Really great video, I think ONE major point for students being introduced to holds for the first time is this: BEFORE determining your entry you MUST be heading directly to the FIX (station). This confused my students early on when given hold instructions and they weren't headed to the fix yet. They would determine an entry based on their current heading rather than on the heading to the fix. Happy landings!
Great tips Jason. This is good enough to instruct the instrument instructors, not just the instrument students. Hopefully all pilots recognize that we should all be students, forever learning.
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@Gustavo Tyler Thanks so much for your reply. I found the site on google and I'm in the hacking process atm. Takes quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.
I've always been nervous about visualizing HP entries in flight. But this video and graphic presentations just allayed my fears and doubts about pattern entries. HPs is all about perspective, visualization, and projection and you nailed it all in this video Jason. Thank you for that.
Hi Jason, longtime lurker here - great videos, my first time looking at IFR stuff so a little confused by one point in this video - the exact angles for the parallel entry. In the video you say, and your diagram shows a turn to parallel the radial when you cross the fix; from there, you fly for 1 minute. The part I'm confused about is at one point you say turn to Three Zero Zero, but the example in the video is three three zero. So the initial turn to parallel when crossing the fix wouldn't be parallel, but 30 degrees to the left of parallel. Can you clarify that? Cheers!
Hey Jason, I'm a big fan of your videos and I was wondering here, when you say "this is the way you're flying right now" (1:33) you mean that the airplane is always flying towards the course of its heading, right? regardless of the to/from flag
the conventions of the aviation industry rely too much on human accuracies and judgement, so many variables, why not pilot can simply enter their choice of destination press a button or say a command, and all the AI ATC's enroute can remotely control coordinate all the flights in busy airspace before, during, and after the aircrafts chosen flight plan! So much easier, it would be like having an Airplane version of the Tesla! Then all the aircrafts can fly right next to each other like the flying cars of Coruscant!
Out of all the ways of finding out a holding entry, this thumb method is undoubtedly the best and easiest if you understand the concept. After a few practices, it would take you a second to figure out the entry, trust me, it will definitely work. Thanks for this video, should help everyone doing their Instrument Flying.
Comparing the thumb method to FAA Instrument holding pattern test prep questions don’t work at all. If I draw it out I get the correct entry every time, when I do the thumb I get the correct answer about 20% of the time. Does the thumb method not depict the correct layout of the entries?
You don’t actually prove nor try to prove hypotheses true. Instead you try to show them false and so long as you fail show them false you presume them true. That is why hypotheses must be falsifiable else they’re not actually hypotheses.
Another great way is to hold your hand up palm away from you (“stop” sign) with your palm touching the heading indicator. Extend your thumb outward. If it’s a L turn for the hold you hold up your right hand. R turn for the hold use your left hand. Just put it up right over the center of the heading indicator. If your outbound heading is displayed in the opening between your fingers and thumb, it’s a teardrop (hence the teardrop shape it makes in your hand). If the out bound heading is under your fingers it’s parallel, because your fingers are parallel to each other. And if it’s below a line drawn down your thumb across your wrist (bottom half of the case) then it’s direct. Other options include “unable” or “cancel IFR” lol
Sometimes I get it right, but when I’m under a heavier workload, I don’t always get the “which holding entry are we going to use?” when my CFII asks’...😅😂
Hey Jason love the videos and your overall philosophy. How do I learn about your mountain flying classes? Also, any chance your e-book will go on sale again?
Sometimes I get it right, but when I’m under a heavier workload, I don’t always get the “which holding entry are we going to use?” when my CFII asks’...😅😂
I just draw it out on paper...I found I am really, really terrible at "seeing" it on the instruments. Just like Dirty Harry says, "A man's got to know his limitations."
Excellent, Jason. I'm working on my instrument with steam gauges and really like the two step process of visualizing then cross-checking your decision with the "automated" method. By the way, the Oscar pattern is in effect here in CT. Thanks for sharing!
The picture you had with the dotted line is not the way Martha King depicted it on King Schools or how my CFII has taught a parallel entry. They don't go outside the "racetrack". Help?!?!?
Matt Basford I’m not sure I understand. You cross the fix first and fly parallel and opposite to (but slightly outside of) the holding course. What were you taught?
@@TheFinerPoints you cross the fix and then turn and fly away from the fix on the reciprocal heading for 1 min. Then you make a 270° turn to intercept the heading inside the "racetrack". I wish I could post a picture of the diagram with Martha King standing in the picture showing it. I can email you that picture if you will give me an email address
@@mattbasford6299 yeah show me, cause it doesn't make sense. If you cross the fix you are by definition "outside" the racetrack no matter how she draws it. jason@learnthefinerpoints.com
@@TheFinerPoints also, I just passed my IFR written last week. I made an 82, which wasn't great. I never understood the HSI and how to determine your position relative to the VOR. I missed every HSI interpretation question which was 5 out of the 9 questions I messed.
I think Matt is saying martha wants him staying in the protected side of the hold for the entry? Some parallel entry diagrams show you turning immediately after overflying the fix, so instead of "parelleling" the inbound course off to the side, you're exactly on the inbound course, flying outbound until you do your turn. I think that's what he's saying anyway.
Really great video, I think ONE major point for students being introduced to holds for the first time is this: BEFORE determining your entry you MUST be heading directly to the FIX (station). This confused my students early on when given hold instructions and they weren't headed to the fix yet. They would determine an entry based on their current heading rather than on the heading to the fix. Happy landings!
Finer points takes my Xplane skill to the next level LOL
Great tips Jason. This is good enough to instruct the instrument instructors, not just the instrument students. Hopefully all pilots recognize that we should all be students, forever learning.
Thanks! I hope other instructors can use it. I feel lucky for the great CFII I had ... waaaay back in the day.
CFII candidate here thinking the same thing!
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@Jesse Stetson Instablaster :)
@Gustavo Tyler Thanks so much for your reply. I found the site on google and I'm in the hacking process atm.
Takes quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.
I've always been nervous about visualizing HP entries in flight. But this video and graphic presentations just allayed my fears and doubts about pattern entries. HPs is all about perspective, visualization, and projection and you nailed it all in this video Jason. Thank you for that.
Kelvin Scale awesome! 🙌
5T Rule, this is what I learned at Aviation Academy Austria. Great to see that you also do this :)
Hi Jason, longtime lurker here - great videos, my first time looking at IFR stuff so a little confused by one point in this video - the exact angles for the parallel entry. In the video you say, and your diagram shows a turn to parallel the radial when you cross the fix; from there, you fly for 1 minute. The part I'm confused about is at one point you say turn to Three Zero Zero, but the example in the video is three three zero. So the initial turn to parallel when crossing the fix wouldn't be parallel, but 30 degrees to the left of parallel. Can you clarify that? Cheers!
Hey Jason, I'm a big fan of your videos and I was wondering here, when you say "this is the way you're flying right now" (1:33) you mean that the airplane is always flying towards the course of its heading, right? regardless of the to/from flag
Just subscribed, thinking about going ifr ,thanx
the conventions of the aviation industry rely too much on human accuracies and judgement, so many variables, why not pilot can simply enter their choice of destination press a button or say a command, and all the AI ATC's enroute can remotely control coordinate all the flights in busy airspace before, during, and after the aircrafts chosen flight plan! So much easier, it would be like having an Airplane version of the Tesla! Then all the aircrafts can fly right next to each other like the flying cars of Coruscant!
Another great video/tips, seems like this was the day to upload videos - HA!
Out of all the ways of finding out a holding entry, this thumb method is undoubtedly the best and easiest if you understand the concept. After a few practices, it would take you a second to figure out the entry, trust me, it will definitely work.
Thanks for this video, should help everyone doing their Instrument Flying.
It is! But I definitely use it as a confirmation and not a primary way of determining the entry ... most of the time.
Comparing the thumb method to FAA Instrument holding pattern test prep questions don’t work at all. If I draw it out I get the correct entry every time, when I do the thumb I get the correct answer about 20% of the time. Does the thumb method not depict the correct layout of the entries?
You don’t actually prove nor try to prove hypotheses true. Instead you try to show them false and so long as you fail show them false you presume them true. That is why hypotheses must be falsifiable else they’re not actually hypotheses.
Wow, great perspective. I wish I had seen this video back when I was doing my instrument rating.
Does the thumb always go on the 90 degree from the fix?
Another great way is to hold your hand up palm away from you (“stop” sign) with your palm touching the heading indicator. Extend your thumb outward. If it’s a L turn for the hold you hold up your right hand. R turn for the hold use your left hand. Just put it up right over the center of the heading indicator. If your outbound heading is displayed in the opening between your fingers and thumb, it’s a teardrop (hence the teardrop shape it makes in your hand). If the out bound heading is under your fingers it’s parallel, because your fingers are parallel to each other. And if it’s below a line drawn down your thumb across your wrist (bottom half of the case) then it’s direct. Other options include “unable” or “cancel IFR” lol
Great tips
Sometimes I get it right, but when I’m under a heavier workload, I don’t always get the “which holding entry are we going to use?” when my CFII asks’...😅😂
Such a cool feeling when this clicks for a student
Hey Jason love the videos and your overall philosophy. How do I learn about your mountain flying classes? Also, any chance your e-book will go on sale again?
Thanks Miles! You can go here for more informtaion -- I hope you can join us sometime! adventure.learnthefinerpoints.com/
Sometimes I get it right, but when I’m under a heavier workload, I don’t always get the “which holding entry are we going to use?” when my CFII asks’...😅😂
I just draw it out on paper...I found I am really, really terrible at "seeing" it on the instruments. Just like Dirty Harry says, "A man's got to know his limitations."
I can respect that. But only after only after an hour of ground with no airplane in sight 😜
Love these nuggets of knowledge thanks
always worth watching :)
GG Aviation 🙏🏻🙌
Excellent, Jason. I'm working on my instrument with steam gauges and really like the two step process of visualizing then cross-checking your decision with the "automated" method. By the way, the Oscar pattern is in effect here in CT. Thanks for sharing!
On Course Drones awesome! I love it 🙌
The picture you had with the dotted line is not the way Martha King depicted it on King Schools or how my CFII has taught a parallel entry. They don't go outside the "racetrack". Help?!?!?
Matt Basford I’m not sure I understand. You cross the fix first and fly parallel and opposite to (but slightly outside of) the holding course. What were you taught?
@@TheFinerPoints you cross the fix and then turn and fly away from the fix on the reciprocal heading for 1 min. Then you make a 270° turn to intercept the heading inside the "racetrack". I wish I could post a picture of the diagram with Martha King standing in the picture showing it. I can email you that picture if you will give me an email address
@@mattbasford6299 yeah show me, cause it doesn't make sense. If you cross the fix you are by definition "outside" the racetrack no matter how she draws it. jason@learnthefinerpoints.com
@@TheFinerPoints also, I just passed my IFR written last week. I made an 82, which wasn't great. I never understood the HSI and how to determine your position relative to the VOR. I missed every HSI interpretation question which was 5 out of the 9 questions I messed.
I think Matt is saying martha wants him staying in the protected side of the hold for the entry? Some parallel entry diagrams show you turning immediately after overflying the fix, so instead of "parelleling" the inbound course off to the side, you're exactly on the inbound course, flying outbound until you do your turn. I think that's what he's saying anyway.
I got lost at reverse sensing.
These tips, they help. Watch the whole video and don’t skip
Still confusing
This helped a lot... though I’m still clueless on how to enter a hold given the heading assigned. Excited for the Patreon Video
Did the patreon video help?
@@TheFinerPoints Yeah it did thank you for that. I think i just need to connect the all the dots.
Absolutely great !
Great!!!!