Is a Salt-Free Water Softener Worth It? - Angel Water, Inc
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- Are you thinking about purchasing a salt-free water softener? We want to help you make sure you're making the right decision. In this video, Andrew lays out the pros and cons of going salt-free.
Angel Water, Inc. is dedicated to educating people and finding solutions to provide access to safe water. “Safer, Softer, Water for Life” is more than our slogan, it is our mission.
We offer water filtration products and services for clients in Algonquin, Arlington Heights, Barrington, Barrington Hills, South Barrington, Port Barrington, Lake Barrington, Buffalo Grove, Carpentersville, Cary, Chicago, Crystal Lake, Des Plaines, Elgin, Elk Grove Village, Evanston, Fox River Grove, Fox Lake, Hanover Park, Hoffman Estates, Inverness, Island Lake, Kildeer, Lake Bluff, Lake Forest, Lake Zurich, Lake in the Hills, Lincolnshire, Long Grove, Mettawa, Mount Prospect, Mt Prospect, North Barrington, Palatine, Prairie Grove, Rockford, Rolling Meadows, Round Lake, Schaumburg, Streamwood, Wauconda, Wheeling, Winnetka, Woodstock, and all other surrounding communities.
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What about the salt free system with two tanks? One with the carbon media and the 2nd tank for conditioning the water
Finally a clear explanation, thank you
You're welcome! Glad it helped!
Thanks for the info! i was going to replace my salt softener with one of these conditioners. Your info has helped me change my mind. One thing i have not heard anyone discuss in these comparison videos is the effects on health of adding salt to water. Cheers!
Thanks for your comment! We're glad we could help!
You really aren't adding any significant amount of salt to the water. If your water tastes salty, you're using too much salt. The sodium is created when it regenerates, but quickly dissipates. So it's possible that right after regeneration, the water may have slightly more sodium content, but it shouldn't be enough for you, or anyone else to notice.
Great video, I tell people all the time with the same info. We have removed so many soft free systems.
Thanks! We're glad we're not alone in our fight against misleading salt-free systems.
what's the best on the market ?
I knew it couldn't work. Thanks for confirming my skepticism.
We're glad you found our video helpful, John. Thanks for watching!
I have a very big water tank. I think the saltless system would be good for me, but, after the water is treated, does it stay treated, or does it go back to as before, after it has been stored for a week or so?
I been a water treatment specialist for 17 years. This is a great video. I sell similar product but I too I’m very clear on this product. This is a great option for low hardness areas I have some communities that have 2 or 3 grains hardness at the incoming so it’s a great for these folks..
Hey Iggy! Thanks for reply. It's great helping people be healthier and happier isn't it?
Thank you for being honest. I found your video very helpful. Heard all the "benefits" you mentioned on reviews. Glad I came across your channel.
You're welcome, Elsa! We're glad you found the video helpful.
I just bought a house and have a water conditioning system for the first time. This video is very informative but i live in northeast NJ. How often do you have to change the filter tank of a salt system? My salt tank is heavily bridged. Just cleaned it out. I think i need to change the conditioning tank. Do they clog and need to be changed?
Thank you for reaching out to us regarding your current water softener. Yes, the resin tank does need to be cleaned out and new resin installed about every 10 years. Keep in mind that a water softener also removes radium from the water which is common throughout the United States. FYI the resin tank typically does not get clogged just the resin (filter material) gets old and loses its ability to work.
Quick question. Can you have water softener and conditioner in series?
Great information, thank you. My question, is it overkill to add a saltless tank system (getting for free) add it before a salt water softener?
curious to
I can buy in my area some "cationic resin filter" that should last like 6 months, as advertised. Is this a water softener where you replace the filter instead of regenerating it with salt? Or is it still a water conditioner? Thanks!
Can a salt free system be used to reduce any calcium built up on pool tiles? I have been told that the “agent” causes calcium to stick less (not not stick) on pool tile. Is that true? Also, are all non salt systems or is one better for this purpose.
Andy, thanks for the info. i am in the UK our waters are harder than you. this info has help me
You're welcome! Glad we could help!
Salt-free softeners don’t exist. These are more like de-scalers or water conditioners. These are not meant to “soften” the water. They simply crystallize the minerals and eliminate calcium build-up on faucets and shower heads, glass doors, etc. Adding a de-scaler to the inlet side of your water heater cold supply line would be a great place for one of these. I don’t like softeners due to the maintenance of adding salt, and they cost a lot compared to de-scalers.
Hi, thanks for the comment. I'm curious though, why does the video says that it only prevents scale inside the pipes, but according to your experience it seems like it prevents scale buildup on shower heads and faucets as well? This is honestly the only benefit I'm looking for in a softener/conditioner system, as long as I can prevent all that water stains and clogged shower heads, I'd be incredibly satisfied.
Crickets!@@shuyangs
I want a ecowater system can you recommend me which one thx
Understand the difference completely in both system . Thanks
You're welcome! We're glad you found it helpful.
Does mold build up in these salt free water softeners??
This guy is a salesman for water softeners. I have a salt free softener that works very well. My water is off the charts for hardness, and all my chrome and glass sparkles in my house. I can drink my water now. That never was possible before (for around 20yrs). This man perhaps means well, but obviously hasn't seen the device I have.
Our water is also VERY hard, our softener uses 20 bags of salt per month, which salt free system did you buy? We have a filter, UV light, softener, RO and then another softener, we have over 900 particle solids and harness over 50, I would like a salt free system to use before or after our current softener to reduce salt usage, it is a new home and our previous well only used 1 bag of salt per month, we didn't know how good we had it
if you heard him he said not only do they sell the saltless systems, but he is absolutely correct. the "next" media will prevent scale but if you tested you water after it, it will still be hard. you can not and will never be able to get calcium out of your water without a brine solution and backwash. If im wrong, message me and i will personally send you a real water softener. I am the manufactuer that most people get their systems from to resale.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Gene, but we would like to clarify that we aren't just a salesman for salt-based water softeners. We also sell salt-free systems because, as we mention in the video, they are effective at removing scale from plumbing. However, we made this video because we wanted to make sure our customers are aware of what they can't do. By definition, salt-free water softeners cannot remove the bedrock in the water that causes water hardness because they need salt to do that. So, a salt-free system may improve your water slightly, but it simply cannot prevent water hardness. We hope that clarifies our point.
@@rosew5816 If you are still looking for the right system for your home and you live in the Chicago area, feel free to give us a call at 847-382-78800. Our water treatment experts would be happy to help you determine the perfect system for your home. Thanks for watching our video!
@@julietarlton4750 Thanks for watching and for your support!
Hi, so what would you recommend to get all this benefits that the water softener doesn’t? Drinking water, soft skin, appliances etc. thanks!
Thanks for asking. We would recommend a regular water softener to get all the benefits you mentioned and more. You can learn more here: angelwater.com/water-purifying-systems/water-softeners/
@@AngelWater great
Should I hook up my new salt free system along with my traditional system? Would using both systems be beneficial?
No. A salt-free system sequesters the hardness minerals, which makes it impossible for them to be removed via the ion exchange process in the salt-based softener. On the other hand, a salt-based softener makes a salt-free softener moot because it removes those specific minerals the salt-free system targets. But depending on which type of salt-free system you have, this direction may differ. But the bottom line is having both is pointless.
@Jonathan Puga Very true!
Thanks for this video. I still have a couple questions that I'm hoping you can steer me in the right direction. We live in a 1300sf condo. Our home has really bad hard water, lines the toilets, covers the glass showers and cakes up on our faucets. We are planning to turn this into a rental one day. We also have a tankless water heater. My goal is to extend the life of our water heater and appliances without breaking the bank as we are going to be renting this out. What I'm looking for is an investment that will somewhat hold over time. I am seriously considering the watts OnePlus premier conditioner because it's $550 at home depot. Do you think it's a waste of money to install this system? I really don't want to buy another water heater every 5 years. Is there a salt system that's as economical as the one in considering? I don't know what to do.
Hello Sae, it's difficult to guess from sitting behind the computer how much calcium, iron or other elements are in your water, the size of your plumbing and the type of pipe used. My concern is the equipment you mentioned might not be adequate or would get clogged easily and reduce or restrict water pressure. I'm happy to talk to you over the phone to give you the best advice for your project. I'm available at 847-312-9431, my name is David Kaiser.
That said, the equipment you mentioned is very expensive for what it is at $550 when only 47% of the people online recommend it and the filter replacement combo pack is $330. By year 3 this system with the scheduled filter changes actually costs $1,098 for mediocre performance. You mentioned that you want to prevent scale buildup on the shower stall. This unit only claims to prevent buildup inside the plumbing and you would have to heavily clean the shower stall and faucets.
Understandably investors want their investment properties to be as hands off as possible but even with this device you have to change a filter every year or multiple times a year if you water is truly bad and beyond the specifications of this proposed system. One of the things I do for people is test their water. If you send me a sample in a water bottle I can test it to give you the best guidance possible. It's my pleasure to make sure you have clean healthy water and to protect your investment.
I have a water softner and the water doesn't feel slippery. But when I had the water tested the test said that it wasn't hard. Also after we take showers we itch and breakout with rashes. Any ideas or solutions? The company I purchased the water softner from doesn't have a clue.
Is it a well or a municipal water supply? It could be because of the chlorine or chloramine your city uses to treat its water, which can dry your skin out (city supplied). If you are on a well, then there are a number of things that could contribute. But if your company that installed it has no direction to point you in, your first step should be to contact a third party lab that does extensive water testing. See what the water make-up is first (raw), and that will dictate what needs to be addressed. You will also want to ensure all the programming on the installed softener is set correctly to what the hardness of your raw water is.
I sell both water softeners and water conditioners as well. FINALLY, somebody online telling the truth! Nice job! Is so annoying listening to people lie about water conditioners. Calling them salt free water softeners. Absolute false advertising. Finally, the truth!
Thanks, Jason! We're glad you enjoyed the video.
Yes, I am a filtration manufactuer and so glad he knows!
I'm looking at buying a home with an operating water softener that is salt based. The water at this house is 521ppm with visible iron clouded in the water. Can I use a non sale based system or must I continue to use the salt based system?
Billy, I love your last name. Ha ha ha. A salt-based system is most likely going to benefit you the most. 521 ppm is a lot of stuff in the water. The majority of that ppm is likely calcium. You want a thorough test on your water so you know exactly how hard the water is. Is salt free product is best for somebody who is on very soft water. Most salt free systems also do not have a backwashing control valve which flushes and cleans the filter material. With a lot of stuff in your water you need to have that. I hope this helps. Have a great day.
All I want is to prevent calcium scaling. Except for that, our water is fine.
Hi Andy, h r u? Thank for explain , very easy to understand
What’s the better brand soft waterproof out there?
Thanks, Huynh. We recommend a trusted brand like EcoWater to get the job done right. You can learn more about the EcoWater water softeners we sell here: angelwater.com/water-purifying-systems/water-softeners/
What water softener system do you recommend for a family of 4 (2 adults, 2 kids). We live in Houston TX. We have city water.
Hey AZAMSHARP. My brother lives in Huston! You can reach out to Depure Water who helped him out. I love removing chlorine out of the water as well as the calcium. You may want to ask them about an Ecowater ERR3702. This is a NSF 44 Certified water softener that is made in America. Ecowater in Minnesota builds this system vs most are now made in China. Unfortunately we find the Chinese stuff is not NSF 44 certified and it stops performing after about 4 years. The Ecowater product tends to last over 10 years! So depending on your budget and how long you plan on living at the home, you can choose accordingly. Don't forget to get a Reverse Osmosis System for you and those kids. You can go to www.ewg.org to see what is in your water. When you see the contaminants listed I assure you you will want to find a system to remove those contaminants for your beautiful kids. Ecowater has a HERO385 which is certified to remove most that are in Huston's water. GOOD LUCK
Angel Water, Inc. thank you so much for all this information. God bless
Wow. Refreshing video. I couldn't find anything but marketing fluff.
Thanks! We're glad you liked the video!
Hi. How does the salt-free water softener prevent scale within the pipes? What is the proposed mechanism? Thank you.
The process of a salt-free water softener media use water flow to naturally prevent limescale build up. The process takes hard water (calcium and magnesium) and transforms the ions into microscopic nanocrystals. This suspends the particles so that it cannot “stick” or cause scale while the water travels through. When a water softening system is installed, it will stop your pipes from clogging any further due to hard water residue scale. The limescale will gradually begin clearing out as softer water consistently runs through your pipes.
This is accurate. I have a salt-less, and I'm replacing it with the salt version.
Good to hear! Thanks for watching!
Good thing I found this video, definitely appreciate your comment as well!
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What about Evo Whole House Water Filter & Salt Free Softner Combo.
How about the lawn, Is the plants, flowers, and grass will kill with this salt water when use? Also, can i use it to my aquarium? Im actually using regular water for my aquarium.
I am not in the water business, but have lived in the country for years. Normally when a water softener is installed, it is installed so just inside water is softened. There really is no need to soften outside water to the best of my knowledge.
Thanks for your question! Unsoftened water should not hurt your outdoor plants, so you should not need a water softener for that. As for your aquarium, we would recommend asking an aquarium expert whether the altered soft water will be okay for your particular types of fish.
Angel Water, Inc. how much is the whole system?
@@nashorn07 The answer to that question really depends on the type of system you would like to purchase. Please visit our website (angelwater.com/) or give us a call at (847) 382-7800 to learn more about options and pricing.
Wow a very honest and accurate explanation.
Thanks! We're glad you found it helpful.
What are your thoughts on the Life Source water system. Are they also like the tanks you were talking about in the video behind you?
That’s what I’d like to know as well. They have the carbon filter and the scale solver package option.
@@shockwave1126 I never heard back from them so I went ahead and purchased the Life Source system. When I use the TDS reader it does show a resection in sediments but the water hasn’t gotten softer or taste better. Life Source for me in Santa Clarita, CA is not worth getting. I still use Zero Water to filter my water and that does a fantastic job of cleaning and making the water taste better.
Just so we’re clear folks. The concerns that this unit delivers are the concerns you should have. First and foremost. To get the other benefits, just install local/dedicated filters appropriate for their application.
Absolutely! And make sure the unit has NSF certification too!
Does a salt based system ahead of the hot water tank ruin the tank? I’ve replaced 3 hot water tanks in 8 years after they developed leaks. Tank Manufacture says it’s due to the having the water softener system that is 8 years old.
No it does not ruin it, you either need an expansion tank which is why your water heaters are getting leaks, or your water softener is old and there is too much sodium residual getting into the plumbing and water heater. A good working water softener is going to protect a water heater, not ruin it.
@@AngelWater thanks that’s what I thought. The softener is 7 years old. The last tank for sure was rusted out in 3 years. What is the acceptable level of salt from a softener? Thnx! This is so frustrating.
However their are actual salt free units that do truly descale and do great job filtering contaminants metals chlorine etc and leave good minerals too though...i get paid install salt or non salt either get paid same way but even i have had admit last few years specially in Arizona that theirs a unit that is non salt and does great job cause I tried very hard to prove it wrong...and because of that system ive personally removed well over 245 salt systems last 16 months alone for this non salt system ...... I do like the video though truthully and the fact you dont bash non salt systems outright like most softner companies do
ricky becklund I live in AZ as well and I'm considering a salt free conditioner, What system are you referring too?
@@bobatbilletcreations do you have email ?
@@bobatbilletcreations if not email me at ricky.becklund@gmail.com
Thanks, Ricky. We're glad you enjoyed our video.
what salt free system do you recommend?
Whats your opinion on puronics goodspring bws?😊
Danime, I'm not sure what you're using this filter for but it is not an SF 44 listed. This means the manufacturer did not submit it to independent not-for-profit to test their claims. National Sanitation Foundation tests products and compares them to the claims the manufacturer makes. This system also does not have a control valve which means you will have to replace the filter material on a regular basis. If you'd like to reply and let me know what you're using this for I'd be happy to give you a more accurate opinion. Have a great day!
Angel Water, Inc. just as a water conditioner.. to minimize scaling and help with skin when bathing?😀
I called Angel Water about 4 months ago. They put me on hold, then never answered.
Eh, ionized solutions will always be more effective, but are they efficient? Conditioning systems make a lot more sense for city solutions. Where brine softeners seem to be the standard for well water.
This is so misleading! There are plenty of salt-free water treatments or conditioners that do the things he says the ones he is showing don't. He is only showing the ones that fit his argument. It is so hard to find honest, unbiased information on this because the internet is so overrun with these people with a vested interest in selling you salt based systems.
For example, he says that unsoftened water will dry your skin. I spent 5 months with a salt system and was developing dry, scaly, itchy patches on both my calves and itchiness in other, more personal areas. Two weeks after switching to a non-salt system all that was gone. I have clean, good tasting water at all my faucets and no water spot problem in my dishwasher or shower. Do your homework, unfortunately you have to dig pretty deep to get beyond all the hype.
We're sorry you found our video misleading, Mike. We were only reporting what we have found to be true based on our experience with salt-free systems. In our experience, a salt-based system is always a more reliable system. We're sure there are some salt-free systems that do a decent job, but nothing will soften water quite like a salt-based system.
Thanks for watching!
He's being very misleading, that's the worst possible salt free system available. Salt systems are terrible for the environment and California has started banning them, it's only a matter of time before other communities do so as well. On top of that the amount of water wasted in the recharge cycle is enormous. It can take up to 185 gallons 1-3 times a week depending on type of softener and how much usage the system gets it's a huge waste of water, and the salt water being pumped out is bad for the planet. There are certainly people being misleading about salt free systems but they're not all the same and that one he's showing you is junk. Ironic that he says he sells it.
@Jonathan Puga as long as your GPG isn't too high. salt free systems work well for anyplace that has a GPG of 10 or less. The city I'm in sources both well and river water. Our city GPG is on average of 29 GPG and at times as high as 37 GPG. Nearly every household has a water softener here. Our water heaters and coffee pots can't survive without them. Anyone who lives here commonly refers to our drinking water as "liquid rock." Water softener companies thrive well here.
Mike Fowler what brand do you recommend?
Agree
Where did you get it know iam in india
Hi there! Right now we are based out of Illinois and Florida in the U.S.
I got lifesource water softener, at first i though it work , the sale person said it last 10 years but only few months later everything in my house look all stain....what a waste of money I spent....:-(
You still having issues?
EPAWCS EcoPure salt free is around $200
This is a reverse osmosis drinking water system, not a salt-free water softener.
For a minute I thought he was gonna tell me which water softener DOES do those things and also what benefits or pros to SALT softeners provide :(
Isn't it just called water conditioning?
You could call it that, David, since that's all a salt-free water softener can do. It only conditions the water but does not remove the hard water minerals.
Actually the improvement in my case is not "slight". It's massive. The device I have is called the Catalyst 1000. It converts calcium into calcite which is a natural water softener. This product is a Canadian invention.
I can wash my car with it.
I bought a brand new dishwasher whereas before, we would destroy one in 2-3 years due to corrosion.
I can now drink my water (impossible up to now)
I can now use my tap water to wash my windows. Before, this would not have ended well. Hard water will make windows dirtier than before.
We also use less soap and detergent. No, the difference is certainly not slight.
Gene, thank you for your comment.
The product you mentioned is not certified by NSF or WQA for calcium reduction or Radium reduction. Unfortunately this industry is worse than the used car business, people can make any claim they want so we prefer selling systems that a manufacture proved it works with an independent lab. I noticed the website you mentioned highlights only testimonials as proof it works and although those are nice to have they don’t spell out the starting water quality and ending water quality which is important to have from my perspective. We put our name on everything we sell and install so when the system doesn’t work we would refund the client along with shipping! This means we really have to be sure the product works. I will reach out to the Canadian Manufacturer and see if they will send me one and or provide supporting data and independent NSF testing results.
My recommendation to anyone interested in these systems is to make sure you’ve done your homework and get a guarantee that you’ll get a full refund along with your shipping and handling. I’ve simply seen too many good people get loose money. Again we can sell and install any product and would really love a saltless system. We have yet to see one that really works.
Thanks again for sharing.
@@AngelWater you can't please everyone, especially those that need to defend their expensive purchase. As an impartial viewer that's just here for information it looked like you weren't insulting the non-salt products, merely pointing out pros and cons.
Thanks for the excellent video. I will be contacting you shortly for my water system needs, i have hard water and 9.5 pH on my well along with a good deal of sediment so i have particular needs. I'll look for your response. The one company i got a bid from was 4100 installed, which actually doesn't sound that bad but i want some washable media and maybe a spin down. Anyway looking forward to talking with you.
Thanks! We look forward to hearing from you and discussing your water system needs.
Within the first 1 minute and 15 seconds you mislead your audience. You claim that companies say they sell chrome tanks. Visit any reputable company's site, and it CLEARLY states "Chrome Wrapped Tanks". A minute later, you tell another whopper. You say that salt free water filtration companies say they only protect the inside of homes' pipes from scale. You even emphasize this point several times. Once again, a quick visit to the site of a reputable company, and it is very easy to see where they state "protects your appliances from scale".
You video is very biased towards the product you specialize in, salt based water softeners. I'm sure the "Water Educators" you have available have been trained to do the same. You shouldn't put other products down, especially not with false information, to make yours look better. Give people PROPER information, and let them decide for themselves.
The best way to find non-biased information is to visit the Water Quality Association website, and check to see if the product you are considering is Gold Seal Certified.
I write the manuals on water filtration and it is impossible to to have truly soft water without brine and backwash. So called saltless system only prevent scale and nothing more. Its not opinion...its science.
Rich, I have visited most of the other companies sites and they bury that information or neglect to say it at all. Show me site that clearly states it. Also, if you heard me I said we sold them. We had to refund money because they did not protect the appliances in the home. Im not sure how much calcium you have in your water, but throughout the Chicagoland area we can only see that it will protect the inside of plumbing pipes. Again, it is simple science. You must remove the rock from the water droplet in order to make sure it doesn't scale or build up in the appliance. Please feel free to visit us in Barrington to actually see them in action! Have a great weekend.
Sorry... Have to disagree. Chlorine is the major cause of dry itchy skin. Salt based softeners are probably OK for those without galvanized pipes. Over time the salt caused horrible rusting problems. Salt-less is the way to go along with a carbon based filter system that removes the chlorine.
If you can find real softener without using salt.
@@tonyhwang3888 impossible
Sorry. Salt less conditioners do next to nothing. I have a well and a conditioner and it was a waste of money. Literally does nothing. I have clogged shower heads, stained shower doors, sink, toilets and faucets from the hard water. My home is brand new and it took less than 6 months for the plumbing fixtures to be ruined.
Don't say softener, it's a conditioner. Show the bfore installation hardness test and after installation. Preventing scale is not softening water.
"Does it prevent scale inside the plumbing? Yes it does".
Full stop, this is what they are INTENDED to do, and no amount of fast talking F.U.D. spewing salesmanship will refute this. These aren't intended to do what you say they don't do.
And "a couple thousand dollars"!?! You are ripping people off if you're charging people this amount. We just got a very nice Pelican charcoal filter with a separate water conditioner for around 2k (the conditioner was right at 1k) so your scary price point was off by 2x.
Sorry, but I wouldn't buy from someone who tries to scare people away from products that they don't sell, or don't have as high a profit margin. These things DO work... if you use them correctly.
Jason, there are other companies out there that sell these descaler systems as water softeners. Our goal is to educate. We sell salt free systems, but have to be clear with our clients about what the performance will be. Lastly you are correct on the price points, however there are other companies out there that overcharge for something that is just a descaler.