Their was a small museum dedicated to Wallace Hartley in the Colne Valley town hall until about five years when the council wanted the space back. I managed to contact the former curator via Facebook after it closed to purchase some of the memorabilia that was being stored in his house.
I'm thinking of scenarios that would explain how the violin was separated from Hartley after or during his body's recovery. Just seeing the violin in this video brings a feeling of great reverence. I'm binging on your videos and am stumped as to why you don't have an enormous audience. I hope you keep producing!
Very good research, thanks! I'm coming from the Forgotten Australia Episode about the Australian hero of the Titanic, Bosun Albert Nichols, which reminded me about this Orchestra... so I went looking for some more info on these men, who, faced with death, found themselves a deed worth doing. And maybe Mr. Hartley, as the band's leader stayer on longest, sending his men off to supposed safety.... which might somehow explain that he was found, but none of the other musicians. But maybe it was his violin, which kept him afloat... What a find! I'm absolutely sure the case had been separated from him by the time the inventory was made and bureaucratic mills would have mislaid it, but it was easily possible to find whom it had belonged to, and people of different sorts helped Maria to get it, as stated in her diary. One more thing: I'm sure all catastrophes bring out heroes (as ell as cowards) just like the Titanic did. In my opinion her importance is in her likeness to Babylon: an unimaginably huge ship, proclaimed unsinkable, going down almost immediately. Without the tragic and so unnecessary loss of lives it would be 😂, but because of this tragic part, it's absolutely epic. Looking forward to see your other episodes!
Another interesting & well produced video. I have been fascinated for years by the Titanic. I met Millvina Dean, Eva Hart & Edith Haisman when they were still alive. The Museum at Belfast with the Nomadic was a fantastic visit. The Thompson Graving dock was still open. To stand in there with the Cassen gate behind me was something i will never forget. Time for another visit to see the Violin methinks. Thanks again.
Thank you for watching! How amazing to have met both Miss Dean and Hart. Belfast and the Nomadic hold a very special place in my heart, as I imagine they do for any Titanic buff, I visit often. Thanks again for supporting my channel 👍🏻😁
I know right! I’m from Norfolk which is known for being very flat. So I was constantly out of breath walking around the place. 😂. Thank you for watching 👍🏻
@@BeyondTheTitanic haha I spend a lot of time in Colne! It’s a great town (they close off all of Albert Road for a music festival every August bank holiday it’s truly amazing and I think Wallace Hartley would’ve loved to have seen that) The Crown is a great pub to live next to too😂 he really is well-remembered round here and especially this time of year. We had a lovely memorial service 2 years ago on the 110th anniversary with a live orchestral band and our local historian telling tales of the ship and Wallace Hartley. Hope to see you round here again and my door is always open for a brew and chat all things Titanic!
It was so nice to see a place embracing its link to the Titanic and to be honest it was quite moving, I hope I did his story proud with this episode. no doubt I shall be back up that way again soon.
Ah, I really enjoyed this. I do love your presenting style and thank you for including what happened to Maria at the end as I was going to ask if you knew what had happened to her. I can't help but think that Wallace made a point of storing away his violin. It was the thing that connected him to his fiancée and what he could have with him in his final moments. So sad. I also wonder whether it was simply overlooked at the time his body was recovered by people who didn't put any value to an instrument they couldn't relate to, unlike watches and pens, those personal items that most people would have kept upon their person.Great stuff though, thank you. I learnt lot today, including it can be SS or RMS Titanic.
I just paused the video at 7 mins to comment, your research is superb and the back story and timeline are fantastic and create a real image of the life and times of this Gentleman and his family. I'm from blackburn, just down the road from Colne really. And I'm proud of our northern figures. None more so than Wallace
Thank you for the great presentations in these videos and the wealth of information and visits to locations. You are appreciated all over the world for your efforts Thank you again
Thanks for the question. I’m trying to get more episodes out as soon as possible but I work full time so it takes some time. Episode Nine: The Money Boat should be out within the next month or two.
I thorouhgly enjoyed this latest episode. I always wondered what happened to Wallace's violin after the arrival of the Carpathia to New York. Thank you so much for clearing up this one up. As usual your commentary is A1 and 1st class. I recently went to see the Titanic exhibition for the 2nd time. Its amazing how they can go so deep into the ocean to retreive these artifacts. Can't wait for future exhibitions and your next episode.
Excellent vlog, I just subscribed! Looking forward to more from a Titanic fan, always remember these amazing souls around the anniversary, never to be forgotten. Such galantry forever lost.🙏❤️
I own the front cover of Starland, part of the sheet music found with the violin. It's my prized item and I have recently agreed to loan it out to a museum.
@BeyondTheTitanic I'm very privileged to own such a thing. It undersold at auction in 2013 and it's worth an absolute fortune. I live in York so not far away from where the violin was discovered.
York is a very fine city. My sister lives there and I’m often visiting. Particularly around the festive season because it’s so beautiful, although it gets very busy.
I actually agree on this. I try not to delve too much into speculation without any form of evidence but I suspect something like this may have happened.
I make violins as a hobby. Violin makers use the same type of glue for 400 years. We make our own glue, it's called hide glue. Made from animal hide. Water would destroy the glue. We use hide glue because it is brittle. Violins are made to be taken apart just in case the violin needs to be repaired. The glue for this violin, is suspicious.
@@BeyondTheTitanic I do not think it is the original violin. Violins are in a class of their own. Handmade violins are made the same way since Stradivarius was alive. The wood used for a violin, comes from the northern side of the Alps. We make our own stains, varnishes and hide glue. In the same way. I do not think DNA testing could reveal anything much. I can go to a pet store and purchase animal hide chew pieces for my dog. I can cut them into little pieces and put them in a crock pot with a little bit water. In a few hours I will have "Hide GLue". Violins are delicate works of art. The humidity in the air can damage a violin.
@@michaeljoyce-q6sand yet violins have survived being in seawater before and even remained playable. Hartleys violin was in a nearly waterproof leather case. Overwhelming evidence including forensics show it has sea salt deposits in the bodywork and is probably genuine.
@@purplepoppyz I have beyond reasonable evidence that that violin was not Wallace Hartley's Violin , it is forgery. I am writing a book on the matter.⁷
Very interesting. While I had heard of WHH, and his band many times, I never knew the story of his violin, that it had been recovered and sold at auction. Too bad it wasn't returned to his descendants. Thanks for an excellent and informative video.
@@BeyondTheTitanic Basic fickleness on my part to be honest. Also, RMS is a title that carried a certain amount of prestige, and perhaps some may feel the use of SS is disrespectful to the ship. That said, your series is excellent so far, looking forward to more.
A correct title of address for a ship is important. I'd expect a yank to get her title wrong, but someone from this country no excuse. To use the wrong title or name is like using the wrong name or title for a person. It is bad etiquette.
So I looked this upon after seeing the headstone to Wallace Hartley refers to the ship as 'SS". From what I have read it is not incorrect to refer to her as SS Titanic.
Wallace didn't play till water came up that's impossible his violin was in a leather bag and strapped to him so that's 2 to 5 minutes I'd say to do that he can't of done that as he was drowning
Great episode RIP, Mr Hartley, family and the lost souls of the Titanic.🙏🏻
Their was a small museum dedicated to Wallace Hartley in the Colne Valley town hall until about five years when the council wanted the space back. I managed to contact the former curator via Facebook after it closed to purchase some of the memorabilia that was being stored in his house.
Wow such a shame they closed it down. Pretty cool you got to purchase some stuff though.
Just "❤" your way..and your child.😊
I'm thinking of scenarios that would explain how the violin was separated from Hartley after or during his body's recovery. Just seeing the violin in this video brings a feeling of great reverence. I'm binging on your videos and am stumped as to why you don't have an enormous audience. I hope you keep producing!
Thank you for all your kind comments. I’m glad you’re enjoying the episodes. Some new content will be coming soon 😁
I had the opportunity to see this violin and hear the story at the Titanic Exhibit in Branson, MO several years back. It's fascinating.
Very good research, thanks!
I'm coming from the Forgotten Australia Episode about the Australian hero of the Titanic, Bosun Albert Nichols, which reminded me about this Orchestra... so I went looking for some more info on these men, who, faced with death, found themselves a deed worth doing.
And maybe Mr. Hartley, as the band's leader stayer on longest, sending his men off to supposed safety.... which might somehow explain that he was found, but none of the other musicians. But maybe it was his violin, which kept him afloat...
What a find!
I'm absolutely sure the case had been separated from him by the time the inventory was made and bureaucratic mills would have mislaid it, but it was easily possible to find whom it had belonged to, and people of different sorts helped Maria to get it, as stated in her diary.
One more thing: I'm sure all catastrophes bring out heroes (as ell as cowards) just like the Titanic did. In my opinion her importance is in her likeness to Babylon: an unimaginably huge ship, proclaimed unsinkable, going down almost immediately. Without the tragic and so unnecessary loss of lives it would be 😂, but because of this tragic part, it's absolutely epic.
Looking forward to see your other episodes!
Amazing level of research. Learned so much about wallace Hartley. Thank you very much.
please do more videos of these there fun to watch and i learn new stuff
I’m really glad you like the episodes 👍🏻
FINALLY a new upload! 🙏🏻
I just discovered your channel today and have watched all your videos! Thank you so much! 🎉
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Another interesting & well produced video. I have been fascinated for years by the Titanic. I met Millvina Dean, Eva Hart & Edith Haisman when they were still alive. The Museum at Belfast with the Nomadic was a fantastic visit. The Thompson Graving dock was still open. To stand in there with the Cassen gate behind me was something i will never forget. Time for another visit to see the Violin methinks. Thanks again.
Thank you for watching! How amazing to have met both Miss Dean and Hart. Belfast and the Nomadic hold a very special place in my heart, as I imagine they do for any Titanic buff, I visit often. Thanks again for supporting my channel 👍🏻😁
Great video as always. So informative and so well structured. Looking forward to your next one 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
What a great video, I'm from Burnley and knowing the walk from his house to the bank would've been a killer every day up that hill!!
I know right! I’m from Norfolk which is known for being very flat. So I was constantly out of breath walking around the place. 😂. Thank you for watching 👍🏻
@@BeyondTheTitanic haha I spend a lot of time in Colne! It’s a great town (they close off all of Albert Road for a music festival every August bank holiday it’s truly amazing and I think Wallace Hartley would’ve loved to have seen that) The Crown is a great pub to live next to too😂 he really is well-remembered round here and especially this time of year. We had a lovely memorial service 2 years ago on the 110th anniversary with a live orchestral band and our local historian telling tales of the ship and Wallace Hartley. Hope to see you round here again and my door is always open for a brew and chat all things Titanic!
It was so nice to see a place embracing its link to the Titanic and to be honest it was quite moving, I hope I did his story proud with this episode. no doubt I shall be back up that way again soon.
Not only very interesting this was very entertaining. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Fascinating! Thank you for sharing. I wonder where they found Maria's diary?
Ah, I really enjoyed this. I do love your presenting style and thank you for including what happened to Maria at the end as I was going to ask if you knew what had happened to her. I can't help but think that Wallace made a point of storing away his violin. It was the thing that connected him to his fiancée and what he could have with him in his final moments. So sad. I also wonder whether it was simply overlooked at the time his body was recovered by people who didn't put any value to an instrument they couldn't relate to, unlike watches and pens, those personal items that most people would have kept upon their person.Great stuff though, thank you. I learnt lot today, including it can be SS or RMS Titanic.
Thank you for the comment. I’m really glad you liked the episode. Some new content will be coming soon 😁
What a SAD STORY 😢
I just paused the video at 7 mins to comment, your research is superb and the back story and timeline are fantastic and create a real image of the life and times of this Gentleman and his family. I'm from blackburn, just down the road from Colne really. And I'm proud of our northern figures. None more so than Wallace
Thank you for the comment. I’m really pleased you liked the episode 😁
@@BeyondTheTitanic was superb mate
Excellent content, thank you sir.
Superb video...I enjoy them all and found this one exceptional. Thank you.
Thank you so much 😁
Superb episode
Thank you for the great presentations in these videos and the wealth of information and visits to locations. You are appreciated all over the world for your efforts Thank you again
What a lovely comment. I appreciate your kind words and I’m so glad you enjoy my content. Some new videos will be coming soon 😁👍🏻
When is next video coming out???
Thanks for the question. I’m trying to get more episodes out as soon as possible but I work full time so it takes some time. Episode Nine: The Money Boat should be out within the next month or two.
Fascinating work, excellent
Thank you so much 😁
I thorouhgly enjoyed this latest episode. I always wondered what happened to Wallace's violin after the arrival of the Carpathia to New York. Thank you so much for clearing up this one up. As usual your commentary is A1 and 1st class. I recently went to see the Titanic exhibition for the 2nd time. Its amazing how they can go so deep into the ocean to retreive these artifacts. Can't wait for future exhibitions and your next episode.
Thank you for your kind comments. I’m so glad you like the episode.
Was recommended this video through everyone's friendly algorithm. Have subscribed and am in the process of binging your videos.
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Excellent story!
Superb video, as always. ❤
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Congratulations on an excellent video about Wallace Hartley!
Thank you so much. I’m so happy you like it.
Excellent vlog, I just subscribed! Looking forward to more from a Titanic fan, always remember these amazing souls around the anniversary, never to be forgotten. Such galantry forever lost.🙏❤️
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Love this episode thanks so much.
I own the front cover of Starland, part of the sheet music found with the violin. It's my prized item and I have recently agreed to loan it out to a museum.
Wow that’s awesome. I did look at bidding on some of the sheet music but suffice to say it went way, WAY out of my budget 😂.
@BeyondTheTitanic I'm very privileged to own such a thing. It undersold at auction in 2013 and it's worth an absolute fortune. I live in York so not far away from where the violin was discovered.
York is a very fine city. My sister lives there and I’m often visiting. Particularly around the festive season because it’s so beautiful, although it gets very busy.
Your amazing thankyou ❤
Aww thank you, I’m so glad you liked it.
Things like this shouldn't be auctioned
It was owned by persons who broke no law by selling it. If the item is on display, then its continued preservation, is more guaranteed.
Amazing episode! Thank you for your great work, please don't stop, I am waiting for more!
Thank you! I shall do my best to keep them coming.
Just wanted to say I seriously love your videos not only for the titanic lore but you're hilarious❤❤❤
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Totally enjoy all of your videos! Thank you so much!
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Nice video very well done, You answered a lot of questions that I had #Aztec73
Always happy to see new content from this channel!
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I feel like its quite likely someone aboard the recovery ship knew the significance at the time and deliberately failed to document its recovery
I actually agree on this. I try not to delve too much into speculation without any form of evidence but I suspect something like this may have happened.
Great video, thank you so much!
Glad you enjoyed it! 👍🏻😁
I am a new subscriber and love finding this channel as i love the Titantic
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Really enjoy your videos!
Thank you ever so much x
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Too bad it can't be refurbished and played again. How eerie that would be.
Your videos are cool
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I make violins as a hobby. Violin makers use the same type of glue for 400 years. We make our own glue, it's called hide glue. Made from animal hide. Water would destroy the glue. We use hide glue because it is brittle. Violins are made to be taken apart just in case the violin needs to be repaired.
The glue for this violin, is suspicious.
Oh really, what a fascinating insight, so I would assume you do not believe it to be genuine….hmmm interesting 🤔
@@BeyondTheTitanic I do not think it is the original violin. Violins are in a class of their own. Handmade violins are made the same way since Stradivarius was alive. The wood used for a violin, comes from the northern side of the Alps. We make our own stains, varnishes and hide glue. In the same way. I do not think DNA testing could reveal anything much.
I can go to a pet store and purchase animal hide chew pieces for my dog.
I can cut them into little pieces and put them in a crock pot with a little bit water.
In a few hours I will have "Hide GLue".
Violins are delicate works of art. The humidity in the air can damage a violin.
@@michaeljoyce-q6sand yet violins have survived being in seawater before and even remained playable. Hartleys violin was in a nearly waterproof leather case. Overwhelming evidence including forensics show it has sea salt deposits in the bodywork and is probably genuine.
@@purplepoppyz I have beyond reasonable evidence that that violin was not Wallace Hartley's Violin , it is forgery.
I am writing a book on the matter.⁷
@@michaeljoyce-q6s excuse me if I don’t believe your claim as you have zero evidence, nor could you have.
Very interesting. While I had heard of WHH, and his band many times, I never knew the story of his violin, that it had been recovered and sold at auction. Too bad it wasn't returned to his descendants. Thanks for an excellent and informative video.
I'm really enjoying your channel. But I must admit, the reporter in the opening montage referring to the "S.S. Titanic" does make me cringe.
Several people have mentioned this and I’m curious as to why it bothers people?
@@BeyondTheTitanic Basic fickleness on my part to be honest. Also, RMS is a title that carried a certain amount of prestige, and perhaps some may feel the use of SS is disrespectful to the ship.
That said, your series is excellent so far, looking forward to more.
A correct title of address for a ship is important. I'd expect a yank to get her title wrong, but someone from this country no excuse. To use the wrong title or name is like using the wrong name or title for a person. It is bad etiquette.
So I looked this upon after seeing the headstone to Wallace Hartley refers to the ship as 'SS". From what I have read it is not incorrect to refer to her as SS Titanic.
Wallace didn't play till water came up that's impossible his violin was in a leather bag and strapped to him so that's 2 to 5 minutes I'd say to do that he can't of done that as he was drowning
Amazing level of research. Learned so much about wallace Hartley. Thank you very much.
Thank you. Really pleased you like the episode.