So Arcade Gannon from the Fallout set might be worth considering. Both The Fourteenth Doctor and Gallifrey Stands only card about Doctors, not Time Lord Doctors. Give the option to draw off of his ability, and can potentially play some cards from the GY
Seems decent and well thought out. Might want to add more evasion though since alot of doctors care about attacking like the war doctor, fugitive doctor, 10th, 11th, 15th, and 7th and to an extent, 3rd, 9th, and 1st (of course 9th doctor isnt really going to matter here) plus Fourteen with haste. For my deckb i have rose noble in the command zone and the only creature that she doesnt trigger for is Alistair, the Brigadier. Also found that Key to the City is perfect for this deck. Gives evasion and card draw plus if you have a doctor in your hand, you can discard it to allow 14th doctor to become it. I also kept the psychic paper to help get in commander damage but also if i have clara oswald out, i can get extra triggers off my companions by changing their creature type to doctor. Also if something is preventing 14 from being useful like a passifism for example, i can use the psychic paper to set off the legend rule and put him back in the command zone.
You can't use Key to the City to let the 14th Doctor become what you discard. He specifically says it needs to go to the graveyard *from your library.*
9:39 I like the combo, but two questions I have with this: 1) Clockspinning's phrasing implies it targets counters, NOT permanents, so would this still trigger Orvars ability, as that only triggers when you target one or more other permanents; 2) Clockspinning can only target counters, NOT permanents, and Orvar only lets you make copies of things targeted by the instant or sorcery, so when you say we can copy Peregrine Drake or lands, even if I am wrong in point #1 about the counters being targeted over the permanents, how would Clockspinning even target Peregrine or the lands in the first place if they don't possess any counters?
@@spencerlindsay7135 That's not correct. It targets permanents. It *chooses* a counter on the permanent that you target. Targeting and choosing are different in magic. This is a well-established combo that's been around since Orvar was first printed. If you're still unsure, feel free to consult additional resources such as Commander Spellbook.
Hey i'm really loving the new gonti, could you make a video about how to make it better? i'll try a more control deck with untaping mana, but i'd love to see other options.
Hmm. That's a tough one. Traditional theft decks often lose focus really easily on account of them not having their own wincons. Just for value though, you should definitely consider - Sage of the Beyond - See the Truth - Surge of Brilliance - Poxwalkers - Savvy Trader - Sisterhood of Karn - The Thirteenth Doctor
can you help with a be'lakor the dark master? I've brewed and scrapped the deck about 4 times now because I can't seem to get it to function on a high powered casual level
Hmm. I can see why; 6 mana in Grixis is a tough thing to get moving. I helped someone with a Clones version of the deck a while back, but I don't think that's the right way to go. You definitely want demons in play before Belakor, and demons to play after, but what I'm really thinking is something that's going to make a bunch of big demons enter all at once. There are a few red cards that'd do it, but I'll sort through them for the ones I think are best later today. I'll come back to this.
Alright, so the three I was most impressed with were - Kindred Charge - Clone Legion - Molten Echoes Since Be'lakor wants you to have a few demons in play before it comes down, you could follow up Belakor with Kindred Charge to make a ton of demons and drill an enemy life total to zero (or remove enough blockers to do so). And that's before even going to combat. Of course you need a lot of mana, but you know that already if you've built it that many times.
Hey thanks so much ! I love all your videos, the formatting- the jazz intro/ and the power rating Thank you so much for the recommendations - I think I’ll find a way to slot them in!
If you were also running a lot of fetchlands, I think that could work. But in general, getting it from graveyard to library is more valuable than getting it from hand to library on account of 14 digging 14 deep for doctors with each cast. Every game I played that getting it back from hand came up in, I always had either Trenzalore or the Midnight clock available to help. Another option I considered was Finale of Revalation, but I never had enough mana to make that work.
Changeling doesn't work with doctors for a card to be a doctor it has to have only the doctor and time Lord creature types. It's a dumb rule and I hate it. But I love my doctors tribal deck I've been working on
That's incorrect. The rule you are thinking of is about *Doctor's Companion,* which refers only to creatures with *ONLY* the creature types "Time Lord" and "Doctor." But any cards referencing Doctor as a creature type still function as normal. For example, if you cast Kindred Dominance, choosing Doctor as the creature type, all creatures with Changeling will be spared as well. But I couldn't have Adric as a second commander if Orvar was my first commander, since Orvar has more creature types than Time Lord and Doctor. The difference is that one of these effects says "The Doctor" and the other might say "a doctor" or "all doctors."
Cloud of Faeries doesn't untap enough mana on its own to serve as the combo piece that drake is. If you ran cloud of faeries, you'd need at least two lands that both tap for 2+ mana each. Palinchron goes infinite on its own under the same conditions (yay), but is much harder to cast, so I cut it.
Well, it'd be okay- after all, you don't need my permission to change things about the deck 😅- but asking if it's close to Curfew is an easy answer. There's really nothing else even close to Curfew (besides Run Away Together and This Town Ain't Big Enough). The Doctor really needs the ability to hit other creatures *and* itself for cheap. It's not like it's a super broken or expensive card either, so I'm sure most people would be fine if you just proxied it until you could source it (or indefinitely) if you just explained that you can't get it anywhere.
I'm really unimpressed. Our other bounce tools actually do something *besides* bounce 14 in addition to doing so. Erratic Portal is a 5 mana investment to do so. The closest comparison is Baral's expertise, which, for the same cost, can remove two permanents, return 14 to hand, *and recast him,* all in one package. With all the other balls this commander is juggling, I don't think the portal is nearly efficient enough to be worth considering.
@@aegisgamingofficial2178 Unless you copy it with Orvar and bounce 14 over and over again, if you don't have access to Sanctum of Eternity, I guess :/ I'm building Fourteen + Susan, because a mana dork in the Command Zone sounds fantastic, and now I have some open slots that I have to fill.
@@eeveemaster8902 The first ability is not what allows this to work... it's irrelevant to the combo. It doesn't say that. Those are two separate abilities.
@eeveemaster8902 It does not say "when you cast the 14th doctor, you may have it enter as a copy." The cast trigger is a *completely separate ability* from the second paragraph, which is what allows him to enter as a copy. The second ability works *even when he isn't cast.* For comparison, see cards like Phyrexian Metamorph.
I just want a dumb fun Doctor Deck with Gallirfrey Stands
Holy 29 minutes? Guess I know what to watch during my lunch break
This video is fantastic, excellent job breaking down the deck building choices
So Arcade Gannon from the Fallout set might be worth considering. Both The Fourteenth Doctor and Gallifrey Stands only card about Doctors, not Time Lord Doctors.
Give the option to draw off of his ability, and can potentially play some cards from the GY
Seems decent and well thought out. Might want to add more evasion though since alot of doctors care about attacking like the war doctor, fugitive doctor, 10th, 11th, 15th, and 7th and to an extent, 3rd, 9th, and 1st (of course 9th doctor isnt really going to matter here) plus Fourteen with haste. For my deckb i have rose noble in the command zone and the only creature that she doesnt trigger for is Alistair, the Brigadier. Also found that Key to the City is perfect for this deck. Gives evasion and card draw plus if you have a doctor in your hand, you can discard it to allow 14th doctor to become it. I also kept the psychic paper to help get in commander damage but also if i have clara oswald out, i can get extra triggers off my companions by changing their creature type to doctor. Also if something is preventing 14 from being useful like a passifism for example, i can use the psychic paper to set off the legend rule and put him back in the command zone.
You can't use Key to the City to let the 14th Doctor become what you discard. He specifically says it needs to go to the graveyard *from your library.*
@@aegisgamingofficial2178 you are so right and ive been cheating and no one has stopped me
@@aegisgamingofficial2178 omg that's funny thank you for catching that
@@aegisgamingofficial2178it's still good for evasion and you can just get them back later with the 8th doctor or gallifrey stands
This is very original build. 😮 I dont like Doctors, but this look very interesting to play.
Quite the deck doctor episode.
Haha, doctor pun
9:39 I like the combo, but two questions I have with this:
1) Clockspinning's phrasing implies it targets counters, NOT permanents, so would this still trigger Orvars ability, as that only triggers when you target one or more other permanents;
2) Clockspinning can only target counters, NOT permanents, and Orvar only lets you make copies of things targeted by the instant or sorcery, so when you say we can copy Peregrine Drake or lands, even if I am wrong in point #1 about the counters being targeted over the permanents, how would Clockspinning even target Peregrine or the lands in the first place if they don't possess any counters?
@@spencerlindsay7135 That's not correct. It targets permanents. It *chooses* a counter on the permanent that you target. Targeting and choosing are different in magic. This is a well-established combo that's been around since Orvar was first printed. If you're still unsure, feel free to consult additional resources such as Commander Spellbook.
Hey i'm really loving the new gonti, could you make a video about how to make it better? i'll try a more control deck with untaping mana, but i'd love to see other options.
Hmm. That's a tough one. Traditional theft decks often lose focus really easily on account of them not having their own wincons. Just for value though, you should definitely consider
- Sage of the Beyond
- See the Truth
- Surge of Brilliance
- Poxwalkers
- Savvy Trader
- Sisterhood of Karn
- The Thirteenth Doctor
can you help with a be'lakor the dark master? I've brewed and scrapped the deck about 4 times now because I can't seem to get it to function on a high powered casual level
Hmm. I can see why; 6 mana in Grixis is a tough thing to get moving. I helped someone with a Clones version of the deck a while back, but I don't think that's the right way to go. You definitely want demons in play before Belakor, and demons to play after, but what I'm really thinking is something that's going to make a bunch of big demons enter all at once. There are a few red cards that'd do it, but I'll sort through them for the ones I think are best later today. I'll come back to this.
Alright, so the three I was most impressed with were
- Kindred Charge
- Clone Legion
- Molten Echoes
Since Be'lakor wants you to have a few demons in play before it comes down, you could follow up Belakor with Kindred Charge to make a ton of demons and drill an enemy life total to zero (or remove enough blockers to do so). And that's before even going to combat.
Of course you need a lot of mana, but you know that already if you've built it that many times.
Hey thanks so much ! I love all your videos, the formatting- the jazz intro/ and the power rating
Thank you so much for the recommendations - I think I’ll find a way to slot them in!
make a ninth doctor deck!!
Would Brainstorm be a possible add for the deck. Gives a way to put The Third Doctor bavk on top if he ends up in your hand
If you were also running a lot of fetchlands, I think that could work. But in general, getting it from graveyard to library is more valuable than getting it from hand to library on account of 14 digging 14 deep for doctors with each cast. Every game I played that getting it back from hand came up in, I always had either Trenzalore or the Midnight clock available to help. Another option I considered was Finale of Revalation, but I never had enough mana to make that work.
I added the crappy doctors just because it already feels like a really bad deck, and if I win with it I want to win with full style points.
I know a Nazbol thumbnail when I see one. /s
Changeling doesn't work with doctors for a card to be a doctor it has to have only the doctor and time Lord creature types. It's a dumb rule and I hate it. But I love my doctors tribal deck I've been working on
That's incorrect. The rule you are thinking of is about *Doctor's Companion,* which refers only to creatures with *ONLY* the creature types "Time Lord" and "Doctor." But any cards referencing Doctor as a creature type still function as normal.
For example, if you cast Kindred Dominance, choosing Doctor as the creature type, all creatures with Changeling will be spared as well.
But I couldn't have Adric as a second commander if Orvar was my first commander, since Orvar has more creature types than Time Lord and Doctor.
The difference is that one of these effects says "The Doctor" and the other might say "a doctor" or "all doctors."
Would it also be better to include Cloud of Faeries & Palinchron or replacing Peregrine Drake?
Cloud of Faeries doesn't untap enough mana on its own to serve as the combo piece that drake is. If you ran cloud of faeries, you'd need at least two lands that both tap for 2+ mana each. Palinchron goes infinite on its own under the same conditions (yay), but is much harder to cast, so I cut it.
Is Boing worth considering for the ability to bounce and scry up to 3 if i say dont own curfew and cant source it
Well, it'd be okay- after all, you don't need my permission to change things about the deck 😅- but asking if it's close to Curfew is an easy answer. There's really nothing else even close to Curfew (besides Run Away Together and This Town Ain't Big Enough). The Doctor really needs the ability to hit other creatures *and* itself for cheap.
It's not like it's a super broken or expensive card either, so I'm sure most people would be fine if you just proxied it until you could source it (or indefinitely) if you just explained that you can't get it anywhere.
What do you think of running Erratic Portal as another tool to bounce Fourteen?
I'm really unimpressed. Our other bounce tools actually do something *besides* bounce 14 in addition to doing so. Erratic Portal is a 5 mana investment to do so. The closest comparison is Baral's expertise, which, for the same cost, can remove two permanents, return 14 to hand, *and recast him,* all in one package. With all the other balls this commander is juggling, I don't think the portal is nearly efficient enough to be worth considering.
@@aegisgamingofficial2178 Unless you copy it with Orvar and bounce 14 over and over again, if you don't have access to Sanctum of Eternity, I guess :/
I'm building Fourteen + Susan, because a mana dork in the Command Zone sounds fantastic, and now I have some open slots that I have to fill.
I don't think the 3rd doctor combo works as it's not blinking, the fourteenth doctor said cast, not entre the filed.
The 14th Doctor's second ability:
"He *enters the battlefield* as a copy of one of those doctors." So he will trigger the 3rd Doctor's ETB ability.
@@aegisgamingofficial2178 the first part of the card *when you cast this card, have him become a copy*
Cast is the key word
@@aegisgamingofficial2178 so yes it would do the first one. But not the instant blink as that wouldn't count as casting
@@eeveemaster8902 The first ability is not what allows this to work... it's irrelevant to the combo. It doesn't say that. Those are two separate abilities.
@eeveemaster8902 It does not say "when you cast the 14th doctor, you may have it enter as a copy." The cast trigger is a *completely separate ability* from the second paragraph, which is what allows him to enter as a copy. The second ability works *even when he isn't cast.* For comparison, see cards like Phyrexian Metamorph.
I shouldn't trust my gut
🤣 It was a good guess. I picked out Obeka and Gitrog as options because they were so exciting. I thought about both of them.
@aegisgamingofficial2178 on one hand I like the Gitrog, on the other I hate how pushed it is. It's better than Shadowheart in every way
@@aegisgamingofficial2178obeka will be the most-built commander from this set: tbh probably a good video to do for views!