357 Magnum Deer Load for my Henry Big Boy Silver
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- It's time to get ready for Ohio deer gun season by working up a hunting load for my .357 Magnum Henry Big Boy Silver. The test bullets for today are the 140gr and 158gr Hornady XTP. The powders we're testing are Winchester 296 (aka H110) and Alliant Power Pro 300-MP.
UPDATED 09/27/2018 - All links have been removed to comply with TH-cam content policies.
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Looks like two people from Ohio disliked your vid lol.
Keep up the great work!
+Marbo40 K naaaa...the Ohio folks have a sense of humor. They are probably Michiganders who didn't like the song at the end. Those folks up north are very uptight. :)
It’s up to 72 Buckeyes now
I get that a lot from Californians as well.
@@JohnnysReloadingBench the same thing as a kid in the US for the first time in a while I was in the middle of the night and I was like that was a good one to get a check a
He is right about Ohio drivers.
Sincerely.
An Ohio resident.
@Rhett G West nah. Michigan drivers are the worst I've been around. But they drive fast so I will give them a pass.
Be careful going back to West Virginia after hunting in Ohio! Recently an old man in a pick up truck gave a ride to an Ohioan and a West Virginian headed across the bridge at Middleport. The two guys thanked the old man and hopped into the back of his truck bed, but about half way across the bridge the old man swerved and went over the side where the truck sank. The old man and the Ohioan surfaced and swam to the shore. The old man asked where the guys West Virginian friend was and the Ohioan recounted that he must have drowned because he couldn't get the tail gate open!
The toothbrush was invented in West Virginia
If it had been invented in Ohio it would be called a teethbrush
I never heard that one before. Very good. 🤣
Oh my god that made my day!!!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
W.V here,I laughed harder then a should have at this.
😂😂 I'm in ohio but thats hilarious
Do you know what West Virginian's do on Halloween? "Pump Kin"
When I was younger, recoil never bothered me. Now I'm a little older and a little arthritic. My "go to" gun has become my marlin 1894c in .357. The videos you do are great and really show what a .357 can do from a long barrel. Thank you. You'll have to give us a video telling us about the deer you take, when you get back from your hunt.
I might just have a video of myself killing a deer! Check out my second channel, JRB Outdoors, if you want to follow my hunting. th-cam.com/channels/XFoIYwcyKXE99E7XQ_LslQ.html
Johnny, more .357 videos. Thank you!
I think the 140 gr with the 19.0 load looked like a winner to me. I'm just sayin'......
Yup
Was kinda thinkin the same..
Better than the SDs with the other tight group with 300-MP and probably a higher velocity too.
Need to try 140gr with 19.5 and 20.0 to see if it gets even tighter or starts to open up?
As a Michigan resident, I agree 100% with everything you said about Ohio.
Does Michigan still have HWY. 10 as a dividing line between shotgun and rifle? (I think it was 10 anyway. It's been 34 years since I lived there)
I know you have been away for awhile but as someone recently into the rabbit hole. Your videos are great and your knowledge is invaluable
The correct explanation of parallax. Most teach as a yardage focus. In the 70s, bench rest, we used to make little cardboard discs that fit into the rear tube with a tiny center hole so our eye would be in the same location every time.
Great video! I worked up this same load in my Rossi 92 with the 158gr XTP flat point and also found W296 at coal 1.580" to be the most accurate. Great hunting load, took a small 90lb doe with it last year.
How fast are they running out of your lever?
As someone not native but has lived in Ohio for the better part of two decades, you’re not wrong. The driving is atrocious but some pretty great folks all around
Freakin loving your content lately! Keep it up! Looking forward to your hunting season!
CountryBoyPrepper he is getting pretty darn good
If you do this exact thing with a 44 magnum Marlin 1894, you would be my hero. I'd even donate! Great video.
Lol love your Ohio story. Iowa was the same and have recently allowed straight walled pistol cartridges. Shotgun season is crazy. It's amazing more people aren't shot each year. It's like the wild West on those deer drives. I have since moved and have enjoyed the high power rifle season the past couple years.
I'm 82 now and quit hunting five years ago. While I don't particularly miss it I was a reloaded off and on for well over 40 years. I started in the 60s with a $15.95 Lee one piece handloader and a powder scale so I could use different loads in my Rem ADL in 270. Surplus IMR 4831 was $4.00 for a 2 lb tin so shooting was inexpensive. The max load of 4831 was 59grs with a 130 grain bullet. But like your groups with the bigger bullet I got what appeared to be flyers with higher loads and swollen primers with the 59 grains. Through experimentation I found my most accurate load was 56 1/2 grains with the 130 gr old Winchester Silver Tip bullet. Though meant for bigger game, the Silver Tip
did not shatter when striking deer bone at close yardage yet worked great on a Pronghorn I shot at about 400 yards.
Later I bought a full press and reloaded for a 3006 and a Rem 260. So it's really the reloading and range shooting I miss the most because it required total concentration and provided great diversion from the rigours 30:05 of everyday life. I love your simplified explanations because reloading isn't rocket science as some make it out to be. But it is technical and requires attention to detail.
Cheers
Great presentation with just the facts. Really enjoyed how you laid out the varying charges on the poster.
This video is old but thanks for doing these with all the comprehensive detail. Just considering reloading and you have a great collection of info in your vids.
stoked to see another vid on the .357 ! have a fun safe season over the state line
We may not be able to drive, but at least we have all of our teeth!
We love us some meth! Wipes those thoughts of abject poverty away in no time! We're moving more toward heroin recently so the average dental quality should be improving.
Johnny's Reloading Bench Stop over, heroin is the official state drug of Ohio.
Well Netflix just did a show here in Huntington WV on heroin so great to be know all over US for the biggest heroin city.
Great video, now I wanna see the video of the Big Buck Eye State Buck you get with that load.
At leat people from West Virginia don't have to worry about their sister and their aunt being the same person.
,357 magnum is such a kick ass round!
If your on Facebook check out the 357 magnum group.
I'm just getting into reloading and love your videos sad to hear that you're stopping, thanks for the knowledge
I've owned .357 rifles and pistols for many years. I used to carry a Rossi 92 as a truck gun on the ranch. I have loaded and fired enough ammo that I wore that rifle out. I have harvested many mule deer with a .357 and three elk. I learned to use the slower burning powders because I load for both pistol and rifle so I didn't want to explode a handgun with a rifle weight load. I love the 145 grain bullets with Blue Dot powder or 2400.
How fast was that load going?
@@casejasnoch2533 Around 1900 fps. I load 125 grain bullets to 2300 fps in the rifle. The 140 grain bullets are my favorite in the rifle.
Thank you for this. I just bought a Henry 357. Love it!
Jean Paul Taylor I’m thinking about getting a Henry Big Boy chambered in .357
Zach Starling The action on a Henry is smooth as warm butter
I subscribed just because of your contempt for Ohio. I have never met a pleasant individual from Ohio.
I have a 1911 coonan in 357 mag, it's a fun range gun, I wanted to develope a load that made a loud bang with a light show, so I loaded some Blue Dot at a max load, and instead of loading a 357 bullet I loaded a 38 super 356 bullet so it would come out of the barrel quicker without a big pressure spike , the Blue Dot burns a little slower so half the powder burnt in the barrel and the other half burnt out beyond the barrel...loud bang and BIG fire ball. It was great, about one foot on each side of the gun, that would be great to see in slow motion.
I used to load a 110 grain bullet with Blue Dot. At the time, it was a published load which has since been pulled from the manuals. I guess they got better test gear and it was over pressure or something. I won't give the load but it shot a 110 grain bullet out of a .357 HANDGUN faster than a USGI .30 Carbine could shoot a 110 grain ball load. It would simply blow up jack rabbits. With the carbine it was like a bomb went off inside a jack rabbit.
@@kengilcrest8670 Hi Ken. Old post here but, I got my hands on a few old load books recently and you're absolutely right about the old Blue Dot data being MUCH more powerful back then. I tried their max load in a Blackhawk, and coincidentally, I also loaded a small bullet. (.355 even though the package said .357) The velocity and fireballs I was getting was extreme. But even dialed back to modern maximums, Blue Dot seems to be the perfect powder for 357 Magnum in my opinion.
@@TheJurgisRud I wasn't purposely trying to get a big fireball, I was just trying to get the highest possible velocity out of a .357 (just playing around with loads). At the time this was by far, the fastest load in a .357. And I loved to rub it in the face of .30 Carbine fans that this load shot the same weight bullet out of a HANDGUN, faster than a USGI millspec .30 Carbine load.
@@TheJurgisRud I load lots of 357 with blue dot and a 158gr powder coated hard cast bullet. Very accurate, big flash if it isn't super bright outside. I also have started loading blue dot in 10mm with 135gr JHPs @ 1500 fps. Huge fireballs and louder than a 44 magnum.
as a Hoosier next to ohio agree on all points except its the BMV we have the Bureau to. very nice info thank you
thank you love it . one of the best 357 videos and i am from ohio
good info- I like to use Hornady 180 gr 35 Cal bullets with a max load of h110 and it's an accurate round out to 200 yards. doesn't drop like a pistol bullet.
Tell em buddy , love the opening lol
Johnny, I Love your site and gather so much information! Very impressive!
Very detailed. Excellent as always.
Appreciate the content. Working up loads for my BB Steel in .357 and this was helpful. Gonna steal your target idea, love how clean it came out. Happy shooting
That target is AWESOME for charting different reloading recipes! I was thinking the same thing.
Have you tested those bullets for expansion?
I'm using Imr 4227 in my marlin 357 and magnus 158gr bullets they expand good and don't blow up at around the same fps your getting. With max load of 4227 I was getting 1950 fps. I haven't tested the magnus bullets at the max load.
Starting to accurate #9 180 gr. Xtp. Hor.. Same.
Love it!
I'm in Georgia myself where we can hunt deer with just about anything. I have spoken to the game warden up in Ohio last year for some clarification about what I could and couldn't hunt with while up there. It was the straight walled pistol cartridges and shotguns if you use slugs and only have 2 rounds. Thats Ohio logic for you. Rifled slugs are OK, but you can't shoot bucks with buckshot. The 2 rounds may be a new rule due to what you described about every emptying their guns trying to hit the deer.
That henry is a nice shooter for sure. 2" groups at 100yd with a pistol round.
I have a Vortex HS and was having the same issue along with adjustment issues. I spoke with Vortex and I had over torqued the rings. Granted it was only 7 inch LB's but when I re-torqued the rings to 18 in. lb's everything worked perfectly. Parallax and adjustments were spot on. Granted that says something of the tube strength of the Vortex but I still like mine. Think I'd go with the 140, velocity will help with the expansion at range.
JRB looks your lovely Henry repeater likes the 140 XTP with the W296, that load is a keeper ! Said the guy born and raised in OHIO , Go Bucks
JRB - Nice looking ammo.... Good hunting' to ya, FC Steve
This was a wonderful video to know exactly the loads to go with on .357 lever gun. Great technical dive and answering a lot questions I have about a .357 for hunting. I just want to have one cartridge for my .357 pistol and a rifle.
Great video, and the intro was priceless.
great video and informative on reloading the 357 mag
cheers
Win 296 data in older books used to go up to 17.5gr with 158 gr hp. I have had very good success @ 17gr w/ small mag primers in my 6” GP100 and 5” 627 SW. I have also shot this load out of my 3” SP101.
BTW Win 296 and H110 are exact same powder
I liked your video on using the .357 Mag for deer hunting. I shot a small buck in California on the Blacktail deer in '03 and it worked great. I was using a Marlin 1894 in that caliber.
I had some older reloading books because I started loading in 1990 before the the SAAMI pressure limits were reduced to 35,000 PSI in
the early 2000s.( 357 Magnum used to be rated at 42,000 CUP which is even more in PSI.)
I know you are using the Hornady 158 grain HP which is a very good bullet. When I started reloading
the 357 Mag I kept one of the velocity charts that used to come in those boxes in the late 90s and still have it. The
158 grain HP is rated for impact velocities between 700-1400 FPS. There is also a 158 grain Flat Point ( a tiny hollow point with jacket over part of the HP.)
I took note that It is rated for impact velocities between 1175-1800 FPS. (Hornady stock #35780 )This I concluded was designed for lever action rifle velocities and I tested both in various mediums. I got a beautiful mushroom from the Flat Point in water jugs shot at 100 yards out of my Marlin. I am concerned that the hollow point will over expand if you get a shot
under 50 yards. I'm sure it will be destructive to vitals but I had full penetration at a close 25 yards with the F.P. when I got the buck. If it had ran a short distance I would have had a great blood trail. The exit wound was 2 1/2 inches in diameter! My load consisted of the 158 XTP FP / Win 296 / 17.0 grains / CCI 550 / and Rem or Win brass, cant remember which.
The H.P. will still most likely do a fine job so if you have already used it on a deer of several your results will be the best judge of what works.
Have tried the same test nearly except when we used mp300 alliant website showed using regular primers then. The 125 xtp chronoed 2000 and the impact and accuracy was extremely great with their only online data then.never tested in gell.also mp300 cases came out cool. Powder is not as hot burning as 110 hodgon.
Great video! I'm considering using my 1-4 scope or a red dot. Lots of good info here, thank you. Hope to here more about the hunting season.
My hunting load is a 158 xtp flat point on 16.5 of h110 (same as 296) and its around 1750fps from my marlin 1894c. Shoots about 2.5 inch groups at 100 using a 1-6 strike eagle. Great little bush gun and I can use the 3rd hashmark down on the scope and consistently hit a 10" plate at 200 yards
Have you used them on deer yet?
I like the 'M' die for my handgun loads for a 'socket' instead of a flair. It is especially great for cast bullet loads. The socket makes the bullet seat straighter
I like it! I might be needing one of these.
Fun project, great content. Thanks so much for these videos!
I'm from Illinois. 2nd year centerfire season. Got the henry big boy 357 for hunting deer!
158 is an excellent choice.
My fav...
Dude, I knew it, WV!!! Me too man!!!
I am working on a similar load. I'm using the 158 xtp fp instead of the hp. 300 mp and Lil gun powders both chronograph over 1900 fps with max loads! A 357 rifle potent. Thanks for the video!
Have you taken a deer with that load yet?
just picked up my rossi 92 in 357, to the loading bench!!!
That 140 gr XTP load with W-296 at 1862 fps looked like an impressive performer.
Beckley boy here. I agree with all the Ohio jokes. Great video!
The 158gr xtp is so awesome and consistent
140 xtp works very well on deer out of 6" gp100 used it many years
Regarding the offset firing pin, would you think it could affect the powder burn?
I do find it interesting at the range how nearly all of the first round impacts started out dead on and seemed to string downwards
That is most likely due to an inconsistency in powder charge
If you want really good loads in the .357 rifle use 2400 or Blue Dot powder. 2400 may call for magnum primers depending on the manual you use. Check brass for length before you flare it.
If you want to go open sights, I recommend Skinner. They work well. I put a Skinner on my Marlin 1894CB. Best decision for me.
Jonny,
Another great video. How many yards would you be comfortable using a 357 with deer loads to harvest game? I have a lever gun that I would consider working loads up for, rather than buying a centerfire rifle this year, but I live in CAlifirnia and a lot of the hunting deer and hog is in the 2-300 range. Could this still work?
The first few minutes of this video had me rolling! I know it's old, but the rant about Ohio is hilarious.
The lack of speed when you go up in powder charge, could that be because of barrel length? Not fully combusted before the bullet left the barrel, so adding more powder had less/no effect?
I could not imagine hunting back east where you guys are I’m in Colorado where we are shooting elk at 600 yards.
Personally I’ve never had a problem taking a deer with a single shot out of my 20ga. I’ve had great success with Rem Copper Solids and Hornady’s. Still looking forward to the work up on these loads for my Rossi 92. Keep up the good work.
I have a 24 inch 92. Been wanting to make a dedicated load for it that really pushes the .357 mag. If i wanted to go way past pressure could i trim .357 max brass down to have a stronger case.
those loads may be hard hitting and accurate but are the projectiles being driven too fast? will they just fragment uncontrollably? would something like a jacketed soft point be better at these velocities?
Mind your back stop. This thing is no joke. Shot clean through 1/2” plywood. Mounted the scope and used my laser bore sight to get it close. Shooting off of a rest at 25’, after about 10 shots with adjustments, I was dead center with 3 shot groups you can cover with your finger tip. Very pleased because there’s a squirrel eating the trim on my house and tomorrow his chewing days end.
38 Special, 1.9" snub, 158gr+p, Underwood hardcast SWC, penetrates 2" gel + 4" pine post + 7" water, and almost through 3/4" plywood.
I got the 357 all weather with side loader but no scope. You did not take the scope off like you said you wee going too. Does that mean you like it on al the time? Was it easy to sight in?
I've always wondered if I could use a 180 grain .35 caliber rifle bullet out of my .357 magnum rifle. I haven't found any suitable projectiles yet though. Using it out of an h&r .357 magnum 20" barrel rifle
Can you send me a link to your reloaded you are using in this video. Or all of the components. I am considering a Hornady set up do to a lower cost but I like how you just turn the top of the reloaded to change the dies. And I can’t find it on rcbs website
A hi and thx for your videos from Sweden.
I have a question and maybe a challenge for you. We hunt a lot of black grouse with rifles here basically there's to camps on which cartridge to use, 22 hornet or 6.5x55. both are accurate but have their own problems. 6.5 has to much reach when you shoot a bird perching a top a spruce the bullet has the potential to land more than a mile away and reloading 22 hornet is expensive and it's hard to source good brass for accurate loads. So my question/challenge is it possible to get a 357 load that groups under an inch at 100-110 yards out of a lever action rifle like the Henry big boy or similar rifle?
Very informative video. I recently got hold of a Henry .357 steel and I’m going to be working on some loads and I want to try some 170-180 bullets. Have you tried any .357s that big?
Weird, was just looking for something to load for my brass Big Boy in .357. Was hoping to see the 140grn with 300MP due to all the bizarre high FPS numbers published for the powder. Got a bunch of Montana Gold 140grn looking to try.
Did you screw the rail ring scope in the golden receiver? How did you mount the scope?
I have loaded for the .357 now for many years both handgun and rifle. I found when I first started that I needed to be very careful to keep my handgun and rifle ammo separate as to not explode my handguns. Since then I have learned to use a slower burning powder for all and now don't need to separate that ammo. Now I just use a colored marker to color the head of each case in order to keep them together. I have found the 140 grain bullet to be a good middle of the road bullet for weight and velocity. I have harvested many mule deer with my rifles and three elk. I of course do not take body shots at elk with a .357 because any elk within 100 yards or so is a head shot. If I hit it the animal falls on that spot. If I miss the animal walks away unharmed. I have never had one walk away. Since I like the .357 rifle so much I tried a .44 mag. in the same rifle but found it to be a pumpkin thrower. The point blank range was to limited.
Handloader magazine had a load with 140s that reached 30-30 velocity when using 24" barrels. Cant remember the powder though.
how did you get 19g of 296 in those ftx cases and still seat at 1.590? I cant get 17g in mine. does starline brass have that much more capacity?
I have the Henry big boy steel in .357 , 20" barrel with a Burris 2-7 x35. I use Buffalo Bore heavy load with 158 grain XTP bullets & I get 1925 fps average.I haven't tried at long range , but at 25 yards it will shoot ragged one hole groups.I've taken 4 deer so far with this combo , including an 8pt about 210lbs that dropped in his tracks at 12 yards.
Wow those velocities are crazy! I'm still pretty new to 357 Magnum. I'll have to figure out what powders are capable of that!
I'm hoping to find a good combo for my Henry BB using H110 and 158gr JSP. My usual loading of 15.5gr is great in my 4" GP100, but its pretty lethargic in my 20" Henry.
Just curious as to which primers you used? I'd say this video needs a do-over with different primers, and throw in some SRM's into the mix. Good for those heavy loads of slow burning powders.
I literally fall asleep to your videos every night..haha
wonder what vel. I would get from my Rossi R92 w/24" bbl?
I use 18.1gr of 296, and a 125 gr Hornady XTP hollow point. They chrono at 1850 fps from my Japanese Winchester 1873.
this was fascinating for me as someone who is looking into reloading 357.Id like your thoughts though, why wouldn't you go with the 140 XTP with the 19 grains of W296. That has 71 ft/lbs more energy than the load you said you would go with and a much better standard deviation.
Excellent video.
Another awesome video, thanks 👊🏻
have you looked into the heavier hunting bullets for .357? (i.e. 170 to 200g lead) ?
I take exception to your knocking shotgun hunting sir! I hunt souteast minnesota and we are shotgun only and hilly. My mossberg 500 with 3" accutip sabots is a one shot machine! Kills deer out to 200 reliably. No not rifle distances but a damn site better than foster slugs! Come on up we can shotgun hunt in style! Great vid as usual!
I know it's different video but have you used 300mp for 300-blackout subs or supers
Come on gotta love the Buckeye state!
maybe an old video, but still usable info! would do the same in my older marlin, but i had pretty good success last year working up 350 legend for cva scout rifle with xtp 147 gr and 125 gr tnt for ruger ranch bolt gun in 300 blackout. both shot one hole groups at 50 yds at max velocities and performed great in water jug tests at 50 yds. son shot the hell out of a small racked big bodied buck at 70+ yds standing unsupported freehand in tree stand with the blackout load and 1-6x chinese lpvo. here in illinois it could only be single shot rifle hunting and ruger with their plastic sled magazine well insert functioned great! your work ups on those calibers for deer hunting really helped me in thinking it all through....a fair bit of work/testing but very good results in the end. my eye sight is shot, so iron sight setups were more trouble than they would have been worth in the field hunting, but back in my younger days i would have plugged the 1894 mag tube and gone to the woods with some h110 loads!!!!
I have shot quite a few deer with the .357, all handgun. I have always used the same load, RCBS 162 swc with a g/c and 14.5 grains of 2400 and a WSPP. I never used a J bullet, but the Hornady bullet is as good as they get for hunting. I always used a S&W 66, and remember my longest shot to be about 25 yards. No deer ever ran over 35 yards so none was ever lost, either buck or doe. Over the years my longest shot on a deer was 125 yards with a .243. Your rifle should be plenty good for that range. I wish you good luck, your loads sound good as long as you don`t over load them, deer aren`t that tough but do require an accurate shot.
Yeah there was one day down at the range this guy was shooting a 270 had a Vortex scope I didn't catch which one it was but he was having the same problems you are having with his crosshairs was moving his Parallax was off to far as your loads I don't know if I wouldn't go with that 140 grain that was pretty sweet
Yup...that last group was pretty sweet!
Tried some VV N110? its pretty good to get high velocities in 357
What is your camera set up for the target to the note pad? Any info would be appreciated.
All cameras are recording separately and I have a separate audio recorder as well. All footage is combined afterward in my editing software. It's pretty awful and each one of these videos I post takes around 4-6 hours to edit, then 1-2 hours to render, then 3-12 hours to upload. Good luck!
Love your vids. A question though. Obviously the video of you shooting and the down range camera are not running realtime (shot to shot). It all has to be edited out for multiple reasons. My question is, do you let your barrel cool off between shots to obtain the most accuracy. All too often, i see people with pistols and ARs (especially them) running those guns clip after clip. Seems no one considers a hot barrel and its causes on accuracy (not you).
Great stuff!