What is unbiased about this? He states the standard mantra about molecules lining up and says "it does work" a lot. Where is the evidence? Where are the scientific studies? The published articles? They do not exist and there are no industrial applications for this. You may as well do a daily "water soften" dance next to your pipes.
I will give everyone an unbiased review.....I have owned one of these for several years. They simply do not work. I admittedly have a well with very hard water that has a high number of dissolved solids present. As I said in another comment that I left, I still leave it plugged in hoping that it’ll work. I think I am hoping harder than it is actually working!
Not really it seems he doesn't know how big the magnets are on the market. He said they are small but they are making pretty big and now there are ones that use the super powered neodymium magnets
I agree yet I beg to differ. I have used one of the small wrap-around calcium removers on our cold inlet to our hot water heater which is electric, I have had to change our heat elements one time in the last 8 years. Prior to using the wrap-around magnets, I was replacing the elements in one set every 9 months to a year. So I will recommend the use of the small wrap-around magnets on the use of all sinks tubs, and washing machines to reduce the calcium buildup on all appliances.
Could I just point out that these Magnetic units do not soften the water, hey just stop the scale from sticking, they are water conditioners, not water softeners!!
OK - very simply, what the magnetic field does is that it causes the calcium carbonate to deposit as aragonite rather than calcite. As this tends to nucleate and grow in the water rather than on the pipe surface the solids just wash through. I did some extensive work on this decades ago for my company using two identical electrically heated hot water tanks , one with permnanet magnets on the inlet pipe - the other without. Water was heated and held for 12 hours then drained and refilled. After two months the solids in the tank were analysed (XRD and chemically) - and although there was plenty of loose powdered material in the base of the tank that had the magnets - it was largely aragonite , whereas the other was mainly calcite, a lot of which had deposited on the walls and the heating element. So yes it works - no it doesn't soften the water and yes - two fairly large NdFeB magnets either side of the inlet pipe (in attraction) is all you need.
Thanks, good information. Would an oscillating field help? Is there a frequency sweet spot? Is there any advantage to all the bells and whistles on electronically controlled electromagnetic devices or would a simple magnetic field from whatever source work equally well? TIA.
Since larger particles are forming as a result of the magnetic field. Would it then make sense to put a spin down flushable filter after the descaler to flush those particles out of your water. Effectively creating a true salt free water softener.
@@mohanvvip Theres not really any clear science here. Oscillating fields have also been effective but don't let anyone tell you that they have a "better" system because they don't know how it really works. I have only tested simple magnetic fields from permanent magnets and since they seem to work and dont rely on an electricity (or battery) supply there's no running cost!
@@tvbuijhg You could filter out the particles that are suspended in the water (rather than being deposited on the wall of the pipe) but they are no longer in solution so if you measured dissolved salts it would say there was an improvement. Filter would have to be very fine or very efficient to take these out of the water. Just let them find their own way to the drain!
I've installed the Clearwave in 2 of my homes. One in Florida and now in Missouri. It's worked great in each home. No scale build up in either home. Any scale that may appear, wipes away as easily as finger prints on the fixtures.
thank you. this is exactly what i was looking to find out. i have a watersoftner, and i wanted to reduce the amount of salt consumption, so i was wondering if combining a descaler would help.
Thank you so much for the comment that an electric/magnetic devise can be used in combination with a salt type water softener with positive results I currently have a Scale Sweeper and do know it has improved water quality. However, I installed a combi boiler unit for heat and domestic hot water. I found I have issue with sedimentation on boiler parts which must be cleaned. It is not hardened calcium however. So I will install a salt type softener in supply after the elec/magnetic. I think it should help. Thanks again
Australia currently work on water distro irrigation for the vegetable farming there results are amazing , there strawberries are doubled in size and are very tasty utilizing magnetic water.
Ironically, I've used magnets, like the one shown at the 2 minute mark, for (30+) years and they stopped my severe calcium problem in a 6 bedroom house100%. I no longer had elements burning out and stopped having to empty buckets of scale out of the hot water tank. I put one on the incoming water line and one on the cold water side of hot water tank.
Thank you so much for confirming this technology does work. Can't wait to try this out in my home. Update: After a few days of using a couple of strong neodymium magnets on my water pipes (no electricity needed), I already noticed a difference in my hard water. My hot water tank is producing hotter water, shower doors are not spotty, definitely more suds when using soap and the calcium buildup in my faucets are more easily cleaned off. So very glad I tried this simple technology.
@@justaguy8499 That's all you need. With harder water you may need more magnets. I also placed 4 neo magnets, on the cold water and hot water pipes of the hot water heater.
@just a guy Hi. How did you orient the magnets? Are they placed either side of the pipe attracting one another? Or are they placed so that the water must flow from one pole to the other? If the magnets were placed opposing one another, is it better to have the water flow through the south pole and exit through the north pole, or vise versa?
@@alex-sd Hi. How did you orient the magnets? Are they in attraction or are they in opposition? If they are in opposition is it better to have the water flow from south to north or north to south, if that even makes a difference. Please let me know. Thank you.
4:25 how much gauss? Plus the electromagnetic ones afterwards? The first electromagnetic one I found was scale blaster & I've seen it covering more surface area than these here.
I actually found this video after installing the ClearWave Water Conditioner that you showed here. After three weeks, I can absolutely say that it does work. The stainless steel sink in our Kitchen is always spot free now. I'd have to use Bon Ami or something to clean it, and it wouldn't stay clean for very long. I don't see any scale build up on the faucets, and the shower doors don't spot up either. I'm curious to see what this thing will do a few months and years down the road.
@@mikeworkman1759 I studied chemical engineering at CU Boulder, and have been in the water treatment industry for 6-7 years now. I'm in Southern California and know of some companies offering them in the market. I personally haven't figured out "how" they work and haven't ever used them for clients or myself. I know of some places where they work alright, and others where they never work...usually it's that they never work, or aren't THAT effective (about 30-50% effective at reducing buildup, not eliminating scale development completely). That being said, usually I see them work alright when they're paired with KDF media. In general, I'd stay away from them...if you're completely against softening the water (salt-based), then I'd say check out a Scale Blaster, or something similar. If you go with SB, use the highest SB you can find (SB-30 is trash, SB-75 is eh, SB-150 is better, SB-Elite is the best you'll be able to find retail, and SB-MAX is the best for residential use). Hope this helps man - Rich (rgbastariv at g mail dot com) if you have any other questions, I'll shoot off anything I can help with. This guy clearly hasn't ever been back onto his TH-cam account.
@@mikeworkman1759 I can say that after over a year, the water spots around the sinks in the house don't have the build up of scale like they did before. Also, the spots themselves are easier to removed with just a sponge.
Jon mentions that you should install the electronic descaler before the water softener, which seems intuitive to me if you are trying to save money on salt. However, I contacted the company that makes the Scale Blaster SB - 150 (shown in the video) and they told me to install it after the water softener. Can any of you water gurus tell me the pros or cons to installing before or after? Very little info out there in using both devices together!
My dad bought one of the electronic wrap around the pipe water softener about 20 year ago but never got around to fitting it. I was thinking they were a joke but your video is helpful in persuading me they were doing some good.
Can you put magnetic descaler on pipe going to water heater since I could not find where the split happens for cold water pipe (probably behind the wall)? Does this add any value or just a waste ?
I let a family member use my ClearWave on his old house. 3 months later, it has dissolved the bulk of the calcium in the pipes, fixtures, and faucets. They spent a month replacing all the fixtures and faucets. It dissolved the calcium that was plugging the leaks! ClearWave is supposed to use radio frequency to break up calcium chunks, not magnetism. I think it uses about 5 cents of electricity a month. And yes, you do use less soap. Clothes a little cleaner too. Fixtures do not get that white haze on them as much. Clear Wave is not exactly cheap.
If that toy generates radio frequency and can sent inside to your copper pipe, how come your microwave oven generated radio frequency won’t get out of your oven? If the thing really works, your explanation does not make sense.
@@yjxu66 What I said did happen. It dissolved most of the calcium buildup within the piping (but mostly at the valves). I assume it uses the piping at a conduit like a hollow ferrite core. Microwave housings are made to be Faraday Cages. The energy used to break up the calcium in the water is rather low. It is not a 'magnetic' water softener. It uses Radio Frequency. Standard modern water hardness tests cannot show any softening of the water. But using the old style 'soap' test, there is a difference. For a given container, which would it hold more of? Pebbles (aka dissolves large calcium chunks) or sand (pulverized calcium chunks)? Note: Mine doesn't do as good a job with galvanized iron pipes. But worked very well on copper and plastic with plastic seemingly the better choice. th-cam.com/video/IUfXSosEbSs/w-d-xo.html
Sir, Thank You for this wonderful presentation. Sir what if i circulate the water through the first model you showed in which magnets are placed surrounding the copper pipe. Does it will make some difference? I want to circulate water for 1 to 5 hrs. Please help me with this
Page 1:34 Once the calcium molecules are aligned polarized by the magnetic field will it still hold that alignment once water in the pipe started a turbulent flow? Why?
I have done a lot of digging since I really need something. I have to replace my water heater element every 10 month without adding salt to my softener. How long can this product extend my element usage? Half a month? Two month? Based on my weeks of reading, the main conclusion statistically is: "May or may not work", "a little improvement", "seems working". I am not sure if this type of product is really useful since my salt softener has extended my heater element usage 10+ years. I wish I am wrong, need somebody help me to see it.
Can I potabelize a water with magnetcs? What can I get from magnetc whater? The science says it is impossible to magnetize pure water. I have some magnetics here with from 2900 to 4000 gauss. I supose thr 4000 its better. Maybe to put around of the shower thing too...
I can sum that question in 1 simple answer: NO. It has been proven by several studies that it does not remove particles from water. It might prevent pipes and other things from being clogged but you are not removing it and you still drink it.
Ok i see, but how long will the polarization of calcium in the water stay polarized... 10 feet, 25 feet, 50 feet?... and what happned when the water goes into the water heater, will the calcium still remain polarized? i guess my question is, should these magnets be applied right near the faucet rather than at the main shut-off valve of the house?
My concern is that if the magnetic softener is placed before the salt-based system, the calcium won't be effectively captured by the resin beads. Since the magnetic unit is intended to disrupt the formation of scale, wouldn't the calcium ions remain unbound and bypass the resin's filtration process?
Very informative & awesome video on the subject at hand!! Good work! -Keep it up. Could you also talk more about that Norway round magnetic product! Like where in your home did you place at, and where people can buy it!! Thanks!
you say the magnet product shown in @02:20 will not work because it's too small. what does this mean. geometrically too small? or too small in magnet strength? there are pretty strong magnets on the market, e.g. N48 material. Please precise your statement regarding the magnet product and let me know the magnet strength in Gauss (remanence) in case you meant the magnetic strenght is "too small". thanks.
If you want soft water you need a system with resin, resin is what softens the water, the salt is use only to clean the resin when it get overloaded with hardness.
Many people don't care about calcium/magnesium in the water, they just don't want to see and clean on a daily basis all the build-up on the plumbing fixtures/tubs/stainless steel sinks...etc and don't want buildup to form inside pipes in the walls and appliances.
Salt is sodium chloride (NaCl). The sodium (Na) is a cation. (Na+). Calcium (Ca) and Magnesium (Mg) compounds are the target minerals in surface and ground water. Both calcium and magnesium are cations, too. The water softener's resin is a cation resin, (has an affinity for cations). As the supply water flows through the resin bed, the resin captures the calcium and magnesium anions which displace sodium ions from the resin. The eluent (the house's water supply) now contains an abundance of sodium ions instead of calcium and magnesium ions. In resin regeneration, dissolved salt (brine) is the delivery mechanism for the sodium ions used to displace the calcium and magnesium ions from the resin, which are flushed to waste with the brine. The chloride ion from the salt is unaffected by the resin, as are the carbonate, sulfate, and sulfite ions from the calcium and magnesium minerals in the water. So, you aren't getting salt from the softener, but you are getting sodium.
Seems to me that if you want to expose the water stream for more time, put more wraps of wire around the pipe, exposing more of the water stream to magnetism. But as anyone who has ever made an electromagnet knows, multiple layers of wire wrap results in more magnetism. Either that, or put more electrical current through the wires. So, what seems like a good balance here would be large gauge wire, wrapped along a pipe in two to three layers, at least 12-16 inches in length. Sixteen inches is max for most installations if your pipe runs between standard stud spacing. SO my only question at that point would be how much current to put through the wire, and whether it should be AC or DC current with how much voltage.
Hi, I designed one and I can tell you that any existed product if you add longer wire you will lose magnet field. If you want more power you can shorten the wire but you have to make sure the device can drive it. it wont get too hot. Another thing can be done is to change big load resistor value. for example 2 ohm make it 1.5 ohm.
@@rgbking488 Why not? I saw their (mundi.com) website recently and looks like they've been around for a long time and have patents on their equipment. Is that BS? Please explain...
@@bhikkhumoneyya4674 Sure thing. I can empathize with your comments about their "credibility" and being around for a long time....and that's fair. I have a degree in chemical engineering and was in the water industry for about 8 years - I recently left it because time and time again, I find shady and sketchy things out, about the industry. I am passionate about water treatment and cleaning water for people, because that's our rights as humans to have clean water. All that aside, their website you mentioned, shows static white noise on the TV from the 70s, in a video that was made...?...in the 80s? 90s? and it shows the TV screen's quality and how it's affected by a magnet.....not a water quality test, showing the effects of a magnet on water and water quality. So from that, I eliminate that factor from counting towards any "credibility" or "proof" of how that can work with water. Next subject - industrial water treatment. Most water treatment plants that I was in (in California, Nevada, and Texas) never had magnets anywhere. The picture on their website shows that industrial plant with magnets all over that yellow pipe...that's fine, and probably true that the plant has the magnet, but it's also 100% true that the plant doesn't solely rely on those magnets to condition the water. Conditioning the water is not the same as softening the water. Conditioners are meant to alter the structure of the hard minerals in the water, to ensure they don't plate out and stick on surfaces, clogging up pipes and building up on faucets/fixtures (residential example, not industrial). Industrial water treatment serves a completely diff purpose than residential water treatment...you don't have to worry about the same issues in the residential sector as you do in the industrial sector. Now, getting back to the resi sector - MOST people who have magnets, or had magnets, encounter problems and hard water issues. About every home I went into, that had a magnet or a salt-free water conditioner, had issues. There are so many factors at play (is there copper in the water, and at what levels? is there electrolysis occurring in the plumbing network from mis-matched metals being put together by some yoyo plumber, etc. etc.)...there are many things that affect water conditioners, AND magnets. I don't think what they're showing on the website is BS...I don't think their company is BS...I just think there's always going to be clients and people that are willing to believe what they say, therefore allowing them to be in business for that long...and continuing to operate. No one customer complaint will ever get a business shut down, IMO. I think magnets can work, but only in lab tests and lab environments, where all of the factors that you encounter in the industry (actual homes and buildings), don't apply in the lab because they can't be replicated. I have never seen a magnet proven to work either....with many other water treatment solutions (most actually), you can prove that they work...so there's my 2 cents...however do what you'd like & best of luck - bastar at colorado dot edu if you want to know more or chat.
Regarding the salt in the river of Alberta, those softeners were not set up properly (their backwash was not long enough). You do not get salt in your water after the softener. The salt you are referring to is from the backwash cycle. If your tasting salt in the water or the butter has salt in it the softener is not set up properly. Softeners work via an Ion exchange and all the salt is washed away in the second backwash cycle and no salt is in the main water system. large industrial magnetic systems do work but require lots of coils and power to work properly and almost all are augmented with a softener system as well.
have a look at delta water conditioners. they do work and they guarantee it does. without chemicals. no they dont remove the calcium but they stop it being a problem. and yes you need the right strength unit for what water you have and what you want to achieve.
Can you review if this $19 low cost version works? - “Electronic Water Descale Decalcifier Conditioner DIY Assembled Kit for Copper PVC Pipe, 5 Led Lights Show Working Status” on Amazon
I would love to see his investigation on Hydroflow by Hydropath that allot of these wire wrap have tried to copy. Patented, proven and induces over 10000x the energy of Clearview or Scaleblaster.
Our organization has a client that decided to convert their many water softeners over to an electro-magnetic system. They were promised such wonderful results. Alot like you are making claim to. Well, after about a year or two, this client came back to us in order to handle all of their water softening needs. Our client disclosed to us that this whole "mistake" cost their organization over a million dollars. Simply put, the electro-magnetic "softeners" did nothing and it ended up being a milloin dollar mistake to change over to them.
Mark Stoner please stop this bullshit generalization and name the system that supposedly did not work. HydroFlow by Hydropath Technologies has been patented and proven to work scientifically many times over! It is an award winning proven technology! Ot is very easy to lay out stories like this when you use generalizations and never name the supposedly non functional system! Like when scumbag Culligan dealers started telling people HydroFlow didn’t work and I had a letter of apology on my desk from Culligan VP, to prevent the lawsuit! It seems water softener sales people have no qualms straight up lying to people, and it seems you are just another one of those.
@@billcarroll5541 Bill Mark Stoner is pissed because a guy that was selling these magnets slept with his wife. True story. Have you noticed the number of times he's posted on this topic? Clearly a salt water softener employee.
When I first heard about magnetic water softeners I said WTF. We have so many snake oil salesmen today in all areas of the economy. Be informed and watch videos like this one.
So you are actually supporting Culligan's theory that magnetic scalers do not work unless they are industrial type quality. When I come to TH-cam, I am only interested in residential use type of descalers.
The exp of the magnet that water flows through is MUCH smaller than the one you said was too small. The first example, those are huge neodymium magnets (super strong). Maybe you should test these instead of just presenting a opinion. I'd love to see that
Sounds like a load of bull. Cite the serious research studies from well-regarded institutions. I personally prefer wearing a clove of garlic when I shower. The garlic has an amazing effect on the calcium particles in the water, and they refuse to adhere to the glass and just wash away.
Yes, it is all garbage. These devices do not work except for the ones that cost many tens of thousands of dollars and use many thousands of watt hours.
You actually are demonstating an ignorance of how a water softners works. The continual reference to salt is misleading. Salt does not soften the water. It is there only to replenish the softening resin beads which the water runs through. The resin beads are what softens the water by removing/ Filtering out the minerals etc that cause the limescale. This gets saturated with the impurities and so the softener goes through a regeneration cycle. The salt is used to create a brine (salty) solution to flush through the resin beads and remove the impurities which are then wooshed down the drain. To repeat. The salt does not soften the water. It is just used to regenerate the softening resin beads. Continual reference to the salt is misleading.
100% true. Correct me if I'm wrong - I think when brine (salty) solution flush through the resin beads and remove the impurities (which is Ca - Calcium in most cases) it is produces water (H2O) and Calcium chloridel (CaCl), cause Na is consumed by a resin replacing Ca. So Water + Calcium chloride is then dumped into sewage... I'd bet it doesn't even tastes "salted"...
You are correct, softening is the term used for the ion exchange process, these are Electronic or Magnetic Water conditioners. The best one is HydroFlow by Hydropath Technologies, over 25 years proven, patented oh and yes scientifically verified!
@@billcarroll5541 HydroFlow is another CopyCat and although has seen success, it still isn't the best! In Fact and in my opinion on a scale of 1 to 10, I'd be kind to rate it a 6 to 7! So I have to ask you Bill Carrol, Are you in some way or other involved with the sale's , marketing or installation of HydroFlow Units ?
Cites Wikipedia as an authoritative source! Calcium is not ferromagnetic. Period. Calcium ions (not molecules...there’s a difference...the latter don’t exist) do not align in a magnetic field. If they did, your hibbles would be jibbled in an MRI machine. Don’t quit your day job, you’re no physical chemist!
Peter Schmidt Notice that this clown never showed any accumulations of hard water minerals that were deposited by this wishful thinking technology? If salt for recharging conventional ion exchange resins can decline by 90%, where did all the magnesium, calcium manganese, iron, copper, zinc...go?
By far, this gentleman has provided the most useful unbiased information regarding the comparison of these systems. -Special thanks !!!
I agree.
What is unbiased about this? He states the standard mantra about molecules lining up and says "it does work" a lot. Where is the evidence? Where are the scientific studies? The published articles? They do not exist and there are no industrial applications for this. You may as well do a daily "water soften" dance next to your pipes.
I will give everyone an unbiased review.....I have owned one of these for several years. They simply do not work. I admittedly have a well with very hard water that has a high number of dissolved solids present.
As I said in another comment that I left, I still leave it plugged in hoping that it’ll work. I think I am hoping harder than it is actually working!
Not really it seems he doesn't know how big the magnets are on the market. He said they are small but they are making pretty big and now there are ones that use the super powered neodymium magnets
Thanks, very well explained
The ear piece microphone immediately lets me know you are a very knowledgeable, honest guy who likes to party just like Flo from progressive.
I agree yet I beg to differ. I have used one of the small wrap-around calcium removers on our cold inlet to our hot water heater which is electric, I have had to change our heat elements one time in the last 8 years. Prior to using the wrap-around magnets, I was replacing the elements in one set every 9 months to a year. So I will recommend the use of the small wrap-around magnets on the use of all sinks tubs, and washing machines to reduce the calcium buildup on all appliances.
Great to see Jon is still around. I used to watch his videos in the late 80's, learned a lot from this man.
Could I just point out that these Magnetic units do not soften the water, hey just stop the scale from sticking, they are water conditioners, not water softeners!!
yeah, i guess that helps the heating elements and calcium build up but it won't help my kidney stones
@@HKswingdaddy no it wont. you need a reverse osmosis unit for that. a undersink sint just for treating the drinking and cooking water is all you need
Amazing presentation, very professional perfect tone of voice and knowledge. Simply to the point.
OK - very simply, what the magnetic field does is that it causes the calcium carbonate to deposit as aragonite rather than calcite. As this tends to nucleate and grow in the water rather than on the pipe surface the solids just wash through. I did some extensive work on this decades ago for my company using two identical electrically heated hot water tanks , one with permnanet magnets on the inlet pipe - the other without. Water was heated and held for 12 hours then drained and refilled. After two months the solids in the tank were analysed (XRD and chemically) - and although there was plenty of loose powdered material in the base of the tank that had the magnets - it was largely aragonite , whereas the other was mainly calcite, a lot of which had deposited on the walls and the heating element. So yes it works - no it doesn't soften the water and yes - two fairly large NdFeB magnets either side of the inlet pipe (in attraction) is all you need.
Thanks, good information. Would an oscillating field help? Is there a frequency sweet spot? Is there any advantage to all the bells and whistles on electronically controlled electromagnetic devices or would a simple magnetic field from whatever source work equally well? TIA.
Since larger particles are forming as a result of the magnetic field. Would it then make sense to put a spin down flushable filter after the descaler to flush those particles out of your water. Effectively creating a true salt free water softener.
Would it be better for those magnets to surround a copper pipe or plastic.
@@mohanvvip Theres not really any clear science here. Oscillating fields have also been effective but don't let anyone tell you that they have a "better" system because they don't know how it really works. I have only tested simple magnetic fields from permanent magnets and since they seem to work and dont rely on an electricity (or battery) supply there's no running cost!
@@tvbuijhg You could filter out the particles that are suspended in the water (rather than being deposited on the wall of the pipe) but they are no longer in solution so if you measured dissolved salts it would say there was an improvement. Filter would have to be very fine or very efficient to take these out of the water. Just let them find their own way to the drain!
You broke that complex subject down for me very well. Thank you.
These kind of videos make TH-cam great. Thanks for the high quality video and none biased review
I remember watching his show 15-20 years ago on HGTV Canada. He was pretty good then too.
it's so good to have the clarity on this subject - Many thanks - I learnt a lot.
You're welcome, Paul! I'm glad to help.
@@AskJonEakes thank you this is a best information, i have question can you give me the schematics please
I've installed the Clearwave in 2 of my homes. One in Florida and now in Missouri. It's worked great in each home. No scale build up in either home. Any scale that may appear, wipes away as easily as finger prints on the fixtures.
Great information Jon. I am looking into a system and felt so much better informed after watching your video. Bless your heart.
Great Video Just what I was looking for would love an update on how the second system you are using is doing!
Thank you again!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge...very helpful
thank you. this is exactly what i was looking to find out. i have a watersoftner, and i wanted to reduce the amount of salt consumption, so i was wondering if combining a descaler would help.
Great video and information! thank you very much, Sir!
We're glad you found it helpful Jose!
Thank you! Very informative and useful video.
Thank you so much for the comment that an electric/magnetic devise can be used in combination with a salt type water softener with positive results
I currently have a Scale Sweeper and do know it has improved water quality. However, I installed a combi boiler unit for heat and domestic hot water. I found I have issue with sedimentation on boiler parts which must be cleaned. It is not hardened calcium however. So I will install a salt type softener in supply after the elec/magnetic. I think it should help. Thanks again
Thank you for explaining ... good job 👍
Thank you for the information, very professional presentation . 👍👍👍
Australia currently work on water distro irrigation for the vegetable farming there results are amazing , there strawberries are doubled in size and are very tasty utilizing magnetic water.
Thanks for the explanation this was a great video.
how should the magnet poles be arranged on the pipe for best results?
Jus want to know if the magnetic one can help to reduce soap usage?
what do you think about using 2 of these in a system...?
Ironically, I've used magnets, like the one shown at the 2 minute mark, for (30+) years and they stopped my severe calcium problem in a 6 bedroom house100%. I no longer had elements burning out and stopped having to empty buckets of scale out of the hot water tank. I put one on the incoming water line and one on the cold water side of hot water tank.
Thank you so much for confirming this technology does work. Can't wait to try this out in my home. Update: After a few days of using a couple of strong neodymium magnets on my water pipes (no electricity needed), I already noticed a difference in my hard water. My hot water tank is producing hotter water, shower doors are not spotty, definitely more suds when using soap and the calcium buildup in my faucets are more easily cleaned off. So very glad I tried this simple technology.
Hello, how did you do that? Is it enought to put two neodymium magnets on the both sides of the main pipe?
@@justaguy8499 That's all you need. With harder water you may need more magnets. I also placed 4 neo magnets, on the cold water and hot water pipes of the hot water heater.
@just a guy
Hi. How did you orient the magnets? Are they placed either side of the pipe attracting one another? Or are they placed so that the water must flow from one pole to the other? If the magnets were placed opposing one another, is it better to have the water flow through the south pole and exit through the north pole, or vise versa?
@@alex-sd
Hi. How did you orient the magnets? Are they in attraction or are they in opposition? If they are in opposition is it better to have the water flow from south to north or north to south, if that even makes a difference. Please let me know. Thank you.
@@robertosanderoso I stopped this project. I saw some TH-cam videos that say magnet softening is scam. Sorry
Where is the link to these products?
What TDS/PPM do you consider to be a MINOR problem
Mr. John. Can you add more wire to these things to make more wraps on the pipe to make them better?.
4:25 how much gauss? Plus the electromagnetic ones afterwards? The first electromagnetic one I found was scale blaster & I've seen it covering more surface area than these here.
How to order this product
Will this magnet-treated water prevent the hard water stains on a car's paint/windows if used for washing the car?
I actually found this video after installing the ClearWave Water Conditioner that you showed here. After three weeks, I can absolutely say that it does work. The stainless steel sink in our Kitchen is always spot free now. I'd have to use Bon Ami or something to clean it, and it wouldn't stay clean for very long. I don't see any scale build up on the faucets, and the shower doors don't spot up either. I'm curious to see what this thing will do a few months and years down the road.
Hey Jeff - is this still the case? What's a good update after 1 year? Thanks
Hey Jeff, how has this worked out?
Any updates on how this has worked for you?
@@mikeworkman1759 I studied chemical engineering at CU Boulder, and have been in the water treatment industry for 6-7 years now. I'm in Southern California and know of some companies offering them in the market. I personally haven't figured out "how" they work and haven't ever used them for clients or myself. I know of some places where they work alright, and others where they never work...usually it's that they never work, or aren't THAT effective (about 30-50% effective at reducing buildup, not eliminating scale development completely). That being said, usually I see them work alright when they're paired with KDF media. In general, I'd stay away from them...if you're completely against softening the water (salt-based), then I'd say check out a Scale Blaster, or something similar. If you go with SB, use the highest SB you can find (SB-30 is trash, SB-75 is eh, SB-150 is better, SB-Elite is the best you'll be able to find retail, and SB-MAX is the best for residential use). Hope this helps man - Rich (rgbastariv at g mail dot com) if you have any other questions, I'll shoot off anything I can help with. This guy clearly hasn't ever been back onto his TH-cam account.
@@mikeworkman1759 I can say that after over a year, the water spots around the sinks in the house don't have the build up of scale like they did before. Also, the spots themselves are easier to removed with just a sponge.
Jon mentions that you should install the electronic descaler before the water softener, which seems intuitive to me if you are trying to save money on salt. However, I contacted the company that makes the Scale Blaster SB - 150 (shown in the video) and they told me to install it after the water softener. Can any of you water gurus tell me the pros or cons to installing before or after? Very little info out there in using both devices together!
There is no link to an item on your website. Where is it?
My dad bought one of the electronic wrap around the pipe water softener about 20 year ago but never got around to fitting it. I was thinking they were a joke but your video is helpful in persuading me they were doing some good.
Your dads a clever man.
polarity (+ -) on pipe or (++ / - -) on pipe ? N42 => OK
Thanks for this video, just installed a water softner and found this video.
Can you put magnetic descaler on pipe going to water heater since I could not find where the split happens for cold water pipe (probably behind the wall)? Does this add any value or just a waste ?
I let a family member use my ClearWave on his old house.
3 months later, it has dissolved the bulk of the calcium in the pipes, fixtures, and faucets.
They spent a month replacing all the fixtures and faucets.
It dissolved the calcium that was plugging the leaks!
ClearWave is supposed to use radio frequency to break up calcium chunks, not magnetism. I think it uses about 5 cents of electricity a month.
And yes, you do use less soap. Clothes a little cleaner too.
Fixtures do not get that white haze on them as much.
Clear Wave is not exactly cheap.
If that toy generates radio frequency and can sent inside to your copper pipe, how come your microwave oven generated radio frequency won’t get out of your oven? If the thing really works, your explanation does not make sense.
@@yjxu66 What I said did happen. It dissolved most of the calcium buildup within the piping (but mostly at the valves).
I assume it uses the piping at a conduit like a hollow ferrite core.
Microwave housings are made to be Faraday Cages.
The energy used to break up the calcium in the water is rather low.
It is not a 'magnetic' water softener. It uses Radio Frequency.
Standard modern water hardness tests cannot show any softening of the water.
But using the old style 'soap' test, there is a difference.
For a given container, which would it hold more of? Pebbles (aka dissolves large calcium chunks) or sand (pulverized calcium chunks)?
Note: Mine doesn't do as good a job with galvanized iron pipes. But worked very well on copper and plastic with plastic seemingly the better choice.
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excellent presentation...
Glad that we could help!
I don't have any pipe that I can use this. Can I add a pipe to my system so I have somewhere to put the box?
Hi I am from India that magnetic gadget really works we use daily nearly about 8 thousand litre is that enough pls tell me
Sir, Thank You for this wonderful presentation. Sir what if i circulate the water through the first model you showed in which magnets are placed surrounding the copper pipe. Does it will make some difference?
I want to circulate water for 1 to 5 hrs. Please help me with this
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Once the calcium molecules are aligned polarized by the magnetic field will it still hold that alignment once water in the pipe started a turbulent flow? Why?
water is para magnetic the magnetic field created by these devices changes the molecular structure of the minerals and they no longer cuase a problem.
I have done a lot of digging since I really need something. I have to replace my water heater element every 10 month without adding salt to my softener. How long can this product extend my element usage? Half a month? Two month? Based on my weeks of reading, the main conclusion statistically is: "May or may not work", "a little improvement", "seems working". I am not sure if this type of product is really useful since my salt softener has extended my heater element usage 10+ years. I wish I am wrong, need somebody help me to see it.
Can I potabelize a water with magnetcs? What can I get from magnetc whater? The science says it is impossible to magnetize pure water. I have some magnetics here with from 2900 to 4000 gauss. I supose thr 4000 its better. Maybe to put around of the shower thing too...
I can sum that question in 1 simple answer: NO. It has been proven by several studies that it does not remove particles from water.
It might prevent pipes and other things from being clogged but you are not removing it and you still drink it.
WHERE HAVE YOU GONE, DOC? Your channel was going to become huge & on the brink of TH-cam Fame! Disappointed to see you go :( Hoping all is well!
Ok i see, but how long will the polarization of calcium in the water stay polarized... 10 feet, 25 feet, 50 feet?... and what happned when the water goes into the water heater, will the calcium still remain polarized? i guess my question is, should these magnets be applied right near the faucet rather than at the main shut-off valve of the house?
My concern is that if the magnetic softener is placed before the salt-based system, the calcium won't be effectively captured by the resin beads. Since the magnetic unit is intended to disrupt the formation of scale, wouldn't the calcium ions remain unbound and bypass the resin's filtration process?
Very informative & awesome video on the subject at hand!! Good work! -Keep it up. Could you also talk more about that Norway round magnetic product! Like where in your home did you place at, and where people can buy it!! Thanks!
Pls sir you given good information to us
My question is do you install before the water heater or after? If water sits in water heater does it lose its magnetism?
Before
Very nice video
Magnetic field can be easily produced and controlled. What Gauss strength would be sufficiently effective for domestic water usage.
Please sent the referances link
you say the magnet product shown in @02:20 will not work because it's too small. what does this mean. geometrically too small? or too small in magnet strength? there are pretty strong magnets on the market, e.g. N48 material. Please precise your statement regarding the magnet product and let me know the magnet strength in Gauss (remanence) in case you meant the magnetic strenght is "too small".
thanks.
unclealig : Gauss is essential to know!
Thankyou Gental Man Sir G
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Is there any test data it actually reduced hardness? and by what % ?
The seller cleverly named the thing as “descaler”. So, no hardness reduction.
If you want soft water you need a system with resin, resin is what softens the water, the salt is use only to clean the resin when it get overloaded with hardness.
Right. Salt displaces hard water divalent cations, thereby regenerating the resin’s active sites, which are carboxylic acids.
Many people don't care about calcium/magnesium in the water, they just don't want to see and clean on a daily basis all the build-up on the plumbing fixtures/tubs/stainless steel sinks...etc and don't want buildup to form inside pipes in the walls and appliances.
Salt is sodium chloride (NaCl). The sodium (Na) is a cation. (Na+). Calcium (Ca) and Magnesium (Mg) compounds are the target minerals in surface and ground water. Both calcium and magnesium are cations, too. The water softener's resin is a cation resin, (has an affinity for cations). As the supply water flows through the resin bed, the resin captures the calcium and magnesium anions which displace sodium ions from the resin. The eluent (the house's water supply) now contains an abundance of sodium ions instead of calcium and magnesium ions. In resin regeneration, dissolved salt (brine) is the delivery mechanism for the sodium ions used to displace the calcium and magnesium ions from the resin, which are flushed to waste with the brine. The chloride ion from the salt is unaffected by the resin, as are the carbonate, sulfate, and sulfite ions from the calcium and magnesium minerals in the water. So, you aren't getting salt from the softener, but you are getting sodium.
Seems to me that if you want to expose the water stream for more time, put more wraps of wire around the pipe, exposing more of the water stream to magnetism. But as anyone who has ever made an electromagnet knows, multiple layers of wire wrap results in more magnetism. Either that, or put more electrical current through the wires.
So, what seems like a good balance here would be large gauge wire, wrapped along a pipe in two to three layers, at least 12-16 inches in length. Sixteen inches is max for most installations if your pipe runs between standard stud spacing.
SO my only question at that point would be how much current to put through the wire, and whether it should be AC or DC current with how much voltage.
Hi, I designed one and I can tell you that any existed product if you add longer wire you will lose magnet field. If you want more power you can shorten the wire but you have to make sure the device can drive it. it wont get too hot. Another thing can be done is to change big load resistor value. for example 2 ohm make it 1.5 ohm.
What is meant...." it only works for 72 hours"?????? If he means flowing through the water heater what happens to water that bypasses the WH?
Scale blaster SB-75 is excellent
What is your opinion on MAGNETIZER®
HOME HARD WATER CONDITIONER
Shut the fuck up
@@Koobie9216 hahah, easy tiger....but yes, they're not recommended
@@rgbking488 Why not? I saw their (mundi.com) website recently and looks like they've been around for a long time and have patents on their equipment. Is that BS? Please explain...
@@bhikkhumoneyya4674 Sure thing. I can empathize with your comments about their "credibility" and being around for a long time....and that's fair. I have a degree in chemical engineering and was in the water industry for about 8 years - I recently left it because time and time again, I find shady and sketchy things out, about the industry. I am passionate about water treatment and cleaning water for people, because that's our rights as humans to have clean water. All that aside, their website you mentioned, shows static white noise on the TV from the 70s, in a video that was made...?...in the 80s? 90s? and it shows the TV screen's quality and how it's affected by a magnet.....not a water quality test, showing the effects of a magnet on water and water quality. So from that, I eliminate that factor from counting towards any "credibility" or "proof" of how that can work with water. Next subject - industrial water treatment. Most water treatment plants that I was in (in California, Nevada, and Texas) never had magnets anywhere. The picture on their website shows that industrial plant with magnets all over that yellow pipe...that's fine, and probably true that the plant has the magnet, but it's also 100% true that the plant doesn't solely rely on those magnets to condition the water. Conditioning the water is not the same as softening the water. Conditioners are meant to alter the structure of the hard minerals in the water, to ensure they don't plate out and stick on surfaces, clogging up pipes and building up on faucets/fixtures (residential example, not industrial). Industrial water treatment serves a completely diff purpose than residential water treatment...you don't have to worry about the same issues in the residential sector as you do in the industrial sector. Now, getting back to the resi sector - MOST people who have magnets, or had magnets, encounter problems and hard water issues. About every home I went into, that had a magnet or a salt-free water conditioner, had issues. There are so many factors at play (is there copper in the water, and at what levels? is there electrolysis occurring in the plumbing network from mis-matched metals being put together by some yoyo plumber, etc. etc.)...there are many things that affect water conditioners, AND magnets. I don't think what they're showing on the website is BS...I don't think their company is BS...I just think there's always going to be clients and people that are willing to believe what they say, therefore allowing them to be in business for that long...and continuing to operate. No one customer complaint will ever get a business shut down, IMO. I think magnets can work, but only in lab tests and lab environments, where all of the factors that you encounter in the industry (actual homes and buildings), don't apply in the lab because they can't be replicated. I have never seen a magnet proven to work either....with many other water treatment solutions (most actually), you can prove that they work...so there's my 2 cents...however do what you'd like & best of luck - bastar at colorado dot edu if you want to know more or chat.
I used on in my old house and it works, it depend on how hard the water is. Different brands have different strengths.
When you say that this is a well known industrial solution backed up by science, can you share the actual data or sources that prove this?
Of course he can't.
Just installed a Scaleblaster, Hope it works well! Thanx for all the info!!!
I hope you let us know how it works
I would not say it softens the water, but my calmat has kept the toilet free of calcium buildup for years.
Regarding the salt in the river of Alberta, those softeners were not set up properly (their backwash was not long enough). You do not get salt in your water after the softener. The salt you are referring to is from the backwash cycle. If your tasting salt in the water or the butter has salt in it the softener is not set up properly. Softeners work via an Ion exchange and all the salt is washed away in the second backwash cycle and no salt is in the main water system. large industrial magnetic systems do work but require lots of coils and power to work properly and almost all are augmented with a softener system as well.
If it only works for 72 hours, is it basically disposable?
Believe he means the water is with the treated effect only for 72 hours and if left in tank over that, it may become similar to how it was untreated.
have a look at delta water conditioners. they do work and they guarantee it does. without chemicals.
no they dont remove the calcium but they stop it being a problem. and yes you need the right strength unit for what water you have and what you want to achieve.
I had zero noticeable benefits with the Clear Wave
Can you review if this $19 low cost version works? -
“Electronic Water Descale Decalcifier Conditioner DIY Assembled Kit for Copper PVC Pipe, 5 Led Lights Show Working Status” on Amazon
lol
I would love to see his investigation on Hydroflow by Hydropath that allot of these wire wrap have tried to copy. Patented, proven and induces over 10000x the energy of Clearview or Scaleblaster.
It's real science up until the point of consumption
Electromagnetic softner does not reduce tds level, high level tds harm your skin and hair, you can use thi softner only to protect fittings.
Give me address and phone number and prise mob 9967141389
Surely the only thing a magnet affects is iron...
I didn't see any actual test results.
Amazing, how in 21st century, people still think that magnets are magical and can cure everything.
There are plenty of them around ... enough to support sales of bogus devices like these.
I mean, it's been scientifically proven for a few centuries now. But hey, add that to the "shit I don't understand" and call it snake oil.
@@rickyr7790 Exactly. This guy needs to learn about how electricity is generated.
soft water & hard water : what is the purpose
Well I’m not a tool hoarder and I don’t like experimenting like you. But that’s for some advice.. I guess
What about your water heater? You won't use it in 72 hours. That's why they don't
The face microphone makes it hard to believe this fella
Our organization has a client that decided to convert their many water softeners over to an electro-magnetic system. They were promised such wonderful results. Alot like you are making claim to. Well, after about a year or two, this client came back to us in order to handle all of their water softening needs. Our client disclosed to us that this whole "mistake" cost their organization over a million dollars. Simply put, the electro-magnetic "softeners" did nothing and it ended up being a milloin dollar mistake to change over to them.
I have said it many times before and I'll say it again. >>>>> THERE ISN'T SUCH A MAGNETIC "WATER SOFTENER" DEVICE ON THE MARKET!
Mark Stoner please stop this bullshit generalization and name the system that supposedly did not work. HydroFlow by Hydropath Technologies has been patented and proven to work scientifically many times over! It is an award winning proven technology! Ot is very easy to lay out stories like this when you use generalizations and never name the supposedly non functional system! Like when scumbag Culligan dealers started telling people HydroFlow didn’t work and I had a letter of apology on my desk from Culligan VP, to prevent the lawsuit! It seems water softener sales people have no qualms straight up lying to people, and it seems you are just another one of those.
@@billcarroll5541 Bill Mark Stoner is pissed because a guy that was selling these magnets slept with his wife. True story. Have you noticed the number of times he's posted on this topic? Clearly a salt water softener employee.
@@lisab3396 what are the best electronic water conditioners ?
@@pauld3327 Ahh, sorry but I cannot reveal that to you. 1) You have to conduct your own research. or 2) Invest >$100K and I will demonstrate. 👍
When I first heard about magnetic water softeners I said WTF. We have so many snake oil salesmen today in all areas of the economy. Be informed and watch videos like this one.
So you are actually supporting Culligan's theory that magnetic scalers do not work unless they are industrial type quality. When I come to TH-cam, I am only interested in residential use type of descalers.
The exp of the magnet that water flows through is MUCH smaller than the one you said was too small. The first example, those are huge neodymium magnets (super strong). Maybe you should test these instead of just presenting a opinion. I'd love to see that
Sounds like a load of bull. Cite the serious research studies from well-regarded institutions.
I personally prefer wearing a clove of garlic when I shower. The garlic has an amazing effect on the calcium particles in the water, and they refuse to adhere to the glass and just wash away.
I like to do an anti-calcium dance next to my water pipes everyday. Works 100% as well as magnets.
@@dinooldman6671 Do you like to go around and pee in everybody's post toasties? WTF do you get out of that? What are you on this channel for?
Yes, it is all garbage. These devices do not work except for the ones that cost many tens of thousands of dollars and use many thousands of watt hours.
You actually are demonstating an ignorance of how a water softners works. The continual reference to salt is misleading. Salt does not soften the water. It is there only to replenish the softening resin beads which the water runs through. The resin beads are what softens the water by removing/
Filtering out the minerals etc that cause the limescale. This gets saturated with the impurities and so the softener goes through a regeneration cycle. The salt is used to create a brine (salty) solution to flush through the resin beads and remove the impurities which are then wooshed down the drain.
To repeat. The salt does not soften the water. It is just used to regenerate the softening resin beads.
Continual reference to the salt is misleading.
100% true. Correct me if I'm wrong - I think when brine (salty) solution flush through the resin beads and remove the impurities (which is Ca - Calcium in most cases) it is produces water (H2O) and Calcium chloridel (CaCl), cause Na is consumed by a resin replacing Ca. So Water + Calcium chloride is then dumped into sewage... I'd bet it doesn't even tastes "salted"...
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Right. Sodium ions displace hard water divalent cations such as magnesium, calcium, manganese, iron, and copper.
thank you
I have said it many times before and I'll say it again. >>>>> THERE ISN'T SUCH A MAGNETIC "WATER SOFTENER" DEVICE ON THE MARKET!
You aren't as persuasive as the rest of these people.
Your Answer is very vague. Is it a Pro or Con answer?? Please explain!
@@CrypticConversions I think what she is saying is this device is not a water softener but a water conditioner.
You are correct, softening is the term used for the ion exchange process, these are Electronic or Magnetic Water conditioners. The best one is HydroFlow by Hydropath Technologies, over 25 years proven, patented oh and yes scientifically verified!
@@billcarroll5541 HydroFlow is another CopyCat and although has seen success, it still isn't the best! In Fact and in my opinion on a scale of 1 to 10, I'd be kind to rate it a 6 to 7!
So I have to ask you Bill Carrol, Are you in some way or other involved with the sale's , marketing or installation of HydroFlow Units ?
Nice talks about fake functionality :)
Cites Wikipedia as an authoritative source!
Calcium is not ferromagnetic. Period.
Calcium ions (not molecules...there’s a difference...the latter don’t exist) do not align in a magnetic field. If they did, your hibbles would be jibbled in an MRI machine.
Don’t quit your day job, you’re no physical chemist!
Calcium is paramagnetic. I hope you're not a chemist.
Peter Schmidt
Where in this video is calcium metal discussed?
@@FrankGutowski-ls8jt Where does it have to be discussed? Calcium is one of the key contributors to hard water, so it's implied.
Peter Schmidt
Calcium ions not metal.
Peter Schmidt
Notice that this clown never showed any accumulations of hard water minerals that were deposited by this wishful thinking technology?
If salt for recharging conventional ion exchange resins can decline by 90%, where did all the magnesium, calcium manganese, iron, copper, zinc...go?
That’s why you let the magnetite dissolve in the water