
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I am not supportive of eating meat.
But that is a nice progress.
🐣 I am so ready for this. Been an on-and-off vegan; the taste and cravings for meat, simply keep getting me to come back to eating meat. Taking the animal out of the equation, dude, I would be on this in a heartbeat.
I had already decided to never eat meat again for ethical reasons, but this got me excited too. It does make me a bit sad to see people who are on board with the ethical argument to go back to eating meat for taste though. Is the craving for meat so bad that you think it's worth harming and killing animals? (This is not an attack btw! I get cravings too and just buy a plant based meat that is close enough, im just genuinely curious to see if u think taste is worth more than their lives?)
@@allandm It doesn't even occur to me honestly. I know I'm not alone in this because I've talked to other people who eat meat on a regular basis; meat is just such a commodity, packed, prepared and available so that even though there are other options like Halloumi and vegetable based protein, it's honestly just that convenient to eat meat. Personally, I grew up around rural areas and only later in life did I find a deeper respect for farm-animals- but this aside, the industry around meat-eating is simply so prevalent that it's way too easy to get tempted to eat meat, damn the consequences.
@@larscarlquist9968 yeah I understand that, its easy not think about the animals that suffer when we get meat in a nice package. Would you buy dog meat if it was in a nice package?
@@allandm Well, judging by my disinterest in trying out other exotic meats when they're on the menu; probably not. Though if I was somewhere, where it was socially acceptable to eat dogs and where the marketing is as aggressive as let's say, the latest meal deals from McD... I wouldn't be so sure. I would probably give it a try.
@@larscarlquist9968 interesting, (i know this is extreme, just trying to see where you draw the line) in a hypothetical scenario where it's legal to eat other humans who have been bred for consumption, would you do it?
If not, then what is the morally relevant difference between humans and other animals that makes it okay to kill one for taste but not the other? To me what gives live value is sentience, the ability to experience the world, to feel pleasure and pain. And we share these characteristics with other animals
It would take nothing for me to try cultivated meat in this manner. Ill try it right now. 🐣
Perhaps this was answered in the video and I just missed it, but would you be able to eat lab-grown chicken without the risk of salmonella? Since it doesn't come from a real chicken
They do mention that the cells are grown in a bacteria-free medium. So yes, no risk of getting salmonella.
Yes actually! There is basically zero risk of food borne illness. That’s another upside to this tech.
I can finally eat my chicken medium rare!!!!
No, there would be a reduced risk, but salmonella isn't exclusive to farm or processing. The meat can be contaminated at any stage of the supply chain, including your kitchen. Treat it exactly the same as you would treat normal chicken.
Salmonella comes from the digestive tract of animals, particularly birds. Same with E. coli, campylobacter and listeria. No poop = No faecal bacteria.
Seems like all the money the governments around the world give to farmers should be going to build these kinds of facilities... and build nuclear power plants to power all this.
This comment section is 90% bots
Someone is really trying to push this “meat”. 🐣 once the technology is more advanced, only the rich will be able to afford real meat
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I thought so too when I saw all the emojis. But then I watched the video and he did actually tell people to use that emoji in the comments lol
@@junior1497I think both sides are ignorant. Vegans shouldn't push anything on meat eaters and if they are making meat substitutes there is no reason why you have to be so against it, sounding like an anti vaxxer
@@kos-3327 yea I shouldn’t be forced to eat lab grown meat.
🐣 I'm vegan and I don´t miss meat at all so no need to try it, but I think it's amazing to have this option for people who like meat. If we don´t change we are going to be late to survive or at least to have a nice future. Europe is burning, Asia is under the water and this is going to be our coldest and best summer in our lifetime if we don't react. Thanks for the video!
🐣Always been someone to try at least once. Having tried to eat plant based so called meat, and absolutely hated it. Seeing your reaction to the tastes and textures of this new meat has my hopes up for the future. Maybe this is where we're headed to get more efficient and environmental friendly, maybe it isn't.
I will definitely try this meat if I .... Can ever afford to actually buy some
Amazing work! This is the type of innovation that will push our society into a new and better age for humans and other species on our planet alike.
🐣 I just visited Upside Foods website but I wasn't able to continue reading every bit because I was crying. I read enough to know I'm grateful and even a tiny bit hopeful that they are a real answer to our meat consumption problem. More importantly an answer to the horrible way we've been treating animals since industry took over food production. There's no hope for us as a species if we don't embrace this science and change our eating habits. I don't think I will ever eat meat again but I would purchase this product and support it with all of my heart and my wallet.
Thank you! And the very best of luck to the scientist and the creators and the investors. I wish I could be one of them. This innovation is going to make all the difference. It has to or we are doomed
What I’d there is no legit meat consumption issue. I’ve heard of farmers being forced to decrease their production by governmental agencies.
@@BmoreBetterNOW Florida government-has banned lab meat... Guess I'll have to smuggle some in and then risk being a criminal!
🐣 Big fan! I’m currently vegan and I might even try it once I successfully convince myself it’s not from an animal. I’m so glad this is being pursued! Better for the planet and removes the suffering from the equation while letting people eat however they wish! I think it’s unbelievably stupid when people turn their noses up at this idea. The future looks bright!
Y'all do easy
🐣🐣🐣 as soon as it’s affordable I’m all for it!
2:29 The world's most populous country has the lowest consumption of meat in the world wow
🐣 Willing to try it if I can find it. It's an important step, and I hope it gets to the point where it's actually more sustainable/efficient than raising poultry. Thanks for this awesome video.
Florida has banned lab meat... Guess I'll have to smuggle some in and then risk being a criminal! And as a vegetarian who knows they may force feed me cow, pig, and chicken meat!
Hard pass. Society is going the wrong way. Just 100 years ago people raised their own chickens to provide fresh eggs and meat for their families and tended small fruit and vegetable gardens. Towns were surrounded by local farms that provided fresh milk, produce and meat to the community. This is what we have to get back to. Lab grown is meat is just one solution to the factory farms, but not the only one. Communities taking back responsibility for their own food supply is the way to go.
Personally I can't wait until this is available in every city. I live in one where finding not-factory-farm meat isn't too hard, even in local restaurants, but I still only eat meat once or twice a week, and somewhere saying it's ethically sourced isn't a guarantee it really is. 🐣
But you’ll believe this video, even when it states we don’t use the entire cow when we absolutely do (often in dog food as meat meal, hooves, bones, tendons, penises are dog chews, people feed tongue, brain, heart….) Are you city people this gullible? They sure hope so.
Except here in Florida where they have banned lab meat... Guess I'll have to smuggle some in and then risk being a criminal! And as a vegetarian who knows they may force feed me cow, pig, and chicken meat!
I’m not eating cultured cells
This is a great idea to take to the moon and Marc.
Someone with a theology degree, does this mean that halal pork is possible?
Rabbi David Stav says not Kosher.
College of Sharia and Islamic Studies at Kuwait University says not Halal.
Damn, I was hoping maybe because only the animal itself is not halal/kosher that it would make the lab grown meat a green flag, but I guess the parent cells has to come from somewhere...
This make me wonder tho, a GMO lab meat could work right? not for any practical reason, I just like playing mind games with my brain everytime some new scientific/philosophical question emerged.
Like you said, the parent cells had to come from somewhere so essentially, you're just multiplying number of non-halal cells, making non-halal tissue out of it.
The real question is, if it cultivated halal animal cells, how or when would you "slaughter" it? Coz even halal animals need to be slaugthered correctly to be halal for consumption.
@@AryaPDipa Yeah I totally forgot about the slaughtering part...
But the need of slaughtering come from the necessity to kill the animal as quick and humanely as possible (no hunting with arrows bcs it causes slow death for example).
Since fiqh by nature evolves with how the civilisation works, I guess lab grown meat just need to be "harvested in the name of god" or something to qualify as halal.
This will be epic when it goes public 🎈
Well, sit down, because I have some news for you.... :))))
YT is kinda public
Well, it's already available for consumers in singapore and the US just legalized the sale of it
@@Rationality4Life Except here in Florida where they have banned lab meat... Guess I'll have to smuggle some in and then risk being a criminal! And as a vegetarian who knows they may force feed me cow, pig, and chicken meat!
❤ bless the research
🐣 definitely can't wait to try it!
If it tastes the same, people might actually switch one day!
Except for the fact it's unhealthy as hell.
@@JaysonT1 idk where you heard that, but you can state your resources....
I won't assume it's unhealthy as hell, but in addition to tasting good, it does also need to provide the same or better nutrition values for me to willingly switch.
🐣As someone who loves meat, but understands the impact the industry has I've been excited about lab grown meat since I first read about it and have debated others for it. I would in heartbeat try it.
A few years ago, when products like Impossible Meat and Beyond Burgers first came out, they seemed very exotic. Now, I cook them about once a month and don't think much about the fact that they are plant based. Hopefully, this lab-grown chicken will succeed. Best of luck to them. I think that the company would like nothing better than if people simply thought of their product as chicken, and not as lab-grown chicken.
@@urbugnmetoday3183 it IS food, domey
@@urbugnmetoday3183Ope, another non-insightful, bland comment! You’re on a roll today, really living up to your username
@@urbugnmetoday3183 How do you define "food"? If it's "any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth" or any of the dozens of similar dictionary definitions, then lab-grown meat is food.
If you're using a non-standard definition of "food" then you should really provide that definition before trying to use it in an argument.
@@urbugnmetoday3183you've got some case of "schizo energy" considering you're responding to arguments no one has made
@@urbugnmetoday3183you keep repeating the "it's not food" thing without providing one shred of any info that you are saying anything other than your opinion. Food is defined as "any substance consisting of protein, fat, carbohydrates, and other nutrients used by an organism to sustain growth and furnish energy". So what part of the definition of food does this violate?
🐣Price. As soon as cheap enough I'll eat it.
I will eat it with no issues or complains, just make it affordable so I can live on it.
🐣 I would be more than happy to test out lab grown meat! As someone who works in a lab and is familiar with Bioprocessing, it's a goal of mine to live to see the most important stressors to the environment limited with the implementation of fixes like this! Obviously not an easy task and as with all things, a ton of testing is required, but the end product is totally worth it!
I totally support this idea and believe this will be the solution.
And corporations with government backing support your future... For your sake of course... ... ...
0:00: 🐔 Lab-grown meat offers a sustainable solution to the negative impacts of traditional animal farming.
3:29: 🥩 Raising meat has a high environmental cost and is inefficient in terms of energy conversion, but the human connection to meat is deeply rooted in our culture and history.
5:43: 🧪 Scientists are working on a way to produce meat in a lab that is more efficient and environmentally friendly.
8:18: 🍗 The taste and texture of cultivated chicken is almost indistinguishable from traditional chicken.
11:42: 🌱 Cultivated meat is a viable alternative to traditional meat production, but it faces challenges in terms of cost, energy source, and nutrient requirements.
14:26: ! Lab-grown meat receives USDA approval and people are curious about trying it.
Recap by Tammy AI
What would it take for me to try lab-grown chicken? Just access to the lab-grown chicken at a price point I can afford! I'm really excited about this development and would love to try it
Very interesting. I know the vegan options as meat alternatives aren’t really that healthy for you. What I’d like to see OSS a deep dive into how healthy this brew lab grown meat is. Do they use antibiotics, salt injections, etc. or is it basically organic?
Keep looking around for more information, the more perspectives, preferably unbiased ones, the better. Here's a video where you can start: th-cam.com/video/myX1uav1Kxk/w-d-xo.html Good luck on your quest for knowledge!
@@heydontjudgethe video you linked is clearly biased. Else why would there be such a clickbaity title? and nothing in the video has a source.
Chances are, there's no antibiotics in the lab-grown meat because they grow it in a sterile solution. No bugs, no need for antibiotics. There'll be no growth hormone, either, since it replicates handily on it's own with the right amount of sugars & nutrients.
🐣I love the idea of going towards a genetically grown meat product. This is only the beginning. We will get better at producing foods that are healthy for us and the environment. I can vision a product to provide us with more nutritional value per bite. Making the future us, healthier with a greener planet to live on. Great episode. Thank you Joe.
I would eat meat again in an instant if it was produced from cell culture. The technology is brand new. It should only improve and become more efficient as we learn