This Is What Is Needed For EV Infrastructure To Be Ready For The Masses
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- Is it 1,000 space car parks? Is it 1,000KW/h chargers? Is it a breakthrough technology? In this video, I give my thoughts on what is needed for EV instructure to be suitable for mass adoption of electric vehicles. So to find out what's going on, stick around as Dave Takes It On.
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I suspect the market will decide. The more expensive chargers just won't get as much use if a cheaper alternative is within the vicinity.
Spot on Dave, the reason I don’t go electric is I can’t charge at home, and the council aren’t interested as I’ve requested a cable gully and on street charging so now looking into moving house.
Same. Swansea City council explicitly bans the use of a cable gully, it is on their website.
Yesterday, I had to go right after work for a small not planned trip to buy some things at Liverpool (from Wigan). I had below 30% (I charge once every one or two weeks at home), enough to go, but I wasn't sure that we could make it back. We went there, spent £200 for other things and when we were ready to return I asked my wife if she wants something to buy from Lidl. She said yes. We went there, I plugged it and in 15 minutes theat we spent in the shop I was over 50%. Yes it was more expensive than at home, but at 65p it wasn't that bad. We spent over £200 for other things yesterday, so £10 more to charge my car it wasn't so bad.
I agree with you. The odd time you have to pay the inflated prices is just the way of things.
I don’t have my car yet but had a home charger fitted early March
@@Odinscrow1962 It's the same way when you pay 15-30p per liter on the motoway services, over the normal price at the petrol station you always go. You know it's overpriced, but you don't want to spent time to get out of the motorway and find a cheaper petrol station.
I've always thought that we should have a system where the energy companies run the chargers and then they sell us energy based on our home energy tariffs and linked to our bills with a "connection" fee added to cover the cost of maintaining the chargers. I appreciate that not everyone has an energy supplier (i.e. kids who live at home but you could issue RFID cards to everyone in a household) but there has got to be a way to decouple the commercial energy rates from domestic so if it can be added to your energy bill then surely that would cover it. Mad thought I know and probably riddled with problems but one way I see it could be done.
I should have read the comments first - that’s basically the conclusion I had come to. I agree totally with you
it needs just one thing. Ban any oil companies to acquire charging networks then conveniently running them in the ground to delay EV adoption
No, we don't want to be a dictatorship. We want an open free market
Haha…
Whoever acquires them they need to be contractually liable to maintain them properly.
@@Harrythehun yes, and that would slow down that. It would be mostly smaller and/or newer companies that get in the market. This means more competition.
Oil companies hold the sites for the infrastructure to expand. As EV's start exceeding ICE, then the fuel pumps will start to be removed & charging points installed. They will have to maintain just as they do now with petrol pumps. This is exactly what is happening in Norway. While these sites will never be the cheapest, just like now with petrol. They will increase the charging points.
The problem is there is no national policy and co-ordination for charging - it’s the usual Con mess leaving it up to companies and guess what, they charge rip-off prices. No reason at all why we can’t put a cap of say 50p as a maximum and let competition go from there. Sure, some will charge that but as more EV’s are out there and petrol stations get replaced, this will change and 50p will become the ‘Motorway’ price, just like high petrol prices.
Leaving it as we are it’s going to take a very long time to sort itself.
If prices were capped then charger companies wouldn't install chargers where they have to pay high ground rents to the people who own the sites; any cap would have to extend to land owners. There should however be harsh caps on prices where the installation is being subsidised through Government grants and/or where Local Authorities are allowing charge points to be installed on their land with no ground rent payable.
Not everywhere needs rapid chargers. Leave the expensive rapid ones for services and city centres but I would be happier with access to 20x7kw chargers in a multi story car park than 1 rapid charger sat at the entrance.
Super markets are now coming up with multiple speed options, weekly shop and a coffee. 7kw is more than enough to get 30 miles in the car.
Local councils being encouraged to allow adoption of things like kerbocharge would bring the benefit of home charging to the masses
The last time I used an 'away' charge point was in January, for a Funeral 240 miles from home. Todays trip was 90 miles each way for lunch in Bridport, the car will charge overnight. For me the next move by Government must be many more simple destination chargers at a low price. A favourite place for me is Swanage, which has a small number of chargers (Pod Point 7kw) which are priced at just above the Electric price cap , just above what it is costing the council to buy the Electricity supplied. 35 pence per Kwh.
We need a concerted policy to install large numbers of such chargers where the public can access them , and not in a expensive car park.
Frankly it needs a change of Government. and then lots of public pressure .
Agreed Dave, many chargers are expensive and although a membership can reduce costs and save money. However a Tesla has the benefit of being half price or less than many other rapid charger, so would still save money for those without home charging.
I would hope kerbside chargers could find a way of linking to a customers home electricity account by use of a tag or similar. maybe than paying a connection fee or small additional amount per kWh to help pay for the charger.
Those living in large cities without off street parking often don't own cars anyway and rely on public transport for most of their trips.
Oops left an overlap at the very end!!!
Interesting you should suggest councils roll out charging - that's exactly what was happening in Scotland. And it makes the charging picture very, very different to England, in both good and bad ways. I've sent you an e-mail about it.
I live in Stockport in Greater Manchester. We have be.ev that seems to dominate all the best charging locations and upped the prices for 7kwh (very slow) chargers from 49p last September to 72p kWh. They seem like a local monopoly. Not encouraging EV take up but trying to profit from it. They spend all the money building nice looking expensive charging hubs.
I don’t use them at all now. I drive a 25mile round trip to get cheap charging from the Trafford centre EV supercharging site. I only wish i could charge economically locally as i can’t charge from home.
We need a lot more destination chargers at attractions. For instance if I visit Edingburgh zoo, Flamingo land etc. I dont have enough charge to get home. Therefore I have to stop somewhere else to charge on the way back. It would be much better if I was able to have a slow charge while parked up at the attractions.
Great video
I had LPG in my Old 230te and went all over the country and people always said they would try it when it was supported better. The fact is that it was OK I always found somewhere to fill every LPG place had it and several garages in my area . I had it in the 230te. Range Rover, last one was Jeep Cheroki 4.2l with the fast fill tank, I was going into converting them.. By the time people thought about it the price Amnesty was over and the price was the same as petrol nealy. I just checked and cars are still selling but I dont see that many filling stations, My usual welding/ gas supply place isn't there anymore, but its still about
I have to say round Fife in Scotland, the carpark chargers are operated by Chargepoint Scotland on behalf of the local authority and are reasonably priced.
a £1.60 connection fee and £0.15 per kWh after that, which is actually cheaper than standard rate electricity for more than 20kWh at a time.
Which is equivalent to:
10kWh - £0.31/kWh
20kWh - £0.23/kWh
30kWh - £0.20/kWh
40kWh - £0.19/kWh
50kWh - £0.18/kWh
Mostly they are 7kW to 22kW chargers with the odd 50kW.
The rates are set by the site owners and outside Fife, the cost can get much higher.
I didn’t know there was a connection fee also. I will need to look at that
@@Odinscrow1962 it depends on the operator.
Low fees (£0.15kWh in this case) generally have a connection fee.
High power chargers with higher prices per kWh generally don't.
@@EwanV I gave Charge Point Scotland RFID - just not got the car yet
I was in Liverpool 7kW lamppost chargers were £1 kW/hr
I don't understand why utility companies can't develop a smart meter for cars, similar to the ones used in homes. Imagine a system where you could simply plug your car into a charging station on the street overnight. This smart meter would be equipped with a SIM card to automatically update usage data to the utility companies, allowing you to pay the same rates as you do at home. Naturally, there would be an additional standing charge for using this service.
Well that's pretty much what Tesla do by default, and some other brands are starting to support this sort of thing too on certain networks. So it is perhaps on its way
Tesla have opened loads more open sites now as of yesterday. Some as low as 22p per kw
If your local authority has electric chargers in their yards to charge up their vans, dustcarts etc overnight maybe open them up to local residents in the daytime when their under used. As a example my Local Authority has their own MOT testers in their transport depot and you can book a test with them so if that can be done why not charging.
Most service yards are controlled areas that have all sorts of safety regulations that would probably prevent public use; then you have the people who would put their car on charge and not return in time for the bin-wagon to hook up causing issues for the next day.
Recently saw a Whatcar road test of Luxury GT cars.... Ferrari vs Bentley vs Lotus EV. On the road with public charges the Lotus electric was MORE expensive in "fuel" than the Bentley...!!
I don't think the owners will care
Once you hit around £0.50/kWh the cost per mile is generally more expensive than ICE (based on broad averages), this means that a good proportion of public chargers (excluding Tesla) make the per mile driving costs higher than ICE. The charger at the local McDonald's is £0.85/kWh, and that is in an out of town area in the Midlands (not a prime site); at the moment a lot of public charger pricing is ridiculously high.
See Elon doesn’t see new Tesla locations as a good investment, just sacked 90% of his Supercharger staff……
I hear not being able to charge at home as an argument against EVs all the time. Often quoted the number of homes that can’t possibly accommodate a charger.
But that’s not the whole story. The majority of people that can’t charge at home don’t have a car. The number with a car is not as high as people claim. It’s a much smaller number than those who can.
Agree that those that can’t charge at home should have a local charger or station with a fixed price permit, similar to parking.
My daughter has a brand new 4 bed house, the design of the house with a detached garage at the rear means she can only have a granny charger, puts them off buying an EV, poor building regulations.
@@harrycummings6501 most new builds have a charger fitted. Sounds like she got a raw deal.
@@truebrit3670 I think they only have to fit an electrical socket (so suitable for a granny charger) I don’t think it has to be a proper charger.
It would be interesting to know what the rating of the supply cable is to that garage. It may well only have a 13a out let on it now. But if that cable is 4/6mm then it can carry 32amp+ with no trouble. So the 13a outlet could be removed and a 7kw charger installed.
@@adrianwood2566 many fit proper sockets. One of my electrician’s regular contracts is fitting 32a chargers on new build estates.
I thought you were going to talk about how to fix public charging... instead I got a lecture extolling the virtues of home charging.
Your solutions are... we need more chargers and they need to be cheaper. Fantasy world is a great place. If there were twice the numbers of EV tomorrow the existent charging network will be overrun. The question was how do we cater for EVERYONE getting electric vehicles. Oh dear... reality sets in.
I'm new to the world of EV's so apologies if I'm stating the obvious. Surely the cost of electricity from the supply points should be relative to the rate of delivery? Electricity basically costs the same wherever it comes from so you should only pay more (per kWh) if you want that same electricity quickly?
Slow (including kerbside) 7 kWh supplies should be similar to domestic prices, while increasingly faster supplies can have more expensive rates, 75 pence per kWh for instance.
You should only be paying extra for getting that energy (which costs exactly the same) in a shorter time period.
In an ideal world Mike. In fact buying electricity from the grid does not change based on how much and how quickly you take it, so the cost of ultra-rapid should be no more than fast. The only difference is the capital cost of the chargers and the installation. At present many CPO (charge point providers) are just milking the public for all they can get but their days are numbered.
Dave just did my first charge on a Tesla charger as the hub at the Tesla dealership near me has opened up to all this week I must say it was brilliant seeing reports of lots opening up this week could you do a peace on this please
Yes it's so much better, now more are open. I used to drive 16 miles to use Sidcup, Kent. As of tonight, I went to the local Tesla dealer/service centre only 3 or 4 miles away. Also at 33p per KW. I did 5% to 93% in the time it took to watch an episode of The Simpsons. 30 mins tops. I personally would not use Gridserve @79p. Unless it was just enough to get me to an open supercharger. 😆
I live in Stockport, Greater Manchester and there is a Tesla Service Station very close to me (less than 1.5miles) with 8 x Supercharging bays plus slow chargers.
Sadly they’re not open to Non Tesla Cars. It would be perfect for me. Saving me a 25 mile round trip to my nearest Non Tesla Supercharger at the Trafford Centre. I live in hope since i can’t charge at my flat.
@Asunisland Tesla is opening more, so my fingers crossed for you.
NOT all cars can charge at a tesla super charger sadly, my MG ZS Ev MK1 wont, I waisted £8.99 on a membership
For me the big problem is going to be the motorway services. The problem is that they have put in enough for general use cases but nowhere near enough for peak times like Christmas, Easter etc. And having a "up to" 350kwh single charge unit seems totally wrong when there are potentially 32 times more EVs on the road in due course. It's not really fully utilising the grid connection which is going to be the fundamental limiting factor. More lower power chargers, 175s perhaps, which have the potential to duel charge is going to be a better way forward. Especially as MSAs have their own dwell time. What's the point in having a hyper rapid charger if there is a queue of cars and inside the MSA there is a queue for tea and you are stuck in it.
Beyond that we need way more cheap destination chargers please, especially at stations where you are likely to get gone all day.
Has anyone ever managed to charge at a Debbie’s garden centre. I have been to a number Debbie’s where the chargers have been installed for about a year but have never been switched on. What is going on? Two in particular being Cirencester (where they are hidden by stacks of compost and bark chipping) and Shepton Mallet where they are still cordoned off. This has been the situation for at least a year, what is going on?
What did the manager say, or perhaps the MD?
Are they their own chargers or a third party. The Genie Point chargers at the local Morrisons haven't worked in months; I know it has been reported but they never seem to bother fixing them. I think some charge point companies just don't care.
Tesla have removed their whole supercharger team so I do wonder if their pricing will stay that competitive going forward
Musk just fires 500 supercharger team.
Do you think Greater Manchester will ever have non tesla superchargers in the south towards say Stockport or even in the east?
There is currently only one supercharger that also serves non tesla cars in Greater Manchester. It’s about 40 miles to the nearest other tesla chargers. The next nearest are now: Leeds, Flint (north wales) or Trentham Gardens near stoke.
For such a large North West Population there is little non tesla car Supercharger support. There are plenty of chargers in the south of England and many more have opened in the last 3 weeks.
Many cities in the north get 1 supercharger if they’re lucky. Other smaller locations can get up to 3 or 4 superchargers. Certainly more than 1.
Could the solution be a plug in hybrid Anyone got experience with the mitsubushi outlander 2019 onwards was offered one the other day. Or have i just blasphemed 😢
They're nothing exceptional. Mitsubishi have now ceased selling cars in Britain, so the parts situation might get sticky in a few more years.... I'm retired now, but my boss had one when I was still working pre-pandemic. I noticed he didn't get another when he replaced it..... He got a Vauxhall Grandland petrol...... Each and every time I walked across the yard at work, he seemed to be charging the Mitsubishi....which, as I understand you needed to do to get any benefit from it. My boss said the engine didn't seem that economical either.
@Brian-om2hh thank you
Firstly I thing the whole idea of a PHEV is pointless, extra complications with few benefits. As I understand it the Outlander ONLY does did about 30 miles on Electricity when new. A lot were on contract hire and on return it was found that the charge lead was still in its plastic bag unused. The only time I saw an Outlander on charge was when the Electric Highway was free!
Go buy a proper EV, or even a proper ICE if you must.
Plug-in hybrids only make sense if you plug them in every night
We need to nationalise the entire UK charging infrastructure, tender the maintenance of chargers with minimum service level guarantees and fines, all under ofgem control. Allow people to access their home tariff via public chargers with small uplift to cover maintenance. This will allow people that cannot charge at home to get an EV and will ensure most chargers function. Im sure most charging companies would happily offload their network as under utilised. Also encourage more people to charger share. We dont have time to mess around with climate change.
We must have been typing at the same time 😄 My thoughts exactly, just have an RFID card linked to you home energy tariff and then pay a connection fee as you'll have saved some money not having a home charger.
EVs are a drop in the ocean with regard to climate change, nearly all of them now are produced by the world’s biggest user of coal……China, and what about trucks, not seeing Asda, Aldi and Sainsbury’s trucks electrified yet? At least Tesco make an attempt to reduce pollution by using rail transport where possible…..suppose all you EVangelists grow your own vegetables, are vegan (oops wonder what’s used to produce vegan leather?), so they can reduce methane releases…….EVangelists have their heads in the sand and blame ICE cars for every woe in the World including Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. You’re nearly all hypocritical left wing loonies in my opinion! Why do I have an EV…to save money, at least I’m honest.
Ah, ‘nationalise’, the panacea to everything…….. Not!
That's fine but then you could only really have chargers on land that was in public ownership. Owners of land in private ownership would still want their ground rent income for the charge point and that is going to be factored into the cost to the end user. My guess is that motorway services owners are taking a nice income from charging bays along with all of the other facilities at services.
@@stephengowler5360 It would be nationalised in name only, you know that pretty much every aspect would end up being contracted out to the private sector so everyone would still be making their profit with the cost being passed back to the end user. To add insult to injury it would probably end up with the one bit being done by the public sector, the administration, being delivered poorly.
You won't get ice cars off the road. The 2035 date will be put back.
It won't..... Car manufacturers are gearing up for the switch already. Euro 7 - due in 2025, ULEZ schemes and emissions based parking chargers will see ICE car numbers gradually decrease. I suspect the MOT emissions testing will also be tightened up in the years ahead. In another 12+ years, you probably won't be permitted to drive anything with tailpipe emissions into towns and cities.
@Brian-om2hh keep believing that. Tesla slowing down their supercharge networks, manufacturers pulling out or slowing down with evs, ulez is not going well with the public. It definitely will get pushed back to 2040 at least.
@@Brian-om2hh they already put it back 5 years and they will again
Ah, you fell for the headline. The reality is the government have pressed ahead with the ZEV mandate which made the change from 2030 to 2035 irrelevant. And the ones who put back the deadline won't be in government by the end of the year@@danny29x
The 2035 date is only for the sale of new cars; there will still be ICE vehicles around for some time after that. At some point though the number of filling stations will reduce and the costs will increase to the point where the average person who can afford to drive at all will probably move to EV for financial reasons. At the same time that the move to EV happens regulations and restrictions will make it more difficult to actually keep ICE cars on the road.
2035 isn't that far off so manufacturers will be gearing up towards that date, they want and need certainty of direction and at some point they will commit to switching their production entirely to EV after which any change in the date will largely become irrelevant as manufacturers won't want to turn back.
If you want to stick with ICE then you will probably have to resign yourself to buying a car in the last year of ICE sales and run it for as long as you can.
Why not have British Gas (electricity) have RFID so you charge your car and the usage is charged to normal your account! At your contracted rate.
After all, it’s the same electricity.
Commission then paid to the Charger Provider for increased the BG sales volume
Just a thought
That's pretty much what Ocotopus' "Electroverse " is👍
@@bertchalmers Not at your normal rate though; they charge to your home utility account but at the charger rate.
If it was at your home domestic rate who pays for the installation and maintenance of the charger and who pays the ground rents for the site that the charger is located on; rents are probably quite high at motorway service sites.
@@paulweston1106 I would anticipate that the Commission covers the cost and perhaps the Govt should get involved too with a Grant for the Installation. It’s not like there are not many “money wasting” ideas that could be scrapped.
You make a good point - perhaps a Focus Group would be setup prior to Charging being targeted for Grants
@@bertchalmers When I read the comments later, I saw someone had already posted roughly what I was writing.
Charge at home FOR FREE if you have solar panels.
Where do I get free solar panels, battery storage and installation ?
I guess its a math problem, if 8 petrol pumps can satisfy all the ICE vehicles filling requirements at say 10 minutes per car then if it takes 30 minutes to charge an EV we will need about 24 chargers to keep things running, thing is as battery ranges get up into silly figures, 600 miles springs to mind, most drivers will charge at home or work not using on-route charging at all. If you can’t charge at home then get a Tesla!
The mathematics yields some interesting estimates.
I think the average ICE car takes around two to three minutes to fill, not 10. Allowing for pay-at-pump, let's say four minutes. Let's say that gives the ICE 400 miles extra range. 400 miles per pump per 4 minutes = 100 miles per minute per pump = 6,000 miles per hour per pump.
Let us take the Model 3 RWD LFP as an example of a reasonable and affordable EV. According to ev-database, this EV charges 10% to 80% in 25 minutes (42 kWh; 100 kW average power; 431 miles added per hour)
6,000 / 431 × 8 pumps = 111 fast chargers.
Average power output = 11,100 kW = 11 Megawatts. To put that in perspective, it would take around 60 acres of solar panels or three to four average sized onshore wind turbines to generate that much power. Alternatively you could think of it as equivalent to 1000 - 2000 fully electrified homes heavily drawing on the network (for example, simultaneously cooking, space heating and water heating).
(Even if we were to use your figure of 10 minutes per ICE, we arrive at 60 × 400 / 10 / 431 × 8 = 45 fast chargers and 4.5 Megawatt average output.)
In any case, a major electrical upgrade and expansion of footprint would be required for thousands of petrol stations. Assuming 90-95% of charging occurred at home or work, an average of eight charging bays would suffice during normal days (but not during busy periods such as weekends, especially long weekends).v
@@jemima_brown I gained my estimate whilst waiting in the car park for my wife (Tesco’s) there is usually a small queue but I clocked 32 cars going through at roughly 10 minutes each, some paid at the pump (if it was working) and some elected to go into the shop. I couldn’t see if they bought others items whilst in the shop although it seemed to be the older drivers who used the shop to pay. My estimate was from they arrived to leaving.
I would imagine it would be longer on the motorway as ICE drivers stop, use the facilities then have to go to fuel then pay via a credit or debit card and it always seems to be pay in the shop, no doubt so you buy more, whereas EV’s arrive, plug on, use the facilities then go so more time efficient especially if its a Tesla as there’s no faffing about with apps or credit/debit cards so a whole lot faster so long as there’s enough chargers which was my original observation.
Maybe Dave can do a proper study at a supermarket petrol station, big oil company’s stations and also on the motorway to get some exact figures, be an interesting one !
@@stevenbarrett7648 Good point, thanks!
On the topic of utilisation, would I be correct in assuming EV drivers typically return to their vehicles, stop charging and drive away when the battery reaches around 80% charge? (Or more specifically, the SOC beyond which charging rate slows?)
@@jemima_brown I can only go by our 10 year EV driving experiences, we tend to just plug in and go off for our lunch or coffee or whatever, return, unplug and go. We don’t really bother with all that technical stuff so long as the car’s happy so are we. Today the car has 245 miles of range and we are going local so I expect we will use less than 100 miles, plug back on when we return taking some power off the solar battery / panels then a bit off Octopus tonight at 7.5ppKw. On the weekend we will be doing a round trip of about 260 miles so Thursday night I will set the car to be at 300 miles for Friday morning returning Sunday without charging anywhere then back onto our own power again. Essentially having a bigger battery means we drive for pennies or for free without this range anxiety everyone (non EV owners) seem to keep banging on about. Never really been an issue and never in 10 years have we ever run out of power !
@@stevenbarrett7648 Yes, home charging before and after long trips is something that is frequently ignored by TH-camrs who seek to create a negative impression of EVs.
I wouldn’t take an EV to the lakes for a day out road trip, not enough rapid chargers…..same was the case in Dumfries and Galloway, I could get there but couldn’t explore the area easily. So EVs once again restrict the enjoyment of motoring. Before anyone jumps on me I’m both an EV and ICE owner, and because of the poor charging infrastructure in the Lakes and D&G there’s only one car that I’d be choosing. Yorkshire Dales and North Pennines fit into the same category too.
There are 9 rapid chargers at Tebay Services on the M6, after which you'd probably turn off for the Lakes at Junction 40 M6. Around 900 new public charging connections are to be installed throughout Cumbria. There are chargers in North Yorkshire, if you know where to look.... Skipton, Hawes etc.....
@@Brian-om2hh Do you mean the two 7KW chargers in Hawes or the 3kW one, oh there is ONE 22hW ac one that most EVs can’t use at more than 11kW? Don’t be silly…….
Dave, have you seen the Tesla adjustments in Supercharging divisions? The profitability is too low. We should not fill viewers with false assumptions that fast charging could cost below £ 0,7. Just do your research about the costs, capex and opex.
Ready for what masses?tesla sacked 14k workers,super chargers are going ev's are finished.
Hilarious! Tesla grew from 48,000 employees in 2019 to 140,000 in 2023. Basically, Tesla are doing the thing that many high-growth companies do and adjusting their headcount after a period of lots of hiring.
@@timrothwell33 ok,No more super chargers no more ev sales😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
BUT. In another video you said to boycott expensive chargers, now you say it its a pound per kilowatt hour you would do it, because you would expect to pay 3 quid for an ice-cream. Make your mind up, mate. you talk bollocks.