Grant Morrison's Wonder Woman | Wonder Woman: Earth One vol. 1
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- For millennia, the Amazons of Paradise Island have created a thriving society away from the blight of man. One resident, however, is not satisfied with this secluded life-Diana, Princess of the Amazons, knows there is more in this world and wants to explore, only to be frustrated by her protective mother, Hippolyta. Diana finds her escape when Air Force pilot Steve Trevor, the first man she has ever seen, crashes onto their shores. With his life hanging in the balance, Diana ventures into the long forbidden world of men. The Amazons chase after her and bring her back to Paradise Island in chains to face trial for breaking their oldest law-staying separated from the world that wronged them. Never miss an episode by subscribing today! bit.ly/2WYvgkt #wonderwoman
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I love how Ben and Sal try and retrain from making any inappropriate jokes around Tiffany lol
They usually don't lol!
It's not out of the misguided notion that she's more delicate or anything silly like that.
They just know she'll pull out the Eye of Agamoto and annihilate them with magic if they step out of line.
My Favorite Version of Wonder-Woman has got to be from the Justice League and JLU cartoons, because the amount of love and care the character was written with was so lovely to watch. Wonder Woman in those cartoons was dignified, kind, sophisticated, and strong but not overtly angry. Her design was great too, as she wasn't skinny or grossly muscular but looked like a strong healthy woman (plus Wonder Woman and Batman being an Item was the greatest and coolest thing no one ever thought about till Bruce Timm came along)
That's one thing I love about Yanick Paquette's art. the way he designs panels to kind of fit the time/events happening in the comic. like In his Swamp Thing run with Scott Snyder where vines are in between the panels , then bones and skulls when you see zombies and the story gets grimmer
You're not quite getting what Mala's gripe with Diana is.
She's not just angry that Diana took her sweet ride, she's angry because for thousands of years, she's been the champion. And as the strongest fighter, she gets to sleep with the princess.
She's pissed because the princess, her trophy, who is supposed to submit to her, is showing independence, taking her other status symbol, and running off with a man.
Mala is a perversion of Marston's "Loving Submission" philosophy. She doesn't understand that the submission has to be given from a place of love and trust, not taken by force every year.
Just to clarify. The black man is not Diana's boyfriend
"We never play him as Wonder Woman’s ‘boyfriend’. He himself considers this immortal Princess ‘out of my league’, and she has no context for romance with a mortal man. They appear to be good friends.
We almost showed Steve’s ordinary human fiancee in Volume 2 but preferred to leave his sexuality undisclosed. He’s Diana’s tough, dependable pal and that’s all he needs to be." - Grant Morrison the writer
@@Furtado608 Fair enough, but their relationship not being sexual still doesn't discount the fact that he is a Man, the very creature they sought refuge from on Thermyscira.
And now the Princess, hers by rights, has run away from Paradise, away from HER, with one of them.
@@Xer0sama Diana returns to the island and becomes the new queen after her mother was murdered in vol 2 and Mala is still Diana's lover.
47:21 is much funnier now, knowing that Sal and Tiffany are together.
I missed your Grant Morrison impression. It always makes me laugh.
Thanks UT, I like doing it.
Tiff's horrified look throughout this video made the entire story worth it.
I've always thought Wonder Woman's costume is extremely practical. Since she virtually invincible, wearing "armour" is like wearing heavy tissue paper, there's absolutely no reason to wear any armour except for keeping her modesty.
And if you want to balance modesty with mobility, covering her torso and exposing her limbs provide her with the maximum amount of mobility while keeping her body covered.
There's absolutely no reason for her to wear anything more into battle.
Always felt the George Perez era had it best.
the idea of this woman who feels an emptiness and desires to be a mother and she is given the gift of a child.
There is something so beautiful about the idea of someone who just wants to be a care giver.
I ADORE all of Tiffany's reactions in this. Great episode, guys! I'd love to see you review more Wonder Woman stories in the future.
Rape in ancient Greece & Rome was very ambiguous meaning, not just focusing on sexual assault but could be considered something like theft, abduction and kidnapping *sometimes* with the context of committing a sexual encounter. So all the times you hear about rape in ancient Greek literature don't always think of the modern idea of the word.
Marston was just a kinky guy, the bracelets were a reference to his lover Olive, who he and his wife(who knew and gave her permission) lived with. They were open to doing bondage.
Having read this at the same time as I read "The Secret Origin of Wonder Woman," it's cool to see how deeply Morrison tapped into the original mythos/intentions for the character. It's not perfect, but it's traditional, which is cool.
Also: totally on-board for whatever future tech allows us to ride giant kangaroos.
Also also: the doctor is a self-portrait of Yanick Paquette, and it's hilarious.
Did Ben and Ethan read Superman: American Alien? If not, can you make that an episode of Back Issues?
Could be a good one for Sal's parents! He's already showed them one of the most famous of gritty and dark Miller books with TDKR, it could be a nice contrast to show them American Alien, a modern, bright, hopeful, perhaps one day classic.
+Austin Skywalker Sals parents were on an episode!?
+Jordan Kill yeah, they read The Dark Knight Returns
As a lifelong Wonder Woman fan, I hated this story. I loved the art, the way the island looked, and that he had them be advanced in technology, but it pissed me off that he turned the Amazons into villains. They are supposed to be a loving family for her, instead he made them way more like the New 52 version that none of the Wondy fans like. Hippolyta was amazing in Post Crisis, but he made her completely unlikable. It also pissed me off that he made Hercules her father. Hercules, Hippolyta's rapist! What a disgrace. Gail Simone showed how bad that would be in one of her issues. I also despised the way he portrayed Diana. He doesn't understand her character at all. Perez had a great origin story for the Amazons and great Amazon characters, while Rucka was able to get the complexities of her character - the warrior and the healer. The live action movie portrayed her complexities perfectly, Morrison didn't. After his comments on the BVS trailer about him not liking the warrior side of the character, I was afraid this would suck, but I didn't think he would fuck her up this bad. He said he was bringing the character back to her roots, but that's kind of bullshit. All he brought back was the Amazon tech, the kangas, and the weird bondage, but he ruined almost everything else. In the original version, the Amazons were kind, loving, and peaceful. Like the female version of the Air Nomads on Avatar the Last Airbender (before they became more warlike in the Post Crisis reboot). In this story, Morrison made the Amazons completely unlikable and prejudice. They are supposed to believe in love and equality, not judge other women by how they look. He also took away her clay origin.
exactly this. thank you
Aquaman: Earth One, written and drawn by Frank Miller.
I'd actually like to see that just to see what he would do
+comiXproviderFTW
No, I'm joking. I love old Frank Miller but new Miller is crazy so I'd love to see how insane it would be.
I'm the god-damn Aquaman
Yeah but what would be the sea creature version of a rat
Kye Dysarthria a sea horse?
Ben: But how will they live if they're all women?
"Life, uh--uh--uh, will find a way"
36:09 the look on Tiffany's face LMAO
Etta (Beth) Candy has always been a part of Wonder Woman's lore. She was even on the old 70's t.v. show. It would have been odd for Morrison to leave her out but he could have done a much better job representing her.
As Morrison explains it he's bringing it back to its roots. He says this is her from creation.
SuperNerdGavin not quite. In the original version, the Amazons were kind, loving, and peaceful. Like the female version of the Air Nomads on Avatar the Last Airbender (before they became more warlike). In this story, Morrison made the Amazons completely unlikable and prejudice. They are supposed to believe in love and equality, not judge other women by how they look. He also took away her clay origin and made her the daughter of Hercules, her mom's rapist.
My favorite moment was when Ben leaned over to tell Tiffany "Her last name is Candy" like if Tiffany was across the entire room lol
Tiff's cutting looks at the camera because of Beth speak for me.
That Rebel Wilson rant was on point.
Tiff is so done with this shit 😂😂
I love Tiffany's five minute blank stare as Sal explains what Amazonian's think about Makeup
This is so nice; I love looking at these Wonder Woman stories.
FYI: the Fates did not share an eye. There were three: Clothos spun the thread of life, Lachesis measured it and Atropos cut it. The three women who shared an eye were the Graeae; they shared an eye and a tooth. We meet them not with Heracles but with Perseus, who goes to them to learn the secret of where Medusa lives and how to get there.
7:26 Maybe Rudolph was kept from participating in reindeer games not because of a thinly-veiled reference to racism, but because of God-given power?
Can you guys please please do DC 1 million
That's like a great book to do for like New Years Eve
Yes but it's a story that I've really wanted them to do for a long time
I agree I would love to see them do it
One day. We do have the hardcover.
Thank you for assuring use that you will one day do it. Ps this comment came out condescending I did not mean it to it's just the way I speak sometimes
Tiffanys expressions or lack of are priceless lol
Tiffany's speechlessness speaks volumes.
I kind of like the idea of this book based on the conversation. It doesn't take a side on the whole issue of gender, making it open for discussion or debate. As for the whole issue of women acting provocative on the island, to be fair, they're all lesbians. Might have just been some Amazonian foreplay. Why it's in public is pretty questionable though.
I cannot wait for Flash and Aquaman earth one. But I'm the most excited for Green Lantern earth one. =)
If I remember right, Beth is an actual Silver age WW character. Or at least, Diana had a friend who loved sweets more than men and was heavy. And her name was either Beth or Edith or something... My phone won't let me google and watch at the same time...
Etta Candy. Silver age. That is a deep cut. WTG Morrison. "When you got a man, there's nothing you can do with him, but candy you can eat!" -Etta
Why do I feel she end up becoming a cannibal?
+Redem10 Unless they started making people out of chocolate... nope.
We are supposed to be getting Etta Candy in the new movie.
+Gena Ghearing hahaha, that'll be interesting
Drinking game, every time Tiffany looks at the camera with her "are you kidding me look" take a shot
I found you guys a couple of weeks ago and immediately fell in love with this channel! I think it'd be great to see a video over the Dark Avengers!
When i read the book i couldn't help but give Etta Candy the voices of Pam from Archer.
Dear lord, what a wild ride. I just got the full three volume series......wow.
Since you guys did a great Wonder Woman story (my opinion) how about the worst one yet? Please do Amazons Attack it's hilariouslly Bad!
I'm just waiting for my Ultimate Spider-Man. 40k special maybe?
35:22 Bens face: Why do i get the feeling Ben said something Ben-like to make that wipe necessary...
Every time Tiffany looks directly into the camera I feel like I'm watching the office
There ain't no women dying while they're in the purple ray.
Purple ray
Purple ray
20:21 I just love that change they did with Steve Trevor making him black I just love it tht was the one for me at least tht was the standout
Heracles obtained the girdle of Hippolyta as one of his 12 labors (the fleece was another story called Jason and the Argonauts though Heracles was an argonaut)
he was sometimes other times it was atlanta myths arent concrete just like most versions have hypolata giving him the fleece
Diana saves a deer huh, really just hitting you over the head with the SHE DEALS WITH MYTHOLOGY STUFF
Tiff's face! Oh no! XD
I'm pretty sure Beth is based on the Silver Age character Etta Candy, who was Wonder Woman's best friend. Etta was also overweight, liked to eat, and het catchphrase was also 'Woo Woo'. ;-)
Just found this one. lol Have to say Tiffany's straight faced,deadpan looks into the camera were hilarious. The pun at the end was funny too.
As a huge Wonder Woman fan (she being my favorite superhero) I sort of like and hate this story. The art work is fabulous I agree the gorgon is amazing, I love that Grant Morrison brought back the purple rays and the kangaroos which is hysterical. The culture looks Grecian-futuristic which is cool and Etta Candy is kind of funny (?). However, to me Morrison doesn't get Diana. The amazons are assholes not the loving and peaceful warriors I love they honestly remind me more of the Bana or like their New 52, Hippolyta is just a man hater who takes things WAY too far, Diana walked around pompous acting all better in man world and almost like a defiant teenager on Themyscira, instead of a person of compassion, justice, and humbled royalty with a unity with her sisters who helped raise her. Plus there was hardly a story for me here. Also nit-pick, I HATE Wonder Woman wasn't molded from clay and has a father.
I will prefer George Perez's origin in God's and Mortals, though Greg Rucka my favorite Wonder Woman writer (and was supposed to write WW Earth One) is doing some great things that I love in DC Rebirth. Also, Marguerite Bennett's DC Bombshells WW origin is also pretty cool.
Sorry, I have a lot of feelings regarding Wonder Woman.
Don't apologise for your feelings. Unless you feel like Superman/Wonder Woman is good because then you should apologise
I don't like it nor do I dislike it really, in some cases I can see it. But while there are some good superhero couple like Green ArrowxBlack Canary and ApolloxMidnighter, I've always been more of a fan of heroes with normal people couples.
8mad omg I completely agree! I loved the art, the way the island looked, and that he had them be advanced in technology, but it pissed me off that he turned the Amazons into villains. They are supposed to be a loving family for her, instead he made them way more like the New 52 version that none of the Wondy fans like. Hippolyta was amazing in Post Crisis, but he made her completely unlikable. It also pissed me off that he made Hercules her father. Hercules, Hippolyta's rapist! What a disgrace. Gail Simone showed how bad that would be in one of her issues. I also despised the way he portrayed Diana. He doesn't understand her character at all. Perez had a great origin story for the Amazons and great Amazon characters, while Rucka was able to get the complexities of her character - the warrior and the healer. The live action movie portrayed her complexities perfectly, Morrison didn't. After his comments on the BVS trailer about him not liking the warrior side of the character, I was afraid this would suck, but I didn't think he would fuck her up this bad.
8mad same! There's something classic about a superhero being with an ordinary person.
Beth is the new version of Etta Candy, a longtime supporting Wonder Woman character. The woo-woo thing is an actual thing from the Golden Age version.
+Daniel Adkins If you looked at the comments you'd know we've been informed of this probably a thousand times.
+ComicPOP My apologies, I scrolled a little, but clearly not enough.
are you guys ever going to do a back issues with all 4 of you?
Need more Wonder Woman stories on here.
I love Tiffany's pun with the high five at the end.
"Everyone has a job. I roll the fat blunts." 😆
Classic pun for the finish, way to go Tiffany! Keep up the great work guys!
Tiffany facial expressions are priceless
Have you guys read George Perez's run on Wonder Woman from the 80s? 'Cause I just finished it and this seems to miss alot of what that book did right.
It's actually offencive in some ways.
Yay back issues love it and with a bonus Tiffany!!!
Beth (Etta) Candy once more a golden age throw back
Tiffany is hilarious
By the way, Wonder Woman's creator was just heavy into bondage, at least that's just what I heard 😂
They're actually were Giant Kangaroos on Australia before people if anyone's wondering there's a source for it in Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond as I know it sounds kinda ridiculous on the face of it.
come to think of it his explanation was they were hunted to extinction so semi connection with theme of man being destructive if it was intentional
INSERT USERNAME as well sourced as it is I'll take it as an authority on the giant kangaroo, not to mention that native species are pertinent to, and of anthropology
36:08 Tiffany is not impressed
that zinger at the end...you guys are awesome
Lol Woo woo! I mean c'mon! Beth is 100% Etta Candy
Do Runaways volume 1 pleaaase!
You forgot to mention that Marsden based Wonder Woman primarily on his 15 year old mistress, who lived with him and his wife, and was known to wear metal bracelets in her wrists.
Did we forget that? Or did we just not mention it? MYSTERIES ABOUND
Starting this video now, I almost bought this yesterday. Hoping its a good pick up!!! Love when new back issues are uploaded! Keep it up guys.
I really liked the story (big Grant Morrison fan so it would be kind of a given). But what I really care about is how the story is told and it's structure not if it's too feminist or not feminist enough. To be completely honest I could care less about all of that, a good story is a good story and this is one of the better modern Wonder Woman stories I've read in a while. The art is beautiful and I was never confused by the panel layouts. I also prefer this interpretation of the Amazons as I was never a fan of them being portrayed as blood drunk lunatics. And as everyone has pointed out below me, Beth is related to Etta Candy who is part of WW's lore. As for the bondage, Marston, as far as what I got out of the stuff I've read about him seems to have been into bondage play with his wife and their mutual lover (which is fine) so that's why the Amazons like to tie people up including each other. It's just a fetish.
Oh and pants would be more restrictive in battle so I'm glad they kept to the classic look.
Pants might be more restrictive, but tights are not. Hence why nearly every male superhero wears them. If they're good enough for dudes, I don't see why they can't be good enough for women, but meh.... Fine, whatever. I agree with everything else you said.
As a woman, I also think that comics about female characters tend to be so concerned with whether or not the work is feminist that they forget to tell a good, engaging story FIRST. This comic succeeds on that level, so overall, I enjoyed it. :)
Agashi Yeah I'm just trying to find excuses as to why I like the classic look more lol.
This was easily one of the worst modern Wonder Woman comics to ever existed. Grant Morrison thinks he gets Wonder Woman when he just doesn’t, he’s just repeating out of context golden age tropes without any real story, commentary, updating or anything new to add. And yanick paquette’s art, while obviously not bad and often stunning and imaginative, too often depicts the Amazons as overly posed and constantly pouting. All the characters, especially the Amazons, feel more like tropes and mouthpieces for him to repeat golden age stuff through rather than actual people. Even in George Pérez where they all talk in a rather convoluted and old fashioned way, they at least still feel human. It’s a shame because a story like this, a modern take on golden age Wonder Woman, could’ve really been something. This is just a male fantasy more than anything else.
Thanks for the effort guys, really enjoy your stuff, specially Back Issues. Sal what do you think of No Man's Land I know it's so long for Back Issues especially if you consider Cataclysm too. keep up the good work and I'll keep watching.
It is soooo long! I have 3 trades and thought that was the entire story. Turns out I was wrong. Do you know how many volumes there are?
+Nerd-Films there is Batman: Cataclysm, After Shock, and Road to No Man's land then there is No Man's Land. It's one of my favorites and I really liked Cassandra Cain in it though she doesn't talk lol
Wow Grant, Just wow. Idk how to feel about this. I hope yall do another WW story though since she doesnt get as much love as I feel she deserves. The Hiketia is a good WW story with some Batman in it too. I believe is was a Greg Rucka book but dont quote me on that one. The current Legend of Wonder Woman series is on issue #6 out of 9 and it does a great job of retelling her origin and weaving in some other DC characters. It also has a MUCH BETTER BODY POSITIVE CHARACTER in Etta Candy than this book's Beth Candy. Just a suggestion though. I really enjoyed this back issues though like I do all the other ones. Keep up the good work everybody!
Damn.... every time Tiffany stares with that look.. i just lose my shit.. LOL
This is not a criticism but I don't think Tiffany should be on Back Issues unless she is the one hosting, as she knows as much and sometimes more than Sal about comics lol and I thought this show is the one where you explain the comic to the comic naive as in Ben or Ethan or me!
I know about indie books, some batman, superman, a bunch of marvel stuff and stuff from cartoons. I don't have a lot of Wonder Woman experience in comic form. Also, at this point with off the rack Ben is starting to learn quite a bit...especially about DC (especially crisis...s...sees...sies). But I do hear what you're saying, and no matter what we always keep it to two people who have not read the book!
Of course and I see Ben starting to get smart lol, yeah I remember the good old days when you guys were TV little house and Ben and Ethan were completely oblivious lol. Your doing great keep up the good work!!
+ComicPOP Love your work, you make Thursday's great! Will you guys do an 'off the rack' on 'Dark Knight Returns: The Last Crusade' which comes out next week? It's a 60 page graphic novel that is drawn by Romita JR and written by Miller. It's supposed to explore how Jason Todd was killed by the Joker and why Batman quit. Though it's not a needed story, I'm still pumped for it. Miller said in an IGN interview he was a lot more hands on in the story so hopefully it's off the wall insane!
I listed to back issues on my way to work every Thursday. Can't wait to hear your opinions of this book!
P.S. Yay, Tiffany!
Great episode, and I agree with Tiffany that Wonder Woman should wear pants. She is a warrior, she should have full armor. But not with stars like they did in the New 52.
That was a quiet, but HUGE reaction to the news that Wonder Woman was given a make-over by some college girls.
Thank you comic pop and hopefully you feel better sal😁
Gotta love that smirk
😌👊✊👍👍👍👍#Team ComicPop! Glad to see another Episode. Y'all really make my day better, every time I watch a new video on this Channel..
"Like always"
(Thanks for Keeping it 100% Real)..😌👊✊
Sal, Ben & Tiff Keep kicking ass Cause I enjoy the way y'all do things. Say hi to Ethan for me..till next time.✌😁lol
Was just listening to Batman Earth One V.2 and this comes out.
Dude I cant wait for volume 3!!! Cmon Geoff Johns do it... DO IT NOW!!!! :D
Then again... Tiffany scares me. so in order to save my neck from a axe I say yay for one eye
Never really been interested in Wonder Woman before but I might have to pick this up
I would love to see the second arc of Batman Confidential on the show. It's a cool Joker origin that got me into comics. I don't know how good it is but it is very underrated and I would love to see you guys shed some light on it. Keep up the great work!
Tiffany did not look happy throughout most of this video lol poor Tiff
I personally enjoyed it though I would love to see wonder woman's reactions to Superman in this world
Good episode. Great ending! "Stoned" - HA!
It would be nice if there was ever a version of Paradise Island that was like Y - The Last Man. Something that more realistically showed a place where it was nothing but women, warrior women at that.....so a violent back-stabbing hellhole.
ETTA CANDY SOUNDS AWESOME
i like ben's idea on what the amazons should have done to steve during the trial. Also i'm with tiff, i prefer wonder woman with pants
So back issue been there for 100+ video and its the first time Wonder Woman has an episode
..and hopefully the last.
Personally I would not mind more WW story since I don't know much about her despiste her importance in the super hero pantheon
As for the story in the episode itself (going only by what Sal told us about it), it was fine up until the sorority girl were introduce
I'd love to see their reaction to Amazon's Attack or that they talk about Azzarello's run.
Ben looks like John snow :p
Love this show!!! Sal, will you ever do an espisode on any of Rucka's wonder woman stories??? That would be wonder-ful...😁😎😅😬😐
This was an awesome episode! Please bring ben and tiffany back for another wonder woman story, maybe the recent the legend of wonder woman that just finished?
+Kimadasa Loved that series
Tiffany seems pissed by this book.
I was not expecting this but I'm excited either way
I thought the kink aspect of Wonder Woman was to do with her creator's belief in female supremacy and that he was a 'slave' to his wife and her lover? He was trying to encourage a world where women rule and men served.
Tiff looks like she died a little bit while you told her this story.
Also, the problem of Paradise island is that it only works for a small group as long as they have everything they need. As soon as there was a single need that could not be met on the island the whole thing fell apart
Great show guys! Still patiently awaiting the INFINITY episode... XD
really really enjoyed this episode! 😀 great job!