@tacosg4216 BMW engine cost more to maintain when in the shop. Customers usually leave their cars at the shop when they can't afford high bills. Plus our rates are cheaper than dealership.
@BenjaminIsrael10 older ones maybe. The b58 and s58 are one of the absolute strongest and reliable platforms to date. With aftermarket parts, you'll end up spending way more than the supra cost or any b58 platform. So maintenance cost will be marginal compared to what you'll end up spending on the Z just to break into the 10 second mark.
The Supra haters never fail to amuse Me! No matter who the Supra spanks over and over! They always find an excuse and discredit how bad ass of a car the MKV Supra is!
BIG time…. Lmao comon we all know it would have mopped those 2 without a problem! This video was made probably for all Supra fan boys and they had the audacity to throw in a dumb ass behind the wheel in the M2 😂
@@briansimpson5664 but the M2 should be faster from a roll. It destroyed a 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 in a roll race on throttle house, so I don’t understand why on this channel it can’t even pull past a Supra.
Yeah, I was stoked at first and was on my short list. Now,I feel bad for the Z. I thought these would sell like hotcakes but I’ve not seen hardly any on the road….proly because it gets smashed by every. single. competitor.
Love my 22 tuned m240i but make no mistake the S58 is head and shoulders above the B58 when it comes to basic tunabililty. You can keep the S58 engine completely stock and with nothing more than a flash and downpipe make well over 700 whp. You won’t make 550 with the b58 until you change the turbo.
I would take the Supra over both, I personally think it looks the best, the Z is a close second, but the performance to price ratio is just too good to pass on, the M2 is probably faster at the top end but low down it’s weight just holds it back meanwhile the Supra can put it’s power down really well which gives it a huge advantage, the Z seems to be more GT than full on sports car as compared to the Supra and M2
Not really. You’re limited to just over 500 whp with the b58 until you start changing turbo/fuel. The s58 will make over 700 whp with the stock turbos just a tune and DP. It’s been proven.
@@tacosg4216this is false. The cast pistons in the b58 are suspect when you go north of 600 whp. Plus you aren’t making that power with an aftermarket turbo.
Exactly what I’ve been thinking, that baby blue makes it look like a RC car with the cheap square intakes. The darker colour lets it all blend in together more
Supra is going to be running 3 B58's with spoon engines. And on top of that he just came into Harry's and he ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motec system exhaust.
Explain how the m2 beat the supra by a bus length and posted a 12.2 on Hagerty drag race? And is faster in every other race on youtube.. carwow m2 did an 11.9
I knew the Z would get destroyed, and that the Supra would be the winner. The M2 has very poor gearing which makes its low-end power delivery very odd and laggy. BMW sabotaged the manual for some odd reason. Fun video!
@@geemanbmw It's the gearing of the Supra that gives it that low-end snap. When there are no shifts happening, the M2 is pulling though, because ultimately it does have more power.
You don't buy a Z for it's outright performance or track use, you buy it as a classic Japanese-engineered manual tourer that's fun to drive on weekends and should prove reliable in the long run.
@@alengreen589 The S58 is better... In every aspect. B58 only has slightly better tuning cause of more aftermarket support. S58 is catching up very fast and is built 100x better.
Honestly that Nissan Z is the biggest rubbish I’ve ever seen that’s called sports car, it’s bad in drags it’s bad at cornering it’s bad at laptimes. It’s an absolute disappointment there was no effort by Nissan at all.
@@Foiiiii1 you are correct I did exaggerate out of disappointment, it’s not a bad car but I just expected a little more, I guess I’ll just have to wait for the Nismo.
@Chris G for sure. Had a friend test drive the M2 with manual, he liked it, but the manual wasn't as good as other manuals he has driven so he is ordering with auto.
that was the collective consensus that day as we checked out the cars, the black paint works really well on the new M2, unlike the baby blue paint offering.
I know 1 thing Nissan better get it right with the Nismo version because they're running out of excuses and to be totally honest this is absolutely unacceptable how bad the new Z is performance-wise compared to the Supra.
I don't understand why this guy has a channel. He can not drive. I can probably drive manual better than him and I've only touched manual twice in my life. Sam needs to learn how to drive his damn car. He's been in a mustang 5.0 and lost to Z. He's also managed to make a BMW M3 run a 13 second pass, and a Zl1 run a 12.5 second pass. That means that Zl1 is as fast as some people run the mustang, and that the M3 is slower than the mustang 5.0... This guy SUCKS at driving and doesn't deserve his channel. He's clueless about cars.
Man, that's crazy. I drove manuals for 10 years up until 2017. I definitely miss them. The last 7 cars I've had since then have all been automatic due to circumstances of other people needing to drive them from time to time. Currently I've got a GLC43 and a X3M, both automatics of course. But kind of shows the state of things.. Manuals for fun. Modern automatics to win.
Seems like the M2 might have been short shifting at the start to keep wheel spin down? That said, the Z is consistently uncompetitive. The new Z will make sense as a second owner car once the warranty is gone and you can tune it, etc.
Supra: "400 what? 453 who? How cute" M2: "BUT BUT I SHOULD WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get this dude out of the driver's seat!!!!!!!!!!" Z: "Lemme win something pleeeeeeeaaaaase"
I am sorry but that Z is terrible. I know the tires are bad and the manual transmission doesn’t help but it still is just so outdated and slow. There isn’t anything fun about sitting there and spinning. It is just slow and gets beaten by pretty much everything else.
@@LearningFast you can spend 30k$$ on it and it will eat that supra and m2 . that's the price difference between them. Btw are you living on a drag race track?
@@avis1978 If you mod it at all it will spin like crazy with anything but drag specific tires and yes I go to the Drag strip twice a month. I certainly wouldn’t want to take that Z to the track. It would be hopeless against other cars that turn a decent 60 foot time.
@@LearningFast so just get an extra set of tires like you said and I'm pretty sure you'll be fine. As a daily sport car the Z is good enough as is. 30k-35k it's a big price difference for 0.5sec 1/4
Less torque and also probably less or the same HP if they put them on a dyno since BMW underrates their cars for some reason (I'm guessing to protect the M cars). Also 200lbs.
I’m sure it will still lose to the Supra, and that’s coming from a huge Z fan, but I wish Sam would put a set of Michelins on it and see if it closes the gap. Also, Nissan should turn the wick up a little on that motor. There’s so much more power to be had from it. Aside from the GTR, Nissan has a habit of just letting their motors sit at the same power level for the duration of their use. That said I thnk it’s a great overall car at an affordable price in base form. Now bring back the sport package option. Base car with the bigger brakes, wheels and limited slip.
Racing 3 manual cars increases the variability of each cars performance compared with each other. I’d like to see the automatic versions raced. For example, my Veloster N with the DCT was a game changer as compared to the manual version. I’m curious to see if the Z would perform better. It was very disappointing to see it taken to gapplebees here. Not even close!
The z with its Mercedes 9g tranny will do even worst then the Supra with its famous zf8hp the only car that might beat the Supra is the m2 with the zf8hp with more ratio it should be to put its power advantage to good use it might offset the m2 weight disadvantage .
The Z continues to disappoint me in the performance department 🤦🏽♂️ but the looks are great.. The Z was made to make it your own I feel as far as performance modifications.... the Z has potential if you put the right mods in. I seen a channel on TH-cam this shop made 700hp or more & it was Crazy‼️ I'll take the Z home & work on it BUT MUCH RESPECT TO THE SUPRA THOUGH that's a Fine Machine they have
A lot of people holding the Z to this high standard. The supra and m2 are excellent cars, give them props. I know some will disagree but in general if you factor in the price they are pretty equalized in performance (again, factoring in price. A more expensive car should have better speed, performance, etc). Drive the new Z for yourself, it's fucking quick. I own one and it is something else. This being manuals makes it a harder comparison but the supra will win regardless. I guarantee you the Z is a more comfortable daily driver than the supra though, and it is my OPINION that the comfort is worth it to sacrifice mild performance deficits
Yup pathetic driver. M2 should win. Traction control should be set to 2 or 3 for the launches. Supra won’t make over 700 whp with a basic tune and downpipe either no other mods.
Fly to Canada and I’ll hand you the keys. Happy to let you show me how it’s done. When I’m spinning in 3rd on a loose surface to a faster 60ft and had to back off every shift 🤷🏼♂️ serious offer, come and get it keyboard warrior. The m2 is slower. Full stop.
The Z base price is a red herring, almost nobody will buy it, manual seat controls and no limited slip diff, those are a must and can only be had with the performance version. The base price is also only in black and they upcharge everything else. The performance trim starting price is $60k CDN if you don't want black. That makes more sense compared to the Supra at $72k CDN based on performance comparisons, both speed and handling.
@@tacosg4216 Proto spec has no upgrade over the cheaper performance spec. Also those prices are USD, here in Canada the gap between Supra 3.0 premium and Z performance is $15,000 lol
That damn Supra! 😂 It has the biggest set of balls!…. Eventually the M2 would catch up because of the horsepower, but in the everyday world it’s a blast! I have to clean up now….
It’s hilarious the amount of hate the Z gets even though it’s $20,000 cheaper then both the other cars. I’ll gladly spend the difference on better tires and a tune 😁
But the supra is the much better car out of the box. Lighter, faster, better engine that can make great power. The base Z lacks a lot of the things the supra comes standard with. It’s definitely a much more stripped down car, yeah it’s cheaper but you’ll probably be spending a good amount just to make it perform like the supra.(Keep in mind that the Performance Z starts right under 51k) The supra is faster in the straight & track due to it’s better handling/grip/less weight. The brakes as well as the transmission are also better. Motortrend themselves came to that conclusion as well.
@@dz_gt500 how about I put it like this, you get what you pay for. The Z was destined to be the underdog here due to pricing. This comparison is like putting the Supra against an m4 comp then people dogging the Supra for being slower and “worse” all around. It simply isn’t a “fair” comparison. However, it is useful to see what your money will get you
@@dz_gt500 That’s True, but the Z drives how a car should. You can actually feel the car as if it’s a being. The manual option helps the Supra in that case, but it only helps so much
Pricing is completely irrelevant in this market (US). A base model Z will be around 45-47 and end up being in the low 50s out the door. Nobody wants base models anyway, gotta have it all or nothing.
What happened to the supra killer Z? 😅😅. First they complained about auto (mkv) vs manual (z) and then they complained about "tires". What more excuses can we find in the box this time? Driver mod?! Too heavy?!
Sam you're great and I love the channel, but you should switch out drivers during some of the races to get a better sense of the cars/drivers. I believe you've done this on some vids.
My honest opinion that no one asked for would be the Nissan only because it’s a reimagined Japanese legend with a Japanese engine which to me speaks to long term reliability .
Those VR30s have had their fair share of problems in the Infiniti's. There were wastefgate issues that plagued a decent number of them. To make matters worse, to do any work on the turbos you have to drop the engine
As a supra owner, this was hilarious. What an embarrassing showing from the Z. Where are all of the shit talking Z fanboys now? 😂 Side note: you should've switched drivers.
Better to warm up the tires before the race. Need to switch drivers between the cars too as some manual drivers can clutch better than others. Dropping the clutch in between gears will make the car a bit slower.
@ThatR34Monster roll races will alleviate the need to warm up the tires but will not solve the issue between a more experienced manual driver vs a novice. Thus why I mentioned they need to circulate the drivers.
I’ve seen a dozen drag comparisons with these cars. This is the first one where the M2 doesn’t win by a good amount. It’s either fixed or the driver was awful.
M2 should be 11.9 @ 120...it'd be helpful to list MPH also to see who was going to come around on the top end. Supra's are usually around 114 mph so the m2 should be freight training it.
@@SamCarLegion 10k will bring it way fasta 2 sticky tires downpipe tune already bring the z to 11.8 i saw some videos just simple no intake no exhaust uperpipe etc just 2k
I’m assuming the M2 has a 3.08 which is the traditional I6 gearing. It might not be as effective here but it will be very strong in big power applications. I’d much rather have the M2 gearing over the supras.
I have a tuned 2020 Supra. Its stage 2 on MHD. About 440whp. Its alot of fun but just ordered the pure 800 turbo. Which is good for 500-800whp depending on mods. If bmw put the s58 in the supra it would be a game changer
The GR Supra is the new Top JDM-ish king of the road, before you start getting into Super Car territory. This is the average man super car. It beats Camaro SS, Charger 398's, Mustang Mach1's and anything else JDM right now. (GTR's are the low end supercar) Then you tune them and they are up there with Lambos, GTRs, and GT 350 and 500's. They a true new generation to the A80. Last time Germany and Japan got along this well was...
I’m a bmw fan (obviously) and sorry to say that while the Supra is a great deal the mach 1 will turn faster lap times. ZL1 LE will annihilate it. The M2 (the real bmw) with the S58 has the most potential here unless you want to completely rebuild the engine with beefed up forged everything including a new turbo. Only the S58 puts full weight bmw’s in the 9’s with basic tunes on stock tires.
Unpopular opinion: I would take the Z home. I love the other 2 as well, just the Z make sense.
Until you try to upgrade it and spend 15k$ just to run mid 10s lol when the supra just spent 5k$ (if that) to run the same
@tacosg4216 BMW engine cost more to maintain when in the shop. Customers usually leave their cars at the shop when they can't afford high bills. Plus our rates are cheaper than dealership.
@@tacosg4216 or $2.5k with the m2 and auto to run 9’s 🤣.
@BenjaminIsrael10 older ones maybe. The b58 and s58 are one of the absolute strongest and reliable platforms to date. With aftermarket parts, you'll end up spending way more than the supra cost or any b58 platform. So maintenance cost will be marginal compared to what you'll end up spending on the Z just to break into the 10 second mark.
I'll take my G42 M240i xDrive over the lot. Stock, it'll take them all from a dig. Slap on a JB4 and AA DP, and it'll probably take the rolls, too.
The Supra continues to disappoint everyone that doesnt own one
Spot on! 😂
Best comment. Could not agree anymore with you.
Those fools that hate on the Supra because of it's powertrain being BMW are missing out on a spectacular car!😂
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They hate the supra because they can't afford shit. Just on these comments talking crap driving their ford focus 😆😆😆
Seems like the best driver was in the Supra. You should consider switching drivers in between runs, it would make the results more interesting.
yeah lol, the driver in the M2 took him a lot to change the gears
@@worldisawesome6789 Exactly
That's the price when the owners drive their cars instead of proven journalists. There's always the driver factor, especially with a 6 speed manual.
That’s because he won 😂😂 otherwise you would have trashed him 😂
@@m3awd598 proven journalists? Which ones please? These owners race their cars more often in comparison to these “proven journalists” 😂
The Supra haters never fail to amuse Me! No matter who the Supra spanks over and over! They always find an excuse and discredit how bad ass of a car the MKV Supra is!
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BMW
Real BMW all day, M2 is the real winner.
I like BMW but I don't like to talk nonsense and compare BMW with this. BMW is in competition with Porsche, not to this...
@@hamzanukic9410 you do realize the Supra is a bmw right? Toyota simply designed the exterior and interior. Heck even the interior has bmw parts
M2 needs a driver mod.
BIG time…. Lmao comon we all know it would have mopped those 2 without a problem! This video was made probably for all Supra fan boys and they had the audacity to throw in a dumb ass behind the wheel in the M2 😂
He was sleeping on the first roll. that was almost painful to watch lol
Nope... The M2 keeps getting heavier and the Supra keeps getting lighter. 0-60 the Supra all day.. the quarter mile should have been a lot closer
@@briansimpson5664 but the M2 should be faster from a roll. It destroyed a 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 in a roll race on throttle house, so I don’t understand why on this channel it can’t even pull past a Supra.
100% needs a drivers mod 😂😂😂
The Z never ceases to keep disappointing. 😞
I agree. It's definitely outclassed. And definitely not worth the money they want for it
Yeah, I was stoked at first and was on my short list. Now,I feel bad for the Z. I thought these would sell like hotcakes but I’ve not seen hardly any on the road….proly because it gets smashed by every. single. competitor.
Yup, it also has the worst driving dynamics too. Overall an inferior car for the money.
It’s literally $20,000 cheaper than both of these cars and only .5 a second slower on inferior tires, what is disappointing about that? 🤔
@@Slibins was going to say the same thing; at $20k difference I thought the gap would be much much larger
B58 had done it again, I've test drove the new m240i and oh my god its so fast, the low end torque is insane, its a no brainer really
I agree. I have a 2022 m240i. It launches hard as hell. Very quick, especially when modded 😈
Love my 22 tuned m240i but make no mistake the S58 is head and shoulders above the B58 when it comes to basic tunabililty. You can keep the S58 engine completely stock and with nothing more than a flash and downpipe make well over 700 whp. You won’t make 550 with the b58 until you change the turbo.
@Bimmer_Bill that's true. I seen the same M2 you're talking about with the stage 2 tune, +255whp. Sick!
@@tacosg4216 yup!
The m2 has the S58 engine in it, slightly detuned from the m3/m4
I would take the Supra over both, I personally think it looks the best, the Z is a close second, but the performance to price ratio is just too good to pass on, the M2 is probably faster at the top end but low down it’s weight just holds it back meanwhile the Supra can put it’s power down really well which gives it a huge advantage, the Z seems to be more GT than full on sports car as compared to the Supra and M2
Bmw neefs a driver mod 😂
Also stock Supras make 400whp, around 450bhp.
Lighter, it makes more power in real life, and it’s sold with better tires.
@JZ Much better Transmission also. I own an auto the ZF is a monster its very quick.
Toyota😂😂😂 if you wanna embarass yourself with those asia crap
Brother, the z has to be the ugliest car released in the last couple of years.... Even tho BMW tried really hard to claim that title with the m2
Sam needs to drive a automatic. 😂
Unless you plan on tracking your car the b58 is just the no brainer. Working on these cars everyday makes me want a b58 more and more.
They are very strong can easily handle 800+whp reliably on a stock block with stock internals!
Not really. You’re limited to just over 500 whp with the b58 until you start changing turbo/fuel. The s58 will make over 700 whp with the stock turbos just a tune and DP. It’s been proven.
@@tacosg4216this is false. The cast pistons in the b58 are suspect when you go north of 600 whp. Plus you aren’t making that power with an aftermarket turbo.
@@Bimmer_Bill Also B58's need a built transmission if pushing anything above 550whp unlike Gx platforms
@Bimmer_Bill it's not false. My friends m340 handles 832 whp all day. Stock block, stock internals.
Nice to see a battle of the manuals for a change 🙌🏾
Wasn’t a fan of the new M2’s especially in that blue but it looks sooo much better in black and way more aggressive
Black is its best spec for sure
Exactly what I’ve been thinking, that baby blue makes it look like a RC car with the cheap square intakes. The darker colour lets it all blend in together more
Black is a bit more tolerable, but I'm still not a fan of the redesign. The previous design looks way better imo.
@@tizodd6 The previous design was the best design i've ever seen on BMWs. Actually better than most supercars. It's hard to out-do it.
@@tizodd6 i agree 100%. The M2 CS is one of my favorite BMWs ever created
The Supra "hooks" because its center of gravity is in the right place for the weight transfer onto the rear tires when it launches.
Now lets wait for the "supra is tuned" comments 🤫
Typical queer q boys excuses 😢
It's definitely running pure800 - z fans
Yup. And three turbos and two superchargers too! They upgraded the carburettor while they were at it.
Supra is going to be running 3 B58's with spoon engines. And on top of that he just came into Harry's and he ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motec system exhaust.
Explain how the m2 beat the supra by a bus length and posted a 12.2 on Hagerty drag race? And is faster in every other race on youtube.. carwow m2 did an 11.9
Supra dominates again.
Supra driver 👌🏻, not sure about the other 2
I knew the Z would get destroyed, and that the Supra would be the winner. The M2 has very poor gearing which makes its low-end power delivery very odd and laggy. BMW sabotaged the manual for some odd reason. Fun video!
Don't leave the driver out of the equation just saying
@@geemanbmw It's the gearing of the Supra that gives it that low-end snap. When there are no shifts happening, the M2 is pulling though, because ultimately it does have more power.
Not just that. The pretty big weight difference gives the supra a head up
You don't buy a Z for it's outright performance or track use, you buy it as a classic Japanese-engineered manual tourer that's fun to drive on weekends and should prove reliable in the long run.
So like 100 people would buy them if this was the sole purpose of the car lol
Lol cope some more, they need Nismo version of this but has to be priced around $56k-60k
vr30 and reliable don't belong in the same sentence
Nissans are not reliable I have a 370z to show 🤣
Idk why u would buy a Z in the first place those cars are ugly af & slow for what you are paying.
They need a new driver for that M2 😂
He was absolutely useless.
yeah the B58 Turbo engine is maybe the best inline 6 of the World.
But it’s definitely not
@@mogulme6190 can you show me a other 3 L 6 Cyl. Turbo or TT engine with more performance?
@@alengreen589 S58
@@alengreen589 The S58 is better... In every aspect. B58 only has slightly better tuning cause of more aftermarket support. S58 is catching up very fast and is built 100x better.
@@SeeFlow-bo1dl yes and cost only a few $ more
Honestly that Nissan Z is the biggest rubbish I’ve ever seen that’s called sports car, it’s bad in drags it’s bad at cornering it’s bad at laptimes. It’s an absolute disappointment there was no effort by Nissan at all.
It's not a bad car by any means, just overpriced for what it is.
@@Foiiiii1 you are correct I did exaggerate out of disappointment, it’s not a bad car but I just expected a little more, I guess I’ll just have to wait for the Nismo.
Excellent comparison. Love the production. Kudos.
Supra fanboy checking in 🎉
B58 + Michelins are too good. That being said, I'd rather get the M2, it's more practical and better top end for almost the same price
The new m2 is better with the auto. The manual isn't that great.
@@tacosg4216 M2 Automatic all day if I got one
rather have a nice looking slow car than that hideous looking m2
An M2 is considerably more money than a Supra
@Chris G for sure. Had a friend test drive the M2 with manual, he liked it, but the manual wasn't as good as other manuals he has driven so he is ordering with auto.
Yes. Back to cars that make noises.👍
Wow the m2 looks great in black hides all those ugly body lines 😍
that was the collective consensus that day as we checked out the cars, the black paint works really well on the new M2, unlike the baby blue paint offering.
thats no baby blue. I know BMW baby blue, and its not that ugly.. Thats the ugliest blue ever
When the Supra gets the S58 motor, that car is going to be insane!
yea and is going to cost triple
I know 1 thing Nissan better get it right with the Nismo version because they're running out of excuses and to be totally honest this is absolutely unacceptable how bad the new Z is performance-wise compared to the Supra.
I think you should start stating what tires the cars are running as well. Good race as always keep it up!
The Z doesn't come with good tires in the first place. But it's not in the same class of cars any ways!
Like someone said, Sam need to drive a car in random. Sam is always in the losing car, so it easy to identify the outcome
Yeeeaaa… you said what I was thinking. Lol. Of course the Supra would still win, but I don’t think the gap would be as huge.
I don't understand why this guy has a channel. He can not drive. I can probably drive manual better than him and I've only touched manual twice in my life. Sam needs to learn how to drive his damn car. He's been in a mustang 5.0 and lost to Z. He's also managed to make a BMW M3 run a 13 second pass, and a Zl1 run a 12.5 second pass. That means that Zl1 is as fast as some people run the mustang, and that the M3 is slower than the mustang 5.0... This guy SUCKS at driving and doesn't deserve his channel. He's clueless about cars.
That M2 looks brutally beautiful ❤
bsm is the color for that car....auto roasts both those cars regardless of weight
@@rd5140well said 👏
You need to go see the eye doctor
@@rd5140 agreed
The rear looks good, but overall it looks bulky and boxy.
Great cars
The b58 has excellent low end start of the hit
The s58 is good too ( can’t put the power down though) but it has better legs
Man, that's crazy. I drove manuals for 10 years up until 2017. I definitely miss them. The last 7 cars I've had since then have all been automatic due to circumstances of other people needing to drive them from time to time. Currently I've got a GLC43 and a X3M, both automatics of course. But kind of shows the state of things.. Manuals for fun. Modern automatics to win.
What would of been interesting if you switched drivers especially switching the M2 driver with the Supra driver just to see
The gap was so big it wouldn't have made a difference
@ianbrowning2204 you must be slow.
The m2 should gap the supra by miles… Its a faster car overall…
@@SeeFlow-bo1dl By miles? Lol. I could see either pulling the lead, depending on the driver, but neither is winning by a huge gap
@@tizodd6 The M2 has 100 more hp and a way faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile.
Seems like the M2 might have been short shifting at the start to keep wheel spin down? That said, the Z is consistently uncompetitive. The new Z will make sense as a second owner car once the warranty is gone and you can tune it, etc.
Supra: "400 what? 453 who? How cute"
M2: "BUT BUT I SHOULD WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get this dude out of the driver's seat!!!!!!!!!!"
Z: "Lemme win something pleeeeeeeaaaaase"
Would be good to see trap speed at the end. Also a test with all same tyres
that supra knows how to shift!
I love the Z, always have but the new Z sounds like an angry vacuum where as the new Supra and BMW sound great.
I threw on a invidia catback on my proto spec and it sounds amazing.
@@PikaQPika I had a Stillen CBE and AMS Ldp on my Q50, and it sounded great. However, when my Supra was stock it sounded as good as my modified Q.
@@PikaQPika have you uploaded with your new CBE?
@@NismoSupra Sure just uploaded a vid
@@PikaQPika cool, sounds good. Still have stock down pipes?
Are you doing the no-lift-shift on the Z400?
Still would rather have the Z over those two BMWs
I am sorry but that Z is terrible. I know the tires are bad and the manual transmission doesn’t help but it still is just so outdated and slow. There isn’t anything fun about sitting there and spinning. It is just slow and gets beaten by pretty much everything else.
It needs tires badly. Other than that it’s fantastic
@@SamCarLegion you can stick whatever tire you want on it and it still won’t be quick. That isn’t the only problem with this car.
@@LearningFast you can spend 30k$$ on it and it will eat that supra and m2 . that's the price difference between them. Btw are you living on a drag race track?
@@avis1978 If you mod it at all it will spin like crazy with anything but drag specific tires and yes I go to the Drag strip twice a month. I certainly wouldn’t want to take that Z to the track. It would be hopeless against other cars that turn a decent 60 foot time.
@@LearningFast so just get an extra set of tires like you said and I'm pretty sure you'll be fine. As a daily sport car the Z is good enough as is. 30k-35k it's a big price difference for 0.5sec 1/4
Wow! That Supra continues to amaze me. Justifies the Price difference over the Z. Just hard to believe how far behind the Z was with more HP.
Less torque and also probably less or the same HP if they put them on a dyno since BMW underrates their cars for some reason (I'm guessing to protect the M cars). Also 200lbs.
Driver mod needed more than anything else.
400z is priced higher than the Supra in most markets, car market is insane
Sam is a terrible driver, almost every car he drives loses.
Lmao. The bmw m2 does a 11.9 quarter mile on carwow and beats the supra by a bus length in hagerty race.. This was just a driving skill issue tbh
I like the hate that the supra has that’s why I want one. People really sleeping on on big time.
I wonder does the Z have esc/traction control turned off or on?
If it’s Z or the TLX type S in the title I know they losing
😂😂😂😂
Haha 💯 facts!
The supra just looks so bad ass 🔥🔥
Unfortunately the one thing I will point out, people will hate on it, auto Supra would be even faster.
The bmw driver does not know how to drive a manual
Supra is such an excellent VFM overall. BTW which watch are you wearing?
An Oris I believe
@@VeeElJay Could be but i haven't seen any Oris with those Chrono Pushers. Could be a Longines Record or Heritage.
I’m sure it will still lose to the Supra, and that’s coming from a huge Z fan, but I wish Sam would put a set of Michelins on it and see if it closes the gap. Also, Nissan should turn the wick up a little on that motor. There’s so much more power to be had from it. Aside from the GTR, Nissan has a habit of just letting their motors sit at the same power level for the duration of their use. That said I thnk it’s a great overall car at an affordable price in base form. Now bring back the sport package option. Base car with the bigger brakes, wheels and limited slip.
Manual vs dct?
Damn Sam u just put together all of the cars that I am a fiend for great line up
I knew the z didn't have a chance
seriously?wich momy drive the M2?
and why we cant see the inside of the BMW🤔🤔🤔
Something strange in this drag…
Nice vid 👌🏻
Love how the Z stays true to Nissan. You only buy it because you couldn’t afford the better car.
Sam, you have so many couch 🛋️ racing drivers here. You should get some of these fast drivers to race 😂😂
That’s the price you pay for uploading on the internet- everyone is a racing driver.
Racing 3 manual cars increases the variability of each cars performance compared with each other. I’d like to see the automatic versions raced. For example, my Veloster N with the DCT was a game changer as compared to the manual version. I’m curious to see if the Z would perform better. It was very disappointing to see it taken to gapplebees here. Not even close!
The z with its Mercedes 9g tranny will do even worst then the Supra with its famous zf8hp the only car that might beat the Supra is the m2 with the zf8hp with more ratio it should be to put its power advantage to good use it might offset the m2 weight disadvantage .
That was a perfect example of total Suprariority over the Z!
The Z continues to disappoint me in the performance department 🤦🏽♂️ but the looks are great.. The Z was made to make it your own I feel as far as performance modifications.... the Z has potential if you put the right mods in. I seen a channel on TH-cam this shop made 700hp or more & it was Crazy‼️ I'll take the Z home & work on it BUT MUCH RESPECT TO THE SUPRA THOUGH that's a Fine Machine they have
A lot of people holding the Z to this high standard. The supra and m2 are excellent cars, give them props. I know some will disagree but in general if you factor in the price they are pretty equalized in performance (again, factoring in price. A more expensive car should have better speed, performance, etc).
Drive the new Z for yourself, it's fucking quick. I own one and it is something else. This being manuals makes it a harder comparison but the supra will win regardless. I guarantee you the Z is a more comfortable daily driver than the supra though, and it is my OPINION that the comfort is worth it to sacrifice mild performance deficits
If the M2 driver is the owner he definitely doesn't deserve it
Agreed
Why?
Yup pathetic driver. M2 should win. Traction control should be set to 2 or 3 for the launches. Supra won’t make over 700 whp with a basic tune and downpipe either no other mods.
Fly to Canada and I’ll hand you the keys. Happy to let you show me how it’s done.
When I’m spinning in 3rd on a loose surface to a faster 60ft and had to back off every shift 🤷🏼♂️
serious offer, come and get it keyboard warrior. The m2 is slower. Full stop.
@@ndacosta2 How is the m2 slower?
The Z base price is a red herring, almost nobody will buy it, manual seat controls and no limited slip diff, those are a must and can only be had with the performance version. The base price is also only in black and they upcharge everything else.
The performance trim starting price is $60k CDN if you don't want black. That makes more sense compared to the Supra at $72k CDN based on performance comparisons, both speed and handling.
Supra still wins as it's cheaper to upgrade with aftermarket parts compared to the Z. The Z is way outclassed here
@@tacosg4216 but the Supra is definitely more expensive to buy so you're already spending upfront.
@Artem Nissan z proto specializes cost 52k$ usd. The supra gr cost 53k$ usd and the m2 cost 62k$. Sooo
@@tacosg4216 Proto spec has no upgrade over the cheaper performance spec. Also those prices are USD, here in Canada the gap between Supra 3.0 premium and Z performance is $15,000 lol
@Yasha yes it does.
Comes with lsd where the base model Z does not. Thats all I know off hand lol.
Thats sucks for you guys
The Z better have a bigger variant of its engine in the next coming years similar to how the 350z had DE and HR because it’s just disappointing.
That damn Supra! 😂 It has the biggest set of balls!…. Eventually the M2 would catch up because of the horsepower, but in the everyday world it’s a blast! I have to clean up now….
LET'S ROLL 👊🏼
It’s hilarious the amount of hate the Z gets even though it’s $20,000 cheaper then both the other cars. I’ll gladly spend the difference on better tires and a tune 😁
But the supra is the much better car out of the box. Lighter, faster, better engine that can make great power. The base Z lacks a lot of the things the supra comes standard with. It’s definitely a much more stripped down car, yeah it’s cheaper but you’ll probably be spending a good amount just to make it perform like the supra.(Keep in mind that the Performance Z starts right under 51k) The supra is faster in the straight & track due to it’s better handling/grip/less weight. The brakes as well as the transmission are also better. Motortrend themselves came to that conclusion as well.
@@dz_gt500 how about I put it like this, you get what you pay for. The Z was destined to be the underdog here due to pricing. This comparison is like putting the Supra against an m4 comp then people dogging the Supra for being slower and “worse” all around. It simply isn’t a “fair” comparison. However, it is useful to see what your money will get you
@@dz_gt500 That’s True, but the Z drives how a car should. You can actually feel the car as if it’s a being.
The manual option helps the Supra in that case, but it only helps so much
Pricing is completely irrelevant in this market (US). A base model Z will be around 45-47 and end up being in the low 50s out the door. Nobody wants base models anyway, gotta have it all or nothing.
@@dz_gt500 i don't think that the Supra has 382 hp out of the box
What happened to the supra killer Z? 😅😅. First they complained about auto (mkv) vs manual (z) and then they complained about "tires". What more excuses can we find in the box this time? Driver mod?! Too heavy?!
Wow the manual supra is fast , its almost like they gave it extra power
I speculate less drivetrain loss, I could be wrong
Sam you're great and I love the channel, but you should switch out drivers during some of the races to get a better sense of the cars/drivers. I believe you've done this on some vids.
Switch drivers? Maybe the owners don’t want their cars to be driven by others? I wouldn’t
My honest opinion that no one asked for would be the Nissan only because it’s a reimagined Japanese legend with a Japanese engine which to me speaks to long term reliability .
That don't mean shit. The engines are crap in the Nissan. The B58 is king. Bow down
Those VR30s have had their fair share of problems in the Infiniti's. There were wastefgate issues that plagued a decent number of them. To make matters worse, to do any work on the turbos you have to drop the engine
On hagerty drag race M2 wins on Supra by far…I believed it’s the driver makes the difference in manual battle.
Imagine if the Supra driver brake boosted the roll runs... that gap would be even wider...
As a supra owner, this was hilarious. What an embarrassing showing from the Z. Where are all of the shit talking Z fanboys now? 😂
Side note: you should've switched drivers.
I own the same supra... the thing is a beast haha. I believe it has more hp than what's on paper...
Are any of them modified? Or stock for stock
M2 has only exhaust
Better to warm up the tires before the race. Need to switch drivers between the cars too as some manual drivers can clutch better than others. Dropping the clutch in between gears will make the car a bit slower.
Hence why he did the roll races
@ThatR34Monster roll races will alleviate the need to warm up the tires but will not solve the issue between a more experienced manual driver vs a novice. Thus why I mentioned they need to circulate the drivers.
B58 is 🤴
Good cars on this channel, but the level of inconsistency with the drivers/testing makes many of the races invalid.
I’ve seen a dozen drag comparisons with these cars. This is the first one where the M2 doesn’t win by a good amount. It’s either fixed or the driver was awful.
One pair of hands for the nissan driver
Supra >
Why were the rear breaks on the M2 engaging during the drag races? Maybe try turning traction control off or putting the parking break down lol.
M2 should be 11.9 @ 120...it'd be helpful to list MPH also to see who was going to come around on the top end. Supra's are usually around 114 mph so the m2 should be freight training it.
It weighs as much as a freight train
Really? Supra’s typically run low 12s right around 118mph.
Hagerty race shows u just need a good driver. It obliterated the supra
for 20k less I'll gladly be last place in this race lol
You can spend 10k to make it faster
@@SamCarLegion 10k will bring it way fasta 2 sticky tires downpipe tune already bring the z to 11.8 i saw some videos just simple no intake no exhaust uperpipe etc just 2k
@@GODiscomingsoonagain 11.8 is what the Supra and M2 are doing bone stock
Supra ❤
That guy in the supra is a cool dude.
I think the driver in the M2 needs a little more practice with his car, because it shouldn’t be losing at all.
I’m assuming the M2 has a 3.08 which is the traditional I6 gearing.
It might not be as effective here but it will be very strong in big power applications. I’d much rather have the M2 gearing over the supras.
EXCELLENT comment
3.46
@@toddstevens8506 thank you, I forgot the Ms have higher final drive
@@rocavelli20 Final drive is 3.46
@@toddstevens8506 The non-m I6 turbos have always had 3.08 so I was confused
GR Supra is the best new BMW
Sam shifts so slowly. Let the owner drive his own car.
I have a tuned 2020 Supra. Its stage 2 on MHD. About 440whp. Its alot of fun but just ordered the pure 800 turbo. Which is good for 500-800whp depending on mods. If bmw put the s58 in the supra it would be a game changer
would never happen….
That BMW tuned by Toyota never disappoints. Supra ftw
Tuned by Toyota 😂😂
Damn, I was really hoping the Z would show us something….. looks great though.
Sam - do we need to do a kickstarter to get him some tires?! Just some basic ps4s's would easily shave off a half to FULL second....
This was a press car - i can’t upgrade tires
Wasnt there an m2 with like 600hp or more?
Z for the price alone wins in my book
If u can find one
Still I would choose the Z
On serious note! The BMW driver needs to grab some popcorn 🍿 and let that wheel for someone else! 💯
I'll take a Bmw M240i over the M2 faster especially with a tune and all wheel drive.
The GR Supra is the new Top JDM-ish king of the road, before you start getting into Super Car territory. This is the average man super car. It beats Camaro SS, Charger 398's, Mustang Mach1's and anything else JDM right now. (GTR's are the low end supercar) Then you tune them and they are up there with Lambos, GTRs, and GT 350 and 500's. They a true new generation to the A80. Last time Germany and Japan got along this well was...
But it was defeated by tuned Genesis g70 and the Supra was also turned as well.. check it on TH-cam
Lmao no
I’m a bmw fan (obviously) and sorry to say that while the Supra is a great deal the mach 1 will turn faster lap times. ZL1 LE will annihilate it. The M2 (the real bmw) with the S58 has the most potential here unless you want to completely rebuild the engine with beefed up forged everything including a new turbo. Only the S58 puts full weight bmw’s in the 9’s with basic tunes on stock tires.
Uh the supra can’t beat a 10 speed SS or GT in a roll race, the supra also won’t beat the SS 1LE on the track either so
Dumb? EVIDENCE. Search it. Supra 21 and up demolishes a silly ss.