Exactly. Their stance on cheating is alive and well as Bidens mental health. We all know there's a problem, but for some reason nothing is being done with half the population in denial/mentally ill.
It is a huge issue. Alot of people who dont agree only disagree because they benefit from it. Smh. It would be the same as a cheater getting mad for being banned for cheating. They think it is right because they benefit from it.
@@gamerprodigy107brother your subs are public and if I were you I would be more concerned with talking to a real woman than if some random D2 player actually earned those 2 pass levels or not.
@@ilredelnulla9837 If you thinking Guardian1234 getting a good exotic class item thru macroing was in the top 100 problems for this game you're out of your damn mind.
It's interesting how they banned the whole macro team, even though they, in their words, haven't been playing for weeks. Edit: I'm not saying it's right or wrong it's just interesting to see how bungie has gone about this that's all I'm saying
because they made the tool that allows for it...... macros are still cheating and using a 3dr part tool to do functions inside the game is no different than using cheat software, the only difference is one does automation of inputs while another gives you unfair advantages
@@externalboss9404I'm an old RS player myself. Never macroed anything in my whole time playing. If I'm not playing myself, what's the point then ya know? I've earned every level of my skills legitimately.
I don't understand why they're so stingy with these things. Player base is low and there's nothing big to look forward to so I don't see any new players jumping in either.
Its not the first time, well the macro banis, but not the being stingey. They pulled same drop chance killing moves for the forge back in the day. Remember the world chests in witch queen? Were very farmable. Then they changed it so it was mostly a waste of time so the player had to spend weeks and weeks farming to get the red borders from the throne world chests.
@MS-gv9wr I don't have an issue with banning macros to get idle loot but all the ways to get the class items suck so much. If they were good, we wouldn't be in this spot to begin with.
Twitch commenter: you played runescape? Cross: yeah I don't really talk about it much. Also cross in every other video: let me tell you how this compares to a runescape situation.
yea you know his ass wanted to say something like "ya you know i did play this little indie browser game called runscape wasn't that popular you know" XD he new what he was doing
I mean, maybe they are. They said they are working on it. They can't just think up something and then use magic spells to implement it. Things take time. Exotic class items are something they have never done before and there are obviously some challenges. Maybe eliminating the macro farm is the precursor to making it a little easier than the Xur change.
@@erikweldon411it's just loot - no matter how rare they want it to keep for obvious reasons, it's not that complicated to open drop chances to other activities with 1/64...
@@natteem5127 I know all the game devs in here know exactly how hard and hard it isn't. It isn't about just opening it up, it is about figuring out what the drop rates, odds of it dropping from an activity, maybe implementing a knockout system, etc.
@@leonydus9889 If Bungie actually banned cheaters that would be fucking great 😂 but they don't, they ban workarounds of boring repetitive bullshit. I didn't even do it as I'm on console but there's nothing wrong with it.
They destroyed normal farming chests. And they think giving xur an exotic class item one per character and it randomly will show up week to week in xur. How will that change anything? That’s nothing. They are completely lost with these class items. I quit farming it’s a waste of time. I want to farm. Pleas fix this now. Not 2 months from now. This is not complicated.the chest farming is absolutely terrible
@@DamienSmyth-v6k So with your good luck you'd need to be farming this shit for 50 hours straight to make sure you (on average) get the exact roll you want. On all 3 characters. If you don't think that's bad, good for you. Some of us dont wanna mindlessly grind a lame, underpowered activity for days on end tho.
Honestly, just allow players to select checkpoints for Raids and Dungeons. Build it in-game because your players are either using checkpoint bots or character swapping anyway. Huge QoL and win for players if you just let us choose our checkpoints from orbit.
There would have to be restrictions to that. Easy one would be allowing that after you have completed the encounter for the week or something to that effect.
@@erikweldon411honestly I could live with that but then you’d still have it where one person would be the lead and the rest wouldn’t need to do it to get the checkpoint. We’d be in the same situation we are now.
@@nolandbeyond6230 Well, at least someone still finished the encounter. I know it doesn't do too much but it would be better than just opening up everything.
@@erikweldon411 but that just brings it back to the point of people are going to find a way around having to do the encounter anyway. As it stands, you're either using a checkpoint bot, finding the CP on LFG, or character swapping... all of which are allowed. Adding the ability to select your checkpoint changes literally nothing, other than reducing player headache to achieve the same task. The idea of adding new functionality and then making players do MORE to achieve the same goal seems counter-intuitive. For new raids/dungeons... just remove the CP selector for a full season. This is also a 10-year old game. Just give your raid/dungeon farmers a break and let them choose the CP.
Checkpoint bots are not included. They are leaving them alone. Confirmed on their X account. EDIT - just got to that in the video. How bout this? Give us a final encounter checkpoint in Dual Destiny.
Ideas to make the (now mandatorily hands-on) grind more manageable: ⚪️Boost ALL Glimmer gained from ALL sources by double their current rates (even before Ghost and Battle pass modifiers). ⚪️Make it so that ALL Ritual activities have the chance to reward additional Masterwork Cores upon activity completion, with activity streaks increasing your odds by up to 50%. ⚪️Revamp destinations and their vendors/activities to be more rewarding, AND revive weekly shifting flashpoints that act as reputation and rewards boosts for completing activities in that area. As a bonus, make it so that the weekly nightfall is _always_ at the flashpoint destination AND that the doubled up Destination and Nightfall/Reputation boosts stack upon each other. ⚪️Revamp holiday activities to last the entire length of an episode. ⚪️Make it so that Double XP Weeks are ALWAYS also Double Loot Weeks. ⚪️Collapse double XP/Rewards weeks for Trials and Iron Banner into Crucible boost weeks. ⚪️Have Xur hand out “Strange Bounties” that reward you for taking on some of the hardest activities in the game with appropriate rewards… For example, one bounty for doing every encounter of Master Difficulty “Crota’s End” before expiration would reward an entire set of Fully Masterworked Artifice Raid Armor with stats weighted towards your ghost’s armor mod.
But all of this would take work! The 15 people left developing Destiny would have to do this over productive work, aka developing monetizable eververse skins.
@@leonydus9889 It isn't cheating. If it was they would've got rid of it asap. It was used to circumvent a shitty rng and rate drop that got tedious after half an hour, which equates to literally 1 drop. Considering there are only like 2 combinations that are viable for titan and warlock, rng is a bitch, and people like you who are saying it was a good thing that people are getting banned for using a macro don't have the mental capacity to even comprehend how to set a macro up, probably same mfs that complain dual destiny isn't possible solo.
@@the3rdpotato951 That's even worse if it's true, and the afk ban isn't terrible, it makes sense but in that case, make your drop rates reasonable after continued community feedback about how bad it is. Not even mentioning them banning people before the policy got announced.
Xur Class Items: Assume 2 a week, what will that net you? In 1Y or 100 drops = 50% chance you get the one you want. In 5Y, you have a 98% chance to get what you want. Does anyone really think Xur is going to help the situation?
No it’s not lol. This is what you call a fake “solution” they want people to believe they are really listening but it’s bungie at this point they don’t care to let fans down. The company is dying and there is no incentive to satisfy its players needs. This is a dying ship that is squeezing the last bit of juice it can get out of it’s playerbase
@@kombatres You can't get an unlimited amount because your strange coins are capped at 99. You could get max 2 every time he sells IF you could even buy more than one which in typical Bungie fashion wouldn't be the case anyway. Which is laughable.
@@lanycera sure, but you can buy one/two, go play the game get more coins, go back in an hour with 41 again, etc. Obviously that's what I meant by "unlimited"
-Bungie creates class item, overhypes but misleads community on how it will be earned. -community (in general) not happy with acquisition of class item. -players find bug that allows duplicate drops in mission. -Bungie fixes bug. -players on a particular platform discover a loophole/work-around for farming the item” as intended” in open world content. -Bungie reduces drop chance from chests. -Bungie bans macros. And you wonder why this game is dying and will continue to hemorrhage players.
What a joke of a company. It's honestly impressive the lengths they will go to make the player experience worse. They literally banned the macro creators before updating the TOS, then straight up lied about it. How can anyone defend this?
Destiny should have an in-game checkpoint system that lets you go to any checkpoint in the raid or dungeon after completing it at least once, which lets you farm encounters or go to the encounter that you want to do. Having to use a checkpoint bot or go to orbit and change characters and all that stuff seems way too unnecessary and artificially increases how long farming takes. Pinnacle challenges for completing raids and dungeons could also be changed to complete 2 or 3 encounters from the raid/dungeon, or just be left as defeat the final boss
Unironically that's part of the reason why they don't do jack squat against carry services nearly as harshly as you'd think, those are still people continuously making accounts, and buying the content so they can carry people. They can go all gangbusters and indiscriminately banning people they think are in some big cabal on Discord but an array of companies that you can literally get ads for as you watch a Destiny video doing paid carries, recoveries, etc, no meaningful action because those are still people buying the game. Same story with the blatant cheaters, it's still people buying the product to cheat and that is still better than somebody who plays clean but doesn't spend much.
This might be the idea, the community wants more, the devs dont want to make more, alienate the entire community and it will be easy to move into marathon with a new player base. i mean what other reason do they have to nerf this stuff, without buffing other ways a ton.
@@usagtone weirdo take bro, you’re gonna be sad when it’s harder to find people for specific activities. Garden of Salvation, good raid no one plays, SE already hard to find people, but sure dawg be the last Guardian standing!! Ggs
@@marcosortega5210 I guess you can't read, I am a solo player , I also have a mental illness/disability, solo players will never have the exotic class items, if you like to cheat, good for you , I hope Bungie issues an IP Ban , I guess you don't mind your wife kissing another man. cheating is cheating regardless of how small or big it is. stop whining
They should just rotate the Exotic Class Items through different playlists each week as an additional reward. GM one week, Trials the next week, Onslaught, maybe after completing a certain number of Comp matches, etc. That would give people a chance to farm the week it is in their desired activity, and maybe increase interest for them in other weeks. We also shouldn't need CP bots. After completing a raid you should be able to select whatever checkpoint you want from the drop down, EZ.
@@arthur_pd True, but I think the methods currently suck. Farming strange coins to buy from Xur helps but will be slow, and I think the only other thing they did is increase the chance from Matchmade Overthrow, and I'd rather stab myself in the eye than run Overthrow and Dual Destiny over and over.
@@drphumbles well now that macro is banned, I think bungie should let us farm chest again, but again bungie did say other methods of getting class item will be keep coming, not Xur is the first step
i hope the destiny community would fallow your example and offer reasonable solutions but that is not the case . most of the community believe they are entitled to demands and just make hateful posts and comments.
@@SmkyPkmi sure hope so. Can't stand people like you when I'm trying to run an activity. Just doing circles in spawn. Handle your business before gaming. How hard is that?
At this point I can’t help but think Bungie wants the game to die. Is the plan to devalue the company until it reaches the point where it can be purchased back from Sony? That’s the only logical conclusion I can think of; Bungie is making every bad choice possible.
I never used macros in my life. When I realized how taxing it was going to be, I used the macro for days on end, and STILL never got my rolls. That is the problem with it.
A macro is much easier to detect because it is quite literally a uniform, looped series of inputs. Cheats that are free are banned quickly. The many providers of premium cheats go out of their way to make sure people keep paying for cheats, which means beating the anti cheat, which is only so good each passing day (and with what little staff is left for that department lmao). Macros never change how they work, very easy to detect. Cheats are updated to bypass the anti cheat often. Two entirely different things there. A lot of games deal with macros differently. In this case, Bungie just doesn't want people to be leeching off of the work of other players or essentially sabatoging crucible matches by being AFK. But since it seems people's big point of being overly dramatic, which was CP bots and such things being banned, which Bungie said would actually be okay as they did not directly harm the experience of other players, then the situation really is just people making a mountain of an ant hill. For a solid chunk of (what's left) of the player base, this changes basically nothing, and if anything, helps with getting rid of those teammates in activities who do nothing.
@@leonydus9889 There's cheating, and then there's automating menial tasks. If you truly believe that people should be banned for circumventing Bungie's terrible design philosophy when it comes to things that are macroable, then you don't understand the issues to begin with.
i play console and it doesnt bug me that people cheat or whatever .what makes me mad is getting rid of exotic farming from lostsectors. I wasted 4 golf balls and cyphers just to get trash stats...
Can you imagine what it’ll be like when Bungie adds more Spirits in the future? We’re going to need over 300+ vault space just to save all these exotic class items and we are going to have to spend years of our life getting them. They need to overhaul the system.
If Bungie gave the playerbase more ways to earn the exotic class items, the PC community wouldn't have resorted to using macros. The exotic class items should be earnable in both Pathfinders, ritual activities, raids, dungeons, GMs, replayable story missions, old exotic missions, etcetera. If Bungie gave us more resources to get these items, then there wouldn't be a reason to macro farm since there would be a decent farm for the exotic.
@usagtone An ip ban for afk farming is a bit far. They should've made it clear that macros were against TOS in the first place and not a morally grey area. That is Bungie's fault for not being clear in the first place. Plus the community wouldn't have resorted to using macros due to the reasons I posted in my comment.
Ah, typical Bungie. Addressing the symptom instead of the root problem. This is one of those times that I appreciate Digital Extremes for the way they communicate and engage with their playerbase. I haven't played Warframe in years but I still watch their streams and dev shorts. Whenever someone in chat brings up a topic no matter how sensitive, the devs address it and explain why it exists and what they are doing to change it or why they can't. It boggles my mind why Bungie chooses to be stingy with these things, and when confronted either deflects or ignores the issue. As someone else said in another video (paraphrasing heavily here lmao): Actual bugs/cheating exist: I sleep Macro farming because rewards/RNG are crap: HOLY SHIT NUKE IT ALL TO HELL
It's not that the perks that appear in it don't have it, but they increase the probability so that we only have the perks that we have, but now the macros... Don't they know that if bungie increase the play time and reduce the number of users, the total play time decreases?
What if Bungie made it so that you can either get "class item engrams" or just use whatever " exotic engrams" you're holding. Then, however many you're holding, will get turned to a class item once you complete a dual destiny run. Meaning you can aquire engrams from just playing the game (10 max). But you still have to play dual destiny to get the item. This will prevent us from playing dual destiny as often (prevent burnout) and we can get up to 10 items per run. Making it feel rewarding.
So, you are a shill if you aren't mad that something that is banned in almost any other MMORPG or game like it also got banned in this game? Everyone knew it was coming. Everyone. Except for the non-shills like you, apparently
@@erikweldon411 because there is other issues that should be prioritized over this, and player numbers speak for themself, which is what the guy is saying. If you think afk farming is worse than PvP cheating/hacking you have some type narcissist problem as one cheating actively affects others, especially Trials, and while the other has no impact on other players unless you inspect them and get salty
@@marcosortega5210i play on console and have never once seen a cheater so pc players using macros to get a advantage over me is a bigger problem than the cheaters idc about your problems just mine
Look. I'm going to be real. I quit this game because of class items (and ergo sum). Since launch of the nearly 300 hours I put in the season alone, 200 of that was spent physically grinding out class items and ergo sum. I never got the ergo sum I want. Not a single wave frame reprieve. I never got the class item I want. Not a minute of that was spent using a macro. I don't doubt that had I ran macros I might have stuck around. At least I'd have avoided burning out. When I was young I spent a nearly unhealthy amount of time grinding out a Black Dragoon Whelping in vanilla wow. This grind was substantially worse than that one ever could have been. I wash my hands of it.
Yet WoW is having the opposite problem. They let macros persist and get to the point that players pressure others to use macros in dungeons, and they create encounters with the assumption players use the macros (weak auras). So it's good that they are now making a point to ban macros.
I totally remember forge being unplayable. I was trying to get izanagi and jotuun and Everytime I would enter a forge everyone would be afk, it ruined the mode so I wasn't against them fixing that
Does that affect or hurt those that actually farm the same chest (meaning: land at the landing and get chest return to orbit, come back in, and get the chest again, rinse and repeat)? If that person is actually playing, going in getting the chest leaving and going back in, get the chest again.
Macro’s is technically “cheating” and always has been against TOS, bungie just updated the TOS to make it clear so no one can cheat, however if someone is just using it strictly to farm xp then it shouldn’t be a bannable offense.
@@mythicaldragon2260 anti cheat can only be updated as fast as they find the exploit. Cheating software companies is really quick to update since they can operate/ exploit a new update soon as it drops. Everyone thinks anti cheat is has the ability to detect everything when some cheating softwares are just too damn advanced and the folks running that is even quicker. And to further my point I don’t see macro farming as a real important threat but it’s an issue nonetheless it shouldn’t need much priority since bungie clarified their TOS on macro key binds thus the situation for that is over with. I believe it’s cheating since it uses an unauthorized form of input that’s completely automated once u flip it on.
When I first started playing destiny i wanted to do anything for shortcuts like macro farm, but 300 hours into the game i started getting more and more unlocks simply by playing, I ended up meeting a player in game that lead me to a great clan that raids and does other harder content together, it was at that level of my playtime i got more scared of doing any shortcuts like macro farming, i already had to many hours and had a lot of money on expansion dlc and silver. I'm at 3500 hours now and I would not be able to handle a ban and lose all the time I've put into the game. I do see accounts with so many hours and lots of no longer obtainable loot, lots of titles and unlocks still doing bannable shortcuts and it just blows my mind, but on the other half i know there are lots of stolen accounts also.
Bootlickers? Because people aren't surprised they banned something that only 1 of the 5 methods to play this game can actually use? Talk about tone deaf.
The thing is macro farming in public lobbies where it could effect other players, such as forge farming mentioned in the early video, is banned. What was banned here is farming purely single player experiences to ease up on a kinda ridiculous grind where the Exotic class items are concerned. I dont think its the end of the world, but macro farming would drop if they fixed the core of the solution being extremely poor drop rates with no bad luck protection, and at a time like this where bungie is already losing favor with the community, its just kinda a punch in the nuts for anyone just trying to catch up
Guild wars used to have an in game “execution” style banning where it would be Grenth (a grim reaper like God) would come and slice you in game and your character would be dead on the floor
@sabrinajade2205 the issue is the drop rate is beyond sh*t and we have so many other problems that trump macros. We have cheaters, a broken crafting system, lack of actual good gameplay past the campaign, and Bungie decided to target something that would only serve to benefit everyone. Macros keep player counts up and allow people to have social lives.
I kind of felt the AFk farming last night. Kept trying to run night Falls and kept getting what I thought was newbies at level 1900 with white gear. Couldn’t get a thing done
@@erikweldon411 he’s not saying that. He’s literally saying that because of accounts that afk farm will be banned/not login that player numbers are gonna be down
My main concern out of all of this is: is the wish wall macro safe? Stopped caring about class items like 2 weeks after Dual Destiny went live. I'm a solo player and being locked out of that activity is ass. Can't be assed to LFG for any raids anymore, let alone Last Wish, which I still need red borders from, which is why I use the wish wall macro to get to the checkpoints I need in order to get the chests every week. If that's bannable now, then there's quite literally no reason for me to log on anymore.
An infinite vault and/or unlimited inventory size would be the best change for the game to solve a majority of these kinds of issues. Player sentiment to big meta shakeups, insane grinds, weapons refreshes would so much better if everything wasn’t limited. -Sunsetting introduced, vault cleanse, sunsetting removed from future releases, sunsetting removed retroactively, all old weapon rolls you had are gone, players mad? This wouldn’t have been an issue if there was an infinite vault to store all the sunset gear. -Terrible event weapons with even worse rolls year after year with perk refreshes for artificial grind? Wouldn’t be as much an issue with infinite vault to store previous year’s weapons. -Activities give tons of terrible loot? Wouldn’t be an issue with infinite vault to store this loot (or just have a custom auto delete feature). -People macro farming resources and exotic armor because the grind is one of the worst experiences seen by players? It would still be a major issue for most players, but some don’t do it because there’s so many potential slots taken up by various rolls (like me). I don’t want to spend my time in-game managing my inventory, getting bounties, picking up quests, hearing NPC dialogue with no animations. I want to play it. An infinite vault or better inventory management system wouldn’t solve all the issues, but it would make most of them less annoying.
Infinite vault space!? 🤣 You do realize there is a database that has to keep track of every item for millions of players right? Gotta love these armchair game dev solutions in TH-cam comments. You guys are a special bunch
@@captainbuzzkill4658 I know this is an armchair dev counterpoint, but there are games that do it (Warframe notably, Overwatch with stats/cosmetics/currencies, and Fortnite with custom cosmetics and trackers). Those are the games I have experience with. I would like to know what the primary issue with D2 would be for genuine curiosity. I’m assuming you don’t know and your knowledge on the subject isn’t too high. Please prove me wrong. Please tell me why the resources dedicated to fix it would be too much strain on the resources they’ve misused in the past ($4bn from the Sony deal).
@@mrfluffsalot8587i don’t think the engine would allow for it. The reason it works in other games because those engines are much more optimised for having infinite storage.
@@mrfluffsalot8587 You're comparing functional assets with a hundred+ different rolls to cosmetics and number trackers. Imagine it like a garage. You can fit a lot more images of cars, money to purchase parts for said cars or the cars themselves and numbers to show how many miles you've driven with those cars in there than you can fit actual cars. Even Warframe imposes limits on your inventory through the slot system, not to mention it has much fewer weapons than Destiny 2 does and doesn't have random rolls. And before you mention the countless mod and appearance setups you can have, those have had issues saving since 2013 and that bug has flared up even more in recent times. The bug is likely caused by an issue in communication between memory and storage, and it flaring up most likely means that the amount of weapons and frames the game has had added to it since release exacerbated it.
Destiny, you had a special place in my heart since the original game, however you decided to hold on to stupid designers and developers, refusing to hold management accountable for their stupidity for years. i have moved on. it was not you it was me. i just could not handle how you changed and i think we grew apart. Wish you all the best.
I macro farmed ban me please so when my friends try to get me to play again I have the excuse of "oops sorry I'm banned" instead of "nah I'm good the game sucks and Bungie doesn't know what they are doing"
@@Music_Never_Stops Key point here "try to get me to play again" I've been gone man but if it'll make you feel better about your ex I'll reinstall and uninstall again just for you
i have two entire pages of hunter exotic class items in my vault. still didn't get the one i wanted. wouldn't be surprised if they intentionally lowered the drop chance for the good ones. just letting all the people know that didn't macro farm not to waist your time until we have the attunement. if i didn't get what i wanted, you don't have a chance in hell doing it legitimately. that's ultimately the problem and what people are upset about. people that didn't macro farm don't have the framework to understand how impossible there chances are. now with all that being said i agree with the change. i started running into people AFK farming strikes. solo farming chests in a private zone is one thing, but doing it in public lobbies is fucked up. destroys the balance of the activity. just wish they would priorities getting the attunement in the game.
Let me wrap my head around this. So, because people are complaining no one is playing Dual Destiny, Bungie decided to nerf the way those players are avoiding the mission by threatening account Bans? This is not PVP and in no way affects other players. This is insane. I have 30 plus on my main Titan. I got from running around the pale heart opening chests and after that, I just can't do it anymore, so I fully plan on using one to get my alt characters theirs and if I get banned, then that's it for this day one Beta player that's purchased every single DLC. Their loss...
I don’t mind this change. I actually think it’s unhealthy to be afk macroing the game, you’re supposed to be playing the game for enjoyment, if you don’t enjoy the activity then don’t play it. I understand the argument that you want the piece of gear from x activity, but like, it’s ok to not have everything and if you REALLY want it - play and get it. But, that said, it’s crazy to me that they’re taking extra measures to ban people from using a macro that doesn’t impact anyone elses experience instead of focusing on actually getting people that are using macros and external devices to negatively impact literally thousands of peoples experiences. Priorities are so scuffed. Also on exotic class items specifically - I feel like it’s the same people that said “weapon crafting ruined destiny” because there’s no loot to chase that are complaining about the rng on exotic class items. At times I feel bad for Bungie because they literally can’t win. It’s either “there’s nothing to chase” or “that thing takes too long to chase”. Can’t please everyone.
yea agree but they banned the staff in the macro discord even if they did not help with the macro, and then said it was from a different TOS. yea 8 people with the same roll some that have not played for months. and the only one that did not get banned was the one that had not link to his account form discord
destiny player community believe the are entitled to demands and want everything day one. aztecross mention lot of times how much he grinded in runescape for some items. destiny 2 is not god of war , halo , zelda or a call of duty campaign.
A concern I have is that Bungie said people have been banned for unrelated Terms of Use violations, yet some people seemed to have been hit because the group were staff of a Discord Server for D2 Macros. But ultimately, it's a he said, she said situation, which seeing why Cruz was banned creates some doubt on Bungie's end. Otherwise, I'm fine with the ban, but Bungie really needs to fix the bloat for why people resorted to using macros, scripts, etc. in the first place. Because I'm also busy with other games and other projects (music, writing, art, etc.). Especially for Orb Generation Seasonal Challenges, even with a macro to get it done ASAP still takes upwards of 40+ mins, or not longer. There's a reason why some activities you feel burned out on. So if Bungie is keeping this ban in place, then they really need to fix the game as some of the grind is a big reason I can't recommend it to any friend who isn't already playing. I would like to be able to recommend this game I've been playing on the regular since a few months before Rise of Iron released (made a deal so I couldn't play for a year, so I didn't get the chance to play too much Y1 and 2 of D1)
Fun fact it always was bannable they just wrote it now clear into the terms of service that it cant be missunderstood anymore since macro gameplay always was for automated gameplay. Not really a deal just a clearification.
The farming of strange coins dont make the most sense to me because the class items are only guaranteed this week next week it will be back to random exotic rolls based on what we saw from Bungie. Also there is a limit on the amount of strange coins you can hold.
Are actually fine believe it or not. Bungie clarified that those were fine, but their phrasing made it seem like they were going to look into them and (hopefully) implement something in game that serves the same purpose.
I don't think this was just because of the class item farming (or even XP and mats). They knew about that and other afk farming like Golgy maze, Thrallway, Forge farming, and now class items for a while now. What happened recently was that the admins of the Macro discord where the AFK class item farm macro script came from were banned, likely because of the number of questionable scripts being developed, used, and discussed without any deterrence from the admins in that discord. Because of the number of scripts over there, I'm sure they found some scripts that were clearly over the line and the only way to establish a clear policy, they have to ban ALL afk and other abused macro scripts, regardless of how seemingly harmless they are. They don't suddenly have a new way to "detect" these scripts being used, particularly since they still have to allow AHK and other macro script programs for accessibility macros and CP bots, which they explicitly allow. At best, they could monitor accounts that sit in a location for an excessive number of hours, but that would require a lot of moderation because you would have to be able to distinguish between afk scripts and people who just watch Netflix while they do laps in the Pale Heart or do some other mundane farming activity.
@@jewilliams13jw most companies ban micros, bungie's was the exception. Giving players too much leeway was a mistake on bungie's part, I hope bungie issues IP bans.
It's interesting to see the difference of opinion between a top destiny TH-camr like Cross and the opposite side of the spectrum like Lucky10p. Well done Cross for not acting like an entitled **** bashing Bungie for banning macros.
Whether or not this affects Checkpoint bots, i havent once been able to join one. I dont understand how people have been able to use them because theyre always full or theyre never available to join
one of my friends who made the tabbed out farm got banned, no warning, no suspension just banned. something that didnt break tos got changed to break tos and they got banned before even committing the act.
fine, so then can we have AT LEAST the original droprates restored to overthrows? Ideally, increased, but returning it to "normal" would be the bare minimum....
I mean if they are going to ban any macro user then revert the changes on drop rates from the chests that you can farm in the pale heart so that we the "manual" players can get the chance of farm those legitemately.
so the question about checkpoint bots and things like shatter/well skate macros are unconfirmed. while skate macros arent afk or "farm" macros its still a macro so its 50/50
I rarely ever comment, but this is an awe-inspiringly tapped decision. So afk farms which save you time but grant no true in-game advantage are bannable, but crouch macros which give a wild PvP advantage aren’t??????
@@n0ughtvalue exactly. And the only thing people say is “well it’s cheating!!” Like a broken record, and not understanding it’s about them prioritizing this over bigger problems I.e. PvP
As a console player this has no effect on me😂 however, this is a waste of their resources and time. They should be focusing on more important things right now
if getting the right roll on exotic class items wasn't so extremely boring / tedious. There would't be any macros, why aren't these class items in the world drops or end game activity drops
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Banning cheaters and ximmers - I sleep. Farming with macro - Real Shit!
SOUND THE ALARMS
Exactly. Their stance on cheating is alive and well as Bidens mental health. We all know there's a problem, but for some reason nothing is being done with half the population in denial/mentally ill.
RED CODE
HE IS AFK
-It's totally not the problem of rng-
In pvp just get better, but in pve its to big of an advantage, obviously 😂😂😂
Main reason why I stopped competing in cross-play PvP games in general.
Certainly the most pressing issue with destiny 2 right now
cheating is a big issue
@@leonydus9889 okay buddy lets see you high alch to 99 magic with no auto clicker
It is a huge issue. Alot of people who dont agree only disagree because they benefit from it. Smh. It would be the same as a cheater getting mad for being banned for cheating. They think it is right because they benefit from it.
@@gamerprodigy107brother your subs are public and if I were you I would be more concerned with talking to a real woman than if some random D2 player actually earned those 2 pass levels or not.
@@IzanamisBurdendid you actually got so offended by him that you checked his subs? Wow
ngl Cross keeping a straight face while saying he "doesn't really talk about" Runescape is one of the funniest things I've seen in a while
It was like the third time he mentioned RuneScape in this video 😂
"While player sentiment continues to fall, Bungie continues to waste resources patching out player solutions to Destiny's biggest problems."
Hey man why waste money on the game we spend money on (this is sarcasm btw)
whileplayer continues to have a woke baby mantality bungie is trying to make the game good again
@controlleronpceasywin2978 make sure to wipe it clean when youre done
@@ilredelnulla9837 If you thinking Guardian1234 getting a good exotic class item thru macroing was in the top 100 problems for this game you're out of your damn mind.
@@ilredelnulla9837 tf does woke have to do with this ?
It's interesting how they banned the whole macro team, even though they, in their words, haven't been playing for weeks.
Edit: I'm not saying it's right or wrong it's just interesting to see how bungie has gone about this that's all I'm saying
because they made the tool that allows for it...... macros are still cheating and using a 3dr part tool to do functions inside the game is no different than using cheat software, the only difference is one does automation of inputs while another gives you unfair advantages
@@123TheCloop up until they changed the tos afk farming did not break tos. they changed the tos and then banned them.
@@123TheCloopit’s not different than if you did the inputs yourself, it’s not like it’s giving you an unfair advantage
@Botwithbadaim yes they did. All that's happened here is they clarified the ruling of it. It's always existed as cheating.
Everyone out here debating about this while Destiny is approaching its lowest 24hr peak since the beginning of D2.
Us on console: "Oh no... Anyway." ☠️☠️
I am a console player, but I play RuneScape on my laptop. Glad Bungie is banning botting.
@@externalboss9404I'm an old RS player myself. Never macroed anything in my whole time playing. If I'm not playing myself, what's the point then ya know? I've earned every level of my skills legitimately.
@@externalboss9404 i prefer WalkScape personally
Not like anyone cares about you peasants. Buy a PC.
I’m sorry for your loss
I don't understand why they're so stingy with these things. Player base is low and there's nothing big to look forward to so I don't see any new players jumping in either.
Its not the first time, well the macro banis, but not the being stingey.
They pulled same drop chance killing moves for the forge back in the day. Remember the world chests in witch queen? Were very farmable. Then they changed it so it was mostly a waste of time so the player had to spend weeks and weeks farming to get the red borders from the throne world chests.
They been letting this shit slide for years. Lmao please.
Because it is cheating lol. Cheaters can gtfo
@MS-gv9wr I don't have an issue with banning macros to get idle loot but all the ways to get the class items suck so much. If they were good, we wouldn't be in this spot to begin with.
@@MS-gv9wr like another has said, people turn to stuff like automation due to the horrible game design decisions.
Twitch commenter: you played runescape?
Cross: yeah I don't really talk about it much.
Also cross in every other video: let me tell you how this compares to a runescape situation.
Ah, guess you're first not noticing irony 😂
yea you know his ass wanted to say something like "ya you know i did play this little indie browser game called runscape wasn't that popular you know" XD he new what he was doing
Should’ve just made the thing earnable through the pale heart pathfinder. I have enough ergo sum
It practically is. I got 2 from the same chest by running overthrow lvl3 in the same section.
@@seanthomxx2694 it's not because a pathfinder reward is not the same as opening a chest. Can't believe I actually had to explain that
@@javedshamim2924 D2 players are special, they defend bad game designs.
I had deleted 10 ergo sums so far in my postmaster
Absolutely wild they will do EVERYTHING BUT make the class items easier to access and or put in a knockout system
I mean, maybe they are. They said they are working on it. They can't just think up something and then use magic spells to implement it. Things take time. Exotic class items are something they have never done before and there are obviously some challenges. Maybe eliminating the macro farm is the precursor to making it a little easier than the Xur change.
@@erikweldon411 challenge = changing % to much higher. 🤣
@@erikweldon411it's just loot - no matter how rare they want it to keep for obvious reasons, it's not that complicated to open drop chances to other activities with 1/64...
@@TazzyBoy The percentage is fine. The no knockout system is the problem.
@@natteem5127 I know all the game devs in here know exactly how hard and hard it isn't. It isn't about just opening it up, it is about figuring out what the drop rates, odds of it dropping from an activity, maybe implementing a knockout system, etc.
Bungie is trying to squeeze every last drop of player engagement out of the exotic class items.
yeah man banning cheaters what a bad thing lmao
@@leonydus9889 If Bungie actually banned cheaters that would be fucking great 😂 but they don't, they ban workarounds of boring repetitive bullshit. I didn't even do it as I'm on console but there's nothing wrong with it.
@@leonydus9889 Bro how deep is that boot up your ass man? Like theyre using u has a puppet or something?
@@boneidle8420 theres nothing wrong with cheating? yeah... you are on the spectrum
@@leonydus9889 does macro farming exotic class items provide a discernible advantage to consider it cheating?
T-minus 2:14 to mentioning RuneScape ❤
Damn you beat me to it 😂
Came looking for this comment 💀
😩I don't get why we can't just keep that counter at a reachable height, without having to use a ladder....
He needs to stream old school runescape so bad
Classic cross
They destroyed normal farming chests. And they think giving xur an exotic class item one per character and it randomly will show up week to week in xur. How will that change anything? That’s nothing. They are completely lost with these class items. I quit farming it’s a waste of time. I want to farm. Pleas fix this now. Not 2 months from now. This is not complicated.the chest farming is absolutely terrible
I got three in around thirty chests man up it's not that bad.
@@DamienSmyth-v6k and i won a million on a scratch ticket. what's your point?
@@DamienSmyth-v6k
So with your good luck you'd need to be farming this shit for 50 hours straight to make sure you (on average) get the exact roll you want. On all 3 characters.
If you don't think that's bad, good for you. Some of us dont wanna mindlessly grind a lame, underpowered activity for days on end tho.
They're already working on a better system; they posted a screenshot of it on their X/Twitter account.
@@CouchCit is it something new? Or the Xur "fix"?
Honestly, just allow players to select checkpoints for Raids and Dungeons. Build it in-game because your players are either using checkpoint bots or character swapping anyway. Huge QoL and win for players if you just let us choose our checkpoints from orbit.
There would have to be restrictions to that. Easy one would be allowing that after you have completed the encounter for the week or something to that effect.
@@erikweldon411honestly I could live with that but then you’d still have it where one person would be the lead and the rest wouldn’t need to do it to get the checkpoint. We’d be in the same situation we are now.
@@nolandbeyond6230 Well, at least someone still finished the encounter. I know it doesn't do too much but it would be better than just opening up everything.
@@erikweldon411 but that just brings it back to the point of people are going to find a way around having to do the encounter anyway. As it stands, you're either using a checkpoint bot, finding the CP on LFG, or character swapping... all of which are allowed. Adding the ability to select your checkpoint changes literally nothing, other than reducing player headache to achieve the same task. The idea of adding new functionality and then making players do MORE to achieve the same goal seems counter-intuitive.
For new raids/dungeons... just remove the CP selector for a full season. This is also a 10-year old game. Just give your raid/dungeon farmers a break and let them choose the CP.
QoL ? In destiny , what's that....
Checkpoint bots are not included. They are leaving them alone. Confirmed on their X account. EDIT - just got to that in the video. How bout this? Give us a final encounter checkpoint in Dual Destiny.
That would require effort and money. Two things Bungie doesn't like expending.
@@buffhorses3632they don’t like effort, they do like wasting $3.6b in less than 2 fucking years though!
It’s a glorified strike. Not really built for checkpoints. Like a raid would be
Still blows my mind people vehemently defend this company.
Bro, they HAVE to be paying for bot accounts at this point. Ain't no way they aren't.
@@Magus_Unionunfortunately people who play a game for long enough are susceptible to becoming bots. They’ve been drinking the vex milk.
Your mind is “blown” by that?
You’re pretty easy to impress, then.
They need Bungie to give them their fix.
What about the macro involving Pete automatically gravitating towards the nearest car dealer?
Lol
Ideas to make the (now mandatorily hands-on) grind more manageable:
⚪️Boost ALL Glimmer gained from ALL sources by double their current rates (even before Ghost and Battle pass modifiers).
⚪️Make it so that ALL Ritual activities have the chance to reward additional Masterwork Cores upon activity completion, with activity streaks increasing your odds by up to 50%.
⚪️Revamp destinations and their vendors/activities to be more rewarding, AND revive weekly shifting flashpoints that act as reputation and rewards boosts for completing activities in that area. As a bonus, make it so that the weekly nightfall is _always_ at the flashpoint destination AND that the doubled up Destination and Nightfall/Reputation boosts stack upon each other.
⚪️Revamp holiday activities to last the entire length of an episode.
⚪️Make it so that Double XP Weeks are ALWAYS also Double Loot Weeks.
⚪️Collapse double XP/Rewards weeks for Trials and Iron Banner into Crucible boost weeks.
⚪️Have Xur hand out “Strange Bounties” that reward you for taking on some of the hardest activities in the game with appropriate rewards… For example, one bounty for doing every encounter of Master Difficulty “Crota’s End” before expiration would reward an entire set of Fully Masterworked Artifice Raid Armor with stats weighted towards your ghost’s armor mod.
Damn if they came out with this in a twab I might actually start playing again
Or you know.. Just play the game. 😂
@@captainbuzzkill4658
I do, but no amount of playtime I can manage can possibly keep up with my spending habits
I might start playing again if they made those changes.
But all of this would take work! The 15 people left developing Destiny would have to do this over productive work, aka developing monetizable eververse skins.
I fucking hate this company every monday and thursday.
yeah man, i hate companies that ban cheaters hahahahah
@leonydus9889 the bans are only effecting afk farming, not pvp macros
@@the3rdpotato951They are banning pvp macros.
@@leonydus9889 It isn't cheating. If it was they would've got rid of it asap. It was used to circumvent a shitty rng and rate drop that got tedious after half an hour, which equates to literally 1 drop. Considering there are only like 2 combinations that are viable for titan and warlock, rng is a bitch, and people like you who are saying it was a good thing that people are getting banned for using a macro don't have the mental capacity to even comprehend how to set a macro up, probably same mfs that complain dual destiny isn't possible solo.
@@the3rdpotato951 That's even worse if it's true, and the afk ban isn't terrible, it makes sense but in that case, make your drop rates reasonable after continued community feedback about how bad it is. Not even mentioning them banning people before the policy got announced.
Cross saying he doesn't talk about RuneScape much cracked me up lol lol
Xur Class Items: Assume 2 a week, what will that net you? In 1Y or 100 drops = 50% chance you get the one you want. In 5Y, you have a 98% chance to get what you want. Does anyone really think Xur is going to help the situation?
No it’s not lol. This is what you call a fake “solution” they want people to believe they are really listening but it’s bungie at this point they don’t care to let fans down. The company is dying and there is no incentive to satisfy its players needs. This is a dying ship that is squeezing the last bit of juice it can get out of it’s playerbase
the Xur drop only works if it's guaranteed dupe protected, or you can get unlimited amount
@@kombatres You can't get an unlimited amount because your strange coins are capped at 99. You could get max 2 every time he sells IF you could even buy more than one which in typical Bungie fashion wouldn't be the case anyway. Which is laughable.
@@lanycera sure, but you can buy one/two, go play the game get more coins, go back in an hour with 41 again, etc. Obviously that's what I meant by "unlimited"
at least this immediately put the message across unlike the thumbnail and title of Fallouts vid
-Bungie creates class item, overhypes but misleads community on how it will be earned.
-community (in general) not happy with acquisition of class item.
-players find bug that allows duplicate drops in mission.
-Bungie fixes bug.
-players on a particular platform discover a loophole/work-around for farming the item” as intended” in open world content.
-Bungie reduces drop chance from chests.
-Bungie bans macros.
And you wonder why this game is dying and will continue to hemorrhage players.
go play something else , you dont speak for me . IP ban
@@usagtone he don’t have to speak for you, the numbers speak themself, you ain’t end all be all judgment
@@marcosortega5210 play something else and stop whining
@@usagtone bro, you don’t even want to have a discussion gtfoh troll
@@marcosortega5210 i have a life , i am not going to whine and beg over a video game
What a joke of a company. It's honestly impressive the lengths they will go to make the player experience worse.
They literally banned the macro creators before updating the TOS, then straight up lied about it. How can anyone defend this?
They could fix checkpoint bots, by letting you have all the checkpoints and just choose where you want to start a raid.
Exactly, and it should unlock after first completion. But that's too good of an idea for Bungie.
I'm pretty sure they fired the devs who were in charge of this kind of thing
Or make it so you need to have done all the previous encounters to keep a checkpoint. Checkpoint farming is cringe, just play the raid normally.
Destiny should have an in-game checkpoint system that lets you go to any checkpoint in the raid or dungeon after completing it at least once, which lets you farm encounters or go to the encounter that you want to do. Having to use a checkpoint bot or go to orbit and change characters and all that stuff seems way too unnecessary and artificially increases how long farming takes. Pinnacle challenges for completing raids and dungeons could also be changed to complete 2 or 3 encounters from the raid/dungeon, or just be left as defeat the final boss
For a dying game you’d think they’d be against banning the remaining players
Unironically that's part of the reason why they don't do jack squat against carry services nearly as harshly as you'd think, those are still people continuously making accounts, and buying the content so they can carry people.
They can go all gangbusters and indiscriminately banning people they think are in some big cabal on Discord but an array of companies that you can literally get ads for as you watch a Destiny video doing paid carries, recoveries, etc, no meaningful action because those are still people buying the game.
Same story with the blatant cheaters, it's still people buying the product to cheat and that is still better than somebody who plays clean but doesn't spend much.
go play something else or get a job
This might be the idea, the community wants more, the devs dont want to make more, alienate the entire community and it will be easy to move into marathon with a new player base.
i mean what other reason do they have to nerf this stuff, without buffing other ways a ton.
@@usagtone weirdo take bro, you’re gonna be sad when it’s harder to find people for specific activities. Garden of Salvation, good raid no one plays, SE already hard to find people, but sure dawg be the last Guardian standing!! Ggs
@@marcosortega5210 I guess you can't read, I am a solo player , I also have a mental illness/disability, solo players will never have the exotic class items, if you like to cheat, good for you , I hope Bungie issues an IP Ban , I guess you don't mind your wife kissing another man. cheating is cheating regardless of how small or big it is. stop whining
They should just rotate the Exotic Class Items through different playlists each week as an additional reward. GM one week, Trials the next week, Onslaught, maybe after completing a certain number of Comp matches, etc. That would give people a chance to farm the week it is in their desired activity, and maybe increase interest for them in other weeks. We also shouldn't need CP bots. After completing a raid you should be able to select whatever checkpoint you want from the drop down, EZ.
yeah, they already add different ways on getting the item, as its still new. I think as time goes on, new ways will be added
Thats a good idea, so it will never happen. Bungie is immune to good ideas.
@@arthur_pd True, but I think the methods currently suck. Farming strange coins to buy from Xur helps but will be slow, and I think the only other thing they did is increase the chance from Matchmade Overthrow, and I'd rather stab myself in the eye than run Overthrow and Dual Destiny over and over.
@@drphumbles well now that macro is banned, I think bungie should let us farm chest again, but again bungie did say other methods of getting class item will be keep coming, not Xur is the first step
i hope the destiny community would fallow your example and offer reasonable solutions but that is not the case . most of the community believe they are entitled to demands and just make hateful posts and comments.
Tbh, I never thought Bungie would ban macro farming 😭
You mean sony...
@@KAZTROLLI doubt Sony is operating the studio to that extent.
they said that 1 year ago that advanced macro is bannable lmfao
I absolutely knew they would lmao, its straight up cheating.
Oh no they banned botting what shall we do 🤣
As a console player this literally doesn't affect me 1 bit so ggs i guess
When i jam my thumbstick forward to not get get kicked from activity could now get me banned?
Congratulations on actually playing the game 😅
@@SmkyPkmi sure hope so. Can't stand people like you when I'm trying to run an activity. Just doing circles in spawn. Handle your business before gaming. How hard is that?
@@captainbuzzkill4658 People still play this?
@@SmkyPkmyep
At this point I can’t help but think Bungie wants the game to die. Is the plan to devalue the company until it reaches the point where it can be purchased back from Sony? That’s the only logical conclusion I can think of; Bungie is making every bad choice possible.
I never used macros in my life. When I realized how taxing it was going to be, I used the macro for days on end, and STILL never got my rolls. That is the problem with it.
So they can “detect” macros apparently while at the same time claiming to detect cheaters/hackers 🤦🏽♂️ 😂
A macro is much easier to detect because it is quite literally a uniform, looped series of inputs. Cheats that are free are banned quickly. The many providers of premium cheats go out of their way to make sure people keep paying for cheats, which means beating the anti cheat, which is only so good each passing day (and with what little staff is left for that department lmao). Macros never change how they work, very easy to detect. Cheats are updated to bypass the anti cheat often.
Two entirely different things there. A lot of games deal with macros differently. In this case, Bungie just doesn't want people to be leeching off of the work of other players or essentially sabatoging crucible matches by being AFK. But since it seems people's big point of being overly dramatic, which was CP bots and such things being banned, which Bungie said would actually be okay as they did not directly harm the experience of other players, then the situation really is just people making a mountain of an ant hill.
For a solid chunk of (what's left) of the player base, this changes basically nothing, and if anything, helps with getting rid of those teammates in activities who do nothing.
If the drop rate would have been better and garbage duplicates wouldn't have been such an issue players might not have resorted to macro farming.
Cross is getting us ready for the channel switching to mostly Runescape content. I see you Cross.
had to pause video, gf walked by "oh hey its Shaw Hawn"
I think this is the last thing they should be worried about
devs should worry about cheating lmao
@@leonydus9889 There's cheating, and then there's automating menial tasks. If you truly believe that people should be banned for circumventing Bungie's terrible design philosophy when it comes to things that are macroable, then you don't understand the issues to begin with.
@@leonydus9889 at this moment in time, macro farming for loot i assume in pve, should be slightly lower on their radar.
@@leonydus9889 explain exactly how using a macro for farming is cheating
@@shagaru1234 you mean YOU not actually playing the game? LMAO Using macros is cheating, remain butthurt CHEATER
i play console and it doesnt bug me that people cheat or whatever .what makes me mad is getting rid of exotic farming from lostsectors. I wasted 4 golf balls and cyphers just to get trash stats...
Wait wtf, when did they do that? I haven’t been keeping up with what’s going on in the game
@@rrralph TFS launch, Legend Lost Sectors don't drop specific exotics anymore, instead they drop exotic engrams.
Can you imagine what it’ll be like when Bungie adds more Spirits in the future? We’re going to need over 300+ vault space just to save all these exotic class items and we are going to have to spend years of our life getting them. They need to overhaul the system.
I dont think they will add more after this fiasco
While I don’t inherently hate this, I do think it is addressing a symptom instead of the problem.
If Bungie gave the playerbase more ways to earn the exotic class items, the PC community wouldn't have resorted to using macros. The exotic class items should be earnable in both Pathfinders, ritual activities, raids, dungeons, GMs, replayable story missions, old exotic missions, etcetera. If Bungie gave us more resources to get these items, then there wouldn't be a reason to macro farm since there would be a decent farm for the exotic.
Your suggestions are too logical for Bungie!
pc community ? , 100% of pvp cheaters are on pc . IP ban
@usagtone An ip ban for afk farming is a bit far. They should've made it clear that macros were against TOS in the first place and not a morally grey area. That is Bungie's fault for not being clear in the first place. Plus the community wouldn't have resorted to using macros due to the reasons I posted in my comment.
Yeah. Plus the more people have them, the more ppl are going to buy the ornaments for them. So basicly this wasnt a good business decision too.
I stopped playing Destiny before Final Shape, and this is just hilarious.
They got a rampant cheating problem...and they go for macros.
Ah, typical Bungie. Addressing the symptom instead of the root problem. This is one of those times that I appreciate Digital Extremes for the way they communicate and engage with their playerbase. I haven't played Warframe in years but I still watch their streams and dev shorts. Whenever someone in chat brings up a topic no matter how sensitive, the devs address it and explain why it exists and what they are doing to change it or why they can't. It boggles my mind why Bungie chooses to be stingy with these things, and when confronted either deflects or ignores the issue.
As someone else said in another video (paraphrasing heavily here lmao):
Actual bugs/cheating exist: I sleep
Macro farming because rewards/RNG are crap: HOLY SHIT NUKE IT ALL TO HELL
@@infernas “addressing the symptom instead of the root problem” nailed it on the head thank you
It's not that the perks that appear in it don't have it, but they increase the probability so that we only have the perks that we have, but now the macros... Don't they know that if bungie increase the play time and reduce the number of users, the total play time decreases?
What’s left of bungie is a joke. The bungie that created halo and destiny is gone and so am I
I'm glad I quit destiny 2
who cares. no one is to miss a nobody.
What if Bungie made it so that you can either get "class item engrams" or just use whatever " exotic engrams" you're holding. Then, however many you're holding, will get turned to a class item once you complete a dual destiny run. Meaning you can aquire engrams from just playing the game (10 max). But you still have to play dual destiny to get the item. This will prevent us from playing dual destiny as often (prevent burnout) and we can get up to 10 items per run. Making it feel rewarding.
“I don’t talk about it much” lmfaoo
Glad Bungie is addressing the real issues with the game. The bungie sympathizes and shills can comment below
So, you are a shill if you aren't mad that something that is banned in almost any other MMORPG or game like it also got banned in this game? Everyone knew it was coming. Everyone. Except for the non-shills like you, apparently
@@erikweldon411 Yes exactly. Thank you shill. Keep simping for bungie its cute
@@erikweldon411 because there is other issues that should be prioritized over this, and player numbers speak for themself, which is what the guy is saying. If you think afk farming is worse than PvP cheating/hacking you have some type narcissist problem as one cheating actively affects others, especially Trials, and while the other has no impact on other players unless you inspect them and get salty
@@marcosortega5210i play on console and have never once seen a cheater so pc players using macros to get a advantage over me is a bigger problem than the cheaters idc about your problems just mine
@@sleepreat7005 exactly the senile mindset that doesn’t help the game 👍 nice
The people that are mad about it, should’ve never done it to begin with 💀
Look. I'm going to be real. I quit this game because of class items (and ergo sum). Since launch of the nearly 300 hours I put in the season alone, 200 of that was spent physically grinding out class items and ergo sum. I never got the ergo sum I want. Not a single wave frame reprieve. I never got the class item I want.
Not a minute of that was spent using a macro. I don't doubt that had I ran macros I might have stuck around. At least I'd have avoided burning out. When I was young I spent a nearly unhealthy amount of time grinding out a Black Dragoon Whelping in vanilla wow. This grind was substantially worse than that one ever could have been. I wash my hands of it.
Yet WoW is having the opposite problem. They let macros persist and get to the point that players pressure others to use macros in dungeons, and they create encounters with the assumption players use the macros (weak auras). So it's good that they are now making a point to ban macros.
I totally remember forge being unplayable. I was trying to get izanagi and jotuun and Everytime I would enter a forge everyone would be afk, it ruined the mode so I wasn't against them fixing that
I’m not surprised, being afk is reportable.
Does that affect or hurt those that actually farm the same chest (meaning: land at the landing and get chest return to orbit, come back in, and get the chest again, rinse and repeat)? If that person is actually playing, going in getting the chest leaving and going back in, get the chest again.
Hey let’s ban Macro’s, but cheaters are fine. Yeah I’m not even a Pc player and the priorities are all over the place
Macro’s is technically “cheating” and always has been against TOS, bungie just updated the TOS to make it clear so no one can cheat, however if someone is just using it strictly to farm xp then it shouldn’t be a bannable offense.
Ximming is cheating
@@Verbally.autisticright but why is macro usage being hit so hard right now but actual cheaters flying around the map with infinite witherhoard isn’t?
@@mythicaldragon2260 anti cheat can only be updated as fast as they find the exploit. Cheating software companies is really quick to update since they can operate/ exploit a new update soon as it drops. Everyone thinks anti cheat is has the ability to detect everything when some cheating softwares are just too damn advanced and the folks running that is even quicker.
And to further my point I don’t see macro farming as a real important threat but it’s an issue nonetheless it shouldn’t need much priority since bungie clarified their TOS on macro key binds thus the situation for that is over with. I believe it’s cheating since it uses an unauthorized form of input that’s completely automated once u flip it on.
When I first started playing destiny i wanted to do anything for shortcuts like macro farm, but 300 hours into the game i started getting more and more unlocks simply by playing, I ended up meeting a player in game that lead me to a great clan that raids and does other harder content together, it was at that level of my playtime i got more scared of doing any shortcuts like macro farming, i already had to many hours and had a lot of money on expansion dlc and silver. I'm at 3500 hours now and I would not be able to handle a ban and lose all the time I've put into the game.
I do see accounts with so many hours and lots of no longer obtainable loot, lots of titles and unlocks still doing bannable shortcuts and it just blows my mind, but on the other half i know there are lots of stolen accounts also.
The amount of bootlickers in this comment section is insane.
Bootlickers? Because people aren't surprised they banned something that only 1 of the 5 methods to play this game can actually use? Talk about tone deaf.
They should do like the Guild Wars Banning. Seeing the God of Death dragging the character down was always awesome.
As a new player that doesn’t seem like a bad thing
It really isn’t lol but I can understand why it would rub people the wrong way
I agree but a really really bad time to do this, also I've never used macros but yeah
The thing is macro farming in public lobbies where it could effect other players, such as forge farming mentioned in the early video, is banned. What was banned here is farming purely single player experiences to ease up on a kinda ridiculous grind where the Exotic class items are concerned. I dont think its the end of the world, but macro farming would drop if they fixed the core of the solution being extremely poor drop rates with no bad luck protection, and at a time like this where bungie is already losing favor with the community, its just kinda a punch in the nuts for anyone just trying to catch up
You should get out while you still can. Thats my advice as a veteran.
Honestly though, right timing or not, how are you going to get mad at something you know is wrong?
Guild wars used to have an in game “execution” style banning where it would be Grenth (a grim reaper like God) would come and slice you in game and your character would be dead on the floor
U know destiny 2 just ain’t it anymore and it’s a sad feeling
cause you have to actually play the game?
Too true.
@sabrinajade2205 the issue is the drop rate is beyond sh*t and we have so many other problems that trump macros. We have cheaters, a broken crafting system, lack of actual good gameplay past the campaign, and Bungie decided to target something that would only serve to benefit everyone. Macros keep player counts up and allow people to have social lives.
I kind of felt the AFk farming last night. Kept trying to run night Falls and kept getting what I thought was newbies at level 1900 with white gear. Couldn’t get a thing done
Player base is at a low and now it's gonna fall even more now that the afk accounts are gone 😂
So you make an account to AFK farm and you get that to your main account how?
@@erikweldon411 he’s not saying that. He’s literally saying that because of accounts that afk farm will be banned/not login that player numbers are gonna be down
Me Disabling iCUE right now... goodbye super jumps
You guys still playing the sinking ship?
Yes I'm enjoying what I can and that way once it truly sinks (as in, servers closed down), then I won't regret it.
You still reading all the comments and replying about this sinking ship?
My main concern out of all of this is: is the wish wall macro safe?
Stopped caring about class items like 2 weeks after Dual Destiny went live. I'm a solo player and being locked out of that activity is ass.
Can't be assed to LFG for any raids anymore, let alone Last Wish, which I still need red borders from, which is why I use the wish wall macro to get to the checkpoints I need in order to get the chests every week.
If that's bannable now, then there's quite literally no reason for me to log on anymore.
An infinite vault and/or unlimited inventory size would be the best change for the game to solve a majority of these kinds of issues. Player sentiment to big meta shakeups, insane grinds, weapons refreshes would so much better if everything wasn’t limited.
-Sunsetting introduced, vault cleanse, sunsetting removed from future releases, sunsetting removed retroactively, all old weapon rolls you had are gone, players mad? This wouldn’t have been an issue if there was an infinite vault to store all the sunset gear.
-Terrible event weapons with even worse rolls year after year with perk refreshes for artificial grind? Wouldn’t be as much an issue with infinite vault to store previous year’s weapons.
-Activities give tons of terrible loot? Wouldn’t be an issue with infinite vault to store this loot (or just have a custom auto delete feature).
-People macro farming resources and exotic armor because the grind is one of the worst experiences seen by players? It would still be a major issue for most players, but some don’t do it because there’s so many potential slots taken up by various rolls (like me).
I don’t want to spend my time in-game managing my inventory, getting bounties, picking up quests, hearing NPC dialogue with no animations. I want to play it. An infinite vault or better inventory management system wouldn’t solve all the issues, but it would make most of them less annoying.
Infinite vault space!? 🤣 You do realize there is a database that has to keep track of every item for millions of players right? Gotta love these armchair game dev solutions in TH-cam comments. You guys are a special bunch
@@captainbuzzkill4658 I know this is an armchair dev counterpoint, but there are games that do it (Warframe notably, Overwatch with stats/cosmetics/currencies, and Fortnite with custom cosmetics and trackers). Those are the games I have experience with. I would like to know what the primary issue with D2 would be for genuine curiosity. I’m assuming you don’t know and your knowledge on the subject isn’t too high. Please prove me wrong. Please tell me why the resources dedicated to fix it would be too much strain on the resources they’ve misused in the past ($4bn from the Sony deal).
@@mrfluffsalot8587i don’t think the engine would allow for it. The reason it works in other games because those engines are much more optimised for having infinite storage.
@@mrfluffsalot8587 You're comparing functional assets with a hundred+ different rolls to cosmetics and number trackers. Imagine it like a garage. You can fit a lot more images of cars, money to purchase parts for said cars or the cars themselves and numbers to show how many miles you've driven with those cars in there than you can fit actual cars.
Even Warframe imposes limits on your inventory through the slot system, not to mention it has much fewer weapons than Destiny 2 does and doesn't have random rolls. And before you mention the countless mod and appearance setups you can have, those have had issues saving since 2013 and that bug has flared up even more in recent times. The bug is likely caused by an issue in communication between memory and storage, and it flaring up most likely means that the amount of weapons and frames the game has had added to it since release exacerbated it.
Destiny, you had a special place in my heart since the original game, however you decided to hold on to stupid designers and developers, refusing to hold management accountable for their stupidity for years. i have moved on. it was not you it was me. i just could not handle how you changed and i think we grew apart. Wish you all the best.
I macro farmed ban me please so when my friends try to get me to play again I have the excuse of "oops sorry I'm banned" instead of "nah I'm good the game sucks and Bungie doesn't know what they are doing"
You sound like my ex man, who didnt like me no more but waited till i closed the chapter for her so she could blame me. Just leave the game man.
@@Music_Never_Stops Key point here "try to get me to play again" I've been gone man but if it'll make you feel better about your ex I'll reinstall and uninstall again just for you
i have two entire pages of hunter exotic class items in my vault. still didn't get the one i wanted. wouldn't be surprised if they intentionally lowered the drop chance for the good ones. just letting all the people know that didn't macro farm not to waist your time until we have the attunement. if i didn't get what i wanted, you don't have a chance in hell doing it legitimately. that's ultimately the problem and what people are upset about. people that didn't macro farm don't have the framework to understand how impossible there chances are. now with all that being said i agree with the change. i started running into people AFK farming strikes. solo farming chests in a private zone is one thing, but doing it in public lobbies is fucked up. destroys the balance of the activity. just wish they would priorities getting the attunement in the game.
Let me wrap my head around this. So, because people are complaining no one is playing Dual Destiny, Bungie decided to nerf the way those players are avoiding the mission by threatening account Bans? This is not PVP and in no way affects other players. This is insane. I have 30 plus on my main Titan. I got from running around the pale heart opening chests and after that, I just can't do it anymore, so I fully plan on using one to get my alt characters theirs and if I get banned, then that's it for this day one Beta player that's purchased every single DLC.
Their loss...
Can anyone please Tell me if youre getting banned for using macros for snapcanceling ?
I don’t mind this change. I actually think it’s unhealthy to be afk macroing the game, you’re supposed to be playing the game for enjoyment, if you don’t enjoy the activity then don’t play it. I understand the argument that you want the piece of gear from x activity, but like, it’s ok to not have everything and if you REALLY want it - play and get it.
But, that said, it’s crazy to me that they’re taking extra measures to ban people from using a macro that doesn’t impact anyone elses experience instead of focusing on actually getting people that are using macros and external devices to negatively impact literally thousands of peoples experiences.
Priorities are so scuffed.
Also on exotic class items specifically - I feel like it’s the same people that said “weapon crafting ruined destiny” because there’s no loot to chase that are complaining about the rng on exotic class items. At times I feel bad for Bungie because they literally can’t win. It’s either “there’s nothing to chase” or “that thing takes too long to chase”. Can’t please everyone.
Well said!
yea agree but they banned the staff in the macro discord even if they did not help with the macro, and then said it was from a different TOS. yea 8 people with the same roll some that have not played for months. and the only one that did not get banned was the one that had not link to his account form discord
Maybe if they made farming and leveling an enjoyable experience people wouldn't have to afk farm
destiny player community believe the are entitled to demands and want everything day one. aztecross mention lot of times how much he grinded in runescape for some items. destiny 2 is not god of war , halo , zelda or a call of duty campaign.
A concern I have is that Bungie said people have been banned for unrelated Terms of Use violations, yet some people seemed to have been hit because the group were staff of a Discord Server for D2 Macros. But ultimately, it's a he said, she said situation, which seeing why Cruz was banned creates some doubt on Bungie's end.
Otherwise, I'm fine with the ban, but Bungie really needs to fix the bloat for why people resorted to using macros, scripts, etc. in the first place. Because I'm also busy with other games and other projects (music, writing, art, etc.). Especially for Orb Generation Seasonal Challenges, even with a macro to get it done ASAP still takes upwards of 40+ mins, or not longer. There's a reason why some activities you feel burned out on. So if Bungie is keeping this ban in place, then they really need to fix the game as some of the grind is a big reason I can't recommend it to any friend who isn't already playing. I would like to be able to recommend this game I've been playing on the regular since a few months before Rise of Iron released (made a deal so I couldn't play for a year, so I didn't get the chance to play too much Y1 and 2 of D1)
Fun fact it always was bannable they just wrote it now clear into the terms of service that it cant be missunderstood anymore since macro gameplay always was for automated gameplay. Not really a deal just a clearification.
The farming of strange coins dont make the most sense to me because the class items are only guaranteed this week next week it will be back to random exotic rolls based on what we saw from Bungie. Also there is a limit on the amount of strange coins you can hold.
THE CHECKPOINT BOTS
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Are actually fine believe it or not. Bungie clarified that those were fine, but their phrasing made it seem like they were going to look into them and (hopefully) implement something in game that serves the same purpose.
bungie already informed on X they dont mind CB Bot as it wont auto get u loot
@@arthur_pd thank god. That’s like my main source of spoils lol
I don't think this was just because of the class item farming (or even XP and mats). They knew about that and other afk farming like Golgy maze, Thrallway, Forge farming, and now class items for a while now. What happened recently was that the admins of the Macro discord where the AFK class item farm macro script came from were banned, likely because of the number of questionable scripts being developed, used, and discussed without any deterrence from the admins in that discord. Because of the number of scripts over there, I'm sure they found some scripts that were clearly over the line and the only way to establish a clear policy, they have to ban ALL afk and other abused macro scripts, regardless of how seemingly harmless they are.
They don't suddenly have a new way to "detect" these scripts being used, particularly since they still have to allow AHK and other macro script programs for accessibility macros and CP bots, which they explicitly allow. At best, they could monitor accounts that sit in a location for an excessive number of hours, but that would require a lot of moderation because you would have to be able to distinguish between afk scripts and people who just watch Netflix while they do laps in the Pale Heart or do some other mundane farming activity.
Bungie needs more reasons for people not to play. We need less people playing, D2 is only for the elite.
Yeah, you are aware that no one on console has ever AFK farmed exotic class items, right?
@@erikweldon411It's why I got free D2 on my 6 year old PC in the first place. XP farm in the thrallway. The whole linking accounts made it possible.
Laying off employees wasn’t enough now they’re laying off the player base💀
Xp? They made that pointless with timegating the season pass. But gatekeeping the exotics for playtime is just 😵💫😵💫 and the name changes is cray
using a micro is not playtime is also cheating
@@usagtone if the game is running and getting played then that counts as play time. And how is it cheating people are barely getting anything from it
@@jewilliams13jw most companies ban micros, bungie's was the exception. Giving players too much leeway was a mistake on bungie's part, I hope bungie issues IP bans.
It's interesting to see the difference of opinion between a top destiny TH-camr like Cross and the opposite side of the spectrum like Lucky10p.
Well done Cross for not acting like an entitled **** bashing Bungie for banning macros.
Bungie coming hot out the gate and showing they have no idea what they are doing. I have lost any hope in them.
so you know more. what is your fair solution?
make content that isn't so braindead that a simple macro can completely automate it 😂
Whether or not this affects Checkpoint bots, i havent once been able to join one. I dont understand how people have been able to use them because theyre always full or theyre never available to join
lol who is going to get banned the 4 people still playing
not to mention we are still stuck on step 28 in the echos ... still waiting to finish that part
one of my friends who made the tabbed out farm got banned, no warning, no suspension just banned. something that didnt break tos got changed to break tos and they got banned before even committing the act.
No they didnt. They got banned for something else. Watch the video
fine, so then can we have AT LEAST the original droprates restored to overthrows? Ideally, increased, but returning it to "normal" would be the bare minimum....
Bungies doesn’t do much well, but they sure do a great job on destroying anything that can benefit the player
I mean if they are going to ban any macro user then revert the changes on drop rates from the chests that you can farm in the pale heart so that we the "manual" players can get the chance of farm those legitemately.
All the devs for the macro were banned for unrelated TOS violations
Supposedly
Bungie is pretty notorious for being petty.
@@DucisImperium Yeah, it's a little sus.
@@DucisImperiumpretty sure a company as big as them wouldn’t risk legal trouble over 6 people who play their game
@@sleepreat7005 uh
What? You cant do anything legal wise for being banned from a game lmfao
so the question about checkpoint bots and things like shatter/well skate macros are unconfirmed. while skate macros arent afk or "farm" macros its still a macro so its 50/50
Me on PS4: “Oh no! Anyway.”
What year is it there?
Glad this was addressed, genuinely. Hopefully following this class items will get addressed as well
I rarely ever comment, but this is an awe-inspiringly tapped decision. So afk farms which save you time but grant no true in-game advantage are bannable, but crouch macros which give a wild PvP advantage aren’t??????
@@n0ughtvalue exactly. And the only thing people say is “well it’s cheating!!” Like a broken record, and not understanding it’s about them prioritizing this over bigger problems I.e. PvP
Warframe Playerbase: “First time?”
Been using macros for years now in Warframe, DE isn't like north korean Bungo.
And pete is still macro farming cars, rules for thee not for me
Wild. I had a guy using a macro in a strike today.
As a console player this has no effect on me😂 however, this is a waste of their resources and time. They should be focusing on more important things right now
if getting the right roll on exotic class items wasn't so extremely boring / tedious. There would't be any macros, why aren't these class items in the world drops or end game activity drops