I can't say enough about how much I appreciate your honesty. It's so refreshing to see someone who isn't afraid to point out problems. So many people make excuses, ignore flaws, kiss ass, or get paid to praise. Thank you again for your informative videos, I look forward to every one.
Mike Vann Thank you! I really appreciate your comments and support. I’m retired/disabled, so I can’t make any money, So I’ll never sell out my channel!
Great video and Great information!! Been looking into side by sides and have been leaning towards one of these, appreciate the honesty about the machine and look forward to learning more through some of your other videos.
Just stumble on this channel but I’m glad I did.im in the process of purchasing a Honda talon 2019 model.thanks for making that video cause I have an idea of what I’m looking at thanks again..I’m in Utah..
Great video as always Russell! Here's to another happy 4000 miles more🍻. I'm getting lost in the dust and still running stock filter, just turned 300mi.
Great review and looks good! I did an UNI prefilter for $25 off amazon. I just checked factory filter after 300 miles and filter looks brand new. This filter is cleanable. UNI Hi Capacity 2-stage Pod filter Angled 6in 3in ID. UNI part # UP6300AST
Thanks for the review. I am on the fence about buying a 2019 Talon, as my (ordered Sept last year) RMAX 1000 will not be coming anytime soon to Ontario, Canada. I am going to pass on the Talon for sale here, it is a 2019 with 500 miles on it for 27K Canadian. I have been a Yamaha guy for 40 years. I sold my X2 and X4 to get the RMAX and now I find I wont be seeing it until next year. Your video turned me off the Talon, and helped me make my decision. Thanks. P.S. no belt anxiety on a Yamaha, 10 year warranty, I have never broken one, ever!
Excellent review Brother. I've always been a Honda guy, and have ridden their dirt bikes for decades. Not impressed with the newer bikes and issues they're having. Seems they have some work ahead of them to step up and hit one home on these.
Thanks for the info. I stopped to Honda dealer 2 days ago. Almost got it. But something was holding me back. So after your video no chance I am going to buy it. To much things to deal with.
iam a Yxz owner although the yxz doesnt have any issues with air filter I installed a partial separator it would be a good thing to get to keep your Honda engine safe
Thanks for the info. I’m picking mine up Friday. I bought the X. I wanted the R. But our trails are not always wide. That would piss me off over the rusty windshield. Hopefully the 2020 model fixed the front end problem you were having
yooper survival Thanks for watching! Honda will replace the windshield under their 1yr accessory warranty. Shock therapy is a must, dual rate springs and RIS with a rear spare. Then you’ll have a great machine. Don’t forget the particle separator!
Great, honest review. I've ridden with a couple talons but not enough to really have seen them in action a lot. Last ride with one it was overheating on the way back to the truck but we had been through some pretty nasty mud holes so he must have caked his radiator. I'm on my 2nd belt driven side by side and really like them for the riding we do in ky/tn. A gear on gear is more efficient but I worry a little about long term the DCT getting expensive. I like the simplicity of the CVT system and just carry a spare belt which i have yet to need on the trail. I dont have any belt anxiety but I am mindful of how I use it as far as just selecting the right range and not slipping it when climbing obstacles. With that said, I think out West I wouldn't like the CVT quite as well because I think higher speeds and wide open areas is where belt temps can get out of hand and we don't really have that issue here. I dont think any machine is perfect off the floor so the main thing is to be happy with your purchase. Thanks for the video
CumminsDriver635 Each person has different needs and driving conditions, so different machines are better for different people. I do think the dct will hold up for a long time. The engine and transmission share the same oil, which means it gets fresh oil every 1200 miles. Dct transmissions usually have trouble if they don’t get an oil change enough.
If your cups keep falling out of the u-joints, a trick is 1/16 inch from the edge of the cup, drill and tap a 10-32 thread and insert a button head bolt with a washer on it. It will trap the caps in the u-joint. NASCAR teams do this to prevent this from happening it works really well I have not had this issue with my Talon but if i do, i will be doing this to every u-joint cup before installation.
I agree with the rear suspension issues, but you can jump it level if you learn to approach it right. I was sending mine at the dunes last week (100% stock with no adjustment) and I was landing and flying perfect. Flying them through the air takes driver control no matter your suspension set up.
@@gravesru i just may,we are headed for a two day ride this weekend, our Hadfield Mccoy trip was canceled this spring ,due to this damned virus,take care buddy
Nicely done video and review! I'm debating between the YXZ and the Talon for my first SXS purchase. (I have enough issues with the belt around my waist!) With the Talon; is it possible to use the same size tires/rims front and rear? And I gather the track width is narrower in the rear, than in the front. Should the back wheels be fitted with spacers to remedy this? Thanks for any comments!
Hi! I think the talon is the best all around vehicle, the YXZ is a better dune sxs. I have 32/9.5/14 tires on all 4 corners. I run a 6+1 front offset and a 4+3 rear offset because I don’t like wheel spacers.
I would agree with almost all of it. The only exception I would not is the fact that when you go to a bigger size tire, you do in fact risk some potential u-joint issues. If I was going to a larger tire, I would go to a more sturdy axle and u-joint as well. I would also point out that your set-up is nice, but it's a total desert runner spec. anyone using those tires in mud can plan on using the winch a lot, you are going to get stuck. My third observation (Again-mud spec) is that I would totally redesign the air-box and utilize a custom built snorkel kit.
Shock therapy has gone over the rough rear end issue, the fix they found works great is to put weight on the back. Like spare tire and carrier it won't pogo off woops and will help with nose diving on jumps.
Jerry Carter I would love to make riding videos but they DON’T turn out very good. The videos make it look far less steep than it actually is and I don’t have any good equipment besides my phone. I’m just a small timer. Thanks for watching though!
Honda Talon Turbo Owner really sorry to hear that. And to be honest , I thought you may not be happy bc of the lack of reviews. (Hopes it wasn’t the case) Sucks as that is a pretty large investment...
I’m hoping to pick up a new Talon X this week. Mainly will be trail riding and plowing snow. I think it’ll be better suited for my use than a belt driven UTV. It would be nice to have it last 20,000 miles versus a Polaris worn out by 6000 miles.
Angel Hernandez This review has nothing to do with bmw, but I’ve been driving bmws for 22yrs. 3 of my 4 are bmw diesel, which are unbelievably reliable. I was also stationed in Germany 9yrs & nothing holds up to 100-170mph daily driving like a bmw diesel. Also, bmw is the only auto manufacturer in the world that produces every single bmw model with a near perfect 50/50 weight distribution.
@@gravesru ,My Son has one (BMW 330I) I prefer Lexus butt BMW's are pretty amazing. Also I really do only worry about one thing when I'm out with my machine and that's the belt so I still believe I do have anxiety lol especially at the sand dune's here in Utah. I am looking into buying a Honda talon my best freind puchased the 4 door and is having the Jackson turbo installed as we speak.(first one in Utah County)Thank you for your posts and honesty.
Angel Hernandez I hope your friend is ready to have all kinds of issues with the turbo kit. It won’t run properly above 2,000ft. It will run very rich and take a ton of gas.
Where do you ride in CO. I live in Texas but also have a place near Salida CO. I have a 2019 1000X and have much the same thoughts as you do. I was going to get the turbo, but after thinking about it I've decided I'd rather have the Live Value version of the X.
Thank you for this video. I had an odyssey 350 that was quite an amazing piece of engineering back in the day. I am wondering if you have had to replace any wear items like bushings? Polaris seems to shred those, I would think (hope) that honda has overbuilt theirs? I wonder if the larger tires you are running (rotating mass) contribute to the lessened braking abilities? If honda fixes your issues these will be really good in 2-3 years. Is there a special aparatus to fill shocks with nitrogen?
Now remember you can’t talk bad about JR Turbo. They have a ton of man hour in R&D They have that turbo perfected and that’s why they charge $6K for a $500 turbo. LoL!!! Great review. Look up on Honda’s home page. You can buy a 300+ HP Turbo Honda Civic Type R Crate Motor bran new from Honda for $6K. So what JR is telling me and the rest of us is there is more R&D in developing a single turbo than there is developing a complete engine with a turbo. I’m sorry, but to me that’s funny and I will never believe that. I will never buy a JR Turbo or any other turbo for more than $2K. I payed 6$ K for twin STS turbos on my Ram 1500 4x4 Quad Cab with intercooler and it put 630 HP to the wheels.
Christopher Polvoorde I love your talon too, it’s a little different than mine! I can’t even drive mine if I’m above 2,000 feet elevation because the turbo kit makes it run wayyyyyy too rich. Jackson Racing keeps promising to deliver a fix for it, 3 months and nothing so far.
Before you continued on your Mexico to Canada trip you checked your valve clearance again. Did you ever have to adjust the clearance on your valves? Or did they check OK.
wayne owen for sure. I added that so people would know that can’t drive it until it’s repaired. I didn’t want them to think putting it in 2WD would get them home
I am new to utv,s. I am surprised that the quality falls short. Is there a tuner that will tune the engine and calibrate the tire size without a turbo. Also do utv,s require valve adjustments thanks and have a good one from West Tennessee
I do believe the Talon is the best all around sport utv and has the best quality. The talon rarely needs the valves adjusted, typically just when people run a cheaper air filter that lets dust through. I do believe there’s an aftermarket kit to adjust the speedometer. Most people just add 10% for 32’s to the speed/miles.
Hey dude great review, the talon I'm looking at has the Fox live valve suspension is it worth the extra cost? Do you have any experience or heard anything about it?
@@gravesru I live in Colorado too, do you recommend a turbo?? Or will a exhaust intake and tune make a big difference. I did the big 3 in all my quads and I'm pretty happy with it idk if its the same with a sxs
La vida del Ranchero The turbo kit has had elevation issues. But Jackson racing released a software update to fix it, but I haven’t tested it out yet. Definitely need a turbo, especially if you want bigger than 28” tires!!
Throw a K&N filter on there , never gotta replace it just clean it , and the factory brakes work good for racing just gotta use those Gears to slow down save the brakepads
The k&n let’s a ton of fine dust through, I definitely would not use a k&n. I used one with a foam sleeve for about 7k miles, and my entire intake system was dusted out! Just use a particle separator
Be careful carrying gas cans on your rzr if the heat of the engine can cause the gas to heat up to the flashing point and light your rig on fire. I know this from experience XD. Nice rig btw
Great video! Main reason I bought my Yamaha YXZ was the real gear on gear transmission. No belts for me! On a side note...I feel the 19-20 YXZ SS is the best SxS on the market. From a reliability..quality..comfort and price standpoint.
DUNE YXZ It could be. A guy I ride with occasionally has a YXZ. He got stuck in the snow and burnt his clutch. I can’t remember how much he paid to have it repaired. He actually wants to buy a Talon now.
DUNE YXZ The u joint with the Talon is a problem, but hundreds of Talons haven’t had one go out yet. There’s a guy with 16k miles on his talon and hasn’t had an issue yet. The YXZ typically doesn’t have clutch issues if driven correctly, but like a car, you can burn a clutch with a bad driver. With the Talon, even a bad driver can’t hurt the dct.
Well as someone who just purchased a new 2020 sxs I myself weighed the pros and cons on the DCT vs. belt and stuck with the belt for one reason that is a belt is 150 bucks to replace and 30min of your time if you abuse it and the DCT well if something does go wrong its bookoo money to fix/replace and Honda not having a factory turbo also... BUT if its like my '11 Rubicon hondamatic it will never break LOL @ 6k miles so far
Jeff B That’s why i bought a 5yr extended warranty for $1200. I will abuse it and if it breaks, it’s free. I would go through more than $1200 in belts, especially over a 5yr period. I had a Polaris go through 2 belts in one day trying to keep up with me.
Id there a better SXS ? You seem to really have a lot of issues with the Honda. Are you an engineer ? Thanks for the video. I have a Can Am and the Honda TalonR, like them both for different reasons. The Honda is built better than the Can Am.
Hey so I have a question for you and hope it gets answered....is the turbo kit that you got from Honda? If so, was it worth it to get it installed....I would like to add that when I decide to pull trigger on the X4LV
Stupid question, but how does the Talon on 32s climb STEEP inclines with the I4WD compared to the RZR etc locker diff? That's the only thing stopping me from pulling the trigger is I'm afraid it won't be able to do the steep climbs as well.. plz elaborate if you would..
Man I bought a 2021 Pioneer with the same issue on the propeller shaft ujoint cap it fell down the drive shaft Honda took care of it it only had 114 miles when fell out
parkcitymacs not really. I narrowed it down to hard off roading. By that, I mean pushing through deep mud of snow where all four tires are turning much faster than your land speed
@@gravesru Hmmm. Coming from racing motocross professionally, I'm pretty aggressive on the machine.... I'm guessing I need to look harder to solve this before mine goes.
parkcitymacs I haven’t had any issues with it on the race track, I don’t think you’ll have a problem there. I have 8,500 miles on my talon now, and the only time I had driveline issues was pushing through deep snow
Japoneses.. ya queremos que fabriquen los ATV 1000 CC, 🙏🏼 Ya tienen el motor 🤷🏻♂️ que esperan??? Ya esperamos bastante, ya enfada Rincon 680 y TRX 520 FA, ocupamos motor más potente para los ATV 🤷🏻♂️
yeah and the fact that when you drop $25,000 for a base model you have to drop another $5,000 to get what should be equipped on the machine. nickel and dime you for everything I'm surprised it comes with headlights
@@mcs1767 the steering rack on the R doesn’t turn as far. So people have put a X steering rack on their R so it turns more, and it binds up the outer joint on the axle & causes damage. I don’t think there’s a fix for it
@@gravesru the live valve shocks on my 1000R "bang" on rebound. I've loosened up the preload and it helped. Do you think the Shock Therapy "treatment" is worth it for the Live Valve shocks.
KSRRider turbo kit for sure. Suspension next, (I have the shock therapy springs, shocks revalved & added Fox iQS), heated seats are the cheapest upgrade for $36
Its crazy to me that people only put 3 to 4 k miles on their side by sides in a year ive had mine for4 months and already have 6 k miles on my honda pioneer 700 deluxe I've put over 100 miles on it in 1 day and I hope to keep putting them on all throughout the winter if it can handle it lol
If you live in snow country, you can only drive it half the year. All the trails where I live are groomed snowmobile trails in winter. They don’t take kindly to the trails being destroyed by bikes. I put 2000 kms on my pioneer 1000 the first summer. I didn’t think that was too bad. 6000 miles is 10,000 kms. You must drive it to work all year round.
@@gravesru that box has two failure spots, the air should always be removed from the dirty side of the box not the clean side but what do I know, I have always said engineers are the smartest dumb people you ever meet lol!
CF Moto Z8 The particle separator is by far the best way to go. When you add additional filters, you’re restricting air flow. And you definitely won’t be able to go a couple thousand miles between cleaning. The Jackson racing air box has a foam sleeve and a filter. Both need to be cleaned every 300 miles. Buy a particle separator.
CF Moto Z8 the particle separator removes 95% of dust. You still use the factory air box. The air box is above the engine which doesn’t matter, it’s just important where it sucks air from.
Jeez....what the heck, Honda? That seems like a lot of mistakes in the engineering department. The MSRP should be half of what it is. By the time you fix all the mistakes made by Honda your in the hole for a few grand. I think I'd rather go with a Can Am and do the performance mods myself. Cool little side-by-side though. Just too many problems for my taste.
Vincent Russo The canam x3 has far more problems. The entire front and rear suspension has to be upgraded because of their ultra cheap suspension components and design.
@@gravesru ah yes videos made like this always make people go off the deep end, and think these machines explode at 100 miles, its hard to make content that gives one view point without everyone thinking the whole line is trash. People just like to find the negative in everything even /shrug
@@gravesru exactly thats the truth, people need realise just because some utvs have different issues, still makes them a good buy and thats all brands.
Really!!, you would buy another Talon R 1000? Spend $500 on a particle separator, factory suspension is absolutely horrible, (spend $2,000+ and still not that great), weak breaks, inner retaining clip falls out, cup falls out of the U-joint,"bang, bang, bang", 3rd driveline in one year, front windshield rusting, frame paint pealing, worthless side mirrors, small gas tank, rides really hard. I admire your honesty, but why would you buy a SXS, spend $25,000+ with a turbo and accessories (guessing on price) and have to spend another 3-$5,000 to keep the engine from getting destroyed form dust and trying to make the ride tolerable??? Ok, so you really like the DCT transmission so you won't get stranded out in the boonies........I have owned a 2004 Kawasaki Brute Force 650 since it was new and have logged over 10,000 hard riding miles on it. I have replaced my belt only once in 16 years. My stock foam oiled air filter has NEVER been replaced. I clean and re-oil it about every 1,000 miles. I do most of my riding on very dusty mountain trails and large sand desert washes here in Kingman, AZ. My drive-line has never been in the shop and my engine pulls like a "raped ape" And I would buy one again! Thanks for your honesty!
Scott Young you cant compare an 04 brute to a talon. The abuse I put my talon through, your brute isn’t even capable of doing. Hit a jump at 70mph and fly 90ft in your Brute and see what happens. Pull a Tacoma pickup over 3 miles up and down hills and see how your clutch and belt likes that.
@@gravesru I never could understand why people have to push the limits of their machines and themselves to this degree? I don't drive my ATV to see how much abuse it can take.....I drive it to see how much enjoyment it can provide safely. I hope I NEVER see your UTV in one of these crash highlight videos. Be safe! th-cam.com/video/ebHfJexHC14/w-d-xo.html
@@scottyoung9275 people push themselves and their machines, because they love the challenge. Riding around slow can be enjoyable for a short time, but I find slamming through whoops at 70+ mph, jumping 60-100ft, slamming through trails at high speeds is alot more rewarding and enjoyable.
yes exactly you dont ride your machine like this owner does, there are alot of machines when run under normal conditions like yourself ride that last thousands of miles without incident.
Watch this video th-cam.com/video/Tgi_v9VkNPY/w-d-xo.html it will discuss the problem with ur Hondas rear suspension....from what it sounds like u ain't fixing that bucking problem
So it has crappy gas tank crappy suspension crappy air box crappy expensive parts mirrors you can’t use and less room inside etc. but “belt angsts” is a bridge to far.... 🤷🏽♂️
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I can't say enough about how much I appreciate your honesty. It's so refreshing to see someone who isn't afraid to point out problems. So many people make excuses, ignore flaws, kiss ass, or get paid to praise. Thank you again for your informative videos, I look forward to every one.
Mike Vann Thank you! I really appreciate your comments and support. I’m retired/disabled, so I can’t make any money, So I’ll never sell out my channel!
I appreciate your honesty in your videos. They have been great for insight on many different things. Keep up the good work.
Great video and Great information!! Been looking into side by sides and have been leaning towards one of these, appreciate the honesty about the machine and look forward to learning more through some of your other videos.
Just stumble on this channel but I’m glad I did.im in the process of purchasing a Honda talon 2019 model.thanks for making that video cause I have an idea of what I’m looking at thanks again..I’m in Utah..
Great video as always Russell! Here's to another happy 4000 miles more🍻. I'm getting lost in the dust and still running stock filter, just turned 300mi.
BykerJB Thanks buddy!
Thanks for the video. Hopefully Honda is listening and fixes some of these major issues. Driveline problems are unforgivable.
Me too!
Now this is a review!
Dalovesac King Thank you!
Great review and looks good! I did an UNI prefilter for $25 off amazon. I just checked factory filter after 300 miles and filter looks brand new. This filter is cleanable. UNI Hi Capacity 2-stage Pod filter Angled 6in 3in ID.
UNI part # UP6300AST
Good job with the video, Very informative
Thanks for the review.
I am on the fence about buying a 2019 Talon, as my (ordered Sept last year) RMAX 1000 will not be coming anytime soon to Ontario, Canada.
I am going to pass on the Talon for sale here, it is a 2019 with 500 miles on it for 27K Canadian.
I have been a Yamaha guy for 40 years.
I sold my X2 and X4 to get the RMAX and now I find I wont be seeing it until next year.
Your video turned me off the Talon, and helped me make my decision.
Thanks.
P.S. no belt anxiety on a Yamaha, 10 year warranty, I have never broken one, ever!
Very informative thought out review.. thanks , waiting on the dealership to call to pick mine up .
Thanks for watching!
Subbed. !! thanks for the review. honest is a great thing
17madracki17 thank you
Saw your unit at Fort Carson Co and loved it. Have a Maverick 1000r but im looking at a Talon 4.
That’s awesome!
Honest as always Man👊🇺🇸👊
D C Thank you, appreciate! I try to be completely honest with everything.
Excellent review Brother. I've always been a Honda guy, and have ridden their dirt bikes for decades. Not impressed with the newer bikes and issues they're having. Seems they have some work ahead of them to step up and hit one home on these.
Thanks for the info. I stopped to Honda dealer 2 days ago. Almost got it. But something was holding me back. So after your video no chance I am going to buy it. To much things to deal with.
Amiran On The Road Every utv has issues, but Honda is the best all around one out there.
Wait till u get stranded Bec of belt 😹 u will regret buying a belt driven transs...
iam a Yxz owner although the yxz doesnt have any issues with air filter I installed a partial separator it would be a good thing to get to keep your Honda engine safe
Thanks for the info. I’m picking mine up Friday. I bought the X. I wanted the R. But our trails are not always wide. That would piss me off over the rusty windshield. Hopefully the 2020 model fixed the front end problem you were having
yooper survival Thanks for watching! Honda will replace the windshield under their 1yr accessory warranty. Shock therapy is a must, dual rate springs and RIS with a rear spare. Then you’ll have a great machine. Don’t forget the particle separator!
Great video.....the DCT is the future for everyone......belts will soon be a thing of the past.......
Great, honest review. I've ridden with a couple talons but not enough to really have seen them in action a lot. Last ride with one it was overheating on the way back to the truck but we had been through some pretty nasty mud holes so he must have caked his radiator. I'm on my 2nd belt driven side by side and really like them for the riding we do in ky/tn. A gear on gear is more efficient but I worry a little about long term the DCT getting expensive. I like the simplicity of the CVT system and just carry a spare belt which i have yet to need on the trail. I dont have any belt anxiety but I am mindful of how I use it as far as just selecting the right range and not slipping it when climbing obstacles. With that said, I think out West I wouldn't like the CVT quite as well because I think higher speeds and wide open areas is where belt temps can get out of hand and we don't really have that issue here. I dont think any machine is perfect off the floor so the main thing is to be happy with your purchase. Thanks for the video
CumminsDriver635 Each person has different needs and driving conditions, so different machines are better for different people. I do think the dct will hold up for a long time. The engine and transmission share the same oil, which means it gets fresh oil every 1200 miles. Dct transmissions usually have trouble if they don’t get an oil change enough.
Several owners on the honda forums, have over 20k miles no issues with the DCT
kidamer E The dct is awesome
Great video I feel the same way about mine.
Thanks
quality review thank you! i' watch another one on your bmw!
I’m definitely a bmw fan
Great video bud!
nitrotmann Thanks brother
If your cups keep falling out of the u-joints, a trick is 1/16 inch from the edge of the cup, drill and tap a 10-32 thread and insert a button head bolt with a washer on it. It will trap the caps in the u-joint. NASCAR teams do this to prevent this from happening it works really well I have not had this issue with my Talon but if i do, i will be doing this to every u-joint cup before installation.
Rabin Pigg I still have 4yrs of warranty and doing that would void anything that goes wrong with the u joint or front driveline.
I agree with the rear suspension issues, but you can jump it level if you learn to approach it right. I was sending mine at the dunes last week (100% stock with no adjustment) and I was landing and flying perfect. Flying them through the air takes driver control no matter your suspension set up.
Suspension tuning really helps
Great video Russell, I now have 200 miles on mine, I enjoy your information, if your ever in upstate NY,look me up!!!!
Greenhill Well Drilling Thanks for watching! Come to Colorado and we will ride!
@@gravesru i just may,we are headed for a two day ride this weekend, our Hadfield Mccoy trip was canceled this spring ,due to this damned virus,take care buddy
Greenhill Well Drilling I’ll ride with you and show you the Colorado Springs area
Nicely done video and review! I'm debating between the YXZ and the Talon for my first SXS purchase. (I have enough issues with the belt around my waist!) With the Talon; is it possible to use the same size tires/rims front and rear? And I gather the track width is narrower in the rear, than in the front. Should the back wheels be fitted with spacers to remedy this? Thanks for any comments!
Hi! I think the talon is the best all around vehicle, the YXZ is a better dune sxs. I have 32/9.5/14 tires on all 4 corners. I run a 6+1 front offset and a 4+3 rear offset because I don’t like wheel spacers.
Thank you for telling the truth. I love not having a belt ( cat ) much prefer the dual clutch.
Thank you for watching. The talon is a great machine
After this many miles you would have replaced every part except the engine on a Polaris.
I have 10k miles now and still running strong!
Is the Polaris not that reliable?
@@flight2k5 not in my experience. But it also depends on how it’s driven and maintained.
@@flight2k5 my Polaris had a lot of problems then electrical gremlins. I never rode near as hard as most people around here either.
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I have belt anxiety even on my outlander and I've never broken one but it's a real concern.
I would agree with almost all of it. The only exception I would not is the fact that when you go to a bigger size tire, you do in fact risk some potential u-joint issues. If I was going to a larger tire, I would go to a more sturdy axle and u-joint as well. I would also point out that your set-up is nice, but it's a total desert runner spec. anyone using those tires in mud can plan on using the winch a lot, you are going to get stuck. My third observation (Again-mud spec) is that I would totally redesign the air-box and utilize a custom built snorkel kit.
I replaced the driveline twice with the factory 28’s. But since I put the 32’s on, I have 7000 miles without any driveline issues.
Shock therapy has gone over the rough rear end issue, the fix they found works great is to put weight on the back. Like spare tire and carrier it won't pogo off woops and will help with nose diving on jumps.
I have a video with a spare tire on the rear
Bro, you put up some extremely informative videos. One question.... why no significant riding or turbo review videos??? Thx
Jerry Carter I would love to make riding videos but they DON’T turn out very good. The videos make it look far less steep than it actually is and I don’t have any good equipment besides my phone. I’m just a small timer. Thanks for watching though!
Honda Talon Turbo Owner that’s understandable. Are you happy with the Turbuh....? Your videos are awesome.....
Jerry Carter I’m not happy at all. It doesn’t run right above 2k ft elevation. My next video will be of the turbo issues and why I don’t recommend it.
Honda Talon Turbo Owner really sorry to hear that. And to be honest , I thought you may not be happy bc of the lack of reviews. (Hopes it wasn’t the case) Sucks as that is a pretty large investment...
Jerry Carter I just want to be very thorough when I make a review. Like 3-4 months and hundreds of miles.
You should do a review of the 2021 model, and explain the problems that they fixed
That would be good!
I’m hoping to pick up a new Talon X this week. Mainly will be trail riding and plowing snow. I think it’ll be better suited for my use than a belt driven UTV. It would be nice to have it last 20,000 miles versus a Polaris worn out by 6000 miles.
Absolutely!!
Delivery keeps getting pushed back. Now it may show up next Friday. Hoping I don’t have to give up on it and buy a General instead.
@@gumps1986 wait for the talon.
Buys Honda for reliability but owns BMW's ??? Still great honest review thank you.
Angel Hernandez This review has nothing to do with bmw, but I’ve been driving bmws for 22yrs. 3 of my 4 are bmw diesel, which are unbelievably reliable. I was also stationed in Germany 9yrs & nothing holds up to 100-170mph daily driving like a bmw diesel. Also, bmw is the only auto manufacturer in the world that produces every single bmw model with a near perfect 50/50 weight distribution.
@@gravesru ,My Son has one (BMW 330I) I prefer Lexus butt BMW's are pretty amazing. Also I really do only worry about one thing when I'm out with my machine and that's the belt so I still believe I do have anxiety lol especially at the sand dune's here in Utah. I am looking into buying a Honda talon my best freind puchased the 4 door and is having the Jackson turbo installed as we speak.(first one in Utah County)Thank you for your posts and honesty.
Angel Hernandez I hope your friend is ready to have all kinds of issues with the turbo kit. It won’t run properly above 2,000ft. It will run very rich and take a ton of gas.
Where do you ride in CO. I live in Texas but also have a place near Salida CO. I have a 2019 1000X and have much the same thoughts as you do. I was going to get the turbo, but after thinking about it I've decided I'd rather have the Live Value version of the X.
mcs1 That isn’t far away, I live in Colorado Springs!
Thank you for this video. I had an odyssey 350 that was quite an amazing piece of engineering back in the day. I am wondering if you have had to replace any wear items like bushings? Polaris seems to shred those, I would think (hope) that honda has overbuilt theirs? I wonder if the larger tires you are running (rotating mass) contribute to the lessened braking abilities? If honda fixes your issues these will be really good in 2-3 years. Is there a special aparatus to fill shocks with nitrogen?
I have 10k miles on mine now and it’s holding up great. I replaced the front driveshaft twice and that’s it for repairs. The talon is a great machine
@@gravesru Gosh damn, really?? 10,000 miles now?
@@TheVenom8343 yes. And rough miles. Great machine
Now remember you can’t talk bad about JR Turbo. They have a ton of man hour in R&D They have that turbo perfected and that’s why they charge $6K for a $500 turbo. LoL!!! Great review. Look up on Honda’s home page. You can buy a 300+ HP Turbo Honda Civic Type R Crate Motor bran new from Honda for $6K. So what JR is telling me and the rest of us is there is more R&D in developing a single turbo than there is developing a complete engine with a turbo. I’m sorry, but to me that’s funny and I will never believe that. I will never buy a JR Turbo or any other turbo for more than $2K. I payed 6$ K for twin STS turbos on my Ram 1500 4x4 Quad Cab with intercooler and it put 630 HP to the wheels.
Thanks for watching!
Excellent review! Just subbed to your channel, is there a way I could contact you? I have some questions Id love to ask you, thanks Kyle
Thank you! You can write me on fb messenger. Honda-Talon Turbo-Russell
You can get a snorkel kit to solve the air intake dust thing. Great for deep water too.
A snorkel helps, but it’s not nearly as good as a particle separator
I love my talon
Christopher Polvoorde I love your talon too, it’s a little different than mine! I can’t even drive mine if I’m above 2,000 feet elevation because the turbo kit makes it run wayyyyyy too rich. Jackson Racing keeps promising to deliver a fix for it, 3 months and nothing so far.
Christopher Polvoorde Feel free to share this with people at big red. th-cam.com/video/ltMVw5LGCO0/w-d-xo.html
@@gravesru I will pass this along!
Christopher Polvoorde Thank you! Great job with the Talon Racing team, I definitely follow all the events!
Christopher how do we get ahold of a better tune for the turbo ? The Jackson tune isn't very good especially at high altitude.
Before you continued on your Mexico to Canada trip you checked your valve clearance again. Did you ever have to adjust the clearance on your valves? Or did they check OK.
Clifford Ratke I only checked them, never adjusted them. I have almost 7k miles on it and they are still perfect.
When will you be releasing video on turbo system mentioned in this video? Thanks
I did release the video, then I deleted it because the issues have been resolved
Im interested in getting a 2021 talon. Looks good. Not liking the u joint issues but hey there could be worse problems.
bishop198666 It really is a minor issue. The entire driveline is only about $200. I do recommend the extended warranty
bishop198666.........All of the side X sides I know of; the front drive-line turns all the time
wayne owen for sure. I added that so people would know that can’t drive it until it’s repaired. I didn’t want them to think putting it in 2WD would get them home
@@1gr8oil lol i know. i was talking about the u joint issue
I am new to utv,s. I am surprised that the quality falls short. Is there a tuner that will tune the engine and calibrate the tire size without a turbo. Also do utv,s require valve adjustments thanks and have a good one from West Tennessee
I do believe the Talon is the best all around sport utv and has the best quality. The talon rarely needs the valves adjusted, typically just when people run a cheaper air filter that lets dust through. I do believe there’s an aftermarket kit to adjust the speedometer. Most people just add 10% for 32’s to the speed/miles.
Is it a paper air filter element? Could it be serviced like a paper K&N?
64jazdude It’s a paper/oiled filter. I definitely don’t recommend anything but replacement. Go for the particle separator!
Very nice
Thanks for watching
Hey dude great review, the talon I'm looking at has the Fox live valve suspension is it worth the extra cost? Do you have any experience or heard anything about it?
La vida del Ranchero I would 100% pay extra for the live valve!
@@gravesru Thanks for the reply, how noise is the sand b particle separator?
La vida del Ranchero it’s loud, but with a rear panel I can’t hear it.
@@gravesru I live in Colorado too, do you recommend a turbo?? Or will a exhaust intake and tune make a big difference. I did the big 3 in all my quads and I'm pretty happy with it idk if its the same with a sxs
La vida del Ranchero The turbo kit has had elevation issues. But Jackson racing released a software update to fix it, but I haven’t tested it out yet. Definitely need a turbo, especially if you want bigger than 28” tires!!
Throw a K&N filter on there , never gotta replace it just clean it , and the factory brakes work good for racing just gotta use those Gears to slow down save the brakepads
The k&n let’s a ton of fine dust through, I definitely would not use a k&n. I used one with a foam sleeve for about 7k miles, and my entire intake system was dusted out! Just use a particle separator
Be careful carrying gas cans on your rzr if the heat of the engine can cause the gas to heat up to the flashing point and light your rig on fire. I know this from experience XD. Nice rig btw
Thanks for watching
Great video! Main reason I bought my Yamaha YXZ was the real gear on gear transmission. No belts for me! On a side note...I feel the 19-20 YXZ SS is the best SxS on the market. From a reliability..quality..comfort and price standpoint.
DUNE YXZ It could be. A guy I ride with occasionally has a YXZ. He got stuck in the snow and burnt his clutch. I can’t remember how much he paid to have it repaired. He actually wants to buy a Talon now.
Honda Talon Turbo Owner Wow! We have four YXZ’s in our group with high miles and not one problem...
DUNE YXZ The u joint with the Talon is a problem, but hundreds of Talons haven’t had one go out yet. There’s a guy with 16k miles on his talon and hasn’t had an issue yet. The YXZ typically doesn’t have clutch issues if driven correctly, but like a car, you can burn a clutch with a bad driver. With the Talon, even a bad driver can’t hurt the dct.
Honda Talon Turbo Owner Very true. My buddy has a Talon...no problems yet!
DUNE YXZ I think the Talon or YXZ is far better than any CVT sxs.
Well as someone who just purchased a new 2020 sxs I myself weighed the pros and cons on the DCT vs. belt and stuck with the belt for one reason that is a belt is 150 bucks to replace and 30min of your time if you abuse it and the DCT well if something does go wrong its bookoo money to fix/replace and Honda not having a factory turbo also... BUT if its like my '11 Rubicon hondamatic it will never break LOL @ 6k miles so far
Jeff B That’s why i bought a 5yr extended warranty for $1200. I will abuse it and if it breaks, it’s free. I would go through more than $1200 in belts, especially over a 5yr period. I had a Polaris go through 2 belts in one day trying to keep up with me.
@@gravesru There ya go then :) a day on the trails beats working any day!! stay safe out there
Id there a better SXS ? You seem to really have a lot of issues with the Honda. Are you an engineer ? Thanks for the video. I have a Can Am and the Honda TalonR, like them both for different reasons. The Honda is built better than the Can Am.
I think the talon is the best all around sxs out there. Some other sxs are better in certain areas. But every sxs has issues.
what is your thoughts on the bolt on turbo kit? Top speed? Cruising speed?
Absolutely love it!! Highly recommend it!
Hey so I have a question for you and hope it gets answered....is the turbo kit that you got from Honda? If so, was it worth it to get it installed....I would like to add that when I decide to pull trigger on the X4LV
Jackson racing sells the turbo kit!
@@gravesru was it worth investment....I know they make great kits for other vehicles so was hoping it gives significantly more power
skillz101989 im extremely happy since they corrected the software issue!
Stupid question, but how does the Talon on 32s climb STEEP inclines with the I4WD compared to the RZR etc locker diff? That's the only thing stopping me from pulling the trigger is I'm afraid it won't be able to do the steep climbs as well.. plz elaborate if you would..
I’m extremely impressed and very happy with i4wd!
@@gravesru would you say it climbs the steep stuff just as well as the rzrs locker differentials?
Jordan Chitwood yes, I do believe so!
Man I bought a 2021 Pioneer with the same issue on the propeller shaft ujoint cap it fell down the drive shaft Honda took care of it it only had 114 miles when fell out
Interesting. I didn’t know the pioneer had the same problem!
I wish you'd shown us this retaining clip. Wonder if you can just replace or modify.
I show the retaining clip & u joint in my 10k mile review video!
@@gravesru Thank you!
I'm have a issues with the Jackson racing update how can I contact you thanks
You can send me your email and I’ll write you
Any preventative suggestions for the clips on the u-joints?. Tack the clips?
parkcitymacs not really. I narrowed it down to hard off roading. By that, I mean pushing through deep mud of snow where all four tires are turning much faster than your land speed
@@gravesru Hmmm. Coming from racing motocross professionally, I'm pretty aggressive on the machine.... I'm guessing I need to look harder to solve this before mine goes.
parkcitymacs I haven’t had any issues with it on the race track, I don’t think you’ll have a problem there. I have 8,500 miles on my talon now, and the only time I had driveline issues was pushing through deep snow
Japoneses.. ya queremos que fabriquen los ATV 1000 CC, 🙏🏼 Ya tienen el motor 🤷🏻♂️ que esperan???
Ya esperamos bastante, ya enfada Rincon 680 y TRX 520 FA, ocupamos motor más potente para los ATV 🤷🏻♂️
I like how they kno the airbox is a problem so they make a 500$ solution
MrYaxalot That’s kind of true, but s & b makes a kit for most makes and models.
yeah and the fact that when you drop $25,000 for a base model you have to drop another $5,000 to get what should be equipped on the machine. nickel and dime you for everything I'm surprised it comes with headlights
Jeffrey Robinson it’s frustrating and very expensive
I just bought a 2021 1000 R live valve model. I had a 2019 1000 X. Do you know of any way to improve the 1000 R turning radius?
Not to my knowledge. If it turns any sharper, it will bind your front axles and cause damage
@@gravesru I believe my 1000 X turned a little sharper. Wonder what the difference is.
@@mcs1767 the X definitely turns sharper! The axles are different. That’s my only complaint with the R, bad turning radius.
@@mcs1767 the steering rack on the R doesn’t turn as far. So people have put a X steering rack on their R so it turns more, and it binds up the outer joint on the axle & causes damage. I don’t think there’s a fix for it
@@gravesru the live valve shocks on my 1000R "bang" on rebound. I've loosened up the preload and it helped. Do you think the Shock Therapy "treatment" is worth it for the Live Valve shocks.
Where did you get the in closed cab
It’s all OEM Honda stuff!
You got a video of this thing pulling a truck? I'm not saying it's not possible, I just want to see it lol
I don’t have a video of it.
Have you ever ridden around Salida
mcs1 Not that far. Just out by Westcliffe. I’ve heard there’s a bunch of good trails out that way
What’s the wheel set up
Jake81283 th-cam.com/video/EaGJNFv-c_E/w-d-xo.html
Did they fix any of these issues with the 2021's?
Not that I’m aware of!
Honda Talon Turbo Adventures Owner well damn! I really want a Talon but I’m not dropping 20+ K until the kinks are worked out.
KSRRider I have 10k miles on it now and haven’t had any additional issues
Honda Talon Turbo Adventures Owner Thanks. what would you say is the best upgrade you’ve done?
KSRRider turbo kit for sure. Suspension next, (I have the shock therapy springs, shocks revalved & added Fox iQS), heated seats are the cheapest upgrade for $36
Nice looking car though.
Considered by the Honda but I ended up with a Can-Am. Nothing is perfect
Jerry Lund True. Each vehicle has issues. X3 has a very weak suspension that needs upgraded
Its crazy to me that people only put 3 to 4 k miles on their side by sides in a year ive had mine for4 months and already have 6 k miles on my honda pioneer 700 deluxe I've put over 100 miles on it in 1 day and I hope to keep putting them on all throughout the winter if it can handle it lol
Some people do 500 miles a year
If you live in snow country, you can only drive it half the year. All the trails where I live are groomed snowmobile trails in winter. They don’t take kindly to the trails being destroyed by bikes. I put 2000 kms on my pioneer 1000 the first summer. I didn’t think that was too bad. 6000 miles is 10,000 kms. You must drive it to work all year round.
@@loveistheanswer8137 many people put tracks on their talon and use it year around.
Those issues are nothing compare to my 19 rzr xp turbo...
Can’t you just add too the snorkel to get it up out of the dust?
Don Payne you could do that, but the particle separator is the best way to go.
Honda Talon Turbo Owner agree if you live in a dusty terrain in the mountains not worth the money.
That is probably the dumbest air filter box design I have ever seen! It's backwards, if the out lid seal leaks then the engine will get dusted
Greg Corkern exactly.
@@gravesru that box has two failure spots, the air should always be removed from the dirty side of the box not the clean side but what do I know, I have always said engineers are the smartest dumb people you ever meet lol!
Greg Corkern I don’t have that air box anymore! Just a bad design
Honda will update the parts if there is enough complaints. They do this for most of there parts
Wheres the video with the turbo kit issues?
I deleted the video because the issues have been resolved. A software update fixed them. I have 7k miles on my turbo kit, I’ll make a new review on it
Didn’t solve my issues
@@billhampton4921 that’s weird. I drove 5k miles 4K ft to 12k ft and it ran perfectly and my afr was perfect as well
I’m at sea level and it went from super lean before the update to very rich after now it fouls plugs every ride
@@billhampton4921 that’s very unusual. It sounds like a separate issue. How’s the O2 sensor?
Ever considered putting a decent cage on that thing?!
Rt Definitely not. This cage is more than adequate.
Hmm..👌
First comment whoop whoop
Awesome!
Needs more travel... I forsee honda pulling out of the utv game I don't think they will be able to compete with canam x3 or razor
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who makes those nerf bars
Paul albright th-cam.com/video/_xwDbCeeB8Y/w-d-xo.html
Thx
Found out about a new sickness I have...."BELT ANXIETY" thank you.
Angel Hernandez I never implied you have it. Every person I ride with that has a belt has belt anxiety.
U put a turbo on it.
Yep. Have one on it
Connect an after market pre air cleaner to the air box, for the fraction of the price! Problem solved!
CF Moto Z8 The particle separator is by far the best way to go. When you add additional filters, you’re restricting air flow. And you definitely won’t be able to go a couple thousand miles between cleaning. The Jackson racing air box has a foam sleeve and a filter. Both need to be cleaned every 300 miles. Buy a particle separator.
Honda Talon Turbo Owner a pre air cleaner isn’t a filter! Check out Donaldson Top spin!
CF Moto Z8 Yes! I misread your first comment! I do highly recommend the particle separator though
Honda Talon Turbo Owner does the particle separator also replaces the factory air Box? Where was the factory airbox located?
CF Moto Z8 the particle separator removes 95% of dust. You still use the factory air box. The air box is above the engine which doesn’t matter, it’s just important where it sucks air from.
Jeez....what the heck, Honda? That seems like a lot of mistakes in the engineering department. The MSRP should be half of what it is. By the time you fix all the mistakes made by Honda your in the hole for a few grand. I think I'd rather go with a Can Am and do the performance mods myself. Cool little side-by-side though. Just too many problems for my taste.
Vincent Russo The canam x3 has far more problems. The entire front and rear suspension has to be upgraded because of their ultra cheap suspension components and design.
@@gravesru ah yes videos made like this always make people go off the deep end, and think these machines explode at 100 miles, its hard to make content that gives one view point without everyone thinking the whole line is trash. People just like to find the negative in everything even /shrug
kidamer E I try to make an honest review. Every utv has issues
@@gravesru exactly thats the truth, people need realise just because some utvs have different issues, still makes them a good buy and thats all brands.
Really!!, you would buy another Talon R 1000? Spend $500 on a particle separator, factory suspension is absolutely horrible, (spend $2,000+ and still not that great), weak breaks, inner retaining clip falls out, cup falls out of the U-joint,"bang, bang, bang", 3rd driveline in one year, front windshield rusting, frame paint pealing, worthless side mirrors, small gas tank, rides really hard. I admire your honesty, but why would you buy a SXS, spend $25,000+ with a turbo and accessories (guessing on price) and have to spend another 3-$5,000 to keep the engine from getting destroyed form dust and trying to make the ride tolerable??? Ok, so you really like the DCT transmission so you won't get stranded out in the boonies........I have owned a 2004 Kawasaki Brute Force 650 since it was new and have logged over 10,000 hard riding miles on it. I have replaced my belt only once in 16 years. My stock foam oiled air filter has NEVER been replaced. I clean and re-oil it about every 1,000 miles. I do most of my riding on very dusty mountain trails and large sand desert washes here in Kingman, AZ. My drive-line has never been in the shop and my engine pulls like a "raped ape"
And I would buy one again!
Thanks for your honesty!
Scott Young you cant compare an 04 brute to a talon. The abuse I put my talon through, your brute isn’t even capable of doing. Hit a jump at 70mph and fly 90ft in your Brute and see what happens. Pull a Tacoma pickup over 3 miles up and down hills and see how your clutch and belt likes that.
@@gravesru I never could understand why people have to push the limits of their machines and themselves to this degree? I don't drive my ATV to see how much abuse it can take.....I drive it to see how much enjoyment it can provide safely. I hope I NEVER see your UTV in one of these crash highlight videos. Be safe!
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@@scottyoung9275 people push themselves and their machines, because they love the challenge. Riding around slow can be enjoyable for a short time, but I find slamming through whoops at 70+ mph, jumping 60-100ft, slamming through trails at high speeds is alot more rewarding and enjoyable.
yes exactly you dont ride your machine like this owner does, there are alot of machines when run under normal conditions like yourself ride that last thousands of miles without incident.
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Sounds like you need a Can Am.
I prefer reliability
Watch this video th-cam.com/video/Tgi_v9VkNPY/w-d-xo.html it will discuss the problem with ur Hondas rear suspension....from what it sounds like u ain't fixing that bucking problem
wsy480 I watched that when it came out. I’ll be in Phoenix next week with shock therapy. I’ll make a new video about what they are doing to my talon
Belt anxiety ? Come on man . You trying to cover up the problems with the Talons by saying that.
People with belts say stuff all the time, like I can’t do that, I don’t want to go through a belt.
So it has crappy gas tank crappy suspension crappy air box crappy expensive parts mirrors you can’t use and less room inside etc. but “belt angsts” is a bridge to far.... 🤷🏽♂️
yeah because every other brand is dirt cheap to fix
So basically don’t get a talon
Not a year old and its RUSTING???? WTFFF
Very disappointing!!! Honda did replace it under warranty though!
California model? 🤣🤣🤣
Yes, the California model is different.
Buy a machine and modify tf out of it, drive the shit out of it then complain about it, seams legit🤷♂️
The Talon is the best all around machine, but it’s not perfect. So I share what I don’t like so others can be prepared before they buy it.
Poor design. Can am is better.
Lucky Ducky I disagree. Canam has a horrible single sheer mounting system on the front and rear suspension of the machine.
Honda Talon Turbo Owner...Not to mention really bad visibility and horrendous clutch noise.
@@gravesru maybe so but no breakdowns, ever.
KRX is best stock... Honda is still most reliable. Let’s give them a chance with a gen 2 and see how they do.