That looks like a very handy bead roller set! The main problem here is taking too much bite, if you take much smaller depth runs you will find it much easier and get a straighter line, the vertical brace is really good, but you should use that as a depth stop for your bead position whenever you can, you just let one side run against the brace and that is one thing you do not have to worry about, the old Edwards machines had a built in depth stop, the awful bolt adjusters need to be replaced with a slotted screw with a pivoting handle, that is much quicker and will be plenty strong enough for the small amount of advance in depth, do not be tempted to let another person wind the handle! It will result in harsh words when your fingers go under the rollers! Stay safe! Chris B.
Ah, yes, one of these. I modified mine as others have mentioned. 1 inch square steel tube welded to the back to stiffen it. A new T handle for the main tightening bold. A spring between the frame and the top rollers to help lift it off. And I used a windscreen wiper motor and bicycle chain and sprockets with a 12 volt reversible speed controller and foot pedal to control it. If the wheels have a lock grub screw I never used the end bolts. I only use them on my home made dies. For a tipping die I just used an 3mm steel disc that was the middle bit left from a hole cut with a big hole saw. I machined up a simple plastic lower die. I never do up those back bolts really tight. You need enough tension so the top roller bar can mode up and down but not in and out. The problem then is they come loose. I was going to replace them with studs and nylock nuts so I can set the tension then leave them. The lower one you do up tight of course.
Nice of them to send you the bead roller to test out. I have a similar one that I have modified extensively. But the first thing I did was ditch the crank and replace it with a cheap pressed steel steering wheel, it makes a world of difference for turning the dies. Take care Mr Tweed
I've had one of these for a few years. I've made panels for Range Rovers, Land Rovers and a Tr7 so far. I have braced mine, made a T handle for the top and used a quick release handle on the vertical lock. I put a radius on the bead dies but I've also made a tipping die which is very useful for door skin Edge repairs. They are cheap and cheerful but wonderfully useful. I'm assuming you will be taking delivery of their shrinker stretcher next to compliment this.
Hi Andy, thanks for those ideas, i have a few bubbling away in the old noggin, definitely a handle and tidy the dies up first .......and yes a shrinker/stretcher would be useful for wing repairs on Gladstone 🙂
You make a good salesman.. I have absolutely no use for such a machine yet after hearing your pitch, I feel my life will be empty without one. Cheers from the shed
Just watched the Kustom video, I can see you doing machining work on your standard set to improve them! Looks a nice bit of kit and professional results look possible - finishing off the beads with the cut down punch - a la Kustom - makes it look much better - how good were the factory beads on the Riley in comparison? Look forward to seeing the new steelwork! Thanks for sharing!
You are quite right, the beads aren't that uniform. The dies will be getting a bit of finishing on them, I've fitted an old handwheel following Redneck Coachworks suggestion and that makes it a lot easier to use .
I may just have to treat myself. Save me having to snaffle the one at work! It really helps to have an assistant turn the handle for you. We did soften the edges of all of the rollers at work, it stops them digging in and marking the edges of the bead. Best wishes, Dean.
Thanks Dean, the rollers will be passed to the lathe department for fettling.......and i have a few 24 volt motors kicking around that may be used to replace Jenkins 🙂
@@TweedsGarage the motorised versions are a dream. Sadly government budgets never ran to one! When I worked in the sheet metal repair department, the machine was mostly used on aluminium sheet. The sharp edges really did cause a problem. A fettle in the lathe does work wonders.
@retromechanicalengineer following the suggestion of Redneck Coachworks i popped down the garage to find the old hand wheel i picked up at a factory sale the other year......and it fits right on in place of the handle and makes it a whole lot easier to work it single handedly.......one of those victorious " told you it would come in handy some day" 😁
"A ruler is the Queen and a rule is for measuring" they'd say at school when we got reprimanded for calling a rule a ruler......and probably rapped across the knuckles with said rule.....
You could use the clamp that you fitted for a guide. I'm shure that you could modify it.😂. I have a planetary 12volt motor. Slow and very powerful. Any use to you?
I have some ideas bubbling away Vince. A powerful 12 volt motor would be very useful as motorising it would make it a lot more user friendly and i have a few 12 volt batteries kicking about the workshop 👍
Lets see, after 18 optional cost extras, motor, foot switch, strength adding side frame, spring return, fence, fancy deck and 20 rollers, etc., yep, it works great... I got carried away... Oh and a tension control spinner knob...
you're not wrong Paul, it was about 2 degrees below in the garage and the operator had to go back down the house for an evap coffee halfway through filming because my brain just locked up :-)
Unfortunately it places the handle over the frame so your arm would hit the frame making it impossible to get a full turn on the handle, but i have since replaced it with a handwheel which makes it easy to have your eye looking along the workpiece as you turn the handwheel.
After few more hours practice you'll be making the sheet metal guys at Morgan look like amateurs😂 I have to say that bloody Jenkins is hopeless. Not once did he offer to turn the handle for you.
That looks like a very handy bead roller set! The main problem here is taking too much bite, if you take much smaller depth runs you will find it much easier and get a straighter line, the vertical brace is really good, but you should use that as a depth stop for your bead position whenever you can, you just let one side run against the brace and that is one thing you do not have to worry about, the old Edwards machines had a built in depth stop, the awful bolt adjusters need to be replaced with a slotted screw with a pivoting handle, that is much quicker and will be plenty strong enough for the small amount of advance in depth, do not be tempted to let another person wind the handle! It will result in harsh words when your fingers go under the rollers! Stay safe! Chris B.
Ah, yes, one of these. I modified mine as others have mentioned. 1 inch square steel tube welded to the back to stiffen it. A new T handle for the main tightening bold. A spring between the frame and the top rollers to help lift it off. And I used a windscreen wiper motor and bicycle chain and sprockets with a 12 volt reversible speed controller and foot pedal to control it. If the wheels have a lock grub screw I never used the end bolts. I only use them on my home made dies. For a tipping die I just used an 3mm steel disc that was the middle bit left from a hole cut with a big hole saw. I machined up a simple plastic lower die. I never do up those back bolts really tight. You need enough tension so the top roller bar can mode up and down but not in and out. The problem then is they come loose. I was going to replace them with studs and nylock nuts so I can set the tension then leave them. The lower one you do up tight of course.
Thanks Simon, handy hints, I will be fettling mine, I´ve stuck a hand wheel on in place of the handle so far and that improves it no end.
Vevor Espana !! MrT. Nice simple piece of kit. Just the job for the floorpans. Best for 2024.
and the same to you Mr B
Nice of them to send you the bead roller to test out. I have a similar one that I have modified extensively. But the first thing I did was ditch the crank and replace it with a cheap pressed steel steering wheel, it makes a world of difference for turning the dies. Take care Mr Tweed
It was indeed Glen, I mean free tools are free tools!!!! You take care too.
A practical video that was very informative. Thank you.
My pleasure Tacman 👍
I've had one of these for a few years. I've made panels for Range Rovers, Land Rovers and a Tr7 so far. I have braced mine, made a T handle for the top and used a quick release handle on the vertical lock. I put a radius on the bead dies but I've also made a tipping die which is very useful for door skin Edge repairs. They are cheap and cheerful but wonderfully useful. I'm assuming you will be taking delivery of their shrinker stretcher next to compliment this.
Hi Andy, thanks for those ideas, i have a few bubbling away in the old noggin, definitely a handle and tidy the dies up first .......and yes a shrinker/stretcher would be useful for wing repairs on Gladstone 🙂
If you stretch the flat area at the end of the rolled beads, it straightens the panel back out.
@bobuilt10 I'm going to knock up some punches to finish the ends off which leave a nice round end to tge beads and take some of the panel stress out.
Good review and it looks to be a very useful piece of kit, I have a few bits of Velour's stuff in my workshop, for the moment I can't fault them
I think it'll come in handy Jason with repairs on Gladstone over time.
excellent review!
Thank you kindly Ken.
You make a good salesman.. I have absolutely no use for such a machine yet after hearing your pitch, I feel my life will be empty without one. Cheers from the shed
Look into my eyes, not around the eyes, look into my eyes.....and 3,2,1.....you're under......... buy it now!!!!!" 😁
😆😆@@TweedsGarage
Just watched the Kustom video, I can see you doing machining work on your standard set to improve them! Looks a nice bit of kit and professional results look possible - finishing off the beads with the cut down punch - a la Kustom - makes it look much better - how good were the factory beads on the Riley in comparison? Look forward to seeing the new steelwork! Thanks for sharing!
You are quite right, the beads aren't that uniform. The dies will be getting a bit of finishing on them, I've fitted an old handwheel following Redneck Coachworks suggestion and that makes it a lot easier to use .
I bet you have lots of funny shape bit of metal in your work shop.well done.
Yes, some fancy shaped pieces of scrap ..
That is going to be one very handy tool.
Indeed it is Terry 🙂
I may just have to treat myself. Save me having to snaffle the one at work! It really helps to have an assistant turn the handle for you. We did soften the edges of all of the rollers at work, it stops them digging in and marking the edges of the bead.
Best wishes, Dean.
Thanks Dean, the rollers will be passed to the lathe department for fettling.......and i have a few 24 volt motors kicking around that may be used to replace Jenkins 🙂
@@TweedsGarage the motorised versions are a dream. Sadly government budgets never ran to one! When I worked in the sheet metal repair department, the machine was mostly used on aluminium sheet. The sharp edges really did cause a problem. A fettle in the lathe does work wonders.
@retromechanicalengineer following the suggestion of Redneck Coachworks i popped down the garage to find the old hand wheel i picked up at a factory sale the other year......and it fits right on in place of the handle and makes it a whole lot easier to work it single handedly.......one of those victorious " told you it would come in handy some day" 😁
Thank you - for referring to your measuring instrument as a rule - and not as a *shudder* ruler.
"A ruler is the Queen and a rule is for measuring" they'd say at school when we got reprimanded for calling a rule a ruler......and probably rapped across the knuckles with said rule.....
You could use the clamp that you fitted for a guide. I'm shure that you could modify it.😂. I have a planetary 12volt motor. Slow and very powerful. Any use to you?
I have some ideas bubbling away Vince. A powerful 12 volt motor would be very useful as motorising it would make it a lot more user friendly and i have a few 12 volt batteries kicking about the workshop 👍
Very nice bead roller
I think its going to be very useful
It’s a shame they do not come with a tipping die and roller, it would be really useful feature
it is, but they aren't too difficult to knock up and they are available from eBay, if I knock one I´ll stick it in a video.
Lets see, after 18 optional cost extras, motor, foot switch, strength adding side frame, spring return, fence, fancy deck and 20 rollers, etc., yep, it works great... I got carried away... Oh and a tension control spinner knob...
Extra rollers already being looked at ........and i have a few 24 volt motors kicking around 😁
You and your dog would be an asset to Aston Martin ❤
they'd never get any cars built, he'd be demanding belly strokes from the workforce :-)
@@TweedsGarage I know someone who works for Aston in Auckland, I believe he’s the same 😆
😂😂
There is sum huffin and a puffin going on...is there a need to warm up (the operator) before use?
you're not wrong Paul, it was about 2 degrees below in the garage and the operator had to go back down the house for an evap coffee halfway through filming because my brain just locked up :-)
needs a bigger hammer?
MR tWEED JUST AN IDER TRY DOING MULTYBUL PASSES STARTING WITH A SETTING PASS THEN GOING DEAPER ,
I have tried it but you tend to end up with extra tram lines and marking.
You need an edge guide
I have plans......😏
Cuddly Toy for you Mr T.
Hopefully a Goblin Teasmade next time 😄
Urn the handle around so that you don't, have to stretch so far
Unfortunately it places the handle over the frame so your arm would hit the frame making it impossible to get a full turn on the handle, but i have since replaced it with a handwheel which makes it easy to have your eye looking along the workpiece as you turn the handwheel.
Hello can you help me please I have kasawaki but need to fix I want to ask you work but something missing but I don't know🥺plsss
Turbo Conquering Mega Eagle did a cracking couple of videos on improving these budget bead rollers, check it out 👍👍
I will do 👍
If you can help me please..
Let me know the problem and i will try to help.
After few more hours practice you'll be making the sheet metal guys at Morgan look like amateurs😂
I have to say that bloody Jenkins is hopeless. Not once did he offer to turn the handle for you.
He was too busy trying to unblock the liquorice tube from his Shebert Fountain 🙄
🤣🤣....he hasn't been meddling with your pipe cleaners,I hope. @@TweedsGarage
@howardosborne8647 no they've been locked away after having to remove one from his nose.....