everybody needs to check out the jazz messengers album FREE FOR ALL. wayne blows EVERYONE off the bandstand, even his boss. one of the greatest saxophone performances ever.
Great!! Shorter is barely 20 y/o and he was a prodegy...plays like he is set on fire. I want more...I never saw his days with Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers. Thanks.
You can really hear the Coltrane influence in this solo. But later, he moved on to his own style, which was very identifiable!! And boy did he compose some great tunes!!!
Just saw Waynes Quartet at Lincoln Center last night: first row, no shit. I'd seen his band in February in NY, and I wanted up close. Fortunately, I got to. The man is pure soul in the form of music, a national treasure.
The additional horn of Curtis Fuller gave Shorter more compositional possibilities, as seen here he could create more complex arrangement contrasts in texture
shorter has a very coltrane-like sound here, he has a similar tone and phrases like him, he makes it his own, but you can see the influence. one of the best
Gosh I love Wayne Shorter, he is perhaps one of the most underrated improvisationists, probably because Miles/Herbie was the man in Weather Report. Wayne Shorter is even better at composing. Juju and Speak No Evil are classics. Hard Bop is an artform, So refreshing to hear it.
Yeah, wayne is not only a brilliant composer but one of the greatest improvisers (as opposed to just playing his top licks over the changes) I've ever heard - I'm surprised that some people commenting still don't seem to get it! Anyway, agree with you about jazz!
I agree! This shit is TIGHT! Wayne Shorter is one of the greatest jazz composers alive today. He is really young here too.....hey I bet he is barely20 y/o---no kidding. Think about it. In the early 1960's, people were watching Leave It To Beaver and Guilligan's Island and this music was NOT mainstream. It still isn't and way advanced by today's standards of the taste of the popular American Culture. I am working to keep Jazz as an ARTFORM now ....join me whereever you are!!
I heard the live version of afro blue on my local broke 3rd world station, KPOO, here in the bay area...man, coltrane live is the best for me...WHen Weather Report's first album came out, I was 20 years old and in the army, and I was Ready for it, having wiped out my copies of bitches brew and Live Evil...yeah, I didn't own a single Shorter album at the time...anyway, that fist Weather Report album came out, and simply told me I was exactly where I should be.
Anybody have any theories on why the Messengers play this tune a half step down from where Shorter wrote it? On the video of Shorter playing this tune in Italy in 1995, the band is in the higher key...
It might just be that one of the recordings is sped up or slowed down. I learned a solo from a live Miles recording that they played Walkin' in F# even though he usually played it in F. Sometimes the tapes get messed up and it ends up being pitched differently.
This is my favoorite period of his playing, yes check Free For All, also check out the Indestructible LP too with Blakey this guy is the tops. I think his playing is as good as his composing. Lee Morgan to my ears really beat him up for awhile in this group and really pushed him to be as great as he was by this point in 63. Though even Introducing Wayne Shorter, his first LP is really classic
@LTdrumma It was once said, by one of the messengers that (I'm paraphasing" "Playing with Art behind you, pushing you, was like being 2 steps in front of a steam roller, if you felt you couldn't keep up, you'd better end your solo or get ran over". ..the mighty, mighty, Art Blakey damn knew how to do his thing.
Definitely listen to any recordings of Coltrane playing soprano. My Favorite Things, for one. I don't think either of them were really emulating any particular kind of Asian music, but rather exploring different kinds of sounds on the saxophone. Pharoah Sanders was big into that shit, too.
Wayne introduced the piece on the Blakey album "Mosaics" (1960). His solo on the record is MUCH better than this one. It has perfect form for example, and really tells a story, which this one certainly does not. If you like this one, please listen to the record version!
I know what you mean, other than Crescent and A Love Supreme and the fact that Eric is still here. (I'd say 1964) Considering Wayne though, maybe some Miles Davis Quintet?
Basically, that must be right, but I'm still curious whose idea it was. To give you a similar example, Duke Ellington copyrighted the "East St. Louis Toodle-Oo" in one key, but by the time the band was recording it, they had moved it into a key that lay better for the horn solos. I don't think that applies here, so why the different key? It was probably Shorter's idea, or at least he agreed to it, being the song's composer...
Actually that display of 'chops' was not uncommon for Wayne in the Messengers...check out the album "Free for All" if you want more...if you have not already heard it... Writers have described his style during the Messengers as "whip-saw"...Blakey called it "scrambled eggs" but you're probably already aware of that....
your not crazy. i read that they hung out a lot and Wayne himself said John me this parents. Saint John had a huge influence on Wayne, IT AINT HARD TO TELL.....
ok, accept your saying fusion is a chopfest, i disagree, there is a lot of fusion that is but that can certianly be said for straighter jazz, bebop, hardbop and whatnot. And Wayne along with Zawinul just happened to play in THE jazz fusion band know as Weather Report. In my opinion thats where the majority of his and Zawinuls great writing imagination, melodic ingenuity and feeling happened ( to use your words).
I've got the feeling that the people who complain about Wayne's soloing (the way he sounds now) seem to expect every solo to just rip and only like players with lots of chops,etc... May I recommend to all of you then to check out fusion and leave Jazz for those of us who listen for imagination, melodic ingenuity and feeling. Not wanting to be a smartarse. Just sick of all the childish comments.
I just think you can over analyze, "saliva85". Some people leave long, involved comments on our videos. I prefer it when they just say something like, "You guys are great!" and be done with it.
He plays good, but his composing is incredible. I would have to agree that his playing isn't as good as his composing. Even though he is playing really good here!
Read, schmead, its always the same. To me, the guys on these old black and white clips never sound as good as my own band's videos. Hey "stinkinanddrinkin", I guess I just need a more MODERN sound.
Too bad you missed the "point"...you should perhaps do a little more research before you apread your negativity.... But, getting back "on point": actually, you ARE correct - you didn't "get it"....... Hopefully, you'll read the comments more carefully.......
🎷🎷Mr. Wayne Shorter🎷🎷
🏝🏝 Rest In Paradise 🏝🏝
A true legend. Was probably the greatest saxophone alive today. It hurts to see jazz legends pass, there's not many left.
Awesome….simply awesome
One of the last true legends of Jazz still here for our appreciation.
I love how Blakey's ride stand slides down and the trombonist comes to the rescue! Been there!
What magnificent musicians. Freddie and Wayne. Pure SOUL.
everybody needs to check out the jazz messengers album FREE FOR ALL. wayne blows EVERYONE off the bandstand, even his boss. one of the greatest saxophone performances ever.
Great!! Shorter is barely 20 y/o and he was a prodegy...plays like he is set on fire.
I want more...I never saw his days with Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers. Thanks.
This is truly an amazing piece of music...amazing Wayne Shorter...
You can really hear the Coltrane influence in this solo. But later, he moved on to his own style, which was very identifiable!! And boy did he compose some great tunes!!!
Sweet, thanks for posting. One of my favourite tunes that Shorter composed for the Jazz Messengers.
Me too !!!
Classic Shorter!!! Freaking Awesome.
this song is amazing, its a damn shame there arent many groups like this nowadays. jazz in my opinion is one of the greatest forms of music.
Wonderful... Thank you for sharing.
That's beautiful!
Just saw Waynes Quartet at Lincoln Center last night: first row, no shit. I'd seen his band in February in NY, and I wanted up close. Fortunately, I got to. The man is pure soul in the form of music, a national treasure.
The additional horn of Curtis Fuller gave Shorter more compositional possibilities, as seen here he could create more complex arrangement contrasts in texture
& it all goes back to this. Don't listen to the music, hear the music.
shorter has a very coltrane-like sound here, he has a similar tone and phrases like him, he makes it his own, but you can see the influence. one of the best
Gosh I love Wayne Shorter, he is perhaps one of the most underrated improvisationists, probably because Miles/Herbie was the man in Weather Report. Wayne Shorter is even better at composing. Juju and Speak No Evil are classics. Hard Bop is an artform, So refreshing to hear it.
Yeah, wayne is not only a brilliant composer but one of the greatest improvisers (as opposed to just playing his top licks over the changes) I've ever heard - I'm surprised that some people commenting still don't seem to get it! Anyway, agree with you about jazz!
oh snap, @ 3:00 Blakey's ride gives in to his unstoppable time! BTW Shorter is god
3 dislikes? How can anyone possibly not love this?
This IS where Wayne wrote it, it was only later when he rearranged it on Highlife that he moved it up a half step.
good times! magnificent ...
Oh yeah of course the Quintet is the start of now . I was just so blown away by this solo . But man the early 60s is something else !
Wayne!!!!!!!!!! man it's so hard to get past 1963 know what I mean?
shorter is my hero.... and I'm not even a saxophonist, I'm a drummer
WOW !!!!
I agree! This shit is TIGHT! Wayne Shorter is one of the greatest jazz composers alive today. He is really young here too.....hey I bet he is barely20 y/o---no kidding. Think about it. In the early 1960's, people were watching Leave It To Beaver and Guilligan's Island and this music was NOT mainstream. It still isn't and way advanced by today's standards of the taste of the popular American Culture. I am working to keep Jazz as an ARTFORM now ....join me whereever you are!!
That, Is so Fine.
I heard the live version of afro blue on my local broke 3rd world station, KPOO, here in the bay area...man, coltrane live is the best for me...WHen Weather Report's first album came out, I was 20 years old and in the army, and I was Ready for it, having wiped out my copies of bitches brew and Live Evil...yeah, I didn't own a single Shorter album at the time...anyway, that fist Weather Report album came out, and simply told me I was exactly where I should be.
😮🌱💙🌺
Yeah - see on 2:58 where Blakey's left cymbal topples over! He switches to the right one while Curtis Fuller sets it back up later!
wow art blakey just pounding out the beat
That's it, i'm naming my firstborn kid to: ART!
Blakey's ride symbol starts falling around minute 3:58. Like a true player, he takes it in stride! GREAT!
indescribable, but thrilling.
Is 78 today, 110825. So great.
Anybody have any theories on why the Messengers play this tune a half step down from where Shorter wrote it? On the video of Shorter playing this tune in Italy in 1995, the band is in the higher key...
sound inspiration. makes my teeth feel good.
wayne and trane, gets no better
It might just be that one of the recordings is sped up or slowed down. I learned a solo from a live Miles recording that they played Walkin' in F# even though he usually played it in F. Sometimes the tapes get messed up and it ends up being pitched differently.
yes...:)
i agree totally. they played together many times, but no recordings... great ear...
This is my favoorite period of his playing, yes check Free For All, also check out the Indestructible LP too with Blakey this guy is the tops. I think his playing is as good as his composing. Lee Morgan to my ears really beat him up for awhile in this group and really pushed him to be as great as he was by this point in 63. Though even Introducing Wayne Shorter, his first LP is really classic
@LTdrumma It was once said, by one of the messengers that (I'm paraphasing" "Playing with Art behind you, pushing you, was like being 2 steps in front of a steam roller, if you felt you couldn't keep up, you'd better end your solo or get ran over".
..the mighty, mighty, Art Blakey damn knew how to do his thing.
I like 2:58 most! He kills his ride....
Definitely listen to any recordings of Coltrane playing soprano. My Favorite Things, for one. I don't think either of them were really emulating any particular kind of Asian music, but rather exploring different kinds of sounds on the saxophone. Pharoah Sanders was big into that shit, too.
Good!!!!
Wayne introduced the piece on the Blakey album "Mosaics" (1960).
His solo on the record is MUCH better than this one.
It has perfect form for example, and really tells a story, which this one certainly does not.
If you like this one, please listen to the record version!
good god
blakey was a beast
I know what you mean, other than Crescent and A Love Supreme and the fact that Eric is still here. (I'd say 1964) Considering Wayne though, maybe some Miles Davis Quintet?
@anonymous0s0egion Hear-hear, & Amen!
@jamesedwardtheobald you should read his bio. him and trane used to practice violin conciertos together!
@Jazzdog40 uh...yeah it is.
Can you upload the whole recording?
yeah, where is the rest?
Basically, that must be right, but I'm still curious whose idea it was. To give you a similar example, Duke Ellington copyrighted the "East St. Louis Toodle-Oo" in one key, but by the time the band was recording it, they had moved it into a key that lay better for the horn solos. I don't think that applies here, so why the different key? It was probably Shorter's idea, or at least he agreed to it, being the song's composer...
Art Blakey could outswing any modern drummer playing a full size kit, with two pencils and a pot.
早くも独特､彼特有のソロが!～ｼﾞｬｽﾞ･ﾒｯｾﾝｼﾞｬｰｽﾞ在籍時のｳｪｲﾝ･ｼｮｰﾀｰの貴重映像～御大ﾌﾞﾚｲｷｰがきっちり煽ってる! #jazzm
Actually that display of 'chops' was not uncommon for Wayne in the Messengers...check out the album "Free for All" if you want more...if you have not already heard it...
Writers have described his style during the Messengers as "whip-saw"...Blakey
called it "scrambled eggs" but you're probably already aware of that....
Backing Track of the jazz standard Footprints to practice your solos:
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shit is tight
your not crazy. i read that they hung out a lot and Wayne himself said John me this parents. Saint John had a huge influence on Wayne, IT AINT HARD TO TELL.....
He worshipped Trane and was pretty much a Trane clone. He started to separate himself by writing amazing songs.
GIANTSTEP
i would like to study the progressions of his sole, kinda sounds like Giant Steps
damn dah cymbal be fallin off man why u gotta play so hard art
thats true. but if you look at the chord changes he writes, thats more of what i was talking about. but ya i know what your saying
ok, accept your saying fusion is a chopfest, i disagree, there is a lot of fusion that is but that can certianly be said for straighter jazz, bebop, hardbop and whatnot. And Wayne along with Zawinul just happened to play in THE jazz fusion band know as Weather Report. In my opinion thats where the majority of his and Zawinuls great writing imagination, melodic ingenuity and feeling happened ( to use your words).
You could make this point without being insulting as well..............man.
@AzWeThInKwEizZ Uh, 4/4? Just feel the beat. If it feels natural to say one-two-three-four, then it's probably in 4.
To me the phrasing sounds a lot like the solo in Giant Steps, 1960.
Freddie and Curtis is supposed to be doing steps behind Wayne solos...you know like the Pips...
solo
At this time Shorter seems somewhat reminiscent of John Coltrane. Or am I crazy?
I've got the feeling that the people who complain about Wayne's soloing (the way he sounds now) seem to expect every solo to just rip and only like players with lots of chops,etc... May I recommend to all of you then to check out fusion and leave Jazz for those of us who listen for imagination, melodic ingenuity and feeling. Not wanting to be a smartarse. Just sick of all the childish comments.
I just think you can over analyze, "saliva85". Some people leave long, involved comments on our videos. I prefer it when they just say something like, "You guys are great!" and be done with it.
He rushes too.
people that cant undestand the jazz ritmo, is diferent of other music, is harder for listen
He knocked his ride cymabal over.. Did ya' see that?
Hey "saliva85" I don't get all your talk about chain saws and scrambled eggs. It's about the music, man. Let's stay on point.
Who likes muse?
He plays good, but his composing is incredible. I would have to agree that his playing isn't as good as his composing. Even though he is playing really good here!
That's not Freddie Hubbard!
Read, schmead, its always the same. To me, the guys on these old black and white clips never sound as good as my own band's videos. Hey "stinkinanddrinkin", I guess I just need a more MODERN sound.
Too bad you missed the "point"...you should perhaps do a little more research
before you apread your negativity....
But, getting back "on point": actually,
you ARE correct - you didn't "get it".......
Hopefully, you'll read the comments more carefully.......
you have to have no taste or musical ability
you wouldnt get to where these guys were if you studied music for the rest of your life