SVS PB3000 vs Dual Klipsch R-115SW Subwoofer Showdown
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ต.ค. 2024
- In this video, we compare the SVS PB3000 vs Dual Klipsch R-115SW Subwoofers using Room EQ Wizard.
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The PB3000 is one heck of a sub! SVS never ceases to amaze me. I am a Klipsch fan boy but I give respect where respect is due.
Great comparison, I have dual Klipsch R115SW in my setup which I bought each USD550. and I am happy to see the graphical results. Thanks.
Thanks
Pb3000 did well but the dual klipsch imo would be ultimately more capable being able to move one to help a null! The klipsch are awesome looking too.... 😁
I think they are a great choice
My choice as well.
@@GTGrabber I tried the Klisph 15 and sent it back the next day, my old Speakercraft 10 inch sub out performed the 15 so I order the pb 3000 from Ed at SVS, night and day all Of my pictures frames on the walls were moved and I mean moved where my wife came down yelling at me thats how good the lows are in the PB 3000, than I order the next one it arrived on a 18 wheeler truck they have the S together Love them.
@@1crenshaw488 So You compare Klipsch 15 sub to sub with twice powers and twice price... Very "objective" 🤔
@@1crenshaw488 picture frames moving isnt very technical. But go on.
Great video! I think one thing that would really help me though is in your first video, you pointed out that when you got to the scene when Thor was trying to jump start that forge and the beam of fire shot through him, the single R-115 did not handle that scene well at all but the PB3000 did amazing and was cleaner. Can you let us know how dual R-115's handle that scene compared to the PB3000? I'm curious if the dual R-115's gave cleaner output or not.
Wow! That PB3000 was very impresive when running sealed config!
Definitely added a lot more lower extension
@DjungelGeorge
Sealed subs rule! Wish my RSW12 was a sealed design. Haven’t tried plugging the port to see what that does but hey I still like it as designed.
I prefer ported myself. The SB16 didn’t have the output I was looking for
@Youthman
I can understand that as you have a large room to fill! My small man cave really doesn’t need a sub but I have the Klipsch just in case I feel the need for more sensation. Plus it matches my Klipsch monitors!! Great excuse to buy it😎. And I run 2 channel music only as I’m not a movie watcher.
@@Carl-bd1rf
Same here. I don't need anywhere near 100db in my man cave, but I certainly do love the smooth Frequency Response all the way down. I have two subs, placed diagonally, and have set the delay on one up my one millisecond. Then run them through my Antimode (since my Yamaha AVR isn't exactly great at EQing Subs...) And I get a pretty flat line from 20-80Hz (they are 12" subs).
Mine are not sealed sadly, they have a secondary, passive membrane, but they are still quite good.
PB-3000 held it's own very well. Based on those graphs, I'd definitely be running it ported in your room. The +4~8db gain from 22-32hz would be extremely noticeable. The quick rolloff from 17hz and down isn't even audible, just makes things rattle. Also, when you run the R115s, did you try one up front right corner, and the other back left corner? That's one of the most recommended configs to avoid the nulls. Most rooms just aren't designed to fit that config though. Great video!
or - not shown in this REW... try stuffing just 1 port for a happy medium.
Well this was quite informative for me...now i know that i'll most probably will buy another R-115SW instead of buying SVS PB3000...or 4000..and save lot's of money...thank you Youthman!!
Good video, thanks for sticking to the science and giving the facts without bias or personal opinions influencing the presentation
MAN!! To see the difference in curve with dual subs is amazing! Thanks for the great vid!
Thanks Andy
Great video !
The svs sealed mode seems a bit weird as the 3000 has more base extension in its ported mode
wonder if the volume in which you perform these test affects the results. I feel if pushed a little harder the dual SW R115 would be able to catch up to the SVS at those 22-40 freq. while the SVS will prob reach the total output sooner. I can see that when added the second SW R 115 the freq got flatter but not much SPL gain was registered, meaning the subs are not being tested for actual total output at any freq.
These videos take time to make, we appreciate the info and the time you take to make them!!! keep up the good work.
at 90-100db this would be the more useful range of the speakers if one does better at 130db then that's great but 95% of my use is 80-90 db or less only 5% is cranking things to the max. actually my speakers get so loud its louder than a concert by a fair margin and I never play them that loud except when showing of to a friend that then says WTF was that right before blood pores from the ears, no but when that loud it does physically hurt. around 115-120db at the couch. human hearing stops around 120db any louder is just undefinable.
philip lubduck I don’t remember if youthman mentioned at what distance he was making these test at. Even a foot closer would change all these results!! As of what db is useful is completely up too the person.. I have a 16x12x8 and my single 18inch sealed sub measures at over 115 db at listening position( (13ft) and I love listening at that volume.
The mic was placed at my primary listening position.
I have picked up from Fry's, a Klipsch R-115SW for $459 w/tax included, w/email coupon code and 20% off coupon given at the door. Also, I have repaired a broken R-110SW, that cost me $40 + ~$10 for tinsel wire. $55 for a used Klipsch wireless kit, from the bay. Today I have received and repaired an Onkyo TX-RZ730 like new, for $120 + $4 for a transistor, that I already had. I'm still way below $1400.
how do the email coupon codes and coupon given at the door work? i bought my spl 150 on sale for 550$ that was the sales price at frys. i asked if i could use email code but it said doesnt apply for those items which they probably lied. also never heard of coupon at the door stacking.
Hey brother. Thank you for listening to your fans. This definitely helped me make my decision. I will just purchase another rs115. It seems as I could purchase 2 for a total of 3 and still have a better value. That was fast and appreciated. I wish I could subscribe to you again. Unfortunately they only allow one. I hope a like will suffice. Thanks Youthman.
Glad the videos are helpful. If you do purchase another and use my link in the description, I would be grateful
I just wanted to ask, would getting dual pb-3000 be worth getting, with having the rest of my system being klipsch? I’m talking Rf-7 iii, and rp-600m bookshelf’s and rp-502 surrounds, and then having about 6 in-ceiling klipsch c-5800 c ii’s for the atmos?
Another great video! No denying svs has klipsch subs beat for the most part. But dollar for dollar, klipsch is right in there. I paid $850 for my pair of r115's brand new. Best money I ever spent...
That’s a great price on those
@@Youthman I lucked out and caught a crazy sale at frys a couple years ago.
Great video Youthman! With out getting too caught up in numbers and graphs, do you think there is much usable output below 20hz from most movies these days? I know it's always comforting to have a sub that digs deep, but just wonder how necessary it is sometimes.
Dual pb 1000 pros would cost similar to the dual r115sw's, which do you think is better?
Can’t speak for the svs. But I have dual Klipsch r-115sw’s. Love them. I do use the svs rubber cushion feet on the sub to help with not pissing off the neighbors.
Troy they sell them on their website www.svsound.com/products/soundpath-subwoofer-isolation-system
sorry just saw this. I got them on amazon. they just screw in. you might need longer screws than they provide. @TROY HENRY
Great video. Awesome work!
I have one question... what are your thoughts on dali speakers? What would you rate them? I own a 7.2 dali system and judging by the price I would say they're some what of a decent brand. I'm just curious on your thoughts
Cheers!
Hi Branden, I have not heard Dali speakers
Note! Keep in mind that this is in his room and at only 1 position! You will get a completely difference result in any other setup!
Absolutely. This is my in-room response.
Awesome so not much of a difference between the dual klipsch and the sealed PBS. I would probably go with the two klipsch just because that's the set up in already have and the two klipsch would match perfectly visually.
With duals you do get smoother response throughout various seating locations.
That was awsome, the pb3000 is impressive....not sure which way i would go if i didnt already have the klipsch.....probably still the klipsch i could get a 2nd and have 2 for $1000 total!
Yes it’s all preference
Thanks for the excellent and detail comparison.... I would like you to review the HSU VTF-15H MK2 Subwoofer which retails online for $859.00, some of the specs according to them are 2000w amplifier short term rms 600w. One port open 16(hz) 111.3 spl,....80(hz) 125.8 spl. For the price this is the sweet spot between the Klipsch and the SVS.
John Furious I’m looking into getting one once I sell my pb-1000.
Sorry, however this may not quite be a completely (mostly but not completely) valid comparison for two reasons. For one, which Klipsch position did you place the SVS? Honestly I believe that you used the position that was less advantageous to the SVS. Second, neither position of a dual subwoofer setup is necessarily the best position for a single subwoofer setup. That said, I believe that what we are seeing is that double the price tends to get you double the output. However we are also clearly seeing the advantages of going Dual. I for one would never purchase the single most expensive subwoofer that I could afford, and instead I would always purchase the most expensive Dual subwoofers that I could afford and then play with placement in order to achieve both a Flatter response (super important), as well as increased output (3-6 is often obtained). Thanks so much for the review! As always, nicely done and super helpful to us all.
Hi John, in previous videos, I found the best location for a single sub and placed the 1st R-115SW there and also the PB3000 so they both had the best placement in my room. In a previous video I located the best location for the 2nd R-115SW sun and placed it there.
Unfortunately I just can’t put every detail in every video
@@Youthman Hmmm, I'm comparing your previous video "Klipsch R-115SW vs SVS PB3000 Compression with Room EQ Wizard" to this video where clearly the SVS graph looks nothing like your non-sealed SVS graph of today, and so therefore I have concluded that the position that the SVS was placed in today wasn't as good as a position as that previous video. Am I mistaken? Is there maybe something else going on here that I am missing? I guess these two videos have me a bit confused as to the setup / positioning / resulting graphs. Any suggestions / explanation as to the disparity that I believe that I am seeing. Thanks!
Out of curiosity, on the last video it was a real world test you did vs just graphing it out. Did you do a side by side test with the duals vs the svs? Would love to hear your opinion in a real world setting
Also out of curiosity have you ever compared your dual 115s vs a diy sub? I wish I could send you mine to borrow to demo against a 115. Would love to know in a real world setting how it would do.
What's the width / depth of that room? .. I will look for some solutions for 35hz - 40hz standing wave cancellation .. 40hz is a 28 foot wave.. Staggering the placement in the room can sometimes help .. although .. it won't look symmetrical.. but will sound better.
Great work Youthmam. It does kind of confirm my previous comment that duals add closer to a 6 db increase as you are adding not only double the power (3db) plus double the driver size (3db). Of course there are so many other variables such ad room modes, 1/4 wave length etc which can play with any theories Lol! That's a tough room dip you have there from around 30 to 50 hz. With all those subs, maybe try your PB16's to see what the room response is, and then see what happens with a third sub (3000). Or maybe see about playing with the 2 Klipsch"s and then move the 3000 around with its adjustable phase and see what happens. If nothing else you are getting a good workout. Also, I imagine there is a limit at the top end of output as these subs go into compression at peak sound pressure levels which could have a different response curve at different frequencies. What did you think of the sound quality? Obviously that's very subjective, but some subs are quite tight and some are a little looser in sound quality vs quantity of output. Man, there could be a never ending array of questions as new tests can open up new thoughts and possibilities. What a crazy hobby Lol!
Klipsch’s is replacing the 115sw with the spl-150. It seem like the only thing they changed is the look of it. I don’t like the look of the new one. The 115sw looks a lot better.
I like the look of the R-115SW better as well
I agree... Even with the all the speakers... I like the look of the older RP line.
Rob E I mainly don’t like the finish on the new ones. Makes it look cheap. The old finish on the other speakers made them look more premium
I agree the spec of the spl 150 and the r115 appear exactly the same - Having owned the r115 i can tell you that the veneer gets scratch really easily - which may be the issue which klipsch have fixed with the spl series.
Yes, I already scratched one of the R-115SW.
Although VERY interesting, it wasn't an apples-to-apples comparison. Dual subs will always perform better. What would have been a better test is to use 2 PB 2000s; same basic price as the Klipsch and it's 2 subs vs. 2 subs.
Indeed not an apples to apples but still a valid comparison as you can get a pair of R-115SW for the price of a single PB2000 and get better results.
Dual subs don’t always perform better though. I’ll take my PB16 over dual PB2000 any day
Totally agree. And Youthman Amazon has Klipsch for $699 a piece, you can get first PB2000 for $799 and if you order with SVS can get second one at a discount for ordering two. I used to run Klipsch, and still do for my other speakers, but love my SVS sub.
I got dual 115 subs. I can buy 3 Klipsch for 1 svs sub. And going from 1 to 2 is definitely worth it. Svs is great though 😁. And I get a better result in gain matching the subs from the amp then if I change it on the reciever.
I agree. The only negative with SVS is the price tag
Very Interesting!
You could have spent hours with placement to optomize performance.
With subs just a few inches this way or that can make a big difference.
Even just closer, or farther from the wall (in the same spot) a few inches can make a measureable difference.
With subs, to a large extent, the room becomes a part of the enclosure.
Corner placement vs. side wall placement can completely change the characteristics of any sub, single, or dual.
There comes a point where you just need to be happy with the way it sounds. :-)
You already know what I think about comparing apples to oranges.
Otherwise you do a fantastic job explaining things on your videos. Glad you could do a comparison for others on request.
Have a good day! ✌
Sometimes we need to compare apples to oranges to see exactly the differences and their behavior in a scientific approach with empiric practices. That is why it is called a comparison.
Yes another great comparison. But I was wondering how the two Klipsch sound compared to the one SVS in your movie Demo? Does the SVS still have more in the scenes than the two Klipsch? I guess what I am trying to say is , does it take two Klipsch to equal one SVS?
in other words Youthman, did two klipsch subs make you smile as much as the one PB 3000 hahaha
I started testing at 11pm and finished at 3:30am so the wife was already in bed. I can do short bursts with REW and get away with it.
Youthman Understood. Believe me!
Already??!!! Nice Youthman!!
I’m fast! Lol
In a way they are near identical price per performance when buying 2 Klipsch vs one SVS, but no mobile app/equalizer on the Klipsch.
I will stick with the added notion, if $1400 is your total budget, always go dual K. If your room isn't perfect, you need a minidsp, tack on an added $200 to correct your room though.
One thing I do not know how to measure is pressure changes in a room. Is that independent of the dB output? Not sure there is a test for that. Guess we will rely on Youthman for the "feel".
Great video. And was hoping someone could help me out with some doubts. Is it better to go with two smaller and cheaper subs than with a bigger more expensive one. Am on a budget and am eyeing the bic america pl 200 ii. But would it be better to go with two cheaper 10inch subs. Also will having two subs give me greater frequency response range?
Being price is a big factor.. I would go with the single 12"... I would not consider going with with 2 cheaper 10's until you were in a higher price range..
I’m with Justin. I would buy the best subwoofer you can afford. That way one day down the road you can buy a second sub if you feel you need more
Great video but a quick question, would you be happy with just two 115?
For sure but I prefer my dual PB16’s. 😀
@@Youthman PB 16's definitely, but for now I'm getting the klipsch. Thanks
They are great subs. When you order, if you use the links in the description, I would be grateful.
@@Youthman Definitely
This was a fun run through with the svs and pb3000. You should eventually show us your measurements with your current setup (ultra16s). I’d like to see how it looks and if there are any nulls even with both subs. Can’t wait to see your reviews on the atmos upfiring vs ceiling. Still waiting on that! Lol
Well that certainly didn't take long! Huzzah for comprehensive comparisons
Haha yes that’s not normal for me but I have new gear in for review that I want to get to this week.
Looking at all those curves really shows off that null around 40-50Hz. Your next steps should be moving the mic around the room to see if the null follows along or disappears. With a coverage "map" in hand of where your null(s) lie, you could better determine where your problem truly lies. At that frequency you're looking at a 7ft wavelength, so I'd be looking primarily for a null going right down the center of your room, or possibly dependent on distance from the rear wall. Actually, how far from the back wall is your primary seating position? Is that same null present with your PB16s?
That said, really interesting response from both of these setups. It's curious how sharply the SVS drops off down low with the ports open, only to extend more evenly once the plugs are in. I suppose that's mostly due to the size of the cabinet not letting the ported design really stretch its legs with the smaller driver. The iron triangle strikes again. The Klipsch definitely gives you a lot to play with down low and higher up, with a much smother plot to boot.
Thanks. I’m not too concerned with the null unless I get the same results from my PB16’s that are behind my screen as this is the location where my subs are. It’s just not practical (or easy) to remove the PB16’s every time I get a review unit in.
PB16s that are difficult to move? Never would have guessed.
Lol. At 175lbs each, it makes it even more challenging being on a platform.
Hate to say it but that testing was done in the wrong way. It doesn’t have a true representation of capabilities of either sub. You need to turn gain up to max on both or close to it. Voltage gain changes dramatically from sub to sub. For instance one sub set to 80db doesn’t actually reflect a level match. Some subs need more gain to hit peak spl at high volume. In a room closed in the size of yours you should see 110-125db from 25-100hz on klipsch.
Hi, you need to do another little test with the PB3000 at the second location…
That is the lesser of the two positions as shown in a previous video
@@Youthman GREAT !! :-)
Thanks
I would be interested in seeing the graph with one SVS and one klipsch, mismatch them. i have 2 mismatched subs and it sounds much better than just running 1 pb2000 by itself in my opinion.
Ask and ye shall receive! Youthman comes through as always. Thank you for another great comparison!
Thanks David
4 klipsch r-115sw or dual svs pb 3000 🤔 want strong bass in my chest but it should loud too
Hi Youthman thanks for these great videos! three weeks ago buy the Klipsch R-115SW in amazon and i have a little problem, when shut down the reciever the subwoofer don't put in standby the green light always is ON 24 hour, i try differents levels with the crossover and gain but nothing, always is ON! in the sub i put 120 hz and the reciever 80 hz for all channels, i don't know what is the problem!?😟
Make sure the switch on the sub is in the right position. It's a three way... off, on, & standby.
it does not work, try three different way with the switch and the sub don't turn off! maybe is something wrong with this subwoofer.
PB3000 has built-in PEQ, which could easily fix the peak at 30hz, and yield a fairly flat response curve.
But ultimately, the difference between (2) subs and (1) sub is likely to be headroom at the lowest frequencies.
Agree. Performing a REW test on the SVS with simply a raw non-PEQ'd output is like like dyno testing a motor without any tuning or exhaust system attached.
Thank you Youthman, I have been torn between SB3000 and PB3000 a while as I can only buy one of them for now. I'm glad to learn that I can get the best of both world with a ported sub by sealing it with form and you convinced me to buy PC3000! Thank you.
I am having a pair of Klipsch RP-8000F and 504C in Piano Black coming. I really really really wish SVS made PB3000 in Piano Black too.....now I'm not sure if I can live with black ash color for PB3000 or go with SB3000 in Piano Black.........
Congrats on the upgrade
I'm choosing sub for same stack. But SVS looks out of style completely. Would like to buy 115 for them, since I don't like 150's design. But I'm afraid of those faulty amps in 115.
Fantastic vid man. Fun to watch. The pb3000 did pretty damn good up against dual 115’s. Not bad.
Thanks
Hello again Youthy. I was wondering do I run REW first followed by Audyssey. Or do I run Audyssey first and then REW.
Youthy?
Hey there Youthman. I hope I didn’t offend you by referring to you as Youthy. I have seen others reply this way in the past and by no means did I mean to offend. I apologize if I did. As usual I absolutely love your videos. I look forward to every one. Take care.
By no means did you offend me. 😀
Good.
Holy shit that's a ton of room gain at the lower frequencies with the sealed pb-3000.
The difference isn't from room gain.... Using the ports config, applies a filter below the tuning frequency... (where it naturally drops fast and cant handle the power anyways) ported is going for spl, and sealed is going for sq....
@@justinmallaiz4549 sealed boxes normally don't have good extension, They drop like a rock below ~30hz (well it depends), That's why people go with ported ones. But if you room is small enough, the sealed can go down to 10 hz flat.
I've see this on only with svs subs with their EQ DSPs but with normal subs and even DIY subs aswell.
Quetzalcoalt .. your not contradicting what I said 🙂 ... Btw, I just newly installed a pair a 15’s in a 10x12 room that are sealed and flat to 10htz 🙂 (if I ported them I could gain several dB at the tuning frequency and lose dB below it)
Thanks for doing all that work for us Youthman!
You are welcome Will
And the SVS PB3000 is the best model from the line of SVS subwoofers? If you take the ratio (price quality).
Obviously not, kind of an apple's to oranges comparison without duel SVS's also... 😉
It is not their top of the line. There's the 4000 series, and 16 series.
Science states that the typical human generally can’t hear sounds below 20Hz, so in your video at 11:55 where the SVS drops at 15Hz you most likely are not able to hear or discern it. In addition within the 25Hz to 40Hz range, which is in the middle of the output range where you generally feel the power of a subwoofer, the single SVS PB3000 is nearly 8dB greater (remember that decibels are logarithmic and not linear) than the dual Klipsch subs, which means the SVS has nearly a 2.0 loudness gain factor perception, a 2.5 sound pressure effect and 8.0 power sound intensity over the dual R-115SW Klipsch subwoofers. In my opinion from what you have presented, the best value for performance is clearly the single SVS PB3000.
The PB3000 is a sweet sub and an excellent value
I don't need to hear below 20Hz.... i just want to feel it in my bones 😄
Thanks for doing all these comparison videos on these 2 subs!
Just an idea for future speakers/subs: You mentioned the port noise on on the Klipsch during movie. Would 2 subs turned down a bit have the same issue?
Btw, thanks a lot for plugging the ports at the end. Really enjoy watching
Thanks Wes. By lowering the volume, that would reduce or eliminate the port noise. When you try and push too much air too fast, chuffing occurs. My PB16’s do this at the beginning of Edge of Tomorrow
Wes Campbell that was my question as well. Youthman I really appreciate this video. That SVS is one hell of a sub! But it does appear that the fuel Klipsch is a better option. Did you rewatch that scene with Thor with the duels? Did they help? Lookin at the output it seems like it should have. Thanks!
1- is it ok to mix subwoofers? 2- i have a RSW15 and if i get a newer Klipsch R-115SW sub would they sound good together?
I have always had matching dual or quad subs. You can mix subs but I would recommend not mixing sealed and ported subs and you can get some cancelling issues.
Have you ever listened to the Monolith THX subs? Torn between that and an SVS
The monolith's are awesome subs! I bought 2 of the ported thx 12's this past Presidents day and been enjoying them very much. Monoprice runs discounts on big holidays, i got mine almost $200 under regular price each. I checked that u can get the thx 10 for $399 on discount days. I was gona go for the 10's, but it was a sale so i went with 12's. Depends what ur budget and room size is I would suggest to go dual.
I haven’t heard them yet.
Sharp roll off is to reduce port noise
I would prefer not to have a sharp roll off.
Well, I don’t want port noise either. That’s one benefit of using large sealed subs
@@Youthman listened to a klipsch and they do sound deeper but not as dynamic as the SVS overall. Great woofer
Hey youthman.... Can you please do a video for Marantz Sr 6013 setups. Yesterday i bought one 6013 for my newly built home theater.
Unfortunately I don’t have the 6013.
This video should help though - th-cam.com/video/6Z0svzYSAEM/w-d-xo.html
@@Youthman can you guide me to setup my receiver?
I just did
Youthman thank you so much
Klipsch has the R115sw rated at 122dB acoustic output. I'm wondering how they got that measurement?
Manufacturers measure from 1 Meter where I’m measuring from my seating position which is around 2-3 meters
Great channel and great videos, keep it up. I'm at a point were I'm considering upgrading my old 10" subwoofer. And of course I've been looking at Klipsch/SVS subwoofers. One brand that I'm also interested in is Emotiva, and their airmotive subwoofers. Have you had any experiences with any of Emotivas Subwoofers? There is hardly any material or reviews on youtube on them... Once again great channel... :)
Thanks. I have not heard Emotiva subwoofers but I did get an opportunity recently to hear the Airmotiv Towers and center and wasn’t impressed.
@@Youthman Ok, thanks. I think I'm gonna check out the SVS-line of subwoofers and find one that fits my needs and is good for both music and movies.
Great video this has gave me some really good insight and inspired me to buy the Umik.
That I’m helping to take the midterm out of REW. I know I was lost when I first began using it.
Excellent video youthman!
Hi there Youthman I’ve noticed lately that your videos are on the dark side. They used to be a lot brighter with more background visible. Is this a creative choice or is there an issue with your camera. Not a huge deal but I prefer your previous videos with the brighter image. Keep up the good work though. Love your videos
Hi Dave, over the past month I have added lighting (which I am very new to). Previous videos I use just my overhead can lights in my room but to a camera, this isn’t very bright so I have to increase the ISO to compensate which introduces noise.
Maybe I can add a second light behind me to illuminate some of what is behind me?
Definitely open to feedback as I strive to continue to improve the video quality.
Hey there Youthman. Thanks for the speedy reply buddy. Ya maybe a second light would be beneficial. Either way no biggie. Just an observation. Take care.
Certainly appreciate the observation. 😀
The ported svs measurement was interesting, sounded like it was chuffing at the start and before it got going, although i'm sure thats not the case as its a beast of a sub, think this is a room related, perhaps lowering the gain slightly on the ported svs sub could yield better results, mine are sealed and never had a ported so i could be well wrong, 108db on 30hz is really high
The dual is defiantly the best but that goes without saying
Keep them coming Youthman 😎
needed to block just 1 port on the SVS
SVS makes an awesome Sub!
Great video, if you can do more of these comparing other subs will be great :)
I will periodically get other subs in for review
I would buy the 2 Klipsch as 2 subwoofers are better than one for evening out the room response. I would use the PB3000 sealed. Nice comparison. Thank you.
Thanks Dan
Great video as usual!!
Thanks Clifton
Let's see the SVS PB 16 ultra in action please. Thanks
They are not currently hooked up. I have lots of videos on my channel of them in action
You should try REL subwoofers. Ive seen the HT12 kill a SB4000 in a head to head.
I would like to hear the HT/1508. Just might reach out to them as their video claims it has massively clean output
Great Vid! thank you once again :)
Thanks Dubs
Testing a $1300.00 SVS sub vs a $650.00 Klipsch sub seems seriously impertinent toward Klipsch on your part. My room is smaller (but not much) than yours. My Klipsch r-120sw combined with the Polk psw10 rock my home theater with way more than enough low end! You may not even know it but you are biased toward SVS and excessive bass! I believe music and films should be played they were they recorded as much as possible and clearly you do not. I like your program but your obsessive love of unrealistic bass is cumbersome and overbearing. Stick to the facts and tell people the truth that they do not need $5000.00 worth of subs to get an accurate appraisal of a film or song! Thank you!
Great review.
Thank you for doing this
You are welcome
Love your videos and might sound stupid but I got really excited with I noticed you used my comment on your last video in this one. Was an honour to see my name and comment flash across the screen. Something small but really awesome.
Great video!
Thank you
What center channel my sounds weak....
What is your question?
Was hoping for more of a seat of the pants review, instead of graphs for the whole video.
Sorry, I can’t please everyone. I started the video at 11pm after the wife was in bed so I wasn’t able to crank up a movie to compare and finished editing at 3:30am. Thanks for watching
@@Youthman I understand. But does she sleep for days at a time? Would wager that the majority would have rather waited for a review much like the last, where you actually demoed the pb3000 vs the klipsch, vs analyzing graphs, which mean next to nothing when actually listening with real ears. I say this with no malice, and you're not alone in this, but the "like comment and subscribe... and hit that bell" speech is painfully annoying. If a person wants to sub, rest assured that they won't forget... and they also know how TH-cam works.
I use a Dayton amp 1000watt for my sw115s. In parallel and you want crisp hits better than that svs any day.
Kurt, did you remove the SW115 amp?
Just drilled through the amp plate. It was a broken amp late anyways
I’ve always had issues with… Amps this is the fifth one that has broken
Gotcha
Sorry I was on the bike and using voice type. So let me explain. I bought these subs from amazon for the 699 price two years ago. Then right after the nov purchase in 2016 the amp broke right in Jan 19. I was either going to buy the replacement for 230ish but when I got into the amp and noticed the 400watt label on the board I wasn’t going to even try as subs these days are getting better. So I purchased the amp from parts express and it came with a 5 year warranty to. Drill the hole guys klipsch amps made in China are junk! I even had this on a power conditioner still happened. So this is the last klipsch or any type of class-d amp as they are all made with cheap components
Below 20hz anything below 100db is pointless... lets say 15hz at 90db is barely enough ouput to even notice. Stay ported. For HT sealed is worst solution
I prefer ported as well. Dual SB16’s didn’t do it for me. Much prefer my Dual PB16’s
@@Youthman i totally agree. If you have the space go ported. In a small living and if you listen much to music go sealed :)
@@Youthman Do you know the volume of your theatre in cubic feet?
2470 cubic feet
13x19x10
Just my Luck from Marantz; Marantz Support
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Vs pb16 ultra??!!!
Can you compare the PB-3000 to the Outlaw Audio Ultra X-12($679) and/or Ultra X-13($1499)? I'm curious to see how they do and what I am considering to put in my home theater. Thanks www.outlawaudio.com/products/ultra.html www.outlawaudio.com/products/ultra13.html
These subs are not holding back any punches in the mid-weight range 🔊
Boom!
Actually the PB 3000 can hang with the Ultra 16 16 beats it by more watts only.
The PB16 has higher output capability.
What....
@@Youthman Hey Youthman I did purchase the Ultra Center speaker and I am confuse it does not sound that great, the bass is kinda weak the voice in the dailouge is not strong help me. I just received the shipment from SVS Scott. I am ready to send it back tommorow. you herd it but does the 504 klipsh center is strong in dailouge mid bass and clarity. I need help I just need this last piece to complete. you were right mixing my klipsch fronts with svs center it does not sound right.
That’s strange John. The Ultra Center sounded fantastic for dialogue. Not sure my ears can determine bass from a center as ai have dual PB16’s handling that
@@Youthman I called Scott he suggest that I set the center down to 40hrz to get a more deep vocal sound so far its ok I am still puzzle he did have me re run Audissey which kinda help me. also remember i brought the emotiva too 5 3 gen its ok but i want to add 2k and send it back and just buy the Parasound 5 channel its a better amp I herd hands down. I wish I was told all of this before I dont mind spending the money for something that will satisfied me.
Try to stack the subs.
The R-115SW scratch easily so I don’t think stacking them is advisable
Make also a real world comparison.
Run all 3 at the same time.
Klispch i think in movie is better than svs !
Stelios Apergis why bc it’s shiny?
@Malinois Nation
Heck ya!! Bling bling along with boom boom hard to beat!!!😁
Lol
@@malinoisnation9392 I'm sorry but I can not understand exactly what's asking. it is your own terminology and my English is moderate
Nice video, very interesting. Suck outs at 36 and 45Hz. Half wavelengths about 15.5 and 12.5 ft. Did you say the room was about 13x16?
Yes my room is 13’ x 19’ with 10’ ceiling.
I wonder if it has to do with the fact that the front sub is placed 4’ from the front wall due to the custom cabinet
@@Youthman Maybe, I read 1/2 wavelength can be a big deal. Complex combinations are a difficult calculation. I think angled vs. any flat wall ceiling or floor space may do a little something too.
Completely sold on the 2 vs. 1, even for same total cost. Thought that might have been part marketing BS. I think you sold a lot of people a second sub, great video.
Thanks John