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I'm glad you found a nice sponsor which is more miniature/hobby related. When signin up for the capaign starter notification though, I cannot answer "where did you hear about us?" with youtube or Trovarion. Also nice video, always great to see one of them popping up in the notifications
With the speedpaint metallics I've had great success with putting them over one layer of Vallejo metal colour aluminium. Instead of the white coming through you get that nice silver metallic highlight. Looks particularly good with blueish tinted enchanted steel or the green tinted aztec gold.
@trovarion it was a question for lester on what vallejo aluminum he used if it was white or dull alluminium. I don't have silver in my paint inventory and have considered using aluminum.
Nice review. I really appreciate how you take the time to research these things. It demonstrates a level of professionalism not shown by many other content creators. Also, i know it wasn't the topic of your video, but damn your leather effect looks amazing!
My favourite metal colours are the Green Stuff World Chrome series metal paints, especially antique gold. Those colours really look like solid gold, they almost have a mirror finish and have extreme coverage. Their true metal look makes them stand out a bit but depending on which effect you want to achieve, they are perfect. On my Saurus Warriors they make all the gold components shine bright like real gold. I only use a pin wash into the recesses and thats it, the reflections and the shine comes from the light and the surroundings, like real gold would.
@@KevinoftheCosmos definately do a test model first and protect the Gold layer with a gloss varnish, because it easily catches finger prints and can be scratched.
Pragmatically, I’ve found two really good uses for these metals: 1. The Broadsword Silver over black makes a perfect and quick way to paint metallic tank tracks. 2. They’re useful for things like Chaos Marines if you’re priming white and don’t want to have to base all the metal trim bits before using regular metallics on them. I haven’t noticed the separation issues you have, let alone the paint almost fighting being re-mixed. Any chance it was a bad batch?
I can give you one advice for speedpaint metallics. Apply polished silver as base and once dry apply Sand golem with 50/50 mix with speedpaint medium. You'll get a great brass colour.
I love working with metallic paints. I think people get way too hung up on NMM, but a well done true metallic piece is, in my opinion, vastly superior to an equally well done NMM. I should also mention a bad NMM job looks REALLY bad.
I agree. And honestly even top tier NMM is wierd looking to me. It looks out of place to me. I am a fan of more grimdark style and NMM breaks the immersion for me. Even when done well it looks like really good NMM paint job not authentic.
@@manga3040 I think it also kinda depends on what you're painting. NMM works very well for a bust or collection piece with very specific lighting and composition and even possibly a background, where you essentially have one set viewing angle. For a gaming piece - no matter how much or little effort you put into it - true metallics just look better. You view these pieces from all possible angles, and while NMM CAN work okay for this if it's extremely well-executed, it usually just doesn't.
I got the recent new set of the Army painter ones, the metallics are insanely good. I dont think ive ever enjoyed painting and airbrushing with metals as much as these ones, i was genuinely surprised at how well they cover and how "deep" the colors are with a single layer. However...I did also have mixing issues with a few of the colors, where they're almost like runny inks with flakes more than "metal" colors.
Good comprehensive review of interesting hobby products that were sent to you...I have an older Army Painter metallic and still use it to this day(wish I could say the same about the old acrylics), not sure I'll find a use for the speed metallics but the rest of their product line look sound. Thanks again for the review! 🙇
This is absolutely fantastic review of a paint bottles. Very in-depth, especially with a background and huge skill level of Trov. I wish all paint reviews were this deep from such skilled masters.
The new Vallejo model color is genuinely amazing. I find it very much on par with AK 3rd gen, if not better with lighter colors. I've been really struggling to find metallic paints that I like. Ak 3rd gen is what I've gone back to because it's just easy to control with a good finish. I may end up trying fanatic metallics because speedpaint metallics are so runny that I find them really tough to control
I am glad to see that the "new" Tainted Gold is just as good as the "old" one; I was afraid they might drop the colour from the range (as they did with Night Scales, of which I bought some extra bottles) and that would have been a shame, as I use it a lot - I painted all the armour on Ionus Cryptborn's dragon with it and it looks great next to a deep red. It also takes well to a lot of different hues of washes like purple, green, black, brown, etc. Very versatile, just as you mention in the video!
I just wish that now Vallejo has reformulated their Game Colour, Game Air and Model Colour, they will think very hard about extending the Metal Colour range to have more golds, coppers, bronze and brass. Maybe even some coloured metallics.
I use a mix of 3:2 Hoard Bronze : Shining Silver to create a gorgeous and easy to use bronze / brass ish color that I just love. Hoard Bronze does indeed tend to separate quite badly in the bottle, so it has been giving my vortex mixer a good workout😂
my current approach is using vallejo silver from new range and then speedpaints to change it into real metal. I use lots of bronze and Brownish decay is great. For steel I use usually Runic grey. Sometimes I use some extremly dark colors for wrought iron look
I could have done with this video a couple of weeks ago when I was desperately searching for decent workhorse metallics 🤣 But, I got a set of fanatic metallics and have not been disappointed! Although now I need to get tainted gold and mithril because those aren't in the core set. Great video as always
This is very interesting. Most other content creators who talked about the emtallics seemed to prefer the speedpaints over the new Fanatics ones. I wonder if something was off with your batch of paint.
Here's hoping to see you give paints away via raffle outside of Patreon, I'm always trying to expand my paint collection and I've been a friend for both Army Painter and Vallejo lately!
Just got a selection of these paints, was going to try them over metalic bases such as silver so the highlights are metalic. Have zenithal primed a minature with black gloss primer and silver ink for the first try but haven't had chance to try it out yet.
They asked me which colors I wanted to try and added some of their picks and put them in a 72 pieces carying case for me. As far as I know they don't have full sets available yet, no.
I wish I had the problem of people sending me paints, I'm unable to paint minis rn because either my paints are too old, or I don't have the colour I need lmfao
It's not a problem...it's just funny how this triggered companies to send me more paints. I will give these away locally to people who need them as I did with my old paints.
I wonder if you could get a good grimdark look by treating the speedpaints like a glaze and build them up in thin layers over a black base coat. Maybe even using a sponge like in the space marine videos. Really not sure because i haven't used speed paints or contrast paints much.
I love the material man! I will work on my metallics I promise (right now I'm starting with speedpaint and work on that). Though when you said "Let's look at the final results" and I've seen this: th-cam.com/video/UrlbZddNO0Q/w-d-xo.html I thought... Man, this can't be "the final result" :D
Awesome video and great to see some versatility in these paints that I wouldn't otherwise have much interest in! I might have missed this in the video but are the paints that you are using for shades (your Burnt Umber, Dark Sienna etc.) oils or acrylics?
I'm a bit concerned about the safety introductions on the back of Vallejo metallic range. What's your take on this? Do you use a respirator while working with them?
I've been using their Enchanted Steel speedpaint for basic blades when I'm feeling lazy, and it's really easy to use and the colour is really nice, I wonder if you got a bad batch?
Lol it's awesome you get swnd paints. I have 2x tried to order the new vallejo game Color range but both got canceled. Local shops don't want to buy it they want to sell what they have in stock😢
I didn't have the same issues with hoard bronze or enchanted steel. I'm wondering if the bottles may have hit a temperature extreme. I've had similar issues crop up with contrast paints, but only ones that went through the mail in winter and likely froze at some point.
I have the feeling that even if you had painted these minis with a rock and the cheapest paint from the hardware store, you would be able to make them look good. The problem with Army Painter is the consistency of their products from batch to batch. They can change their recipes and rebrand their product all they want. Unless they had their all quality process revamped, it will turn to sh*t after few months of production.
Yeah it is! I couldn't get hold of my contacts at armypainter for a while, but they confirmed it after they watched the video. So it's really cool in a way to have a 1 layer product like that.
I have the older army painter metallics, and I HATE the bronze and copper. They are awful. Bad coverage, gel-like texture, hard to clean out of brushes. Glad to hear they improved at least the broze to "usable", at least.
see...that's interesting and I have to try it! But I thought about that as some people already suggested it and at that point I think I would just stick to my approach of one layer of metal and then tinting it with an ink or contrast paint. That's just as fast and I already have some matting that I can work with.
could have still had some coincidental properties that would have made them work for other things. I wasn't complaining, just seeing if I could come up with something.
The best golds though are GW Retributor Armour and Scale 75 Necro and Dwarven gold. I agree though you can make so many good metallics by mixing in other colours - the Vallejo MCS are the best all rounders
With enchanted steel, I’ve been useing it for a bit now, and didn’t have the same problem as you. So I went and grabbed it to try it out, after it has been sitting on the shelf for a few months. And after about 10 to 15 seconds worth of shaking everything was perfectly suspended and took like 7+ minutes for me to start to see any pigment starting to settle.
@@manshowjugyyes7235 i mean...it's a one coat thing. You apply one coat and you have the effect. I don't think i could do a valuable video with that premise.
@@trovarion So sorry, I skipped ahead and missed the frame where you showed the exact four VMC paints. May I ask if you definitely added any of these newer paints to your metallic rotation then?
@@markselorio5837 all good my man. So tainted gold definitely goes into my options of highlight colors for gold. Weapon Bronze is my new copper go to and Mithril would work as a replacement for my steel highlight color, but I still got a full bottle of white aluminium.
Gave my old paints away to new painters at a local painting event, will do the same with these. If I wouldn't do that I would not accept any paints as I don't need them. but this way I can review them and they end up with someone who needs them.
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I'm glad you found a nice sponsor which is more miniature/hobby related. When signin up for the capaign starter notification though, I cannot answer "where did you hear about us?" with youtube or Trovarion.
Also nice video, always great to see one of them popping up in the notifications
„I just wanna try some metallics“ - continues to casual paint the most awsome skin and clothes ever. Fantastischer paint job!
With the speedpaint metallics I've had great success with putting them over one layer of Vallejo metal colour aluminium. Instead of the white coming through you get that nice silver metallic highlight. Looks particularly good with blueish tinted enchanted steel or the green tinted aztec gold.
thats a cool trick
white aluminum, or dull???
@@Mike_in_Can what exactly are you asking my man?
@trovarion it was a question for lester on what vallejo aluminum he used if it was white or dull alluminium. I don't have silver in my paint inventory and have considered using aluminum.
Nice review. I really appreciate how you take the time to research these things. It demonstrates a level of professionalism not shown by many other content creators.
Also, i know it wasn't the topic of your video, but damn your leather effect looks amazing!
My favourite metal colours are the Green Stuff World Chrome series metal paints, especially antique gold. Those colours really look like solid gold, they almost have a mirror finish and have extreme coverage. Their true metal look makes them stand out a bit but depending on which effect you want to achieve, they are perfect. On my Saurus Warriors they make all the gold components shine bright like real gold. I only use a pin wash into the recesses and thats it, the reflections and the shine comes from the light and the surroundings, like real gold would.
Their chrome is amazing. I did some Elven shields in chrome and they look amazing. GSW get a bad rep at times and its not justified imo...
Whoa. I'm gonna get in on that for my Stormcast models.
@@KevinoftheCosmos definately do a test model first and protect the Gold layer with a gloss varnish, because it easily catches finger prints and can be scratched.
@@Nakai_the_WandererThanks for the advice. Much appreciated!
dude I checked out their color range and bloody hell they all look amazing. Might try them out. How airbrush friendly are they?
Pragmatically, I’ve found two really good uses for these metals:
1. The Broadsword Silver over black makes a perfect and quick way to paint metallic tank tracks.
2. They’re useful for things like Chaos Marines if you’re priming white and don’t want to have to base all the metal trim bits before using regular metallics on them.
I haven’t noticed the separation issues you have, let alone the paint almost fighting being re-mixed. Any chance it was a bad batch?
I can give you one advice for speedpaint metallics. Apply polished silver as base and once dry apply Sand golem with 50/50 mix with speedpaint medium. You'll get a great brass colour.
Glad to see you painting again. I've been really enjoying painting with metallics lately so this is very timely.
I love working with metallic paints. I think people get way too hung up on NMM, but a well done true metallic piece is, in my opinion, vastly superior to an equally well done NMM.
I should also mention a bad NMM job looks REALLY bad.
I agree. And honestly even top tier NMM is wierd looking to me. It looks out of place to me. I am a fan of more grimdark style and NMM breaks the immersion for me. Even when done well it looks like really good NMM paint job not authentic.
@@manga3040 I think it also kinda depends on what you're painting. NMM works very well for a bust or collection piece with very specific lighting and composition and even possibly a background, where you essentially have one set viewing angle. For a gaming piece - no matter how much or little effort you put into it - true metallics just look better. You view these pieces from all possible angles, and while NMM CAN work okay for this if it's extremely well-executed, it usually just doesn't.
So fascinating watching you paint. Simply amazing work.
Fun fact - mica changes colour based on how large the crystal fragment is.
I got the recent new set of the Army painter ones, the metallics are insanely good. I dont think ive ever enjoyed painting and airbrushing with metals as much as these ones, i was genuinely surprised at how well they cover and how "deep" the colors are with a single layer. However...I did also have mixing issues with a few of the colors, where they're almost like runny inks with flakes more than "metal" colors.
It's so satisfying to add washes and shades to TMM elements to give them a weathered look.
8:25 that cut was so impressive just how much in the same spot you were, I almost didn't notice.
Good comprehensive review of interesting hobby products that were sent to you...I have an older Army Painter metallic and still use it to this day(wish I could say the same about the old acrylics), not sure I'll find a use for the speed metallics but the rest of their product line look sound. Thanks again for the review! 🙇
This is absolutely fantastic review of a paint bottles. Very in-depth, especially with a background and huge skill level of Trov. I wish all paint reviews were this deep from such skilled masters.
The new Vallejo model color is genuinely amazing. I find it very much on par with AK 3rd gen, if not better with lighter colors. I've been really struggling to find metallic paints that I like. Ak 3rd gen is what I've gone back to because it's just easy to control with a good finish. I may end up trying fanatic metallics because speedpaint metallics are so runny that I find them really tough to control
Tinny Tin from Vallejo is one of my newest favorites.
What a coincidence; I was *just* looking into metallics for some silver highlights on an upcoming project!
I am glad to see that the "new" Tainted Gold is just as good as the "old" one; I was afraid they might drop the colour from the range (as they did with Night Scales, of which I bought some extra bottles) and that would have been a shame, as I use it a lot - I painted all the armour on Ionus Cryptborn's dragon with it and it looks great next to a deep red. It also takes well to a lot of different hues of washes like purple, green, black, brown, etc. Very versatile, just as you mention in the video!
Nurgle Bless, I do enjoy you pushin' paint.
Thanks for the thoughtful review. Superb figures. Looks like I need some more metallic paints !
Great video. There was a lot of solid information in here about all things on metallic paints.
Love the way you painted the shields!
I always figured that the non-metallic metallic paints had mica in it to get a shine, but now it’s confirmed!! Glad my hunch was right!!
Thanks for the additional work lining up the products. It does help seeing the bottles 👍
I just wish that now Vallejo has reformulated their Game Colour, Game Air and Model Colour, they will think very hard about extending the Metal Colour range to have more golds, coppers, bronze and brass. Maybe even some coloured metallics.
Crazy wonderful technique over there
I use a mix of 3:2 Hoard Bronze : Shining Silver to create a gorgeous and easy to use bronze / brass ish color that I just love.
Hoard Bronze does indeed tend to separate quite badly in the bottle, so it has been giving my vortex mixer a good workout😂
my current approach is using vallejo silver from new range and then speedpaints to change it into real metal. I use lots of bronze and Brownish decay is great. For steel I use usually Runic grey. Sometimes I use some extremly dark colors for wrought iron look
That is some beautiful painting.
I've been getting good use out of their Rough Iron for metal bits on some Mordheim scenery. Going to try rusting some of it with Dirty Down rust next.
I could have done with this video a couple of weeks ago when I was desperately searching for decent workhorse metallics 🤣 But, I got a set of fanatic metallics and have not been disappointed! Although now I need to get tainted gold and mithril because those aren't in the core set. Great video as always
I love all your insight and painting tips and guides... They are rally helpful
Awesome, thank you!
This is very interesting. Most other content creators who talked about the emtallics seemed to prefer the speedpaints over the new Fanatics ones. I wonder if something was off with your batch of paint.
Here's hoping to see you give paints away via raffle outside of Patreon, I'm always trying to expand my paint collection and I've been a friend for both Army Painter and Vallejo lately!
dude, you are an incredible painter. Very inspiring for me
Ay this kinda stuff is so inspireing, grand vid mate
Just got a selection of these paints, was going to try them over metalic bases such as silver so the highlights are metalic. Have zenithal primed a minature with black gloss primer and silver ink for the first try but haven't had chance to try it out yet.
I really happy with Scale75 metallic range 😊 I need to try a Vallejo metallic everyone is always recommending.
Oh man I would to get my hands on the full set of new model colors! I love vallejo
Yeah, this is not available in stores yet, right?
@@1brushstudioI have no idea :/ I have a lot of the new game colors but haven’t seen these yet
They asked me which colors I wanted to try and added some of their picks and put them in a 72 pieces carying case for me. As far as I know they don't have full sets available yet, no.
Great video and this just strengthens my avoidance of speed paints, i do like the fanatics as they are a major improvement to the war paints.
Thanks for the level of detail.
I wish I had the problem of people sending me paints, I'm unable to paint minis rn because either my paints are too old, or I don't have the colour I need lmfao
It's not a problem...it's just funny how this triggered companies to send me more paints. I will give these away locally to people who need them as I did with my old paints.
Fantastic work! Thanks for sharing!
I just want that model to use as a test subject. Pie chart shield is perfect for that haha.
I wonder if you could get a good grimdark look by treating the speedpaints like a glaze and build them up in thin layers over a black base coat. Maybe even using a sponge like in the space marine videos.
Really not sure because i haven't used speed paints or contrast paints much.
As i say in the video, fine detail work is not their forte. For glazing would rather recommend the fanatic paints. Same for sponging.
you really took those true metallics to the next level
I love the material man! I will work on my metallics I promise (right now I'm starting with speedpaint and work on that).
Though when you said "Let's look at the final results" and I've seen this: th-cam.com/video/UrlbZddNO0Q/w-d-xo.html I thought... Man, this can't be "the final result" :D
Awesome video and great to see some versatility in these paints that I wouldn't otherwise have much interest in!
I might have missed this in the video but are the paints that you are using for shades (your Burnt Umber, Dark Sienna etc.) oils or acrylics?
sorry, I use them so often in the videos that I keep forgetting not everyone watches every video: Burnt Siena and Burnt Umber are acrylic inks.
I'm a bit concerned about the safety introductions on the back of Vallejo metallic range. What's your take on this? Do you use a respirator while working with them?
Nice review thanks!
Thanks for watching!
I've been using their Enchanted Steel speedpaint for basic blades when I'm feeling lazy, and it's really easy to use and the colour is really nice, I wonder if you got a bad batch?
maybe!
Lol it's awesome you get swnd paints. I have 2x tried to order the new vallejo game Color range but both got canceled. Local shops don't want to buy it they want to sell what they have in stock😢
Get out of my head...just about to get some new metallic paints for my skaventide box
I didn't have the same issues with hoard bronze or enchanted steel. I'm wondering if the bottles may have hit a temperature extreme. I've had similar issues crop up with contrast paints, but only ones that went through the mail in winter and likely froze at some point.
Fantastic effects!!
Another great video, as always.
No comment on the Hoplite Gold? By far the best gold I've used.
didn't try it
I have the feeling that even if you had painted these minis with a rock and the cheapest paint from the hardware store, you would be able to make them look good. The problem with Army Painter is the consistency of their products from batch to batch. They can change their recipes and rebrand their product all they want. Unless they had their all quality process revamped, it will turn to sh*t after few months of production.
Really got me with that early ending joke 😅
12:27 isn't this exactly what speed paints are for? Maybe I missed what kind of product was being used?
Yeah it is! I couldn't get hold of my contacts at armypainter for a while, but they confirmed it after they watched the video. So it's really cool in a way to have a 1 layer product like that.
picture 1: two circles
picture 2: fully painted owl
see, so easy. :DDDDD
...what?
Omg is it lunch time with pretty Patrick already?
Sehr cooles Video. Wieder das ein oder andere dazugelernt
I audibly guffawed at the Patrick Bateman remark
I have the older army painter metallics, and I HATE the bronze and copper. They are awful. Bad coverage, gel-like texture, hard to clean out of brushes. Glad to hear they improved at least the broze to "usable", at least.
You really need to try out darkstar molten metallics
Nice video but it looks like you forgot to paint the metal ring on Patricks back
The AP metallic speed paints work better over a bright silver base 👍
see...that's interesting and I have to try it! But I thought about that as some people already suggested it and at that point I think I would just stick to my approach of one layer of metal and then tinting it with an ink or contrast paint. That's just as fast and I already have some matting that I can work with.
Can those Vallejo metallics for airbrush be used via normal brush too? I've seen them at the store in town here but have never given them a shot.
yes
Great paint job on both
Oh is the raffle still going on if so how do I enter?😅
20:49 IS the ring embedded under his skin or did you forget to paint it? I think the ring being under the skin would be badass and gross.
Think I need some Tainted gold😅
It's one of the best metallics at the moment
@@SvartElric9 definitely seems to be very useful. Looking forward to having a play with some
You the man Mr T. ;)
I guess they are called speed paints for a reason, dont think the targeted buyer is golden demon winners. xP
could have still had some coincidental properties that would have made them work for other things. I wasn't complaining, just seeing if I could come up with something.
tainted gold = ice yellow metallic
i see what you did there
Thanks
"Somehow decent" he said
The best golds though are GW Retributor Armour and Scale 75 Necro and Dwarven gold. I agree though you can make so many good metallics by mixing in other colours - the Vallejo MCS are the best all rounders
All this talk about aluminium and other metallics had me seriously question my brushlicking habits....
I prefer Vallejo metallics!
With enchanted steel, I’ve been useing it for a bit now, and didn’t have the same problem as you. So I went and grabbed it to try it out, after it has been sitting on the shelf for a few months. And after about 10 to 15 seconds worth of shaking everything was perfectly suspended and took like 7+ minutes for me to start to see any pigment starting to settle.
sometimes you lose, sometimes the others win.
Yarrrrrhooo…perfect.
Speedpaint need slapshot 👍
Have u tried any hyper shift colors like those found in car coating to change from blue to black or red to black depending on the lighting
I just don't see a usecase for it in mini painting. unless you are painting a lot of insects.
@@trovarion ....insects??? Like tyranids, or the plague flys of nurgle?
Plz make a video on this topic!!
@@manshowjugyyes7235 i mean...it's a one coat thing. You apply one coat and you have the effect. I don't think i could do a valuable video with that premise.
cool...but how do they taste?
I went from GW metals to Vallejo Metal Color, gave away all my old GW metals
Oh yeah Vallejo's model color metallics aren't good. The Metal Colors line, however, is excellent.
Which exactly are the four though?
Edit: Disregard, skipped the video frame. Did you end up adding more to the rotation, and if so which ones?
The four what?
@@trovarionAh, I'm mistaken and skipped the video frame where you showed them. Apologies.
@@markselorio5837 i am still confused :D let me know if you need me to clarify anything.
@@trovarion So sorry, I skipped ahead and missed the frame where you showed the exact four VMC paints.
May I ask if you definitely added any of these newer paints to your metallic rotation then?
@@markselorio5837 all good my man. So tainted gold definitely goes into my options of highlight colors for gold. Weapon Bronze is my new copper go to and Mithril would work as a replacement for my steel highlight color, but I still got a full bottle of white aluminium.
„MOM! NEW TROVARION VIDEO IS OUT! CAN’T CUT THE GRASS NOW!“
Still trying to get my custodes gold to look right...
To any person at any paint company, I'm also going through my paints, please send me all the free samples and stuff k thanx
Gave my old paints away to new painters at a local painting event, will do the same with these. If I wouldn't do that I would not accept any paints as I don't need them. but this way I can review them and they end up with someone who needs them.
We already have Vallejo metal colours. We don’t need more metallics.
Vince gave us the recipe for the best gold paint. It’s great.
❤
no doubt the best living miniature painter .
sad but true
"Speed Paints" are not worth to buy. I have pigment problem with almost half of range.
Yarrrrrrrrrrhoooooo 😅
Who else is here at 3 am
830pm in Brisbane mate
11:30am here
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