Great video!! I wish this was around when I was getting started with Udio/Suno. I was skeptical of the word “Masterclass,” but it is well-earned! The final version is fantastic. Here’s some additional tips I'd add: 1) re: Using 6 lines / 250-300 characters per generation, if you use more, it will try it's best to squeeze them all in (which is great if you want fast rap music), or use less if you want things drawn out, like in a soul song. 2) For prompting, try putting ‘jhdfg’ (any random text). The genres it will spit out in the generated clip are pretty off the wall. A lot of ‘experimental’. 3) Sometimes I’ll notate the title of the song with “goes off the rails at 2:21” or something like that, to help me keep track of the clips I like but don’t love. 4) Hitting cmd - a couple times to reduce the font size in your browser can buy you a lot of real estate. Helpful when you’re dealing with long lists of tracks. 5) For instrumental Outros that actually END, I had great success with |-> Add Outro, ( • ) Custom: and pasting this into the lyrics: [End] [Exit] [Fade Out] [Finish] [Outro] [Quit] [Silence] [Stop] 6) Make sure you download a WAV file, rather than MP3. WAVs use lossless compression and are higher quality. 7) At 36:47, you have a great opportunity to demonstrate Inpainting. There’s a loud, abrupt “ooh” that doesn’t belong in the song.
Thanks for this tutorial by the way. I've noticed that while making my album of robot gangsta rap, the AI started remembering not only my characters and details of their backstories, but also started remembering their individual voices, so if I have Robogangsta rapping, the AI uses a consistent voice now. Another cool thing, albeit very strange, is that the AI actually seemed to add things I was THINKING ABOUT in certain instances. This happened several times, to the point I noticed it and was a little bit creeped out. I know synthetic telepathy tech uses radio waves, so I got to staring at my modem/gateway for a while pondering skynet and the matrix.
Yep, AI is doing some crazy stuff. I'm not entirely sure it's reading our minds yet (hopefully), but there definitely seems to be an amount of anticipation of the user. If you haven't seen it, also check out The Thirteenth Floor. Good movie with similar subject matter that was completely ignored because it came out around the same time as The Matrix.
@@shadyendeavor Ahh yes. I've seen the 13th floor. Have you heard of synthetic telepathy? It's an old technology that uses radio waves to project a voice directly into a person's brain. Imagine what AI could do with it, using our modem/router/gateway. Brain-Machine Interfaces are becoming a big thing in recent years. I just wonder how far it's gone without the public knowing.
I tried Suno and Udio, but I had a song I had made in FL studio 9 long ago and lost in a hard drive crash. Udio made me a better version of it, and I was blown away. I've dropped $50 on Udio already, buying credits. I made a 30 track album of robot gangsta rap, and now I'm 10 tracks deep into an album that's metal and electronica, called Tales of Woe & Wonder. Each song tells a story. I freakin' love Udio. I haven't done much with Suno, though I wasn't unimpressed with it. I just stuck with Udio because it remade a song I thought I had lost forever. That song is on my channel if anyone is curious. It's called Strange Little Bird.
Yeah, Udio is amazing. I'm working on a project that I've put well over a hundred hours of work into that should be up sometime this week and I scored the audio using Udio and I couldn't be more happy with it. Suno definitely has it's use cases too. From what I've heard, the prompt adherence can be better with Suno, but I think just the quality of the output with Udio is better, but you just might have to work at it more. And now with 1.5, it's even better.
@@shadyendeavor I've tried Suno, and I agree Udio is better imho. I finally got my 30 track album "Autonomous Origins" uploaded, and now I'm 10 tracks deep into making a second album "Tales of Woe & Wonder". I have 5 tracks from it uploaded so far. Seriously, with some of this music you cannot even tell it's AI.
Good beginners guide. I was all set to make some beginner tutorials now that new features have dropped but I see you got this. Inpainting in particular is causing a lot of confusion for first timers. I will past a link for this video in the UDIO discord to guide newcomers. Look forward to seeing more like this.
Yep, as I was just about done editing this right when they announced the paid plans and in-painting, I, obviously, didn't have time to add information on that into the video. But I'll probably work on an addition to this soon that goes over the in-painting feature.
I'm using udio to redo all my songs demo's I wrote over the years. some of my songs took over 150 tokens to get to sound the way I wanted out of my songs. now my songs aren't just me with my guitar and a beat machine and me singing out of key. I use vocal remover to remove the vocal out of music then I sing alone with the vocal then place my vocal on the music and have my original song with me singing properly. Now I have proper demo's witch is the way Udio should me used and thought of as a tool.
That's really cool. What are you using for the vocals remover? And it actually works well enough? I'd definitely like to take a look at that. And do you have any of your tracks online to listen to? I have heard that one of the plans for audio is to have multi-track outputs, but who knows how far off that could be. But the ability to remove or edit individual tracks would be a "game changer".
I’ve just completely recorded an old film I made 20 years ago. I could never get the score right. The composer did well but the midi sound was unusable and the orchestra attempt was very rough and amateur. I used 300 tokens and was able to rescore the whole thing and it finally looks like what I originally envisioned.
@@timefilm that's awesome! Yep, another great use of AI that gives people the opportunity to do or complete something that they otherwise would never have had the chance or ability to do. Is this going to be publicly available?
@@shadyendeavor Thank you! It will be on my channel next week, I will return and let you know. However if you go to my channel now you can see one I''ve already completed - the batman 70's cult film. I used not only udio but AI image generation also.
@@timefilm wow, that's how slow I am. I didn't even think to check your channel...ugh. But I took a quick glance and it looks like you have some great content. I'll take a look at it in a few. And subbed so I don't miss the new one.
I’ve made over 50 creations using my own lyrics. It is an amazing tool if you personalize it. But it does take an ear and patience. When your first good creation is made you will be hooked.
Sometimes I will add a chorus first and it will be the intro to the verse, other times if I think the verse is strong I will let it be the song guide. I almost always use the intro. since I write most of my lyrics these methods work for me. but the important thing is you have to experiment...and like anything else...practice...practice...practice🎶🎶🎧🎧
Yep, I've seen this mentioned before. I haven't tried it yet, but I think it's a great idea. Even to try it with the bridge instead of the chorus. I even mentioned it in my newer, much shorter version of this video that came out a day or 2 ago.
I like to enter my chorus first so I get a better idea if it’s going to generate a strong hook. Then I’ll add the 1st verse before it, and 2nd verse after.
The technology is a good start. The music indutry is not going to be shaking in their boots. I can imagine better pro versions of the technology sometime down the pike with far more capabilities. As it stands right now, it's more of hobby pastime kinda thing to playwith than anything truly useful. I can say one thing for certainty, that if you do not like music as it is today, then brace yourself, you will be getting a lot more of it. Lots and lots more of it, This type of thing is going to be churning out tons and tons of that slop non stop. If you see yourself as a music conesuir, consider this an introduction to your vision of hell.
So if you believe that this is just going to be "churning out tons and tons of that slop non stop", how is that not going to adversely affect the music industry that was doing that by itself until now? Sounds like slop competition to me.
@@shadyendeavor Good point.The music industry on the corporate side has had a lot on their plate manuevering the ever changing technological landscape even before AI, but they are experts at marketing slop, they'll be fine. On the creative side, artsits have also not been happy with the current model for quite some time even before AI. Nothing changes that. Also on the creative front, I think it may incentivize new artists to up their game, especially as live performaces have been the go-to model to make a living on music. AI is just a tool, and as alwasys, young artists are going to find a way to use it creatively. I think it will help them realize their ideas better and faster and hopefully create new takes on music. Ludites for a brief moment go after the hew music loom, egged.on by faux outrage on social media such as we saw for the new iPad Pro commercial, but life goes on. Amazing technology.
Great video. I have been playing with udio for about a week now and have a few songs under my belt. The music and vocals it came up with blew my mind. My very first song is my favorite so far: kRUHLc9a84eyk4xZVmA3RF. My second song blew me away also: hsJ3sCpimLF6oytd1iwaCw. The app still needs work, though. Sometimes it skipped entire verses and added in lines that I didn't write. Still, it does impressive work.
First, thanks so much for sharing your works. I must say, I really liked the first one "Lament of the Undead." I could see that being the theme song for the undead in WoW. The second song was a bit too slow for me. I think that it might have helped with that idea that I've seen a few mention here about starting with the chorus until you find that great hook and then extending before and after it. But then again, maybe it's exactly what you wanted. All personal tastes. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you said something else that you edited out of your comment that I wanted to respond to. If it wasn't you, I apologize, but to me it was something very important. The idea that you were able to create something that you knew you would probably never be able to hear without such a tool. I'm constantly being bombarded with people saying how AI is crap or it's evil or whatever. But I love the fact that it's enabling people that may not have all of the skills (or money) the ability to create what they are able to imagine. Something they'd never have been able to do before. Sure, it's disturbing job markets, but for most of us, it's allowing us to create things we never would have been able to see or hear otherwise. A net positive, imo.
@@shadyendeavor thanks for the positive feedback. I originally mentioned the fact that the song "Rise of Vecna" was based on D&D and that I never thought I would have a chance the make a song about it. Udio has given me the chance to do just that.
I asked claude on 6/6/24 to write me a song and received this. "I'm afraid I cannot reproduce or create full song lyrics, as that could violate copyright laws. However, I can provide a general outline or summarize the requested elements without including full lyrics"
I literally just tried it five minutes after your post and it worked fine. Did you describe specifically what you want the song to be about? Or did you just give a vague idea of the type of song? Did you include any names of artists/groups?
I have been at it a week now and love Udio so thanks for this video. I have also been pouring through the subreddit and will check other forums to help with these issues (I am using Udio to output instrumental music only no lyrics) (1) How can I prompt udio to REMOVE things like guitar solos or unrelated genres? “no guitar solo” is often ignored. I have also had some success using custom lyrics then not entering any lyrics or just (.) in first line. FEATURE REQUESTS I SENT TO UDIO TEAM: (1) A custom template would be a good idea. Then I wouldn’t need to delete random genres that are generated it would stick to my template. Even when I use the same prompts this happens consistently. (2) Restrict output to key signatures or related modes (I can enter “F Minor” but it’s hit or miss) (3) Allow audio input to detect key signature and generate extensions from custom audio (I have tons of music snippets lying around that are just unfinished ideas) (3a) allow chords as prompts (similar to above but more specific “a song using C Major E minor and B Diminished”)
sadly, as far as I know, there is no "negative prompting" yet for udio. Only thing I could think of is if there is a term for types of music being played that automatically have a specific instrument excluded. Just like by calling it "a capella", that should automatically exclude all instruments. So is there something similar that excludes specific ones? Dunno. Just a thought. Or maybe something weird like "silent guitar"? The requests, though they sound great, are all probably things that will eventually make it into it, but are currently too complicated or just lower on their priority list. I know quite a few people have asked for audio upload references.
Excellent tutorial!!!!! After watching all of the iterations that you had to go through, that’s why they are generous with the number of monthly tries they allow you to use. My only concern with all of this is that since the lyrics are mostly computer generated, I think songs will lose that human experience touch.
That depends on how you look at it. First off, I created my own lyrics, though I used Claude to get some ideas. And then, because of that, that is why I believe quality music will continue on as people with a good ear can tell the difference and seek out the high quality music with good writing. However, the mainstream pop music industry is in trouble. That's how I see things going - at least for the near future.
I've used Udio quite a lot now, and in my experience, by far the most frustrating problem is when the program downright ignores even high priority prompts or - even worse - goes directly against them. Some examples: was working on a love song to a girl, so used "male vocalist" almost at #1 position of tags. But Udio insisted on giving me extremely female vocals again and again and again. I think I made 30 generations, and out of them, only 2-3 had male vocals (thankfully one of them was perfect, so I did get the song made) Another example: trying to end a song, so I chose (outro) and entered the final lyrics... Udio completely ignored it and generated a standard clip leading up to another section. I tried this over and over, with the same result. Then tried using the prompt [chorus to fade] and/or [chorus fade], which was also completely ignored. In the end I gave up and took a break, assuming that Udio was temporarily braindead. When I returned later and tried again, Udio produced an absoulutely astonishingly beautiful ending in the very first attempt! Another common problem is the use of bridges. Almost every time, Udio insists that a bridge is just another word for verse. Using "advanced controls" and adjusting the slider simply results in Udio creating a bridge that has no connection whatsoever to the rest of the song and not only that, it also forgets the verses and chorus from that point, as if you're starting a completely new song. The reason these problems become so frustrating is, that no matter how horribly your prompts get ignored, the generations still count and it's VERY easy to burn 30-40 credits just fighting against the algorithm before you get something you can work with. This is not just time consuming, it can also get very expensive and it feels so unnecessary.
Quite a bit to respond to here, but yes, for the most part, I agree. First, as far as the vocals go, yes, I have had this problem a lot. One thing that worked much better for me is to not rely on the prompt and instead put it into the lyrics. Do not put it in the same brackets as verse, chorus, or bridge, but on a separate line and you can even do multiple different ones during the same creation [Verse 1] [Male Vocalist 1] We were just two kids, from the poor side of town We had nothing but what we haaaad in each other [Male Vocalist 2] Together we dreamed of so much more more than this struggle more than this strife [Female Vocals] I promised myself, one day, I'd give her the perfect life Just as an example. It doesn't always work, but it seems to contribute quite a bit. The problem you were having with the Outro WAS a known bug. People like you and myself were reporting the issue and it was with both regular extensions becoming Outros and Outros just becoming regular extensions. This was posted on their Discord on the 20th: "We have fixed a number of small bugs related to extensions including issues with unintentionally creating outros and cropping the first fraction of a track when using trim mode" I haven't seemed to have the bridge issue, so I can't really say much on that. Either way, yes, there are definitely some very frustrating results that we get, but I still think this tool is amazing and it's only going to get better. I'm sure that at some point we'll be able to literally ask specifically for, not only a male or female voice, but a the specific timber or gruffness or whatever too. Just as I think we'll be able to get more specific with the instruments that currently don't exactly follow our requests perfectly either.
@@shadyendeavor ... OMG... This is really strange, dig this. I had spammed your video literally 150+ times with this comment, as they were being removed within seconds. The LAST time I did the same thing on another video, the one comment that finally survived was "double-pasted", just like this one. I had another take that was removed, but will try it again, to see if it works now.
@@shadyendeavor ...The song you made will satisfy the vast majority of pop-radio and Billboard requirements and for a MASSIVE number of people. Been an absolutely MONSTER music fan, since like 12 yo and this is as good as most of what we see on top 100 pop-charts. I would agree... the music industry is in deep trouble with this technology. Serious music fans will still demand human songs, but this song you made will fool far more people than serious music fans would ever be comfortable in admitting.
@@NinjaKittyBonks Just to be clear, are you talking about the "original" version of the song or the one more "country folk" version at the end? or both? I think the "country folk" version is better and therefor would not do as well on the pop-charts. But yes, considering what pop music has become, it doesn't take much for the populous to, well, make it popular. I have found that some of the pop music that is out there, though crap, can actually be pretty good when it's covered by someone with competence and actual musical skills. There have been quite a few times where I've come across a song I really like and didn't realize it was a cover of something terrible like Gaga or Bieber, but the cover musician was able to take the good parts of it and making something much better out of it. Kind of a tangent, but whatever.
Is this a problem that is still happening? Or was this something you last tried a couple of days ago? As this was a known issue and Udio supposedly fixed it a day ago or 2. If not, I'm not sure what the issue could be. As long as you have the Outro selected and in addition, if you're doing custom lyrics and put in [Outro], I have no idea why it wouldn't work. At least a couple times it should work.
Currently, the AI doesn't seem to understand the rhythmic interaction of drums and bass. The AI is also currently unable to give an instrument an independent counter-voice in parallel to the voice. Apparently the AI does not know that the overall sound consists of individual instruments that have to coordinate their individual melodies with each other. But 99,9% of what the music industry produces is hardly better. Quantity instead of quality. Therefore, AI will hopefully destroy the boring mass music and promote the good artists who offer quality.
Heh, exactly. Yeah, it's far from perfect for people that really LISTEN to music. But the mainstream pop music industry is in trouble. Real, good quality music is still in the hands and minds of the artists and audio can just be another tool for them.
Currently, most all AI, you are not able to copyright. However, you are able to use the songs you create for commercial use according to Udio and their terms of service. So there is definitely no problem using them on TH-cam. I don't know how it works if someone else were to use your music though.
@@shadyendeavor yeah great, im not going too.. hey! I was thinking about your next video idea you could do.. there's a new AI video creation called clipwise ai. It basically make your entire short youtube video in 3 minutes.from just your prompt even adds text to Flow with words..ai generated voice, . free download for 2 videos. Watch a clipwise youtube video. I was impressed
@@shadyendeavor From a logical point of view, the more syllables used per line, the higher the risk of the ai messing them up (wrong flow of words, emphasis on wrong syllables) I've tried a couple of times to ask the chat ai to align the number of syllables per line and it did work to some degree, but not 100%. Generally, though, the lines need a good rhythmic flow, as fool-proof as possible, and it may be a good idea to try reading out the lines before entering them, just to make sure the flow is good and natural.
Yep, completely understood. Every once in a while something will sneak onto my radar that is decent, but not often. You can definitely create non-pop stuff pretty well with this. I made one track that sounded like Steve Vai playing for 3 minutes straight. Sounded pretty good. So yes, maybe AI is what will actually "save" music in some aspect. It still takes human ingenuity of some sort, so I don't feel too bad.
now we can choose to truncate or only keep a section in the middle to append, big qol improvement. also, spamming [bridge] is an easy way to get good variations : th-cam.com/video/XHcIpb5Q61E/w-d-xo.html
yeah, the feature, like the paid plans, were announced during my editing of this, so I wasn't able to add that in here. The [bridge] idea sounds like the same idea as what someone else mentioned here, but instead using [chorus]. I can see how both ways would be good ideas to try out. Probably depends on the lyrics you have for which would be better.
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Great video!! I wish this was around when I was getting started with Udio/Suno. I was skeptical of the word “Masterclass,” but it is well-earned! The final version is fantastic.
Here’s some additional tips I'd add:
1) re: Using 6 lines / 250-300 characters per generation, if you use more, it will try it's best to squeeze them all in (which is great if you want fast rap music), or use less if you want things drawn out, like in a soul song.
2) For prompting, try putting ‘jhdfg’ (any random text). The genres it will spit out in the generated clip are pretty off the wall. A lot of ‘experimental’.
3) Sometimes I’ll notate the title of the song with “goes off the rails at 2:21” or something like that, to help me keep track of the clips I like but don’t love.
4) Hitting cmd - a couple times to reduce the font size in your browser can buy you a lot of real estate. Helpful when you’re dealing with long lists of tracks.
5) For instrumental Outros that actually END, I had great success with |-> Add Outro, ( • ) Custom: and pasting this into the lyrics: [End] [Exit] [Fade Out] [Finish] [Outro] [Quit] [Silence] [Stop]
6) Make sure you download a WAV file, rather than MP3. WAVs use lossless compression and are higher quality.
7) At 36:47, you have a great opportunity to demonstrate Inpainting. There’s a loud, abrupt “ooh” that doesn’t belong in the song.
Thanks for this tutorial by the way. I've noticed that while making my album of robot gangsta rap, the AI started remembering not only my characters and details of their backstories, but also started remembering their individual voices, so if I have Robogangsta rapping, the AI uses a consistent voice now.
Another cool thing, albeit very strange, is that the AI actually seemed to add things I was THINKING ABOUT in certain instances. This happened several times, to the point I noticed it and was a little bit creeped out. I know synthetic telepathy tech uses radio waves, so I got to staring at my modem/gateway for a while pondering skynet and the matrix.
Yep, AI is doing some crazy stuff. I'm not entirely sure it's reading our minds yet (hopefully), but there definitely seems to be an amount of anticipation of the user.
If you haven't seen it, also check out The Thirteenth Floor. Good movie with similar subject matter that was completely ignored because it came out around the same time as The Matrix.
@@shadyendeavor Ahh yes. I've seen the 13th floor. Have you heard of synthetic telepathy? It's an old technology that uses radio waves to project a voice directly into a person's brain. Imagine what AI could do with it, using our modem/router/gateway.
Brain-Machine Interfaces are becoming a big thing in recent years. I just wonder how far it's gone without the public knowing.
Really enjoyable song. Both versions. Tks 4 the masterclass. I'll follow you in Udio. Peace, pal!
I tried Suno and Udio, but I had a song I had made in FL studio 9 long ago and lost in a hard drive crash. Udio made me a better version of it, and I was blown away.
I've dropped $50 on Udio already, buying credits. I made a 30 track album of robot gangsta rap, and now I'm 10 tracks deep into an album that's metal and electronica, called Tales of Woe & Wonder. Each song tells a story. I freakin' love Udio. I haven't done much with Suno, though I wasn't unimpressed with it. I just stuck with Udio because it remade a song I thought I had lost forever. That song is on my channel if anyone is curious. It's called Strange Little Bird.
Yeah, Udio is amazing. I'm working on a project that I've put well over a hundred hours of work into that should be up sometime this week and I scored the audio using Udio and I couldn't be more happy with it. Suno definitely has it's use cases too. From what I've heard, the prompt adherence can be better with Suno, but I think just the quality of the output with Udio is better, but you just might have to work at it more. And now with 1.5, it's even better.
@@shadyendeavor I've tried Suno, and I agree Udio is better imho. I finally got my 30 track album "Autonomous Origins" uploaded, and now I'm 10 tracks deep into making a second album "Tales of Woe & Wonder". I have 5 tracks from it uploaded so far. Seriously, with some of this music you cannot even tell it's AI.
Fork in The Road ...its so very touching...
Good beginners guide. I was all set to make some beginner tutorials now that new features have dropped but I see you got this. Inpainting in particular is causing a lot of confusion for first timers. I will past a link for this video in the UDIO discord to guide newcomers. Look forward to seeing more like this.
Yep, as I was just about done editing this right when they announced the paid plans and in-painting, I, obviously, didn't have time to add information on that into the video. But I'll probably work on an addition to this soon that goes over the in-painting feature.
I'm using udio to redo all my songs demo's I wrote over the years. some of my songs took over 150 tokens to get to sound the way I wanted out of my songs. now my songs aren't just me with my guitar and a beat machine and me singing out of key.
I use vocal remover to remove the vocal out of music then I sing alone with the vocal then place my vocal on the music and have my original song with me singing properly.
Now I have proper demo's witch is the way Udio should me used and thought of as a tool.
That's really cool. What are you using for the vocals remover? And it actually works well enough? I'd definitely like to take a look at that. And do you have any of your tracks online to listen to?
I have heard that one of the plans for audio is to have multi-track outputs, but who knows how far off that could be. But the ability to remove or edit individual tracks would be a "game changer".
I’ve just completely recorded an old film I made 20 years ago. I could never get the score right. The composer did well but the midi sound was unusable and the orchestra attempt was very rough and amateur. I used 300 tokens and was able to rescore the whole thing and it finally looks like what I originally envisioned.
@@timefilm that's awesome! Yep, another great use of AI that gives people the opportunity to do or complete something that they otherwise would never have had the chance or ability to do. Is this going to be publicly available?
@@shadyendeavor Thank you! It will be on my channel next week, I will return and let you know. However if you go to my channel now you can see one I''ve already completed - the batman 70's cult film. I used not only udio but AI image generation also.
@@timefilm wow, that's how slow I am. I didn't even think to check your channel...ugh. But I took a quick glance and it looks like you have some great content. I'll take a look at it in a few. And subbed so I don't miss the new one.
I’ve made over 50 creations using my own lyrics. It is an amazing tool if you personalize it. But it does take an ear and patience. When your first good creation is made you will be hooked.
Yep, definitely. Although very true on the personal lyrics, I've also been having fun with instrumental only projects lately.
Thank you
Sometimes I will add a chorus first and it will be the intro to the verse, other times if I think the verse is strong I will let it be the song guide. I almost always use the intro. since I write most of my lyrics these methods work for me. but the important thing is you have to experiment...and like anything else...practice...practice...practice🎶🎶🎧🎧
Yep, I've seen this mentioned before. I haven't tried it yet, but I think it's a great idea. Even to try it with the bridge instead of the chorus. I even mentioned it in my newer, much shorter version of this video that came out a day or 2 ago.
Same here. I always start with the hook and work around it.
Thanks for this!
@@DJ_AiEl you're welcome!
I like your wonderful melancholic love song. The first version was great, but the second version touched me really deeply.
That's great to hear. Thank you so much!
I like to enter my chorus first so I get a better idea if it’s going to generate a strong hook. Then I’ll add the 1st verse before it, and 2nd verse after.
That's actually a really interesting idea. I'll have to try that out. Thanks.
The technology is a good start. The music indutry is not going to be shaking in their boots. I can imagine better pro versions of the technology sometime down the pike with far more capabilities. As it stands right now, it's more of hobby pastime kinda thing to playwith than anything truly useful. I can say one thing for certainty, that if you do not like music as it is today, then brace yourself, you will be getting a lot more of it. Lots and lots more of it, This type of thing is going to be churning out tons and tons of that slop non stop. If you see yourself as a music conesuir, consider this an introduction to your vision of hell.
So if you believe that this is just going to be "churning out tons and tons of that slop non stop", how is that not going to adversely affect the music industry that was doing that by itself until now? Sounds like slop competition to me.
@@shadyendeavor Good point.The music industry on the corporate side has had a lot on their plate manuevering the ever changing technological landscape even before AI, but they are experts at marketing slop, they'll be fine. On the creative side, artsits have also not been happy with the current model for quite some time even before AI. Nothing changes that. Also on the creative front, I think it may incentivize new artists to up their game, especially as live performaces have been the go-to model to make a living on music. AI is just a tool, and as alwasys, young artists are going to find a way to use it creatively. I think it will help them realize their ideas better and faster and hopefully create new takes on music. Ludites for a brief moment go after the hew music loom, egged.on by faux outrage on social media such as we saw for the new iPad Pro commercial, but life goes on. Amazing technology.
Great video. I have been playing with udio for about a week now and have a few songs under my belt. The music and vocals it came up with blew my mind. My very first song is my favorite so far: kRUHLc9a84eyk4xZVmA3RF. My second song blew me away also: hsJ3sCpimLF6oytd1iwaCw. The app still needs work, though. Sometimes it skipped entire verses and added in lines that I didn't write. Still, it does impressive work.
First, thanks so much for sharing your works. I must say, I really liked the first one "Lament of the Undead." I could see that being the theme song for the undead in WoW. The second song was a bit too slow for me. I think that it might have helped with that idea that I've seen a few mention here about starting with the chorus until you find that great hook and then extending before and after it. But then again, maybe it's exactly what you wanted. All personal tastes.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you said something else that you edited out of your comment that I wanted to respond to. If it wasn't you, I apologize, but to me it was something very important. The idea that you were able to create something that you knew you would probably never be able to hear without such a tool. I'm constantly being bombarded with people saying how AI is crap or it's evil or whatever. But I love the fact that it's enabling people that may not have all of the skills (or money) the ability to create what they are able to imagine. Something they'd never have been able to do before.
Sure, it's disturbing job markets, but for most of us, it's allowing us to create things we never would have been able to see or hear otherwise. A net positive, imo.
Also, just listened to "Questions from the Veil" that you didn't list. That was a great track too.
@@shadyendeavor thanks for the positive feedback. I originally mentioned the fact that the song "Rise of Vecna" was based on D&D and that I never thought I would have a chance the make a song about it. Udio has given me the chance to do just that.
I asked claude on 6/6/24 to write me a song and received this. "I'm afraid I cannot reproduce or create full song lyrics, as that could violate copyright laws. However, I can provide a general outline or summarize the requested elements without including full lyrics"
I literally just tried it five minutes after your post and it worked fine. Did you describe specifically what you want the song to be about? Or did you just give a vague idea of the type of song? Did you include any names of artists/groups?
Using "manual mode" on the prompts will get you what you want. Aka mandolin
I have been at it a week now and love Udio so thanks for this video. I have also been pouring through the subreddit and will check other forums to help with these issues (I am using Udio to output instrumental music only no lyrics) (1) How can I prompt udio to REMOVE things like guitar solos or unrelated genres? “no guitar solo” is often ignored. I have also had some success using custom lyrics then not entering any lyrics or just (.) in first line.
FEATURE REQUESTS I SENT TO UDIO TEAM: (1) A custom template would be a good idea. Then I wouldn’t need to delete random genres that are generated it would stick to my template. Even when I use the same prompts this happens consistently. (2) Restrict output to key signatures or related modes (I can enter “F Minor” but it’s hit or miss) (3) Allow audio input to detect key signature and generate extensions from custom audio (I have tons of music snippets lying around that are just unfinished ideas) (3a) allow chords as prompts (similar to above but more specific “a song using C Major E minor and B Diminished”)
sadly, as far as I know, there is no "negative prompting" yet for udio. Only thing I could think of is if there is a term for types of music being played that automatically have a specific instrument excluded. Just like by calling it "a capella", that should automatically exclude all instruments. So is there something similar that excludes specific ones? Dunno. Just a thought. Or maybe something weird like "silent guitar"?
The requests, though they sound great, are all probably things that will eventually make it into it, but are currently too complicated or just lower on their priority list. I know quite a few people have asked for audio upload references.
I normally start with the chorus, as it should be the more interesting part. Then I add extension before, then intro, then before.
Yep, a few others have mentioned this. I also mentioned it in my more recent short version of this video. It's definitely a good idea.
Excellent tutorial!!!!!
After watching all of the iterations that you had to go through, that’s why they are generous with the number of monthly tries they allow you to use.
My only concern with all of this is that since the lyrics are mostly computer generated, I think songs will lose that human experience touch.
That depends on how you look at it. First off, I created my own lyrics, though I used Claude to get some ideas. And then, because of that, that is why I believe quality music will continue on as people with a good ear can tell the difference and seek out the high quality music with good writing. However, the mainstream pop music industry is in trouble. That's how I see things going - at least for the near future.
I've used Udio quite a lot now, and in my experience, by far the most frustrating problem is when the program downright ignores even high priority prompts or - even worse - goes directly against them.
Some examples: was working on a love song to a girl, so used "male vocalist" almost at #1 position of tags. But Udio insisted on giving me extremely female vocals again and again and again. I think I made 30 generations, and out of them, only 2-3 had male vocals (thankfully one of them was perfect, so I did get the song made)
Another example: trying to end a song, so I chose (outro) and entered the final lyrics... Udio completely ignored it and generated a standard clip leading up to another section. I tried this over and over, with the same result. Then tried using the prompt [chorus to fade] and/or [chorus fade], which was also completely ignored. In the end I gave up and took a break, assuming that Udio was temporarily braindead. When I returned later and tried again, Udio produced an absoulutely astonishingly beautiful ending in the very first attempt!
Another common problem is the use of bridges. Almost every time, Udio insists that a bridge is just another word for verse. Using "advanced controls" and adjusting the slider simply results in Udio creating a bridge that has no connection whatsoever to the rest of the song and not only that, it also forgets the verses and chorus from that point, as if you're starting a completely new song.
The reason these problems become so frustrating is, that no matter how horribly your prompts get ignored, the generations still count and it's VERY easy to burn 30-40 credits just fighting against the algorithm before you get something you can work with. This is not just time consuming, it can also get very expensive and it feels so unnecessary.
Quite a bit to respond to here, but yes, for the most part, I agree.
First, as far as the vocals go, yes, I have had this problem a lot. One thing that worked much better for me is to not rely on the prompt and instead put it into the lyrics. Do not put it in the same brackets as verse, chorus, or bridge, but on a separate line and you can even do multiple different ones during the same creation
[Verse 1]
[Male Vocalist 1]
We were just two kids, from the poor side of town
We had nothing but what we haaaad in each other
[Male Vocalist 2]
Together we dreamed of so much more
more than this struggle
more than this strife
[Female Vocals]
I promised myself, one day,
I'd give her the perfect life
Just as an example. It doesn't always work, but it seems to contribute quite a bit.
The problem you were having with the Outro WAS a known bug. People like you and myself were reporting the issue and it was with both regular extensions becoming Outros and Outros just becoming regular extensions. This was posted on their Discord on the 20th: "We have fixed a number of small bugs related to extensions including issues with unintentionally creating outros and cropping the first fraction of a track when using trim mode"
I haven't seemed to have the bridge issue, so I can't really say much on that.
Either way, yes, there are definitely some very frustrating results that we get, but I still think this tool is amazing and it's only going to get better. I'm sure that at some point we'll be able to literally ask specifically for, not only a male or female voice, but a the specific timber or gruffness or whatever too. Just as I think we'll be able to get more specific with the instruments that currently don't exactly follow our requests perfectly either.
Beta. What would one expect
Puppies, fuzzy ducklings and kittens ❤Puppies, fuzzy ducklings and kittens ❤
At least it's showing your comments this time. 😊
@@shadyendeavor ... OMG... This is really strange, dig this. I had spammed your video literally 150+ times with this comment, as they were being removed within seconds. The LAST time I did the same thing on another video, the one comment that finally survived was "double-pasted", just like this one. I had another take that was removed, but will try it again, to see if it works now.
@@shadyendeavor ...The song you made will satisfy the vast majority of pop-radio and Billboard requirements and for a MASSIVE number of people. Been an absolutely MONSTER music fan, since like 12 yo and this is as good as most of what we see on top 100 pop-charts. I would agree... the music industry is in deep trouble with this technology. Serious music fans will still demand human songs, but this song you made will fool far more people than serious music fans would ever be comfortable in admitting.
@@NinjaKittyBonks Just to be clear, are you talking about the "original" version of the song or the one more "country folk" version at the end? or both? I think the "country folk" version is better and therefor would not do as well on the pop-charts. But yes, considering what pop music has become, it doesn't take much for the populous to, well, make it popular. I have found that some of the pop music that is out there, though crap, can actually be pretty good when it's covered by someone with competence and actual musical skills. There have been quite a few times where I've come across a song I really like and didn't realize it was a cover of something terrible like Gaga or Bieber, but the cover musician was able to take the good parts of it and making something much better out of it. Kind of a tangent, but whatever.
It’s actually "you-dio".
Wish it was still 600 free credits a month 😥
Or the 1000+ that it was before that. Sadly, for some reason, these companies actually want to be profitable. 😛
Im working on a great song, but cant get it to end! Lol any tips? Did [Outro] and ending
Is this a problem that is still happening? Or was this something you last tried a couple of days ago? As this was a known issue and Udio supposedly fixed it a day ago or 2. If not, I'm not sure what the issue could be. As long as you have the Outro selected and in addition, if you're doing custom lyrics and put in [Outro], I have no idea why it wouldn't work. At least a couple times it should work.
@@shadyendeavor i was only putting in Outro in the brackets and not selecting that from the user interface. Lol i got my song to end!
@@NewMexicoCountrySongs hahaha, well, oh well, it happens. At least you got it working now!
@@shadyendeavor I have been putting [outro][fade out] and it does what I ask most of the time. Good luck.
Currently, the AI doesn't seem to understand the rhythmic interaction of drums and bass. The AI is also currently unable to give an instrument an independent counter-voice in parallel to the voice. Apparently the AI does not know that the overall sound consists of individual instruments that have to coordinate their individual melodies with each other. But 99,9% of what the music industry produces is hardly better. Quantity instead of quality. Therefore, AI will hopefully destroy the boring mass music and promote the good artists who offer quality.
Heh, exactly. Yeah, it's far from perfect for people that really LISTEN to music. But the mainstream pop music industry is in trouble. Real, good quality music is still in the hands and minds of the artists and audio can just be another tool for them.
Have a question regarding the published songs on Udio. Can anyone use them without worrying about copyright or stealing? Can we use them for TH-cam?
Currently, most all AI, you are not able to copyright. However, you are able to use the songs you create for commercial use according to Udio and their terms of service. So there is definitely no problem using them on TH-cam. I don't know how it works if someone else were to use your music though.
@@shadyendeavor yeah great, im not going too.. hey! I was thinking about your next video idea you could do.. there's a new AI video creation called clipwise ai. It basically make your entire short youtube video in 3 minutes.from just your prompt even adds text to Flow with words..ai generated voice, . free download for 2 videos. Watch a clipwise youtube video. I was impressed
Shorten the words in a line to get better results ;-)
I could be wrong, but to me, that just seemed like more of a placebo. I would get mixed results either way. More just the randomness of the platform.
@@shadyendeavor From a logical point of view, the more syllables used per line, the higher the risk of the ai messing them up (wrong flow of words, emphasis on wrong syllables)
I've tried a couple of times to ask the chat ai to align the number of syllables per line and it did work to some degree, but not 100%. Generally, though, the lines need a good rhythmic flow, as fool-proof as possible, and it may be a good idea to try reading out the lines before entering them, just to make sure the flow is good and natural.
Great tutorial, but how do I publish on Spotify?
No idea. I don't use Spotify at all. So definitely no clue on how to publish to them. Sorry.
Although it's not free you can use distrokid to distribute your music to pretty much any streaming platform
You have to use a distributor. Most popular is Distrokid
Apparently Apple is the way to go, but the lawyers are in hot pursuits with their pieces of paper and large wage bills that need paying by somebody
I’d never publish. Someone can identify your creation as being harmful or offensive.. I also never listen to other ai creations only my own
but you listened to mine if you watched the whole video 😉
You are weird😄
@@simakautas I take that as a compliment!
Besides classical, haven't listened to "music" in years. It all became derivative. Maybe AI generated will bring me back to it ( sorry humans ) .
Yep, completely understood. Every once in a while something will sneak onto my radar that is decent, but not often. You can definitely create non-pop stuff pretty well with this. I made one track that sounded like Steve Vai playing for 3 minutes straight. Sounded pretty good. So yes, maybe AI is what will actually "save" music in some aspect. It still takes human ingenuity of some sort, so I don't feel too bad.
I'm finding the freedom to create is very profound, and have made some corkers, to be fair.
now we can choose to truncate or only keep a section in the middle to append, big qol improvement. also, spamming [bridge] is an easy way to get good variations : th-cam.com/video/XHcIpb5Q61E/w-d-xo.html
yeah, the feature, like the paid plans, were announced during my editing of this, so I wasn't able to add that in here. The [bridge] idea sounds like the same idea as what someone else mentioned here, but instead using [chorus]. I can see how both ways would be good ideas to try out. Probably depends on the lyrics you have for which would be better.