More like the Jazz jackrabbit 3 of music (anybody else even understand this reference that began all the way back in the MS-DOS era of PC with a sequel in the windows 95/98 architecture era!?!?)
I had the privilege of touring with Necrophagist back in 2008. It was an awesome time, and Moe and I actually became pretty good buddies. I have this memory of him seeking me out and telling me that he was feeling cold, and if we had hoodies. We absolutely did, so I hooked him up, and said that I can go to their merch booth have any item I want. Then he invited me onto his tour bus for beers. 🤘 When I met up with him the following year, he seemed pretty dejected and burnt out. I don't think touring life is for him. If anyone is wondering, my old band was called Divinity, and we were on Nuclear Blast at the time supporting our first album: "Allegory."
he was very approachable, and very nice. He just liked to shoot the shit during his downtoime. ABout an hour or so before he was due to go onstage, I always saw him walking around and stretching his fingers and loosening his wrists.
Christian Münzner's diplomacy is as articulated as his solo's. I LOVED the way he was able to say that they didn't get along while making it clear he respected Muhammed's musical gift. He's just a fantastic human being, and a formidable musician.
Christian is a better person to interview...I get that Muhammed and a fabled third album are interesting, but Christian's body of work is more impressive. Epitaph was a collaborative work between the two guitarists really.
@@altair0800 I agree that Muhammed was the backbone of songwriting, but you're downplaying Christian's contribution. Here's a direct quote written by Christian himself: "Hey guys! I wrote ALL the solos that I played in Necro, which are the solo in Stabwound, 2nd one in Stillborn, the ones in Epitaph and Seven, the 2 trade offs with Muhammed in Only Ash and the first solo in Symbiotic. Muhammed was with me when I recorded them and would sometimes suggest changes in the phrasing and stuff if I used to overplay. I don't know why everybody thinks he wrote my solos, we play very different. Probably because he keeps telling in interviews he wrote EVERYTHING on Epitaph, which keeps annoying me. Fact is that I also wrote some of the basslines, for example on Stabwound. People never think Mustaine wrote Friedman's solos for example. I actually can't think of a band where one guitarist writes solos for the other one. If you can't write good leads yourself, you're not supposed to be a lead player in a band, at least that's my opinion."
Same, I remember waking up from troubled sleep sometime in 2010 timeframe with that interview firmly in my mind. Thinking I had somehow let the arrival of that album come and go without marking it. I jumped online and looked and looked until the sun came up, I watched the interview again a few times to try and figure out if there was a language barrier issue that I wasn't remembering but ..... nothing. I think back to that time sometimes and just google Necrophagist and .... nothing. If its over then so be it but I for one am so grateful to have been exposed to them.
He also talks about doing a side project w the drummer that for sure would happen and was a different genre altogether. I think even said would continue always writing necro stuff too ha
It's almost suspicious to me that these BMW guys don't want to be filmed... almost like they have something to hide. Perhaps BMW doesn't want us to hear the new Necrophagist album?
You'd be surprised how ridiculously secretive these car companies are. One of my best friends is also an engineer at Jaguar-Land Rover and he told me that once he was scolded for taking a photo because literally hundreds of meters away some parts of a yet to be released model was "visible". Even inside the company there a strict clearance levels as if they are the Pentagon or something like that.
This is so epic, I applaud you efforts. Every time I listen to Necrophagist I think that if anyone could find Muhammed and get him on a podcast it would break the tech death section of the internet
@@proxy8918 Would be funny if you check in every 6 months... "calc I done"... "calc ii done" ... "calc iii done" ... "physics 3 done" .... etc etc, we can watch your baby steps to interning at BMW
As someone who met and hung out with Muhammed all day in 2006 in San Francisco along with members of Cattle Decapitation and Neuraxis, I can tell you that Muhammed was a very nice guy, he signed all of our stuff, allowed me and my friend show him the city, and even gave us his first concert worn Necrophagist tee. That day in typical SF fashion, their tour van got broken into and I found myself stuck in traffic with a pissed off Muhammed in a van for over an hour. All things considered, he was super cool. A memory I will never forget.
During the last seconds of the video I thought that Muhammed would appear out of nowhere to say something like "do you want to know what happened to Necrophagist? Wait for the next video."
Too much dopamine-drip YT content. This didn't cross my mind after the logical reasoning of witnessing him being totally shut down all day, for 2 days, by BMW employees.
I used to listen to their 'Necrophagist' tape a lot around 95' since I grew up in Baden-Baden, played in bands myself, when a friend one day played the tape 'Necrophagist' in his car. It blew my mind at the time. Then I saw Necrophagist live at the old "Jube" in Baden-Baden where they played with a band called 'Forlorn Hope' which I eventually joined a few years later. Raphael Kempermann was Necrophagists drummer at the time and the brutality of their metal and that precision blew my mind. When a friend of mine, Daniel Silva, who also played drums at Forlorn Hope for a while, joined Necrophagist, he one day invited me to their rehearsal in the basement of the old "Jube". The approach to rehearsing their songs was remarkable and nothing I had ever experienced in my bands. It explains why a lot of musicians, even if they are the absolute top-tier, might get exhausted after a while. Precision and demand for 100% focus explain it best. Muhammed would break down parts to rehearse, set a tempo on a metronome, and 'go', over and over again. Then interrupt again, make a comment (sometimes quite snappy), and repeat. Don't get me wrong. I admired the dedication and professionalism at the time but it's an approach you have to love. Needless to say, sitting right in front of Mohammed and their bass player and watching them warm up and rehearse made me feel like I was at 'toddler level' on my instrument. :D Around 98 or 99 I then got the chance to Co-Produce one song on a sampler of Raphael Kempermann's band who ironically had switched to composing and singing Hip-Hop. Very nice guy and also dedicated and focussed personality but I could see how someone like him would burn out in a Necrophagist environment. We've all seen interviews of Marco Minnemann and he fits the profile. Top tier musician and talent, but also the nicest guy and had so much more to explore.
the fact u got an interview with Christian is so fucking cool. Ive never listened to necrophagist, but I watch all of your videos, and im also a huge fan of obscura, especially their album with him so, its just awesome you got an interview with him, glad I've been subbed for so long
@@sixstringtv1 did you happen to ask him any obscura related questions? not sure what i would ask him but i know you would have some good questions, if u did happen to ask any
I played drums for Malevolent Creation on that Bolt Thrower tour. We shared a bus and lived with the Necro guys for 7 weeks. I watched them every single night of the tour as back then, the music blew my mind. Needless to say, I recall quite a bit of friction between Christian, Hannes and Muhammad. The bass player Stefan was neutral with everyone. Christian, Hannes and Stefan were a great group of guys and they played phenomenally every night. Very hard working. I didn’t get along with Muhammad very well either lol…and I even remember a day or 2 where he wanted to kick my ass for whatever reason. I was also a young punk ass kid back then so I probably would’ve wanted to kick my ass too. Hannes and Christian have really built themselves into incredible players and inspirational figures over the years. I wish them all nothing but the best.
Don't want to prod but would love to hear more about this friction and Muhammad's personality I assume he was the type who wanted things his way all the time.
@@TidesofWarHighlights I guess it is somewhat similar to how Chuck Schuldiner ran Death. They're both exceptional musicians with a very clear vision, and judging by their work, their insistence in control isn't entirely uncalled for.
@@sebastianahrens2385 I'm a musician too, and exactly like them...when your music is your life, you don't make compromises. Outside of my own work I tend to be on the neutral, somewhat agreeable side, but not when it comes to composing/recording/mixing/mastering lol.
I'm Turkish, and Muhammed's parents are originally from eastern black sea region of Turkey. People from that region are infamous for being hot tempered. So I'm not surprised to hear that he was hot tempered, he probably grow in an environment like that, like hot tempered father, uncles, etc.
I'm a journalist and have reached out to Muhammed through his publicist at Relapse Records. He's not interested in talking. Maybe "when the new album is out," haha. Great investigative video, though!
Can you provide any more information? Obviously not names or anything, but any reason WHY he doesn't want to? Is he just uninterested in communicating about it? Completely uninterested in music now? So many questions 😢😢 haha.
really? I saw them live probably 6 times and every time it was like listening to a fucking typewriter. Their live mix was constantly shit. All you could hear where vocals and Hannes's kicks... It was a little bit better with Marco, but still took 5-6 songs into the set for the sound guy to kinda figure it out so you could hear the guitars a little bit... but yeah, most sound guys at most venues don't know how to mix metal shows. 99% of the time it's all vocals and kicks like it's a hip hop show.
If someone like him wanted to be found, he would make an appearance. Maybe he doesn't care anymore for music, life gets in the way and you wake up and realize you hate it for one reason or another. If anything you probably left Munich and some security guy went into his office and laughed saying they were trying to find him again and he just laughed it off and went and ate a sandwich and drove home.
Thank you so much for conducting the interview with Christian Muenzner, trying to find Muhammed at BMW and uploading this for us Necrophagist fans to see. Muhammed may not be found but reading/watching interviews from Christian and Hannes about their time in the band is gold. For me it's like Steve Winwood talk about how he worked with Jimi Hendrix back in 1968. A few months ago, someone had commented on a TH-cam video that is Necrophagist related. The individual claimed that he is Muhammed's friend and that he lived down the street from him. He (the individual) stated that once in while, Muhammed picks up his guitar and plays but had no intention of getting back into the music business. If I could remember/find the exact Necro TH-cam video where I read those comments, I would point them out to you so maybe you could get any info from that individual about Muhammed but I simply can't remember which video is was because I watch a lot of Necro TH-cam videos.
Awesome job ! The interview with Christian really is an exclusive piece of information, glad to learn form him. And nice attempt at trying to find him in Munich even though it was not successful.
I saw Muhammad at a Wintersun show in Anaheim California in 2013. I recognized him just randomly hanging out by the bar. He was very nice, I gave him my bands first record we had released the year before. I think I made a joke about his third album being released in 2049, he thought that was funny and just didn’t seem to care about releasing anything- when I asked why he was there he said that he was living in CA with his girlfriend. It’s interesting he still goes to metal shows and just kinda hangs out. I understand his disposition though, I feel like with my band I accomplished everything I wanted to as a composer, and though our fans would love another record, I don’t actually need to release more music
@puffballbk2186 I've listened to just about everything tech deth has to offer on top of learning a lot of it on guitar. I really do like Michael Keene solos and pretty much anything involving Danny Tunker or Christian Muenzner. Dave Davidson and Brandon Ellis have some amazing solos as well but I just love that neoclassical evil sounding Muhammad Suicmez solo
I spotted Muhammed backstage at Brutal Assault 2019, same festival mentioned in the video. I was playing there with Wormed and he was one of the first people we recognized when we arrived. We all went "wait, is that the dude from Necrophagist? Are they playing or something?" All he seemed to do for the entirety of the festival was hang out in the backstage area, cause I saw him every time I went there lol
Algorithm brought me here, first of thanks for a great video. Second of all, I learned about this band through this video, and I just finished listening to the album called “Epitaph”. Holy cow I’m completely blown away. Once in a while I find a band that stands out to me in a very very good way. Awesome music love the melodic aspects so much
I bought a peavy cab off of Vogg when they were touring through WI in 2007. I think they were in Greenbay and a friend that was playing the show with them shot me message saying he had a beat up peavy cab he wanted to get rid of for $100. Of course, I drove 3 hours to get it and chill. Worth it.
I recorded Bass for a german death metal band (Deadborn) back in autumn 2011 with Christoph Brandes at Iguana Studios. Of course I asked about Necrophagist material too :-D Back then he told me Necrophagist had indeed recorded a few new songs (I think 2 or 3?) there and that Muhammed was quite a perfectionist and wasn't 100% happy with it yet. I never heard anything of the actual recordings though. Anyway, super interesting how a band can have THAT big impact on a genre and just disappear never to be heard from again.
I think we think artists need to live, breathe and die their art, but I think it's interesting when you have an artist who burns brightly for a short time and is happy. It seems like maybe he's living the life he wants to. He put out legendary music, now maybe he's focusing on other things, a family, his career, who knows?
wow man thank you so much for putting that much time and effort in trying to find the man himself and answers to the rumors! I met Muhammed during the Summer Slaughter tours dates in Toronto Canada back in 2007 and 2008. He was super nice and very humble. Please don't give up on this documentary!! Keep putting the word out here and hopefully someone will know someone and the universe will will open a path for you to meet him
And what about leaving him, and respect his retirement ? I really want to listen this third album, but beyond, there’s just a man that seems to turn the page of music. Please respect him.
I can see how having to play those songs every day would burn you out. Every one of those songs requires non stop practice every day. Imagine the burden of having to play a 8 - 10 song set of Necrophagist songs on tour live every other night. Also because the songs are so technical Everyone is watching to see if you mess up. Im just happy that we still have two Necrophagist albums that we can always go back to. Great video man
Muhammad was an AI robot built by BMW Munich and sent back in time to create the best death metal band and disappear into oblivion to divide the metal masses, we must reunite to bring him back from the past
i am a HUGE necrophagist fan, their albums blew me away as a young kid and cemented my taste in metal for life, but there is something so special about releasing two near perfect albums and moving on. I dont think we will ever know about mohammed, nor will we get a third album, but im glad we got peak tier technical death metal before the advent of overly digital, amp sim recording.
I think my favourite part was that, after driving 6 hours to Munich, you almost instantly realised that you probably wouldn't just be able to ask a random employee if he worked there due to date protection/security reasons. Still, a damn solid effort man. Hope part two goes a little better.
@salottin right?, he and his guest both kept dissing the man throughout the video and called the rest of the members useless towards the end wtf 🤷♂️🤦♂️
You know what would have been funny? Having Suiçmez bump into you during that outro, you having a Necrophagist shirt and him saying "Oops sorry man... cool shirt!" and he walked away
great segment! The interview with Christian was really good. I liked the 'investigative' aspect a lot and you picked up some nice techniques of documentary film making. I'll definitely be back for the sequel!
I was fortunate enough to see them perform on that Summer Slaughter '09 tour. They sounded just as good if not better than their recordings. Super tight and brutal. I wish they would've kept going but they're legends now.
Interesting video, especially the interview with Christian Münzner! I've conducted my own research and asked a friend who works there, if he can find out if there's any person employed named Muhammed Suicmez. The answer was no, he couldnt find him on any internal communication list or mail server. He might still work for BMW but at an engineering contractor providing engineering services. Who knows.
he's a contracted engineer now, my dad works for bmw uk and has met Muhammad I thought it was hilarious when he showed me the photo from the Christmas party with him in it "dad do you realise who that guy is?" after much laughter.
I seen them with hannes and Marco. I remember being annoyed that Marco didn't play it the same. It didn't have the same tightness as the other times I've seen them. Met everyone but Muhammad after a show in Wisconsin. They were doing their own merch table I was too scared to ask for autograph. But I do have Muhammads guitar pick :) and i recorded the whole show from front row. My friend posted one track and it can be found by looking up ignominious and pale. Madison WI \m/
I was re watching your first BC Rich video this morning. Crazy seeing how for you've come. Not that your early videos were bad but you've improved so much
I met Muhammed around 2002 or 2003 at a Suffocation show, it was the tour where Terrance couldn't come to Germany for visa reasons, Muhammed told me that he was supposed to fill in for him, but it didn't work out for some reasons, he worked pretty confused during the conversation, I hope he's okay
As much as I want a new Necrophagist album I quite like the mystery surrounding Muhammed, he was such a genius on the guitar I just imagine him living in the mountains somewhere as a monk
I'ts totally understandable desiring isolation, I mean that's what I can say as an isolated living being, but if only he could say just 'hi, I'm alive and I dont make music anymore''. I would be heavenly releaved.
Necrophagist was one of those bands that represented a before and after in their subgenre and I doubt we will see another band like them any time soon. It's a shame that the perfectionism and dedication that made it the cult band it was, was also probably the main factor of its downfall.... yet I refuse to lose hope, that 3rd album could drop at any moment and I will be ready if it happens
Thumbs up for putting a lot of effort into this video. I once met Muhammed after a concert in 2006 and quickly shook his hand. Also had nice little chat with Christian, who was very nice.
I'm quite relentless with learning things on guitar, i learned meshuggahs bleed after 6 months with an 8 string but necrophagist even after 10 or so years is just so high a level i dont think it falls under the "enough time and effort you will get it" hahahah
I feel you. I still remember loading their songs in Guitar Pro and just thinking WTF at the solos. It was Alexi, Suicimez and Jeff Loomis who make me feel useless at arpgeggios. I'm still trying 15 years later LOL. That's when I knew to focus on riffing and alternate picking instead of sweeps that I'll never get down cleanly.
@@simonp9471its funny how different we as a people are in our proficiencies, I was gifted on arpeggios from the get go but riffing something like Bleed takes major effort
@@TsobeI’m the exact opposite 💀. I’m not good at soloing but I focus most if not all of my time on rhythmic playing for song from bands like Meshuggah, Periphery, Monuments, and Gojira
@@fajaradi1223 well if there’s something dead but it’s eating itself alive and I’m being tasked with keeping it alive like what should I do just kill it??
whats really sad is that the third album was basically done and its just sitting there rotting away never to be heard, like the music actually fucking exists and we will never hear it.
I will hear it at some point. I'm not gonna die without hearing this album even if it means I'm gonna have to hack into muhammeds computer and download the files😂
I feel very fortunate because I saw them on a gig in Spain, and I have a picture with Muhammad, Hannes and Samy. I also bought an Epitaph copy and they signed it gently for me. I was like in heaven and enjoyed very much the show. The became one of my favourites and still are, Epitaph is an absolutely masterpiece every way, and even nowadays sounds like that. Pure gold. I wish some day they reunite and make a gig or something like that. Thanks for the video and your efforts in finding Muhammad!! It was surprising to find an interview with Christian 😍
I like your anecdote (and all the other anecdotes in this comment thread) I envy you all for having seen them Live. But I gotta know... How do one sign an album gently? 😂😉 Was it done with canadian goose feathers and ink? Or signed normally but with a gentle song accompanied? 😉
Man I really applaud your effort. Hopefully somehow MS will catch wind of this video and will consider reaching out to you for an interview. He's really become a unicorn of the metal world, so funny. \m/
I randomly saw him at a Wintersun show back in 2013 in LA and everyone was too intimidated to talk to him. At the time we still had hope for a new album so I didn't really think anything of it, major regret not trying to talk to him.
Me and my now wife were going to see them back in 2007 for the Carving Europe's Epitaph 2. We had little money cause of stray jobs and full time study so we saved up. Bought stuff for long travel and stay, got reservations for trains, tickets and hotel nights. Left notice at school and jobs of our absence and such. 5-6 days before the show, it got cancelled. Didn't get any money back for any reservation. The money loss was frustrating but nothing beats the frustration of being so close to see them live and year by year never getting the chance again. The frustration lives on. If you can read this Muhammed: We don't blame you and we never will. Long live Necrophagist
I actually prefer the original version of Onset personally- it sounds more jagged and mechanical. It's funny how big of an impact Guitar Pro and Necrophagist had on the underground metal world in the early 2000s; we used to use Guitar Pro for everything too. I believe the cabinet on Epitaph was actually an old black 80s Laney cabinet with a metal grille, mic'ed with an SM57 really far towards the edge of the speaker for a warm, spongy sound. I remember a photo on their old site with a title like "57 kisses Laney" specifically because I used to use the same cabinet. I'm really grateful to have seen Necrophagist twice and met the guys in the band- I really hope they come back someday. They basically made the blueprint for modern technical extreme metal
Muhammed was a post grad at an institute I took lectures from (actually every mechanical engineer who studied in Karlsruhe did and does, the IPEK is a central institute for mechanical engineering at KIT). Later it was said that he left for a good job in industry. My guess is that he's just living his life and isn't interested enough to produce the new album.
Got the chance to see Necrophagist at Summer Slaughter in Albany in 2008. At the time I was friends with the owner of the club, so we hung around after to talk. About half hour after their set and after the club was empty, Muhammed came out from backstage and we got a chance to talk to him a little while over beers. My friend was a big Marco Minnemann fan, so he asked Muhammed why he was out of the band, and he said Marco was really talented, creative technical player but the material for the new album had faster double bass he had trouble playing, so they found Romain who was brought in to play on the new album. From what he said at the time, considerable amount of the music was written.
I was at summer slaughter 2009. There was no new album!!! Lol killer show though. I chatted with all the necrophagist guys, near their bus. Super kind and friendly. They really do appreciate their fans.
@@piptyson5512 They may have… I can’t speak for certainty. If I’m remembering correctly, the tour coincided with the time Ibanez had released Muhammed‘s guitar design as the Xyphos, so there could be a very real chance that they had seven string versions as well on that tour.
@@sauce_aux Yeah it seems like there was an old grainy video like 15 years ago of them with the 7 string Xyphos, tuned to A I believe. A song name just popped in my head....Dawn of Demise? Or some shit like that lol. Damn would love to hear what that forgotten hard drive has on it.
The rumor for a long time was that the record label (was it Nuclear Blast?) did Muhammed really dirty, and out of spite, he held the album back. Then, after so many years, he just said “fuck it” and gave up. I have no way of knowing if this is true or not. I only have 2 ideas where you can follow this further: 1) write a letter to BMW corporate, ask them directly. Tell them you fully understand their employees right to privacy, but that this man im was an artist, who’s work touched many lives, and you’d like the opportunity to reach out and thank him for that. Tell them to simply ask the man if he’d be willing to have a conversation with you, and, if the answer is no, they can just deny his very existence. No harm no foul. 2) write to their (presumably former) record label. You can still get officially licensed Necrophagist shirts and such - I just ordered one last year. Therefore Muhammed is POSSIBLY (hopefully) still seeing checks from them, therefore they must know where he is. Try a similar spiel as my idea for BMW corporate, and hope for the best. It’s been almost 20 years since Epitaph came out. Perhaps Muhammed is starting to feel a little nostalgic. Perhaps, just maybe, he’s finally ready to talk, if only to reminisce about past glory. Good luck to you, and please keep us updated. DO NOT GIVE UP.
@@lewisb85"about his former life" haha, what? it's not like he was a pornstar or an Adolf sympathizer. he played guitar in a band and toured the world, lol
Thank you very much for this Doc This was the first time I ever saw an interview with Christian, he’s a phenomenal player and really nice guy, I always felt like Obscura was the successor to Necrophagist. I really hope you will be able to find Mohammed one day and have the interview you were looking for.
Damn some of the BMW employees were rude… You know who is not rude? Me, when I‘m trying to teach you speedpicking… So you better check the link in the description box :P
BMW: shit employees, shit product. Checks out. Speculating… He may have worked there for a period but if he’s really a skilled automotive engineer there’s so many opportunities available other than BMW…
I was lucky enough to play in a band that opened for Necrophagist back in 2006 or so. We already knew the band's music going in, but we were still mesmerized by how insanely good they were live
Maybe you can try getting ahold of later members of the band like Marco or Sami. People of similar musical approaches who might still be on friendly terms with him.
This was a great watch. Hearing from Christian was super interesting, and that drive to Munich earned a sub. Great effort man! Hope you eventually get a promising lead.
No surprise the guy was difficult to be around, still an insane composer. I do hope one day he'll release the third album, live versions of Dawn and Demise sounded so promising and I want to hear the album version. I'm not holding my breath for it anymore though.
Hey great video, Christian seems like a cool and very respectful guy, kudos to him. And of course to you for taking on a 12 hour drive just for your "documentary", speaking of, it has been a bit since this video came out, any progress since then, perhaps you have talked to some other band members. Would be really awesome if, you gave an update. Keep up the good work! 🤘
OMG YESSS! I'm a 50 year old black man and amateur guitarist who's been into metal since I was 14 and I discovered necro like just less than a year ago and I see necro goes back like 16 YEARS 😳 I'm now realizing and hearing the the change in sound and style in thrash metal is probably due to THEM! Amazing compositions 👍🏿
I first heard the music of a band called Necrophagist in 2019, and they immediately became one of my favorite bands. Sadly, however, there has already been no activity since 2008 and little news has been heard of Muhammad. Therefore, I am so glad to hear news from this. I'm eager to see him and his band back in action.
I was fortunate enough to see them open for Cannibal Corpse in Denver around... idk... like 2005-2006. Dying Fetus was there also and I picked up a Cannibal Hockey Jersey. Dude, the only merch Necrophagist had was a tab book for Epitaph and you better believe I walked out of there with that shit. They were AMAZING live! If he didn't want to be found, I guess I'm glad you didn't find him because much respect. I hope whatever he's doing now fulfills him.
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Necrophagist third album is the Half Life 3 of music
The winds of winter of music
HL2 and Epitaph released the same year! Except we did eventually get Half-life: Alyx, so Valve is in fact more reliable then these bands 🤣
lmao
More like the Jazz jackrabbit 3 of music (anybody else even understand this reference that began all the way back in the MS-DOS era of PC with a sequel in the windows 95/98 architecture era!?!?)
And tf3
We should leave the man alone, also break into his house and steal the mighty necrodrive 😭😭
Based and diminished pilled
Diminished To (E:)
if Mohammed has another "Diminished to..." song on the necrodrive, but its not as good as Dimished to B, would you call that diminishing returns?
The NECRODRIVE…. That’s awesome 👏
No, that's illegal! ...Lets do it!!!
Slightly ironic that a band with a main theme of death and mortality would have a Muhammed and a Christian as their song writers.
Just thought about that💀 WTF are the chance
You know I never really thought about it that 😂
it is funny isn't it :D
Im a Christian in a death metal band🗣️
Bible and koran are filled to the brim with deaths
It's incredible that after 19 years after their last album, we are still talking about Necrophagist. 💕
This is the undeniable proof that Necrophagist is immortal, because it touched so many people.
its good but not that good, beneath the massacre is much better@@MrShadowflasher
@@MetalDeathHead this is an incorrect opinion
No its not, BTM is much better in every way, necrophagist isnt even technical in comparison.@@athraxis
@@MetalDeathHead lol
I had the privilege of touring with Necrophagist back in 2008. It was an awesome time, and Moe and I actually became pretty good buddies. I have this memory of him seeking me out and telling me that he was feeling cold, and if we had hoodies. We absolutely did, so I hooked him up, and said that I can go to their merch booth have any item I want. Then he invited me onto his tour bus for beers. 🤘
When I met up with him the following year, he seemed pretty dejected and burnt out. I don't think touring life is for him.
If anyone is wondering, my old band was called Divinity, and we were on Nuclear Blast at the time supporting our first album: "Allegory."
Allegory is very good
What was his personality like?
@@lucasmiguel4734 Many thanks.
he was very approachable, and very nice. He just liked to shoot the shit during his downtoime. ABout an hour or so before he was due to go onstage, I always saw him walking around and stretching his fingers and loosening his wrists.
Hey Nick! I was FOH with them and toured with you as well back then. Hope all is well!
Christian Münzner's diplomacy is as articulated as his solo's.
I LOVED the way he was able to say that they didn't get along while making it clear he respected Muhammed's musical gift.
He's just a fantastic human being, and a formidable musician.
Christian is a better person to interview...I get that Muhammed and a fabled third album are interesting, but Christian's body of work is more impressive. Epitaph was a collaborative work between the two guitarists really.
@@joelbennett9014 not really, considering Muhammed wrote it all on his own
@@altair0800 He did not write the entirety of Epitaph...did you not even just listen to what Christian said in the interview you're commenting on?
They co-wrote one song at the end, for me I would still consider it Muhammad’s creation.
@@altair0800 I agree that Muhammed was the backbone of songwriting, but you're downplaying Christian's contribution. Here's a direct quote written by Christian himself:
"Hey guys! I wrote ALL the solos that I played in Necro, which are the solo in Stabwound, 2nd one in Stillborn, the ones in Epitaph and Seven, the 2 trade offs with Muhammed in Only Ash and the first solo in Symbiotic.
Muhammed was with me when I recorded them and would sometimes suggest changes in the phrasing and stuff if I used to overplay. I don't know why everybody thinks he wrote my solos, we play very different. Probably because he keeps telling in interviews he wrote EVERYTHING on Epitaph, which keeps annoying me. Fact is that I also wrote some of the basslines, for example on Stabwound. People never think Mustaine wrote Friedman's solos for example. I actually can't think of a band where one guitarist writes solos for the other one. If you can't write good leads yourself, you're not supposed to be a lead player in a band, at least that's my opinion."
That interview where he states the new album should release in 2009 has haunted me for years and years
Enough to make a grown man cry
Same, I remember waking up from troubled sleep sometime in 2010 timeframe with that interview firmly in my mind. Thinking I had somehow let the arrival of that album come and go without marking it. I jumped online and looked and looked until the sun came up, I watched the interview again a few times to try and figure out if there was a language barrier issue that I wasn't remembering but ..... nothing. I think back to that time sometimes and just google Necrophagist and .... nothing. If its over then so be it but I for one am so grateful to have been exposed to them.
Espero no morir y nunca saber que si se publico el album...
He also talks about doing a side project w the drummer that for sure would happen and was a different genre altogether. I think even said would continue always writing necro stuff too ha
Same...
It's almost suspicious to me that these BMW guys don't want to be filmed... almost like they have something to hide. Perhaps BMW doesn't want us to hear the new Necrophagist album?
They did this.
We need to teach them a lesson
what if BMW holds Mohammed hostage in their office and forces him to play music for them all the time
the album is kept in a vault in hidden at BMW headquarters. you need to storm the headquarters, Muhammad is the final boss that you have to fight.
You'd be surprised how ridiculously secretive these car companies are. One of my best friends is also an engineer at Jaguar-Land Rover and he told me that once he was scolded for taking a photo because literally hundreds of meters away some parts of a yet to be released model was "visible". Even inside the company there a strict clearance levels as if they are the Pentagon or something like that.
I love how Christian just has a habit of being in some of the best tech death bands. Spawn of Possession, Necrophagist, Obscura, etc.
i love that you said some of the best tech death bands and then named all of my favorite tech death bands
@@astrmedeus36 they’re all of my favorites too lol.
Broken heart with necrophagist and spawn
Both is over😂😂😂
He is in the best, but all he actually want to do is just power metal 😅
Don't forget about Alkaloid, they're my favourite
This is so epic, I applaud you efforts. Every time I listen to Necrophagist I think that if anyone could find Muhammed and get him on a podcast it would break the tech death section of the internet
I will be that guy.
@@sixstringtv1 I'm rooting for you, that would be so sick
It would be sick. He gave us such amazing music, it would be great to hear from him. I hope he knows how appreciated he is.
@@sixstringtv1Go, brother!🤘
@@sixstringtv1do you have private investigators in Germany? I don’t have any other ideas lmao
my guy drove 12 hours for a segment in his video, that's freaking dedication right there.
The GAS MONEY bro, buy a shirt or sign up for Justin's course 🤣
probably stopped for a Weisswurst and a Mass, too. That evens out
Bavarians put cumin in their sausage, I'd rather chew my own cud.
@@sixstringtv1 to each their own. But there's no cumin in Weisswurst, just a bit of parsley.
@@sixstringtv1Weißwurst doesn't have any noticeable cumin taste
At this point, somebody will just have to become an engineer at BMW to find him.
That´s just what I thought haha :D
I'm on it chief
@@proxy8918 Godspeed, lad
@@proxy8918 report back on the success or failure of your enterprise, please.
@@proxy8918 Would be funny if you check in every 6 months... "calc I done"... "calc ii done" ... "calc iii done" ... "physics 3 done" .... etc etc, we can watch your baby steps to interning at BMW
As someone who met and hung out with Muhammed all day in 2006 in San Francisco along with members of Cattle Decapitation and Neuraxis, I can tell you that Muhammed was a very nice guy, he signed all of our stuff, allowed me and my friend show him the city, and even gave us his first concert worn Necrophagist tee. That day in typical SF fashion, their tour van got broken into and I found myself stuck in traffic with a pissed off Muhammed in a van for over an hour. All things considered, he was super cool. A memory I will never forget.
As someone who met him casually, did you catch any hints of him being a control-freak, or any sense of why ppl say he’s so hard to work with?
His main amp got stolen when that van got broken into, which explains why he was pissed
@@dudeguyman27Holy what?! His ENGL?
During the last seconds of the video I thought that Muhammed would appear out of nowhere to say something like "do you want to know what happened to Necrophagist? Wait for the next video."
I swear I thought exactly the same
I was hoping desperately for this, I would’ve stood up in my chair and applauded
I thought he was going to casually walk past in the background eating a donut…
Too much dopamine-drip YT content. This didn't cross my mind after the logical reasoning of witnessing him being totally shut down all day, for 2 days, by BMW employees.
I was thinking that Muhammed would appear in the back. Like riding the bus or walking eating an ice cream or drinking coffe.
I used to listen to their 'Necrophagist' tape a lot around 95' since I grew up in Baden-Baden, played in bands myself, when a friend one day played the tape 'Necrophagist' in his car. It blew my mind at the time.
Then I saw Necrophagist live at the old "Jube" in Baden-Baden where they played with a band called 'Forlorn Hope' which I eventually joined a few years later. Raphael Kempermann was Necrophagists drummer at the time and the brutality of their metal and that precision blew my mind.
When a friend of mine, Daniel Silva, who also played drums at Forlorn Hope for a while, joined Necrophagist, he one day invited me to their rehearsal in the basement of the old "Jube". The approach to rehearsing their songs was remarkable and nothing I had ever experienced in my bands. It explains why a lot of musicians, even if they are the absolute top-tier, might get exhausted after a while. Precision and demand for 100% focus explain it best. Muhammed would break down parts to rehearse, set a tempo on a metronome, and 'go', over and over again. Then interrupt again, make a comment (sometimes quite snappy), and repeat. Don't get me wrong. I admired the dedication and professionalism at the time but it's an approach you have to love. Needless to say, sitting right in front of Mohammed and their bass player and watching them warm up and rehearse made me feel like I was at 'toddler level' on my instrument. :D
Around 98 or 99 I then got the chance to Co-Produce one song on a sampler of Raphael Kempermann's band who ironically had switched to composing and singing Hip-Hop. Very nice guy and also dedicated and focussed personality but I could see how someone like him would burn out in a Necrophagist environment.
We've all seen interviews of Marco Minnemann and he fits the profile. Top tier musician and talent, but also the nicest guy and had so much more to explore.
the fact u got an interview with Christian is so fucking cool. Ive never listened to necrophagist, but I watch all of your videos, and im also a huge fan of obscura, especially their album with him so, its just awesome you got an interview with him, glad I've been subbed for so long
Hahah, I told him off camera what a big Obscura fan I am.
Super chill guy!
@@sixstringtv1 did you happen to ask him any obscura related questions? not sure what i would ask him but i know you would have some good questions, if u did happen to ask any
I played drums for Malevolent Creation on that Bolt Thrower tour. We shared a bus and lived with the Necro guys for 7 weeks. I watched them every single night of the tour as back then, the music blew my mind. Needless to say, I recall quite a bit of friction between Christian, Hannes and Muhammad. The bass player Stefan was neutral with everyone. Christian, Hannes and Stefan were a great group of guys and they played phenomenally every night. Very hard working. I didn’t get along with Muhammad very well either lol…and I even remember a day or 2 where he wanted to kick my ass for whatever reason. I was also a young punk ass kid back then so I probably would’ve wanted to kick my ass too. Hannes and Christian have really built themselves into incredible players and inspirational figures over the years. I wish them all nothing but the best.
Don't want to prod but would love to hear more about this friction and Muhammad's personality I assume he was the type who wanted things his way all the time.
yo your band is/was dope, one of the bands that got me into death metal years and years back
@@TidesofWarHighlights I guess it is somewhat similar to how Chuck Schuldiner ran Death. They're both exceptional musicians with a very clear vision, and judging by their work, their insistence in control isn't entirely uncalled for.
@@sebastianahrens2385 I'm a musician too, and exactly like them...when your music is your life, you don't make compromises. Outside of my own work I tend to be on the neutral, somewhat agreeable side, but not when it comes to composing/recording/mixing/mastering lol.
I'm Turkish, and Muhammed's parents are originally from eastern black sea region of Turkey. People from that region are infamous for being hot tempered. So I'm not surprised to hear that he was hot tempered, he probably grow in an environment like that, like hot tempered father, uncles, etc.
I'm a journalist and have reached out to Muhammed through his publicist at Relapse Records. He's not interested in talking. Maybe "when the new album is out," haha. Great investigative video, though!
Can you provide any more information? Obviously not names or anything, but any reason WHY he doesn't want to? Is he just uninterested in communicating about it? Completely uninterested in music now? So many questions 😢😢 haha.
@@gummybearbastard that's all I know, haha.
İn turkish “suiçmez” means “he does not drink water”
Does it actually 😭
@@sixstringtv1I was told it means "eroticland euuhh porno cinema for magazine store"
Saw them live in 07, probably the most tight and unbelievably amazing metal band I've ever seen play.
Same, I saw them at The Rave (the basement of the Eagle's Club in Milwaukee, Wisconsin). I agree with you 100 percent.
Me too, in Cleveland for summer slaughter.
I still have the tour shirt !
really? I saw them live probably 6 times and every time it was like listening to a fucking typewriter. Their live mix was constantly shit. All you could hear where vocals and Hannes's kicks... It was a little bit better with Marco, but still took 5-6 songs into the set for the sound guy to kinda figure it out so you could hear the guitars a little bit... but yeah, most sound guys at most venues don't know how to mix metal shows. 99% of the time it's all vocals and kicks like it's a hip hop show.
Summer slaughter? that was the first year of that tour. they had Marco Minnemann on drums and he did a solo every show. So glad I got to see them.
If someone like him wanted to be found, he would make an appearance. Maybe he doesn't care anymore for music, life gets in the way and you wake up and realize you hate it for one reason or another. If anything you probably left Munich and some security guy went into his office and laughed saying they were trying to find him again and he just laughed it off and went and ate a sandwich and drove home.
Thank you so much for conducting the interview with Christian Muenzner, trying to find Muhammed at BMW and uploading this for us Necrophagist fans to see. Muhammed may not be found but reading/watching interviews from Christian and Hannes about their time in the band is gold. For me it's like Steve Winwood talk about how he worked with Jimi Hendrix back in 1968.
A few months ago, someone had commented on a TH-cam video that is Necrophagist related. The individual claimed that he is Muhammed's friend and that he lived down the street from him. He (the individual) stated that once in while, Muhammed picks up his guitar and plays but had no intention of getting back into the music business. If I could remember/find the exact Necro TH-cam video where I read those comments, I would point them out to you so maybe you could get any info from that individual about Muhammed but I simply can't remember which video is was because I watch a lot of Necro TH-cam videos.
Christian is one of the coolest guitarists in the scene IMO
He has an unfortunate name.
He was very honest, very articulate.
Not from my personal experience, He blows hot and cold
@@sinistermephisto65 you knew him? 🫨
@@mikemakar2326Mohammed is even more unfortunate
Awesome job ! The interview with Christian really is an exclusive piece of information, glad to learn form him. And nice attempt at trying to find him in Munich even though it was not successful.
I saw Muhammad at a Wintersun show in Anaheim California in 2013. I recognized him just randomly hanging out by the bar. He was very nice, I gave him my bands first record we had released the year before. I think I made a joke about his third album being released in 2049, he thought that was funny and just didn’t seem to care about releasing anything- when I asked why he was there he said that he was living in CA with his girlfriend. It’s interesting he still goes to metal shows and just kinda hangs out. I understand his disposition though, I feel like with my band I accomplished everything I wanted to as a composer, and though our fans would love another record, I don’t actually need to release more music
The solos of Necrophagist are insane, like Malmsteen had a secret Death Metal child
Best guitar solos in metal music
@@awguitarroom8033if you think that then you need to listen to more tech death lol
@puffballbk2186 I've listened to just about everything tech deth has to offer on top of learning a lot of it on guitar. I really do like Michael Keene solos and pretty much anything involving Danny Tunker or Christian Muenzner. Dave Davidson and Brandon Ellis have some amazing solos as well but I just love that neoclassical evil sounding Muhammad Suicmez solo
@puffballbk2186 my personal opinion it doesn't get much better than the solo from Advanced Corpse tumor
@@awguitarroom8033 based on memorable music or just utility skill showcase?
I spotted Muhammed backstage at Brutal Assault 2019, same festival mentioned in the video. I was playing there with Wormed and he was one of the first people we recognized when we arrived. We all went "wait, is that the dude from Necrophagist? Are they playing or something?"
All he seemed to do for the entirety of the festival was hang out in the backstage area, cause I saw him every time I went there lol
If you try to approach him, he'll vanish like a sprite.
Come back Daddy Suiçmez
Algorithm brought me here, first of thanks for a great video.
Second of all, I learned about this band through this video, and I just finished listening to the album called “Epitaph”. Holy cow I’m completely blown away. Once in a while I find a band that stands out to me in a very very good way. Awesome music love the melodic aspects so much
Epitaph is life changing 😩
Imagine how mind-blowing it was hearing it back in 2004... yes I was there 🤯
I got to see Necrophagist with the pre-accident Decapitated in 2007. Both bands were incredible and are dearly missed.
Man, Decapitated still exists and is awesome
Me too. It was so good
I bought a peavy cab off of Vogg when they were touring through WI in 2007. I think they were in Greenbay and a friend that was playing the show with them shot me message saying he had a beat up peavy cab he wanted to get rid of for $100. Of course, I drove 3 hours to get it and chill. Worth it.
Same, I was blown away by Decapitated, RIP Vitek.
Necrophagist: Drop 2 of the greatest Death Metal album of all time
Also Necrophagist: ADIOS
I recorded Bass for a german death metal band (Deadborn) back in autumn 2011 with Christoph Brandes at Iguana Studios. Of course I asked about Necrophagist material too :-D Back then he told me Necrophagist had indeed recorded a few new songs (I think 2 or 3?) there and that Muhammed was quite a perfectionist and wasn't 100% happy with it yet. I never heard anything of the actual recordings though. Anyway, super interesting how a band can have THAT big impact on a genre and just disappear never to be heard from again.
Damn man deadborn is amazing! ❤
I think we think artists need to live, breathe and die their art, but I think it's interesting when you have an artist who burns brightly for a short time and is happy. It seems like maybe he's living the life he wants to. He put out legendary music, now maybe he's focusing on other things, a family, his career, who knows?
He's just been doing side quests since 2004, or perhaps music itself was but a side quest to him 😮
wow man thank you so much for putting that much time and effort in trying to find the man himself and answers to the rumors! I met Muhammed during the Summer Slaughter tours dates in Toronto Canada back in 2007 and 2008. He was super nice and very humble. Please don't give up on this documentary!! Keep putting the word out here and hopefully someone will know someone and the universe will will open a path for you to meet him
And what about leaving him, and respect his retirement ? I really want to listen this third album, but beyond, there’s just a man that seems to turn the page of music. Please respect him.
I can see how having to play those songs every day would burn you out. Every one of those songs requires non stop practice every day. Imagine the burden of having to play a 8 - 10 song set of Necrophagist songs on tour live every other night. Also because the songs are so technical Everyone is watching to see if you mess up. Im just happy that we still have two Necrophagist albums that we can always go back to. Great video man
So Necrophagist is the answer to question "can god create a rock he cannot lift"
@@soulbrother5435 facts
I applaud your effort, awesome interview as well. I can't believe I got the pleasure to meet him at a show and take a picture with him back in 2007.
Muhammad was an AI robot built by BMW Munich and sent back in time to create the best death metal band and disappear into oblivion to divide the metal masses, we must reunite to bring him back from the past
You might be a talented fiction writer ;)
i went through puberty listening to epitaph. a third album could most certainly help me with adulthood
Pretty much the same right here. *help us find our place in adulthood* =P
i am a HUGE necrophagist fan, their albums blew me away as a young kid and cemented my taste in metal for life, but there is something so special about releasing two near perfect albums and moving on. I dont think we will ever know about mohammed, nor will we get a third album, but im glad we got peak tier technical death metal before the advent of overly digital, amp sim recording.
I think my favourite part was that, after driving 6 hours to Munich, you almost instantly realised that you probably wouldn't just be able to ask a random employee if he worked there due to date protection/security reasons.
Still, a damn solid effort man. Hope part two goes a little better.
I knew that to begin with hahah, privacy laws and work contracts at big companies are both very strict
Not sure Muhammed would ever want to talk to you after this 😅
Exactly
@salottin right?, he and his guest both kept dissing the man throughout the video and called the rest of the members useless towards the end wtf 🤷♂️🤦♂️
I think you're confused
@@Mightyatma nah
why?
You know what would have been funny? Having Suiçmez bump into you during that outro, you having a Necrophagist shirt and him saying "Oops sorry man... cool shirt!" and he walked away
Muhammed Suicmez is the Aphex twin in metal music
great segment! The interview with Christian was really good. I liked the 'investigative' aspect a lot and you picked up some nice techniques of documentary film making. I'll definitely be back for the sequel!
I was fortunate enough to see them perform on that Summer Slaughter '09 tour. They sounded just as good if not better than their recordings. Super tight and brutal. I wish they would've kept going but they're legends now.
epitaph is up there with the best metal albums ever. insane composition and execution. I love it dearly like a unique gem
For a small channel able to interview Christian Munzner is insane :D His solo album are crazy X). Apart from that, great video not gonna lie. Sub'd!
It's not about channel size, it's about who you know ;)
@@sixstringtv1 ...or how you use it :D
Okay, BMW, I will NOT buy your new 7-series until you release 3rd Necrophagist full-length!
imagine if he sees this video and just laugh
This is some top tier journalism right here
I regret not seeing them live when they came around El Paso. Such awesome music.
Hell of a show! I was there! 😁
Interesting video, especially the interview with Christian Münzner! I've conducted my own research and asked a friend who works there, if he can find out if there's any person employed named Muhammed Suicmez. The answer was no, he couldnt find him on any internal communication list or mail server. He might still work for BMW but at an engineering contractor providing engineering services. Who knows.
he's a contracted engineer now, my dad works for bmw uk and has met Muhammad I thought it was hilarious when he showed me the photo from the Christmas party with him in it "dad do you realise who that guy is?" after much laughter.
@@LewisBarrett1985so that means he is probably living in the UK now?
@@PedroHenrique-mj1mn No this was in Germany, my dad used to go back and for to the plant frequently.
As the name 'necrophagist' tells. It is translated to 'eater of the dead'. The band was somehow dead, and people still listen & enjoy (eat) the songs
Astute observation.
didn't knew Minnemann played for Necrophagist. crazy good drummer and muscian imo...
yep only live but i remember when that was big news
Yes. Check out Marco’s drumming on Ignominious & Pale (live). It’s way better than the studio version.
Half of the obscura members played for Necrophagist
I seen them with hannes and Marco. I remember being annoyed that Marco didn't play it the same. It didn't have the same tightness as the other times I've seen them. Met everyone but Muhammad after a show in Wisconsin. They were doing their own merch table I was too scared to ask for autograph. But I do have Muhammads guitar pick :) and i recorded the whole show from front row. My friend posted one track and it can be found by looking up ignominious and pale. Madison WI \m/
Instant subscription, this is so in my wheelhouse
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I was re watching your first BC Rich video this morning. Crazy seeing how for you've come. Not that your early videos were bad but you've improved so much
Oh they were definitely bad 🤣🤣
I met Muhammed around 2002 or 2003 at a Suffocation show, it was the tour where Terrance couldn't come to Germany for visa reasons, Muhammed told me that he was supposed to fill in for him, but it didn't work out for some reasons, he worked pretty confused during the conversation, I hope he's okay
As much as I want a new Necrophagist album I quite like the mystery surrounding Muhammed, he was such a genius on the guitar I just imagine him living in the mountains somewhere as a monk
I'ts totally understandable desiring isolation, I mean that's what I can say as an isolated living being, but if only he could say just 'hi, I'm alive and I dont make music anymore''. I would be heavenly releaved.
Necrophagist was one of those bands that represented a before and after in their subgenre and I doubt we will see another band like them any time soon. It's a shame that the perfectionism and dedication that made it the cult band it was, was also probably the main factor of its downfall.... yet I refuse to lose hope, that 3rd album could drop at any moment and I will be ready if it happens
Thumbs up for putting a lot of effort into this video. I once met Muhammed after a concert in 2006 and quickly shook his hand. Also had nice little chat with Christian, who was very nice.
One of the best tech-death bands to ever exist.
As a Necrophagist fan I look forward to any new video related to the topic.
I'm quite relentless with learning things on guitar, i learned meshuggahs bleed after 6 months with an 8 string but necrophagist even after 10 or so years is just so high a level i dont think it falls under the "enough time and effort you will get it" hahahah
With the right method… definitely ☺️
i can play necrophagist, but i feel like there is something i am missing for bleed...
I feel you. I still remember loading their songs in Guitar Pro and just thinking WTF at the solos. It was Alexi, Suicimez and Jeff Loomis who make me feel useless at arpgeggios. I'm still trying 15 years later LOL. That's when I knew to focus on riffing and alternate picking instead of sweeps that I'll never get down cleanly.
@@simonp9471its funny how different we as a people are in our proficiencies, I was gifted on arpeggios from the get go but riffing something like Bleed takes major effort
@@TsobeI’m the exact opposite 💀. I’m not good at soloing but I focus most if not all of my time on rhythmic playing for song from bands like Meshuggah, Periphery, Monuments, and Gojira
Necrophagist one of my absolute favorite bands ever!!!
What a guitar Player Muhammed is!
"Keeping Necrophagist alive"
Keeping death eating itself alive is quite a conflict of interests
How's death be alive in the first place?
@@fajaradi1223 well if there’s something dead but it’s eating itself alive and I’m being tasked with keeping it alive like what should I do just kill it??
Muhammed is an engineer at BMW.
That explains why he is so technical.
whats really sad is that the third album was basically done and its just sitting there rotting away never to be heard, like the music actually fucking exists and we will never hear it.
I will hear it at some point. I'm not gonna die without hearing this album even if it means I'm gonna have to hack into muhammeds computer and download the files😂
Was fortunate enough to share the stage with these guys twice I believe in the mid 2000s. One of my favorite bands!
Great work man this was a great watch. Hopefully, you'll find him some day!!
I feel very fortunate because I saw them on a gig in Spain, and I have a picture with Muhammad, Hannes and Samy. I also bought an Epitaph copy and they signed it gently for me. I was like in heaven and enjoyed very much the show. The became one of my favourites and still are, Epitaph is an absolutely masterpiece every way, and even nowadays sounds like that. Pure gold. I wish some day they reunite and make a gig or something like that. Thanks for the video and your efforts in finding Muhammad!! It was surprising to find an interview with Christian 😍
I like your anecdote (and all the other anecdotes in this comment thread) I envy you all for having seen them Live. But I gotta know... How do one sign an album gently? 😂😉 Was it done with canadian goose feathers and ink? Or signed normally but with a gentle song accompanied? 😉
Man I really applaud your effort. Hopefully somehow MS will catch wind of this video and will consider reaching out to you for an interview. He's really become a unicorn of the metal world, so funny. \m/
So true. Saw Necrophagist live and Muhammed did sound just like an edited rhythm guitar. Perhaps even better than the record.
Christian is and always will be my favorite guitar player and inspiration for as long as I'm alive
Thanks for this
Trying to get hold of a few more ex members right now. Glad you enjoyed the video!
@@sixstringtv1 any progress on that yet?
I randomly saw him at a Wintersun show back in 2013 in LA and everyone was too intimidated to talk to him. At the time we still had hope for a new album so I didn't really think anything of it, major regret not trying to talk to him.
Oof, the double whammy of Necrophagist and Wintersun.
@@JohnDoe-rj8nd It's a gamble at this point if we'll get a new Necrophagist or Wintersun first now lol.
Both bands are the absolute masters of technicality@@ArmandNour
Me and my now wife were going to see them back in 2007 for the Carving Europe's Epitaph 2. We had little money cause of stray jobs and full time study so we saved up. Bought stuff for long travel and stay, got reservations for trains, tickets and hotel nights. Left notice at school and jobs of our absence and such.
5-6 days before the show, it got cancelled.
Didn't get any money back for any reservation. The money loss was frustrating but nothing beats the frustration of being so close to see them live and year by year never getting the chance again.
The frustration lives on.
If you can read this Muhammed:
We don't blame you and we never will.
Long live Necrophagist
A wife who goes to see Necrophagist with you is a keeper
Met him in 2006. Got his autograph on a tab booklet for epitaph. Great fella
Necrophagist is on my mind atleast weekly, thanks for making this video. I haven't finished watching it yet but it's already scratching that itch!
I have the Stillborn One in my head basically daily. Madness.
I actually prefer the original version of Onset personally- it sounds more jagged and mechanical. It's funny how big of an impact Guitar Pro and Necrophagist had on the underground metal world in the early 2000s; we used to use Guitar Pro for everything too. I believe the cabinet on Epitaph was actually an old black 80s Laney cabinet with a metal grille, mic'ed with an SM57 really far towards the edge of the speaker for a warm, spongy sound. I remember a photo on their old site with a title like "57 kisses Laney" specifically because I used to use the same cabinet. I'm really grateful to have seen Necrophagist twice and met the guys in the band- I really hope they come back someday. They basically made the blueprint for modern technical extreme metal
Muhammed was a post grad at an institute I took lectures from (actually every mechanical engineer who studied in Karlsruhe did and does, the IPEK is a central institute for mechanical engineering at KIT). Later it was said that he left for a good job in industry. My guess is that he's just living his life and isn't interested enough to produce the new album.
Hell, Necro basically gave us Chon, a whole other genre basically
Got the chance to see Necrophagist at Summer Slaughter in Albany in 2008.
At the time I was friends with the owner of the club, so we hung around after to talk. About half hour after their set and after the club was empty, Muhammed came out from backstage and we got a chance to talk to him a little while over beers.
My friend was a big Marco Minnemann fan, so he asked Muhammed why he was out of the band, and he said Marco was really talented, creative technical player but the material for the new album had faster double bass he had trouble playing, so they found Romain who was brought in to play on the new album. From what he said at the time, considerable amount of the music was written.
I was at summer slaughter 2009. There was no new album!!! Lol killer show though. I chatted with all the necrophagist guys, near their bus. Super kind and friendly. They really do appreciate their fans.
Didn't they play some new songs with 7 string guitars? Or at some time I believe they did.
@@piptyson5512 They may have… I can’t speak for certainty. If I’m remembering correctly, the tour coincided with the time Ibanez had released Muhammed‘s guitar design as the Xyphos, so there could be a very real chance that they had seven string versions as well on that tour.
@@sauce_aux Yeah it seems like there was an old grainy video like 15 years ago of them with the 7 string Xyphos, tuned to A I believe. A song name just popped in my head....Dawn of Demise? Or some shit like that lol.
Damn would love to hear what that forgotten hard drive has on it.
@@piptyson5512 seriously. I’ll bet there’s dope shit but Muhammad won’t allow himself to be satisfied with it lol
So happy about this video... super informative, and thanks for your efforts!
The rumor for a long time was that the record label (was it Nuclear Blast?) did Muhammed really dirty, and out of spite, he held the album back. Then, after so many years, he just said “fuck it” and gave up. I have no way of knowing if this is true or not.
I only have 2 ideas where you can follow this further:
1) write a letter to BMW corporate, ask them directly. Tell them you fully understand their employees right to privacy, but that this man im was an artist, who’s work touched many lives, and you’d like the opportunity to reach out and thank him for that. Tell them to simply ask the man if he’d be willing to have a conversation with you, and, if the answer is no, they can just deny his very existence.
No harm no foul.
2) write to their (presumably former) record label. You can still get officially licensed Necrophagist shirts and such - I just ordered one last year. Therefore Muhammed is POSSIBLY (hopefully) still seeing checks from them, therefore they must know where he is. Try a similar spiel as my idea for BMW corporate, and hope for the best.
It’s been almost 20 years since Epitaph came out. Perhaps Muhammed is starting to feel a little nostalgic. Perhaps, just maybe, he’s finally ready to talk, if only to reminisce about past glory.
Good luck to you, and please keep us updated. DO NOT GIVE UP.
+1
Have you considered maybe that he doesn't want his current colleagues knowing about his former life?
@@lewisb85"about his former life" haha, what? it's not like he was a pornstar or an Adolf sympathizer. he played guitar in a band and toured the world, lol
The last label Necrophagist was officially on was Relapse Records. And yeah, there is some knowledge that he had his gripes with the label.
Relapse Records. He mentioned on his FB in 2014 I think that he had problems with the label.
Thank you very much for this Doc
This was the first time I ever saw an interview with Christian, he’s a phenomenal player and really nice guy, I always felt like Obscura was the successor to Necrophagist.
I really hope you will be able to find Mohammed one day and have the interview you were looking for.
Damn some of the BMW employees were rude…
You know who is not rude? Me, when I‘m trying to teach you speedpicking…
So you better check the link in the description box :P
Masterful ad pivot
@@cannibalfan01 "segue to our sponsor" levels
That was smooth lmao!
BMW: shit employees, shit product. Checks out.
Speculating… He may have worked there for a period but if he’s really a skilled automotive engineer there’s so many opportunities available other than BMW…
They don't even indicate which direction the conversation's going!
I was lucky enough to play in a band that opened for Necrophagist back in 2006 or so. We already knew the band's music going in, but we were still mesmerized by how insanely good they were live
Maybe you can try getting ahold of later members of the band like Marco or Sami. People of similar musical approaches who might still be on friendly terms with him.
I feel like this is the way, if anyone has any knowledge of the third album it’s the late members
This was a great watch. Hearing from Christian was super interesting, and that drive to Munich earned a sub. Great effort man! Hope you eventually get a promising lead.
No surprise the guy was difficult to be around, still an insane composer. I do hope one day he'll release the third album, live versions of Dawn and Demise sounded so promising and I want to hear the album version. I'm not holding my breath for it anymore though.
Check out the band that did a studio version of Dawn and Demise. They nailed it.
Hey great video, Christian seems like a cool and very respectful guy, kudos to him. And of course to you for taking on a 12 hour drive just for your "documentary", speaking of, it has been a bit since this video came out, any progress since then, perhaps you have talked to some other band members. Would be really awesome if, you gave an update. Keep up the good work! 🤘
That tour with Bolt Thrower during 2006 was a blast, one of the best shows i ever seen.
Christian seems very kind, and humble. Not wanting to disrespect or speak poorly of the situation. Class act lml
At the time this was one of the most exciting, mysterious, and interesting metal projects at the time. His solos are probably the best in the genre.
OMG YESSS! I'm a 50 year old black man and amateur guitarist who's been into metal since I was 14 and I discovered necro like just less than a year ago and I see necro goes back like 16 YEARS 😳 I'm now realizing and hearing the the change in sound and style in thrash metal is probably due to THEM! Amazing compositions 👍🏿
I first heard the music of a band called Necrophagist in 2019, and they immediately became one of my favorite bands. Sadly, however, there has already been no activity since 2008 and little news has been heard of Muhammad. Therefore, I am so glad to hear news from this. I'm eager to see him and his band back in action.
I was fortunate enough to see them open for Cannibal Corpse in Denver around... idk... like 2005-2006. Dying Fetus was there also and I picked up a Cannibal Hockey Jersey. Dude, the only merch Necrophagist had was a tab book for Epitaph and you better believe I walked out of there with that shit. They were AMAZING live! If he didn't want to be found, I guess I'm glad you didn't find him because much respect. I hope whatever he's doing now fulfills him.