Here's part 8 at last! Sorry for the delay this time... I had to redo some parts because of copyright, but it worked out in the end! Also CORRECTION bbmas was not the last time she sang the emotions intro cause she also did it in Vegas 2020… don’t know how I forgot that existed sorryyy
@@raschiddeeon4510 same, i went through alot of stuff in 2019 (the stuff happened later next year didn't help lol) and i just listened to the Caution album on repeat.
this was both the happiest and saddest era as a lamb. she was treating us left and right, it was the first time I think she took to heart everything lambs were saying during the mid 2010s and it felt like she was doing everything she could for us. she started writing the book, started performing very highly requested fan favorites she hadn't performed in decades (or ever) and was such a delight to watch on stage. she was so intentional with the way she used her voice and it seemed like she was really trying to deliver, which was so nice to see in contrast with the carelessness that we saw in 2016-2017 (her voice was in much better shape back then but it seemed like she didn't care about using it correctly so a lot of her attempts were straight up yelling notes out). sadly her voice was shot and so incredibly unreliable, usually her voice got better as her tour went on (true for the residencies and all the tours pre caution) but with caution and the 2020 butterfly returns leg, her voice started out great and then became tired by the third show.
It's so sad that her most spirited and optimistic eras post-prime almost always coincide with some of her worst vocal conditions, like Rainbow, Caution, even 2022...
17:00 the moment she accepts her voice as how it is and starts adapting her songs (and making new music) into her new tessitura, she will be unstoppable tbh
Fully agreed. Best way forward for her would be to lower all her songs, strip them down and change the arrangements, and experiment with what she has now. It would be creative and fun for her. But it would also be a very public acknowledgement that she can't do what she once did, which seems to be very difficult for her, even though she can do all kinds of amazing things NOW. Aretha and Whitney adjusted their songs to their changed voices and nothing got lost in the process.
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@@CalebTizon Aretha and Whitney's voices were in much better shape. Whitney's vocals on her last tour eat up Mariah from 2019 onwards. We know that it would be cool to hear Mariah adapt but she's not that kind of a person. If she were, she would have done it long time ago. Remember that she's claimed to warming up by humming to the radio. She needs vocal coaching big time and she's actually been in a need of one for a decade. That would have stopped her technical flaws and helped her to regain some of her range. Lara Fabian and Celine know something about it.
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The fact that by the end of 2020 she was accepting that her voice might never fully recover is definitely an interesting possibility. Now it wasn’t overuse but her actual technique that was the issue. I really wish that she took the opportunity to actually rehabilitate her voice- but I feel like at that point she kind of accepted her fate as a “studio singer” for lack of better word. Recording for her Christmas special in 2020 is probably what sealed the deal. She was excited to push her voice (re-recording all of those difficult songs is pretty crazy) but those mid-upper belts sounded borderline painful. This vocal damage is probably what led to another stage of “maturing” in her chords. Also the use of autotune was minimal on Caution- but by 2021 WBT remix it was off the charts. Her insecurities about her voice definitely bloomed in 2020
@@issamoodissavibe Yes, her vocals on there were very impressive! But it still wasn't on par with her voice at its best, so I could see how she could have felt disappointed with the level of improvement after nearly a year of vocal rest. Personally though, I was super impressed and grateful that she redid all those songs, and largely stayed in her comfortable range. I hadn't been that excited since....maybe some of her 2016 SSFT vocals?
Oh girl please do 2 more videos. If you only do 1, the amount of videos from this series will be an uneven number, and I think we can all agree, even numbers are better! 🤪
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Honestly I would love if Mariah just changed the arrangements for her songs instead of just lipping to a track, which I know is harder but more rewarding imo
I agree, it would be hard cause a lot of her audience rn in places like Vegas don't really know or care if she's lipping, and they're mostly just there to see her and hear the music. But I think as long as she keeps creating and promoting new music, new eras there's a possibility of that happening one day
@@VMariah Yeah her preference for lipping is interesting considering so many artists use live autotune. But then again when belting range is the issue, autotune won’t really help. I still feel like she needs to take a step back and think about the journey of her voice- the abuse it’s been through and why it’s changed. I literally feel like she avoids vocal training because of 2 reasons: the first being her trauma with Tommy, and the second being that it reminds her about how much worse her voice has gotten and all the baggage that comes with people doubting her live singing skills. Figuring out why she doesn’t like to lower keys is difficult, but perhaps lowering keys reminds her of declining voice (and maybe Whitney idk).
@@VMariah wow I am really just ranting today. I just wanted to add that like her raising the key to vol felt like “I still can do that” (in the studio) almost as a way to prove to herself why her voice hasn’t declined that much or changed that much
@@outsideskippy1997 yeah and I think she didn't feel satisfied with the idea of fully lipping VOL in -2 key, so she wanted to arrange it to be so difficult and impossible that it somehow better justifies her lipping, if that makes sense
@@VMariah that’s interesting considering a lot of the other songs are easier😭. Cause like I guess for hero she’s too used to the -1 key and it’s been that way forever, so it doesn’t make sense to raise it. I guess she likes forcing herself to lip 💀
i love seeing these videos pop up on my screen. i stop whatever it is im doing, grab a snack, and fully luxuriate in its educational and technical amazingness!
Honestly I was kinda hesitant to watch this series because yk…the topic hehe…but it turned out to be so good and done from a respectful perspective, not as a complaint but as analysis, so…keep it up! Can’t wait for the next episode!
Was expecting a review of that show as well, that was like one of her longest televised performances ever and for the most part there were a lot of live attempts
I have to say, I love how you handled this topic throughout this series. You discussed everything in a classy manner and taking into account as to why Mariah uses playback for both professional and personal reasons. Other channels would've done it very poorly, simply pointing out HOW MUCH she lips but no explaining WHY she does so.
I’ll truly never understand what shifted, vocally, from 2017-2018. It’s basically a completely different voice and singing seemed to be way more taxing for her from 2018 onwards.
I remember thinking 2018 was better than 2017 at the time, maybe because the tone was better and she had more energy. But the belting definitely suffered. Her belting in VOL 2017 was on FIRE every night, but then she struggled to hold and resonate those Bb4s from 2018 on. I know she allegedly had a gastric bypass surgery during that time, so maybe that affected things. But the biggest drop was 2020 to 2022 to me. The clips of her singing at home were amazing, she was saying her voice was in great shape...then she hit the stage in 2022 and had about half of what she had in 2019. It's so strange, and makes me wonder if all the time off made things worse somehow. Like she completely forgot her technique after not being on stage for almost 3 years. Idk, I'll never stop being fascinated by her temperamental voice and her odd ways of handling the situation.
I imagine it could have been due to the supposed bariatric surgery, because it affects the diaphragm muscles, making them weaker. But 2020 onwards, in addition to not doing vocal exercises and warm ups, she wasn't performing, so her voice wasn't being trained in any way.
There were great live performances Emotions, VOL, MIH, Love Hangover, Glitter Medley in Nov 2019 Vegas, and especially Feb 2020 Vegas (I was there) as well. Her voice was amazing and confidence was up before the Quarantine era.
I couldn't get home from work fast enough to watch this 😩. We've waited 10 LONG DAYS and it's finally here. I know you had some personal things going on but thank you soooo much for your time and dedication to these segments, YOU ARE GREATLY APPRECIATED ❤. I wonder if mariah sees these and what are her regards to it? For me, I think she probably be like ......WELL DARLING, ONLY TRUE LAMBS WILL ANALYZE MY WORK AND TECHNIQUES AND IM AMAZED BY IT, BUT EVERYTHING IS NOT FOR EVERYONE SO ILL KEEP YOU ALL GUESSING CAUSE IM NEVER TELLING 😂😂😂😂
I wish it was different, but since the quarantine era the only thing I hear when she sing is the mechanical computer generated autotuneish "quality" of her voice, but every other singer sounds like that nowadays so...
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One of the things I noticed most about this era of Mariah is the sound of her Whistles, which became more "head voice". The heavier sound in the high notes is what always gets me. And she keeps it up until today.
I love how you point out that it seems a song isn't "complete" to Mariah unless part is lipped. Like doing Endless Love all live but lipping like 3 words at the very end. It's just bizarre - I'm so curious as to the mindset where she thinks lipping in a song is not only a good thing, but a NECESSARY thing every time. I'll never understand it.
she probably feels some sense of safety from it? idk its like relying on her live voice for a whole song just feels too scary, so lipping helps quell those fears, even if it is illogical.
Yeah I totally forgot about that at some point while making the video ngl😅 I was mainly checking to see if there were any unknown 2019 performances but I forgot 2020
imo the biggest problem why Mariah needs to lip is her consistency. One day she can sing her best and the next day it's the worst. Since people only remember bad days, it's smart to lip to avoid mistakes.
@@danmarco3989 her not getting coached is what restricts her. She's had nodules her entire career, for example in 2000 as well as in 2003. Her approach during Charmbracelet was definitelly guided by someone cause she wasn't brightening her voice and you can her her singing with lowered larynx on many occasions. So yeah, the comment above yours is 100% valid. If it's everyday it's not an axception but a routine, a neccessary one.
@@SPexHoS2137 yeah I've gone back and forth about whether she had a vocal coach for Charmbracelet. I feel like if she did have a coach it would've been a faster more drastic shift- and things like vibrato and stuff would be more present. Her technical intuition was pretty good for belting until like 2006- for charm she was running on muscle memory. I feel like unfortunately Charm tour is one of the main reasons that Mariah believes she can take care of her voice by herself- by resting, sleeping, but only minimal warm ups.
11:23 All the pre-recorded tracks she's done in 2022 - 2023 for her to only use once also support this (me in my science teacher era). The eb5 in Oh Santa in 2022, the Emotions whistle in 2022 and La Pride 2023, the AIWFCIY intro in 2022, etc
On another note, as you mentioned, 2020-2021 was the year that mariah learned that resting wasn't going to do anything. I never understood why she hasn't take any source of vocal therapy or rehabilitation
I feel Mariah knows what to do cause she seems to be able to get her voice together whenever she really really needs two (cbwt, Beacon, 2023) but she just doesn't follow that strictly most of the time.
@@VMariahsuch an interesting point but I wonder what this routine or regime is? Do you think she cuts out all bad lifestyle things or do you think she warms up her voice before every show? Omg I want to know the real story so bad
@@michaelcolman5285 I think cutting off lifestyle things especially drinking and sleeping well are definitely part of it. But only Mariah knows the rest I'm afraid😩
@@VMariah I just wish she would put her pride aside and pay too dollar to get vocal rehab & coaching. I feel like she could get back so much confidence & dexterity If she worked with a coach. I wonder if it’s denial or if she doesn’t care. Must be disappointing to not be able to sing like you used too, not talking about 90s Mimi, but even 2012-14 era I mean like that’s not unrealistic to get back to that level of ability? I dunno
@@VMariah I don't think she knows what she's doing cause most of 2023 she held the mic at two arms lenght. Mariah getting her ish together will evince itself once she sings a song live again. Check Lara Fabian and how she discusses the voice in general. That woman knows what she's talking about.
I got feeling all of those Quarantine vocals were definitely done in multiple takes, edited to sound more professional in terms of quality. I doubt any of those were dubbed in a way but its still the same thing technically but still 100% live
That's something some late night shows and other télévised/DVD recordings do. Have a couple takes to decide the best take to use as the base. Then, if they think a line from a different take is better, they dub it over their base take.
Joy to The World and Hero vocals from December have the same robotic quality that her new rerecordings. They were carefully crafted and don't even get me started on WBT Valentine's mix cause that is some next level MIAM shit.
@@onedollarbleach6891 you can actually sing MIAM songs. Valentine mix is literally a mix of chopped words put together for the sake of variety of textures. It's a tired sister of Heavenly though
Its insane how youre able to put everything im thinking from every live video ive ever seen of her into actual words! 😍 ur so spot on with every single performance!! I cant wait for the next one!❤
you're right I should have mentioned that one. I think it's mostly the same deal as VOL, though I'm really on the fence as to whether that whistle is live
@@VMariahI'm almost certain it wasn't - it sounded so computerized, the way it just cut off so abruptly / unnaturally. She also hasn't sung that high live in a LONG time - she usually sticks to the E6-G#6 area nowadays.
i appreciate you pointing out the fact that when she _is_ actually singing live, she doesn't end up using auto-tune/live pitch correction. in an era where nearly everybody is, it's refreshing to hear the notes as they really are, even if her delivery on some notes ends up being flat or sharp. when we arrived at pandemic era, it pained me seeing her lip VOL for the first time ngl, and i hope someday we see her return to more live singing again - even if she has to re-arrange her songs and continue to lower keys. imo nothing beats her real, live, un-melodyned, unedited, vocal moments
Great, interesting series. I was hoping to see an analysis of "The Distance" performed on the Tonight Show. I had always thought it was live, but now I'm inclined to think it was fully lipped save for an ad lib at the very end.
Loved the commentary. Sincere and not biased at all. Keep making these contents. They're educational and informative even for some Lambs, esp. for delulu lambs.
Amazing series! I love Mariah so much that even her lip-syncing is a form of art for me. She gave us so much all over these years... she still has a great voice, don't forget she's 53 minutes already LOL and 34 of non-stop singing
I think it’s safe to say the more prominent social media became, the more she lipped. Before social media she’d still sing live on her worst day, but with everything making its way online now I don’t think she wants to trend in a bad way
I think 2021 would’ve also fit in this video, as the only thing she did that year was WBT valentines (the final form of the quarantine performances - where it was promoted like a live performance, but ended up being a music video for the new rerecorded version she would release on Spotify and all)
I didn't even realize that was supposed to be a live performance based on how the video looks😭 but I was looking at the wikipedia list of live performances later on when I realized it actually aired on tv and received the same promo treatment as the other ones
@@VMariah yes, I remember even being a bit disappointed by TTR/MIH 😭 cuz the past two performances of Hero and ABMB really did sound rawer. I wish she kept the same style
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Her quarantine and post-quarantine vocals have really diminished. Her whistle tone also became screechy and rough, although she seemed at ease here more than the high belts.
14:35 but it isn’t, tho! Someone made a comparison and it doesn’t only sound thinner in tone than the usual track, it also seems to be different. Maybe she used another track or she actually attempted on studio.
I feel that she started changing her technique during 2018 due to the backlash of her natural 2017 tone (Dark and heavy), so she tried to pull a daydream move and make her voice sound more girly and nasal, however this backfired since that only made her upper belt inconcistent, easily tired and pitch issues (similar issues daydreamriah had) It only got worse in 2020-2022 since her voice was basically overpitched. It wasn't until 2023 that (I think due to menopause) she had to accept her new heavier and dark sound
I've never heard this explanation before but it makes a lot of sense! I remember thinking some note changes in that era were also strangely reminiscent of Daydream. Maybe she was trying to move back toward that style
I don’t really follow news and stuff, but when she did get public backlash for her dark heavy tone? I feel like 2017 was about the body and being a diva, etc. Now on the other hand I could imagine that Mariah internalized some insecurities about her changing voice and aging and that led her to sing differently. But with how much her tone has changed over the years I honestly think she doesn’t really do a lot of intentional things with her voice. She discovered she liked a higher placement around 1994- probably in the studio and then kept going cause it felt good to her. Butterfly was unable to replicate it, so she just rolled with darker tones. But then again 2017-2018 does feel so drastic that it had to be something intentional? Like with unintentional changes it happens gradually idk. Sorry for this long rant
@@outsideskippy1997I'm not sure how public the backlash was, but most lambs were commenting that they were NOT digging her tone during that time. It was similar to 2015 - heavy, dark, and oddly unpleasant for some reason. I love darker rounder voices, but it was weird for Mariah to not sound "pretty" like she always has. The higher placement was surely intentional, just like how it was in 95/95 - that's also how she sings in the studio, never really using her natural tone, which indicates that's generally how she prefers to sound. So I'm not sure why she WASN'T doing that in 2015/2017 - maybe she was just trying something different and decided it didn't fit her idea of herself as a singer. Sorry for my rant as well. 😅
@@outsideskippy1997Mariah always liked a higher placement in the voice. Have you heard weakness of the body from her demo? Tommy made her sing lower, and Tommy forced her to see a vocal coach during their marriage, when she was trapped in the mansion better known as “sing sing”. I think Tommy realized if Mariah recorded her songs in higher placements of her voice it would eventually backfire which is why a lot of her earlier songs have a darker heavier tone, and Mariah didn’t like singing like that, she even said she prefers singing her songs in a higher key because they sound better even if she can’t replicate it on stage. Mariah smoked during the years leading up to her debut, so 90 91 and 92 her voice was recovering from smoking, and with cigarettes being so hard to quite, I’m sure she would sneak one here and there, but it wasn’t until she was living with Tommy with constant supervision that she quit smoking entirely in my opinion. That combined with a vocal coach is the clear polished sound we hear from 1993 to 1996. Mariah also says the state of her voice depends on how much sleep she gets and I remember seeing an interview from 1995 where she said she tries to get 12 hours of sleep the day before a performance. After her divorce, I wouldn’t doubt it if she started smoking again rarely, I kno she started partying and drinking more and was around people that were smoking. But she definitely always preferred singing outside of her natural range which is why her voice was so inconsistent, aside from the nodules. I’ll also point out that throughout the years, the more singing she did, the raspier her speaking voice was, her voice hasn’t been raspy for almost a decade, I don’t know if this is a good thing or a bad thing
@@devenstout I agree that she likes singing in a higher placement in general- like TEOM is much more nasal and high than most people think. But I'm not sure that Tommy intentionally wanted to have a darker sound- I think it was more about training her voice to be good with adult contemporary ballads. I also a agree that she had a vocal coach, but I believe she stopped by 1994. I never thhought about smoking- I mostly considered drinking to be her problem, but smoking is also interesting to consider.
Ok, so if i'm being fully honest i kinda feel some type of way about what you said about the quarantine performances. it felt like you're doubting her completely and think any good note is either lipped or dubbed. But if i'm being honest with myself, if i look objectively and take as step back, i can kinda see where you're coming from. doesn't mean i agree (i think the vol whistle is live) but it does mean i'm leaving the door open tot he possibility that you may be right about some of it. as far as the lipping of the last performance and even the speech...1 month ago i would have unsubscribed and cursed your name for even making the insinuation (lol), but it was just a few weeks ago when i realized she's lipping the spoken song introductions and speeches in Celebration of Mimi. I was floored. I literally couldnt believe it. I even compared multiple dates and she was 100% lip syncing the spoken speeches in Celebration of Mimi. So whether or not i agree with your assessment here is irrelevant because the real takeaway is plausibility and it's 100% plausible that she did lip the speech in the last quarantine performance. Excellent video once again.
Thank you for saying this and I 100% agree. Especially for those quarantine performances there's really no way of knowing what exactly is going on, it's just my inferences at the end of the day. And yeah I remember the 100% lipped mimi speech really took me by surprise too
@@VMariah Question, and this isn't criticism or anything but genuine curiosity...why did you include the acapella moments of her singing the mimi songs at home? do you think those were lipped?
@@Mariahs5thOctave oh no definitely not, I am almost sure they are a live recording! I just included it because there's not really any other footage to use when talking about 2020-2021 lol
I know this about lip syncing, but can you please comment on the use of the odd chipmunk style editing that has been used in Mariah's studio recordings the last decade? I know some of the 2020 "LIVE" performances heavily featured this.
@@coltonisalambthere was one performance when she performed it I think 2023 or early 2024. A private event It was the most overproduced track, I think that’s what they’re talking about.
im so impressed at your ability to tell when she's lipping. I mean sometimes it can be obvious :p but sometimes I'm just like do you have inside info??? Anyway I think this series is really great and a very healthy approach to the conversation on lip-syncing :)
Thank you! I wish I did have inside info lol. At the end of the day for some of the really tricky ones it's just a lot like a lot of microanalyzing, comparing, plus a little bit of guessing
@@jeremyechols6828the belt in that iheart radio performance is so good! I mean better than the other one we are talking about. I feel like the iheart one has so much power behind it! Soo good!
What about the late late show Christmas 2019 performances? The oh santa one and ctiitaa ones. The only thing im pretty sure is theyre not dubbed, but i cant tell if theyre live or lipped. It looks like the oh santa one is live but shes doing the finger in ear thing at the whistles so... The eb5s sound live too, but the faces shes doing makes it look like its easy on her compared to other performances. Maybe it was since theyre really short and theyre really raspy
Yeah that’s a tricky one. Christmas time Im pretty sure is just the usual arrangement (almost fully live except a couple of bridge notes). I feel like the Oh Santa Eb5s are lipped though? It seems like she did harmonize under the whistles though
wait you're right😭 I was originally thinking of the era (like CWT performances and Christmas 2019) but at some point I forgot 2020 existed and changed it💀
9:34 was actually live! she has always lipped "the Lawn!" part in that song during tour but it sounds more raspy and taxing here. i also thought it was lipped but im pretty confident that its live.
@@DaydreamCarey1234 cause 2024 is in its own league😍 but the real reason is I want to use the last video to review all 34 years in general, so it’s really going to be 2024 + 1990-2024
@@VMariahSinging MIH in the same key since 1992 is insane, cuz that is a HARD song. She even lowered it during the Music Box Tour and it sounded amazing.
I agree that it could still be draining if they're all lowered but in the same arrangement. However, I really think she could change all the arrangements in such a way where it wouldn't be too taxing. Cut some of the bridges, slow some stuff down, don't belt higher than C5, etc.
@@BLINGRIAH-RirixMimi Yes I would agree with that! That song is still pretty easy for her minus the bridge/key change stuff. So she could stick with that arrangement, or lower it so she can attempt some of the climax.
even when she sang live, it is obvious that is not a sustainable voice for live singing. She is raspy across all her belting range. She would be out of voice within a set.
When you've been abusing your voice for most of your career lacking technique and now have to carry on that image for the world to perpetuate that image
Here's part 8 at last! Sorry for the delay this time... I had to redo some parts because of copyright, but it worked out in the end!
Also CORRECTION bbmas was not the last time she sang the emotions intro cause she also did it in Vegas 2020… don’t know how I forgot that existed sorryyy
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i will always cherish Caution album/era, its what got me into the rest of her music and made me a fan
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Caution era definitely was iconic and was getting me through life during that time. I listen to that album every day before after and during work lbs
@@raschiddeeon4510 same, i went through alot of stuff in 2019 (the stuff happened later next year didn't help lol) and i just listened to the Caution album on repeat.
this was both the happiest and saddest era as a lamb. she was treating us left and right, it was the first time I think she took to heart everything lambs were saying during the mid 2010s and it felt like she was doing everything she could for us. she started writing the book, started performing very highly requested fan favorites she hadn't performed in decades (or ever) and was such a delight to watch on stage. she was so intentional with the way she used her voice and it seemed like she was really trying to deliver, which was so nice to see in contrast with the carelessness that we saw in 2016-2017 (her voice was in much better shape back then but it seemed like she didn't care about using it correctly so a lot of her attempts were straight up yelling notes out). sadly her voice was shot and so incredibly unreliable, usually her voice got better as her tour went on (true for the residencies and all the tours pre caution) but with caution and the 2020 butterfly returns leg, her voice started out great and then became tired by the third show.
It's so sad that her most spirited and optimistic eras post-prime almost always coincide with some of her worst vocal conditions, like Rainbow, Caution, even 2022...
@@VMariah wow I never thought about it like that
@@VMariah Emancipation too sadly.
@@PatchesNjosenow ntm
17:00 the moment she accepts her voice as how it is and starts adapting her songs (and making new music) into her new tessitura, she will be unstoppable tbh
Fully agreed. Best way forward for her would be to lower all her songs, strip them down and change the arrangements, and experiment with what she has now. It would be creative and fun for her. But it would also be a very public acknowledgement that she can't do what she once did, which seems to be very difficult for her, even though she can do all kinds of amazing things NOW. Aretha and Whitney adjusted their songs to their changed voices and nothing got lost in the process.
Also the edge sound on the voice is very notable
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@@CalebTizon Aretha and Whitney's voices were in much better shape. Whitney's vocals on her last tour eat up Mariah from 2019 onwards. We know that it would be cool to hear Mariah adapt but she's not that kind of a person. If she were, she would have done it long time ago. Remember that she's claimed to warming up by humming to the radio. She needs vocal coaching big time and she's actually been in a need of one for a decade. That would have stopped her technical flaws and helped her to regain some of her range. Lara Fabian and Celine know something about it.
@@SPexHoS2137Whitney couldnt sing in her last tours 😅
That IWALY was atrocious
Starting with “having finally gotten rid of Stella” off the bat. This is gonna be good. 🤗
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16:00 this is giving 2014’s lipped speech lmaooo
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The fact that by the end of 2020 she was accepting that her voice might never fully recover is definitely an interesting possibility. Now it wasn’t overuse but her actual technique that was the issue. I really wish that she took the opportunity to actually rehabilitate her voice- but I feel like at that point she kind of accepted her fate as a “studio singer” for lack of better word. Recording for her Christmas special in 2020 is probably what sealed the deal. She was excited to push her voice (re-recording all of those difficult songs is pretty crazy) but those mid-upper belts sounded borderline painful. This vocal damage is probably what led to another stage of “maturing” in her chords. Also the use of autotune was minimal on Caution- but by 2021 WBT remix it was off the charts. Her insecurities about her voice definitely bloomed in 2020
fortunately the recent studio vocals (rainbow, portrait remix, made for me) have a lot more natural vocals which gives me hope for mc16
@@andreibenedictmendiola1553Agreed, she is sounding beautiful in-studio as of recently. Her tone in Made for Me is delicious.
But her vocals in the 2020 special are... great? At least compared to caution. They were thin but not caution thin
@@issamoodissavibe Yes, her vocals on there were very impressive! But it still wasn't on par with her voice at its best, so I could see how she could have felt disappointed with the level of improvement after nearly a year of vocal rest. Personally though, I was super impressed and grateful that she redid all those songs, and largely stayed in her comfortable range. I hadn't been that excited since....maybe some of her 2016 SSFT vocals?
Oh girl please do 2 more videos. If you only do 1, the amount of videos from this series will be an uneven number, and I think we can all agree, even numbers are better! 🤪
ok I will😭 there will definitely be enough to talk about for 2 videos
🔥PORTRAIT REMIX🎼💛GOLDEN MARIAH💯🍸 SPLASH ON THAT 💝
THE MOMENT YOU PEOPLE ACCEPT THE INCREDIBILITY OF THE🎤🎧🎵 5 'OCTAVES' 'GOLDEN MARIAH' IS UNSTOPPABLE, EXTRAORDINAIRE. RECOGNIZE HOW SHE CHERISHES, APPRECIATES HER BLESSINGS, AND SHARES WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH LOVE TO HER FANS💗💯
I can't wait for post quarantine to 2024 omg haha the scandalo!
9:18 idk i love this performance tho, raw and creative. even though her vocals werent there much. i still appreciate it. like yk what i mean.
yeah and I like the simpler arrangement of the songs she chose, not like Idol 2013 where it was basically all the climaxes mashed up together
Honestly I would love if Mariah just changed the arrangements for her songs instead of just lipping to a track, which I know is harder but more rewarding imo
I agree, it would be hard cause a lot of her audience rn in places like Vegas don't really know or care if she's lipping, and they're mostly just there to see her and hear the music. But I think as long as she keeps creating and promoting new music, new eras there's a possibility of that happening one day
@@VMariah Yeah her preference for lipping is interesting considering so many artists use live autotune. But then again when belting range is the issue, autotune won’t really help. I still feel like she needs to take a step back and think about the journey of her voice- the abuse it’s been through and why it’s changed. I literally feel like she avoids vocal training because of 2 reasons: the first being her trauma with Tommy, and the second being that it reminds her about how much worse her voice has gotten and all the baggage that comes with people doubting her live singing skills. Figuring out why she doesn’t like to lower keys is difficult, but perhaps lowering keys reminds her of declining voice (and maybe Whitney idk).
@@VMariah wow I am really just ranting today. I just wanted to add that like her raising the key to vol felt like “I still can do that” (in the studio) almost as a way to prove to herself why her voice hasn’t declined that much or changed that much
@@outsideskippy1997 yeah and I think she didn't feel satisfied with the idea of fully lipping VOL in -2 key, so she wanted to arrange it to be so difficult and impossible that it somehow better justifies her lipping, if that makes sense
@@VMariah that’s interesting considering a lot of the other songs are easier😭. Cause like I guess for hero she’s too used to the -1 key and it’s been that way forever, so it doesn’t make sense to raise it. I guess she likes forcing herself to lip 💀
Omg were getting to 2024 so quick and my heart’s racing so fast omg
I didn't expect that there's some dubbed part on her quarantine era😭
"UNSELFISHLY"....... 'GOLDEN MARIAH' PERFORMED. GIFTING US WITH SOME SONGS
ON LINE, FROM STUDIO AT HOME
DURING QUARANTINE
i love seeing these videos pop up on my screen. i stop whatever it is im doing, grab a snack, and fully luxuriate in its educational and technical amazingness!
omg thank you so much! I'm glad you like it.
also please tell me you're coming back live in Vegas this month, we're hungry for D5s😭
2022 - 2023 and 2023 - 2024 as soon as possible dahlinnnn🙏👏
Honestly I was kinda hesitant to watch this series because yk…the topic hehe…but it turned out to be so good and done from a respectful perspective, not as a complaint but as analysis, so…keep it up! Can’t wait for the next episode!
She did the Emotions intro at iHeartRadio, which was a great (and quite live) show!
Was expecting a review of that show as well, that was like one of her longest televised performances ever and for the most part there were a lot of live attempts
I have to say, I love how you handled this topic throughout this series. You discussed everything in a classy manner and taking into account as to why Mariah uses playback for both professional and personal reasons. Other channels would've done it very poorly, simply pointing out HOW MUCH she lips but no explaining WHY she does so.
Still most of the BMA performance was live. Now that was such a confident step to make and she didn't sound that bad either
Yes! For such a prominent award show it might actually be the most live since Grammys 2006
@@VMariah Fly like a bird Idol Got Back 2008, how live was it?
@@Supcharged I think that had the same formula as the 2006 tour performances, so basically Grammys 2006 minus the first chorus
I’ll truly never understand what shifted, vocally, from 2017-2018. It’s basically a completely different voice and singing seemed to be way more taxing for her from 2018 onwards.
Right, watching Infinity tour, her attempting prime vocals left and right, and then bam she can't belt higher than B4
I remember thinking 2018 was better than 2017 at the time, maybe because the tone was better and she had more energy. But the belting definitely suffered. Her belting in VOL 2017 was on FIRE every night, but then she struggled to hold and resonate those Bb4s from 2018 on. I know she allegedly had a gastric bypass surgery during that time, so maybe that affected things. But the biggest drop was 2020 to 2022 to me. The clips of her singing at home were amazing, she was saying her voice was in great shape...then she hit the stage in 2022 and had about half of what she had in 2019. It's so strange, and makes me wonder if all the time off made things worse somehow. Like she completely forgot her technique after not being on stage for almost 3 years. Idk, I'll never stop being fascinated by her temperamental voice and her odd ways of handling the situation.
I imagine it could have been due to the supposed bariatric surgery, because it affects the diaphragm muscles, making them weaker. But 2020 onwards, in addition to not doing vocal exercises and warm ups, she wasn't performing, so her voice wasn't being trained in any way.
I definitely think Menopause partially contributed.
Menopause maybe, it can affect your hormones.
There were great live performances Emotions, VOL, MIH, Love Hangover, Glitter Medley in Nov 2019 Vegas, and especially Feb 2020 Vegas (I was there) as well. Her voice was amazing and confidence was up before the Quarantine era.
You have no Idea how much happiness it gave me when she did the circles live like I didnt even care she messed up a lil bit lol she so perfectionist
I couldn't get home from work fast enough to watch this 😩. We've waited 10 LONG DAYS and it's finally here. I know you had some personal things going on but thank you soooo much for your time and dedication to these segments, YOU ARE GREATLY APPRECIATED ❤. I wonder if mariah sees these and what are her regards to it? For me, I think she probably be like ......WELL DARLING, ONLY TRUE LAMBS WILL ANALYZE MY WORK AND TECHNIQUES AND IM AMAZED BY IT, BUT EVERYTHING IS NOT FOR EVERYONE SO ILL KEEP YOU ALL GUESSING CAUSE IM NEVER TELLING 😂😂😂😂
I wish it was different, but since the quarantine era the only thing I hear when she sing is the mechanical computer generated autotuneish "quality" of her voice, but every other singer sounds like that nowadays so...
let’s also not forget that these were the years of corsetriah! (& still she gave us incredible live notes)
🔥PORTRAIT REMIX🎼💛GOLDEN MARIAH💯🍸 SPLASH ON THAT 💝
THE MOMENT YOU PEOPLE ACCEPT THE INCREDIBILITY OF THE🎤🎧🎵 5 'OCTAVES' 'GOLDEN MARIAH' IS UNSTOPPABLE, EXTRAORDINAIRE. RECOGNIZE HOW SHE CHERISHES, APPRECIATES HER BLESSINGS, AND SHARES WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH
1:34 god that 2018 tone was so gorgeous
YESSS I LOVE THESE VIDEOS
One of the things I noticed most about this era of Mariah is the sound of her Whistles, which became more "head voice".
The heavier sound in the high notes is what always gets me.
And she keeps it up until today.
those are not head voice at all...
The respect and love you've put into these videos >>> THIS is what a lamb looks like honey
I love how you point out that it seems a song isn't "complete" to Mariah unless part is lipped. Like doing Endless Love all live but lipping like 3 words at the very end. It's just bizarre - I'm so curious as to the mindset where she thinks lipping in a song is not only a good thing, but a NECESSARY thing every time. I'll never understand it.
she probably feels some sense of safety from it? idk its like relying on her live voice for a whole song just feels too scary, so lipping helps quell those fears, even if it is illogical.
Didn't she sing the emotions intro fully live multiple times in 2020 during the residency? That would make them the last attempts, not the BBMA.
Yeah I totally forgot about that at some point while making the video ngl😅 I was mainly checking to see if there were any unknown 2019 performances but I forgot 2020
2:34 I make my apperance in my era 🥰🥰🥰
Yayy!! Thank you for your hard work devoted lamb, can't wait for the last part ❤️🦋✨
imo the biggest problem why Mariah needs to lip is her consistency. One day she can sing her best and the next day it's the worst. Since people only remember bad days, it's smart to lip to avoid mistakes.
This would make so much sense but for so long it has been bad day, after bad day, after bad day, after bad day...
@@issamoodissavibe Let's not forget that Mariah has nodules and it's literally holding her back. Even if she wanted to, nodules restricts her.
@@danmarco3989 her not getting coached is what restricts her. She's had nodules her entire career, for example in 2000 as well as in 2003. Her approach during Charmbracelet was definitelly guided by someone cause she wasn't brightening her voice and you can her her singing with lowered larynx on many occasions. So yeah, the comment above yours is 100% valid. If it's everyday it's not an axception but a routine, a neccessary one.
@@SPexHoS2137 yeah I've gone back and forth about whether she had a vocal coach for Charmbracelet. I feel like if she did have a coach it would've been a faster more drastic shift- and things like vibrato and stuff would be more present. Her technical intuition was pretty good for belting until like 2006- for charm she was running on muscle memory. I feel like unfortunately Charm tour is one of the main reasons that Mariah believes she can take care of her voice by herself- by resting, sleeping, but only minimal warm ups.
2 done in one day😍 this series is actually making me sad, its like we've come so far and went through her career together😭
omg you're actually getting to the end I can't believe it😭❤ but I have to warn you a VOL Eb5 is coming your way💀
@@VMariah NO💀
11:23 All the pre-recorded tracks she's done in 2022 - 2023 for her to only use once also support this (me in my science teacher era). The eb5 in Oh Santa in 2022, the Emotions whistle in 2022 and La Pride 2023, the AIWFCIY intro in 2022, etc
Well no 🌝
@@DaydreamCarey1234 she's got a point, she's an icon, and she is the moment
On another note, as you mentioned, 2020-2021 was the year that mariah learned that resting wasn't going to do anything. I never understood why she hasn't take any source of vocal therapy or rehabilitation
I feel Mariah knows what to do cause she seems to be able to get her voice together whenever she really really needs two (cbwt, Beacon, 2023) but she just doesn't follow that strictly most of the time.
@@VMariahsuch an interesting point but I wonder what this routine or regime is? Do you think she cuts out all bad lifestyle things or do you think she warms up her voice before every show? Omg I want to know the real story so bad
@@michaelcolman5285 I think cutting off lifestyle things especially drinking and sleeping well are definitely part of it. But only Mariah knows the rest I'm afraid😩
@@VMariah I just wish she would put her pride aside and pay too dollar to get vocal rehab & coaching. I feel like she could get back so much confidence & dexterity If she worked with a coach.
I wonder if it’s denial or if she doesn’t care. Must be disappointing to not be able to sing like you used too, not talking about 90s Mimi, but even 2012-14 era I mean like that’s not unrealistic to get back to that level of ability? I dunno
@@VMariah I don't think she knows what she's doing cause most of 2023 she held the mic at two arms lenght. Mariah getting her ish together will evince itself once she sings a song live again. Check Lara Fabian and how she discusses the voice in general. That woman knows what she's talking about.
That endless love performance with Troy was magical
This video series has been truly great.
I got feeling all of those Quarantine vocals were definitely done in multiple takes, edited to sound more professional in terms of quality. I doubt any of those were dubbed in a way but its still the same thing technically but still 100% live
That's something some late night shows and other télévised/DVD recordings do. Have a couple takes to decide the best take to use as the base. Then, if they think a line from a different take is better, they dub it over their base take.
Joy to The World and Hero vocals from December have the same robotic quality that her new rerecordings. They were carefully crafted and don't even get me started on WBT Valentine's mix cause that is some next level MIAM shit.
how can something be live when it is done multiple times and pieced together, your standards are super low.
@@SPexHoS2137 NTM, valentines mix wasn't as robotic as MIAM. MIAM is in a league all on her own 🤣😭
@@onedollarbleach6891 you can actually sing MIAM songs. Valentine mix is literally a mix of chopped words put together for the sake of variety of textures. It's a tired sister of Heavenly though
Ah yes my favorite moment of the week thank u
Its insane how youre able to put everything im thinking from every live video ive ever seen of her into actual words! 😍 ur so spot on with every single performance!! I cant wait for the next one!❤
i’m surprised you didn’t mention close my eyes “live” in 2020 which popped up on the rarities
you're right I should have mentioned that one. I think it's mostly the same deal as VOL, though I'm really on the fence as to whether that whistle is live
@@VMariahI'm almost certain it wasn't - it sounded so computerized, the way it just cut off so abruptly / unnaturally. She also hasn't sung that high live in a LONG time - she usually sticks to the E6-G#6 area nowadays.
i appreciate you pointing out the fact that when she _is_ actually singing live, she doesn't end up using auto-tune/live pitch correction. in an era where nearly everybody is, it's refreshing to hear the notes as they really are, even if her delivery on some notes ends up being flat or sharp. when we arrived at pandemic era, it pained me seeing her lip VOL for the first time ngl, and i hope someday we see her return to more live singing again - even if she has to re-arrange her songs and continue to lower keys. imo nothing beats her real, live, un-melodyned, unedited, vocal moments
This was such a good time for her vocally, great attempts, tone, and the confidence was there! I really wish her vocals freeze dried in this state 💀
Great, interesting series. I was hoping to see an analysis of "The Distance" performed on the Tonight Show. I had always thought it was live, but now I'm inclined to think it was fully lipped save for an ad lib at the very end.
Yes Im curious about this and the oh Santa performance on the tonight show. My guess is lipped/dubbed w sum live parts
Loved the commentary. Sincere and not biased at all. Keep making these contents. They're educational and informative even for some Lambs, esp. for delulu lambs.
Dare I say
Christmas 2019 was an amazing way to end the decade, especially when she performed emotions
I agree! early 2020 vegas was great too. It really seemed like she had regained a good grasp of her changed voice at the time
Already waiting for your next episode
She also adlibbed whistles before the actual whistles of Heartbreaker on tour 😍
Amazing series! I love Mariah so much that even her lip-syncing is a form of art for me. She gave us so much all over these years... she still has a great voice, don't forget she's 53 minutes already LOL and 34 of non-stop singing
LIP THIS
5:29 tone for days
late 2019-early 2020 tone was just incredible sometimes
I think it’s safe to say the more prominent social media became, the more she lipped. Before social media she’d still sing live on her worst day, but with everything making its way online now I don’t think she wants to trend in a bad way
🦶🦶🦶
It was so nice hearing those bits of Hero climax with new vocals after a long time 😭
I think 2021 would’ve also fit in this video, as the only thing she did that year was WBT valentines (the final form of the quarantine performances - where it was promoted like a live performance, but ended up being a music video for the new rerecorded version she would release on Spotify and all)
Well u kinda included it in the end 😭 just finished watching it
I didn't even realize that was supposed to be a live performance based on how the video looks😭 but I was looking at the wikipedia list of live performances later on when I realized it actually aired on tv and received the same promo treatment as the other ones
@@VMariah yes, I remember even being a bit disappointed by TTR/MIH 😭 cuz the past two performances of Hero and ABMB really did sound rawer. I wish she kept the same style
@@coltonisalamb for me it was VOL😭 the vocals are great but I wish she did it more unplugged like the original 1990 GMA
@@VMariahi mean at lesst she didn’t cheat with lowered 90 vocals 😹 until 2023
I was just checking your channel for new videos yesterday lol...and i was excited when i saw notification ❤❤❤today
Her quarantine and post-quarantine vocals have really diminished. Her whistle tone also became screechy and rough, although she seemed at ease here more than the high belts.
She actually did sing the Emotions intro live in 2020! But this was such a great video!
We waiting 2024😂🥲
PORTRAIT
Don’t forget she sang the emotions intro televised another time in 2018 during iHeart Radio Concert
14:35 but it isn’t, tho! Someone made a comparison and it doesn’t only sound thinner in tone than the usual track, it also seems to be different. Maybe she used another track or she actually attempted on studio.
oh?! It could be a track from the earlier 2010s? Like I could totally see Infinityriah doing that growl
That someone being me😍
Not Ulradeja being mentioned 😭
it's alll dubbed
Ulradeja is such an icon
@@Inspiration_Seriesliterally-
I feel that she started changing her technique during 2018 due to the backlash of her natural 2017 tone (Dark and heavy), so she tried to pull a daydream move and make her voice sound more girly and nasal, however this backfired since that only made her upper belt inconcistent, easily tired and pitch issues (similar issues daydreamriah had) It only got worse in 2020-2022 since her voice was basically overpitched. It wasn't until 2023 that (I think due to menopause) she had to accept her new heavier and dark sound
I've never heard this explanation before but it makes a lot of sense! I remember thinking some note changes in that era were also strangely reminiscent of Daydream. Maybe she was trying to move back toward that style
I don’t really follow news and stuff, but when she did get public backlash for her dark heavy tone? I feel like 2017 was about the body and being a diva, etc. Now on the other hand I could imagine that Mariah internalized some insecurities about her changing voice and aging and that led her to sing differently. But with how much her tone has changed over the years I honestly think she doesn’t really do a lot of intentional things with her voice. She discovered she liked a higher placement around 1994- probably in the studio and then kept going cause it felt good to her. Butterfly was unable to replicate it, so she just rolled with darker tones. But then again 2017-2018 does feel so drastic that it had to be something intentional? Like with unintentional changes it happens gradually idk. Sorry for this long rant
@@outsideskippy1997I'm not sure how public the backlash was, but most lambs were commenting that they were NOT digging her tone during that time. It was similar to 2015 - heavy, dark, and oddly unpleasant for some reason. I love darker rounder voices, but it was weird for Mariah to not sound "pretty" like she always has. The higher placement was surely intentional, just like how it was in 95/95 - that's also how she sings in the studio, never really using her natural tone, which indicates that's generally how she prefers to sound. So I'm not sure why she WASN'T doing that in 2015/2017 - maybe she was just trying something different and decided it didn't fit her idea of herself as a singer. Sorry for my rant as well. 😅
@@outsideskippy1997Mariah always liked a higher placement in the voice. Have you heard weakness of the body from her demo? Tommy made her sing lower, and Tommy forced her to see a vocal coach during their marriage, when she was trapped in the mansion better known as “sing sing”. I think Tommy realized if Mariah recorded her songs in higher placements of her voice it would eventually backfire which is why a lot of her earlier songs have a darker heavier tone, and Mariah didn’t like singing like that, she even said she prefers singing her songs in a higher key because they sound better even if she can’t replicate it on stage. Mariah smoked during the years leading up to her debut, so 90 91 and 92 her voice was recovering from smoking, and with cigarettes being so hard to quite, I’m sure she would sneak one here and there, but it wasn’t until she was living with Tommy with constant supervision that she quit smoking entirely in my opinion. That combined with a vocal coach is the clear polished sound we hear from 1993 to 1996. Mariah also says the state of her voice depends on how much sleep she gets and I remember seeing an interview from 1995 where she said she tries to get 12 hours of sleep the day before a performance. After her divorce, I wouldn’t doubt it if she started smoking again rarely, I kno she started partying and drinking more and was around people that were smoking. But she definitely always preferred singing outside of her natural range which is why her voice was so inconsistent, aside from the nodules. I’ll also point out that throughout the years, the more singing she did, the raspier her speaking voice was, her voice hasn’t been raspy for almost a decade, I don’t know if this is a good thing or a bad thing
@@devenstout I agree that she likes singing in a higher placement in general- like TEOM is much more nasal and high than most people think. But I'm not sure that Tommy intentionally wanted to have a darker sound- I think it was more about training her voice to be good with adult contemporary ballads. I also a agree that she had a vocal coach, but I believe she stopped by 1994. I never thhought about smoking- I mostly considered drinking to be her problem, but smoking is also interesting to consider.
When are the last parts coming 😭😭 been waiting for this entertaining series, the videos are made with such high quality
I'm aiming to finish part 9 next week and part 10 before the Vegas residency starts!
I think the emotions intro was televised for Xmas 2022 but was lipped obviously. I attended that one btw 😂
The Caution Tour HIT!!
I’m so excited for the. next part
Yet again amazing video and very informative work, thank you ❤
"The hand says lipped ngl" 💀😭😂
It surprises me that during 2020-2021 mariah was still releasing some music but she doens't even look at it
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I love this 😍
U can always tell when mariah is lipsyncing an High Note cause she always hides her mouth 😂❤️
Ok, so if i'm being fully honest i kinda feel some type of way about what you said about the quarantine performances. it felt like you're doubting her completely and think any good note is either lipped or dubbed. But if i'm being honest with myself, if i look objectively and take as step back, i can kinda see where you're coming from. doesn't mean i agree (i think the vol whistle is live) but it does mean i'm leaving the door open tot he possibility that you may be right about some of it. as far as the lipping of the last performance and even the speech...1 month ago i would have unsubscribed and cursed your name for even making the insinuation (lol), but it was just a few weeks ago when i realized she's lipping the spoken song introductions and speeches in Celebration of Mimi. I was floored. I literally couldnt believe it. I even compared multiple dates and she was 100% lip syncing the spoken speeches in Celebration of Mimi. So whether or not i agree with your assessment here is irrelevant because the real takeaway is plausibility and it's 100% plausible that she did lip the speech in the last quarantine performance. Excellent video once again.
Thank you for saying this and I 100% agree. Especially for those quarantine performances there's really no way of knowing what exactly is going on, it's just my inferences at the end of the day. And yeah I remember the 100% lipped mimi speech really took me by surprise too
@@VMariah Question, and this isn't criticism or anything but genuine curiosity...why did you include the acapella moments of her singing the mimi songs at home? do you think those were lipped?
@@Mariahs5thOctave oh no definitely not, I am almost sure they are a live recording! I just included it because there's not really any other footage to use when talking about 2020-2021 lol
The celebration of mimi speeches are lipped? Please say no omg... My heart is broken
Not the lipped speeches chiiilllee 😭😭😭😭 I haven't been keeping up w Celebration of Mimi so this is news to me 💀
I always wondered why she never used live autotune, that’s kinda honorable
Everybody uses it nowadays
10:41 I’m sooooo glad I’m not the only one that thinks this
I was so shook when she hit the caution whistle the first time
I know this about lip syncing, but can you please comment on the use of the odd chipmunk style editing that has been used in Mariah's studio recordings the last decade? I know some of the 2020 "LIVE" performances heavily featured this.
Omg the second verse of Fantasy sounds crazy now. The "images of rapture" part is comically bizarre.
@@CalebTizonshe doesn’t perform that part today
@@coltonisalamb She did in that Abu Dhabi private performance
@@coltonisalambthere was one performance when she performed it I think 2023 or early 2024. A private event It was the most overproduced track, I think that’s what they’re talking about.
@@justicestewart8823 yeah, she’s not using that anymore, that’s what I meant
sometimes I wonder if she regrets making her songs too hard to sing
im so impressed at your ability to tell when she's lipping. I mean sometimes it can be obvious :p but sometimes I'm just like do you have inside info??? Anyway I think this series is really great and a very healthy approach to the conversation on lip-syncing :)
Thank you! I wish I did have inside info lol. At the end of the day for some of the really tricky ones it's just a lot like a lot of microanalyzing, comparing, plus a little bit of guessing
10:05 she did the emotions intro for iheartradio!
oh yes you're right! why did I keep forgetting things when making this video💀
@@VMariahyeah that was in 2018 though BBMA was 2019
@@jeremyechols6828the belt in that iheart radio performance is so good! I mean better than the other one we are talking about. I feel like the iheart one has so much power behind it! Soo good!
I think the Heroes speech thing wasn’t lipped, but mic quality and compressing makes it sound like that. But the sung vocals are for sure 😭
What about the late late show Christmas 2019 performances? The oh santa one and ctiitaa ones. The only thing im pretty sure is theyre not dubbed, but i cant tell if theyre live or lipped. It looks like the oh santa one is live but shes doing the finger in ear thing at the whistles so... The eb5s sound live too, but the faces shes doing makes it look like its easy on her compared to other performances. Maybe it was since theyre really short and theyre really raspy
Yeah that’s a tricky one. Christmas time Im pretty sure is just the usual arrangement (almost fully live except a couple of bridge notes). I feel like the Oh Santa Eb5s are lipped though? It seems like she did harmonize under the whistles though
FINALLY!!
10:29 was it tho? Or you mean like in the era? Because she sang it again in 2020
wait you're right😭 I was originally thinking of the era (like CWT performances and Christmas 2019) but at some point I forgot 2020 existed and changed it💀
@@VMariahLMAOOOO it’s okay, I’ll just take it as if you meant just in the era
I was about to comment the same!!! She slayed the Emotions intro in 2020 ✨
9:34 was actually live! she has always lipped "the Lawn!" part in that song during tour but it sounds more raspy and taxing here. i also thought it was lipped but im pretty confident that its live.
oh I thought I heard a transition to playback at "time to" but maybe that was just something in the background
another example of her taking an outtake or recording something just to lip to it once.
@@VMariah actually now that you say it I do hear 2 voices at once right as she's getting into it so im not sure now.
8:01 butterfly tone😮
Sat! (6 hours late but still sat.)
Next video better be 2021-2024 🌝🌝🌝🌝🌝🌝🌝🌝🌝
What is there to talk about with 2021💀 tho I’m probably going to do 2022-2023 for part 9 then 2024 so the finale falls on part 10
@@VMariah I mean why not do 2022-2024? 😍😍 It would make sense tho if 2024 would be in another whole video cuz you know… 🌝
@@DaydreamCarey1234 cause 2024 is in its own league😍 but the real reason is I want to use the last video to review all 34 years in general, so it’s really going to be 2024 + 1990-2024
@@VMariah OHH well periodt 😍
I feel like lowering the key of every song by a semitone would still be draining for her if she had to sing them completely live.
Yeah not every song, but MIH deserves to be one of them imo
@@VMariahSinging MIH in the same key since 1992 is insane, cuz that is a HARD song. She even lowered it during the Music Box Tour and it sounded amazing.
I agree that it could still be draining if they're all lowered but in the same arrangement. However, I really think she could change all the arrangements in such a way where it wouldn't be too taxing. Cut some of the bridges, slow some stuff down, don't belt higher than C5, etc.
@@CalebTizon in that case, she could keep the current keys. Like Always Be My Baby in Global Citizen. It was 100% live.
@@BLINGRIAH-RirixMimi Yes I would agree with that! That song is still pretty easy for her minus the bridge/key change stuff. So she could stick with that arrangement, or lower it so she can attempt some of the climax.
btw, what about the With You performance on GMA? was that fully lipped too?
yeah I think so. She seemed to be singing behind the track if you look at the audience footage, but it didn't show up in the actual televised one
even when she sang live, it is obvious that is not a sustainable voice for live singing. She is raspy across all her belting range. She would be out of voice within a set.
Are you still thinking about doing one of these for the Jamaica Jazz Festival?
I talked about Jamaica in the previous video since it falls under that era! But I could consider doing a more detailed video on that in the future
I think the next video will be the reason for what we will see in the following one.
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10:28 didn't she sing this intro multiple times live during her 2020 vegas residency? she didn't start lipping the intro until 2023 at LA pride
yeah that was a mistake sorry, I totally forgot about the 2020 ones
10:40 they arent dw
When you've been abusing your voice for most of your career lacking technique and now have to carry on that image for the world to perpetuate that image
Her voice cracking the way it did during Billboard 2019 is a pretty good illustration of why she has became so dependent on lipping.
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ulradeja?
yeah a troll account in the lambily who always posts comments saying Mariah's vocals are lipped/dubbed. But it's become iconic🥰
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@@Supcharged wait who was meegikang?
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