Primary Nav Radio FAILED on Actual IFR Lesson + Dark and Stormy Night
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ม.ค. 2019
- We lost our primary navigation radio on an actual IFR lesson ... and then found ourselves flying home on a dark and stormy night. A great learning experience for both of us .... and hopefully you too. Please enjoy The Finer Points!
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There’s light Ifr and deep Ifr, and the wisdom to tell the difference.
After a night flight during my PPL where the panel was barely illuminated, I now carry two headlamps with red lights and an additional pen light. It was no fun using a cell phone to illuminate the panel. :)
I keep visiting your channel for real flying material. Never disappoints! It is humbling to see that an experienced pilot like you has real issues during flight, and slight doubts like when you confirmed if the radio call was for you. Some pilots won't show that for pride. On the other hand, you use them as lessons for other pilots watching. Thanks!
Great video. As a student VFR pilot, this gives me a great little insight into my future training. Thanks for the great channel...I'm learning lots!
I always don a red headlamp as a backup for instrument panel lighting.. and quite often it serves as the primary light source because most panels I’ve been in have dark holes where there shouldn’t be...
That sounds like a great idea. I have found that many are too bright, do you have any solutions for that? Does your have a dimmer?
I’ve dabbled with a few here and there over the years (especially as I started flying more at night)... I stumbled across an LED headset that I like. This particular one has three intensity levels (all selectable by a single button). The base light is white, but it has a red slider/filter to cover the white light. The nice part about it is post-night flight when I’m no longer dependent upon my night vision I can quickly slide the red filter down to get a much better view into the tank for when I’m putting fuel back into the tank.
I’d have to check the make/model to see what it is... but I keep it in my flight bag for this exact situation.
I've really liked the Black Diamond headlamps for flying. The ones I use have continuously dimmable white or red LEDs so you can adjust the brightness to whatever level you need. Also, my CFII had one of these On-Stage 2 LED music lamps that clipped nicely onto the glareshield. on-stage.com/products/view/92651
@@ibgarrett was this the one? www.amazon.com/Princeton-Tec-Quad-Tactical-Headlamp/dp/B071FGTDYF/ref=pd_sbs_468_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B071FGTDYF&pd_rd_r=a860f92e-19c5-11e9-982d-992e9505a650&pd_rd_w=U4FyZ&pd_rd_wg=DveMY&pf_rd_p=7d5d9c3c-5e01-44ac-97fd-261afd40b865&pf_rd_r=CF4XA549VG5DY12ZJCBS&refRID=CF4XA549VG5DY12ZJCBS I'm definitely in the market as well, a lot of these are "junk" so it would be good to see one that has positive feedback. I like this one because it has a slide up window vs multiple buttons to press (which invariably causes you to hit the white light and blind yourself)
I also use a red headlamp, my panel dimmer causes a flicker in bumpy weather. Headlamp super steady, though now that i think about it i should carry a spare set of batts.
Great video and content as always! Keep up the great work sir...
You two had a potpourri of challenges but very well handled. The nav failure was a bonus arrow in Paul's quiver! I know I'll revisit this vlog in the future.
Yes, I think Paul's getting some great actual IFR experience
That was a really great CFI video! Thanks a lot!
Thank you so much, currently working on my ifr, it is so helpful to see this. Again thank you
great video, awesome content; Keep 'm coming! Thanks for putting your time into making these!! - RG - CPL, IR
Great Stuff! Really enjoyed it. Thanks Jason!
Great Job, love that you and my CFII makes sure you get as much actual IMC as possible!!!
Really great video Jason! As real world as it gets and that YOUR workload was really high as well isn't lost on me. Your intro/B roll/ editing is a lot of work so thanks very much for all you do.
Great lesson and video as well. It’s just in perfect time for me to watch while I’m working on my instrument rating. Thanks J.
Great flight instructor!
Another excellent video and learning experience
Wow, yes some good take aways. I did, like most do, all my IFR training without an autopilot. Didn't understand the need for one until I was actual between SAC and RHV on a stormy Sunday morning....ouch . Thanks for a great video
Awesome video, Jason!
Nothing like real world weather for IFR training. Great content as always.
Thanks, I agree. It's so nice to have some actual weather to measure our progress.
@@TheFinerPoints I'm from the UK originally and it sounds like Paul may be too. No shortage of actual weather there:)
THIS was a great video. I really like the “verify” procedure you went through. This is one thing that is either overlooked at times, or omitted from the videos I’ve watched. I’ve been a pilot for over 20 years and ALWAY learn from these. Thank you and safe skies ! 🇺🇸
Great video as usual. I start instrument training this week.
I'm in the middle of my IFR training out at RHV right now, can't wait to get some actual under my belt. It's always nice to watch your flights because I recognize the areas from all my VFR flying.
Awesome Jonathan. I hope you get a chance to experience some actual IMC here, it's one of the best areas of the world to do so. The summer marine layers are great for that, as is the Toule fog of the central valley
I’ve found that an headlamp with a red filter lens works great.
I learned that a second one comes quite handy since the primary one quit 10 minutes into NVFR... a small hend-held torch can change your life, never thought I'd say that.
Brought back some memories. That’s the area where I learned how to fly.
Another fantastic video
Awesome video!
Night time Imc in a little plane. Ouch! That is tuff stuff. Good video!
What an awesome learning opportunity! Real world failures, with expert observations. Thanks, Jason!
How do I thumbs up twice? Great video as usual. Getting ready to start instrument training and I love your methods. Please keep the great content coming!
Santa rosa!? Cool! My airport! Hoping to sign up for lessons at santarosa this year
Outstanding video 👌👌👌
Thanks Nacho!
Thank You for all that great info. It was very informative and scary, I've been into that kind of situation before with no Radios, no lights and no way to turn the runway lights on. you can almost feel your heart beating your chest:).
Yes, that one was starting to get a bit intense. I reminded Paul that we had one vacuum pump and that if some extra thing were to happen (like that pump failing) it would have gotten very interesting, very fast.
Thank You Jason, I can see that you are Unique CFII and too bad that I live in Durham, NC. But, I would love to have some extra flight training with you. if I get the chance. Thank You.@@TheFinerPoints
Good video. It is a bit concerning the student pilot seems to not have a grasp of the basics from his PPL days.
I dont do a lot of night flying in our club 182, but when I do, I too don a headlamp. The one I use is dimmable and also has a white light setting should I need it. I also keep a small white hand held flashlight available.
Another great video! I really like your teaching style.
Loved the video! Great learning points. Regarding 91.213 are you not required to deactivate the equipment and mark it inop because you are still enroute? I have never understood the practical application side of 91.213
I've been flying for two years now and I've never seen anyone actually use the hand mic. I don't even look at or touch it. I think I'll test it out when I go up tomorrow.
I had a really old school CFI who made me use it for the first radio call of the day, every time
Thanks for sharing the exciting flight Jason! Just curious if it is necessary to have a ferry permit to fly the airplane back from KSTS since there is an inop equipment.
Huafei Wang sure! No because it was not required equipment. The CDI was also still operable when connected to the GPS so we didn’t even placard it. Just squawked it when we returned
Did the #1 CDI work for your RNAV approach or did you have to use the CDI display on the GNS430 itself?
The CDI worked when we used the GPS, so we used that. Plus the bases were around 2,500, so most of the approach was visual
Is the water bottle at 3:56 a covert Attitude Indicator?
Another great video ! Your videos have definitely add me a better pilot. I own a little Cherokee and currently working on my Commercial (headed towards CFI, part of my retirement plan!) Loved the Chandelles and Lazy Eight I Does. Just curious, why not use VOR #2 for the ILS? Especially since VOR 1 was inop and driven by the 430..My Concern for an Approach would have been that the 430 was potentially not reliable ?
Thanks Gary, you mean because the CDI appeared to be intermittent? It's a good point. We saw no other issues when it was tethered to the GPS but your point is valid. Perhaps if the weather was lower and the approach would have been in IMC that would have been a good idea.
Using VOR #2 for the ILS would have been impossible, as Nav2 is just a LOC, without a GP indicator.
True , but you can still use it as a localizer approach with step downs. Seriously , What would you do if Glide slope took a crap on an ILS approach?? You would use the step down altitudes and fly a LOC approach and use the LOC minimums,,,SO , not impossible to use NAV 2
Edited out the last part due to beeping words would sound off a bit eh? Concerning the lighting with red. I don't think its advantageous seeing how light brown and blue of artificial horizon look the same enhancing disorientation. Also, it's worth having your eyes checked since needing a flashlight is a symptom of eyes going. Been there the hard way.
What causes nav radio failures? Should this ever be a signal to get it on the ground and address before the situation worsens? What if any diagnostics were done on the ground at the away airport? The radio seemed to jump to life as you were making the call. Did it come back up? You say it's compromised, but was it treated that way or did you continue to use it in any capacity?
Jason, looks like it's time for a couple of Garmin G5's and a GFC 500. I hope your radio got fixed. Kind of scary, but you did have the GPS and the second nav radio, although no glideslope.
Yeah, it's so much easier with that equipment. There's always next time :)
@@TheFinerPoints Whaddya mean "next time?" When I get my life back together and win the Powerball, I was planning on hiring you as my flight instructor. Watching you with Flight Chops always impressed me.
What checklist are you using in this video?
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t taking off not authorized when you have an inoperative piece of equipment?
They had a failed CDI, landed (full stop taxi back) in Santa Rosa and then departed again. I saw no placards or heard them talk about an MEL. Did I miss something?
91.213:
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no person may take off an aircraft with inoperative instruments or equipment installed unless the following conditions are met:
Hi Tyler, you are totally correct. This was a unique situation, however, because the "failed" equipment worked when connected to GPS. Here was my thinking on that -- It wasn't required equipment by any "kinds of operations list" or 91.205, or any other AD. However, we couldn't (it wouldn't have made sense to) placard the number one CDI because it worked when tethered to the GPS and we used it to get home. Further, if you look back on the video the number one NAV radio started working (ish) again right when I was making the call to NORCAL. Although I continued to make the report call (in part for Paul's ... and other folks' education ... ) we could have just as easily said the equipment was working intermittently. I just wouldn't trust it in IMC when tethered to the NAV radio. We squawked it for the mechanics to check out upon our return. Good eye! Thanks for catching that and bringing it up.
TheTimeTraveler2025 inop placard maker inop
If I ever get a plane - it will have full autopilot... the technology exists - might as well use it!
seriously valuable equipment
I have many friends with the same attitude. All of them have been saving up for the perfect plane, autopilot, retract, 200 knots, pressurized, the list goes on and on. None of them ever go fly as it remains a someday pipedream. My plane started with the same steam gauges shown in this video and slowly upgraded to how i feel comfortable now. The important thing is to live the dream not just dream in my opinion.
adam smith
Wise words
Out of curiosity, what did the maintenance folks find?
Mike Kobb unable to duplicate 😕
@@TheFinerPointsDon't you just love those?
Night, t-storms, single engine nope. Good vid tho.
R J I totally agree. If I had seen that stuff before we departed I would not have been up there. It has had me thinking a lot about how it caught up with us, I hope that’s clear in the video.
Not convinced that the RADIO failed --- just the CDI --- even tho' you did get indications later ((bad wiring??))
Gwen Walcott fair enough but I knew I wasn’t going to use it for an actual instrument approach. Possibly, it seemed intermittent
Wait... FAR 91.213 says "no person may take off an aircraft with inoperative instruments or equipment installed unless the following conditions are met ..." So your second take off wasn't legal without, essentially, just placarding it.
Very astute Lloyd ... that is really a Finer Point! Here was my thinking on that -- It wasn't required equipment by any "kinds of operations list" or 91.205, or any other AD. However, we couldn't (it wouldn't have made sense to) placard the number one CDI because it worked when tethered to the GPS and we used it to get home. Further, if you look back on the video the number one NAV radio started working (ish) again right when I was making the call to NORCAL. Although I continued to make the call (in part for Paul's ... and other folks' education ... we could have just as easily said the equipment was working intermittently. I just wouldn't trust it in IMC when tethered to the NAV radio. We squawked it for the mechanics to check out upon our return. Good eye! Thanks for catching that and bringing it up.
Do you teach 11 year olds?