Jason, thank you so much for this video. This was my biggest problem during my instrument training. I saw this video just before my checkride, which was yesterday, and it was my best flight under the hood. I got my Instrument Rating and on my birthday too! Your videos help out more than you know, once again thank you.
This is really important! From 172's to big jets, correct pitch + power configs will always give you what you want. A friend is a training captain and demonstrated this in a 767 sim for me and drilled it in my head. Has made Instrument flying a lot easier. Understanding your aircrafts characteristics is a biggy in it too!
Even under VFR I sometimes find the pitch indication useful for holding altitude, especially in a turn or when the natural horizon is blurred or not level. Thanks a lot for making these available to the public (besides your great podcast.)
Thanks for another great video. I have two students that I have only done one lesson with towards their instrument raising and now I know what to do on lesson two.
This works great on a clear day with no turbulence. But if you're flying through or under cumulus clouds, the turbulence will cause altitude changes even with the same pitch. It's still possible to hold altitude, but it often requires constant changes to pitch and power to counteract the updrafts and downdrafts.
We do get very still air out here, usually. The principle is the same though, you would chase the performance indicators in turbulence, you'd still set pictures on the AI and work to get the performance you want. Your job is harder there in turbulence for sure and your scan has to be more effective. If the turbulence gets severe or extreme, then let all the data go and work to hold the pitch as level as you can.
Come out for an IFR immersion week? Even after you get rated it's pretty amazing (and predictable) experience. There is a hotel at KSQL, I'm just sayin ... :)
Oh man. This is a great tip. In fact, I can feel that just thinking about using the AI in that way is making me more comfortable about flying instruments the next time I'm in the cockpit. I can imagine how much more effective my scan will be from now on. Loving this stuff Jason! Thank you sir.
You can learn to "see" the base of the mountains as the horizon to some extent. But in this lesson (even though he has not hood) I was asking Christophe to use the AI. There are definitely some things about Illinois flying that I miss.
The Finer Points WX in/around Chgo not tht much different than SFO bcuz of the Lake. Lots of inversions, late afternoon on-shore wnd shifts in the summer. Winter w/the lake-effect sno squalls makes it tough to get up to say nothing of the cold. I'd rather be in the bay area so I can play w/the marine layers.
Chicago's my home town, I love flying there. But I must say it's pretty different than the bay area. I'd love to do a Great Lakes Adventure trip someday ... the weather makes planning for a group a little tricky but I haven't given up hope
After 500 hour of training I can't keep the VSI needle nor the pitch attitude steady. It's like 500+- VSI and 15+- Deg Pitch oscillation. I think the Instruments are so small for me to sense control. Maybe I just don't have that aptitude for flying. Must give up now?
I think the one we are using here was made by the San Carlos Flight Center. I don't believe they are for sale ... but they are well done. Very streamlined and so I use them when I fly those planes. I have been considering making some TFP check lists that are similar. You can make your own if you cross check the POH and make sure you aren't omitting anything critical.
"....10 million dollars to hold this altitude..." you got your point here 👍 i will definitely put this into practice on my next flight. Tha js for thise precuous amd valuable tips you're sharing 🙏
Great video thank you for sharing. Is the next step to do the same thing by blocking all the instruments except the ai and block the outside view ? (just thinking the student may also be using visual references)
Thanks Michael. I really try hard on that front. Nothing makes me happier than giving my best to somebody’s flight training. I had awesome teachers and I just try to lass that on.
Michael Lloyd he has to move to Missouri first.... hahahaha...he could probably make a good living traveling to peoples home base and training. But.... Missouri first. :-)
Reminds me of learning to fly in 67-8 with OLD high time pilots who made everything seem easy. Most modern instructors can't even teach a basic student to smoothly land a 172... they don't know how because they came from the bounce and thump landing school. My first Commercial check ride the examiner said "You can do all the snappy manouvers, now you need to learn to fly like you've got 40 people in the back."" Best advice I ever got. Ever fly with a 5,000 hr pilot who jerks an airplane all over the sky, especially in turbulence??
Ronald Wilkinson howdy! I was born on St Charles raised in Wayne and have been in SF for about 20 years. We come back to Chicago about 3 times per year. I love it. Soloed at KDPA
When you say to have an "effective visual scan pattern," can you expand on that? If I lock in the pitch on the attitude indicator, would I be looking at my tachometer and back in this lesson? Airspeed? Thanks!
Ah, great question. So great I'm not sure I can get all in a TH-cam comment reply but let me try. You control the airplane via pitch and power and then measure the performance on the performance indicators. So if the goal is to hold altitude then set a pitch and a power and scan the altimeter to see if that combination has been effective. If the goal is a standard rate turn, then you'd confirm the turn coordinator. This is NOT to say you ignore the other instruments but rather that you look to the ones I mentioned to see if the picture / power combo is effective or needs to be adjusted.
Yes, it's true, it's much harder in mod turbulence. Definitely. However, the basic idea of trying to fly attitudes instead of "chasing the data" would still apply
Jason, they say the only stupid question is the one you don't ask, but this is probably going to come close. In clear, no turbulence air, i.e., 'on top' for example, holding the sight picture from the AI keeps you level and at an assigned altitude, but Cristof seemed to be working rather hard to maintain that altitude. My question is 'how much does proper trim come into play for this?' I would think, and I haven't flown since the early 80's, that pitch and power would set up the attitude of the airplane, but trim keeps it there without a whole lot of work. Am I missing something?
I agree with Gary C, being in trim is fundamental. I use the ‘pen trick’ to make sure that happens (where you thread a pen or pencil through your fingers to make sure you have a light grip (or experience the pain!). Christophe and I had worked on this already .... hmm maybe that’s a whole video? Anyway, I say if your relaxed in your body (not fighting the plane) you’ll be relaxed in your mind
Jason, I'm not sure that I understand your last statement. If I'm relaxed in my body, and not fighting the airplane, it gives me one less thing to worry about so I can concentrate on other aspects of flying. There are two ways I can take the 'relaxed in your mind' part of this. One is that you're not paying attention to the airplane, either talking to passengers, fooling around with Sirius XM radio, or groovin' to a tune. Basically you've partially divorced yourself from the airplane. Secondly, your mind is relaxed from not having to concentrate on the visual picture of the AI, or the same picture outside of the airplane in VMC. This allows you to pay attention to other things. Now, my disclaimer is I'm not current, by 40 years, my medical is gone, and the honest truth is, barring some miracle, I'll never fly as PIC again. Also, I was never Instrument rated. Having said that, the basics of 'fly the airplane' always apply to any situation. As a VMC pilot, taught back in the mid to late 70's, I was taught the 'visual picture' and I was also taught to listen to the airplane. We didn't have noise cancelling headsets back then, but even today, you should be able to hear the change in the airflow around the airplane, with a fixed pitch prop, the change of the engine and the seat of your pants feeling. All of that combines to tell you how the airplane is flying. I could fly a whole cross country, from departure to landing, and really not look inside the cockpit, and yet get to where I was going, be at the correct airspeed, altitude and heading based on outside visual picture and aural cues. I worry that this new generation of pilots aren't able to do that. Too much 'video game' flying. My two cents. :p
You post the only helpful flight instruction videos on youtube.
Jason, thank you so much for this video.
This was my biggest problem during my instrument training.
I saw this video just before my checkride, which was yesterday, and it was my best flight under the hood.
I got my Instrument Rating and on my birthday too!
Your videos help out more than you know, once again thank you.
I got the same problem, good to know it fixes it that quick. I wish I had CFI like him!
@@larrybueno yeah, we could all use a 2 time CFI of the year winner.
@@gabrielvazquez1691 I knew a "CFI of the year" who was terrible instructor So that means nothing to me now.
@@larrybueno I've never met one so I can't say, but I can imagine there's an exception to every concept.
This is really important! From 172's to big jets, correct pitch + power configs will always give you what you want. A friend is a training captain and demonstrated this in a 767 sim for me and drilled it in my head. Has made Instrument flying a lot easier. Understanding your aircrafts characteristics is a biggy in it too!
Thanks for that Luke, agreed!
Holy Dyna! This was a good one Jason! THANK YOU!!
Jason, I am stage IF now. And this it’s still super great info. Again THE FINER POINTS. Thank you so much
Orlando O. Spencer I™ 🙏🏻🙌
Even under VFR I sometimes find the pitch indication useful for holding altitude, especially in a turn or when the natural horizon is blurred or not level. Thanks a lot for making these available to the public (besides your great podcast.)
Thanks for another great video. I have two students that I have only done one lesson with towards their instrument raising and now I know what to do on lesson two.
great tip.. well done.
This works great on a clear day with no turbulence. But if you're flying through or under cumulus clouds, the turbulence will cause altitude changes even with the same pitch.
It's still possible to hold altitude, but it often requires constant changes to pitch and power to counteract the updrafts and downdrafts.
We do get very still air out here, usually. The principle is the same though, you would chase the performance indicators in turbulence, you'd still set pictures on the AI and work to get the performance you want. Your job is harder there in turbulence for sure and your scan has to be more effective. If the turbulence gets severe or extreme, then let all the data go and work to hold the pitch as level as you can.
Thank you
Love these videos. Please don’t stop
I’m just at the beginning of my IFR training and this is going to be really helpful. Thanks.
I'm about to start my instrument rating....what I would do to have you train me in MN. So many good tips in your videos.
Come out for an IFR immersion week? Even after you get rated it's pretty amazing (and predictable) experience. There is a hotel at KSQL, I'm just sayin ... :)
@@TheFinerPoints talked to the wife, thats not a bad idea. Have anymore information around it. I would probably do that pre-rating.
*THE BEST VIDEOS FOR IFR* :D
I need to use the attitude indicator much more.
Fantastic video. Thanks!
Oh man. This is a great tip. In fact, I can feel that just thinking about using the AI in that way is making me more comfortable about flying instruments the next time I'm in the cockpit. I can imagine how much more effective my scan will be from now on. Loving this stuff Jason! Thank you sir.
Well done awesome tips :)
Great tip, keep them coming. Enjoy your work.
That's way I am always learning from the Finer Points
Wow - thanks!
Excellent considering the mountain ridges would change. Here in Illinois, it's a pool table here. No excuses!
You can learn to "see" the base of the mountains as the horizon to some extent. But in this lesson (even though he has not hood) I was asking Christophe to use the AI. There are definitely some things about Illinois flying that I miss.
The Finer Points WX in/around Chgo not tht much different than SFO bcuz of the Lake. Lots of inversions, late afternoon on-shore wnd shifts in the summer. Winter w/the lake-effect sno squalls makes it tough to get up to say nothing of the cold. I'd rather be in the bay area so I can play w/the marine layers.
Chicago's my home town, I love flying there. But I must say it's pretty different than the bay area. I'd love to do a Great Lakes Adventure trip someday ... the weather makes planning for a group a little tricky but I haven't given up hope
Great idea! Thanks.
After 500 hour of training I can't keep the VSI needle nor the pitch attitude steady. It's like 500+- VSI and 15+- Deg Pitch oscillation. I think the Instruments are so small for me to sense control. Maybe I just don't have that aptitude for flying. Must give up now?
Wow I'm looking forward to asking my CFII to do this so I can demonstrate the ability to hold any altitude that he asked of me to do as a Pilot
Nice thanks
Thank you. Excellent.
You're most welcome! Thanks for watching
I have learned so much from you, only wish you lived near me. thanks for being a great instructor and loving flying so much
Thanks for saying so, I really appreciate it. It’s so motivating to hear feedback like this. Maybe a trip to CA is in your future?
Awesome video. Is that a custom checklist? if not where did you buy it?
I think the one we are using here was made by the San Carlos Flight Center. I don't believe they are for sale ... but they are well done. Very streamlined and so I use them when I fly those planes. I have been considering making some TFP check lists that are similar. You can make your own if you cross check the POH and make sure you aren't omitting anything critical.
The Finer Points thanks
My IFR flight training skills will become better and better each time
"....10 million dollars to hold this altitude..." you got your point here 👍 i will definitely put this into practice on my next flight.
Tha js for thise precuous amd valuable tips you're sharing 🙏
Another Great video!!! always learning! Especially for me because just started IFR training... thanks
And what headset he is using?
Paulo Monteiro thanks! I think he flies with a Halo in ear headset
Question regarding the card you are holding up against the Altimeter to reference. What's on the card?
Brian Garrett it’s an inflight checklist for climb / cruise / descent etc.
I've been curious about the style of headset your student used. Is out just a quiet? I own the bose.
It's not as quiet as the Bose
Great video thank you for sharing. Is the next step to do the same thing by blocking all the instruments except the ai and block the outside view ? (just thinking the student may also be using visual references)
Yes that is the next step, and then onto some “gym exercises” like the Oscar pattern, have you seen that?
Please do share when you can!
Great lesson. I'll bet you turn out well trained pilots.
Thanks Michael. I really try hard on that front. Nothing makes me happier than giving my best to somebody’s flight training. I had awesome teachers and I just try to lass that on.
Got any plans to move to Texas :D J/K sort of :)
Michael Lloyd he has to move to Missouri first.... hahahaha...he could probably make a good living traveling to peoples home base and training. But.... Missouri first. :-)
Reminds me of learning to fly in 67-8 with OLD high time pilots who made everything seem easy.
Most modern instructors can't even teach a basic student to smoothly land a 172... they don't know how because they came from the bounce and thump landing school.
My first Commercial check ride the examiner said "You can do all the snappy manouvers, now you need to learn to fly like you've got 40 people in the back."" Best advice I ever got.
Ever fly with a 5,000 hr pilot who jerks an airplane all over the sky, especially in turbulence??
Well howdy neighbor! I'm born/raised. I currently live 10minutes frm the CGT Vor.
Ronald Wilkinson howdy! I was born on St Charles raised in Wayne and have been in SF for about 20 years. We come back to Chicago about 3 times per year. I love it. Soloed at KDPA
Awesome music
Thanks! It’s all done by my friend and former band mate, Michael Bizar. I love the stuff he comes up with ... it makes editing so much fun.
Where do we find Michael Bizar's stuff?
When you say to have an "effective visual scan pattern," can you expand on that? If I lock in the pitch on the attitude indicator, would I be looking at my tachometer and back in this lesson? Airspeed? Thanks!
Ah, great question. So great I'm not sure I can get all in a TH-cam comment reply but let me try. You control the airplane via pitch and power and then measure the performance on the performance indicators. So if the goal is to hold altitude then set a pitch and a power and scan the altimeter to see if that combination has been effective. If the goal is a standard rate turn, then you'd confirm the turn coordinator. This is NOT to say you ignore the other instruments but rather that you look to the ones I mentioned to see if the picture / power combo is effective or needs to be adjusted.
Great stuff- I'm gonna try out the "hold it up by the AI" when I start working with the next crop of new hires.
It really makes a huge difference. I never would have made it through my ATP if I didn’t do that.
Love! Love! Love it! Just keep a camera on you the entire time! Hahahaha.
Great tip! Flying over 680 eh? You were in my neck of the woods again lol
Eric Muetterties 🙏🏻 yes. a lot of wat bay flying lately. Lots of room to work over there 👍
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Jason, “Wait! Are you saying that IFR is still visual?!?” 😜
Kinda, yes. Visual but the AI is your horizon. :)
Now, redo all this in moderate turbulence
Yes, it's true, it's much harder in mod turbulence. Definitely. However, the basic idea of trying to fly attitudes instead of "chasing the data" would still apply
Jason, they say the only stupid question is the one you don't ask, but this is probably going to come close. In clear, no turbulence air, i.e., 'on top' for example, holding the sight picture from the AI keeps you level and at an assigned altitude, but Cristof seemed to be working rather hard to maintain that altitude. My question is 'how much does proper trim come into play for this?' I would think, and I haven't flown since the early 80's, that pitch and power would set up the attitude of the airplane, but trim keeps it there without a whole lot of work.
Am I missing something?
Gary C ... Of course trim always. There will always be areas of sink/lift to compensate for,, cross checked to altimeter.
I agree with Gary C, being in trim is fundamental. I use the ‘pen trick’ to make sure that happens (where you thread a pen or pencil through your fingers to make sure you have a light grip (or experience the pain!). Christophe and I had worked on this already .... hmm maybe that’s a whole video? Anyway, I say if your relaxed in your body (not fighting the plane) you’ll be relaxed in your mind
Not a stupid question by the way 👍
Jason, I'm not sure that I understand your last statement. If I'm relaxed in my body, and not fighting the airplane, it gives me one less thing to worry about so I can concentrate on other aspects of flying. There are two ways I can take the 'relaxed in your mind' part of this. One is that you're not paying attention to the airplane, either talking to passengers, fooling around with Sirius XM radio, or groovin' to a tune. Basically you've partially divorced yourself from the airplane. Secondly, your mind is relaxed from not having to concentrate on the visual picture of the AI, or the same picture outside of the airplane in VMC. This allows you to pay attention to other things.
Now, my disclaimer is I'm not current, by 40 years, my medical is gone, and the honest truth is, barring some miracle, I'll never fly as PIC again. Also, I was never Instrument rated.
Having said that, the basics of 'fly the airplane' always apply to any situation. As a VMC pilot, taught back in the mid to late 70's, I was taught the 'visual picture' and I was also taught to listen to the airplane. We didn't have noise cancelling headsets back then, but even today, you should be able to hear the change in the airflow around the airplane, with a fixed pitch prop, the change of the engine and the seat of your pants feeling. All of that combines to tell you how the airplane is flying. I could fly a whole cross country, from departure to landing, and really not look inside the cockpit, and yet get to where I was going, be at the correct airspeed, altitude and heading based on outside visual picture and aural cues. I worry that this new generation of pilots aren't able to do that. Too much 'video game' flying. My two cents. :p
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Aim small, miss small .........Chris Kyle
Guy keeps altitude still doesn't get the ten million. Scam.