I have been struggling understanding all of this and God brought me to this video!! I cannot say thank you enough for this video!! I now understand!! Best teaching of this I've watched! Especially the example at the end. Can't forget it!
I want to make clear I do not disagree with a word you say and I am a huge admirer of Krashen. I don't think he's ever said anything I disagree with. I do think, however, like so many other theories of language learning too many people think it is THE golden key. It is not. It is A golden key. Language acquisition is the ideal but VERY time consuming and much harder than people suggest. People need to be realistic. The contact hours needed for this method should not be underestimated. Remember as babies we are totally immersed in our language but still take several years to produce even basic sentences. As a teaching method in school it is fun, relevant and effective but the average teacher sees each class for only a few hours a week. Krashen's method unsupported by anything else requires much more time than that. You said your husband was effectively communicating after 2 or 3 years but really only with very specific vocabulary in very limited circumstances. The 'truth' is that language acquisition requires a lot of exposure, it requires carefully graded and well researched topics individually relevant to each learner, which a teacher faced with several classes of 30+ teenagers would find pretty impossible to gather. Krashen enthusiasts have always been a bit too vague on source materials especially for less commonly studied languages. I would say from experience (I have learnt about 12 languages) that if you want to 'acquire' a language the Krashen way within a year or two you will need to commit to at least several hours a day every day. You will need to find accessible materials which are stimulating and at the right level i.e. comprehensible input. You will need help and advice to do that. Don't get me wrong. I actually believe that learning the basics can be done in a variety of ways both traditional and not traditional but that fluency probably only occurs once you commit to something like Krashen is suggesting i.e. longterm exposure to the target language. I studied Polish for several years but only become fluent by spending a LOT of time listening to especially graded podcasts that I listened to for at least an hour or two a day. I recently watched a video of an American language teacher demonstrating how he acquired conversational Arabic in a little over a year using the method. It was very impressive BUT he was an experienced linguist, he put in hundreds of hours of practice, he had the help of several native speakers and went to study in Egypt for several months. Do you see what I mean? If you are leading a normal life, with a job and kids and other responsibilities 'acquiring' a language in this way without any back up from a variety of other methods, including grammar, is not a walk in the park. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I love Krashen but I'm wary of anyone saying 'hey, we've found the perfect way for you to learn a language'. There isn't one.
I'm not sure you're right. I think many people do get the idea that language acquisition can be much faster than language learning, and they're right in the most important way. In terms of how fast one can start speaking the language with a level of fluency (by which I mean the ability to speak without thinking about what you're saying), language acquisition is incredibly fast. It can come very fast indeed. For me, I was speaking fluently within 3 months of starting to seriously acquire German. Sure, my vocabulary was very small, and I was making lots of grammar mistakes, but who cares? It felt great, and it made me want to keep learning! This is the big difference between acquiring and learning. Sure, full fluency and full competence takes much much longer, but when you can confidently speak so soon, it makes you feel like you've overcome the biggest hurdle - and in my view, you have!
>The 'truth' is that language acquisition requires a lot of exposure, it requires carefully graded and well researched topics individually relevant to each learner Simply untrue.
Dziękuję about your learning experience with Polish. Are you still studying it? I am having difficulty with this language. Much harder to learn than Spanish
I think the effect of the affective filter is drastically underestimated. It's important to note that the affective filter isn't just activated by being nervous about speaking but can manifest in different ways, such as being frustrated with the acquiring process, caring about 'why' too much when hearing words and phrases, actually placing too much emphasis on the fact that you should be acquiring this language. The most amazing English as a second language acquirers i know never gave a damn about acquiring the language, it just happened to them through a need to acquire. Being annoyed, exasperated, feeling like you're behind or slow, being bored, feeling overwhelmed, this all plays a huge role in the affective filter in my opinion. I feel it myself when i dog on myself for not knowing more, it stunts my acquisition and always affects my understanding when listening. I also feel (can't prove it but i just 'feel' it from experience) that listening is the biggest determining factor of actual receptive and active fluency. For me, reading always gives me the words and phrases but it's the listening that really saturates my brain and makes me understand without even having to think about it. When i am saturated in content that has an aural component my brain begins to switch into L2 mode. I can't do it because i have a family, but if i were to do nothing but listen to/watch my L2 during all my spare time for like a year straight i believe my brain would change and simply accept my L2 with no fuss at all. I already feel this work with very little effort when i immerse for longer periods of time. It works like magic.
Yeah I get you bro. English is my second language and when I used to work at a call center, I had very little confidence in speaking English because I was always worried if I was saying it right or not. Over time, I just used the language a lot and eventually got rid of the fear of what other people think. I started to enjoy speaking English and now I can confidently speak.
What planet do these people live on? How can you expect an adult learner to wait for years but uttering their first words in the target language? What's possibly even worse is the number of people who actually share these ideas. Have any of them ever learnt or taught a foreign language?
Incredibly helpful explanation! You are one of the best teachers I have ever come across, thank you so much for this. Please keep uploading more linguistics n SLA related lectures
We don't expect a seventy year old to listen, like a baby, and go, "googoogaagaa." Krashen's practice is anti-academic because it takes rational, conscious learning and throws to feeling, gesture emotion, anti-intellectual thinking. Krashen's "theory" replaces science and knowledge with oblivion and ignorance.
Thank you for helping me to understand /having deep clear image of a zoom hypothesis- of 5 of them with good examples. Your presentation, remind me of school life experiences in learning English. Really interesting and meaningful.
I can't imagine anybody who has learned another language being on the other side of these hypothesis, all seems like common sense and obvious. Man it was easy in the 80's to sound smart.
I’ve been struggling to understand Krashen’s theory and now I get it! Thanks for uploading this video! You have made it very easy for me to understand it’s meaning and how it’s applied in the real world! Thank you!
Adults do not learn the same way that children learn. The brain before lateralization is a different place than the lateralized brain. Children absorb unstructured input like a sponge. Adults hang new information on previously acquired information. Children aren’t concerned with “why”. Adults have to know “why”. Children aren’t concerned with structure. Adults are ruled by structure. What is needed are structured language “input” programs aimed at adults and the way adults learn.
children likes to hang out and play with that new kid even they don't understand each other,good luck finding an adult like that,u need to pay now for wasting someones time😅
Thank you for your clarity. I read the information provided by my professor and just wasn't "getting it." Now I understand it so much better! Thank you!
Your explanation are beautiful like you mam. I have no words to say it's a crystal clear explanation I have never ever experienced that 🤩 thank you mam
The "monitor" is the voice in your head that says stuff like: "wait no that's wrong I can't say that." Whether it's about the placement of a pronoun or the conjugation of a verb or anything. It's basically a fancy way of talking about overthinking things, and how inhibitions can slow down your progress.
It's just that process of running the language through your head in a way you don't do with your L1. Like that sentence i just typed, my fingers went to the keyboard and it came out. No thinking about form necessary.
Its been more than 365 days since your comment, Shaine. Neverthless i would like to say that you are right with the concept of Monitor as a verb. It is that validation faculty in our mind that double checks our instinctive or calculative response before approving it for action.
+Shain Contreras Glad it was helpful for you. Very soon, I will be posting a really great 6 minute video of Krashen - sort of a synthesis, which was created by Deb Harrison. Keep an eye on "WinkWorld," which is my blog at joanwink.com
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0:35 The Acquisition-Learning Hypothesis
3:38 Input Hypothesis
4:26 Monitor Hypothesis
4:58 The Natural Order Hypothesis
6:11 Affective Filter Hypothesis
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I have been struggling understanding all of this and God brought me to this video!! I cannot say thank you enough for this video!! I now understand!! Best teaching of this I've watched! Especially the example at the end. Can't forget it!
Thank you so much!
God didn´t bring you this vdeo
I want to make clear I do not disagree with a word you say and I am a huge admirer of Krashen. I don't think he's ever said anything I disagree with. I do think, however, like so many other theories of language learning too many people think it is THE golden key. It is not. It is A golden key. Language acquisition is the ideal but VERY time consuming and much harder than people suggest. People need to be realistic. The contact hours needed for this method should not be underestimated. Remember as babies we are totally immersed in our language but still take several years to produce even basic sentences. As a teaching method in school it is fun, relevant and effective but the average teacher sees each class for only a few hours a week. Krashen's method unsupported by anything else requires much more time than that. You said your husband was effectively communicating after 2 or 3 years but really only with very specific vocabulary in very limited circumstances. The 'truth' is that language acquisition requires a lot of exposure, it requires carefully graded and well researched topics individually relevant to each learner, which a teacher faced with several classes of 30+ teenagers would find pretty impossible to gather. Krashen enthusiasts have always been a bit too vague on source materials especially for less commonly studied languages. I would say from experience (I have learnt about 12 languages) that if you want to 'acquire' a language the Krashen way within a year or two you will need to commit to at least several hours a day every day. You will need to find accessible materials which are stimulating and at the right level i.e. comprehensible input. You will need help and advice to do that. Don't get me wrong. I actually believe that learning the basics can be done in a variety of ways both traditional and not traditional but that fluency probably only occurs once you commit to something like Krashen is suggesting i.e. longterm exposure to the target language. I studied Polish for several years but only become fluent by spending a LOT of time listening to especially graded podcasts that I listened to for at least an hour or two a day. I recently watched a video of an American language teacher demonstrating how he acquired conversational Arabic in a little over a year using the method. It was very impressive BUT he was an experienced linguist, he put in hundreds of hours of practice, he had the help of several native speakers and went to study in Egypt for several months. Do you see what I mean? If you are leading a normal life, with a job and kids and other responsibilities 'acquiring' a language in this way without any back up from a variety of other methods, including grammar, is not a walk in the park. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I love Krashen but I'm wary of anyone saying 'hey, we've found the perfect way for you to learn a language'. There isn't one.
Krashen himself agrees with you.
I'm not sure you're right. I think many people do get the idea that language acquisition can be much faster than language learning, and they're right in the most important way. In terms of how fast one can start speaking the language with a level of fluency (by which I mean the ability to speak without thinking about what you're saying), language acquisition is incredibly fast. It can come very fast indeed. For me, I was speaking fluently within 3 months of starting to seriously acquire German. Sure, my vocabulary was very small, and I was making lots of grammar mistakes, but who cares? It felt great, and it made me want to keep learning! This is the big difference between acquiring and learning. Sure, full fluency and full competence takes much much longer, but when you can confidently speak so soon, it makes you feel like you've overcome the biggest hurdle - and in my view, you have!
>The 'truth' is that language acquisition requires a lot of exposure, it requires carefully graded and well researched topics individually relevant to each learner
Simply untrue.
Dziękuję about your learning experience with Polish. Are you still studying it? I am having difficulty with this language. Much harder to learn than Spanish
Thank you so much! That was real "comprehensible Input"! ;)
I think the effect of the affective filter is drastically underestimated. It's important to note that the affective filter isn't just activated by being nervous about speaking but can manifest in different ways, such as being frustrated with the acquiring process, caring about 'why' too much when hearing words and phrases, actually placing too much emphasis on the fact that you should be acquiring this language.
The most amazing English as a second language acquirers i know never gave a damn about acquiring the language, it just happened to them through a need to acquire.
Being annoyed, exasperated, feeling like you're behind or slow, being bored, feeling overwhelmed, this all plays a huge role in the affective filter in my opinion. I feel it myself when i dog on myself for not knowing more, it stunts my acquisition and always affects my understanding when listening.
I also feel (can't prove it but i just 'feel' it from experience) that listening is the biggest determining factor of actual receptive and active fluency. For me, reading always gives me the words and phrases but it's the listening that really saturates my brain and makes me understand without even having to think about it. When i am saturated in content that has an aural component my brain begins to switch into L2 mode. I can't do it because i have a family, but if i were to do nothing but listen to/watch my L2 during all my spare time for like a year straight i believe my brain would change and simply accept my L2 with no fuss at all. I already feel this work with very little effort when i immerse for longer periods of time. It works like magic.
Yeah I get you bro. English is my second language and when I used to work at a call center, I had very little confidence in speaking English because I was always worried if I was saying it right or not. Over time, I just used the language a lot and eventually got rid of the fear of what other people think. I started to enjoy speaking English and now I can confidently speak.
What planet do these people live on? How can you expect an adult learner to wait for years but uttering their first words in the target language? What's possibly even worse is the number of people who actually share these ideas. Have any of them ever learnt or taught a foreign language?
Not only is this person a great lecturer, she’s also a great story-teller!
Incredibly helpful explanation! You are one of the best teachers I have ever come across, thank you so much for this. Please keep uploading more linguistics n SLA related lectures
We don't expect a seventy year old to listen, like a baby, and go, "googoogaagaa."
Krashen's practice is anti-academic because it takes rational, conscious learning and throws to feeling, gesture emotion, anti-intellectual thinking.
Krashen's "theory" replaces science and knowledge with oblivion and ignorance.
Thank you for helping me to understand /having deep clear image of a zoom hypothesis- of 5 of them with good examples. Your presentation, remind me of school life experiences in learning English. Really interesting and meaningful.
Thank you! It was interesting and useful!
Helpful video in the acquisition of language. I realy inspired. Thank you so much
Wow thank you
I can't imagine anybody who has learned another language being on the other side of these hypothesis, all seems like common sense and obvious. Man it was easy in the 80's to sound smart.
This is why language learners tend to have a sophisticated background in reading ,yet the find it difficult to utter a single meaningfull sentence .
Thank you very much for such wonderful explanation . We really appreciate it . Looking forward to posting other videos about other theories .
I’ve been struggling to understand Krashen’s theory and now I get it! Thanks for uploading this video! You have made it very easy for me to understand it’s meaning and how it’s applied in the real world! Thank you!
Génial !!!!
Great message providing clear understanding about differences of acquire and learned
I enjoyed and learnt a lot from your video. Muchisimas gracias!!!!
Great. I am happy that it made sense for you.
Thank you Professor Wink. Can I cite this video in a presentation I'm preparing? I'd need to know when and where it was held.
Adults do not learn the same way that children learn. The brain before lateralization is a different place than the lateralized brain. Children absorb unstructured input like a sponge. Adults hang new information on previously acquired information. Children aren’t concerned with “why”. Adults have to know “why”. Children aren’t concerned with structure. Adults are ruled by structure. What is needed are structured language “input” programs aimed at adults and the way adults learn.
children likes to hang out and play with that new kid even they don't understand each other,good luck finding an adult like that,u need to pay now for wasting someones time😅
Thank you for your clarity. I read the information provided by my professor and just wasn't "getting it." Now I understand it so much better! Thank you!
thanks, I really learned a lot!!
now, I understing better the differences between acquisition and learning ☺
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Great.
The best description at all this is a good teacher .thank you so much
Wonderful explanation. Thank you!
can i take you home??I love how she explains!
Thanks, I have this theory on two subjects. Both teachers did not teach this theory properly!
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Thank you so much.
I loved this! thank you so much
I am so happy. Thank you so much ❤
Brilliant! Thank you a lot
Excellent mam thankyou 😍
Your explanation are beautiful like you mam. I have no words to say it's a crystal clear explanation I have never ever experienced that 🤩 thank you mam
Thank you Joan! Great ideas and summaries.
Great explanation
Thank you so much,this is helpful
Was krashen really the first one who thought about acquiring a language or did he just coined that term?
No he wasn't he just made it popular and he said himself people find it before him
Amazing explanation. Thank you
Super. Glad that it made sense for you.
Is the monitor in monitor hypothesis is the literal monitor device or the verb monitor? Thanks
The "monitor" is the voice in your head that says stuff like: "wait no that's wrong I can't say that." Whether it's about the placement of a pronoun or the conjugation of a verb or anything. It's basically a fancy way of talking about overthinking things, and how inhibitions can slow down your progress.
It's just that process of running the language through your head in a way you don't do with your L1. Like that sentence i just typed, my fingers went to the keyboard and it came out. No thinking about form necessary.
Its been more than 365 days since your comment, Shaine. Neverthless i would like to say that you are right with the concept of Monitor as a verb. It is that validation faculty in our mind that double checks our instinctive or calculative response before approving it for action.
nice mam
thank you so much!
+Shain Contreras Glad it was helpful for you. Very soon, I will be posting a really great 6 minute video of Krashen - sort of a synthesis, which was created by Deb Harrison. Keep an eye on "WinkWorld," which is my blog at joanwink.com
Totally subscribing to your channel! :D thank you. I'm currently studying Translation so I guess I'm going to be around haha :D
Merci!