I've been teaching for a while and my few successful students learnt by watching movies, playing games etc. They have no "grammar" but know how to use the language. I myself learnt reading books and watching movies. On the other hand, the majority of learners will hardly get there though they have been studying for 3, 4, 5 etc years.
Yes! Great! Now how do I convince the English as a Foreign Language school where I work to kick out all the boring grammar books and bring in interesting stuff? Feels like a lost cause :(
Thats an interesting comment. Essentially large group teaching can be little else than conventional methods, I feel. I have been there and listening to a teach drone on trying to get us to assimilate the language doesnt work. However teaching yourself is a whole different thing! I do feel that what is really needed is a #Personal tutor#...like him. SOmeone to discuss your innermost approach, something that changes ....and to best arrive at the point you want to be at.
It's crazy isn't it. One would think that, after language acquisition methods like Stephen Krashen's have been shown, in study after study and experiment after experiment, to work far better than other methods, schools and colleges would be desperate to adopt them. Yet it's been nearly half a century that we've known about these methods and virtually no school incorporates ANY of them. Instead they continue to use methods that have proven useless at instilling language competence in even the most diligent students.
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Hi, many people have a lot of vocabulary they think we know a lot of vocabulary but don't when it comes to conversation with someone else then they forget and they get stuck and frustrated because they have learned the traditional way its called skill full hypotheses is delayed gratification but comprehension hypothesis immediate gratification however the language acquisition understanding intensely receiving many examples with a native speaker then you get leads confidence then can speak without thinking this called comprehensible input I was learning the same traditional way when saw Stephen krashan videos and one person he has the same technique I could not show his name
By "acquisition without learning"(15:00) , do you mean where "learning" means "formal learning"? Is this a colloquial use of the term learning or a formal one? Thanks
Delayed gratification gives us civilisation. Instant gratification was when I sent someone in India money to build an extra bedroom and he spent it on a holiday.
@@propofol-98 Thanks. But I dont think he really should be saying its #all easy# .. Arabic like most languages is tough and listening to it for years isnt going to teach it to you with no effort.
@@propofol-98 Yes Thank you for your reply. All you say is correct but there is some muddled thinking with this Mr Kaufmann...and I think he knows it too....avoiding saying exactly how he can make language learning easy for everyone in future. He makes the simple comparison to children, which is a lazy way of saying we can all learn languages like they do..which is not true at all. And he makes the additional comparison to learning in a classroom for years and not achieveing anything at all. Both of which I view as false comparisons. Firstly children still take 10 years to get anywhere in a language and have for much of the time one-to-one 24-7 teachers who adore them. Secondly in a classroom of 30 difficult and often uncommitted students the only way forward, is to learn the rules.... and hope that a few of them will progress. What HE is talking to are single, mature, and committed language learners! It's a different thing all together then, when you are 62years old. One needs to progress and there are different tools to make this happen... reading; TV; FILMS; comics; a partner and immersion... I lived in Dubai for 8 years and never learned Arabic. I was not committed.
@@andyharpist2938 if he tells people that Language learning is tough, boring and stressful sometimes, no one will invite him to speak. So speak what sells. One thing is correct, lowering anxiety is very important for grasping new language.
I don't know man, he sounds like a scam artist. He says one is win win, other is lose lose. I wouldn't listen from him what skill building hypothesis is. He doesn't represent it properly from what he says. "One is painful. The other is pleasant." "You know more words than a US president!" What the hell does that sound like? Sounds like he's trying to sell me something doesn't he? Very populist remarks. Who needs populist remarks? One whose point sucks and he needs these remarks to get people to accept his flawed point. That's what I get from him not gonna lie. And for my part I'd like to think I learnt the language through skill building. I had a pretty good education with grammar and without which I don't think I'd be able to connect sentences the way I do now. In university this guy has been taught to us as the go to guy for language. This and Noam Chomsky. Welp, one turned out to be a pedophile Epstein lover, the other, a scam artist. I hope I'm wrong on Krashen but most of his talk at least part 1 is empty jokes.
He might be entertaining but I don't think Krashen has ever taught a language - he seems to confuse the enjoyment reading can provide with learning a language. It is exactly the comprehension input that is 'delayed gratification' because you won't start speaking for years. Elsewhere he says you should read graded books for two years without trying to say anything. He ignores the importance of practice. Very misleading. It's sad that people don't analyse what he says more critically. Explicit input can get students speaking in a matter of minutes if need be. Research has repeatedly shown that adults do NOT learn in the same way as children, which is something he repeatedly denies.
Actually, if you look at this video (from the 70s or early 80s, here's part 1 th-cam.com/video/vh6Hy6El86Q/w-d-xo.html) he doesn't say that at all. He says a well-structured language class with comprehensible input and good guidance will probably have you speaking within 15 or so hours of input. There's not much gratification is practising a tiny amount of input. You really need to have been exposed to a lot over some time, which will vary per person. He also makes a difference between child and adult input. I've learned a few languages. I took classes for one of them in the country where it is spoken and rapidly progressed. However I had also completed three self-study courses before doing the entrance test and I had to use what little I had for living necessities. What happened in the class wasn't 'teaching me the language' because I already had a fairly decent vocabulary etc. It was providing me with models, opportunities to listen and speak. The teacher spoke in a particular way to allow comprehensible input and suggested output. After I passed the exams, I read a lot of books, which is what actually fixed the structures and provided more input. What Krashen says makes perfect sense.
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I've been teaching for a while and my few successful students learnt by watching movies, playing games etc. They have no "grammar" but know how to use the language. I myself learnt reading books and watching movies. On the other hand, the majority of learners will hardly get there though they have been studying for 3, 4, 5 etc years.
Doesn't use Powerpoint? I'm liking this guy more and more.
He is wrong technology lets you down 3 out of 4 times.
The points you mentioned on this video are wonderful. This is what I found out about acquisition. Very great information.
I would love to take some linguistics classes from this guy
Thank you for uploading these videos!
This guy is superb!
I'm not superb
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Thanks for sharing this!
great teacher challenge old way of education in language
Yes! Great! Now how do I convince the English as a Foreign Language school where I work to kick out all the boring grammar books and bring in interesting stuff? Feels like a lost cause :(
You can't. Grammar textbooks are a big business. Schools are a big business. :(
Thats an interesting comment. Essentially large group teaching can be little else than conventional methods, I feel. I have been there and listening to a teach drone on trying to get us to assimilate the language doesnt work. However teaching yourself is a whole different thing! I do feel that what is really needed is a #Personal tutor#...like him. SOmeone to discuss your innermost approach, something that changes ....and to best arrive at the point you want to be at.
It's crazy isn't it. One would think that, after language acquisition methods like Stephen Krashen's have been shown, in study after study and experiment after experiment, to work far better than other methods, schools and colleges would be desperate to adopt them. Yet it's been nearly half a century that we've known about these methods and virtually no school incorporates ANY of them. Instead they continue to use methods that have proven useless at instilling language competence in even the most diligent students.
Thank you for subtitles !! I could understand what he said.
Stephen Krashen :
Facebook'a 2 sene önce katıldım. Baktım ki halihazırda stephen krashen adında fan club açılmış. Grupta 60 kişi var. Evet bu güzel ama bir baktım ne göreyim. 30'u benim akrabalar
afsdafsdasad
Nice plug for The Grateful Dead before 11:00. Cool guy.
Hi, many people have a lot of vocabulary they think we know a lot of vocabulary but don't when it comes to conversation with someone else then they forget and they get stuck and frustrated because they have learned the traditional way its called skill full hypotheses is delayed gratification but comprehension hypothesis immediate gratification however the language acquisition understanding intensely receiving many examples with a native speaker then you get leads confidence then can speak without thinking this called comprehensible input I was learning the same traditional way when saw Stephen krashan videos and one person he has the same technique I could not show his name
Remarkable 🎉
Fantastic Krashen!
I love it!
Reading is actually an acquired skill.
By "acquisition without learning"(15:00) , do you mean where "learning" means "formal learning"? Is this a colloquial use of the term learning or a formal one? Thanks
Delayed gratification gives us civilisation. Instant gratification was when I sent someone in India money to build an extra bedroom and he spent it on a holiday.
This made me laugh so hard xD
You know the difference between salad and garbage?
... Delayed gratification.
Better than standup comedy
Black belt in power point, how funny :-)
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GOAT
Krashen okulumuza gelmiş. Ben ne halt ediyodum o zamanlar acaba.
9:53 till 10:50 🙌🏼🙌🏼
17:53
10:44 Open access!
This was in Turkey , right?
Yes in İstanbul,Turkey.
Spelling does not come from reading,reading is just word recognition.
He's a very good speaker that's for sure. But learning a language is not listening to a lecture.
@@propofol-98 Thanks. But I dont think he really should be saying its #all easy# .. Arabic like most languages is tough and listening to it for years isnt going to teach it to you with no effort.
@@propofol-98 Yes Thank you for your reply. All you say is correct but there is some muddled thinking with this Mr Kaufmann...and I think he knows it too....avoiding saying exactly how he can make language learning easy for everyone in future.
He makes the simple comparison to children, which is a lazy way of saying we can all learn languages like they do..which is not true at all. And he makes the additional comparison to learning in a classroom for years and not achieveing anything at all.
Both of which I view as false comparisons.
Firstly children still take 10 years to get anywhere in a language and have for much of the time one-to-one 24-7 teachers who adore them.
Secondly in a classroom of 30 difficult and often uncommitted students the only way forward, is to learn the rules.... and hope that a few of them will progress.
What HE is talking to are single, mature, and committed language learners!
It's a different thing all together then, when you are 62years old.
One needs to progress and there are different tools to make this happen... reading; TV; FILMS; comics; a partner and immersion...
I lived in Dubai for 8 years and never learned Arabic. I was not committed.
@@andyharpist2938 if he tells people that Language learning is tough, boring and stressful sometimes, no one will invite him to speak. So speak what sells. One thing is correct, lowering anxiety is very important for grasping new language.
@@desisnowboarder462 Yes. He is indeed selling.
I don't know man, he sounds like a scam artist. He says one is win win, other is lose lose. I wouldn't listen from him what skill building hypothesis is. He doesn't represent it properly from what he says. "One is painful. The other is pleasant." "You know more words than a US president!" What the hell does that sound like? Sounds like he's trying to sell me something doesn't he? Very populist remarks. Who needs populist remarks? One whose point sucks and he needs these remarks to get people to accept his flawed point. That's what I get from him not gonna lie.
And for my part I'd like to think I learnt the language through skill building. I had a pretty good education with grammar and without which I don't think I'd be able to connect sentences the way I do now. In university this guy has been taught to us as the go to guy for language. This and Noam Chomsky. Welp, one turned out to be a pedophile Epstein lover, the other, a scam artist. I hope I'm wrong on Krashen but most of his talk at least part 1 is empty jokes.
Your first three words hit it right on the head: I don't know.
In order to know, you had better do a bit of research on the man, and then come back.
He might be entertaining but I don't think Krashen has ever taught a language - he seems to confuse the enjoyment reading can provide with learning a language. It is exactly the comprehension input that is 'delayed gratification' because you won't start speaking for years. Elsewhere he says you should read graded books for two years without trying to say anything. He ignores the importance of practice. Very misleading. It's sad that people don't analyse what he says more critically. Explicit input can get students speaking in a matter of minutes if need be. Research has repeatedly shown that adults do NOT learn in the same way as children, which is something he repeatedly denies.
Actually, if you look at this video (from the 70s or early 80s, here's part 1 th-cam.com/video/vh6Hy6El86Q/w-d-xo.html) he doesn't say that at all. He says a well-structured language class with comprehensible input and good guidance will probably have you speaking within 15 or so hours of input. There's not much gratification is practising a tiny amount of input. You really need to have been exposed to a lot over some time, which will vary per person. He also makes a difference between child and adult input.
I've learned a few languages. I took classes for one of them in the country where it is spoken and rapidly progressed. However I had also completed three self-study courses before doing the entrance test and I had to use what little I had for living necessities. What happened in the class wasn't 'teaching me the language' because I already had a fairly decent vocabulary etc. It was providing me with models, opportunities to listen and speak. The teacher spoke in a particular way to allow comprehensible input and suggested output. After I passed the exams, I read a lot of books, which is what actually fixed the structures and provided more input. What Krashen says makes perfect sense.