I had the Avid Code R for 4 years. The braking power is unbeatable but now I use the Magura MT Trail (better modulation) Sometimes I miss the stopping power of my Code R..but then I remember the days when I was inexperienced and couldn't handle the force and went over the bars a few times.😅 I learned to get my ass off the saddle and shift my weight behind the rear wheel. People at the traffic lights were impressed how fast I could stop. They always jumped aside cause they thought I would run them over. Never happened any accident. I could ALWAYS rely on their braking power. Good times.
Hands do you guys put out the best videos actually explaining the difference between product lines and new products. Always pumped when I google something I want to know and one of your videos come up!
@@Tofusoldat I know this is a 1 year old comment, but whatever. Mechanical brakes are actually surprisingly adjustable - you can change the contact point by unscrewing the pinch bolt at the caliper, squeezing the brake manually and tightening it back up. This pre-squeezes the brake, affecting the contact point without changing the reach. I'm actually impressed that even the really cheap mechanical brakes have contact adjust, while with hydraulics you can only get it with high-end brakes such as Sram RSC levers and Hope Tech 3 levers.
Nice! Stoked to try those because I feel like my guide RSC's are just ever-so-slightly underpowered. If those are basically the same thing with a better lever and a little bit more power they will be perfect!
Magura brakes really just make adjustments in the lever, not at the pad and we've found that the Sram adjustment seems to work better because of the actual pad contact adjustment.
Yes, Sram's brakes line-up is a little confusing. So, how does the Sram MTB brakes hierarchy look like now? First one (the best) is "Code", then "G2" 2nd place and "Guide" 3rd place? "Level" at 4th place?
I think all brake should come with 2 adjustments. Contact point or bite point, and beginning stroke position. I am tired of "hacking" the contact point on brakes without bite point adjustment.
I was running the Guide for two years and very good and last year moved onto the codes and there very good and more power have modified mine with 0.3mm shims in the caliper and big improvement on feel but same power and Rsc adjustment still good but the pads need a bit of bedding in as the sram sintered pads are slightly thicker thn the organic pads but I always run sintered as there better no matter what conditions. I always run Shimino ice tech rotas as they don't warp and wear very good and cool very fast and you can put your fingers on my discs but if the solid sram they will give a very bad burn. I don't see the point off the G2 but hay ho! what do I know.
Question Jeff 🙋🏽♂️, would you recommend these for e-bike use? I had the G2 Ultimate grey on my stumpy evo alloy and they felt amazing. I now have a turbo levo alloy comp, but kind of itching for the grey finish again, but for my levo.
If SRAM would change over to mineral oil, then I would gladly give them a go..... but not until. Shimano needs to figure out their patented - but unwanted, Variable Bite Point syndrome of their current lineup. Magura needs to learn to work with metal and not plastic, er Carbotecture®, and Hope needs to do a lot for me to sell my kidney to buy a set.
DOT fluid works better in the cold and when spilled is easily washed away, any miscule of hydraulic fluid will show up and contaminate your pads instantantly. Shimano brakes feel like crap in less than 60f until you get some heat into them. Horses for courses.
The MT7s have the power to launch you over the bars faster than you can say G2. No really, a friend of mine has the MT5s with a 200mm SRAM Centerline in the front and it almost tossed me over the bars (I'm >100kg!!). Can't say much about heat management, but they have a dangerously strong initial bite.
I had XT up until a few years ago, but then bought a new bike with the deore base hydraulic brakes and they’ve been fantastic. I weigh 210# and have had no issues slowing down rapidly when needed.
@@levelheadsteve My bike came with MT500 (cheaper than Deore, also from Shimano) and 180mm rotors. I wasn't happy with the brake power (I'm 240lbs/109kg) so my mechanic put a Saint calliper onto the MT500 lever with a 203mm rotor and it worked fabulously for a long time. Once I've had the money to complete my Saint-brake setup I did so, but I have to say that it really doesn't matter what lever you use within the Shimano-system, they only differ in features, not power.
@worldwidecyclery If I got SRAM guide RSC brakes and need to replace one of the brake levers, can I replace it with a G2 lever or do I need to buy a guide RSC lever? Thanks
My new bike came with Guides. I had to use a two finger death grip on steep trails. Switched to Zees and am never looking back. The DOT fluid in the guides was also a hassle. For my drivetrain its Sram all the way. Pick and choose what works for you.
Not the end of the world, but DOT brake fluid is more corrosive than mineral oil. You need to be extra careful not to spill it on any painted surfaces. It is also a good idea to wear latex gloves. With my other bikes running Shimano brakes, it is a bit of a hassle maintaining two brake bleed systems. I know a lot of people that love the Guides. It’s hard for me to understand, as the lack of stopping power compared to Shimano is night and day. To each their own.
What brakes would you recommend for me. I don't want as much modulation as srams but more modulation than shimano. I am thinking trp gspec quadium. What do you think?
@@WorldwideCyclery I have currently got sram guide. They are good brakes but they always felt like they needed to be bled because they were so spongie. I am looking for a enduro/dh brake.
Hello i have a question. I want to upgrade my brakes on my dirt jump bike canyon stitched 360 pro and i want to know if it's worth buying sram g2 ultimate? Money is no limit!
Hi, trying to figure out which sram brakes to get, currently using guide R on my stumpjumper carbon expert 19’, using the bike primary for enduro, thinking about rsc’s theyre pricey thou, will they be worth it?
A friend pointed out that it might actually be near Suicide (Cheseboro) instead which also makes sense but still not familiar with it and I want to ride it. :)
With a perfect bleed, you really shouldn't have an issue running hydraulic brakes at altitude. They can definitely become an issue if there is air in the line though!
@@WorldwideCyclery two Brembo brake models in the Andes both bled. One works, the other doesn't. It works after descending to a lower altitude. The Andes and Himalayas still pose problems for MTB's.
@@WorldwideCyclery Actually have to correct myself, they are Lvl TL, but yeah I agree after reading more about the G2s. Or maybe you guys want to buy some of my organs, so I could buy some Hopes?
A buddy of mine was in the exact same position. He had a 29er 130mm trail bike with Level TL and 180mm rotors. First he went to a bigger front rotor (200mm) which was a good improvement, I thought that metal pads would have helped as well, but he got a good deal for some Magura MT5s and those brakes just launch! I'm not a fan of the lever design but those brakes are damn strong! And not very expensive!
@@AdrianSchwizgebel When you mention it, I have come to love the feel of the Sram, and the lever with the integrated shifter mount. I have been unpleased with the feeling of Shimano breaks previously, so maybe its a gamble to swap SRAMs for Maguras or Hopes. We'll see, maybe I should go 200mm in the front first to see the effect of that first
Curiously in the name of "ultimate" will we ever see a manufacturer make a Monoblock caliper? In this case the G2 is talking about the increased stiffness of the new caliper, but if they really wanted stiffer, and more precise feel they'd ditch the 2 piece design. I'm sure the reason is price as it would double if not more the cost of the caliper, but if we're going to call something "ultimate" shouldn't it be?
Yea they are gonna need to do some serious refinements to their entire brake lineup to differentiate one from the other in a significant way. Or is this supposed to be their take on the Zee brakes from shimano? Just a cheaper version of the saints. Either way I came from Sram and got tired of buying new dot fluid and hassling with bleeding my old RS brakes. Went to XTs like most other people and couldn't be happier. I think the common claim that Sram brakes have better modulation than Shimano brakes is overblown and also just a fancy way of saying that they have less power. Having ridden both brands I can say for sure that I feel way more confident with XTs than with my RS brakes that I rode for 3 years. Maybe at the wheel they had the same power, but through the lever that confident grab you get from Shimano is so much better than squeezing your levers to the bar when you really want to slow down.
Sure, if you skip the M9000 model, which are complete mush. And if you like useless "adjustments", since Shimano's free-stroke has done almost nothing for a loooong time.
@@shadowprice8100 Same here, M9020 XTR Trail's, rear brake has that wandering bite, nothing with the bleed. Front works fine, i'm thinking its something to do with longer hose; viscosity of mineral oil vs. DOT fluid. Just ordered the new G2 RSC's (no need for carbon lever or Ti hardware), hopefully they are the ticket! They are just as light as my M9020 trails too...
Sram have no sense for design! If you look on sram brakes you feel like the designer was sleeping. It looks ugly no sense for design! Make it more simple and more eye catching like apple doing it!
Only if you like binary brakes: on or off, not much in between. Not to mention the mushy mess of the M9000 brakes (and M8000 but not as bad). M9000 XTR was so bad they completely changed the clamp system for M9100!
Shimano slx on my full suss and sram G2 RSC on my hardtail (2 pot v 4 pot). Shimano are so much more powerful and have much better 'bite. There ya go, real world example.
I love SRAM everything!
These are awesome brakes. Came stock on my Santa Cruz 5010. I only have the G2r, but they feel amazing and have all the stopping power I’d need.
I had the Avid Code R for 4 years.
The braking power is unbeatable but now I use the Magura MT Trail (better modulation)
Sometimes I miss the stopping power of my Code R..but then I remember the days when I was inexperienced and couldn't handle the force and went over the bars a few times.😅
I learned to get my ass off the saddle and shift my weight behind the rear wheel.
People at the traffic lights were impressed how fast I could stop.
They always jumped aside cause they thought I would run them over.
Never happened any accident.
I could ALWAYS rely on their braking power.
Good times.
Finally Sram dropped something real good!
Hands do you guys put out the best videos actually explaining the difference between product lines and new products. Always pumped when I google something I want to know and one of your videos come up!
Thanks for the kind words 😊
Hope's bite-point/pad-contact adjust on the Tech 3 levers works great, too!
Justin White even the Shimano XT one works .. it works in a totally weird and counter intuitive way but it does work.
+1 I run the Tech 3 E4s as well and love them! The tool-free adjustment knobs work great
Sweet video! Glad i found it when looking to upgrade my guide r brakes 🙈 cannot wait for them to arrive! 👌🏻
You can adjust the contact point on all mechanical brakes too
#woosh!
Ian Holmquist how?
@@ianholmquist8492 what you're talking about is the reach adjust and not the contact point adjust...
@@Tofusoldat I know this is a 1 year old comment, but whatever. Mechanical brakes are actually surprisingly adjustable - you can change the contact point by unscrewing the pinch bolt at the caliper, squeezing the brake manually and tightening it back up. This pre-squeezes the brake, affecting the contact point without changing the reach. I'm actually impressed that even the really cheap mechanical brakes have contact adjust, while with hydraulics you can only get it with high-end brakes such as Sram RSC levers and Hope Tech 3 levers.
Nice! Stoked to try those because I feel like my guide RSC's are just ever-so-slightly underpowered. If those are basically the same thing with a better lever and a little bit more power they will be perfect!
I think you may have just found "the one"...
Magura have a pressure point adjustment as well. What is the difference between the two?
The difference is that Maguras are better.
Magura brakes really just make adjustments in the lever, not at the pad and we've found that the Sram adjustment seems to work better because of the actual pad contact adjustment.
The difference is maguras are made out of plastic n all the important places where they break.
Please do a video on the Sram brakes.
I bet those things hit HARD
Always.
Running Guide RS and really would love the contact point adjust. Couldn't justify going to Guide RSC but these may convince me
Being a little patriotic there with the one red glove one white glove and blue bike LoL
If you are not a weight weenie why not go with the codes over these? I'm buying new breaks asap! I hate the guide R breaks on my 2018 trek fuel!
Shimano 😍
What do you guys think of the new G2 brakes? Are you guys fans of SRAM or Shimano, or maybe another brand like TRP or Magura. Let us know!
Do these get sticky when the bike gets hot, like the codes?
How’s the brake noise? SRAM’s on my Bronson and XTR on my Blur. The SRAMs are so noisy and XTRs are nice and quiet.
That’s why I switched to Shimano several years ago. Couldn’t handle the noisy SRAM brakes.
During testing we hadn't noticed any unusual noise.
Yes, Sram's brakes line-up is a little confusing.
So, how does the Sram MTB brakes hierarchy look like now? First one (the best) is "Code", then "G2" 2nd place and "Guide" 3rd place? "Level" at 4th place?
Exactly.
I think all brake should come with 2 adjustments. Contact point or bite point, and beginning stroke position. I am tired of "hacking" the contact point on brakes without bite point adjustment.
this is sickk!! was just looking for some new brakes
I was running the Guide for two years and very good and last year moved onto the codes and there very good and more power have modified mine with 0.3mm shims in the caliper and big improvement on feel but same power and Rsc adjustment still good but the pads need a bit of bedding in as the sram sintered pads are slightly thicker thn the organic pads but I always run sintered as there better no matter what conditions. I always run Shimino ice tech rotas as they don't warp and wear very good and cool very fast and you can put your fingers on my discs but if the solid sram they will give a very bad burn. I don't see the point off the G2 but hay ho! what do I know.
Question Jeff 🙋🏽♂️, would you recommend these for e-bike use? I had the G2 Ultimate grey on my stumpy evo alloy and they felt amazing. I now have a turbo levo alloy comp, but kind of itching for the grey finish again, but for my levo.
If SRAM would change over to mineral oil, then I would gladly give them a go..... but not until. Shimano needs to figure out their patented - but unwanted, Variable Bite Point syndrome of their current lineup. Magura needs to learn to work with metal and not plastic, er Carbotecture®, and Hope needs to do a lot for me to sell my kidney to buy a set.
Well said
I sold my kidney but them those brakes are awesome!
The new XTRs are the answer to all my problems. More expensive then Hope's, and back ordered for months unfortunately. Gotta sell a lung to get a set.
formula ftw
DOT fluid works better in the cold and when spilled is easily washed away, any miscule of hydraulic fluid will show up and contaminate your pads instantantly. Shimano brakes feel like crap in less than 60f until you get some heat into them. Horses for courses.
Been going back and forth trying to decide between the G2 Ultimate and the Magura MT7's any thoughts?
I would give the G2's a try.
The MT7s have the power to launch you over the bars faster than you can say G2.
No really, a friend of mine has the MT5s with a 200mm SRAM Centerline in the front and it almost tossed me over the bars (I'm >100kg!!). Can't say much about heat management, but they have a dangerously strong initial bite.
SLX all the way
I had XT up until a few years ago, but then bought a new bike with the deore base hydraulic brakes and they’ve been fantastic. I weigh 210# and have had no issues slowing down rapidly when needed.
@@levelheadsteve My bike came with MT500 (cheaper than Deore, also from Shimano) and 180mm rotors. I wasn't happy with the brake power (I'm 240lbs/109kg) so my mechanic put a Saint calliper onto the MT500 lever with a 203mm rotor and it worked fabulously for a long time. Once I've had the money to complete my Saint-brake setup I did so, but I have to say that it really doesn't matter what lever you use within the Shimano-system, they only differ in features, not power.
I have Xt and Xtr . Not really a fan . I know a lot of folks do . Need to give SRAM a try out
I like shimano brake
Are those Rainbow Descendant bars? On the blue Yeti, can’t find those anywhere.
@worldwidecyclery If I got SRAM guide RSC brakes and need to replace one of the brake levers, can I replace it with a G2 lever or do I need to buy a guide RSC lever? Thanks
My new bike came with Guides. I had to use a two finger death grip on steep trails. Switched to Zees and am never looking back. The DOT fluid in the guides was also a hassle. For my drivetrain its Sram all the way. Pick and choose what works for you.
I'm just curious why DOT fluid is a hassle
Not the end of the world, but DOT brake fluid is more corrosive than mineral oil. You need to be extra careful not to spill it on any painted surfaces. It is also a good idea to wear latex gloves.
With my other bikes running Shimano brakes, it is a bit of a hassle maintaining two brake bleed systems.
I know a lot of people that love the Guides. It’s hard for me to understand, as the lack of stopping power compared to Shimano is night and day. To each their own.
What brakes would you recommend for me. I don't want as much modulation as srams but more modulation than shimano. I am thinking trp gspec quadium. What do you think?
Trp was exactly what I was going to suggest! Have you seen our review on those brakes? Just what you are looking for.
@@WorldwideCyclery I have currently got sram guide. They are good brakes but they always felt like they needed to be bled because they were so spongie. I am looking for a enduro/dh brake.
can you adjust the contact point of adjustment to make them feel like shimano brakes cause i LOVE shimano brakes
Cool products
Will the G2 RSC Lever assemby be compatible with Guide Caliber? I currently have a Guide T.
When will the renthal limited stealth bars be in stock?
We have all variants in stock now! www.worldwidecyclery.com/pages/search-results-page?q=renthal+stealth
Hello i have a question. I want to upgrade my brakes on my dirt jump bike canyon stitched 360 pro and i want to know if it's worth buying sram g2 ultimate? Money is no limit!
Hi, trying to figure out which sram brakes to get, currently using guide R on my stumpjumper carbon expert 19’, using the bike primary for enduro, thinking about rsc’s theyre pricey thou, will they be worth it?
hows the marzocchi bomber cr coil shock?
One of our guys tried one out and definitely liked it. We don't have a long term review but it's solid so far.
What torque setting for brake levers on carbon bars would you recommend?
What trail are you riding at the end of the video? I figure it is in Dos Vientos but I don't think I have ever seen it before.
That is in Dos Vientos, one of a few new trails near the water tower.
A friend pointed out that it might actually be near Suicide (Cheseboro) instead which also makes sense but still not familiar with it and I want to ride it. :)
@@WorldwideCyclery This watertower? goo.gl/maps/DXXx4R4ySUF2
What is the largest rotor diameter & thickness that can be use?
And for Canadians, at minus 20 degrees celcius, Sram brakes keep working properly. Unlike Shimanos.
Jose Rene Ducharme And on the other end of that on a very hot day my sram guides seized up. Through them in the garbage
@@ProMountainBiker humm. Never had that issue and it gets hotter than 100°F here in the summer
Do the magura brake reach adjusters work?
When will a manufacturer build something for high altitude?
With a perfect bleed, you really shouldn't have an issue running hydraulic brakes at altitude. They can definitely become an issue if there is air in the line though!
@@WorldwideCyclery two Brembo brake models in the Andes both bled. One works, the other doesn't. It works after descending to a lower altitude.
The Andes and Himalayas still pose problems for MTB's.
Que the shimano fan boys...
i have SRAM G2 RSC on a new bike, front brakes are rubbing , suggestions?
Where is the trail at end of video?
Hope
What about the g2 R ?
Is it possible to use 160 rotor for rear brake?
Depends if your bike frame can fit it
@@theadventuregamer6693 ok, thanxs
would anyone say that the G2 Rsc would be Too powerful for a person that only climbs for the decent and just so happens to be on a 130/130 bike?
Nope, I would say the g2 would be a good brakes for your type of riding
I bought a trailbike last year, feeling a bit underbraked on my 29er 140mm travel bike with Sram Level T. Should I go guide or G2?
I'd say try out the G2, it would be an awesome upgrade.
@@WorldwideCyclery Actually have to correct myself, they are Lvl TL, but yeah I agree after reading more about the G2s. Or maybe you guys want to buy some of my organs, so I could buy some Hopes?
A buddy of mine was in the exact same position. He had a 29er 130mm trail bike with Level TL and 180mm rotors. First he went to a bigger front rotor (200mm) which was a good improvement, I thought that metal pads would have helped as well, but he got a good deal for some Magura MT5s and those brakes just launch! I'm not a fan of the lever design but those brakes are damn strong! And not very expensive!
@@AdrianSchwizgebel When you mention it, I have come to love the feel of the Sram, and the lever with the integrated shifter mount. I have been unpleased with the feeling of Shimano breaks previously, so maybe its a gamble to swap SRAMs for Maguras or Hopes. We'll see, maybe I should go 200mm in the front first to see the effect of that first
@@englok Good way to go! I think everyone that can afford 50 extra grams should have a 200mm in the front. It's free power and thermal capacity.
Oh God pleaaaassseee start shipping to India. Pleeeeeaaaaaaaasssseeeee!!!!!!!!
We do!
Curiously in the name of "ultimate" will we ever see a manufacturer make a Monoblock caliper? In this case the G2 is talking about the increased stiffness of the new caliper, but if they really wanted stiffer, and more precise feel they'd ditch the 2 piece design. I'm sure the reason is price as it would double if not more the cost of the caliper, but if we're going to call something "ultimate" shouldn't it be?
Hope can do it without doubling the price. Agree that a monoblock is a must for the "ultimate". Plus it looks bad-ass!
What do you think about grips for break levers????
brake
My Magura HS33 actually got that contact point adjustment too xD
My old saint levers from 2009 have free stroke and reach adjustments
But do they get spongy after long descends, that is the question. I haven't experienced sponginess with Shimano, just saying.
Yea they are gonna need to do some serious refinements to their entire brake lineup to differentiate one from the other in a significant way. Or is this supposed to be their take on the Zee brakes from shimano? Just a cheaper version of the saints. Either way I came from Sram and got tired of buying new dot fluid and hassling with bleeding my old RS brakes. Went to XTs like most other people and couldn't be happier.
I think the common claim that Sram brakes have better modulation than Shimano brakes is overblown and also just a fancy way of saying that they have less power. Having ridden both brands I can say for sure that I feel way more confident with XTs than with my RS brakes that I rode for 3 years. Maybe at the wheel they had the same power, but through the lever that confident grab you get from Shimano is so much better than squeezing your levers to the bar when you really want to slow down.
Brembo brake on the laptop😂
Once you go magura mt7 you can never go back
Yup
They fooled me the last time with there brakes.. Never had such shit for €450,- .. XTR brakes are THE BRAKES
Sure, if you skip the M9000 model, which are complete mush. And if you like useless "adjustments", since Shimano's free-stroke has done almost nothing for a loooong time.
I had xtr 2 pots, free stroke did nothing, had wandering bite point
@@just6979 Bleed them right and the free-stroke works wonders!
@@shadowprice8100 Same here, M9020 XTR Trail's, rear brake has that wandering bite, nothing with the bleed. Front works fine, i'm thinking its something to do with longer hose; viscosity of mineral oil vs. DOT fluid. Just ordered the new G2 RSC's (no need for carbon lever or Ti hardware), hopefully they are the ticket! They are just as light as my M9020 trails too...
///AMG
High Performance Carbon Ceramic Brakes
The Best thing for Sram brakes is to fit them onto Kids bike's and fit Shimano (or Magura) brakes onto all new bikes.
Is it not simply a case of fitting the biggest brake you can afford ?
I mean, who cares about weight when it comes to brakes
Keep it American. Keep it SRAM.
🤣🤣🤣
🤔🤔😎😎👊👊
Not wireless? 🤣
People actually like Guides lol...
Sram have no sense for design! If you look on sram brakes you feel like the designer was sleeping. It looks ugly no sense for design! Make it more simple and more eye catching like apple doing it!
SRAM just knifing Shimano to death, At this point SRAM cannot even see Shimano in the rearview mirror
Except in the brake world, because Shimano is so far ahead
Only if you like binary brakes: on or off, not much in between. Not to mention the mushy mess of the M9000 brakes (and M8000 but not as bad). M9000 XTR was so bad they completely changed the clamp system for M9100!
It cracks me up how the shimano fans slag these new brakes off without even trying them. Thats a really good mantra for life...
@@just6979 Thank you. Agreed! I like some modulation
Shimano slx on my full suss and sram G2 RSC on my hardtail (2 pot v 4 pot). Shimano are so much more powerful and have much better 'bite. There ya go, real world example.
Zee is prob still better xD
Wouldn't be surprised to see guides deleted as they are junk.
Meh, Shimano.
Ugly discs, dot fluid, no thanks, i’ll pass.
Everyone cares.... really. Why is everyone so afraid of DOT fluid?