High Rise MTB Bars? 35/40mm Pros & Cons Explained

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  • 00:00 Intro
    0:38 Body Position
    2:20 MTB geo, bar height, and suspension travel
    5:04 Raising and lowering the front end
    8:58 Spacers vs. high rise bars
    Mountain bike handlebar rise. What is it and how does it impact your ride? In this video, Jeff covers everything you could ever want to know about handlebar rise which includes flat, medium-rise, and of course, high rise as well as how to find the right bar height for you. We also cover the relationship between the handlebar and the number of stem spacers which in turn, affect the overall stack height. Because handlebars are one of the main contact points between you and the bike, it’s crucial that you find a handlebar rise that is a good fit for your bike and riding style. If you are a rider more focused on climbing, then you may want a flat or relatively low riser bar. On the opposite end, if downhill is your forte, then a handlebar with a higher rise like 20mm, 30mm, or even 40mm rise would be for you. More importantly, it can help alleviate back pain and keep you on the bike for longer periods of time. And at the end of the day, isn’t that what we all want?
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  • @WorldwideCyclery
    @WorldwideCyclery  3 ปีที่แล้ว +133

    What rise handlebars do you prefer?

    • @meirsnyder3460
      @meirsnyder3460 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      15mm

    • @felixklimm7225
      @felixklimm7225 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      35mm

    • @lirART-id1cb
      @lirART-id1cb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I put bmx Bars on my bike and use spacers to fit them in the stem. It's really compfortable. Everybody should do that

    • @zaca3673
      @zaca3673 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      40

    • @toneloke7489
      @toneloke7489 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      -35mm

  • @deepPuddlesarefun
    @deepPuddlesarefun 3 ปีที่แล้ว +452

    I appreciate a corporate company that isn't afraid to have fun with it's video edits, awesome

    • @dallasdandigitalproduction393
      @dallasdandigitalproduction393 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Hilarious clips. "Doc said i need a backinotomy" lol

    • @WorldwideCyclery
      @WorldwideCyclery  3 ปีที่แล้ว +143

      Well thanks! But we're not really a "corporate company" but rather a couple dozen goofballs selling bike parts 😅

    • @markmenditto2476
      @markmenditto2476 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Compliments to your editor. “Ok. This slip-up needs what? Yeah, goat lips!” Brilliant.

    • @saturupiah5940
      @saturupiah5940 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@WorldwideCyclery Keep doing what you do.
      You're informative and fun.
      Stay away of that Woke garbage.

    • @Klips005
      @Klips005 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are #1 at fun vids 🤙

  • @Serial-hobbyist
    @Serial-hobbyist 3 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    I really liked the freeze frame comparison shots to demonstrate the affect different rise bars have on a riders body position. Great video!

  • @royatkinson9905
    @royatkinson9905 3 ปีที่แล้ว +208

    NICA: national inter-scholastic cycling association
    NICA to Jeff: National intergalactic cycling association 8:37

    • @WorldwideCyclery
      @WorldwideCyclery  3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Haha check 10:58 got ya 😉

    • @bikeste
      @bikeste 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yup. Noticed immediately, but assumed intentional. Sarcasm confirmed!

    • @EstebanRapido
      @EstebanRapido 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@bikeste In SoCal, they've embraced intergalactic at times.

    • @royatkinson9905
      @royatkinson9905 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Worldwide Cyclery haha you got me can’t assume anything with your scripts

    • @GrizDrummer25
      @GrizDrummer25 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I read this before I got to that part of the video, but still couldn't stop chuckling when he just kept going like he didn't realize what was said xD

  • @alexanderwestphal3994
    @alexanderwestphal3994 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Shredding the 80mm rise Deity Bars on my 2020 Nukeproof scout 290 expert. Brings my bike to life.

  • @drewbarton3364
    @drewbarton3364 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Can I just say that from a purely OCD perspective, I was immediately VERY pleased that you were perfectly centered between the shelves

  • @carltonwexler5390
    @carltonwexler5390 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Dear Jeff,
    I just joined NICA and I won my first race last weekend. I just wanted to say thank you because if I had dent seen your add on TH-cam I wouldn’t have been interested in mtbing so thank you.

  • @awfully.average
    @awfully.average 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I was running 20mm bars , then i went to a 35mm bars PLUS raising my stem 20mm.
    I realised i could climb standing up without my rear wheel spinning out .
    Also i could feel the bike under me so much more , as in i could feel my bike rotating around the BB and the rear suspension feels so much better 👍🏻

  • @tommiesturkenboom3862
    @tommiesturkenboom3862 3 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    Recently went to 35 mil rise from 10 in combination with a 35 mil stem instead of 50, jumping and rough downhill became much more stable!

    • @isaaclopez5004
      @isaaclopez5004 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      What about your reach, my stumpjumper already has a short reach did you notice a difference?

    • @dansteadman2528
      @dansteadman2528 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      oooooo good to know. Been thinking about a handlebar upgrade from my 10mm rise al bar and i mostly ride downhill

    • @tommiesturkenboom3862
      @tommiesturkenboom3862 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      freeholeless50 tv yeah combined you do definitely notice that there is a bit less room between the seat and cockpit, and a overall more upright seating position. I’ve compensated a bit by sliding my sadle a bit more to the back!

    • @akabukiman
      @akabukiman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think you could have saved a lot of money trying some spacers first - at least if your steerer tube isn't cut down too much.

    • @darwinwagaman6576
      @darwinwagaman6576 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have done exactly the same & popping the front wheel up is so much easier. Much less effort when obstacles are close together & as you say the stability is well improved.

  • @BoiseG
    @BoiseG 3 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    As an old dude, I can say I definitely prefer a more upright riding position! OWWW MY NECK AND MY BACK!!!

    • @ShitStefanShoots
      @ShitStefanShoots 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      age 55 myself and 30 mm rise

    • @jimanastasio192
      @jimanastasio192 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Ditto! 55 y.o. and 30mm rise. The increase in comfort means longer rides, plus I think the higher bar shifts the weight bias rearward and seems to help me to pivot the bike around tight, low speed turns better.

    • @holyhank4519
      @holyhank4519 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Age 13 already my back and neck hurts

    • @jsv438
      @jsv438 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      ​@@jimanastasio192 Yes! Thank you! Exactly. When I get a riser-stem for one of my hardtails (for many of the SAME reasons you stated) they look at me like I'm putting something where it doesn't belong. I was a terror when I was very young, but I STILL want to enjoy beating the crap out of my bike in the dirt and the woods, it's just that my body tells me it's no longer a tough as the bike frame. I have a prolonged endurance when dirt riding since I've added the riser stem and/or bars to my bikes. A LOT more. And no more back, shoulder, hand, neck fatigue. Can you believe it? All that practically cured with a minor adjustment/addition. Hey I've noticed too, that tight control as you stated feels better to me as well.
      WHY do these "trends" always come from what's scientifically "proven" on the professional race circuits? Recreational & novice riders make up the overwhelming bulk of the industry sales. I have NO NEED to punish my body in order to shave 2/10ths of a second off my time, so THAT part of the science is useless to recreational riders like myself. I still can't understand why these bikes distributed for sales to a wide variety of physical body types don't have the steering tubes cut just a bit longer from the factory. You can ALWAYS have a few mil's or so cut OFF, but you can't ADD any material. If that were the case I'd put all the spacers under the factory stem and be good-to-go without having to customize the bars and stem JUST TO ENJOY a new bike.
      I'm glad you you said what you did. LOL! You got me on a rant--it's only because I've wondered about this for many years. Wanting to get this $5G bike for the spring and struggling with what the solution will be for the rise issue. Maybe go w/Deity riser bars anyway, but they SHOULD cut the steering tubes longer from the factory for consumer distribution models.
      ~JSV

    • @trevorsowers
      @trevorsowers 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      51 and I use a 35mm rise bar

  • @zaca3673
    @zaca3673 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’ve been waiting for this video from any channel for so long thanks guys

  • @lparker3446
    @lparker3446 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    8:37 "National Intergalactic cycling organization"? riding on the moon!

  • @bspan5380
    @bspan5380 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love this channel. I get more thoughtful and experienced advice than most anywhere else. Appreciate you doing it. I’ve ordered several things from the website and your prices are on point. Great customer service too.

  • @ninjaxero8080
    @ninjaxero8080 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This couldn't come at a better time. I'm setting up my cockpit better and I was just doing research on this topic. Good stuff, man.

    • @blangeleven
      @blangeleven ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here. I learned some things from this video. I went and tried a bike at a local shop and while the frame was definitely the right size for me in terms of saddle position and my ride style, the reach was a tad much. I ended up building out a custom version of that bike through a shop called Fanatik and specced more spacers, shorter stem, and higher rise bar. We’ll see if that works for me. I’ve struggled with low back pain for years so I’m hoping I nail it. Bike arrives soon.

  • @dallasdandigitalproduction393
    @dallasdandigitalproduction393 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    1.Props to your editor. The comedy clips were gold. 2. Love this channel. I always learn something new. Thanks to everyone for your quality work here. Cheers

  • @tombarbee729
    @tombarbee729 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve been waiting for a video like this for SO FREAKING LONG. Thank you!

  • @briankelly6113
    @briankelly6113 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very informative. Not only covered the hows but also the whys and the cause and effects.

  • @lukejasper5016
    @lukejasper5016 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I love how WC puts out so much content and also really good content even though their following is relatively small. Much respect, love your guys videos

  • @Ethanh734
    @Ethanh734 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I never considered stem spacers affecting reach. Thanks for the insight.

  • @harryls1283
    @harryls1283 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jeff, thanks for answering questions like that because they help us riders make better decisions on what to do to improve our rides. I was actually thinking about what height of handle bar to get and know I have a much better idea. I am a subscriber and I’m glad I am. Thanks again dude!

  • @jptothetree
    @jptothetree 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Love my 40mm bars on my Commencal. I'm doing hardly any climbing since it's my bike park / around town rig so I love the 40mm for control on the descents / jumps and for a more comfortable posture in general.

  • @SkateTutor
    @SkateTutor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    It would have been good to also include changes in stem length in this overall discussion as it's an integral part that affects body position just like high rise bars and stem spacers...

  • @175thStreet
    @175thStreet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excellent video as usual from you guys 👊👊

  • @derrick5507
    @derrick5507 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video Jeff!!
    Been searching for a visual and comprehensive review for a while now and stumbled on WC handlebar rise video and its impact on riding and I must say big thanks Jeff and WC team.
    As always, impressed with all contents you push out there: great unbias relevant knowledge with funny add ons 😉.
    Been a fan of the channel but being in the UK, never had the privilege of an order experience which I will assume must be awesome 👌

  • @ayadal
    @ayadal 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the videos. Keep em coming. I’m learning so much. Can’t wait to get my first mountain bike.

  • @andyginther8562
    @andyginther8562 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That was helpful, great job man. Very uplifting.

  • @brianhely3910
    @brianhely3910 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love WWC videos like this so much, just got another riser bar. I also think the trend of risers is due to dropper posts being prolific, and encouraging people to actually climb at the highest optimal point, hence makes sense to bring bars up too... But yeah as you said Jeff there's a lot of factors, also you said intergalactic cycling association, total paradigm shift, then a hair cut mid video, next level

  • @238assante
    @238assante 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite MTB channel on the Citadel.

  • @geoffsimons1235
    @geoffsimons1235 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great explanation of how spacers vs rise affects reach,thanks

  • @adlar2005
    @adlar2005 3 ปีที่แล้ว +151

    My homie has a 500mm rise on his Lowrider.

    • @dansteadman2528
      @dansteadman2528 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      thats a lotta bar

    • @trailrider3625
      @trailrider3625 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ahahaha

    • @bottipoika
      @bottipoika 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i use about 200mm rise on my hill climb klunker

    • @isaaccastillo3813
      @isaaccastillo3813 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lol they use steering wheels

    • @rob_cd
      @rob_cd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      YES

  • @raheemgahelable
    @raheemgahelable 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    40mm Renthal FatBar carbon 35 with 3 spacers under my stem, and I'll never look back 🤘🤘

    • @finkelmann
      @finkelmann 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That Renthal is so flippin stiff- easily the most painful bar i've owned (and a few of my friends feel the same). I ended up swapping mine out, was just too sore after any aggressive trail.

    • @raheemgahelable
      @raheemgahelable 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@finkelmann are you talking about the aluminum version?

    • @finkelmann
      @finkelmann 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@raheemgahelable nope. I get along with their aluminium bars. Its the carbon ones that broke me :)
      Btw, check out oneup's stiffness/compliance test chart. Renthal was indeed the least compliant, which reassured what i was feeling.

    • @raheemgahelable
      @raheemgahelable 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@finkelmann huh! Interesting though. I've the opposite experience with my carbon 35 Renthal. My friend got the same version aluminum, and it felt " harsh" a little on my elbow and shoulders. OneUp makes good one and it has good reviews.., also, the durability of the Renthal carbon is pretty amazing though.

    • @UltimateMTB
      @UltimateMTB 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@finkelmann I feel the same way, my fatbar 35 carbon bars feel extremely stiff, im definitely switching back to alloy on my next bike.

  • @jamieknight326
    @jamieknight326 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Super useful video. I have a spinal cord injury which has effected my core strength. Getting a levo and swapping bars and spacers has made it possible for me to ride again :)

  • @CoreySchmick444
    @CoreySchmick444 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another thing that you can do, which is what I just did, is moving the position of my bars in regards to rotation. I got a Giant Trance 29 and it has Contact bars with 20mm rise which is pretty normal.
    The handlebars felt a little weird compared to my hardtail setup. I noticed that the bars were slanted back and down, and I was going to get riser bars, then I decided just to rotate them "forward" in the stem. I don't know how it was supposed to be stock, but everything now lines up better, even the little stickers that tell you the specs about the bars.
    My bars now flare up and don't feel as cramped in the cockpit. I don't know if this is "kosher" or there will be any negative effects, but it feels a lot better. This video sure does a better job than the others on TH-cam as to the reasons why you would want to change your setup, kudos Jeff.

  • @sumoneskid
    @sumoneskid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I got a bike fit this year, where they put me on a slammed stem. I also got some pointers from a coach, who preaches dropping your chin and chest closer to the bars when descending for better control. Both completely contradicted what I though I knew about bikes. Basically I've been told, if you are flexible enough to drop your front end, its a benefit for both climbing and descending.
    I don't pretend to be in tune with my bike enough to know what works best, nor do I suggest I know what I'm talking about. But I just wanted to throw a wrench into the conversation and say there are different schools of thought on this! I always appreciate the videos Jeff! If I didn't get stung with duty buying products from the States, I'd be on your site all the time.

    • @catg9196
      @catg9196 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You should experiment with spacers on bottom of the stem. You’d be surprised how much easier it is to pull up on the bars when descending.

    • @mikeschneider4274
      @mikeschneider4274 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That guy must be an XC racer or road racer. When descending, you need to get back behind your seat. It's way easier to get back when you don't start off leaning forward, not to mention how much easier it is to hop big stuff.

    • @sumoneskid
      @sumoneskid 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mikeschneider4274 I know where you're coming from. That was my exact mentality too. New age coaching preach get low, instead of get back on the steeps. You might throw your hips back for a half second through a hole or off a drop, but keeping your elbows bent & hips over the saddle is a more active position. It's taken me a summer to start to get comfortable with it. I don't have any great videos/examples to recommend, but check out some DH and enduro racing. They'll be going faster through the steeps than I ever will, and you won't see straight arms or the ass off the back wheel.

  • @eddieeaves4390
    @eddieeaves4390 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just switched to a Raceface Respond with 1/2” rise, significant feel over flat bar.

  • @A.D.D.O.C.D.T
    @A.D.D.O.C.D.T 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good to see you mate ,some of my favourite videos.Learn session 👊⚡️⚡️

  • @idolhandsjabronie6517
    @idolhandsjabronie6517 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The movie references were on point on this one ☝️. Well played edit guy, well played. “Oh my back, my neck and my back”.

  • @jokermtb
    @jokermtb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm running a Spank Spike 800 Vibrocore, 30mm Rise, 780mm Width with a 40mm stem. Sweet spot for me. Been running risers on my bikes since the 90's when they first began to hit the market - I'd get people come up to me and ask 'What's up with that handlebar?" Being from an MX background, risers were inevitable for mountain bikes.....

  • @hope4surf
    @hope4surf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    LOVE my Deity Highside 50mm rise bars!!!

  • @chrisorr3919
    @chrisorr3919 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome video and at great explanation. Im not looking at changing my factory handlebar bars for but im definitely educated about them now if I ever want to change them.

  • @salaguirre1817
    @salaguirre1817 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for all the advice I just installed a Deity 50mm raiser bar on my Foes Fxr and rides like a dream

  • @sonnduro
    @sonnduro 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    wow thanks for the clip Jeff, seriously that was really informative, i dont like the look of high rise bars, the next handle bars i want to get are Enve and they come in a 10, 25 and 35, so I'm going to get the 25mm rise one, my current ones are 20mm so knowing that a higher rise bar will help with the DH stuff makes me more happy to go with the 25mm

  • @radorbad6978
    @radorbad6978 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I ride with 50mm riser bars, one of the benefits not mentioned is comfort in the air on big hits. Much easier to throw whips too. Feels more like a bmx than a xc or road bike.

  • @nickturner4150
    @nickturner4150 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like the bit with the goat. Brightened up my day.

  • @anthony6575
    @anthony6575 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video has helped me out massively.
    When I bought my Sight A1 I was right in between size Medium and Large.
    My instinct said get the Medium but only the Large was in stock.
    I do trail riding, jumps, climbs and down hill but always get a sore back on steep climbs, struggle to lift the front and always feel I made a mistake on choosing a size Large.
    This video has really solved my problems and helped me out heaps.
    Thanks from 🇦🇺 ✌️

    • @jmovision270
      @jmovision270 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m the same on my Roscoe 7 what all did you do exactly

  • @jdcunn11
    @jdcunn11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Just ordered 35mm rise oneup bars! Can't wait!

    • @jared_erickson
      @jared_erickson 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The oneup bars are rad!

    • @Dangeruss718
      @Dangeruss718 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Where did you order them from?? I can’t find them anywhere 😓

    • @jdcunn11
      @jdcunn11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Dangeruss718 thelostco.com, looks like they have the 20mm rise right now

    • @meganNefarious
      @meganNefarious 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Best bars everrrrrrrr!

  • @borthwey
    @borthwey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    If only things were as simple as you put them here... From my experience with a 29” bike with a 170mm fork, and coming from a long period with 26” bikes, I felt great with a zero rise bar and zero spacers on top of a flat headset. And this had nothing to do with how steep the terrain was. The factor that matters in that regard is stem length, and with a 31mm stem the fear of going over the bars was non-existent. I have been trying other setups more recently, including having the bar 40mm higher, and confirming that. I get no more confidence from a higher bar. Besides, the ability to pedal with a higher bar is not reduced, but increased. This is because even though the reach is reduced with more spacers, the rider area distance, that is, the distance from the bottom bracket to the grips, is increased. This is actually the true “reach”, more than the horizontal reach that only takes one dimension into consideration. Your rider area becomes more spacious whether you use a handlebar with more rise or raise the stem. Now, the thing about bar height for me is how much weight do you want your arms to support. I feel good bearing more weight on the arms and feel that I can control the front better. You’re riding more like a four legged animal, and with a higher bar you’re more “bipedal”. The “attack” ability is not influenced by this, though. So what is influenced? That is the question that I’ve been trying to answer. A more upright ride is less active, so one might become less tired, but I also miss that “action”. The mechanics are different, the way of working with the bike is different. Riding more upright is a bit “plainer” but I’ll try it a bit more to see if I get used to it because I like the increased rider area distance.

  • @wbhdev
    @wbhdev 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video! Great work guys.

  • @rgarzari
    @rgarzari 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!!

  • @alanhassall
    @alanhassall 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I am 5'7" with a 26" inseam. My arms are short too so I wanted a high rise bar with the desire to roll the bar back some combined with a 35mm stem. I also replaced the standard aluminum fork on my bike with the carbon fiber fork of the more expensive model. The bike is a little older so the fork was available at a discount. I cut it for a few more spacers, but was warned not to go to crazy with spacers. It turned out that my bike had come with a 40mm rise bar so the new bar only made a difference in that it was wider. I ended up going back to the original bar because I was worried about putting a bar end though one of my knees in a crash.

  • @sundayblack
    @sundayblack 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    60mm spank for the BMX feel

  • @joshuadoss1955
    @joshuadoss1955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No other TH-cam channel I sub to. Makes me laugh more consistently than yours
    Love the humor
    Oh yeah and that sweet sweet free info

  • @footballle5722
    @footballle5722 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome. Great educational video. I learned so much today. Thank you
    !

  • @marcelknop1
    @marcelknop1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Good Vid. I'm 197cm/6'5" tall and run 50mm riser bars in the quest for better stack height. I'm still below where I need to be by at least 30mm just to get my hands level with my seat. I'm running factory cut steerer (too short) with all spacers under the stem as well as a longer stem with 8 degree rise in an effort for more stack height. The issue is that bike manufacturers do not make the frame size geometry changes proportionate to the change in rider height as you go up the frame sizes. A sample of manufacturer frame geometry shows that small frames are for 155cm riders and XL frames for up to 197cm riders ideally. This is a 27% change in rider height, compared to an average change in stack height on most manufacturer's frames of less than 2%. It's therefore pretty obvious that a taller rider will need to go looking for more stack height by use of spacers, bar rise, steerer length and stems with a rise. To put it in perspective, the stack height on XL frames need to be at least 150mm higher than current geometries to be at the same proportional change to a small frame as that to the persons height. (This is obviously an oversimplification but you get the point.) Don't believe me?. Take a look at different bike seat heights compared to handlebar height on different size frames and you will note that on trail bikes, almost without exception the XL frames seat height will be significantly above the bars and for smaller frames the seat height will be level with or below the bars. In my experience the difference in handling and comfort as you increase stack height towards the more ideal level is significant, and in my case helps me to improve my speed a lot.

    • @peniakfoto
      @peniakfoto 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes! This is my problem too and I am just 184cm tall vith very long legs. So I am sitting on my trail bike like XC profi racer :)

    • @thomasmuller986
      @thomasmuller986 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bombtrack Beyond adv + ....660mm Stack XL

    • @thomasmuller986
      @thomasmuller986 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      But for road bikes the bike fitters recommend a higher difference between Bar and seat than for smaller people. I think the rule that on mtb seat and bar should be Level no matter S or XXL is just wrong.

    • @roetietoe
      @roetietoe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      agree !! with my 190cm 92 inseem it still feels small on a xl my seat is higher then my bars and indeed this makes a traibike feels like a xc bike.. i have gone from 30mm rise to 75 mm and now i feel more confident on little jumps.. thats what you want from a trailbike.

    • @wolkuz
      @wolkuz ปีที่แล้ว

      I had this problem before. Got new bike Nicolai Eboxx its super big. fox38 stearer tube is uncut and no place for spacers, also running 60mm rise. Top of the bige is huge and fits me, im 203cm

  • @nortondlcl
    @nortondlcl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    40mm Spank bars better for my 60 year old back 👍🏿

    • @patthewoodboy
      @patthewoodboy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I need to do this , running 10mm risers and its killing my 61 year old wrists

    • @dumbr2098
      @dumbr2098 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@patthewoodboy Burgtec bars are pretty affordable compared to other bars

    • @patthewoodboy
      @patthewoodboy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dumbr2098 putting on 30 mm risers from Renthal :-)

  • @RobHill00
    @RobHill00 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really helpful, something I was considering on my last ride, I’ve got 1 spacer left on my bars to move them up, that might just be the amount I need as I do sometimes feel like I’m stretched out a bit!👍🏻

  • @jasonclark7826
    @jasonclark7826 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dialed in Bro. Thanks for sharing. Great watch with great info.

  • @alexlogan9279
    @alexlogan9279 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My wife and I are running 50mm rise Spank Spike bars and love them.

    • @passionwithouttalent5894
      @passionwithouttalent5894 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Got those too and they've been nice and comfy. Plus I'm childish and it's funny to me when paired with my Funn headset it reads as spank funn

    • @thearoom
      @thearoom 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I got those ready to go on... How are they around flat fast turns though? Do you guys ride fast or casual?

    • @passionwithouttalent5894
      @passionwithouttalent5894 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thearoom I'm not fast but don't notice a difference between a riser ad a flat bar except the riser is more comfortable so I ride with that little more confidence

  • @namasaki1
    @namasaki1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    2019 Giant Trance E.
    30mm of spacers and
    Spank 50mm rise bars

  • @calypso2niner
    @calypso2niner 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid, thanks, Jeff!

  • @gaboleo94
    @gaboleo94 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i dont know why i havent seen this video before; this is like all i needed to know thank you.

  • @jared_erickson
    @jared_erickson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I usually run a 20mm rise bar, but I do like the riding position of the higher rise bar... maybe I will try a 35mm rise next time!

    • @rolux4853
      @rolux4853 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Go for it!
      I recently changed from a nearly flat Thompson Ti bar to a high rise sq labs bar.
      Also I got the shortest Renthal stem available for better maneuverability.
      The riding position got so much more comfortable and I’m way more confident on the bike!
      Even while ascending, but I guess that comes from the massive 16 deg backsweep of the SQ Labs bar.
      It gives me so much more power over the front of my bike, since my arm and shoulder position is now perfectly aligned.
      It almost feels like cheating!
      The only thing I regret, is that I haven’t discovered this earlier.
      From now on all my bikes will get the SQ Labs bars with the most backsweep and rise.
      I can’t believe I’ll say this, but the upgrades bars made more difference then getting a new fork.
      The level of control I gained is just insane.
      Someone who never tried such a „extreme“(considered by many in the bike industry) backsweep and a little higher rise won’t believe it.
      Now just a few more degrees of upsweep would be the next good step in the right direction.

  • @STLMTB
    @STLMTB ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Easy way to look at it. Downhill on Gnarly terrain, I want the best chance of not going face first into some rocks. Uphill, I could care f'n less, the speed is so slow the worst case scenario is I have to walk. Downhill, the worst case scenario is I eat rocks with my face. I will take the higher rise bars any day.

  • @bobcat5496
    @bobcat5496 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Jeff very cool. Definitely will use this is my new bike!,

  • @thomc0m
    @thomc0m 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great vid WC!

  • @dzastafahrai
    @dzastafahrai 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    @Worldwide Cyclery please do video about handlebar angles :)

  • @ericcosten5689
    @ericcosten5689 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You said intergalactic with such confidence I was gonna let it slide.

    • @WorldwideCyclery
      @WorldwideCyclery  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Check 10:58 got ya 😁

    • @ericcosten5689
      @ericcosten5689 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WorldwideCyclery intergalactic is all encompassing though. "Don't matter what planet you come from you go through US! We're intergalactic baby! "

  • @speedikat6822
    @speedikat6822 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Old skool cat here. That's the best explanation of bar types and what they do that I've seen to date. The only aspect that I'd differ on is riser bars being a recent trend. Folks were talking about it in the late '90s too.

  • @RobHill00
    @RobHill00 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really useful, something I was thinking about on my last ride!👍🏻😎

  • @Radke32
    @Radke32 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nice haircut 👌🏼

  • @andresamson8859
    @andresamson8859 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Depends on your Stack height, also, you forgot to mention that when you have more rise in your handlebar, it affect your effective stem length, in fact it’s the equivalent to add spacer and put un longer stem to keep the same reach...
    so basically, start with your geo, and than adjust according to that

  • @bigmikeshooter
    @bigmikeshooter 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video as always. Hello from Greece.

  • @thegcpu
    @thegcpu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very good. Keep up the good work!

  • @dennispikephotography
    @dennispikephotography 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I noticed “intergalactic” and I’m disappointed that’s not the actual name.
    Going to pick up those PNW bars in the next couple weeks. I have never heard a bad thing said about them. I love the dropper i have from them.

  • @jonathanbrussee9494
    @jonathanbrussee9494 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The Intergalactic part was way funnier having already read the comments calling it out

  • @10thmountainvet
    @10thmountainvet 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for finally addressing us with bad backs!

  • @michaelannetts5839
    @michaelannetts5839 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved the Friday edit!
    Bought some 38mm riser bars and a shorter stem which are due to arrive soon. I get lower back pain after pretty much each ride so really hoping this will help. Sounds like it will!

  • @dannypryordoyle2710
    @dannypryordoyle2710 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Intergalactic is so much cooler though. Sorry about the fingy Jeff.

  • @denniscuba9552
    @denniscuba9552 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I understand your explanation about how adding spacers would reduce the reach. But can I further reduce my reach by simply rotating one of these high rise bars back slightly?

    • @BanjoDo
      @BanjoDo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah that would work but I think youre better off with a shorter stem cause you dont wanna steer from behind the steerer tube

    • @brandonreimer184
      @brandonreimer184 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Rotating bars back makes a more aggresive angle on the bars. Many riders put riser bars on to rotate forward and reduce pressure/ improve angle on the wrists/hands

  • @sgresham2706
    @sgresham2706 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great info, just what I needed! Btw I love your videos. Thanks!

  • @skullsroad3642
    @skullsroad3642 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I used to have a 50mm Spank bar, a 48mm spank stem, and a 10mm spacer under the stem. It made the bike really comfortable to pedal but really hard to corner. I switched to a 35mm raceface bar, a 50mm long, 5mm rise Anvl stem, and a 10mm spacer. Almost as comfortable to pedal but corners so much better.

  • @mattleonard5268
    @mattleonard5268 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think 25mm rise is the best rise for pretty much every bike in most conditions

  • @diegokleinman8774
    @diegokleinman8774 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    ... national intergalactic cycling association ?? lol who they racing against, aliens?

    • @WorldwideCyclery
      @WorldwideCyclery  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Aliens and spaceships! Check 10:58 got ya 😁

    • @gatoryak7332
      @gatoryak7332 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We are all aliens somewhere.

  • @Rev_John_Danger
    @Rev_John_Danger 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I run a slammed 35mm stem, 80mm rise Deity bars, and a 150mm Yari on my San Quentin and it’s perfect for me. I’m 5’9.5” with a long torso and short legs. I ride trails in Texas so mostly flat/ flowy stuff with jumps and features. I love it.

  • @inkrider95
    @inkrider95 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love my 30mm rise bars they help with back fatigue as you mentioned but also they help me with less wrist fatigue, great video..

  • @thehorizontries4759
    @thehorizontries4759 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why didn’t you talk about like 50, 60, and 70mm??

  • @MATH.77
    @MATH.77 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi dude. I'm running a 680mm TOSEEK carbon Rise Bar (18mm horizontally raised, 5 degrees backward) with TOSEEK 80mm (raised 6 degrees) carbon Stem on my 26inch MTB. It's really nice and I really enjoyed it. 😉

  • @dadventuretv2538
    @dadventuretv2538 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You do great vids on topics I think a lot of us don’t really understand. Keep up the good work. Btw- me- 35 mm stem, 30 mm rise 800 mm wide Renthals on my XL Bronson V3. Great combo- long and stable yet short rear and higher bars makes it still super poppy and easy to get the front wheel up. Just have to lean a bit more forward when going up real steep.

  • @user-fr2io9hj2d
    @user-fr2io9hj2d 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    8:36 The national intergalactic cycling association.

  • @TravelWithLinAndBilly
    @TravelWithLinAndBilly 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    3:10 😂😂😂 🐐

  • @jeremylee6262
    @jeremylee6262 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is exactly the info I've needed. a lot of lower back pain. I do ride a XC bike. Thankn u for the info.

  • @juliog907
    @juliog907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That’s the reason I lifted the front end because lower back pain,170 fork and a 40 renthal bar.my rides are usually 8-10 miles and that helped lots.

  • @reallybigphilly
    @reallybigphilly 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am considering high rise bars not for climbing or descending, but to better fit my overall body position. I am 6'6", and while saddle height is usually no issue, bar height is not adjustable and usually laid out for someone in the middle of the frame size's target audience (where I am on the extreme end). Meaning that I am - at least in theory - leaning forward more than would be recommended for a recreational rider like myself. Did a bikefit with my new fullsus recently with a physical therapist, and we found my handlebars were about 30-40mm lower than they should be.
    But as with most things, instead of focusing on a single metric the overall system must be considered, and despite the somewhat low handlebar we did conclude that my CoG was nicely above the bottom bracket, so the first order of business is to get some long-ish rides in. If I get a sore back, we need to add a riser bar.

  • @paultorres4866
    @paultorres4866 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    This is an "old" trend coming around again.

    • @blazerman61
      @blazerman61 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      About time someone said that!!🙋🙋😎

    • @sdqsdq6274
      @sdqsdq6274 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      its not trend, bikes just look better with rise bar

    • @blazerman61
      @blazerman61 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sdqsdq6274 ..hence a trend ...

    • @miguelandrade199
      @miguelandrade199 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      but then why the low rise became a thing meanwhile?

    • @TheCharleseye
      @TheCharleseye 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I didn't know it ever left. I've always run a higher rise bar and never noticed a reduction of fellow "high bar" riders at the trails. That's at least 23 years of "trend" as far as I know.

  • @armandojuan64
    @armandojuan64 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this guy and this channel .

  • @RiddleKingOnline
    @RiddleKingOnline 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    9:00 'Spacers vs high-rise' just answered all my questions and changed my life. I am 177cm, i.e. right between medium and large but larges are too big and spacers on my medium feel cramped. High rise will change everything.

  • @JamesRobertMTB
    @JamesRobertMTB 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If it feels comfy, run it

  • @steezemonk
    @steezemonk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’m running 10mm rise and 640mm wide bars😂

  • @absterama
    @absterama 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Super helpful, everything is falling into place now--thank you! I rented a demo, and I couldn't articulate (MTB speak :)) why it wasn't the right fit for me for the terrain I was riding on.

  • @Gene_158
    @Gene_158 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very informative! Thanks!