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In this enthralling debate, Professor Tariq Ramadan and Maryam Namazie go head-to-head on the topic of Islam in Europe today.
Listed in a 2008 report called Victims of Intimidation: Freedom of Speech within Europe's Muslim Communities, Namazie has had multiple lectures no-platformed and disrupted. She is spokesperson for the Council of ex-Muslims and for Iranian Solidarity. Her writing specialises in challenging cultural relatavism and political Islam.
Professor of contemporary Islamic Studies in Oxford, Tariq Ramadan has held positions in Universities across the world, he is also persona non grata in at least six countries including Saudi Arabia and Egypt for his challenges to undemocratic regimes.
Namazie and Ramadan will be debating some of the biggest challenges facing Islam today.
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2020, 4 years later. Europe is more Islamised.
The British Labour Party is all Islamic.
still other countries are not understanding their tricks
@@markjayd8704 that may be possible but in europe we arent pushing people of buildings for being homosexuals we arent saying abusing women is ok, we arent radicalising our youth
@@maximus8574 Its islamabad, its the capital, dude! go check the human development index of islamabad.
If you are ranked so high in hdi, health, security, education, freedom of expression etc
Then how do you imagine shaming homosexuality or youths radicalization is even possible.
Don't believe in what anyone say to you. you should go there and find by and for yourself!
Pkmkb
how is saying that Islamic values don't fit into Europe, racist? Islam is a belief, not a race.
+Martin Shaw u're right , islam is not a race there are muslims from all races , white , black , asian, latino , middle eastern but the thing in common is that they all feel discriminated for their beliefs in the west
+Sally Zan They deserve to be discriminated against.
dutch1999 oh really well that's what u think who are u to judge 1,6 bilion ppl
Sally Zan Everyone judges other people. Anyone who says they don't is lying. No single group of people is as discriminatory against outsiders as muslims are. Until that changes they have no grounds to complain about being discriminated against.
Sally Zan
it is true that muslims in the West face discrimination, but of the positive variety. They are given preferential treatment over other communities by the governments in many ways. Their Koran also tells muslims that non-muslims are less than they, and should be discriminated against accordingly. So you are quite correct to point this out.
"A smart person knows what to say (and their right to say), a wise person knows whether to say it or not."
The Quran is by far and easily one of the most communal books ever written if not the most communal
@@fuyoutube854 alhamdulilah
Rightly said...
@@barrak2k059 he was mocking it, u misunderstood his comment.
@Michael Smyth *way of life.*^
It is refreshing to see you actually creating controversy and tackle delicate issue of liberal values. Good job to the whole board.
When did a religion become a race?
Is there such a thing as Christianophobia or Hinduphobia or buddhiphobia?
+mackjeez The suffix -phobia has nothing to do with races, so the term "Islamophobia" can be used.
@ryan4305
I completely agree but you missed the point of my argument.
The issue is that the term (islamaphobia) is more often than not associated with race.
Even in 2011 the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) began defining islamaphobia as a form of racism.
Every Muslim association and even the Arab League state that"Islam is not a race", but Islamophobia is racism.
Which doesn't make any freaking sense.
It's like saying "Christianity is not a race", but Christophobia is racism.
Since the jews convinced everybody they were the chosen people. Been happening for centuries.
mackjeez What i don't understand is why so many people makes a huge deal about it. You're correct racism isn't the right term to describe islamophobia but you understood the point he wanted to make, so why don't you just add it to the long list of commonly misused words ?
ryan4305
Well, the issue is that it's a pretty big word to be misused, especially in modern western society. Imagine Christians using Christophobia the same way Islam is using Islamophobia.
A journalist, celebrity, actor...etc.. can literately bash Christians and Christianity to their heart's content without repercussions. By acknowledging that any criticizing of Islam is considered Islamophobic (racist), you are creating a scenario where in western society, you cannot under any circumstance criticize the religion or it's actions.
It's bad enough people died by drawing a cartoon of their prophet, but soon we won't even be able to state the obvious problems of Islam without being called a bigot, racist or even worse, be persecuted for our opinions.
This "misused word" shouldn't even exist let alone be associated with something like racism.
Islam is not a race, Tariq!
hi the term racism is used to define discrimination of both race and creed to be honest. the only other terms more accurate would be islamophobic or 'religist'
+faction52 Rubbish. A creed is not race either. Stop making stuff up. A religion is not a race, you can change your religion but not your race. A religion is a set of ideas, bad ones most of the time.
+Julie Paterson i know of course a creed is not a race but the term racism has been used to describe the literal race discrimination and also more broadly for religious descrimination. its just the word thay is used. it would be more accurate to say religist but i dont think that has come into the oxford dictionary just yet
+Boogey Man rubbish
+Al Cubz well any religious state christian or muslim may be considered discriminatory as their head of state has to be of a certain religion. this is the world we live in
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Great job Maryam Namazi! It's so idiotic to call Charlie Hebdo racist! Poking fun at religion shall be completely free.
Maryam, you made me proud of being Iranian after watching your speech. hats off to you.
i know how difficult it is for Iranian women to speak up like you.
you are a brave woman👍
Agree as Iran oppresses women
I agree! I love Iranians!! such wonderful, cultured, educated people!! woman are beautiful and smart!! it makes me sad that the regime treats them with no dignity. Maryam is absolutely right and so smart!! I’m not Iranian, I just watched the debate and fell in love with her!!
You have no right to kill me for what I say
That's a strawman.
Neither debater promoted such a thing! Dr Ramadan was stridently clear in his support for free speech even against Islam, while the woman seemed concerned only with the freedom to lampoon Islam.
@Catherine Stonestreet Saudi Arabia, Iran, Oman and some other Muslim countries forbid alcohol consumption and punish violators by whipping.
Except if you're Christian. In that case they allow it, although perhaps not in public. That seems very lenient to me when I think about laws regarding alcohol and drugs in the west.
@Catherine Stonestreet
Your argument against the statement "you have no right to say something that kills me inside" is to tell that person to go back where they came from or to assimilate if they want to stay whatever you live. But is that really the right response? There's nothing in the statement that identifies the person as a foreigner and the statement itself doesn't strike me as really controversial. There are many examples of things we forbid each other to say, certainly in public, because it hurts people, because "it kills them inside". I should say because it kills *us* inside, though. We now say "the N word" when that word was once commonplace. And there are some things you can say that US courts have deemed "fighting words" and saying them akin to a physical assault. Who wants the right to say something so hurtful it kills someone else inside anyway? Or what could anyone have to say that is so important it requires being permitted to be so hurtful to someone else. Maybe there is something but I can't think of what it might be.
I hope you reconsider the question. I think it's what you would want that other person to do regarding you and your feelings.
Catherine Stonestreet mother Mary wore exactly that your bible says you should cover your head then how is it wrong to practice that I think you should too
@Catherine Stonestreet Like I said, you're welcome to laugh at my clothes but it's not right you expect me to wear a burka. Please try to pay attention.
Now, back to your request: how am I supposed to blow you, you being a woman? I'll be honest, it's a weird request, but, no judgements here! Whatever gets you off. You want me to wear a burka? Let's both wear burkas!
Very informative and interesting debate and i appreciate to Lady she is leading very well
Amazing, after so long, this vid is still drawing new audiences
Thats because religious denial is an undyingbeast.
it's time to wake up Europe
It's PAST time for Europe to wake up!
@The Last Saxon well didn't go so well😏😏
Yes, wake up, stop provoking us.
Right
@m d He is A NOT GOOD MUSLIM THEN!!
I loved this discussion.. very interesting ...
A live face-to-face debate is always good to watch, both educational and entertaining. Probably the only thing missing was no final vote on a winner. Would be really precious if they could repeat it now, after 7 October 2023 (if that's at all possible if one is under investigation on rape charges).
So incredible!!
Is it just me or is this room full of Muslims?
+Antonio Brandao Its just you
+Antonio Brandao its just you.. specsaver 2 for 1 buddy
+Antonio Brandao No its not just you, thats what always happens with debates about islam, they flood the room to try and intimidate and jeer at the opponent and interrupt, youtube it , it happens all the time
+xRsAtx
the problem is that the muslim guy is much more rational.... and that's the problem for islam and muslim haters....
+Antonio Brandao I'd assume that there is a method for inviting audience, maybe reserved seats or something. But at least this thread is full of Muslims ;)
Being obsessed with one's rights is very arrogant? This guy is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He just doesnt understand human rights in their purest form. It's scary listening to him get applause.
Chaz The demographic of the audience provides an answer.
I know my right but I won't hurt my children. Simple example.
Being a Christian for all my generations I would never imagined that one day people would come up with something called defending their right to insult a religion.
and play the victim when people respond🤦♀️
@@suma6881 jesus is a god, the people who said he was their prophet lost their caliphate
now, we expose a child rapist with the best cartoons and people are raging because they think they are the victims of muhamed cartoons...
alla has slaves, if you mock alla for being needy, you do not insult a religion
Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim
Allah said in the Qur'an
Do the disbelievers not realize that the heavens and earth were 'once' one mass then We split them apart? And We created from water every living thing, Will they not then believe?
And We have placed firm mountains upon the earth so it does not shake with them, and made in it broad pathways so they may find their way.
And We have made the sky a well-protected canopy, still they turn away from its signs.
And He is the One Who created the day and the night, the sun and the moon- each traveling in an orbit.
We have not granted immortality to any human before you ' O Prophet', so if you die, will they live forever?
Every soul will taste death, And We test you 'O humanity' with good and evil as a trial, then to Us you will 'all' be returned.
[ Qur'an 21: 30-35 ]
@@straightpath3626 scientists know that there are no heavens, Ptolemy was wrong
anyone who rejects the prophets and the bible is a disbeliever, and hell is their destiny
ps your man made quran is corrupt and pagan
@@worfoz
Congratulation to you for attacking Islam impatiently.
We know your disease in the deep of your heart.
Only Allah's will one could know about Islam otherwise not.
Allah hate arrogant people who compare any of His creation with Him.
Why can't this people host show on Christianity in middle East?
Sir . Lebanon was a Christian country few years back now it was a Muslim country. Turkey was a ruled by a Christian leader and now a it was a muslim country ther number will be small but it will multiply in big number why they are traveling 4000 kilometers to Europe ,when they have rich neighbourhood countries like Saudi Dubai oman Qatar omen that they can share same language and culture that can mingle with them.
Boronchi Pradeep how did Islam reach Indonesia and Asia when no Islam Empire in history has ever stretch into Indonesia or China where mosques are being burnt down by the government as we speak. Look in your history books. Even the Mughals never got that far or had the technology to introduce the beautiful qualities Islam has within its way of life. Explain that. Indonesia a land of islands and indigenous people have been presented Islam by who? I’ll answer that. The Quran reached them. Not people. They read it and understood it. Didn’t spread through war or conquer.
Because we know everything about christianity and beyond that you follow ... So time to give you some knowledge fam... peace ✌🏿
@@alemradoncic368 ... You won my heart!
Aly Mohammed I just speak with truth and I observe what is presented with open eyes and without doubt. As long as your curious and like Allah said “do you not ponder?” I just want to be the person with the answers to your questions.
His statement: “Islam doesn’t need reform.” said it ALL. Comprehensive, bare-bones and stark.
Second part of which was “ I want to reform Muslim minds.” Catchy thing to say isn’t it!? But empty, meaningless,manipulative sound bite. Realistically, what reform by progressive Muslims is allowed in a rigid fundamentalist religion where the faithful can’t even leave the religion, nevermind try to reform from within?! Their murder is called for. Let’s start with that.
It is a religion which brooks no alternate opinion- whatsoever. Either from believers or non-believers.
Ninja FEESE ...Troll.🤣
Ninja FEESE ...no force? Please! It’s nothing but oppression.
Ninja FEESE ...I’m sure you’d like to think so, it would make you feel better. What I am is thrilled that my mind is not chained by unproven, nonsensical, ridiculous, dangerous belief in this religion of a supernatural entity and the illiterate peasant that supposedly brought the word of it to you all. Islam is the ‘total’ solution- first five letters of totalitarianism - oppression of ALL people. How dare you and your ilk? The world is becoming more secular, people are waking up.
to islam their religion is the perfect religion and needs no reform. actually its not a religion but an ideology within a cult
Wow. Ms. Namazie (please forgive me if I got that wrong) was awesome. She was articulate, educated, truthful and insightful. It’s even more impressive that she didn’t fall into the philosophical and semantic traps this gentleman attempted to throw at her. Hands down she was the winner of this debate!
@Pain Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but in the future let’s use facts.
Thanks again sir
I saw the whole debate it was good, thanks for posting it
My peace i bring to you my peace i leave with you please give ala his rightful place ln his world he is going to judge all evi jesus is the ansure .
@@cyrilclarke7469 I didn’t understand ur sentence?
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Why is it the unforgivable sin in Islam to confess " there is only one God and this is YHWH""
The Name Jesus means------------- ***"YHWH SAVES "**
Elijah means------------- --------------***" MY GOD IS YHWH"***
John means ----------------------------***" YHWH has been gracious""***
Zakariya means -----------------------***""YHWH has remembered""***
are all prophets according to the Quran
@@hannawurst6064 I dont understand
does someone explain this curiosity in Islam to me? If Allah is not YHWH!
**The word God (Allah, El , ELohim,.......) is just a title !! YHWH is the proper name of the 1 true God!**
Elijah means------------- --------------" ***MY ALLAH IS YHWH***
Elijah means------------- --------------" ***MY GOD IS YHWH***
Elijah means------------- --------------" ***MY ELOHIM IS YHWH***
Elijah means------------- --------------" ***MY EL IS YHWH***
After witnessing this debate I came to learn that in Muslim/Islam majority places every freedom is restricted.
You aren't allow to speak against their interest even if you think it is not right. Everyone is force to go with it even if you think it is wrong.
Well almost all countries have certain restrictions to maintain their interest. it's not something uniquely "Islamic".
Every country's constitution makes some restrictions for citizens. If there is no restrictions place will be miserable.
We should have certain restriction, but they have too many restrictions.
That is what I mean.
@@Funtimevideos402 Those two that commented do not care what you meant, they care only to make excuses for islam, and the comparison with a countries laws or constitution is ridiculous, and childish, compared to their shitty book that commands them to kill everything and everyone that is a polytheist or infidel to islam. They can not EVER correct themselves, and they will ALWAYS follow a shit book that was written by a shithed 1500 years ago, because they believe that rubbish to be the word of god and therefore infallible. They do all belong in a mental asylum, where heavy doses of valium is given for breakfast, with electric schock as a desert.
@@GeorgeFafa Its so easy to spew hatred on this platform. I would love you to express your views face to face ( with a mask on of course). The question posed is a strange interpretation of one person expressing their absolute right to say anything no matter how offensive as apposed to another who says that one should criticise but always be respectful. This comes from someone who is banned in 6 Arab countries.
My house is my house
My duty to clean as l will
With no duty upon thee
Unless your aid l seek
Great debate.
I *have* to be free to have the toughts that I have.
And I *have* to be free to speak them, as much as I want.
This is the freedom I want, because it's the *duty* that I have to myself and to others.
Victor Rodrigues oLmi!
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You have a right to your freedom but you have the right to respect others or stay away from them and also you have the right to obedience because with all your rights at your own place can't be replicated to other people or other places if they are in line with your self needed freedom.
@@abrahamjatta1676, you have no idea what freedom of speech is. What does 'right of obedience' mean, what are you talking about? Obedience, is it a right or is it a duty? You seem to be confused.
If you don't agree with my freedom of speech, you are free to go. And, if I agree with that, you are free to refute my arguments. That's the freedom that you have (and that I have).
'Right to obedience'??? Obedience to whom? To you, to muslims? You are wrong, man! This is a free world, not even God forces you to obey Him; let alone men can force you.
You have a long road to go in learning what 'freedom' means...!
@@victorrodrigues5448 everyone is obedient to something
Your obedient to your view of freedom we our
But as far as I see nowadays freedom means disrespecting others belief
Ones freedom clashing with others
World going down in hell
It depends what thoughts you have. Harmful thoughts is not logic to share and double standard thoughts has to be explained individually as it depends on the mental value of that individual.
There is no right to unjustified VIOLENCE‼️
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That can become tricky when u call out any criticism as ''VIOLENCE''.
@@endryl08 Violence in Islam as seen by the world = kidnaping, murder, invasion
cuz the world is jealous at Islam,and want to look at Islam from a poor angle
for some reasons
fastest growing religion for a reason :)
She made a good point about being able to mock Christianity liberally and not Jewish or Islam.
Do you know how many Jews in Hollywood mocked Judaism?
In Israel we have a tv serious called "The Jews are coming" - Mocked everything in Judaism!
As a Jewish guy, its fine with me. Religion needs to care about its people and those don't believe in that religion. Definitely not harm anyone physically!
The lady taking part in this debate spoke with deep subject knowledge. There was little or no fat on her words, delivered with authority, conviction and utter clarity
Lol
@@ugursenturk5860 when you quit giggling, do you have a point you wanna make?
@@paulgrech4210nah
@@ugursenturk5860 shocker
@@paulgrech4210 absolutley
In Europe difference by looks, accent and especially behavior provokes prejudice from majority, yes. But very seldom a death or incarceration or even public beating.
15th
@@gingernoise711 no people are fucking bigots and racists in london you fool
****////////⚠️⚠️ Allah's prophets are named after another GOD⚠️⚠️Has Allah forgotten his name or is he just an IDOL!⚠️⚠️ //////////***
Why is it the unforgivable sin in Islam to confess " there is only one God and this is YHWH""
The Name Jesus means------------- *"YHWH SAVES "
Elijah means------------- --------------" MY GOD IS YHWH"
John means ----------------------------" YHWH has been gracious""
Zakariya means -----------------------""YHWH has remembered""
Jacob means----------------------------"YHWH will PROTECT!"
*******+++++++are all prophets according to the Quran++++++********
@@Hannestv4607
What’s your name? And what does it mean?
@@Hannestv4607 you are one of those that Jesus speek of you words that Jesus describe you as fool wicked adulterer that's how Jesus call someone like you your bible says so
this guy is literally contradicting what he says 5 mins before and is interrupting her. He is quite clearly, as the lady mentioned with his view on gender segregation, a misogynist.
Hannah Abdi Islam and Women’s Rights. A classic oxymoron.
Hannah Abdi Where on earth did you find killing and raping women in the tenets of Christianity?
Tariq with all Respect due to You - I didn't think that ' she had contradictions '. As a matter of Fact - I feel that she " Truly Brings home a great many ' Core Important Points ' that need ' Sorely to be Addressed ' !!!!
Honestly in every meaningful society there is right to freedom of expression, but it should be used with respect for humanity. So please don't allow political selfish interest to blindfold the TRUTH.
Islam is dieing thank goodness
@@donaldhawkins5209 ur mum is dying white boi sharia law takin over inshallah Allah hu akbar
@@Chowmein977 My brother, please be a good example to other people to spread the message of Islam. That's how Muslims are.. 🙏🙏
@@Chowmein977 HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh this nikka
***////////⚠️⚠️ Allah's prophets are named after another GOD⚠️⚠️ Has Allah forgotten his name or is he just an IDOL!⚠️⚠️//////////****
Why is it the unforgivable sin in Islam to confess " there is only one God and this is YHWH""
The Name Jesus means------------- ***"YHWH SAVES "**
Elijah means------------- --------------***" MY GOD IS YHWH"***
John means ----------------------------***" YHWH has been gracious""***
Zakariya means -----------------------***""YHWH has remembered""***
**********are all prophets according to the Quran**************
First give freedom of speech and expression to women in Islam.
@Alpha Man Still there are 90% Muslim women wearing hijab like being in prison
virendra singh take a challenge instead of showing off you ignorance and hence hate towards the most glorious religion that civilised the barbaric world and continues to do so even to this day! Show where the quran says women do not have freedom of speech and expression.
@Alpha Man Considering how they're made to dress and how they're treated in Islamic countries, um ... Yeah.
@Alpha Man If the only Monotheistic religion on the table was Islam and the greatest apologist in the world in opposition to Islam was destroyed by a Muslim (in a debate, not a terrorist attack), then I would renounce Monotheistic religions and become a Polytheist.
virendra singh please stop being an ignorant biased individual just because you are a hater of Islam.
The contrast is so so stark between Hinduism and Islam! Islam saved the women and made them equal more than 1400 years ago! Most of the so called western world is still backward in so many ways as compared to what Islam bestowed women 1400 years ago! Women were leaders! Oldest running university in the world was established by a Muslim woman! Shame on you! Do you think Benazir Bhutto and successive Prime ministers of Bangladesh do not have freedom to do anything? What a nonsensical biased individual you are!
FYI, Iran has more women representatives in its government than the so called leader of the world USA!
You think they were all silent, had no freedom of speech and expression and yet they got elected?
India kills females in infancy! Islam was the first religion to abolish such a barbaric practice! And Indian Hindutwa governance allows it as I speak!
And tell me which Muslim country this is:
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End of Europe
Next generation kids can learn once upon a time there was a continent called Europe
Lol
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If european people will not learn lessons from history of India they will suffer a lot, their next generation will suffer like Indian generations are suffering today
meow meow It's ok though, Deutschland Becomes Allahland, France becomes arabiance, Italy becomes it-Ali, England Disappears ✌️ Scotland Claims Independence, Ulster Goes back to Ireland and stays United while immigrant Loyalists get deported to Siberia. Spain becomes Basque Land aka MosqueLand while the Vatican is ruled by the Meccan annnnnd the rest will work itself out 👍 Long term consequences of Muslim Population Growing include, Russia Suicide Nukes themselves... Donald Trump unites North and South Korea then invades United Korea adding another state to the US, which will eventually result in becoming but (Not Limited Too!) A Nuclear Testing Sight inhabited by Democrats.
There must be a conclusion by Oxford behalf over replying Given by both so that there will be who respons was fairly ok to the topic
Great debate
Tariq Ramadan never answered the questions during Q&A and basically continued his own speech / attacks to his opponent.
Psyche1954 I personally don't make distinctions between Islam and Islamism. But i think I know what you mean... ;-)
***** Let me guess, you are one of this sublime intelligences who thinks Islam is just a religion....
Sleep well!
Hope you wake up before the shit hits the van, kid.
+Nick Dulic I am of Sicilian descent, we have been warring against " Islam " for over a Thousand years. Sicily spent 200 years in slavery to the Arabs, we have No Trust for them. " Love thy enemy " as you Love yourself ; but keep a Strong Wall and Gate.
+DonLeons Roszavilla so you distrust all Muslims?
+Nick Dulic What about what DonLeons Roszavilla said was not clear to you? I am also of Sicilian decent, and I agree entirely with him. It would be a grave insult to our ancestors to forget the historical trauma inflicted upon them for 200 years under Islamic tyranny. We must honor them by not allowing it to happen again.
This guy is a fool. How did he ever manage to become a Professor? The lady is a million times smarter.
Not at all
navid allahvaran yes absolutely
Well-said Mariam Namazi!
Shallow conversation! It was personal attack rather than a critical debate. The lady addressed good points but in not understandable way. One legit question from the guy could be “do you believe in political islam?”
Why no freedom of expression in Islam and why Islam is compatible with secularism and democracy.
It's incompatible.
what? in islam words like freedom and do not even exist.
@@SMShah-nc6rv only anyone of these 180 karore ppl got any brain then they can verify, Muslims got kuran and alah, so they they don't need brain, alah have given to them all the instructions in the kuran.
@@SMShah-nc6rv kuran only religious book o have not read, i have learned a lot about kuran by observing how Muslims behaviour around the world, alah is biggest dictator on the planets, i have a glass of water in front of me,. get alah to drink this glass of water, i promise to change my religion and become a devoted Muslim right now, put up or shut up.
@@SMShah-nc6rv your alah have declared that im a kafir, according kuran i have to be converted by persuasion, by threats if i was living few hundred years back in history my head would have been chopped of me being a free thinking person, tell me who were your ancestors before they converted in to islam?
This was interesting... I learned a few things which is the idea of a debate. They each had some weak points and some good points. The personal jabs at each other took away from the quality. The moderator did a great job of keeping it civil and ensuring the audience followed the rules of the debate too. We need more of this respectful debate so that some listening is done too. A hot topic indeed.
The argument she presented has no foundation and at best apocryphal.
@@TAHYA_ALJAZAIR elaborate
@@negao360 Ask specific questions and I will do my best. Identify yourself as I do, it helps mankind to know who they talk, write and argue with. So please elaborate on your elaborate and be specific.
***////////⚠️⚠️ Allah's prophets are named after another GOD⚠️⚠️ Has Allah forgotten his name or is he just an IDOL!⚠️⚠️//////////****
Why is it the unforgivable sin in Islam to confess " there is only one God and this is YHWH""
The Name Jesus means------------- ***"YHWH SAVES "**
Elijah means------------- --------------***" MY GOD IS YHWH"***
John means ----------------------------***" YHWH has been gracious""***
Zakariya means -----------------------***""YHWH has remembered""***
***/////////////////are all prophets according to the Quran/////////////////***
@@negao360 well for one she has no understanding about shariah! she doesn't understand what Islam is and who Muslims are - Her understanding of shariah is so wrong its funny!
We in Europe do not except radicalised mentality of many who follow Islam ,millions have decided to come to Europe rather than on fifty Muslims countries ,many of us are alarmed by this religion ,we have been christian countries for more than five hundred years ,and migrates must understand when they come to our or other Christian countries they must understand ,they come here and must adhere to our culture and beliefs not the other way round .
muslims adhere how they can adhere and wont change their beliefs at all as that would make them change their belief systems and result to them not being muslims at all and many countries in europe are not christian countries but christian majority countries and are secular nations
muslims come to live their lives not to attack other people so i do not see a reason for you to be alarmed and 99 percent of muslims do not have a radical mentality so there is no reason for your RADICAL mentality
Go to Europe have 10 kids each and not follow their laws isn’t a civilised way to settle down . Is it ?
Go to Middle East bomb them with all kind of weapons , steal their oil , gold and other resources isn't a civilised way to settle down.Is it?
@@fbbinoire201 Peacefuls be like:
@The young G you dont even know to read properly , when i said settle? go back to school little kid
@The young G cry again
Ramadan-patronizing, bullying his opponent. Difficult to follow. Slick & slimy.
Maryam-a voice worth listening to; courageous & clear. Admirable.
He’s a rapist
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@@bennevis6843 www.islamahmadiyya.net/index.asp?ver=2.1
She is confused beween islam and islamist,little knowledge ,she want gain something from others by saying Iam ex muslin,ramadan had clear points understanble and logical ,a knowledge is a key dud
Ramdan is a slimy rapist
Tariq is not offering a solution..just looking to control and belittle.
PRECISELY!!!
Charle Abdou and all world attacks is 100% made by intelligence to make ppl hate Islam and Muslims so they go vote for racist parties like marine lepen and SD
My personal:
On the Second question,the Guy was telling her that she is on the emotional ground,and i feel,he is forgetting everything about his point an ideas need to present,however trying blame game,one may put what if the debate was in the market place!!. I mean,showing of what she have just said about.
There is an undeniable responsibility, that each and every world leaders is endowed with when in power, regardless of ideology, of personal belief, or the religious tradition with which they are, and have been immersed. Being reminded of the fragility of human nature when given power, seems to be a primary aspect that is constantly denied in our modernist assumptions, as we assume that human reason would not permit us to stoop to controlling citizens without it. Sadly there is, as this debate clearly illustrates, that words and definitions of words/concepts are vital in our communications between each other. Education is of course a necessary adjunct to this as was also noted, but this too needs qualifying as education is so closely tied to politics, to culture, and ideology and how we as an individual attempts to interpret according to our own personal truth concept. How is it possible for one person to have all the truth, if humanity is in fact a thing? Each person it seems submits a miniscule something to humanity and regardless of how big or small, grand or modest, is of gigantic importance. When that importance is sidelined by someone else (either in power or not) any human being reacts, regardless of belief system.
We humans are blessed with intellect only to realize how stupid we are, and we are getting closer to our goal every day
Lol
Allaah is the creator of everything earth and sky and everything in universe and above you your belief and us our believe your choice leave us alone we pray for your guidance we love Our creator.we worship one All mighty ALLAAH THAT IS IT ACCEPT OR REJECT YOUR PROBLEM.MAY YOU RECEIVE GUIDANCE.WE WILLNEVER INSULT ANY RELIGION NOR ANY PROPHET OF ALLAAH WE LOVE AND RESPECT THEM ALL..MAY YOU STOP YOUR HATRED OR JEAULOSY FOR MUSLIMS YOUR OPINION IS NOT IMPORTANT IF YOU ARE PART OF SOCIETY RESPECT OTHER PEOPLE'S BELIEFS WE ARE IN ONE WORLD HELP TO STOP THE WARS AGAINST MUSLIMS STOP THOSE WHO MURDER TORTURE OCCUPY STEAL WEALTH OF POOR COUNTRIES IT IS DISGUSTING ILLEGAL SHAMEFUL .STOP EVIL THAT IS A MUCH BETTER WAY FOR YOU MUSLIM OR NOT WE ARE ALL CREATURES OF THE SAME KIND SPEAK GOOD OF EACH OTHER ISLAAM IS NOT AN IDEA IT IS A WAY OF LIFE.WE BELIEVE IN ALLAAH AND FOLLOW OUR BELOVED PROPHET PEACE BE UPON HIM. HE IS THE SEAL OF THE PROPHETS NO MORE MESSENGERS.AFTER HIM WE ARE THE LAST OF CREATION.END OF TIME WILL COME SOONER OR LATER.ISLAAM WILL SURVIVE..YOU AND NO ONE CAN AND WILL STOP ISLAAM NO EVIL GOVERNMRNTS WILL EVER SUCCEED LONG LIVE MUSLIMS LONG LIVE ISLAAM LONG LIVE JUSTICE AND PEACE .WE PRAY FOR LOVE AND PEACE AND TO LIVE SIDE BY SIDE IN PEACE.AND HARMONY WE LOVE ALL CREATION OF ALLAAH WE FEAR NO ONE BUT ALLAAH WE ARE NOR AFRAID OF ANY ONE BUT ALLAAH.THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.LETS STOP ALL KILLINGS AND STEALING OF OUR NATURAL RESOURCES .OUR EXISTANCE.AND OUR DIGNITY..THIS WORLD NOW NEED NEW JUST LEADERS.AND STOP THIS GLOBALISATION EXPROPIATION.AND JUGLE AND PAGANISM IS GONE FROM THIS WORLD IT CAN'T COME BACK IT IS FINISH WE AS WOMAN SHOULD APPRECIATE OUR LAWS IN QURAAN OUR CHAPTERS IN QURAAN WHICH PROTECTS ALL WOMEN IN THIS WORLD WE ARE FAVOURED ABOVE ALL WE ARE GRATEFUL.TO THE QURAAN AND PRAY TO BE BENIFICIAL . TO ALL WOMAN AND MEN WE HAVE TO LIVE TOGETHER WITH LOVE AND RESPECT.ISLAAM IS FOR ALL
@J C im muslim but the comment above is the worst way to preach, reminds me of christians who just say:"Repent"
@@lizzmiirad7903 and please please don't tell me that it's because it's immature when the question is based off the fact that you do indeed justify it...
@Bob Smith 🤦♂️
The lady is brilliant and she made Ramadan look as he is. A cunning two faced liar. He speaks calm nice and relaxed, but he's an Islamist at heart.
This aged well - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_Ramadan ; "In November 2017, Tariq Ramadan took leave of absence from Oxford to contest allegations of rape and sexual misconduct.[10] The university's statement noted that an "agreed leave of absence implies no acceptance or presumption of guilt".[4] In February 2018, he was formally charged with raping two women: a disabled woman in 2009 and a feminist activist in 2012.[11][12] In September 2019, the French authorities have expanded the investigation against Ramadan, already charged with raping two women, to include evidence from two more alleged victims.[13] On 5 December 2019, a Swiss woman who had accused him of rape in 2018, launched a new case against him for slander.[14] In February 2020, Ramadan was formally charged with raping two more women[15] and in October 2020, Ramadan was formally charged with raping a fifth woman.[16]"
@@eduardofangueiro4066 It doesn't surprise me he's a very arrogant guy who's ego is bigger then the man.
Watched all of it again
Very useful and important debate. I fully agree with the Lady debater. Oxford Union work is badly needed in today's controversial world.
One should never insult others. As a result he can react more severely .And then situation will be aggravated. Never play with the emotions of others.I think that man was more reasonable as compared to lady.
@@muhammadkhan-wu6mb both are right but slightly with the man
@@levi_2134 the man is entirely right
@@muhammadkhan-wu6mb he can react more severly? Is that islam teach you?
@@muhammadkhan-wu6mb
We never insult you personally, we criticism the ideology of extremism.
If you think that criticising @islam is personal attack on you, then that's your issue and it should be changed if you are living in a non islamic country.
The crusaders didn't die for Europe to have a debate about this shit.
No, they died for land and wealth. And they happened to kill thousands of innocents for their strictly selfish goals as well. Even Pope Urban II had selfish motives. He called for the crusades in order to gain the upper hand in his struggle with Antipope Clement III.
Sure, and it had nothing to do with the prior 300 year long Islamic invasion of France, Hungary and Italy.
If that were the case, they would reconquer Spain, not Jerusalem. By the way, Hungary was never invaded by any Muslim until the 16th century.
Why do they always resort to ad hominem.. Lady was so respectful and precise
When???
Subtitle bahasa please !!
12:40 I'm from Bangladesh and Ajivit Roy was also writing against government censorship and imprisonment of bloggers for writing against the government. He was killed in the Ekushe Book Fair by a terrorist group(which nobody supports) and we mourned for him
@Muhammad Menal Nope Us Bangladeshi Atheists criticise all religions. It's just that islam is much more prevalent in our Bangladeshi society so we talk about It's dark sides more.We have nothing agaisnt muslim people just the religion itself. Bhalo thaken bhai.
@Muhammad Menal So the most obvious consequence is being hacked to death? Do you see the problem with our society? I am anti religion too, should I be hacked to death too if I become public? Is this your perfect islamic society? Shameful.
@Muhammad Menal So criticising Islam.Its lack of freedom of speech, sexism and homophobia is islamophobia. Killing and punishing anyone who doesn’t agree with you.Is this the religion you truely want to follow?
Sahih al-Bukhari 6922 "Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to `Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn `Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"[12]
@Muhammad Menal Sunan an-Nasa'i 3255 "It was narrated from 'Aishah that the Messenger of Allah married her when she was six years old, and consummated the marriage with her when she was nine
Tbh, the first guy's question was not answered by either of them. The whole session felt more like personal attack on each other.
Beheading is not being honest.
@@RKthruthelens that’s weird, I didn’t see any beheadings in this video
@Felsimore Gumtang And what about who Killed 20 million people around the world? America?
@@ashirgujjar4092 You are free to say Christianity was hidden power to destroy the peace they are free to act like sinner theirs beliefs all are sinners accept the sin then what is need to do for good deeds the loss of humanity around the world the experiment of arms in nagasaki hirosima but not in Christian country
@@Crysta675 what?
Maryam Namazie is my heroine.
subtitle Indonesia nya ada neak...???
full of important imformation love learning with you
Excellent work is being done by Oxford Union, please keep it up!
This aged well - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_Ramadan ; "In November 2017, Tariq Ramadan took leave of absence from Oxford to contest allegations of rape and sexual misconduct.[10] The university's statement noted that an "agreed leave of absence implies no acceptance or presumption of guilt".[4] In February 2018, he was formally charged with raping two women: a disabled woman in 2009 and a feminist activist in 2012.[11][12] In September 2019, the French authorities have expanded the investigation against Ramadan, already charged with raping two women, to include evidence from two more alleged victims.[13] On 5 December 2019, a Swiss woman who had accused him of rape in 2018, launched a new case against him for slander.[14] In February 2020, Ramadan was formally charged with raping two more women[15] and in October 2020, Ramadan was formally charged with raping a fifth woman.[16]"
@@eduardofangueiro4066
This is the Islamic culture representative 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻
@@eduardofangueiro4066 This is the most important comment here!
@@eduardofangueiro4066 fantastic debate... A clear eye opener in terms of human rights, free speech and respecting sensitivities of others.. Absolutely interesting indeed.. Kudos to Oxford 👍👍👍👏👏👏
Pp
Islamophobia is my default and instinctive position!
I call it "self defense!"
Thats sad
I am Muslim i respect other people believes like Christians, they are my workmates.
Anglophbic one word.
The loss of humanity in ww1, ww2, can you define
It will be cool if you know Islam a little bit minimum read the qur'an first. If u still Islamophobia, it's yours.
Please put the text bellow, because I still lack of knowledge in vocabulary :)
Accept that hatred exists. Preach no hatred but accept the fact that hatred does exist.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to death your right to say it"
I am a Muslim Bosnian. My ancestors have been living in Europe for thousands of years. Most European Muslims are ethnic Europeans living in Southern and Eastern Europe; not Middle Eastern refugees.
Still converted trash
Madson Barbosa fucking deluded pal 😀
AnishWaT it’s never to late to change
Rasima Čorbadžić
Assalamualaikum.
Alhamdulillah I'm Muslim and proud 💜. I living Asia in Bangladesh.
Chouchou Ccc get a grip fool
" Open Discussion & Contextual REFORM in Islam is Badly Needed " !!!!
I’ve never more expected for a debate in my life
Very good 👍
From India
By their fruits shall ye know them.
Amen.
You have a picture of ahriman so I doubt anyone should listen to you.
Fruits of crusides ? Or the frutis of Temple knight ? Or the fruits of colonization ? Or the fruit of destroying Iraq, Afgahnistan , libea .... ? The fruits of Hiroshema? WW1 /WW2 ? Inded By their fruits shall we know them !!! AMEN !!
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@@Anonymous-wt7mm the fruit of your labour. "fruitless are the deeds of darkness"
I bear witness that none deserves worship except Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah,
@JOHN JAMES HARPER where do u get this moon god thing from lol
@JOHN JAMES HARPER mate ffs where do u get this info from lol
It's better to convert everything to english like God did with non arabic names in quran and call Allah God.
@JOHN JAMES HARPER "Maybe the crescent moon on top of your mosques."
Ok you worship a cross then .. Pagan ..
@JOHN JAMES HARPER bokachoda
damn, i wanted him to say nononono my minute! when they started clapping
Please allow eng subtitles
Why was Prof Ramadan allowed to subvert the clearly defined (1:30) structure of this debate, by directly asking questions of the other speaker ?
Cus he's a cool dude, unlike you . He completely and utterly destroyed her with that chess debate kung fu move while subverting your sacred british structure of debate with a real conversation. She made a fool of her cowardly self choosing not to answer such an incredibly direct question hoping it will just go away, a master stroke indeed.
@Catherine Stonestreet Give us an example then. Just asserting shit without reason is no argument.
That's a eye and brain opener
Yes fuck islam
Simple und gut fur deutschland
@@user-mc8ow8me9o Cope lol. Europe will become Muslim within the century.
Adoooohhj..sayang ga bs translite indonesia..jd ga ngerti
I’m with Maryam Namazie. I admired her.
We arent dealing with a religion, we are dealing with an emergent theocracy.
@Wisdom Rising 😅😅
@Wisdom Rising Evidence of your nonsensical claims? Your still dreaming. You should probably wake up now.
all of you who are spreading hate just read the most wisdom book of all time :QURAN
Kemail Imeroski the Quran spreads hate
@@mountaindew3201 nop you are wrong and ignorant i was like you long time ago
Emancipate our self from mental slavery, None but ourself can free our mind.
- Bob Marley
This is not fair because BM also was a kinda brainwashed person, so became rastafarian (sort of christian). Another fairy tail.
who is bob marley?
This song of Freedom...
Taking a little part of something, whether it's from a song or from a religion, to justify your own small mindedness and to trick other people into liking you.. I see a lot of that nowadays.
You are not the reference to the authority of Islam
So the Charlie staff who were murdered are to blamed for their own deaths?
Muslims are despicable but those who defend them are more disgusting. I wish they end up in Muslim countries to see the real face of Islam.
Absolutely not.
They should have been challenged in court and sued for hate speech. In a democratic society no one should be attacked physically or worse killed for something they wrote or said.
@مُحنك
You are mixing personal/family attacks with mockery of clergy in general. That’s a bad comparison.
Your post reminds of school yard bullying. Which though horrible for the bullied, doesn’t give him right to shoot and kill the class mates.
@@mysterymiss9793 People like you are despicable filled with ignorance and blind hate spreading your lies for your own political agendas
Agree with the lady. She is telling the truth.
She is great!
0:45 if Saudi Arabia and Egypt want you away, you're probably doing something very right
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No
if you steal, kill or do other kind of crime you will be banned from arabia. so i think u are just dumb and a criminal who thinks this kind of crimes are right. so do your research or shut up you internet warrior.
Not at all. It’s something called khurooj.
I liked it to some degree, but I disliked how he was always attacking her instead of answering the question, which just went to show me he's wrong since when you don't have a good defense the next best thing to do is demonize your opponent instead of defending your position.
he didn't attack her lol, he had to aim the discussion at her because she quoted his words wrongly.
Yes what he said about reform muslim mind is super
Tariq doesn't understand that the cartoonists were the victims. Says all you need to know about him
Were you expecting him griefing for the victims in a debate that it's main subject is islam ?
Heavy guy. Not smart. Kept attacking the lady and not answering questions.
Sara Torres ?
Absolutely a lie, Tariq Ramadan never attacked The anti Islam lady of hate but Her idea of none scene, lol
The declarations made on 9 August 2002 by Sheikh Omar Bakri founder of the Islamic Religious Court in London and head of the Islamic al-Muhajiroun organization: "We will transform the West into Dar Al-Islam [that is, a region under Islamic rule] through outside invasions. If an Islamic State arises and invades [the West] we will be its army and its soldiers from within. If not, we will invade the West through ideological invasions from within, without war and killings. Either they receive our preaching [of Islam], or we will live among them and they will be influenced by us and will accept Islam as a political solution to their problems, and not as an ideological solution. ... They [the West] have imposed human laws on us, and the [future] Islamic regime will impose Islamic religious laws on them. Muslims will act of their own accord, and all those who are not Muslims will be obliged to do so through the [Islamic] law ".
Many Muslim leaders and believers deny or minimize violence.
"Kill the unbelievers [ie, anyone who is not Muslim] wherever you meet them. This is the reward of the unbelievers " - (Sura 2: 191)
- "War is prescribed, even if you don't like it" - (Sura 2: 216) -
(From New Testament)
Ephesians 5:11, NIV: "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them."
She based it too much on emotion and victimisation 🙄
Tnx...bai
This type of FORUM is a welcome decision to enlighten the public on their religions. I thank Allah SWT for giving us this chance to understand the right thing to follow and the wrong thing to throw away.
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the exactly the reason why your religion is not safe for other religions... because you guys will go to the extreme to even behead people.
don't act as if you are victims, most of the part of History your religion was always the perpetrator.
So when are you throwing away Islam?
Best example in india kashmir pandit
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Islamic critical thinking is an oxymoron!
I notice that the muslims did not clap their hands when Maryam end her speech!
It's a thing you know. Unlike christianity where you cant question anything and atheism who just ask unnecessary questions, we muslims are allowed to ask questions and to have doubts. Faith in Islam is strengthened by doubt and asking questions. Why do you think muslims have so many scholars?
@@ahmadabdullateef3386 I have a few questions: 1. Which kind of god give the rules like that quran 4/34: "...beat your women...", 47/4: "...who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them...", 5/33: "....The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land..."
2. quran and allah did not end slavery! He forbid pork in one verse, but he did not send a single verse without other options for ending slavery. Which kind of god did not end slavery?
3. What is the definition of pedophilia? Aishah that the Messenger of Allah married her when she was six years old, and consummated the marriage with her when she was nine.
Reference:Sunan an-Nasa'i 3255
In-book reference : Book 26, Hadith 60
English translation : Vol. 4, Book 26, Hadith 325
@@charleskittelp.1125 Quran 4:34. Only applies to women who abuse their rights and by extension their husbands. Explicitly stated you can't cause harm, can't hit the face can't leave a mark. Its not beating then is it? And secondly quote who dam verse.
Quran 4:74
"So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds."
Its a war verse. Really don't see the problem here.
Quran 5:33. Again its a war verse. What do you expect them to do, hand them roses?
2. There are multiple verses in the Quran whereby slaves are freed to forgive sins, slaves are allowed to buy their freedom etc. Not one verse condones slavery so yes it came to end slavery, without going through a bloody civil war.
3. Lets say he did. And? Consider these things (or don't):
She was previously engaged to another
She was fully aware and knows what she agreed to
For over 1200 nobody made an issue about their marriage until 1905, what where you guys doing in that time? Sleeping? Its obvious it wasn't an issue and thus was not paedophilia at all for 1200 years unless your ready to condemn your ancestors of paedophilia as well?
@@ahmadabdullateef3386 I didn't ask you what is the interpratetion of verses, what kind of god says that things?
1.The verse (4:34) does not contain your explanations and it is unclear what you make these explanations.
What kind of god wants believers and non-believers to fight for himself or for his command? Frankly, I would expect a god not to care for him or her to be believed.
You send orders to a society and society does not want to give up their beliefs, then you bring these people across and send war orders! If there is such a thing happen today, what is said to the man who says these orders? What is the place of war (beheading, cut the 5:22 hands and feet on alternate sides cut off...) based on belief in orders that send messages to humanity? Will we act with these rules accordingly in 2100?
2. Many options are offered instead of releasing! As I said, it directly prohibits pork but contradictively, an order from God does not prohibit slavery.
3. Are you a psychopath? We live in 2020, you say where was your mind until 1905! What you say is really pathetic arguments. If our ancestors are cannibals, should we be like that right now? If we look at what you say, we must live in this century according to the rules of the seventh century!
Good Debate
Amin
a mindblowing wonderful session. thanks to both speaker
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I am tired of his answering questions by attacking the woman’s statement. I am still waiting to learn his position.
His position is to defend the world domination of Islam without saying Islams goal is to dominate the world.
And he is a professional liar. Islam started with one guy and a delusion in a cave, now they have 50 countries. Now they are filling Europe and north America, the goal is obvious to continue the take over of the world.
@@brianjones8006 Don't take my word but try and understand this world is an exam for equality and for unity.
Letter to the Reverend Ensor Walters (1933), as quoted in Bernard Shaw : Collected Letters, 1926-1950 (1988) by Dan H. Laurence, p. 305
” I have always held the religion of Mohammed in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality.
It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capability to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age.
The world must doubtless attach high value to the predictions of great men like me.
I have prophesied about the faith of Mohammed that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.
The medieval ecclesiastics, either through ignorance or bigotry, painted Mohammedanism in the darkest colors.
They were in fact trained both to hate the man Mohammed and his religion.
To them Mohammed was Anti-Christ. I have studied him - the wonderful man, and in my opinion far from being an Anti-Christ he must be called the Savior of Humanity.
I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much-needed peace and happiness.
But to proceed, it was in the 19th century that honest thinkers like Carlyle, Goethe and Gibbon perceived intrinsic worth in the religion of Mohammed, and thus there were some change for the better in the European attitude towards Islam.
But the Europe of the present century is far advanced.
It is beginning to be enamored of the creed of Mohammed.
I believe that if today an autocrat of Mohammed’s caliber assumes world leadership, he could solve all problems of humanity splendidly.
The world will become an abode of peace and happiness.
I predict that tomorrow’s Europe will embrace Islam.”
(End of Sir Bernard Shaw’s letter)
@@Musta8787 Like all religions they start with one man and what he thinks and or believes. He then convinces others to believe in what he believes and or made up, then it grows. So where is the reality in this system of belief and convincing others in a belief ? Religion was a way to explain our existence and that has become obvious for a long time to those of us that can think independently. As many cultures have created their own religion that helps them understand their existence this is evidenced by examining each religion and how it correlates to the culture that developed it. Mohammad created his to suit him and his wants. In reality like all religions they are not backed with tangible facts. Only belief what someone else said, this is not factual its made up stories full of fantasy. Islam was started by a mentally deranged violent murderer that was smart enough to start his own religion that benefited him. Now Islam runs 50 countries and its goal is to own the earth. What ever or who ever gets in its way will be destroyed and you think that is OK ? that only makes you as sick as Mohammad. The sickness that is Islam will be fully revealed to the world soon and it will be crushed never to rise again. This will happen or Islam will rule the world, but first you will have to kill billions of well armed people, good luck. The real sick thing is you will try.
@@brianjones8006 I think you never even studied about the religion of Islam, all you have is a subjective emotional view about God in general. Islam came from the first human being, named Adam. Muslim literally means submission to God. Muhammad PBUH came to correct all the previous misunderstanding and misinterpretation of others trying to dictate the word of God according to their own political agenda before him ie Jesus Moses Abraham. Let's say for your sake Quran is false, Muhammad PBUH was deranged and God is just imaginary. What is your foundation of morality? What is your foundation of reason? If all those are just a part and partial of survival of the fittest then we all have no meaning in life and life after death is only wishful thinking, meaning we just live to survive? Kill to survive? Rob to survive? What is your morality stance on life? What do you base your logic? Books of speculations like Darwinism? Do you really think we all evolved from a lesser being? Do you deep down actually believe that? We all have this innate ability to think there is a creator or designer for everything on earth, phones, cars, machines, so when it comes to nature you spin it around according to your dismissal of the same line of reasoning? You question God? The creator of everything? We all don't live selfishly according to our whims and pleasures. We live to help others as well, that's why we all pay for the hospitals, emergency agencies and less fortunate. We are not the final product of evolution or even this earth isn't the final destination. There's a whole lot we need to discover but we yet only know 00.001% of the universe. Even one of our cells in our bodies have many information than you and I could ever think of. Then why do you dismiss the design? Why do you reject God for your own illogical view of life?
I want to see this type of debate in a islamic majority country.
This Lady was on point! God bless you Amen!!😁👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
She doesn't care, she is an atheist.