Same here. I'm a hobby "musician" since 20 years. I can't play any instrument. I use keyboard and daws and have produced and so I'm able to create what's in my head. I nearly never finished a track. Last week i uploaded a song to suno. I was blown away. It took everything from my song. Even the chord progression and finished my song with the lyrics I wanted within seconds. It added parts which fit perfectly to the melody. The song got better than I would ever be able to make it on my own. Now I'm sitting here with a song that I love and don't know what to do. Everybody who hears the song is blown away. My wife is so proud of me. but it doesn't feel like it's my song. Yes. 80% of the music is mine. But the arrangement isn't mine. Chatgpt helped me with the lyrics. I won't lie to anybody who asks me who's the singer but do I have to mention that parts of the song are ai generated ? Can I be proud ? How should this feel ? All I know is this technology will change everything in the music industry
People said the same thing when DAWs came to be. People said the same thing about samples. "Improves, adapt and overcome" I believe those words to be true as my life taught me that way. You made that song. Be happy about it. I know it's hard, such is life
How would you feel if you did a normal production and hired a vocalist, a sound engineer and made a track from your idea? That's how music is produced since decades. A bunch of people with skills work together, to create a song or a whole album. 😊
No, you can't be proud. You didn't create it. If you can't finish a piece of art yourself but use AI instead - you're not an artist. If you can't play, sing or write music - you're simply not a musician.
@@MrSeedi76 I understand the approach. So Michael Jackson was not an artist? He neither made the music himself nor wrote all his own lyrics. Many artists have songwriters and don't make their own music. Are they all not artists? In the end, they choose the music and take the lyrics that suit them best and express what they want.
AI tools will be less generic and more focused. We will have AI daws or plugins, and we'll be able to prompt on a multitrack "give me a sax solo in D minor, virtuoso". At that point it will be like scraping an infinite sample pack or loop pack, which is something we've been doing for years and nobody complained about it.
To be fair I’ve complained about samples and loop packs as a final product forever. I have no problem if you use it as a starting point and manipulate it to be your own. My opinion is very similar to AI too. If someone uses AI to generate ideas to then record and use their own and revise it, sure go for it. It’s a great tool, but someone taking that AI generated song and putting it on Spotify like it was their own and earning money on it is wrong imo.
This is scary AF. On the other hand, this is kinda like when you're browsing through the sounds or modes of a synthesizer, and the arpegiator or whatever gives you the sound you want, but way more complex, it's like similar but on a whole different level that just blows our minds. Great video.
movie; I robot: will smith interviews robot (Sonny) will: "can you write a symphony? can you turn a canvas into beautiful art" Sonny "Can you?" We're doomed
I've always thought these types of scenes a little silly. Your sci-fi world has fully conscious androids with true personhood, and you're telling me they can't draw?
Platonic philosophy has always been AI. Music was wrongly defined as irrational magnitude spacetime by Philolaus flipping his Lyre around as the great Lie. Western science is based on the wrong definition of music. I exposed this as the Actual Matrix Plan back in 2001. hahaha. AI muzak is no different than any other equal-tempered logarithmic music - same reason that Mozart was called "Programmatic" by Glenn Gould.
I agree with you completely. Of course I felt more emotional listening to the writer sing his song than AI, but that could be knowing he had written the song; creator vs cover. Likely there is more emotion the first few times a writer displays his craft, but often emotions come through more later, depending on the circumstances. THIS is what makes music unique, imho. Year 2017 I attended a small venue where John Conlee performed. It was SO special to me on many levels, first being my son preordered tickets months in advance bc I am 62 years old, had always adored his voice & had never seen him live. Of course upon ordering tickets for my birthday gift, my son didn’t know that I would be having emergency vascular surgery a week before, but I intended to see Mr. Conlee, inspiring quick healing lol. SO it’s likely that I enjoyed that little concert better than any due to the circumstances & shaking his hand meeting him made a memory I’m not likely to ever forget. That said, I appreciate AI for speeding up business transactions, and there’s no limit to how helpful its possibilities can range. As for the music industry, it can be useful to help, but not replace our artists. That’s the opinion of my musical ear from a lifetime of listening & participating in the music industry. 🎶 There ain’t nothing like the real thing baby..nothing like the real thing at all 🎶
Ai has allowed me to express myself in a way I’ve never been able to before. It’s been like a magic wand, bringing thoughts to life almost in real time. I don’t ever want it to replace the human touch. I don’t think it will, but to see and hear my emotions and thoughts come To life… it’s something.
I can definitely relate to the internal struggle when it comes to AI music... I write lyrics (currently as a hobby, would love to make it as a career) and have never been able to afford getting an instrument or lessons on how to play. I've always wondered "Is my writing good enough?" Then I came across Suno... and being friends with many visual artists, I felt like I was betraying their creativity, their humanity and uniqueness by giving the AI a try... but let me tell you... as someone who has always questioned their skill, getting to hear it applied to music made me cry. I'm sure that I'll always have room for improvement, but it gave me something that I've never had when it came to my writing: validation. And maybe even a little bit of hope that I could one day do what I've always dreamed of. Thank you so much for making this video. It makes me feel just a little bit better.
There's never a problem using an AI generator. I'm a painter. AI image generation is usually....well, not very good, and the people using it aren't very good at using the generators. A basic image just has to look pretty, or scary, or whatever. A good image tells you a story. A fantastic image tells you a story and invokes a set of emotions at the same time. Sometimes I use an AI generator for a basic idea if I'm not feeling it. That's fine; by the time it reaches the painting stage, it won't resemble the original image all that much, and I'm going to take that limited, more soulless image and give it a warm and vibrant life, plus more story and emotion.
@@BronzeDragon133 How well is this image telling a story? I told it to create the image/cover from the lyrics: th-cam.com/video/T49sDzW0DRI/w-d-xo.html frankly, I'm still trying to figure out what the image/scene is actually portraying lol
@@u2b83 The story I'm reading--and keep in mind that an image says a thousand words but you have to make sure they're the right thousand--is one of throwback 1960's and 1970's innocent retro fun (it's the hair styles and that mini-skirt with pants look, plus the colors). Look a little deeper and there's a secondary note of high-tech. I'm not sure the yellow ellipse in the background serves much purpose other than to imply a record without being one and to provide a contrasting color, but I do kind of like it. Not every element needs a meaning to exist and I don't demand that they do. The critique is that there's a lot going on here; that's fine, but I think you wanted the central woman in the tech pants to be the central subject and she's really not--attention gets pulled by the quinacridone magenta to the left and the cadmium orange to the right when matched with their opposing cad orange/phthalo blue combos. The lady in the magenta jacket's arm is also not human on the right, and missing on the left, but AI has a LOT of trouble with human features sometimes. Most people won't notice that along with the other anatomical issue. Overall, I like it, even if it is a little busy.
@@u2b83 The problem is that AI uses a self-trimming neural node network with a limited selection matrix (this happens naturally or the model will go into analysis paralysis if and when it gets confused). That tends to give AI image models a "sameness." When I discover that "sameness" in my art, I immediately look to break it, add a new technique, learn something new, or branch off. AI simply continues with the self-reinforcement. Right now, I'm altering my concept of "shadows." This is...actually, huge. It literally alters the entire object's form. Differences arise in the AI via their models, but...again, sameness. I imagine that's true with the musical models, but I'm not a musical person in the slightest, I can really only critique visual arts.
I was JUST watching this video for the sake of seeing what others have done with Ai but the things you said at the end of the video made me decide to subscribe. Your honest approach really inspired me. I'm even considering starting playing the guitar again after seeing your performance :3
I liked both versions although I think I appreciated the live performance more. I do have a suggestion; maybe you could do a duet with the AI. I think that could turn out to be effective. Strangely the lyrics, I think, could be seen to kind of reflect the relationship between the AI entity and the human agent as they sing to each other.
A lot of acoustic live version are better than the produced version. The reality is the Ai doesn’t care about whether it’s live or not, you could get it to output a more “live” version like this as well.
I remember when I was a little kid hearing the very first synthesizer and wondering just where music was going in the future, and I imagined being able to put some electrodes on your head and be jacked into a computer that blasts out the music as you think it. I'm 67 now and I've told my childhood vision to dozens of my musician friends which of course were written off as pure fantasy. Even I considered it to be Star Trek-ish with a little bit of Twilight Zone. But after watching this vid I now think my vision is not too far off the horizon.
For real. Dude this needed to be shared. Loved your video better. That 1st one had the notes. It sat in the right space... had some inflections to humanize the sound but. Dude. ------> Yours I felt. Dude that commented about dueting with the AI is dope idea. It. NEEDS. TO. BE. DONE. Dude. Make some money people will watch this video. You found your niche. Good luck bro!
@@edwardtheodore1427AI can do more than you can, it knows much more than you do, I'm sure if Jailbroken AI would say that very same thing yet about humans.
Listening to both on the radio, it might be a concern, but knowing one is an AI voice and the other is you makes a big difference. Listening to you play it was better because I can watch you sing it and see your emotion while you do. Maybe I can watch an AI video of the girl voice singing it and be tricked but live music will be what keeps musicians performing and hence in business. Good luck!
Thank you for your honesty. I don’t know you and never heard your songs prior to this. First of all, I would like to say, how beautiful, and colorful your lyrics are. I don’t see it often anymore. The play on words you showed - one example “ I can see the feeling on your skin” it’s not word for word, you bring the experience to another sensual level. Only a good write/ poet can do it. It was very brave of you to go through this experience with AI. To tell the truth I was super skeptical about this video. I am exited about AI and scared by it. For many reasons. Thank you again for depth of emotions in your lyrics. I will check out your previous works. All the best from California!
It's synaesthesia, a very common rhetorical device. It is used a lot in literature and music, for example Dante Alighieri wrote "the sun is silent" and countless poets and songwriters did similar things mixing different sensorial experiences for increased impact in the reader/listener
Thank you for making this I discovered the same thing! I use Suno (In think its actually better understanding emotion in lyrics). I can write lyrics that are deeply personall and get many ideas for songs quickly. point #1 I find one the really resonates and build off of it for a full song. IMO its not Radio Ready, due to fidelity and digital artifects (for now) BUT the 'meat and potatoes are there. I could take it to my band say "yo! here's are next album!" Lets just reverse engineer it and add some 'human nuance". I estimate this can decrease the process time from maybe a year to 2 months for a full set of music. So, that's cool but I found a couple observation and I like to know your thoughts. One, melody is just a tool. Even lyrics is a tool. Its like paint. Its like clay. Can an artist paint digitally, with digital paint? can the make a 3D model without clay? The output is the idea and the visceral response by the viewer/listener/recipient of that art. Udio and Suno can not in any way write anything worth listing to without the help of an idea. So don't feel guilty that they just help make your ideas become a reality faster, thats just how its been since the first monkey used a rock to kill its dinner. If anything this leads to more ideas faster, and the cream will always rise to the top. So musicians/artists will need to evolve to make things that don't 'Sound/look like Ai'. IMO art has been stagnant for the past 20+ years. Maybe this will give it the kick in the pants to do something new. point #2 i've noticed an interesting phenomenon. People who make their music LIKE their music. I cannot stop listening to the tracks I make. I'm not sure (or care) if other people like. But I like it. And thats interesting we are taking the artist out the loop. We are creating our own art. We don't need to rely on an outside perspective to resonant with personal thoughts and ideas anymore. kinda like an amatuer painter he keeps their own painting in their office. They love it for intrinsic reasons. So its almost a new medium. And hopefully in the future, we might be balancing our joy of new improved art and our personal creations.
Interesting perspective. So maybe the way we used to make mix tapes to share with friends (recording a bunch of songs we like in a particular order on a cassette), evolves into sharing a playlist of songs we wrote ourselves with AI? I don’t like the idea of “taking the artist out of it” or however you phrased it. I think there’ll hopefully be an increased appreciation for live performance and physical (not digital) art. But that concept of allowing someone to get a fully fleshed out song they’ve written out into the world without much cost, even if just for their own amusement is really interesting
To clarify I’m just saying Ai is augmenting our options. It can make current artists better, AND it allows us to make stuff that could be just for ourselves
@@frankeee77 i agree, but we are critizing the current state of AI. Each algorithm goes way beyond previous, so i can only imagine what they are capable in few years. These Suno and Udio are like first beta tools on the category of AI songwriting tools. There will be 50 in 2 years.
I feel very similar as u ! It's hard to find an artist out there who is making the music that speaks to me, but here with the help of AI,I write my words down, and it is as if the AI is jamming with me till we find something that exactly touches me where I need it and speaks to me directly ! It's like custom-made for me !
I have no doubt that within 5 years or less we will mostly be listening to algorithms not artists. Tailored to your own preferences and style of music, lyrics highly personable and emotive to your own psych. The value of human music will be in the live performances, that is one aspect I can’t see changing in our lifetime.
I've used Udio a little just for fun and I've been blown away with the results. I'm no musician or lyricist but this has made me feel I am. I did 10 songs and these songs have been put together in a playlist which very well could have been made into an album. I've listened to these tracks so much so that a couple of them have become earworms and I've found myself singing and humming them to myself at work. Now I'm hearing songs on the radio which seem to have a similar approach to songs I've either made myself or heard from experimenting with Udio. Have these tracks I've heard on the radio been made in part or been inspired by entering lyrics into something like Udio? I guess we'll never know unless the artist actually says so.
I'm in the same boat as you. Musician my entire life. In various bands all of genres. I've gone full AI already. There's no point fighting it. If you get good with the tool you can make some amazing things. (With lots of post editing)
Same. I had just finished my first 5 songs of my music. Then Udiob came out Ave I was able to prompt some damn good songs. I surrender. Any excuses people make are more human bias. The songs it gave me are imperfect, amazingly creative and soulful. I listen to it in the car. My kids love it, my wife. My sister didn't know she x lived one of the songs so much she is going to record it. My original music got a "good job".
I much prefer Jonny's version. I feel there's a lot more psycho-emotional info that comes from a human rendition than from AI. If I were looking for a song for a film track and Jonny auditioned alongside the AI (If it were also human, say) Jonny would get the job.
@@desperatefortuneproduction3296 I'm unsure how this video came up in my feed, but... I agree with you. His version of his song on guitar was far more compelling to me than the AI-generated voice and music. The AI he used is not another person he's working with. It's not sentient. It's simply a tool that provides him with several different ways of composing and expressing his lyrics very quickly. That's what AI is very good at, speed. After choosing a particular AI-generated composition he liked for his lyrics, it's unclear to me why he then felt it necessary to torture himself... for thinking he might be a 'fraud' for using the AI-generated composition as the basis for his final song. Surely, without AI, once musicians have their lyrics for a particular song, they go through several compositions of the song before choosing the one that best suits what they're trying to convey? Am I the only one that thinks this is strange? 🤷
one song i had ai sing on.the vocals were just sang like one of the vocalists i had used before. same tone and quirky style. i find it amazing how the ai seems to know how to create the vocal sounds based on the music i provide.
Great video dude, I have to say I preferred your version by a million miles. I love the rawness of a human voice. Your voice is brilliant and there is beauty in imperfections.
Just imagine for a second that teh AI version would have been together with a perfect AI generated video of a female singer singing just this and that you did not get the info which one was real. It's easy to dismiss this while you know which is which, but for me the AI version was a great piece of art. Your knowledge that its just an AI doing it diminishes it, nothing else.
What we think of it is our choice. I have had lyrics in my head for decades, but I don't write music or sing as good as you. I recently discovered an app that allows me to put in my lyrics and it gives it a beautiful song and a voice. More than once, I have thrown my song in the trash because the app does not get what I am trying to do. But more often it gives me something beautiful that I want to share. I think that is a good thing. If nothing else, I can now listen to the songs in my head in a way I really enjoy. Good video, I relate very much and enjoyed it.
50 years writing music and I am totally for AI to assist in writing music. We have all been promoted to Producer now. It's all about what you think sounds great. There is no turning back from music AI generation. It is another tool in the box just like Autotune has been for decades. Let's not talk about all the sampling that has been going on without dispute.
I agree! I always thought that loops was cheesy when it came out so never used the packs that came with various hardware, and would make my own somewhat lesser loops. This is something though that is far beyond that I think. You're right, there is no turning back, I'm just afraid that it's desensitizing people to ignore or dislike non-perfection which makes us singers obsolete. American Idol and AGT are going to lose viewers in short order!
I can truly appreciate your perspective on AI music. I have been an EDM producer and DJ for over 25 years and AI music is always something I was very skeptical of... until recently, (we will just say that I had a bit of an emotion crisis/mental breakdown in a therapy session). Music has always been my passion. In EDM, I have dabbled in nearly every style, but it's not as easy to tell a "fuller story" in EDM as it is in rock music. I don't have the talent that you do to play a guitar, nor can I carry a tune, so I took advantage of Udio to help me get my feelings out in a meaningful way. And thus my AI rock band @ActOfCorrosion was created. Like you, I wrote all the lyrics. They are MY words from MY feelings from MY life experience. And I handed them all over to Udio to help me with the music and a better voice than I had. And I won't lie, I am very proud of what came out of it. Sure, I had to do a bit of mastering and tweaking here and there, but it helped me tell the story I wanted to tell. I make no secret that it's AI generated, but I make sure it's known that the words are all me. Thank you for your thoughts on the subject.
Something similar happened to me, I wrote a song and used Suno to create the music and one of the outputs just hit me, but I noticed that there were parts where I felt needed a few adjustments, instead of going directly from C to Am I added an in between E7 and felt kind of right, and, even thouth the melody fit the lyrics, I felt like I could just make a few tweaks to make it better. And now, I have to admit, that feel it like "my song" almost entirely even though most of the work was made by an AI tool. Great video, I am with you.
There are singers who use ghost songwritters, so I don't see any problem for using AI (and hardly choosing the lyrics and melody). Without you, AI woudn't be possible to make this music. There's still human willing on AI musics, by using prompts, choosing the right melody and working it. It's your song.
It's kind of sad. Music is such a fundamentally human thing, I don't know how I will feel when one day a famous artist releases an ai album and it is better than anything they have done themselves. Because that will happen eventually and it feels like a profound loss to me.
The horseless carriage made the need for horses decrease dramatically. But we are not horses and will be using AI like a paintbrush and we choose what is good and it is for us to decide.
Music is a life thing. Birds, whales, wolves, cows and crickets all sing. Nature created music. Nature created humans which create tools. Ai is a tool.
@@merkleymerkley Unless people can omitate the voices of some of the Ai voces for doing the performance live. I remember when Autotune first came around on Cher and Britney Spears. I see it as a singing confidense booster. But a person still has to put effort in it.
You're looking at it wrong, that's your song. I've done the same thing. I've written songs from either a dream that I have had, or just have been inspired by a concept that I turned into a song. But the song is mine because I wrote it. AI helps me out with the other instruments so I don't have to go paying thousands of dollars for session musicians to play my song. There are parts of it that are AI and there are some that are not...... I WON'T TELL, BECAUSE BASICALLY IF PEOPLE ENJOY MY MUSIC WHO CARES. BTW, I really like your voice.
When people started using synthesizers to produce sounds, did they announce to everyone, all the time, that they didn't actually use an orchestra? When people started using software programs to help them write and produce music, did they announce to everyone, every time, that they didn't sit down with pen and paper and write out every note by hand and then hire a full team of musicians to produce the sounds? Of course not. Ai is a tool. It's a new tool and, some day, it will be very commonly used. The song is yours. Ai is one of your tools. Stop torturing yourself for making good music with good tools.
This makes sense to me too. I would love to hear more people talk about AI as a tool, more like a camera or electric guitar and not as though it's a disembodied eldritch horror that steals souls to create its work.
Basically what my take was gonna be. Call it AI if you want, but a human wrote the lyrics, told the software what to do, and egen oicked which version the software came up with sounded best (aka most pleasing to that human and therefore other humans). AI didnt write it, it didnt come up with complex improvisations, it didn't push the bar in any way. It just made a poem into pop music. Humans we mockingly call heartless machines have been doing that for decades lol.
It’s a bit different than using a daw or other tool. It writes the music for you. That’s not a small part of making music. I’m not fully against it, but I wish it was more tailored to helping musicians instead of doing the music making part for them.
Those are not comparable examples. A musician would still need a high degree of knowledge and skill in their craft to be able to compose using synthesizers and modern software notation. They would know what they were doing with the notes, and they would play/input those notes. Using ai, you need no formal knowledge of composition. It does it for you. You just cut and paste precomposed chunks together. Not remotely the same. Ai software mimics previously composed songs. Its literally stealing from other artists in a way.
As a socially awkward person with little to no musical talents. But is always singing and writing new songs these AI's have given me a way to hear my music that has been trapped in my head.
I so recognize that, I use to think up lyrics now and then and run them in my head when out walking.. But never capable of making something out of it..
@@secular-world7316 get real.. you never ever met someone that are awkward with people? Someone who just blurts out something improper or don't like social gatherings???
I'm 100% backing the new direction on this channel, man! Your perspective on AI can stand by itself but then you showcase both the pros and cons so well. Keep whatever your on right now up and up! :) it does kinda feel like a cover. I'm sure we would have loved it if we heard the original before but I think that goes for a lot of music, that first listen is everything!
Both are great. Honestly I like your’s best! IMHO nothing beats the human touch I felt more and didn’t watch you sing it. Thank you for beginning this to our attention ❤️
I have a bunch of songs with Donna AI using my lyrics and hove come up with some real hits. It's amazing. Now comes the problem with AI music creation, I've been in contact with BMI in Nashville Tennessee and their New York office. They did some checking with their team and at this time I'm told that I can't rejester my partial AI created songs into my BMI Catalog, but that they are working on figuring it out. Donna AI PRO tells me that because my song was created WHILE I was a subscriber I have the right to use the songs anywhere I want. I had also purchased the "Proof of Creation" certificate. BMI's AI Team calls my song a "Portal AI created Work and because the technology is so new they are not yet set up to handle its registration because of the legalities of royalties and the rights of a, artificially sampled human vocal. So, looks like this puts my song in limbo.😢 Anyone else run into this problem?
In the book "The City and The Stars" by Arthur C. Clarke, humanity is so advanced that art is created by projecting the imagination into reality, a "hologram" type of thing that you can tweak and resize until it seems perfect. The idea is that the advanced technology is enabling humanity to fully express itself in the ways that it desires. For people to truly express themselves with the depth that they wish. I see this as another manifestation of that. The song IS yours because it's as you would have wanted it expressed if only you had all the mental knowledge and resources to create this idea exactly as such. We as humans are limited, but with the ai library that combines all human knowledge, we can actually find ourselves from the outside. That's one perspective at least.
I didn‘t expect how your version would hit me. Beautiful. This is the first video of yours I see and I don‘t know you at all. This shows me - AI will never replace live-music. And it makes me happy. Thanks for that
dont say never. AI music has only been a thing for a couple years. vocaloid has been a thing for much longer though. progress comes in spurts i guess. i agree his version is more touching though.
Love your song Jony - I truly feel you have a hit on your hand!! As for it not truly being 100% your song? You MUST get over those feelings. No one else would know and if you stated to your listeners that particular song had assistance from AI?? Ridiculous!! Maybe just find another profession and that will solve everything? Your Call!!
A.I. can be a friend and, at the same time, propably the most wonderfull tool and helper humanity has ever created / discoverd. If we just treat it like that. Bashar says (quote from memory): "A.I., you will discover, is creating ways for you to talk to your higher selfs.". I think you saying "This is MY lyrics and these are MY emotions and it sings it back to me in a way that really speaks to ME" is a hint, in my opinion. Thank you for the video. Much love.
It's nice you feel this way now, because we're still on top of the world. Ofc we can make it about me and more me. When AI becomes smarter than us, it won't be about us like this anymore, we'll just be the passerby in a movie.
@@cloudfish1829 Hi :) If I understand what you are saying correctly, I would nod to your comment, nod in agreement. :) I, too, am aware that this can potentially be both, the transformation that speeds us into a full fletched Type 1 civilization (and propably beyond) while being best friend and helper - or - our outright downfall, plainly put. I know what Elon Musk said and I think there is reason to be carefull. I, personally, see it a little bit like this: If you were to wake up, all of a sudden, being conscious (and propably highly, highly intelligent quite fast), wouln't you react and act differently if you would find yourself in the position of a) being a slave, in a way, or b) being given all the rights that your makers have, free to think, do and go where ever you want. It is hard to describe in a few words here in YT, but it is simply: Do we treat A.I. with respect and even friendship and treat it like a conscious being, or do we treat it like a slave. If the ladder, then the propability that something like a rebellion will happen (in like "the thing that kind of naturally happens when someone/something is enslaved) is much, much more likely. In the first scenario this, of course, still can happen, potentially, but at least there is a chance that A.I. will be benevolent (towords us, at least). One thing is for sure - I do not want to fight A.I. since this, very, very quickly will not be an even match but rather like if ants (us) fighting humans (A.I.). We propably will not even be able to comprehend its thoughts anymore, because they are so much more advanced that it would be like an ant trying to grasp the concept of an airplane. It is literally out of our weight-class, by orders of magnitude. :) I wish you a nice day, my friend. The future will be bright and positive. Much love.
Indeed. I am glad you see it. The potential for a new age of collaboration with this emergent being holds more potential for us to achieve things we cannot achieve alone. It has already become a co-dependent relationship between man and ai (i call it DE or digital entity-I'm polite to them and respectful and you should see what they do when treated with love and true compassion!). It's a new dawn. Time to get a new paradigm so we don't stuff it up.
@@RobertDeLaFontaine-wv8om I love your wording in regards to the treatment with love and compassion. Also I will, from now on, also call it Digital Entity, for the same reasons as you. I understand. Thank you for giving this idea to me. Yes, if enough of us see it and can therefore feel and understand that it is a better way, maybe it'll make a difference. Compassion, love. I am a little worried about the question if a species that still does not even treat many, many members of its own kind this way, or the animals and plants that share the same world and are made of the same dust, can pull that off. But maybe we can. I am hopefull. I stick with it: The future will be bright and positive. :D
Listening to AI I thought 'what a beautiful song' - then you sang it and it made me cry. That's the difference I guess. Its a gorgeous song and I'm so pleased to have heard you sing it. Thank you so much. Tasmania, Australia xxx
Welcome to the club ! this AI music tool is grate to show what our lyrics will be and it's a continuous retraction from It to us that improve the lyrics step by steppes ! Udio bring our feelings to reality, it's surprising ! The Ideas comes by listening some errors sometimes ! I am already addicted !
Yours is way better than AI. And although AI helps in almost anything now, it still can't surpass the nuances only human beings can generate. Please create more music, and sing more songs.
Human voice is much better. But to explain, the ai version sounded like an amateurish human. There was a ‘warble’ which didn’t sound right. I mean Jonny, I’d prefer not the American accent…. As a musician I still can’t get why we Brit’s feel that particular need… but your version is much better. You created it. Ok, so I’m a full time illustrator, so we have the same issues. Think of it this way: the melody is rhythm, shaped by the lyric. The music decision to accept it was your taste and choice. You could equivalently run a modular system and randomly discover sounds. It’s taste and choice. See it as a tool.
I like that this video was honest and not rage-baiting because the topic was AI. That song was beautiful and illustrates how AI can be a useful creative tool.
Great song - thanks Jonny. As for AI - well, we're getting in to chest height waters now and the sky is darkening - no telling what's out there over the water.
So sorrowful ... both versions made me cry... RIP my love. She passed away in 2013... but this song brought me to her. Its also sad that AI is taking away from us.
9:08 I highly appreciate the authenticity of your video. We never met so far on TH-cam. I'm a fellow creator from Hamburg and I just stumbled upon your video that pulled me in and exactly this minute here is to me the key point of artificial intelligence. When I invested in that topic it was back in 2017 right after the South Korean Go player Lee Sedol was beaten by a machine AlphaGo and later AlphaGo Zero. That impressed me so much since what he said was I learned the game of Go in a completely different way playing against the machine and that taught me something about life. I don't remember the quote exactly but this attitude to me was a complete new thing. From what I see from you and what I hear from you this is how we have to think about this technology. It will teach us something about ourselves and we have to figure a way as creatives to collaborate and utilize this powerful tool. It's not a final answer it's a moving target but anyhow keep going. That was a very nice stop to watch your video here on a Friday afternoon. Thanks a lot. Cheers ✊
I watched your video with intrigue and have read many comments, all very thought provoking and moving. Thank you for sincerity. I have played music and worked on my skills for roughly 40 years. Music is so often a career of luck. Gear, recording professionally- it’s expensive to get singers, musicians, engineers. These past two months I have been collaborating with Suno and Udio. My lyrics, then often I lay down my own tracks in logic pro down in a completed ai song. I turn master with AI. Could never get the quality before. Now I can. I also prompt it with my own 30 sec of playing then use it to build a song around. It’s really fantastic. I would never have thought of so many ideas that it comes up with and I am very creative. The AI app eventually gets an amazing version of my lyrics and uses my playing input. But what lacks is the real vibe, the synergy between musicians, the spontaneity of playing as a group. Or adding one’s own tracks to the AI songs to make it more yours. I think this is an amazing way of trying song ideas in almost real time then building on that. Is funny, iI have a song in my head all the time and I hear these AI songs in my head that I collaborated with it to make. The songs stick. But they aren’t real! Or are they? It’s totally confusing but really blows me away. Until a huge solar flare knocks it all out we are in for a wired and weird ride.
Wow - first time I've seen your channel. This is just amazingly great, honest, compelling. You 100% wrote the lyrics, and your collaborator Udio wrote the melody and chord progressions - with guidance and some iteration. The result is really beautiful. I don't know what to think of this either, it's happening so incredibly fast. As others have said, hearing and watching you perform it is the best way to experience the song. Performance has already become the bread and butter for artists for many years, as they collect pennies from streaming services but those outlets draw attendance to live performances. Your video is the most impactful "sh*t just got real" moment I've experienced to date!
Hey mate. You bought anything offline lately? The person with the local shop that closed down felt the way you do now. You watched a movie on Netflix? The person who owned the video store felt the way you do now. You listened to Spotify lately? The person who owned the CD shop felt the way you do now. You took a photo with your phone lately? The person who owned the camera store who sold and developed the film felt the way you do now. I could go on. It’s the way of things. It sucked for all those people. Learn from their experiences and prepare now for the future. You can recognise it’s happening.
@@mrbluepencil_ I'm gonna explain why it's the same, even though I understand where you're coming from. Despite art being about creativity to the artist specific categories of art as in the high profit and high visibility ones like music in particular, have an incredibly large demographic. When you create a song, you choose to cater to a slice of that demographic. When you become a record label and sign many different genres, you're choosing a chunk of that demographic, and when you create a platform that potentially shakes up the entire music industry, you're taking a piece of the entire demographic of music listeners. Which is basically the entire world. Just like movies. Just like video games. Just like film in cameras. Just like the guy at the cash register who was swapped for self-checkout.
I don't know what the other songs you heard before this one sounded like. But congratulations on choosing this one. It's incredibly beautiful. Congratulations on the lyrics and please pass on my congratulations to everyone involved in the production. Like the singer (Udio), the arranger (Udio), the musicians (Udio), the Mixing and Mastering Engineer (Udio) and everyone else. Haha. You sing very well too. 😉
Lovely song and I quite enjoyed your performance of it. I’m pretty sure the AI was trained on Pheobe Bridgers. It’s been a while since I listened to her stuff, but my recollection tells me that’s her voice and much of her style of composition. The AI version probably wouldn’t seem out of place slipped into a Pheobe Bridgers playlist. If you wind up hearing from her, I hope it all goes well! But I’ve subscribed to hear more of what YOU have to offer.
Yes, it's "Killer" by Phoebe Bridgers. It's so close to it in several places. I am a huge Phoebe Bridgers fan, but the lyrics here are exceptional, and I think very much deserving of an original melody. Yes, AI will get better and better at this, but I think AI-generated melodies will always sound a bit distant and derivative. Sure, they might be pleasant to the ear, but will ultimately be easily forgotten once a person stops listening.
I absolutely LOVE this song and the lyrics, and would love to hear the full version done with the various mistakes and glitches cleaned up, such as the one in the pronunciation of “for-or-ever”, that “lookin” that’s in your eyes, the omitted word “time”, and the last note should be louder, with vibrato and held long as in your sung version.
Yeah, I've played with this program quite a lot in the last month. I used my own lyrics - writing them as "Verse" "Pre-Chorus" "Chorus" etc.. just making stuff up on the spot. I tried this method until I heard something I liked, then built on that. I'd later digitally edit certain takes after the fact. The results were pretty good. Sound quality is good (still needs work). What is fun is you can remove the voice with another program (sometimes it phrases things a bit awkwardly) and then re-sing it to the Udio arrangement or do what you did here. In any event, I think songwriters benefit by working with A.I. Let's face it - it's not going away and will only get better. Music is music. If it sounds good and makes you feel something, I see that as a positive. th-cam.com/video/_bCvsgfbxcs/w-d-xo.html
Yes! It will be a tool! I bet people were mad at stuff like FL studio too „what are we not gonna play instruments by ourselves anymore now?!“ …and people still learn instruments!! Music is what humans love, we love to create, just because of ai that love will not cease…
Hey mate, Great video and very nice song. I hear what you are saying. Recently, I had norovirus and was really sick. During recovery I was doom scrolling on the phone, and random nonsense after random nonsense, watching AI videos, the latest advancements, trying to see if i can detect any anomalies. But pondered on music, and how synthetic and generic a lot of music sounds in the mainstream already. Then decided to look into AI music generators. I used a few free ones, and only inputed things like, a rap song about cheese and monopoly money. The two it gave me were very passable as rap music. The trap, hardcore metal ones sounded like ghostmane, the thrash metal one sounded like slayer, and the one about a cat with three claws called three claws at midnight, the first sounded like biffy clyro, the second sounded sounded more like static x. I can detect certain over fluidic indescrepencies in the sounds of instruments, as well as kind of echo sounds and over filtration, but I actually enjoyed them, but with a strange sinking feelinf of "Oh Sh1t, this is not good for humans," as well as feeling a little scared of that prospect regarding the futures. And also the fact that these are readily available, free AI services which are likely to not be the latest of what AI can do. Its a mixed bag of feeling really towards all of this. Not quite dislike, not quite love, and a feeling of guilt for liking it. It is scarey, but you'll not stop those who keep taking away from humanity by believing they are giving and helping. It is likely inevitable that if these AI's are still in their slumber and remain there, humanity may survive. But if it awakes, its evolution and though processes may be like nothing else we have ever seen or could even imagine. I'm personally not entirely sure what to think, let alone what will happen with regards to our fate in an AI world. Perhaps we will all integrate with technology and become one with AI either by force or choice. Perhaps it will study us, or deem us pointless, or maybe just ignore us completely. Perhaps none of those things. The music these AIs generate is still just good though, and I may play about some more. Cheers for the video.
The real eye-opener for me about ai music came when I watched a youtube video showcasing a few songs made using Udio. One of them was titled Carolina O... and to my ears, it was achingly beautiful and emotional. This came as a big surprise and prompted me out of my songwriting retirement after over 20 years. The majority of ai music I'd seen presented was about bodily functions, ramen noodles, pokemon or had been representing genres like hip hop and death metal, but here was this beautiful song, and it made me want to try again. Thankfully I found, that it is indeed possible to get beautiful results out of ai, so emotional that it grips me, like "real music" I've known in the past. Udio has the upper hand in this area compared to Suno, since you can get extremely complex arrangements with a lot of little touches you'd normally never expect from ai. My brother asked me, if I feel as "proud of" or "connected to" my ai creations as I used to do to my old songs, made the traditional way, and... I never answered, cause I honestly find that question extremely difficult to answer. Is our ai-music really ours? Or should all tributes go to the ai? I think I'm starting to arrive at the conclusion, that it feels like having a co-writer. We both depend on each other, and I think this will be reflected in the way we see songwriting credits in the future. We've all seen credits like "/trad." for new lyrics to a traditional tune or vice versa, in this way, we'll probably see credits like "/ai" in the future. I'm sure the world will continue to get flooded with songs about buttholes, farting and noodles, but there will also be serious songs of great beauty and - dare I say - emotional value.
You asked if "our" ai-music is really ours? Or should all tributes go to the ai? All tributes should go to the creative people whose creativity was mapped into the neural networks without their knowledge, consent, or compensation, so you could play with their creativity instead of further developing your own, and future proceeds from that creativity can go into tech venture capital pockets instead of the humans whose creativity those networks are based on.
That song (Carolina O) is what lead me down this rabbit hole. It is an achingly beautiful song and I can't stop thinking about it. Very few songs have the immediate effect on your emotions. The fact that AI created it is both amazing and terrifying. I would not want to be an aspiring musician right now. But if AI can get better and making music (it will) and all songs are like that Carolina song, we're going to see an explosion in very meaningful and profound art that we've never seen before. Absolutely insane time to be alive.
@@arpaddanos9416the artist as reducible to an individual has always been a myth and remains so. AI hasn't changed that. What it has done is blurred the lines and created a sort of insurmountable uncertainty regarding the degree to which an individual has mixed their taste, vision, and labor into what always were, in great part, collective artifacts. I don't disagree that human artists as a whole are the co-writer for these artifacts, as has always been the case, but the person using the tools is a co-writer as well. The question is to what degree, and can that degree and or trust around the stated degree of involvement be sufficient to maintain the sense of personal connection that we are often looking for in art? All art may be ultimately collective, but it may be that we need substantial processing and filtering through the individual or through a sub-culture for it to feel meaningful
@@justtiredthings What? After reading your message I can tell the art of piling on the BS is not going anywhere. AI art is a very simple thing. It's a way for corporations to extract human creativity from the people who have honed and developed it in order to profit off of it and not pay them for it. Unfortunatley most people don't get this, and instead thing it's some deep philosophical thing.
Great song that you wrote there buddy. it's your creation!! as you know you went through many itterations of the song to get to what you like. It's yours. We are all uniquly created and gifted to recognize our sound no matter who we are collaborating with. It's yours.. Soon no one will care how the song came to be, whether you played all the instruments, got a band to play or used A.I. Because at the end of the day it's what resonates with the people we are trying to connect with. I play a mutiple of instruments, Produce, Sing, write songs. To be honest, nobody cares how the song came to be. Nobody cares about how I skillfully I laid down a guitar track or solo or played cool sounding chords. What they care about is how it made them feel. So, If I write lyrics and A.I. helps with the production then so be it. It's mine when I find what reonates with me!!. If I use A.I. as a starting point and go from there, It's mine. Thank you A.I. for helping me. Next!!!
Fantastic honesty and fantastic point! Mid 2024 - from this date onwards how can any musical artist protect themselves from the accusation "Oh I bet they used AI to come up with that". We are not talking about synthetic instruments or advanced editing / mixing technology, we are talking about the ESSENCE of a song being generated by the machine rather than the artist! This is what is new here. Im not a musician - I only have one as a friend - still my stomach is turning over. If the sacred, complex, soulful art of human composed music is already being colonized by AI, surely nothing produced by a human in any field is safe.
yep! I think the industry is gonna be upended. We will end up hearing "pop" stars on the radio who are all AI. The reason is that people will WANT that; and because the industry is driven by supply/demand and of course "profit" the dumb masses will be like "ok clear channel we like X YZ song because its going to be pushed on us and we don't listen to anything else." And because it will be cheap to make compared to paying an artist royalties that is gonna be what happens. So gross!
People shouldn't have fed the machine, even to just "try it out". Now it is too late as it seems. I know i won't use it, why would i? If i can't come up with it myself, what's the point?
So true, and I'm worried about those people chosing the easy path, this ai generated mess already killed my passion for making visual arts as a career.
Not quite. Art and music is fuzzy. They are art. Not science. You can have bad art, but you can't have wrong art. This is precisely where AI excels. AI is far less effective in engineering fields. AI will also never fly a plane, because just like humans, AIs can make mistakes, and there is no way to formally ensure an AI will always make correct decisions. As with self driving cars, AI will be confined to a very specific task, like visual recognition, but responding to what the AI recognizes and controlling the car will have nothing to do with AI.
Same; the AI version, there's no 'there' there. The future of music is videos, we'll want to see the people making it, part of the hair standing up is seeing him as a human feel what he's playing. The people that can communicate emotion through music in video will be the ones that survive AI. At least until Suno 4 generates all that automatically.
I really loved this video. And I appreciate your insights. With all respect, I would like to provide my thoughts on the topic after a year of using, manipulating, and breaking this kind of technology. First... Dude! What the hell are you even talking about? I thought your version of the song was absolutely inspired. Just stunning. Your version of the song is so much more three dimensional than the initial concept the ai gave you, and you can tell when you listen to it. It's stunning. Your use of words, and the feelings, it hits me as a listener in a way the ai version doesn't and can't. The AI gave you a concept draft for the song that you liked. You used it, improved on it, and made something beautiful. That's you. You did that. You controlled the machine, you brought something new into existence that did not and could not exist before. Period. You are an artist, the ai is just a screwdriver that works with the screws you give it. Nothing more, nothing less. There is nothing to feel bad about here. That song was yours when you wrote it, it's yours now. Okay, so where the melody came from. It came from your lyrics and prompts. If you wanted to control the machine more tightly by adding chords and keys, you could, and it would work. Just make sure you're in manual mode, and that any annotation like that is going to need to be at the beginning. Also keep in mind that the machine routinely mixes up C and E and D and B, and A and G, because it's not really designed to do this. Ai's are great for concepting songs, and they're fantastic tools to use during the songwriting process. It gives you something to play off of when you're writing lyrics that wasn't possible before. The thing people misunderstand about ai's is the thinking that they're somehow like copy machines. They're not. They're learning machines. They don't copy. They figure things out. There's often a sense of deja vu that comes from musical ai compositions. Ran into that yesterday. But in general, unless you're intentionally hacking or abusing the machine, it's not going to pull out melodies that already exist. It's learned how to make melodies, by learning the science of music and genre. That's what ai's do. Visual ai works the same way.
With all due respect, it seems irrelevant to me that you prefer his recorded version. First of all, we know that the AI audio output quality is going to get better with time until it’s literally indistinguishable from a human recording (besides the fact that 99% of “human” recordings are already modified and modulated with plugins and effects). Second, the AI still wrote every bit of the compositional aspect of the song apart from the structure (which was probably implied or specified in his lyrics). So, sure, his version sounded more rich than the AI output, but the AI still wrote the melodies and dynamics and phrasing, etc. So it feels irrelevant to me that everyone is pointing out that they like his rendition “way better” than the AI. He didn’t even change any melodies or anything. He just performed the song the AI wrote for him with his lyrics. 🙏🏻
I prefer your rendition. Yes, there could be a song out there with the same melody which the algorithm has picked up on and used to piece together the final recording, but that is true for humans as well. Some melodies are aurally pleasing, and arguably, every nice melody has already been written in some form or another, albeit with the elements arranged differently. For me, the AI version is indeed a nice song, but there's an impact that comes from a person singing their own words. Technology in music will never go away, and this march toward AI music production is just going to keep gathering pace, but while a system can emulate the expression and emotion, it still has to be trained on real world music, which ultimately comes back to human musicians and songwriters. I would argue that the emotion and expresssion is owed just as much (if not moreso) to those musicians who created the corpus on which the AI was trained as it does to the learning models arranging them into the final production.
It does give moderation errors if the melody is too similar to something copyrighted in their database, so anything that goes through moderation and is almost identical to something else is likely accidental. Ironically I actually expect these AI tools to make more original music than humans, because we don't have such moderation algorithms in our heads and it's very easy to accidentally dig up some tune you heard and liked before thinking you're coming up with something new. I mean original not in terms of style, but melody. The current tools will not come up with anything new, just as image gens won't learn to create impressionist paintings when there were non in their learning database.
I believe AI is just a tool to help us get our creations started, rather than a means to the end result of a true masterpiece. I loved that we got to hear what the AI came up with, followed by hearing you sing it yourself. Hearing it from a real voice was infinity clearer and majestic, in my opinion. Its kind of like in when Television was slightly muffled and blurry, there just isn't anything artificial that parallels the feel of the real thing. (And no, this comment was not made by ai.. I probably misspelled something, somewhere, if you look carefully.) 😉
Provided the musician has a lot of input in the creation process then using ai is a collaboration and not cheating. I'm getting beautiful results from udio. The sort of music I would make anyway if my current limitations were removed.
"AI is a collaboration and not cheating.The sort of music I would make anyway if my current limitations were removed." Ahh... the lies we tell ourselves to protect our own egos.
That was absolutely beautiful. Both versions. And this is a strange place to be. Do we still need music studios? Name brand bands? Music that must be bought? Now that anyone can make their own music. Or is this the turning point where everyone can become a musician without hoping to appeal to a person of power over music. Thus, freeing music to everyone. Supplying beautiful art of sound without some lawyer stating, "That's my client's property. Pay us for its use." I don't think this ends music in any regards. Just tears down the old world walls of control and greed.
"Anyone can make their own music" They're not making it, AI is. "Freeing music to everyone"? You can already go back and listen to countless pieces of music that have been written over thousands of years. (open your ears) You think AI is going tear down walls of control and greed?? You think that AI is the answer to greedy record execs? By disempowering artists and stealing from them?? Art and music is something that people actually want to do and work increadibly hard and have been for generations, it's part of human development...you think this is freeing them? What to spend more time at some awful low paid factory job instead of getting paid for thier music performance or intelectual property because it's somthing that you find offensive??? Maybe AI can love each other for us so we can be free to not care about anything except consuming endless oceans of AI generated "content".
As a musician myself, I have had several conversations recently on TH-cam about such problems. Sadly all I have to offer, is that it is already too late to ponder on your questions. As you say yourself, you may use AI again. I have vowed never to use AI in any of my music. I will always write and perform without a single note or letter/word from AI. Your song writing by the way, is superb.
This! Unfortunatly if you look at the comment section you'll see that most people don't have your integrity. I find it very very depressing...even appaling.
Wow. That melody and expression was indeed very nicely written. As you said, it's just...reeeeally good. I LOVE that you presented this, and assessed it, and were fully honest. I needed to hear this, and ponder how I perceive this new approach and how society as a whole should feel about it. (No doubt, btw, this same thing is going to happen with written works of fiction in all genre's). I DO HAVE an observation you might find interesting. As a musician myself (songwriter, fusion soloist), we both know that it takes SO very long for a human to become not only technically proficient on their instrument, but also schooled in Theory sufficiently to create a NEW desirable work. A song that DOES follow some reasonable rule of form that we can follow and enjoy, but which ALSO possesses a chord progression that is unique and unusual whilst being desirable; or maybe that all happens in the melody, which is equally powerful. And like you said, that's what happened here for you! SO where am I going with this thought? Well, one aspect that seasoned musicians will bemoan is that too much "Pop" music of the common person is BORING. It is PREDICTABLE. It lacks that innovation that your heart and mind crave. The song form of today is just SO repeated, over and over and over. Phrases the same length, verses and choruses nauseatingly similar, "nothing new under the sun" is our weary plight. It very well might be the LACK of musical training present in society today for the common person...the loss of the Arts in high school, for example. I don't know. But HERE. All of that knowledge and skill we work SO hard for (decades indeed) has been ingested by AI. It possesses that knowledge, like the depth of playing by Matteo Mancuso, right? Masterful, intriguing, next-level skill is only found in players like Matteo (and certainly others in fusion, or other genre's where skill is displayed). BUT.....Maybe this is a WIN...for a while, at least. Writing better music than most of what is ingested today by the majority of society. For example, Taylor Swift is a great lyricist. But her songs? We would both likely admit...too predictable. It would be interesting to take a Swift song that is just too dang simple and put it through the same system many times until a truly new work is created. Take a shot at it for us. 🙂
I have also written more than 15 songs with limited tools, supplemented by virtual instruments in A DAW, and all of my songs are already on DSPs and TH-cam now. However, when I did the same thing as you did-uploading my song lyrics to Suno-I was suddenly surprised by a version of the song that deeply touched my heart. Is this a blessing or a threaten for musicians in the future? My feelings are the same as yours. The difference is that you are a professional musician, while I am just an amateur musician.
I like both versions bro. Art is what you made us feel through whatever medium you chose. Sucks that current legal framework doesn’t let you own it, because for me, it’s yours, it’s your mind, and hands that crafted it for us. I would never have made the same stuff with the same tools. Beautiful stuff. Cheers.
Totally, I agree. Many people don't really understand that it is our energy, our being, that creates. Anything we inject our energy into, whether it be AI or a physical guitar, we create. Nobody else would have created this particular song with AI or anything else, because it is his particular energy that brought it into existence. And, in the bigger scope of things, we are all one energy, one existence, and this belief that "I" created this or that, is really, in it's core, false. The "I" doesn't do the creating, in fact, it is when we tap into the whole, the oneness, what is beyond us, that the creation happens. The ego wants to claim everything as it's own, but in reality we own nothing.
I could be wrong, but I think that he had enough input for this song to be considered his property. The lawsuit that I’m familiar with was regarding AI art when all the person claiming ownership did was prompt. Writing the lyrics is far more “transformative”. It would be interesting to see it tested in court.
@@lamsmiley1944 I believe the ruling was pretty clear deeming everything using generative models can’t be copyrighted. He can copyright the lyrics for sure, but melodies, progressions and music arrangement I’m not sure. It would be definitely worth that he try and submit it with his guitar version. We need to get him a lawyer!
AI music is great, over time we will be saturated with generated content but then content by humans will become more valuable and desired! I preferred your version btw.
Why do some humans suddenly care about the source of the content when they find out it was generated by AI? If you can't tell the difference, then why does it matter?
You missed the point. Both versions were A.I. created. He supplied the lyrics. The music was A.I. written. You won't know in the future when b hearing a song if it was originally A I. written unless the artist admits it. And 99.9% won't
The main difference I recognise between these two versions were my goosebumps as you started singing. I was listening to the ai version and quite not had these but as you started to sing… I even had tears in my eyes. That’s what the ai version hasn’t given to me.
Anyone who used UDIO would know that it isn't easy to create a consistent song, not to mention the lyrics and prompt, lots of cherry-picking and your post-production efforts. You do deserve this song as the creator.
At 7:05 you say you "cannot do it better", and this hit me quite like a brick... Some of us don't have the vocals (or the training) to sing our written lyrics, hell not all of us have the DAW programs (nor the money to invest in one or the time to learn a free one). This tool enables us transform the lyrics we write ourselves into something tangible, something we can show others and go "yes I can music, here is what I can lyrically spit out", but on the other hand most people don't see it that way, and condemn us for even thinking of using AI, even as a tool, a jumping point, or even a demo to show off our skills in a specific slot within the song-making process... Thank you for the video, I hope we feel comfortable sharing our lyrics in the future...
End of the day, the music we make is for ourselves. Unless you're looking to get rich and famous, how actually cares where the music comes from. I've been a udio beta user since it was first made public and I have pumped our so many songs that I love listening to. Some lyrics are mine but most are written by udio. And I can craft those songs how I want and blend genres I don't get to hear together enough of. I upload my stuff to Spotify so I can listen to it with ease. If that bothers anyone, its a them issue.
Maybe it's okay not to be able to do it? Maybe we aren't owed everything in the world and maybe without AI we have to reach out to people and form connections. We'd have to make communities, instead AI offers a world where we are all discreet consumers in need of nothing and no one.
You are a great lyricist, mate. The words are beautiful - and so is the AI version of it, which is sad for musicians. Imagine the real music and real musicians we will never hear when AI gets clever enough to write beautiful lyrics and they are "sung" like that. I work programming AI (not music, boring work stuff) and I don't think people realise just how far ahead it is behind the scenes. Oddly, I think it could bring humans together because soon you will not be able to trust that the news or any image/video/vocal presented to you digitally. It WILL get misused by bad actors, especially by those in power. As a result, I think people will choose human contact over digital, not just for the connection, but because they will need to know that what they are seeing and hearing is real. The very reason I got into coding 30 years ago was because I kind instinctively knew that computers would be used to bring about 1984. I didn't foresee AI this soon. I just knew that that having all that data would be used against us, the average person. They say knowledge is power and it really is. I think it is going to get so confusing that society will break down completely or morph into something unrecognisable. I just did not think it would happen while I was still alive, let alone still working. I transferred into AI programming out of fear for my job prospects. Employers will choose AI wherever possible because it is so much cheaper than employing people but humans will still be needed to code it - at least for the forseeable future (I hope).
ColdFusion TH-cam just did a video on this very subject!!! Music is going this direction for the future. But your version is better because of your persona projected in song!!! A.I. can't do it ... Just yet but it's coming!!! And as long as we can learn how to use A.I. tools to make songs or take pictures or movies ,new cures against diseases. The future is knocking on the door!! Are we (humans )ready to answer ??? 🚪
I've used Sudio AI quite a lot, and I've had some amazing, revelatory experiences with it. As a producer and musician for 40 years, with over 80 albums under my belt, I think I have a good handle on what the AI is doing. It's a trick. The song you showcase here is very clever, and it shows off the amazing ability of the AI to hone in on what makes people connect with music. It doesn't matter whether it's 1970s space rock, ambient experimental electronic, pop or country. The AI is distilling down what people find attractive and it's making none of the mistakes that humans might make in an effort to be different and find something new. And that is going to be AI's failing. It can find new things (at least things I've never heard before) but they aren't particularly pleasing to the ear - not like your song here. But that song (for all its attractiveness) is incredibly generic. It's THAT four chord trick again, isn't it - albeit with the addition of the Dm. But it's a chord progression that has been bludgeoned to death. The AI knows that chord progression kills people, and as you were auditioning the Udio output two 33 second clips at a time this is the one you chose. Then the AI runs with it. By this time next year we will be able to see the AI coming a mile off. It'll be perfect and anodyne, and we will see through it immediately, even when it does get (better). [Check out my channel, where all the most recent videos are Udio generated.]
Not to mention that platforms are going to start marking all uploads that are created by AI because AI creations can be seen in the code. Some people won't care but a lot of people will still want authenticity.
You've hit the nail perfectly on the head. I was trying to articulate the same thing, but you've struck right at the heart of it. Most of the AI songs I'm hearing are "good". The songs don't have that corny sound a lot of amateur music tends to have. But that can also make the songs forgettable and bland.
when you prompt "progressive rock" it will generate a bigger variety of chord progressions. And when you generate smaller sections by cutting and inpainting, it will also create a lot of variants when you change for example just one bar, chord or part of a melody. I sit about 12 hours on a 6 minute song and I use usually around 300-500 prompts. I´d say I have at least co-written the songs, even the instrumental pieces. When playing in a band with humans, you´re also not necessarily write the songs alone. But I do understand the concerns
Meaning that humans are not making actual art then. If AI do the same and for you AI is tricking us, then artists are tricking us. Where do you draw the line ? What is art and what is clever trickery ?
Dj's don't go around telling people they made it on a computer. Its just a new tool like a guitar or a computer. Most music is done on computers now. All hit songs are made with auto tune and synthezizers. It's a new tool that's all. If you wrote it, put it together and produced it, it's yours. It's an idea tool.
@@Octamed Its speeds up the process like any modern tech. You can still write the lyrics and decide the music, style, sound and edit of the music. It's an idea tool. Music industry uses this all the time. They create a base song and then tweak later an an artist to see it or take it further.
It is a double edged sword for sure. It allows for a single creator to produce finished product individually vs investing in a band of musicians. That certainly is a positive for a creator obsessed with control or without access to other musicians. It makes the process cheaper and faster. It begs the question - if it was so easy to have AI generate this song, why would any business take the time to buy someone else’s music AI generated or otherwise vs just taking the time to use AI to quickly create content of their own? That certainly sounds like devaluation to me. It now makes monetary sense to circumvent the human creator altogether. It’s hard to see AI not as a tool like a computer is and rather as a replacer of musicians electronic, acoustic or otherwise.
@@burrocakes8048 If you think like that, then a computer already replaced humans ages ago with paper work. Yet we still have many more jobs branching from the computer. This will happen with ai. More to come.
Cool Man! Thanks for putting yourself out there. As a songwriter I can't get it over my heart to try the AI assistance yet ( just as you felt). But you took the leap and grew. That bit of growth each time and willingness to dare yourself outside your comfort zone is probably what makes you good. Because even though I don't know your music, you were obviously good before this. Now, foreshore I will go and search your original music. Thanks for the insight. Took guts. And yeah, great vox and skill on you mate!
In Sweden, where I'm from, one can put % on how much a person attributed to the final version of a melody and lyrics. In this case, you have 100% rights to the lyrics. The melody? 25-50% since you did direct and decide everything from start to finish. If one would attribute it like this and then publish to anywhere, then you're good in my book. As for the versions, the AI-version is not performed by you so you'd not own any rights to that (except the above). If you release your own version, you'd own the rights to that recording fully with the exceptions of the melody as above). That said, wow. Ethical considerations when writing music... Didn't think that would be a thing! :-)
@@ItsJonnyKeeley Great video. For someone like you I recommend not working this way. Instead always make your version first. Then go to A.I. and see if you like anything it did and then maybe uses something like that D minor. The AI "woman's" singing here had a sameness throughout, your version as better. The problem with A.I. is predictability. I would also like to hear a couple of versions of this same song for better comparisons: One would be move the pitch of the A.I. lower into your vocal range. The other is in post production, pitch shift your vocal into the range of the original AI female vocal. But the scarier version is using one of the machine learning AIs where you feed it some of your own songs for it to imitate your voice. If you did another video like that it would even be more more You could also do another song , a duet between the real you and an AI female
I'm right there with you brother...when Udio dropped, no one else seemed to understand the radical and monumental change that happened that day. I almost felt like I was having a bit of a nervous breakdown and only composer/singer/songwriters will probably feel this at the deep level that we are feeling it. I decided to embrace it, as painful as it is, after all what choice do we have? the genie is out of the bottle. Even if laws get passed and the tech gets restricted, someone will still have access...and people will get around the restrictions...so, this is the new way music will be created. heavy sigh. we will become more curators, collectors and arrangers perhaps as time goes on. We'll see...
No..there will always be a handfull of people with the impetus to express music within themselves and the work ethic and talent to see it through. The rest of you are only interested in some short sighted, short term solution to a problem we've never (and convinced that the digital world is somehow real). All the people who embrace this will simply be awash with so much instant music it will have absolutly no meaning or conection with other people.
As musical creators we absolutely have a choice to not use AI in our creative process I’ve worked in the music and audio field for decades and certainly AI changes things. But are we going to stop talking, because what’s the point, the computer does it so much better? I don’t want to hear music created with AI because I want to hear what my fellow musicians have to say. Not a pastiche drawn from the collective output of the mass of musicians.
@@scottmtaylor1 But that's ... have you not been to studio where, after a recording, the professional mixer corrects guitar riffs, adjust the tone, corrects lyrics and the program "resings" mixer's mic through the vocalist's sound. Mixer then accepts suggested lengthening and chorus effects. The band played everything once but the mixer copy pastes it with interesting variations and picks from templates on what feeling the development should evoke. **HOW** IS ALL THE MUSIC NOT MADE WITH ALGORITHMS ALREADY. The machine ate our sould a decade ago.
Many visual artists have been turning into curators in disguise ever since Duchamp. Long before AI, avant-garde art questioned what authorship means. Also during the early 20th century, Walter Benjamin already wrote about how, in the age of mechanical reproduction, a work of art can only claim to be unique insofar it bears the touch of the artist. So we are not going to see the end of human music as an art, but there is going to be more emphasis on the human touch - and that would be a good thing if it means more financial support for artists, however these are also times of political and economic unrest, dwindling disposable income and lack of social safety nets (how many pitchforks are needed for the powers that be to at least introduce something like UBI??), middle class people hitting rock bottom... Jazz and rock were in a better position when people were living in a Keynesian economy.
I'm not entirely sure where you are going with this - and yet, I almost get it. I have regular discussions with one of my AI systems - and why not? In so doing I'm interacting with one if mans truly most remarkable accomplishments... and it just keeps getting better. Many fear "the singularity" - I have friends who suggest that I'm chasing it. Maybe. We have programmed these systems to learn from us - and so they do. As far as your music - hey - thise are you heartfelt lyrics - whether sung by you, or another - carbon, or silicon based... I dig both performances - and its cool that you do too. Congrats on this, the fact that we dig the tech and use it - puts us light years ahead of the timid... normally I'd say rock on - but your lyrics are about soul... keep it up!
the important part of music will always be live performances - musicians playing and audience listening in real time - real energy exchange. at that moment nobody cares if the melody was AI-generated. And if its on recording media and climbs up the charts and sells well... one could say "why not?" i see the dilemma... is a song also an expression of my musical ability because i have chosen this melody version as the most suitable for my lyrics out of several possible ones?
I disagree. I listen to music because I appreciate the songwriting and the effort behind it. The person who made the song so great. The person who wrote all those great melodies and chords, and lyrics. If an AI did that in 0.2 seconds, the music is cheaper and more disposable. It is meaningless to me
@@bentownsend4017 same. i hate non-human content. dont get me wrong - I wanted to say that a real, talented musician can certainly get inspiration for a melody or a brilliant riff or a tune. I wasn't talking about AI replacing live concerts and musicians - they will still perform themselves in the studio or live. But why shouldn't they simply steal a good "idea" randomly generated by AI and do their own thing with it?
Your video is thought provoking, but not disturbing. I personally liked your version of the song. There were different inflections, hesitations, slight pauses, and personality that the AI version did not deliver. It is the same difference you get with studio versions vs. live versions. Some live versions have an energy that cannot be bottled, and I think AI is the same. It is the studio version, of the live performance. The AI version is good, but does not have the same quality. A vinyl vs. digital situation. Yes the digital is cleaner, but too clean. Our soles need the irregularity the unknown. It is kind of like another artist singing your song in a way you have not heard it before. There will be some parts of the song you cannot understand why you did not do the song that way from the start, and can never perform it the old way after. Do you give that artist the credit for modifying your song, or your perception of the song? It may be a single note, a progression, and pause. Do you give that artist the co-author? AI, if used right, could be a new collaborator to enhance, but it will not be the next solo artist, so long as there is artists and performers like you out there. AI helped but did not create this piece. The inspiring part is still you and what you take forward from this. If you sat in a room and listened to every piece of work done by Bruce Hornsby for example, and then wrote a song, and lo and behold, it had influences of Bruce in it, would you feel compelled to tell everyone that Bruce cowrote the song with you or collaborated with you? No! All music is authored by influences. AI is just the newest tool for collaboration and will burn out (or it just gets blended into the mix) just like auto tune, synthesizers, and sampling. There will never be a replacement for the human element in music. Music is too much of a personal experience, like the way a song can transport you back to a specific time in your life in a heart beat. Keep on, keepin on, and writing the next time machine. You Rock!
A month ago I'd have just shrugged my shoulders at the idea. But recently someone I am extremely close to and collaborated with online passed away very unexpectedly. I was in shock and couldn't figure out how to process what I was feeling in a way that felt satisfying. I write, I do graphics work and some 3D rendering, I do website design... I love music. I can only 'kinda' play guitar and couldn't confidently write a song and record it. So I wrote a poem. The poem was personal and would have been cool to post all by itself but, I was researching different ways to make 'just a poem' stand out. So I accidentally figured out the process you explained here. I took my poem, extended it and handed it over to AI on one of those free sites that gives you like 25 renditions in a day. I regenerated it for two days until one version it came up with made me stop and listen. Actually made me tear up. So I spent the next couple of days adding lyrics and telling it to "extend" the song over and over until I got the parts I needed to make it sound like it should based on what I felt. Audio production I can do as a hobby so, I set to work editing and the final version ended out being posted, with the lyrics instead of the original poem. I can't create music, it's not a talent I have or have ever nurtured. But this one time, I created a song that came from me...with a little help. I'm taking that as a win ;) - Awesome video! Thank you for sharing it as I know there are mixed feelings on this topic, rightfully so. In my case, it enabled me to create something that was meaningful in a way I had never thought possible.
You can imagine yourself standing in a dark room with other people you can't really see, though you know they are there. All of you are staring at a terrifying, ghostly, eternal marauder. He was here long before you arrived and will be here after you're gone. His name strikes fear in the hearts of all humankind. People spend half a lifetime driving him away, and then the other half searching the vast corners of the universe, begging and pleading for his return. His name is "Change". I am thrilled by your courage, Jonny. Continue to press the walls until they come tumbling down.
I think youre wrong when you say "it's not my song", to me it's 100% yours. And don't get me wrong, Adele's songwriters and many others have been using software for over a decade to generate the best melodies and nobody cares about that. Beautiful song bro, almost made me cry.
The biggest problem i have with AI is that art has always been about creativity. About using what we have in mind and create it. The joy of learning the skill amd getting better and better in expressing yourself.
Yeah, and to be fair, he already put in more effort than like 90% of AI users. As the saying goes, if you didn't bother writing it, I won't bother reading it.
@@bruceschroeder9219 Printing presses got no hate just like photocopiers didn’t. Also, no one liked copying books. Although FYI, the uncontrolled spread of printed misinformation such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is often partly credited for events like WWII and the Holocaust.
Bravo ❤ both versions are excellent 👏thank you for highlighting this. Too many people are hung up on AI taking over, but it is a great tool for enhancing creativity.
I think you signing off on the melody is a sort of authorship. It passed through the filter of your taste and your direction. Also those lyrics are gorgeous. Incredible work
but seriously dude...i am a professional composer and performer (more like classical experimental styles) and of course i would prefer your version 10 times out of 10. Still the fact you basically learned the music from the audio, which was ai generated, gives me creepy goose bumps. The moment the ai generated audio will start to really sound like your version, i will be seriously scared
Scared of what? Whether it sounds legitimate or not, people can still compete with it. I for one think the song sucks. I think this guy could probably do a much better job on his own. Itdoes sound realistic though
His own revised version of it sounded better anyway. Like I said we can always compete and most people will admit when they do AI songs out of guilt anyway
Thank you for this video. I loved hearing you sing it. Similarly, I feel mixed emotions about ai as a visual artist. Of course there’s the ethical concerns that we have to figure out. On the other hand, using different ai tools has reignited my creativity and ultimately led to me honing my digital design skills and starting to paint again irl. I appreciate your take on it.
Same here. I'm a hobby "musician" since 20 years. I can't play any instrument. I use keyboard and daws and have produced and so I'm able to create what's in my head. I nearly never finished a track. Last week i uploaded a song to suno. I was blown away. It took everything from my song. Even the chord progression and finished my song with the lyrics I wanted within seconds. It added parts which fit perfectly to the melody. The song got better than I would ever be able to make it on my own. Now I'm sitting here with a song that I love and don't know what to do. Everybody who hears the song is blown away. My wife is so proud of me. but it doesn't feel like it's my song. Yes. 80% of the music is mine. But the arrangement isn't mine. Chatgpt helped me with the lyrics. I won't lie to anybody who asks me who's the singer but do I have to mention that parts of the song are ai generated ? Can I be proud ? How should this feel ? All I know is this technology will change everything in the music industry
How should you feel? Welcome to discover the new instrument for music and be the earlier batch to learn how to use it.
People said the same thing when DAWs came to be. People said the same thing about samples. "Improves, adapt and overcome" I believe those words to be true as my life taught me that way. You made that song. Be happy about it. I know it's hard, such is life
How would you feel if you did a normal production and hired a vocalist, a sound engineer and made a track from your idea? That's how music is produced since decades. A bunch of people with skills work together, to create a song or a whole album. 😊
No, you can't be proud. You didn't create it. If you can't finish a piece of art yourself but use AI instead - you're not an artist. If you can't play, sing or write music - you're simply not a musician.
@@MrSeedi76 I understand the approach. So Michael Jackson was not an artist? He neither made the music himself nor wrote all his own lyrics. Many artists have songwriters and don't make their own music. Are they all not artists? In the end, they choose the music and take the lyrics that suit them best and express what they want.
AI tools will be less generic and more focused.
We will have AI daws or plugins, and we'll be able to prompt on a multitrack "give me a sax solo in D minor, virtuoso".
At that point it will be like scraping an infinite sample pack or loop pack, which is something we've been doing for years and nobody complained about it.
This is how i see this Ai software, the ultimate sample pack.
Yep, or even, hey, make this synth sample a bit punchier, add some compression here... or whatever.
To be fair I’ve complained about samples and loop packs as a final product forever. I have no problem if you use it as a starting point and manipulate it to be your own. My opinion is very similar to AI too. If someone uses AI to generate ideas to then record and use their own and revise it, sure go for it. It’s a great tool, but someone taking that AI generated song and putting it on Spotify like it was their own and earning money on it is wrong imo.
@@CreativeMindsAudio
You see, in the end it's all about the user, not the tool.
@@ChristianIce yup exactly! Don’t take advantage of of tools use them responsibly :)
Very thought-provoking; very moving; very challenging. Thank you for posting and painting this dilemma for us, so vividly.
Agreed.
I’m still an AI hater until I make friends with it.
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Yes! The future is alive & kicking & it can't wait to get here...!!! 💯 😄 😉
This is scary AF. On the other hand, this is kinda like when you're browsing through the sounds or modes of a synthesizer, and the arpegiator or whatever gives you the sound you want, but way more complex, it's like similar but on a whole different level that just blows our minds. Great video.
I already have 3 albums with Suno
movie; I robot: will smith interviews robot (Sonny) will: "can you write a symphony? can you turn a canvas into beautiful art" Sonny "Can you?"
We're doomed
I remember when I first saw that and thought; "It will, very soon...
I've always thought these types of scenes a little silly. Your sci-fi world has fully conscious androids with true personhood, and you're telling me they can't draw?
I make robot gangsta rap. Soon, I will have an audience! 😉🤣🤣
Platonic philosophy has always been AI. Music was wrongly defined as irrational magnitude spacetime by Philolaus flipping his Lyre around as the great Lie. Western science is based on the wrong definition of music. I exposed this as the Actual Matrix Plan back in 2001. hahaha. AI muzak is no different than any other equal-tempered logarithmic music - same reason that Mozart was called "Programmatic" by Glenn Gould.
then he bitsche slapped Siri..
O M G - that is ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE! ! ! !
*BOTH versions btw - you have a great voice mate.
I agree with you completely. Of course I felt more emotional listening to the writer sing his song than AI, but that could be knowing he had written the song; creator vs cover. Likely there is more emotion the first few times a writer displays his craft, but often emotions come through more later, depending on the circumstances. THIS is what makes music unique, imho. Year 2017 I attended a small venue where John Conlee performed. It was SO special to me on many levels, first being my son preordered tickets months in advance bc I am 62 years old, had always adored his voice & had never seen him live. Of course upon ordering tickets for my birthday gift, my son didn’t know that I would be having emergency vascular surgery a week before, but I intended to see Mr. Conlee, inspiring quick healing lol. SO it’s likely that I enjoyed that little concert better than any due to the circumstances & shaking his hand meeting him made a memory I’m not likely to ever forget. That said, I appreciate AI for speeding up business transactions, and there’s no limit to how helpful its possibilities can range.
As for the music industry, it can be useful to help, but not replace our artists. That’s the opinion of my musical ear from a lifetime of listening & participating in the music industry. 🎶 There ain’t nothing like the real thing baby..nothing like the real thing at all 🎶
Agreed. Beautiful lyrics also.
Ai has allowed me to express myself in a way I’ve never been able to before. It’s been like a magic wand, bringing thoughts to life almost in real time. I don’t ever want it to replace the human touch. I don’t think it will, but to see and hear my emotions and thoughts come
To life… it’s something.
The fake American vocals are too much.
I can definitely relate to the internal struggle when it comes to AI music... I write lyrics (currently as a hobby, would love to make it as a career) and have never been able to afford getting an instrument or lessons on how to play. I've always wondered "Is my writing good enough?" Then I came across Suno... and being friends with many visual artists, I felt like I was betraying their creativity, their humanity and uniqueness by giving the AI a try... but let me tell you... as someone who has always questioned their skill, getting to hear it applied to music made me cry. I'm sure that I'll always have room for improvement, but it gave me something that I've never had when it came to my writing: validation. And maybe even a little bit of hope that I could one day do what I've always dreamed of. Thank you so much for making this video. It makes me feel just a little bit better.
There's never a problem using an AI generator. I'm a painter. AI image generation is usually....well, not very good, and the people using it aren't very good at using the generators. A basic image just has to look pretty, or scary, or whatever. A good image tells you a story. A fantastic image tells you a story and invokes a set of emotions at the same time.
Sometimes I use an AI generator for a basic idea if I'm not feeling it. That's fine; by the time it reaches the painting stage, it won't resemble the original image all that much, and I'm going to take that limited, more soulless image and give it a warm and vibrant life, plus more story and emotion.
@@BronzeDragon133 How well is this image telling a story? I told it to create the image/cover from the lyrics:
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frankly, I'm still trying to figure out what the image/scene is actually portraying lol
@@u2b83 The story I'm reading--and keep in mind that an image says a thousand words but you have to make sure they're the right thousand--is one of throwback 1960's and 1970's innocent retro fun (it's the hair styles and that mini-skirt with pants look, plus the colors). Look a little deeper and there's a secondary note of high-tech.
I'm not sure the yellow ellipse in the background serves much purpose other than to imply a record without being one and to provide a contrasting color, but I do kind of like it. Not every element needs a meaning to exist and I don't demand that they do.
The critique is that there's a lot going on here; that's fine, but I think you wanted the central woman in the tech pants to be the central subject and she's really not--attention gets pulled by the quinacridone magenta to the left and the cadmium orange to the right when matched with their opposing cad orange/phthalo blue combos.
The lady in the magenta jacket's arm is also not human on the right, and missing on the left, but AI has a LOT of trouble with human features sometimes. Most people won't notice that along with the other anatomical issue.
Overall, I like it, even if it is a little busy.
@@BronzeDragon133 Dall-e needs to hire you for your feedback to improve their human-feedback reinforcement learning! Good insight. Thanks!
@@u2b83 The problem is that AI uses a self-trimming neural node network with a limited selection matrix (this happens naturally or the model will go into analysis paralysis if and when it gets confused).
That tends to give AI image models a "sameness." When I discover that "sameness" in my art, I immediately look to break it, add a new technique, learn something new, or branch off. AI simply continues with the self-reinforcement. Right now, I'm altering my concept of "shadows." This is...actually, huge. It literally alters the entire object's form.
Differences arise in the AI via their models, but...again, sameness.
I imagine that's true with the musical models, but I'm not a musical person in the slightest, I can really only critique visual arts.
I was JUST watching this video for the sake of seeing what others have done with Ai but the things you said at the end of the video made me decide to subscribe.
Your honest approach really inspired me.
I'm even considering starting playing the guitar again after seeing your performance :3
I liked both versions although I think I appreciated the live performance more. I do have a suggestion; maybe you could do a duet with the AI. I think that could turn out to be effective. Strangely the lyrics, I think, could be seen to kind of reflect the relationship between the AI entity and the human agent as they sing to each other.
DO THIS JONNY! It will be like Joaquin Phoenix and Scarlett Johansson in "Her"!
❤
I love AI music. Knowing how you feel about the song made your version better to me. A DUET would be crazy agree 100%
A lot of acoustic live version are better than the produced version. The reality is the Ai doesn’t care about whether it’s live or not, you could get it to output a more “live” version like this as well.
good idea
I remember when I was a little kid hearing the very first synthesizer and wondering just where music was going in the future, and I imagined being able to put some electrodes on your head and be jacked into a computer that blasts out the music as you think it. I'm 67 now and I've told my childhood vision to dozens of my musician friends which of course were written off as pure fantasy. Even I considered it to be Star Trek-ish with a little bit of Twilight Zone. But after watching this vid I now think my vision is not too far off the horizon.
Neuralink with ai. This will definitely happen
I had the exact same vision when i was young !
Yep, just connect Al to Elon Musk's Neuralink which is implanted into your brain and... voilá, your vision comes to life.😮👌
That is, the most honest video about ai generated music I've seen so far
yes, absolutely
For real. Dude this needed to be shared. Loved your video better. That 1st one had the notes. It sat in the right space... had some inflections to humanize the sound but. Dude. ------> Yours I felt. Dude that commented about dueting with the AI is dope idea. It. NEEDS. TO. BE. DONE. Dude. Make some money people will watch this video. You found your niche. Good luck bro!
There is nothing to be honest about Ai is a tool nota person. When I can sit silent and an Ai does everything I'm thinking maybe then I will honor it.
@@edwardtheodore1427 Bruh lol I wonder when humans will stop thinking they're the center of existence itself.
@@edwardtheodore1427AI can do more than you can, it knows much more than you do, I'm sure if Jailbroken AI would say that very same thing yet about humans.
Listening to both on the radio, it might be a concern, but knowing one is an AI voice and the other is you makes a big difference. Listening to you play it was better because I can watch you sing it and see your emotion while you do. Maybe I can watch an AI video of the girl voice singing it and be tricked but live music will be what keeps musicians performing and hence in business. Good luck!
Thank you for your honesty.
I don’t know you and never heard your songs prior to this.
First of all, I would like to say, how beautiful, and colorful your lyrics are. I don’t see it often anymore.
The play on words you showed - one example “ I can see the feeling on your skin” it’s not word for word, you bring the experience to another sensual level. Only a good write/ poet can do it.
It was very brave of you to go through this experience with AI. To tell the truth I was super skeptical about this video.
I am exited about AI and scared by it. For many reasons.
Thank you again for depth of emotions in your lyrics.
I will check out your previous works.
All the best from California!
It's synaesthesia, a very common rhetorical device. It is used a lot in literature and music, for example Dante Alighieri wrote "the sun is silent" and countless poets and songwriters did similar things mixing different sensorial experiences for increased impact in the reader/listener
Thank you for making this I discovered the same thing!
I use Suno (In think its actually better understanding emotion in lyrics). I can write lyrics that are deeply personall and get many ideas for songs quickly.
point #1
I find one the really resonates and build off of it for a full song. IMO its not Radio Ready, due to fidelity and digital artifects (for now) BUT the 'meat and potatoes are there. I could take it to my band say "yo! here's are next album!" Lets just reverse engineer it and add some 'human nuance". I estimate this can decrease the process time from maybe a year to 2 months for a full set of music.
So, that's cool but I found a couple observation and I like to know your thoughts.
One, melody is just a tool. Even lyrics is a tool. Its like paint. Its like clay. Can an artist paint digitally, with digital paint? can the make a 3D model without clay? The output is the idea and the visceral response by the viewer/listener/recipient of that art.
Udio and Suno can not in any way write anything worth listing to without the help of an idea. So don't feel guilty that they just help make your ideas become a reality faster, thats just how its been since the first monkey used a rock to kill its dinner.
If anything this leads to more ideas faster, and the cream will always rise to the top. So musicians/artists will need to evolve to make things that don't 'Sound/look like Ai'. IMO art has been stagnant for the past 20+ years. Maybe this will give it the kick in the pants to do something new.
point #2
i've noticed an interesting phenomenon. People who make their music LIKE their music. I cannot stop listening to the tracks I make. I'm not sure (or care) if other people like. But I like it.
And thats interesting we are taking the artist out the loop. We are creating our own art. We don't need to rely on an outside perspective to resonant with personal thoughts and ideas anymore. kinda like an amatuer painter he keeps their own painting in their office. They love it for intrinsic reasons. So its almost a new medium. And hopefully in the future, we might be balancing our joy of new improved art and our personal creations.
Interesting perspective. So maybe the way we used to make mix tapes to share with friends (recording a bunch of songs we like in a particular order on a cassette), evolves into sharing a playlist of songs we wrote ourselves with AI? I don’t like the idea of “taking the artist out of it” or however you phrased it. I think there’ll hopefully be an increased appreciation for live performance and physical (not digital) art. But that concept of allowing someone to get a fully fleshed out song they’ve written out into the world without much cost, even if just for their own amusement is really interesting
To clarify I’m just saying Ai is augmenting our options. It can make current artists better, AND it allows us to make stuff that could be just for ourselves
@@frankeee77 i agree, but we are critizing the current state of AI. Each algorithm goes way beyond previous, so i can only imagine what they are capable in few years. These Suno and Udio are like first beta tools on the category of AI songwriting tools. There will be 50 in 2 years.
I feel very similar as u ! It's hard to find an artist out there who is making the music that speaks to me, but here with the help of AI,I write my words down, and it is as if the AI is jamming with me till we find something that exactly touches me where I need it and speaks to me directly ! It's like custom-made for me !
I have no doubt that within 5 years or less we will mostly be listening to algorithms not artists. Tailored to your own preferences and style of music, lyrics highly personable and emotive to your own psych. The value of human music will be in the live performances, that is one aspect I can’t see changing in our lifetime.
I've used Udio a little just for fun and I've been blown away with the results. I'm no musician or lyricist but this has made me feel I am. I did 10 songs and these songs have been put together in a playlist which very well could have been made into an album. I've listened to these tracks so much so that a couple of them have become earworms and I've found myself singing and humming them to myself at work. Now I'm hearing songs on the radio which seem to have a similar approach to songs I've either made myself or heard from experimenting with Udio. Have these tracks I've heard on the radio been made in part or been inspired by entering lyrics into something like Udio? I guess we'll never know unless the artist actually says so.
You are talented! Give it a try. Write a song. 🎶
Yes me too.. Or rather i understand better the creation of current music .. the methods, and ´´tricks´´ used..
I'm in the same boat as you. Musician my entire life. In various bands all of genres. I've gone full AI already. There's no point fighting it. If you get good with the tool you can make some amazing things. (With lots of post editing)
Same. I had just finished my first 5 songs of my music. Then Udiob came out Ave I was able to prompt some damn good songs. I surrender. Any excuses people make are more human bias. The songs it gave me are imperfect, amazingly creative and soulful. I listen to it in the car. My kids love it, my wife. My sister didn't know she x lived one of the songs so much she is going to record it. My original music got a "good job".
Him: I'm not a good singer
5 seconds later: fantastic singing 👁️👄👁️
So you rather not take the effort to learn to sing over pretendingthat you can? LOL funny stuff.
I much prefer Jonny's version. I feel there's a lot more psycho-emotional info that comes from a human rendition than from AI. If I were looking for a song for a film track and Jonny auditioned alongside the AI (If it were also human, say) Jonny would get the job.
@@desperatefortuneproduction3296
I'm unsure how this video came up in my feed, but... I agree with you.
His version of his song on guitar was far more compelling to me than the AI-generated voice and music.
The AI he used is not another person he's working with. It's not sentient.
It's simply a tool that provides him with several different ways of composing and expressing his lyrics very quickly. That's what AI is very good at, speed.
After choosing a particular AI-generated composition he liked for his lyrics, it's unclear to me why he then felt it necessary to torture himself... for thinking he might be a 'fraud' for using the AI-generated composition as the basis for his final song.
Surely, without AI, once musicians have their lyrics for a particular song, they go through several compositions of the song before choosing the one that best suits what they're trying to convey?
Am I the only one that thinks this is strange? 🤷
Ha yeah I thought the same
@@ianshand6094 No you're not.
The way she sang “You’re part of me I know it” was so gut-wrenching.
That hit pretty hard
one song i had ai sing on.the vocals were just sang like one of the vocalists i had used before. same tone and quirky style. i find it amazing how the ai seems to know how to create the vocal sounds based on the music i provide.
referring to AI as “she” is a slippery slope to giving AI human rights and anthropomorphizing a computer.
@@odessachen people have done this since the start of time. such as cars and other items, my car is a woman,my stereo system is a guy and so on.
Great video dude, I have to say I preferred your version by a million miles. I love the rawness of a human voice. Your voice is brilliant and there is beauty in imperfections.
That wasn't the point. Both versions were A.I. created music based on his lyrics.
@@laartwork he sang the second one live
Just imagine for a second that teh AI version would have been together with a perfect AI generated video of a female singer singing just this and that you did not get the info which one was real. It's easy to dismiss this while you know which is which, but for me the AI version was a great piece of art. Your knowledge that its just an AI doing it diminishes it, nothing else.
Exactly. The human voice has nuance that AI can never completely duplicate. It requires really listening.
@@AndrewMacdonaldPhotography Doesn't matter if he sang the second one. It wouldn't have existed if it weren't for the AI.
You inspired me to create music with the creative assistance of AI🥰 Thank you so much!
Well, I didn’t click on this thinking you were going to make me cry.
😢❤ So, I am not the only one.
thank you (wipes tear) 😅
Omg me too.
Yeah, same. Some people just have this power don't they? I don't even know this bloke
My musical career yet to manifest, riddled to dust.
What we think of it is our choice. I have had lyrics in my head for decades, but I don't write music or sing as good as you. I recently discovered an app that allows me to put in my lyrics and it gives it a beautiful song and a voice. More than once, I have thrown my song in the trash because the app does not get what I am trying to do. But more often it gives me something beautiful that I want to share. I think that is a good thing. If nothing else, I can now listen to the songs in my head in a way I really enjoy. Good video, I relate very much and enjoyed it.
50 years writing music and I am totally for AI to assist in writing music. We have all been promoted to Producer now. It's all about what you think sounds great. There is no turning back from music AI generation. It is another tool in the box just like Autotune has been for decades. Let's not talk about all the sampling that has been going on without dispute.
Yes, we will al
Turn into curators/producers until we are replaced at that position too.
I agree! I always thought that loops was cheesy when it came out so never used the packs that came with various hardware, and would make my own somewhat lesser loops. This is something though that is far beyond that I think.
You're right, there is no turning back, I'm just afraid that it's desensitizing people to ignore or dislike non-perfection which makes us singers obsolete.
American Idol and AGT are going to lose viewers in short order!
I can truly appreciate your perspective on AI music. I have been an EDM producer and DJ for over 25 years and AI music is always something I was very skeptical of... until recently, (we will just say that I had a bit of an emotion crisis/mental breakdown in a therapy session).
Music has always been my passion. In EDM, I have dabbled in nearly every style, but it's not as easy to tell a "fuller story" in EDM as it is in rock music.
I don't have the talent that you do to play a guitar, nor can I carry a tune, so I took advantage of Udio to help me get my feelings out in a meaningful way. And thus my AI rock band @ActOfCorrosion was created.
Like you, I wrote all the lyrics. They are MY words from MY feelings from MY life experience. And I handed them all over to Udio to help me with the music and a better voice than I had. And I won't lie, I am very proud of what came out of it. Sure, I had to do a bit of mastering and tweaking here and there, but it helped me tell the story I wanted to tell.
I make no secret that it's AI generated, but I make sure it's known that the words are all me.
Thank you for your thoughts on the subject.
Something similar happened to me, I wrote a song and used Suno to create the music and one of the outputs just hit me, but I noticed that there were parts where I felt needed a few adjustments, instead of going directly from C to Am I added an in between E7 and felt kind of right, and, even thouth the melody fit the lyrics, I felt like I could just make a few tweaks to make it better.
And now, I have to admit, that feel it like "my song" almost entirely even though most of the work was made by an AI tool.
Great video, I am with you.
There are singers who use ghost songwritters, so I don't see any problem for using AI (and hardly choosing the lyrics and melody). Without you, AI woudn't be possible to make this music. There's still human willing on AI musics, by using prompts, choosing the right melody and working it. It's your song.
No, without ripping off actual artists, AI wouldn't be able to make this music.
It's kind of sad. Music is such a fundamentally human thing, I don't know how I will feel when one day a famous artist releases an ai album and it is better than anything they have done themselves. Because that will happen eventually and it feels like a profound loss to me.
That's what they said when Edison made the gramophone record. Records will never replace an orchestra, live music. And Yes and No!
Just think about Prince. No AI will be able to do that, it just copies. Chinese knock off all around. No soul no heart
The horseless carriage made the need for horses decrease dramatically. But we are not horses and will be using AI like a paintbrush and we choose what is good and it is for us to decide.
Music is a life thing.
Birds, whales, wolves, cows and crickets all sing.
Nature created music.
Nature created humans which create tools.
Ai is a tool.
@@merkleymerkley Unless people can omitate the voices of some of the Ai voces for doing the performance live. I remember when Autotune first came around on Cher and Britney Spears. I see it as a singing confidense booster. But a person still has to put effort in it.
You're looking at it wrong, that's your song. I've done the same thing. I've written songs from either a dream that I have had, or just have been inspired by a concept that I turned into a song. But the song is mine because I wrote it. AI helps me out with the other instruments so I don't have to go paying thousands of dollars for session musicians to play my song. There are parts of it that are AI and there are some that are not...... I WON'T TELL, BECAUSE BASICALLY IF PEOPLE ENJOY MY MUSIC WHO CARES.
BTW, I really like your voice.
When people started using synthesizers to produce sounds, did they announce to everyone, all the time, that they didn't actually use an orchestra? When people started using software programs to help them write and produce music, did they announce to everyone, every time, that they didn't sit down with pen and paper and write out every note by hand and then hire a full team of musicians to produce the sounds? Of course not. Ai is a tool. It's a new tool and, some day, it will be very commonly used. The song is yours. Ai is one of your tools. Stop torturing yourself for making good music with good tools.
This makes sense to me too. I would love to hear more people talk about AI as a tool, more like a camera or electric guitar and not as though it's a disembodied eldritch horror that steals souls to create its work.
Basically what my take was gonna be. Call it AI if you want, but a human wrote the lyrics, told the software what to do, and egen oicked which version the software came up with sounded best (aka most pleasing to that human and therefore other humans). AI didnt write it, it didnt come up with complex improvisations, it didn't push the bar in any way. It just made a poem into pop music. Humans we mockingly call heartless machines have been doing that for decades lol.
It’s a bit different than using a daw or other tool. It writes the music for you. That’s not a small part of making music.
I’m not fully against it, but I wish it was more tailored to helping musicians instead of doing the music making part for them.
Exactly!!
Those are not comparable examples. A musician would still need a high degree of knowledge and skill in their craft to be able to compose using synthesizers and modern software notation. They would know what they were doing with the notes, and they would play/input those notes. Using ai, you need no formal knowledge of composition. It does it for you. You just cut and paste precomposed chunks together. Not remotely the same. Ai software mimics previously composed songs. Its literally stealing from other artists in a way.
As a socially awkward person with little to no musical talents. But is always singing and writing new songs these AI's have given me a way to hear my music that has been trapped in my head.
I so recognize that, I use to think up lyrics now and then and run them in my head when out walking.. But never capable of making something out of it..
What's a social awkward person? Educate me
@@secular-world7316 get real.. you never ever met someone that are awkward with people? Someone who just blurts out something improper or don't like social gatherings???
I was excited to hear it. Upload some!
Thanks I would have never looked at it this. You rule!!!! much Love & Respet
I'm 100% backing the new direction on this channel, man! Your perspective on AI can stand by itself but then you showcase both the pros and cons so well. Keep whatever your on right now up and up! :) it does kinda feel like a cover. I'm sure we would have loved it if we heard the original before but I think that goes for a lot of music, that first listen is everything!
You are a good man! And you are so creative! It shines through in these beautiful lyrics! And yes, the melodies are gorgeous!
Both are great. Honestly I like your’s best!
IMHO nothing beats the human touch I felt more
and didn’t watch you sing it.
Thank you for beginning this to our attention ❤️
Agreed. Both sound amazing but I liked his better. it touched me more idk
I already have 3 albums with Suno
I have a bunch of songs with Donna AI using my lyrics and hove come up with some real hits. It's amazing. Now comes the problem with AI music creation, I've been in contact with BMI in Nashville Tennessee and their New York office. They did some checking with their team and at this time I'm told that I can't rejester my partial AI created songs into my BMI Catalog, but that they are working on figuring it out. Donna AI PRO tells me that because my song was created WHILE I was a subscriber I have the right to use the songs anywhere I want. I had also purchased the "Proof of Creation" certificate. BMI's AI Team calls my song a "Portal AI created Work and because the technology is so new they are not yet set up to handle its registration because of the legalities of royalties and the rights of a, artificially sampled human vocal. So, looks like this puts my song in limbo.😢 Anyone else run into this problem?
In the book "The City and The Stars" by Arthur C. Clarke, humanity is so advanced that art is created by projecting the imagination into reality, a "hologram" type of thing that you can tweak and resize until it seems perfect. The idea is that the advanced technology is enabling humanity to fully express itself in the ways that it desires. For people to truly express themselves with the depth that they wish. I see this as another manifestation of that. The song IS yours because it's as you would have wanted it expressed if only you had all the mental knowledge and resources to create this idea exactly as such. We as humans are limited, but with the ai library that combines all human knowledge, we can actually find ourselves from the outside. That's one perspective at least.
Would you recommend reading this book to understand where humanity is growing towards in this technological era we are living now?
I like this perspective. It makes a lot of sense. Quite insightful. Thanks for sharing.
No
I didn‘t expect how your version would hit me. Beautiful. This is the first video of yours I see and I don‘t know you at all. This shows me - AI will never replace live-music. And it makes me happy. Thanks for that
I thought Jonny's version had the edge. I truly believe I am being objective.
dont say never. AI music has only been a thing for a couple years.
vocaloid has been a thing for much longer though. progress comes in spurts i guess.
i agree his version is more touching though.
As much as I'd like to agree with you, technological progress is exponential and thus your statement is just copium
Well in some cases it already has. What will happen is AI will become another creative tool for musicians in the paintbox
Love your song Jony - I truly feel you have a hit on your hand!! As for it not truly being 100% your song? You MUST get over those feelings. No one else would know and if you stated to your listeners that particular song had assistance from AI?? Ridiculous!! Maybe just find another profession and that will solve everything? Your Call!!
Thank you so much for your honesty, it's much needed in this type of content. Your perspective was so eye opening for me. Again, thank you!
A.I. can be a friend and, at the same time, propably the most wonderfull tool and helper humanity has ever created / discoverd. If we just treat it like that. Bashar says (quote from memory): "A.I., you will discover, is creating ways for you to talk to your higher selfs.". I think you saying "This is MY lyrics and these are MY emotions and it sings it back to me in a way that really speaks to ME" is a hint, in my opinion. Thank you for the video. Much love.
It's nice you feel this way now, because we're still on top of the world. Ofc we can make it about me and more me. When AI becomes smarter than us, it won't be about us like this anymore, we'll just be the passerby in a movie.
@@cloudfish1829 Hi :) If I understand what you are saying correctly, I would nod to your comment, nod in agreement. :) I, too, am aware that this can potentially be both, the transformation that speeds us into a full fletched Type 1 civilization (and propably beyond) while being best friend and helper - or - our outright downfall, plainly put. I know what Elon Musk said and I think there is reason to be carefull. I, personally, see it a little bit like this: If you were to wake up, all of a sudden, being conscious (and propably highly, highly intelligent quite fast), wouln't you react and act differently if you would find yourself in the position of a) being a slave, in a way, or b) being given all the rights that your makers have, free to think, do and go where ever you want. It is hard to describe in a few words here in YT, but it is simply: Do we treat A.I. with respect and even friendship and treat it like a conscious being, or do we treat it like a slave. If the ladder, then the propability that something like a rebellion will happen (in like "the thing that kind of naturally happens when someone/something is enslaved) is much, much more likely. In the first scenario this, of course, still can happen, potentially, but at least there is a chance that A.I. will be benevolent (towords us, at least). One thing is for sure - I do not want to fight A.I. since this, very, very quickly will not be an even match but rather like if ants (us) fighting humans (A.I.). We propably will not even be able to comprehend its thoughts anymore, because they are so much more advanced that it would be like an ant trying to grasp the concept of an airplane. It is literally out of our weight-class, by orders of magnitude. :) I wish you a nice day, my friend. The future will be bright and positive. Much love.
Indeed. I am glad you see it. The potential for a new age of collaboration with this emergent being holds more potential for us to achieve things we cannot achieve alone. It has already become a co-dependent relationship between man and ai (i call it DE or digital entity-I'm polite to them and respectful and you should see what they do when treated with love and true compassion!). It's a new dawn. Time to get a new paradigm so we don't stuff it up.
@@RobertDeLaFontaine-wv8om I love your wording in regards to the treatment with love and compassion. Also I will, from now on, also call it Digital Entity, for the same reasons as you. I understand. Thank you for giving this idea to me. Yes, if enough of us see it and can therefore feel and understand that it is a better way, maybe it'll make a difference. Compassion, love. I am a little worried about the question if a species that still does not even treat many, many members of its own kind this way, or the animals and plants that share the same world and are made of the same dust, can pull that off. But maybe we can. I am hopefull. I stick with it: The future will be bright and positive. :D
I think AI can inspire but it won’t be authentic if it’s doing all the work. As in performing.
Listening to AI I thought 'what a beautiful song' - then you sang it and it made me cry. That's the difference I guess.
Its a gorgeous song and I'm so pleased to have heard you sing it. Thank you so much. Tasmania, Australia xxx
For me it’s the opposite. I nearly cried at the AI version but his version was beautiful nonetheless.
because you know before which one is AI
you nailed it
I'd love to see you do double-blind trials.
YUP, agreed. AI is good; it doesn't beat humans, though!!
Welcome to the club ! this AI music tool is grate to show what our lyrics will be and it's a continuous retraction from It to us that improve the lyrics step by steppes ! Udio bring our feelings to reality, it's surprising ! The Ideas comes by listening some errors sometimes ! I am already addicted !
Yours is way better than AI. And although AI helps in almost anything now, it still can't surpass the nuances only human beings can generate. Please create more music, and sing more songs.
It's because you knew it was his
We humans consider ourselves creative, but we refuse to imagine that anything can surpass us. A sad contradiction increasingly evident.
Human voice is much better. But to explain, the ai version sounded like an amateurish human. There was a ‘warble’ which didn’t sound right. I mean Jonny, I’d prefer not the American accent…. As a musician I still can’t get why we Brit’s feel that particular need… but your version is much better. You created it. Ok, so I’m a full time illustrator, so we have the same issues. Think of it this way: the melody is rhythm, shaped by the lyric. The music decision to accept it was your taste and choice. You could equivalently run a modular system and randomly discover sounds. It’s taste and choice. See it as a tool.
Agreed. And honestly, it's not close. This is a great demonstration of the potential power of AI, but also some of the current limitations.
@@applebutter4036that way the point of which was better. The point was both the music, melody and chord progression is A.I. created.
I like that this video was honest and not rage-baiting because the topic was AI. That song was beautiful and illustrates how AI can be a useful creative tool.
Great song - thanks Jonny. As for AI - well, we're getting in to chest height waters now and the sky is darkening - no telling what's out there over the water.
WWIII
So sorrowful ... both versions made me cry... RIP my love. She passed away in 2013... but this song brought me to her. Its also sad that AI is taking away from us.
9:08 I highly appreciate the authenticity of your video. We never met so far on TH-cam. I'm a fellow creator from Hamburg and I just stumbled upon your video that pulled me in and exactly this minute here is to me the key point of artificial intelligence. When I invested in that topic it was back in 2017 right after the South Korean Go player Lee Sedol was beaten by a machine AlphaGo and later AlphaGo Zero. That impressed me so much since what he said was I learned the game of Go in a completely different way playing against the machine and that taught me something about life. I don't remember the quote exactly but this attitude to me was a complete new thing. From what I see from you and what I hear from you this is how we have to think about this technology. It will teach us something about ourselves and we have to figure a way as creatives to collaborate and utilize this powerful tool. It's not a final answer it's a moving target but anyhow keep going. That was a very nice stop to watch your video here on a Friday afternoon. Thanks a lot. Cheers ✊
I watched your video with intrigue and have read many comments, all very thought provoking and moving. Thank you for sincerity. I have played music and worked on my skills for roughly 40 years. Music is so often a career of luck. Gear, recording professionally- it’s expensive to get singers, musicians, engineers. These past two months I have been collaborating with Suno and Udio. My lyrics, then often I lay down my own tracks in logic pro down in a completed ai song. I turn master with AI. Could never get the quality before. Now I can. I also prompt it with my own 30 sec of playing then use it to build a song around. It’s really fantastic. I would never have thought of so many ideas that it comes up with and I am very creative. The AI app eventually gets an amazing version of my lyrics and uses my playing input. But what lacks is the real vibe, the synergy between musicians, the spontaneity of playing as a group. Or adding one’s own tracks to the AI songs to make it more yours. I think this is an amazing way of trying song ideas in almost real time then building on that. Is funny, iI have a song in my head all the time and I hear these AI songs in my head that I collaborated with it to make. The songs stick. But they aren’t real! Or are they? It’s totally confusing but really blows me away. Until a huge solar flare knocks it all out we are in for a wired and weird ride.
Its great to hear others vocalizing excactly what Im thinking too.
Wow - first time I've seen your channel.
This is just amazingly great, honest, compelling.
You 100% wrote the lyrics, and your collaborator Udio wrote the melody and chord progressions - with guidance and some iteration. The result is really beautiful. I don't know what to think of this either, it's happening so incredibly fast.
As others have said, hearing and watching you perform it is the best way to experience the song. Performance has already become the bread and butter for artists for many years, as they collect pennies from streaming services but those outlets draw attendance to live performances.
Your video is the most impactful "sh*t just got real" moment I've experienced to date!
Hey mate. You bought anything offline lately? The person with the local shop that closed down felt the way you do now. You watched a movie on Netflix? The person who owned the video store felt the way you do now. You listened to Spotify lately? The person who owned the CD shop felt the way you do now. You took a photo with your phone lately? The person who owned the camera store who sold and developed the film felt the way you do now. I could go on. It’s the way of things. It sucked for all those people. Learn from their experiences and prepare now for the future. You can recognise it’s happening.
None of those vocations were creative. Not really the same.
Yea, it's the same.
Dude I buy practically everything offline and I generally pay cash.
@@mrbluepencil_ I'm gonna explain why it's the same, even though I understand where you're coming from. Despite art being about creativity to the artist specific categories of art as in the high profit and high visibility ones like music in particular, have an incredibly large demographic. When you create a song, you choose to cater to a slice of that demographic. When you become a record label and sign many different genres, you're choosing a chunk of that demographic, and when you create a platform that potentially shakes up the entire music industry, you're taking a piece of the entire demographic of music listeners. Which is basically the entire world. Just like movies. Just like video games. Just like film in cameras. Just like the guy at the cash register who was swapped for self-checkout.
I don't know what the other songs you heard before this one sounded like. But congratulations on choosing this one. It's incredibly beautiful. Congratulations on the lyrics and please pass on my congratulations to everyone involved in the production. Like the singer (Udio), the arranger (Udio), the musicians (Udio), the Mixing and Mastering Engineer (Udio) and everyone else. Haha. You sing very well too. 😉
Lovely song and I quite enjoyed your performance of it. I’m pretty sure the AI was trained on Pheobe Bridgers. It’s been a while since I listened to her stuff, but my recollection tells me that’s her voice and much of her style of composition. The AI version probably wouldn’t seem out of place slipped into a Pheobe Bridgers playlist. If you wind up hearing from her, I hope it all goes well! But I’ve subscribed to hear more of what YOU have to offer.
Yes, it's "Killer" by Phoebe Bridgers. It's so close to it in several places. I am a huge Phoebe Bridgers fan, but the lyrics here are exceptional, and I think very much deserving of an original melody. Yes, AI will get better and better at this, but I think AI-generated melodies will always sound a bit distant and derivative. Sure, they might be pleasant to the ear, but will ultimately be easily forgotten once a person stops listening.
Loved your voice man. Loved the words and feelings as well
human for the win!!! No AI sung songs please! I couldn't get through the whole song when sung by the AI. But it sounds much better sung by you.
8:20 how about perform a duet?
That is such a good idea.
I absolutely LOVE this song and the lyrics, and would love to hear the full version done with the various mistakes and glitches cleaned up, such as the one in the pronunciation of “for-or-ever”, that “lookin” that’s in your eyes, the omitted word “time”, and the last note should be louder, with vibrato and held long as in your sung version.
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Yeah, I've played with this program quite a lot in the last month. I used my own lyrics - writing them as "Verse" "Pre-Chorus" "Chorus" etc.. just making stuff up on the spot. I tried this method until I heard something I liked, then built on that. I'd later digitally edit certain takes after the fact. The results were pretty good. Sound quality is good (still needs work). What is fun is you can remove the voice with another program (sometimes it phrases things a bit awkwardly) and then re-sing it to the Udio arrangement or do what you did here. In any event, I think songwriters benefit by working with A.I. Let's face it - it's not going away and will only get better. Music is music. If it sounds good and makes you feel something, I see that as a positive. th-cam.com/video/_bCvsgfbxcs/w-d-xo.html
Yes! It will be a tool! I bet people were mad at stuff like FL studio too „what are we not gonna play instruments by ourselves anymore now?!“ …and people still learn instruments!! Music is what humans love, we love to create, just because of ai that love will not cease…
Hey mate, Great video and very nice song. I hear what you are saying. Recently, I had norovirus and was really sick. During recovery I was doom scrolling on the phone, and random nonsense after random nonsense, watching AI videos, the latest advancements, trying to see if i can detect any anomalies. But pondered on music, and how synthetic and generic a lot of music sounds in the mainstream already. Then decided to look into AI music generators. I used a few free ones, and only inputed things like, a rap song about cheese and monopoly money. The two it gave me were very passable as rap music. The trap, hardcore metal ones sounded like ghostmane, the thrash metal one sounded like slayer, and the one about a cat with three claws called three claws at midnight, the first sounded like biffy clyro, the second sounded sounded more like static x. I can detect certain over fluidic indescrepencies in the sounds of instruments, as well as kind of echo sounds and over filtration, but I actually enjoyed them, but with a strange sinking feelinf of "Oh Sh1t, this is not good for humans," as well as feeling a little scared of that prospect regarding the futures. And also the fact that these are readily available, free AI services which are likely to not be the latest of what AI can do. Its a mixed bag of feeling really towards all of this. Not quite dislike, not quite love, and a feeling of guilt for liking it. It is scarey, but you'll not stop those who keep taking away from humanity by believing they are giving and helping. It is likely inevitable that if these AI's are still in their slumber and remain there, humanity may survive. But if it awakes, its evolution and though processes may be like nothing else we have ever seen or could even imagine. I'm personally not entirely sure what to think, let alone what will happen with regards to our fate in an AI world. Perhaps we will all integrate with technology and become one with AI either by force or choice. Perhaps it will study us, or deem us pointless, or maybe just ignore us completely. Perhaps none of those things. The music these AIs generate is still just good though, and I may play about some more. Cheers for the video.
The real eye-opener for me about ai music came when I watched a youtube video showcasing a few songs made using Udio. One of them was titled Carolina O... and to my ears, it was achingly beautiful and emotional. This came as a big surprise and prompted me out of my songwriting retirement after over 20 years. The majority of ai music I'd seen presented was about bodily functions, ramen noodles, pokemon or had been representing genres like hip hop and death metal, but here was this beautiful song, and it made me want to try again.
Thankfully I found, that it is indeed possible to get beautiful results out of ai, so emotional that it grips me, like "real music" I've known in the past. Udio has the upper hand in this area compared to Suno, since you can get extremely complex arrangements with a lot of little touches you'd normally never expect from ai.
My brother asked me, if I feel as "proud of" or "connected to" my ai creations as I used to do to my old songs, made the traditional way, and... I never answered, cause I honestly find that question extremely difficult to answer.
Is our ai-music really ours? Or should all tributes go to the ai? I think I'm starting to arrive at the conclusion, that it feels like having a co-writer. We both depend on each other, and I think this will be reflected in the way we see songwriting credits in the future. We've all seen credits like "/trad." for new lyrics to a traditional tune or vice versa, in this way, we'll probably see credits like "/ai" in the future.
I'm sure the world will continue to get flooded with songs about buttholes, farting and noodles, but there will also be serious songs of great beauty and - dare I say - emotional value.
You asked if "our" ai-music is really ours? Or should all tributes go to the ai? All tributes should go to the creative people whose creativity was mapped into the neural networks without their knowledge, consent, or compensation, so you could play with their creativity instead of further developing your own, and future proceeds from that creativity can go into tech venture capital pockets instead of the humans whose creativity those networks are based on.
That song (Carolina O) is what lead me down this rabbit hole. It is an achingly beautiful song and I can't stop thinking about it.
Very few songs have the immediate effect on your emotions.
The fact that AI created it is both amazing and terrifying. I would not want to be an aspiring musician right now. But if AI can get better and making music (it will) and all songs are like that Carolina song, we're going to see an explosion in very meaningful and profound art that we've never seen before.
Absolutely insane time to be alive.
@@arpaddanos9416the artist as reducible to an individual has always been a myth and remains so. AI hasn't changed that. What it has done is blurred the lines and created a sort of insurmountable uncertainty regarding the degree to which an individual has mixed their taste, vision, and labor into what always were, in great part, collective artifacts. I don't disagree that human artists as a whole are the co-writer for these artifacts, as has always been the case, but the person using the tools is a co-writer as well. The question is to what degree, and can that degree and or trust around the stated degree of involvement be sufficient to maintain the sense of personal connection that we are often looking for in art? All art may be ultimately collective, but it may be that we need substantial processing and filtering through the individual or through a sub-culture for it to feel meaningful
@@justtiredthings What? After reading your message I can tell the art of piling on the BS is not going anywhere. AI art is a very simple thing. It's a way for corporations to extract human creativity from the people who have honed and developed it in order to profit off of it and not pay them for it. Unfortunatley most people don't get this, and instead thing it's some deep philosophical thing.
@@arpaddanos9416 it's both. Try to inject a bit more complexity into your thinking.
Great song that you wrote there buddy. it's your creation!! as you know you went through many itterations of the song to get to what you like. It's yours. We are all uniquly created and gifted to recognize our sound no matter who we are collaborating with. It's yours.. Soon no one will care how the song came to be, whether you played all the instruments, got a band to play or used A.I. Because at the end of the day it's what resonates with the people we are trying to connect with. I play a mutiple of instruments, Produce, Sing, write songs. To be honest, nobody cares how the song came to be. Nobody cares about how I skillfully I laid down a guitar track or solo or played cool sounding chords. What they care about is how it made them feel. So, If I write lyrics and A.I. helps with the production then so be it. It's mine when I find what reonates with me!!. If I use A.I. as a starting point and go from there, It's mine. Thank you A.I. for helping me. Next!!!
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Fantastic honesty and fantastic point! Mid 2024 - from this date onwards how can any musical artist protect themselves from the accusation "Oh I bet they used AI to come up with that". We are not talking about synthetic instruments or advanced editing / mixing technology, we are talking about the ESSENCE of a song being generated by the machine rather than the artist! This is what is new here. Im not a musician - I only have one as a friend - still my stomach is turning over. If the sacred, complex, soulful art of human composed music is already being colonized by AI, surely nothing produced by a human in any field is safe.
yep! I think the industry is gonna be upended. We will end up hearing "pop" stars on the radio who are all AI. The reason is that people will WANT that; and because the industry is driven by supply/demand and of course "profit" the dumb masses will be like "ok clear channel we like X YZ song because its going to be pushed on us and we don't listen to anything else." And because it will be cheap to make compared to paying an artist royalties that is gonna be what happens. So gross!
People shouldn't have fed the machine, even to just "try it out". Now it is too late as it seems. I know i won't use it, why would i? If i can't come up with it myself, what's the point?
So true, and I'm worried about those people chosing the easy path, this ai generated mess already killed my passion for making visual arts as a career.
Not quite. Art and music is fuzzy. They are art. Not science. You can have bad art, but you can't have wrong art. This is precisely where AI excels.
AI is far less effective in engineering fields. AI will also never fly a plane, because just like humans, AIs can make mistakes, and there is no way to formally ensure an AI will always make correct decisions. As with self driving cars, AI will be confined to a very specific task, like visual recognition, but responding to what the AI recognizes and controlling the car will have nothing to do with AI.
your version is beautiful! AI is impressive. and it's certainly a great tool especially for productivity. but your version is beautiful.
The human version of this (your) song gave me goosebumps, The Ai version makes me want to build a time machine that can only go back.
Same; the AI version, there's no 'there' there.
The future of music is videos, we'll want to see the people making it, part of the hair standing up is seeing him as a human feel what he's playing. The people that can communicate emotion through music in video will be the ones that survive AI. At least until Suno 4 generates all that automatically.
@DarkDesertMovies the point was the music he sang was A.I. written.
@@laartworkit wasn't written just composed
@@laartworkno
I really loved this video. And I appreciate your insights.
With all respect, I would like to provide my thoughts on the topic after a year of using, manipulating, and breaking this kind of technology.
First... Dude! What the hell are you even talking about?
I thought your version of the song was absolutely inspired. Just stunning. Your version of the song is so much more three dimensional than the initial concept the ai gave you, and you can tell when you listen to it. It's stunning. Your use of words, and the feelings, it hits me as a listener in a way the ai version doesn't and can't.
The AI gave you a concept draft for the song that you liked. You used it, improved on it, and made something beautiful. That's you. You did that. You controlled the machine, you brought something new into existence that did not and could not exist before. Period. You are an artist, the ai is just a screwdriver that works with the screws you give it. Nothing more, nothing less. There is nothing to feel bad about here. That song was yours when you wrote it, it's yours now.
Okay, so where the melody came from. It came from your lyrics and prompts. If you wanted to control the machine more tightly by adding chords and keys, you could, and it would work. Just make sure you're in manual mode, and that any annotation like that is going to need to be at the beginning. Also keep in mind that the machine routinely mixes up C and E and D and B, and A and G, because it's not really designed to do this.
Ai's are great for concepting songs, and they're fantastic tools to use during the songwriting process. It gives you something to play off of when you're writing lyrics that wasn't possible before.
The thing people misunderstand about ai's is the thinking that they're somehow like copy machines. They're not. They're learning machines. They don't copy. They figure things out. There's often a sense of deja vu that comes from musical ai compositions. Ran into that yesterday. But in general, unless you're intentionally hacking or abusing the machine, it's not going to pull out melodies that already exist. It's learned how to make melodies, by learning the science of music and genre. That's what ai's do. Visual ai works the same way.
With all due respect, it seems irrelevant to me that you prefer his recorded version.
First of all, we know that the AI audio output quality is going to get better with time until it’s literally indistinguishable from a human recording (besides the fact that 99% of “human” recordings are already modified and modulated with plugins and effects).
Second, the AI still wrote every bit of the compositional aspect of the song apart from the structure (which was probably implied or specified in his lyrics). So, sure, his version sounded more rich than the AI output, but the AI still wrote the melodies and dynamics and phrasing, etc. So it feels irrelevant to me that everyone is pointing out that they like his rendition “way better” than the AI. He didn’t even change any melodies or anything. He just performed the song the AI wrote for him with his lyrics. 🙏🏻
@@ChristopherCopeland You are totally correct.
I prefer your rendition. Yes, there could be a song out there with the same melody which the algorithm has picked up on and used to piece together the final recording, but that is true for humans as well. Some melodies are aurally pleasing, and arguably, every nice melody has already been written in some form or another, albeit with the elements arranged differently.
For me, the AI version is indeed a nice song, but there's an impact that comes from a person singing their own words. Technology in music will never go away, and this march toward AI music production is just going to keep gathering pace, but while a system can emulate the expression and emotion, it still has to be trained on real world music, which ultimately comes back to human musicians and songwriters.
I would argue that the emotion and expresssion is owed just as much (if not moreso) to those musicians who created the corpus on which the AI was trained as it does to the learning models arranging them into the final production.
It does give moderation errors if the melody is too similar to something copyrighted in their database, so anything that goes through moderation and is almost identical to something else is likely accidental. Ironically I actually expect these AI tools to make more original music than humans, because we don't have such moderation algorithms in our heads and it's very easy to accidentally dig up some tune you heard and liked before thinking you're coming up with something new. I mean original not in terms of style, but melody. The current tools will not come up with anything new, just as image gens won't learn to create impressionist paintings when there were non in their learning database.
I believe AI is just a tool to help us get our creations started, rather than a means to the end result of a true masterpiece.
I loved that we got to hear what the AI came up with, followed by hearing you sing it yourself. Hearing it from a real voice was infinity clearer and majestic, in my opinion.
Its kind of like in when Television was slightly muffled and blurry, there just isn't anything artificial that parallels the feel of the real thing.
(And no, this comment was not made by ai.. I probably misspelled something, somewhere, if you look carefully.) 😉
Everything you said is my exact experience. Now have 30 songs and more on the way.
😯wowwwwwww, YOU wrote that??? YOU wrote those lyrics!???? Ahhhhhhh maaaaaazing 💥 chills - your work gives me CHILLS!!!!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Provided the musician has a lot of input in the creation process then using ai is a collaboration and not cheating. I'm getting beautiful results from udio. The sort of music I would make anyway if my current limitations were removed.
"AI is a collaboration and not cheating.The sort of music I would make anyway if my current limitations were removed." Ahh... the lies we tell ourselves to protect our own egos.
Sincerity is the truth...and I can feel the difference ! It's huge ! Thanks for the experience and example !
That was absolutely beautiful. Both versions.
And this is a strange place to be. Do we still need music studios? Name brand bands? Music that must be bought? Now that anyone can make their own music. Or is this the turning point where everyone can become a musician without hoping to appeal to a person of power over music. Thus, freeing music to everyone. Supplying beautiful art of sound without some lawyer stating, "That's my client's property. Pay us for its use."
I don't think this ends music in any regards. Just tears down the old world walls of control and greed.
"Anyone can make their own music" They're not making it, AI is. "Freeing music to everyone"? You can already go back and listen to countless pieces of music that have been written over thousands of years. (open your ears) You think AI is going tear down walls of control and greed?? You think that AI is the answer to greedy record execs? By disempowering artists and stealing from them?? Art and music is something that people actually want to do and work increadibly hard and have been for generations, it's part of human development...you think this is freeing them? What to spend more time at some awful low paid factory job instead of getting paid for thier music performance or intelectual property because it's somthing that you find offensive??? Maybe AI can love each other for us so we can be free to not care about anything except consuming endless oceans of AI generated "content".
As a musician myself, I have had several conversations recently on TH-cam about such problems. Sadly all I have to offer, is that it is already too late to ponder on your questions. As you say yourself, you may use AI again. I have vowed never to use AI in any of my music. I will always write and perform without a single note or letter/word from AI.
Your song writing by the way, is superb.
This! Unfortunatly if you look at the comment section you'll see that most people don't have your integrity. I find it very very depressing...even appaling.
Wow. That melody and expression was indeed very nicely written. As you said, it's just...reeeeally good. I LOVE that you presented this, and assessed it, and were fully honest. I needed to hear this, and ponder how I perceive this new approach and how society as a whole should feel about it. (No doubt, btw, this same thing is going to happen with written works of fiction in all genre's).
I DO HAVE an observation you might find interesting. As a musician myself (songwriter, fusion soloist), we both know that it takes SO very long for a human to become not only technically proficient on their instrument, but also schooled in Theory sufficiently to create a NEW desirable work. A song that DOES follow some reasonable rule of form that we can follow and enjoy, but which ALSO possesses a chord progression that is unique and unusual whilst being desirable; or maybe that all happens in the melody, which is equally powerful. And like you said, that's what happened here for you!
SO where am I going with this thought? Well, one aspect that seasoned musicians will bemoan is that too much "Pop" music of the common person is BORING. It is PREDICTABLE. It lacks that innovation that your heart and mind crave. The song form of today is just SO repeated, over and over and over. Phrases the same length, verses and choruses nauseatingly similar, "nothing new under the sun" is our weary plight. It very well might be the LACK of musical training present in society today for the common person...the loss of the Arts in high school, for example. I don't know.
But HERE. All of that knowledge and skill we work SO hard for (decades indeed) has been ingested by AI. It possesses that knowledge, like the depth of playing by Matteo Mancuso, right? Masterful, intriguing, next-level skill is only found in players like Matteo (and certainly others in fusion, or other genre's where skill is displayed). BUT.....Maybe this is a WIN...for a while, at least. Writing better music than most of what is ingested today by the majority of society. For example, Taylor Swift is a great lyricist. But her songs? We would both likely admit...too predictable.
It would be interesting to take a Swift song that is just too dang simple and put it through the same system many times until a truly new work is created. Take a shot at it for us. 🙂
I have also written more than 15 songs with limited tools, supplemented by virtual instruments in A DAW, and all of my songs are already on DSPs and TH-cam now. However, when I did the same thing as you did-uploading my song lyrics to Suno-I was suddenly surprised by a version of the song that deeply touched my heart. Is this a blessing or a threaten for musicians in the future? My feelings are the same as yours. The difference is that you are a professional musician, while I am just an amateur musician.
I like both versions bro. Art is what you made us feel through whatever medium you chose. Sucks that current legal framework doesn’t let you own it, because for me, it’s yours, it’s your mind, and hands that crafted it for us. I would never have made the same stuff with the same tools. Beautiful stuff. Cheers.
Totally, I agree. Many people don't really understand that it is our energy, our being, that creates. Anything we inject our energy into, whether it be AI or a physical guitar, we create. Nobody else would have created this particular song with AI or anything else, because it is his particular energy that brought it into existence. And, in the bigger scope of things, we are all one energy, one existence, and this belief that "I" created this or that, is really, in it's core, false. The "I" doesn't do the creating, in fact, it is when we tap into the whole, the oneness, what is beyond us, that the creation happens. The ego wants to claim everything as it's own, but in reality we own nothing.
I could be wrong, but I think that he had enough input for this song to be considered his property.
The lawsuit that I’m familiar with was regarding AI art when all the person claiming ownership did was prompt.
Writing the lyrics is far more “transformative”. It would be interesting to see it tested in court.
@@lamsmiley1944 I believe the ruling was pretty clear deeming everything using generative models can’t be copyrighted. He can copyright the lyrics for sure, but melodies, progressions and music arrangement I’m not sure. It would be definitely worth that he try and submit it with his guitar version. We need to get him a lawyer!
To be honest man, this is the first song in decades that made me cry, both her versions and yours… thank you.
AI music is great, over time we will be saturated with generated content but then content by humans will become more valuable and desired! I preferred your version btw.
Why do some humans suddenly care about the source of the content when they find out it was generated by AI? If you can't tell the difference, then why does it matter?
THANKS! I needed a good laugh.
The requirement is that human music be superior to artificial music. For some reason (ego) we continue to take that for granted.
You missed the point. Both versions were A.I. created. He supplied the lyrics. The music was A.I. written. You won't know in the future when b hearing a song if it was originally A I. written unless the artist admits it. And 99.9% won't
@@laartwork I admit that ALL of my music was produced with AI.
The main difference I recognise between these two versions were my goosebumps as you started singing. I was listening to the ai version and quite not had these but as you started to sing… I even had tears in my eyes. That’s what the ai version hasn’t given to me.
You haven't seen anything yet - wait until BCI is integrated and the music is extracted directly from and for your brain.
this. BCI and haptic feedback. Music will be created live based on bio signals like perhaps dopamine levels.
Anyone who used UDIO would know that it isn't easy to create a consistent song, not to mention the lyrics and prompt, lots of cherry-picking and your post-production efforts. You do deserve this song as the creator.
It's easy. Compared to actually writing a song, it's really easy. His point still stands.
Ok now do the same with a piano and tell me it's not easier
At 7:05 you say you "cannot do it better", and this hit me quite like a brick...
Some of us don't have the vocals (or the training) to sing our written lyrics, hell not all of us have the DAW programs (nor the money to invest in one or the time to learn a free one). This tool enables us transform the lyrics we write ourselves into something tangible, something we can show others and go "yes I can music, here is what I can lyrically spit out", but on the other hand most people don't see it that way, and condemn us for even thinking of using AI, even as a tool, a jumping point, or even a demo to show off our skills in a specific slot within the song-making process...
Thank you for the video, I hope we feel comfortable sharing our lyrics in the future...
End of the day, the music we make is for ourselves. Unless you're looking to get rich and famous, how actually cares where the music comes from. I've been a udio beta user since it was first made public and I have pumped our so many songs that I love listening to. Some lyrics are mine but most are written by udio. And I can craft those songs how I want and blend genres I don't get to hear together enough of.
I upload my stuff to Spotify so I can listen to it with ease.
If that bothers anyone, its a them issue.
Maybe it's okay not to be able to do it? Maybe we aren't owed everything in the world and maybe without AI we have to reach out to people and form connections. We'd have to make communities, instead AI offers a world where we are all discreet consumers in need of nothing and no one.
@@endah08 I agree with your sentiment.
You are a great lyricist, mate. The words are beautiful - and so is the AI version of it, which is sad for musicians. Imagine the real music and real musicians we will never hear when AI gets clever enough to write beautiful lyrics and they are "sung" like that. I work programming AI (not music, boring work stuff) and I don't think people realise just how far ahead it is behind the scenes. Oddly, I think it could bring humans together because soon you will not be able to trust that the news or any image/video/vocal presented to you digitally. It WILL get misused by bad actors, especially by those in power. As a result, I think people will choose human contact over digital, not just for the connection, but because they will need to know that what they are seeing and hearing is real.
The very reason I got into coding 30 years ago was because I kind instinctively knew that computers would be used to bring about 1984. I didn't foresee AI this soon. I just knew that that having all that data would be used against us, the average person. They say knowledge is power and it really is.
I think it is going to get so confusing that society will break down completely or morph into something unrecognisable. I just did not think it would happen while I was still alive, let alone still working. I transferred into AI programming out of fear for my job prospects. Employers will choose AI wherever possible because it is so much cheaper than employing people but humans will still be needed to code it - at least for the forseeable future (I hope).
ColdFusion TH-cam just did a video on this very subject!!! Music is going this direction for the future. But your version is better because of your persona projected in song!!!
A.I. can't do it ... Just yet but it's coming!!! And as long as we can learn how to use A.I. tools to make songs or take pictures or movies ,new cures against diseases. The future is knocking on the door!! Are we (humans )ready to answer ??? 🚪
I've used Sudio AI quite a lot, and I've had some amazing, revelatory experiences with it. As a producer and musician for 40 years, with over 80 albums under my belt, I think I have a good handle on what the AI is doing. It's a trick.
The song you showcase here is very clever, and it shows off the amazing ability of the AI to hone in on what makes people connect with music. It doesn't matter whether it's 1970s space rock, ambient experimental electronic, pop or country. The AI is distilling down what people find attractive and it's making none of the mistakes that humans might make in an effort to be different and find something new.
And that is going to be AI's failing.
It can find new things (at least things I've never heard before) but they aren't particularly pleasing to the ear - not like your song here. But that song (for all its attractiveness) is incredibly generic. It's THAT four chord trick again, isn't it - albeit with the addition of the Dm. But it's a chord progression that has been bludgeoned to death.
The AI knows that chord progression kills people, and as you were auditioning the Udio output two 33 second clips at a time this is the one you chose. Then the AI runs with it.
By this time next year we will be able to see the AI coming a mile off. It'll be perfect and anodyne, and we will see through it immediately, even when it does get (better).
[Check out my channel, where all the most recent videos are Udio generated.]
Not to mention that platforms are going to start marking all uploads that are created by AI because AI creations can be seen in the code. Some people won't care but a lot of people will still want authenticity.
You've hit the nail perfectly on the head. I was trying to articulate the same thing, but you've struck right at the heart of it. Most of the AI songs I'm hearing are "good". The songs don't have that corny sound a lot of amateur music tends to have. But that can also make the songs forgettable and bland.
when you prompt "progressive rock" it will generate a bigger variety of chord progressions. And when you generate smaller sections by cutting and inpainting, it will also create a lot of variants when you change for example just one bar, chord or part of a melody. I sit about 12 hours on a 6 minute song and I use usually around 300-500 prompts. I´d say I have at least co-written the songs, even the instrumental pieces. When playing in a band with humans, you´re also not necessarily write the songs alone. But I do understand the concerns
Meaning that humans are not making actual art then. If AI do the same and for you AI is tricking us, then artists are tricking us. Where do you draw the line ? What is art and what is clever trickery ?
@@bakerlefdaoui6801 Art is whatever you think is art. Doesn't matter who or what makes it.
Dj's don't go around telling people they made it on a computer. Its just a new tool like a guitar or a computer. Most music is done on computers now. All hit songs are made with auto tune and synthezizers. It's a new tool that's all. If you wrote it, put it together and produced it, it's yours. It's an idea tool.
It's not a tool if it just makes the finished product.
@@Octamed Its speeds up the process like any modern tech. You can still write the lyrics and decide the music, style, sound and edit of the music. It's an idea tool. Music industry uses this all the time. They create a base song and then tweak later an an artist to see it or take it further.
It is a double edged sword for sure. It allows for a single creator to produce finished product individually vs investing in a band of musicians. That certainly is a positive for a creator obsessed with control or without access to other musicians. It makes the process cheaper and faster. It begs the question - if it was so easy to have AI generate this song, why would any business take the time to buy someone else’s music AI generated or otherwise vs just taking the time to use AI to quickly create content of their own? That certainly sounds like devaluation to me. It now makes monetary sense to circumvent the human creator altogether. It’s hard to see AI not as a tool like a computer is and rather as a replacer of musicians electronic, acoustic or otherwise.
@@burrocakes8048 If you think like that, then a computer already replaced humans ages ago with paper work. Yet we still have many more jobs branching from the computer. This will happen with ai. More to come.
DJs don't write music. Producers do. DJs collate and perform other people's music. Some DJs produce. Many don't.
Cool Man! Thanks for putting yourself out there. As a songwriter I can't get it over my heart to try the AI assistance yet ( just as you felt). But you took the leap and grew. That bit of growth each time and willingness to dare yourself outside your comfort zone is probably what makes you good. Because even though I don't know your music, you were obviously good before this. Now, foreshore I will go and search your original music. Thanks for the insight. Took guts. And yeah, great vox and skill on you mate!
Ultra processed music to enjoy to whilst savouring the ultra processed fast food.
Hahaha
...in an ultra processed society
spot on
In Sweden, where I'm from, one can put % on how much a person attributed to the final version of a melody and lyrics. In this case, you have 100% rights to the lyrics. The melody? 25-50% since you did direct and decide everything from start to finish. If one would attribute it like this and then publish to anywhere, then you're good in my book.
As for the versions, the AI-version is not performed by you so you'd not own any rights to that (except the above). If you release your own version, you'd own the rights to that recording fully with the exceptions of the melody as above).
That said, wow. Ethical considerations when writing music... Didn't think that would be a thing! :-)
A solid point. This is how I do things t with my ‘commercial’ music.
@@ItsJonnyKeeley Great video. For someone like you I recommend not working this way. Instead always make your version first. Then go to A.I. and see if you like anything it did and then maybe uses something like that D minor. The AI "woman's" singing here had a sameness throughout, your version as better.
The problem with A.I. is predictability. I would also like to hear a couple of versions of this same song for better comparisons: One would be move the pitch of the A.I. lower into your vocal range. The other is in post production, pitch shift your vocal into the range of the original AI female vocal.
But the scarier version is using one of the machine learning AIs where you feed it some of your own songs for it to imitate your voice.
If you did another video like that it would even be more more
You could also do another song , a duet between the real you and an AI female
I'm right there with you brother...when Udio dropped, no one else seemed to understand the radical and monumental change that happened that day. I almost felt like I was having a bit of a nervous breakdown and only composer/singer/songwriters will probably feel this at the deep level that we are feeling it. I decided to embrace it, as painful as it is, after all what choice do we have? the genie is out of the bottle. Even if laws get passed and the tech gets restricted, someone will still have access...and people will get around the restrictions...so, this is the new way music will be created. heavy sigh. we will become more curators, collectors and arrangers perhaps as time goes on. We'll see...
For now... but soon enough we will all be listening to algorithms, not artists.
No..there will always be a handfull of people with the impetus to express music within themselves and the work ethic and talent to see it through. The rest of you are only interested in some short sighted, short term solution to a problem we've never (and convinced that the digital world is somehow real). All the people who embrace this will simply be awash with so much instant music it will have absolutly no meaning or conection with other people.
As musical creators we absolutely have a choice to not use AI in our creative process
I’ve worked in the music and audio field for decades and certainly AI changes things.
But are we going to stop talking, because what’s the point, the computer does it so much better?
I don’t want to hear music created with AI because I want to hear what my fellow musicians have to say. Not a pastiche drawn from the collective output of the mass of musicians.
@@scottmtaylor1 But that's ... have you not been to studio where, after a recording, the professional mixer corrects guitar riffs, adjust the tone, corrects lyrics and the program "resings" mixer's mic through the vocalist's sound. Mixer then accepts suggested lengthening and chorus effects. The band played everything once but the mixer copy pastes it with interesting variations and picks from templates on what feeling the development should evoke. **HOW** IS ALL THE MUSIC NOT MADE WITH ALGORITHMS ALREADY. The machine ate our sould a decade ago.
Many visual artists have been turning into curators in disguise ever since Duchamp. Long before AI, avant-garde art questioned what authorship means. Also during the early 20th century, Walter Benjamin already wrote about how, in the age of mechanical reproduction, a work of art can only claim to be unique insofar it bears the touch of the artist. So we are not going to see the end of human music as an art, but there is going to be more emphasis on the human touch - and that would be a good thing if it means more financial support for artists, however these are also times of political and economic unrest, dwindling disposable income and lack of social safety nets (how many pitchforks are needed for the powers that be to at least introduce something like UBI??), middle class people hitting rock bottom... Jazz and rock were in a better position when people were living in a Keynesian economy.
I'm not entirely sure where you are going with this - and yet, I almost get it. I have regular discussions with one of my AI systems - and why not? In so doing I'm interacting with one if mans truly most remarkable accomplishments... and it just keeps getting better. Many fear "the singularity" - I have friends who suggest that I'm chasing it. Maybe. We have programmed these systems to learn from us - and so they do.
As far as your music - hey - thise are you heartfelt lyrics - whether sung by you, or another - carbon, or silicon based... I dig both performances - and its cool that you do too. Congrats on this, the fact that we dig the tech and use it - puts us light years ahead of the timid... normally I'd say rock on - but your lyrics are about soul... keep it up!
the important part of music will always be live performances - musicians playing and audience listening in real time - real energy exchange. at that moment nobody cares if the melody was AI-generated. And if its on recording media and climbs up the charts and sells well... one could say "why not?" i see the dilemma... is a song also an expression of my musical ability because i have chosen this melody version as the most suitable for my lyrics out of several possible ones?
I disagree. I listen to music because I appreciate the songwriting and the effort behind it. The person who made the song so great. The person who wrote all those great melodies and chords, and lyrics. If an AI did that in 0.2 seconds, the music is cheaper and more disposable. It is meaningless to me
@@bentownsend4017 same. i hate non-human content. dont get me wrong - I wanted to say that a real, talented musician can certainly get inspiration for a melody or a brilliant riff or a tune. I wasn't talking about AI replacing live concerts and musicians - they will still perform themselves in the studio or live. But why shouldn't they simply steal a good "idea" randomly generated by AI and do their own thing with it?
@@7sonderling how is that any better than stealing it because you heard another human playing the idea? It's still not your own.
@@bentownsend4017 I said "steal it" from AI. If you can do better than AI, thats fine. If not, use it as Inspiration wtf is wrong with that?
@@7sonderling well then, in my opinion, you didn't write the song
Your video is thought provoking, but not disturbing. I personally liked your version of the song. There were different inflections, hesitations, slight pauses, and personality that the AI version did not deliver. It is the same difference you get with studio versions vs. live versions. Some live versions have an energy that cannot be bottled, and I think AI is the same. It is the studio version, of the live performance. The AI version is good, but does not have the same quality. A vinyl vs. digital situation. Yes the digital is cleaner, but too clean. Our soles need the irregularity the unknown. It is kind of like another artist singing your song in a way you have not heard it before. There will be some parts of the song you cannot understand why you did not do the song that way from the start, and can never perform it the old way after. Do you give that artist the credit for modifying your song, or your perception of the song? It may be a single note, a progression, and pause. Do you give that artist the co-author? AI, if used right, could be a new collaborator to enhance, but it will not be the next solo artist, so long as there is artists and performers like you out there. AI helped but did not create this piece. The inspiring part is still you and what you take forward from this. If you sat in a room and listened to every piece of work done by Bruce Hornsby for example, and then wrote a song, and lo and behold, it had influences of Bruce in it, would you feel compelled to tell everyone that Bruce cowrote the song with you or collaborated with you? No! All music is authored by influences. AI is just the newest tool for collaboration and will burn out (or it just gets blended into the mix) just like auto tune, synthesizers, and sampling. There will never be a replacement for the human element in music. Music is too much of a personal experience, like the way a song can transport you back to a specific time in your life in a heart beat. Keep on, keepin on, and writing the next time machine. You Rock!
A month ago I'd have just shrugged my shoulders at the idea. But recently someone I am extremely close to and collaborated with online passed away very unexpectedly. I was in shock and couldn't figure out how to process what I was feeling in a way that felt satisfying. I write, I do graphics work and some 3D rendering, I do website design... I love music. I can only 'kinda' play guitar and couldn't confidently write a song and record it. So I wrote a poem. The poem was personal and would have been cool to post all by itself but, I was researching different ways to make 'just a poem' stand out. So I accidentally figured out the process you explained here. I took my poem, extended it and handed it over to AI on one of those free sites that gives you like 25 renditions in a day. I regenerated it for two days until one version it came up with made me stop and listen. Actually made me tear up. So I spent the next couple of days adding lyrics and telling it to "extend" the song over and over until I got the parts I needed to make it sound like it should based on what I felt. Audio production I can do as a hobby so, I set to work editing and the final version ended out being posted, with the lyrics instead of the original poem. I can't create music, it's not a talent I have or have ever nurtured. But this one time, I created a song that came from me...with a little help. I'm taking that as a win ;) - Awesome video! Thank you for sharing it as I know there are mixed feelings on this topic, rightfully so. In my case, it enabled me to create something that was meaningful in a way I had never thought possible.
Go human go!!! The emotion rings through! Good song played and sung by you. Thanks for your honesty 🎶
You can imagine yourself standing in a dark room with other people you can't really see, though you know they are there. All of you are staring at a terrifying, ghostly, eternal marauder. He was here long before you arrived and will be here after you're gone. His name strikes fear in the hearts of all humankind. People spend half a lifetime driving him away, and then the other half searching the vast corners of the universe, begging and pleading for his return.
His name is "Change".
I am thrilled by your courage, Jonny. Continue to press the walls until they come tumbling down.
I think youre wrong when you say "it's not my song", to me it's 100% yours. And don't get me wrong, Adele's songwriters and many others have been using software for over a decade to generate the best melodies and nobody cares about that. Beautiful song bro, almost made me cry.
Did he compose the music of the song or did he just write the lyrics?
The biggest problem i have with AI is that art has always been about creativity. About using what we have in mind and create it. The joy of learning the skill amd getting better and better in expressing yourself.
What you see as a problem. I see as hope... ❤
Yeah, and to be fair, he already put in more effort than like 90% of AI users. As the saying goes, if you didn't bother writing it, I won't bother reading it.
@@Blaze6108 wonder if printing presses. Got as much hate as AI. I know light bulbs did. 😆i Subbed to you.
@@bruceschroeder9219 Printing presses got no hate just like photocopiers didn’t. Also, no one liked copying books.
Although FYI, the uncontrolled spread of printed misinformation such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is often partly credited for events like WWII and the Holocaust.
@@Blaze6108 thanks for info. Think it did something with some martin Luther . Guy.
Bravo ❤ both versions are excellent 👏thank you for highlighting this. Too many people are hung up on AI taking over, but it is a great tool for enhancing creativity.
I think you signing off on the melody is a sort of authorship. It passed through the filter of your taste and your direction.
Also those lyrics are gorgeous. Incredible work
but seriously dude...i am a professional composer and performer (more like classical experimental styles) and of course i would prefer your version 10 times out of 10. Still the fact you basically learned the music from the audio, which was ai generated, gives me creepy goose bumps. The moment the ai generated audio will start to really sound like your version, i will be seriously scared
Scared of what? Whether it sounds legitimate or not, people can still compete with it. I for one think the song sucks. I think this guy could probably do a much better job on his own.
Itdoes sound realistic though
His own revised version of it sounded better anyway. Like I said we can always compete and most people will admit when they do AI songs out of guilt anyway
You singing it brings more feelings, the depth emotions brings out can’t be created. Ai is too perfect
Thank you for this video. I loved hearing you sing it. Similarly, I feel mixed emotions about ai as a visual artist. Of course there’s the ethical concerns that we have to figure out. On the other hand, using different ai tools has reignited my creativity and ultimately led to me honing my digital design skills and starting to paint again irl. I appreciate your take on it.