Well with such repertoire of tanks and whatnot, not even including such things as tanks being actually rated by their technological representative eras and/or being actually used or regulated in any military nor even used in guerilla warfare but only basing these on so called player performaces only gets a "realistic" game so far. In my book, Enlisted's Campaign system is probably how Gaijin's testing the waters for system rework or to say, trying to standerdise such ways to implement how all this should be going down. What I mean to say, if Gaijin thinks HEAT shell wielding full stabilised (modernised) tanks are good as they are to pit against a decade older adversary, is just like sending SWAT team back a hundred years to train just because the team's operators underperforming in the current era. Lol
I'm actually glad that Gaijin did this. This along with the economy changes was enough to finally get me to quit War Thunder, and I've been a lot happier since!
Jagdpanther being 6.0 and the Ferdinand being 6.3 really illustrates gaijin’s inflexible approach to game design. Jagdpanther gets buffed despite being better than the Ferdinand because people actually play it due to the ferdinands high repair cost
Jagtpanther used to be my go to tank, when I just wanted to have fun doing 15 kills without dieing. Why the hell did they move it to 6.0?! The long 88 with the frontal amour, the mobility, the awesome sniper scope... I even kicked ass at 7.3.
lucky you, I reguarly encounter both Jagdpanthers as well as Jagdtigers with my 5.3-5.7 lineups xD EDIT: encountering Jagdtigers obviously goes only for the 5.7s :)
@@Skip.8221 i will agree they are quite easy to kill especially if you play the Pershing (both t26 and m26) right, same goes for the T25 and it's excellent stabilizer, god i miss when it used to be 5.7 though.
Not to mention that 5.3 br tanks are uptiered most of the time these days( for some reason I don't know). I play the 6.3 german line up at US server, and it's fully downtiered More than half of the time
I'm generally curios, going by gaijins recent trends, why isn't the m4a3 76 sherman 7.3 yet? I mean, it can pen a Maus from straight above? (WARNING: this comment is sarcastic and Gaijin employs or affiliates should not take it into acount next time they change or plan to change the m4a3 76 sherman's br)
Yeah the moment it drops down a BR it suddenly is played well like it is suppose to. I really don't know why it dropped, and I am mostly a German Player. I am against this thing being down at 6.0 (I was against the Panther F going from 6.0 to 5.7, and I have anger towards the community getting the Panzer IV G dropped to 3.3 from 3.7), it was good enough at 6.3. And hell, I had a problem killing one at 800 meters in a T34 Heavy. But now this patch really killed my mood for even touching events when overpowered vehicles get the run of the game, especial ones that come immediately after a patch that change the game drastically that no one really can get used to the new changes in time. Gaijin can go eff themselves.
Bruh Panzer IV G belongs at 4.0 like it used to be for years. The thing is a beast. With the add-on armor modification it’s hull armor is effectively the same as a Tiger H1.
@@proofostrich9061 one of the times i played it with this 3.3 br i got a downtier. Took me half the game but when the enemies showed up i just ripped and teared all of them apart. And the first game i played it i got like a double ace at 3.3. The G was a good stepping stone to the H, with the F2 serving as a way to start playing them. But the G and F2 being together is stupid
I remembered when Panzer IV G at tier 3, and that help me alot when i'm doing task, and later they moved it back to tier 2 and yet, i don't really see the reason why they did it.
just gotta perform cbt on em, work well especially with shermans and their stabs, after cbt is complete just roll up on it's side and blow your load into it.
@@AlbertWillHelmWestings2618 Ou yeah, I'm gonna get close and personal with that jadgpanther from 400-500 meters away. It's not like there's multiple scenario of fighting jadgpanther and most of the time it will involve me exploding.
6.3 was fine enough for this beauty of a TD The one thing that made a 6.3 lineup great was the addition of both Jagdpanther and Ferdinand. 1 fast and 1 slow but both carrying a deadly af gun
I dunno, I love and hate the ferdinand, but I can't play realistic because I guess I just have cataracts or something because I can't see the enemy 5 feet in front of me. Point being, please move the ferdinand off 7.0 in arcade, it definitely doesn't need to be there.
That's been an issue with american vehicles in general for a good while, when american tanks were first added they mopped the floor with their Russian and German counterparts because of how the vehicles were made irl. Then they got nerfs and uptiers constantly
The thing is Gaijin uses player stats to balance and since Germany players are usually new players that don't know how to play yet or wehraboos that think that the tiger is an invincible killing machine just to get front penned by never angling we get German vehicles getting lower and lower brs while other nations get higher ones
the Jagdpanther is probably one of the best all round tanks. It has the amazing long 88, good mobility and armour. The only thing it lacks is a turret.
The Jagpanther is one of the best tanks if not the best tank at its BR I dont know any of my american tanks that can pen its front with a 76mm gun and not get one tapped by it across the map Not even my M36 can pen it.
@@fiddler9804 I've never managed to get a hit on that mg port even at point blank, the pen area is microscopic and with volumetric shells and the MG blocking them half the time it's even smaller
I get that statistics are the main balancing factor gaijin goes by, but can’t they please just get a guy or two to look over what’s getting “balanced” and find out wether or not the vehicle in question is actually good or not for its tier?
We should create bot accounts that only drive forward and make them play any nation that isn't Germany, maybe that'll skew the stats enough so that Gaijin has to do actual balancing
@@yoboyroy262 easy to do so cuz y'all German mains blind AF -> M18's APCR can't even penetrate the front of those thanks (cept Panther's notoriously trollish turret).
@@yoboyroy262 That's up to the players. I do very well in Tigers and Panthers. Except for my russian Toptier MBT lineup (with I just perfected) and the T25 these are my best tanks.
The fact that they did this makes me feel betrayed. As a german tree main I can tell you this is probably the only vehicle I would give bigger battle rating in no time.
@@xero6774 Well, you got to understand that having too much of an advantage makes the game boring. Furthermore, it makes the game unfair for others. Many people, including Germany main players want the game to be balanced for all so everyone can have fun. As a Germany main, I agree with him. The Jagdpanther is way too unbalanced at its BR.
@@xero6774 because he is a respectable player who understands balance, online games shouldn’t always be about unfair advantage of one side by its vehicles but the skill of the player.
yep, jagdpanther should stay at 6.3, long 88mm and good armour at 6.0 are very unbalanced, even it's a casemate tank destroyer, i feel pity to those 75mm jumbo that i can one shot over 500m away and he can't do anything
Ah yes, a gun and armor that is stronger than most of the things it faces with acceptable mobility, at a BR quite a bit lower than it should be. sounds like a German tank to me
Tbh T26E1-1 falls under this category, it's like a tiger II (H) but slightly less powerful and with a lower br. I love that thing and it makes America 6.3 worth playing
@@majo3488 what really sucks about that 6.3 US lineup is the repair costs for both Pershing and T25. I really wanted to try and have fun on those vehicles but losing 15k silvers lions is too much
@DestroyerTom it was poor because of the players that had no idea what they're doing, the tank is perfectly capable with high mobility, great zoom to its scope, great heat shell and smoke. Compared to literally any other 7.7 it's fantastic I've seen way to many players go from the king tigers straight to the leopard 1 and think yeah I can do the same shit I can brawl at close range and take a shot or 2. To this day I still use it as a backup to my a1a1 because it just suits most engagements better than my spaded m48
@DestroyerTom I'm saying german players aren't using the strengths of their vehicles as much as they should, and there is a lot of 1 death quitters consistently on the team. And what op vehicles specifically? It seems like everytime I boot up the game something about the brits has been uptiered like crazy or the repair cost inflated and the damage of the shells nerfed or the reload rate changed or scope zoom nerfed to nothing. They're still effective tanks but I don't see what's worth complaining about. Usa I can't even fathom what vehicle within the br bracket you'd consider op, bradleys effective but easily killable so what are you whinging about? An m60? Borderline worthless compared to a leo. Even stock the only annoying nation to fight is russia
Ive been getting 12+ kills daily since the jagdpanther got dropped. The Jagdpanther plus the panther A and G are extremely powerful when in decent hands. Not to mention the cas that germany has at that br. Jagdpanther wasnt even suffering at 6.3.
The Jagdpanther was my great grandfathers tank, but sadly it was scuttled when it was surronded by Russians towards the end of the war. He escaped and surrendered to the Americans instead
i like how for Allies tankers, they need to aim for small specific weak spots on German tanks while for the Germans, its mostly point and click and still "GeRmAnY sUfFeR"
@@PartiallyLoyal If you want real life, German teams are mostly STUG 3s and PZ 4s and they are outnumbered massively at the start of the match. Respawns also cost triple SP compared to allied respawns. Fun balance for a video game and history are two completely separate topics.
@@me-262gamingluftwaffememin2 He did say mostly. Jumbo is a bit of an anomaly as most of what Germany faces in the mid tiers are medium tanks with fairly light armor. If you can't make mid tier German heavies and TD's work, it's indicative of a skill problem not a balance problem.
@@crudboy12 Thanks for being so incredibly overly passive aggressive. In a balanced game not being able to make any vehicle work means a skill issue. And no one said that they could not make mid tier work.
Dude, is totally true, this game is shit some times, took way to long to research the stuff, even if premium account is slow anyway, idk how fast could I research the parts and tanks back in 2015, but I guess was better then now
Idk what's the problem, I like to raise my really low self esteem! (this is a joke) Edit: I had a stroke writing this the first time so I edited it for your viewing pleasure
Its weird how the skill of a player is and isn't revealed by the statistics gj uses. I guess it has something to do how they dont activelly play their own product, or have extrrmelly few who do and then present no influence to them in decision making
i do a lot to be honest. my favourite are the Oblivon NPCs, where you kill the guy right next to them but they still wont look your way. "mustve been the wind"
Spookston: *Paired against shermans* Normal Players: *Paired against M26* Me: *Paired against American T34* Also Me: *Is a about to break monitor from frustration*
I feel like there is no such thing as a medium or heavy tank.... Everything kills or cripples you in one shot. There are only light tanks with low or high repair costs
i feel like this is a big part of gaijins games desgin though, youre always at the risk of being one shot, so even in a heavy youre not supposed to just drive out in the open like youre superman.
What the hell is with Gaijin and lowering the BR for German tanks in the latest major patches? First the Tiger at 5.3, then the TDs, Pz IV, Panther F, just what...?
@@jaxrammus9165 It really does dude since the IS-2 is really easy to destroy using the Tiger I 88mm gun... I unlocked an Ace crew with the Tiger I Ausf. E and in my opinion the Tiger I is easily the best heavy tank at Rank III.
@@carlblack8574 theres literally no angle the is2 cant penetrate... tf. and it reverses super fast. im not saying the is2 is busted, but hat the tiger 1 aint the god tank you people think it is
The fact that this and the jumbo 76 and jumbo both now fight it is insane. The 76 m4a1 got moved to 4.7 for a reason of not fighting this monster I guess.
I love how he is downtiered in most of these matches and same tiered in the rest of them. I got like 2 matches out of 50 games I played at the same tier (never downtiered) and annihilated the enemy team but rest of the games got penned by heatfs rounds from 7.0 cold war US tanks all the time. Fun times
I think it's good. Way to often has the META become "have no armour, everyone can go through you anyway" so having heavily armoured tanks finally have their armour matter is a positive. It forces players to learn how to combat them, shoot the gun, track them, shoot them from the side.
Yeah except it's ALSO very fast ALSO has a better gun that 99.99% of tanks it faces (100% in a downtier) and is literally BRAINDEAD to play... That's not balance.
I’d agree with this except I’ve yet to get down tiered or even play at 6.0 with this tank yet and I made a 6.0 load out for it specifically. I’ve gotten 6.3-7.0 100% of the time thus far and so to me nothing has changed
This entire video can be summed up as "Boss, you killed a child... Amazing. Mission complete. That right there is why you're the best, Boss." every time Spookston gets a kill.
@@jjmerrow8062 Having it at 6.3 or 6.7 effectively means full uptiers 90% of the time, rendering it unplayable. I am getting onetapped from the front anyway, no idea why are you struggling against it.
@Leplivo germans yes they are op but the main problem its not "skills" is just that when i go in a battle i cant spawn more than 2 times even if play with cheap vehicles , the rewards is getting worse when a update comes they are shitty i won sometimes 10k per battle but i lose around 4k - 8k when playing tier iii - up, also another problem i finded is that premium people are prone to make suicidal tactics without caring about what they won or lose because they have talismans and golden eagles. And common players have to deal with loss and gains... Thats why I said goodbye to this game
Personally never enjoyed playing nor fighting this thing, it was always too easy to kill and died because its armour was useless, big American guns always went through and the British laughed at the idea of anything having armour. The Russian 122 is a reliable killer. I enjoy fighting the Jagdpanther a lot more now that it's been lowered, it really plays to armour meta, that being, it actually has some now. Mind you I'm talking from the position of someone not playing Germany. I think almost all casemate vehicles should be lowered. Have them be nigh-invincible in the front.
As a Germany player I'm fairly happy with it as well, I could care less if I get a load of kills or not but actually having my armor matter feels great. I'm a big heavy tank and td person and the jagdpanther just feels great to use. a lot of other heavy tanks/tds just don't feel good to use anymore with up tiers and even sometimes at there BR just because the armor isn't enough to do anything and I just feel like a big slow target with a good punch and depending on how much of an up tier is might not even be that good of a punch
@Lukáš Znojemský The "mini-jumbo" with 105mm cannon in 2.7 is nearly immortal upfront too, and the cannon is very good too, the only flaw of that tank is the horrible turret traverse.
It's actually just a skill issue of the players lol, because Gaijin "balances" based on Win Rates they don't take in the fact that most players start out with Germany and thus there's a major skill issue with them.
@@noahcaddeo4559 so more or less most German players are idiot wheraboos that watch a TH-cam video about that one tiger ace that got a lot of kills and try to bee line it to 5.3 on the German tech tree
You Seem like lucky guy, appareantly this is just me but when i play German 5.7-6.7 first thing i know is the enemy has 4 P47 in the air like 2 minutes in the match or i have a Sherman shoot me through my MG port at 1,5 kilometers distance
And then you realize that he only put in down tiers and and that almost every 6.3 and up can kill it from the front. Not really defending it at 6.0 could easily be 6.7 but its not unkillable. Any tank can kill it from the side plus german players are maybe not as good as spookston.
In german player logic all their shell must penetrate and one-shot-kill enemy vehicles while no one should be able to penetrate their vehicle in any side.
To be fair, I didn't saw any uptier vehicle, so yeah, at 6.0 is a monster, but as soon it lands 6.7 it kinda suffer like any other heavy vehicle at that tier. Still I don't know why tf gaijin put him at 6.0 while at 6.3 was fair
If you are talking about the little ball machine gun weak spot than you would be hard pressed trying to hit that from 500m or more. And I wouldn't be taking any chances against a long 88. I'm not even sure if the short 75 or even the long 75 can reliably penetrate that weak spot.
@@darthimperious8661 if it makes you feel better most of the time the jumbo has zero options to kill you in a tiger. Plus if you play the op as fuck panther it doesn't fucking matter because you can punch straight through his armor while being invulnerable to his return fire. Now stfu about the jp because clearly you don't know shit about the game enough to say something that doesn't sound stupid
Players: "BR decompression!"
Gaijin: *aggressively compresses BRs further*
>refuses to elaborate
>leaves
Statistiks from the Moscow monkey zoo says otherwise
Well with such repertoire of tanks and whatnot, not even including such things as tanks being actually rated by their technological representative eras and/or being actually used or regulated in any military nor even used in guerilla warfare but only basing these on so called player performaces only gets a "realistic" game so far. In my book, Enlisted's Campaign system is probably how Gaijin's testing the waters for system rework or to say, trying to standerdise such ways to implement how all this should be going down. What I mean to say, if Gaijin thinks HEAT shell wielding full stabilised (modernised) tanks are good as they are to pit against a decade older adversary, is just like sending SWAT team back a hundred years to train just because the team's operators underperforming in the current era. Lol
I want railgun tanks at 1.0
Lmao
I'm actually glad that Gaijin did this. This along with the economy changes was enough to finally get me to quit War Thunder, and I've been a lot happier since!
Damn bro you had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
@@HANGING_SILVER yeah
Same. They made me want to go back playing World of Tanks after 4 years
@@AleLGB world of Tanks is worse
My goal is to just complete the American tree and Japanese tree and then I quit
Jagdpanther being 6.0 and the Ferdinand being 6.3 really illustrates gaijin’s inflexible approach to game design. Jagdpanther gets buffed despite being better than the Ferdinand because people actually play it due to the ferdinands high repair cost
Jagtpanther used to be my go to tank, when I just wanted to have fun doing 15 kills without dieing.
Why the hell did they move it to 6.0?!
The long 88 with the frontal amour, the mobility, the awesome sniper scope...
I even kicked ass at 7.3.
Honestly i enjoy playing the ferdinand more than the jagdpanther, its actualy fun
@@genetoishere9002 Personally only because of its comedic fucking reverse speed
True. Moving the Ferdi down to 6.0 would have been so much more justified
i play ferdi alot but havent actually never payed attention to repair costs :D
- Hey Jagdpanther, did you get moved to 6.0?
- Yes...
- What did it cost?
- My 10x optics.....
:'(
- Was it worth it?
- Mein Gott Ja!!
Bruh play the M18 shut up
@@thebirbestbirb you trying to say the M18 is op or sth? Lmao
@@xXDeltaTwoZeroXx no the optic is trash
For some reason I rarely encounter a Jagdpanther on the battlefield in a Pershing despite the new battle-rating changes. I don’t know why
lucky you, I reguarly encounter both Jagdpanthers as well as Jagdtigers with my 5.3-5.7 lineups xD
EDIT: encountering Jagdtigers obviously goes only for the 5.7s :)
@@HeavyTanker-vx4oq Pershing still fucks up the Leo
@@Skip.8221 if you are trying to say that its a balanced match up for some forsaken reason I ask you to take a furlong walk down an 8 chain pier
@@marocho129 Facing those things in my t34 85 and is1 is annoying... but in my is2 and isu 122 they’re just food
@@Skip.8221 i will agree they are quite easy to kill especially if you play the Pershing (both t26 and m26) right, same goes for the T25 and it's excellent stabilizer, god i miss when it used to be 5.7 though.
Not to mention that 5.3 br tanks are uptiered most of the time these days( for some reason I don't know). I play the 6.3 german line up at US server, and it's fully downtiered More than half of the time
I’m playing 3.3 Germany in Euro servers and I get up tiered up to 4.0 or higher every single match.
Yeah American 5.3 it's a full nightmare, your gun sucks and you most of the times go vs jagtiger and tiger 2
I haven't had a downtier with my Russian 5.7 linup since the BR changes that put the Jagdpanther at 6.0
I have quite the opposite. No matter what Br I choose, no matter which nation, the battle br will always be atleast .7 higher
@@redsnowleopard try 9.0 Germany for ground RB and 9.7 USA or 9.3 USSR for air RB.
I'm generally curios, going by gaijins recent trends, why isn't the m4a3 76 sherman 7.3 yet? I mean, it can pen a Maus from straight above?
(WARNING: this comment is sarcastic and Gaijin employs or affiliates should not take it into acount next time they change or plan to change the m4a3 76 sherman's br)
U watch it or the Sherman jumbos get uptiered again
*Maniacle snail laughter*
And now you've jinxed it
Good idea for balans
@@gaijoob4000 could ya send me a kv 1c?
Yeah the moment it drops down a BR it suddenly is played well like it is suppose to.
I really don't know why it dropped, and I am mostly a German Player. I am against this thing being down at 6.0 (I was against the Panther F going from 6.0 to 5.7, and I have anger towards the community getting the Panzer IV G dropped to 3.3 from 3.7), it was good enough at 6.3. And hell, I had a problem killing one at 800 meters in a T34 Heavy. But now this patch really killed my mood for even touching events when overpowered vehicles get the run of the game, especial ones that come immediately after a patch that change the game drastically that no one really can get used to the new changes in time.
Gaijin can go eff themselves.
Bruh Panzer IV G belongs at 4.0 like it used to be for years. The thing is a beast. With the add-on armor modification it’s hull armor is effectively the same as a Tiger H1.
And yet, the G56 gets a 0.3 uptier each couple of patches
@@proofostrich9061 one of the times i played it with this 3.3 br i got a downtier. Took me half the game but when the enemies showed up i just ripped and teared all of them apart. And the first game i played it i got like a double ace at 3.3. The G was a good stepping stone to the H, with the F2 serving as a way to start playing them. But the G and F2 being together is stupid
first time i know that centurions are not that good, because jagdpanther back then
I remembered when Panzer IV G at tier 3, and that help me alot when i'm doing task, and later they moved it back to tier 2 and yet, i don't really see the reason why they did it.
Me playing sherman: calm
Me playing sherman and seeing Jagdpanther: *panic*
just gotta perform cbt on em, work well especially with shermans and their stabs, after cbt is complete just roll up on it's side and blow your load into it.
Me playing T 34 85 seing a Jadgtiger
*PANIC*
Me playing Is 2 seeing a Jadgtiger
*COME HERE BOI*
Jagdpanther seeing Sherman:
_"Finally, some good f**king good."_
@@deanmilos4909 but u cant pen a jagdtiger from the front 😂😂😂
@@AlbertWillHelmWestings2618 Ou yeah, I'm gonna get close and personal with that jadgpanther from 400-500 meters away.
It's not like there's multiple scenario of fighting jadgpanther and most of the time it will involve me exploding.
"Ah yes, let's move the TD that can effectively kill anything that it runs into and is all but immune to 76 and 85 guns to 6.0" - 10/10 Gaijin logic
But player stats
I mean, I can pen it frontally with British 17 pounder using APDS
And it's very mobile to boot
Bruh i get 50 uptiers in a row to 7.3, the armor is useless there xD
@@lethienphat2340 lolpen lolpens who would have guessed
6.3 was fine enough for this beauty of a TD
The one thing that made a 6.3 lineup great was the addition of both Jagdpanther and Ferdinand. 1 fast and 1 slow but both carrying a deadly af gun
Ferdinand is kinda bad with the 20k repair and the weak ass cheeks.
Ferdinand sucks
For me I love the ferdy. It has a nitch playstyle but if you get it in the right spot and far enough away it's a dream
Every gun is deadly if you use it properly
I dunno, I love and hate the ferdinand, but I can't play realistic because I guess I just have cataracts or something because I can't see the enemy 5 feet in front of me.
Point being, please move the ferdinand off 7.0 in arcade, it definitely doesn't need to be there.
Gaijin really thinks that the jumbo 76 belongs at 6.3 and this thing can go down to 6.0
Ya their whole move American vehicles up then the Germans down makes any fuck ups they make worst
That's been an issue with american vehicles in general for a good while, when american tanks were first added they mopped the floor with their Russian and German counterparts because of how the vehicles were made irl. Then they got nerfs and uptiers constantly
It's so damn annoying. I can't play my 75mm Jumbo cause I get uptiered to face kingtigers
The thing is Gaijin uses player stats to balance and since Germany players are usually new players that don't know how to play yet or wehraboos that think that the tiger is an invincible killing machine just to get front penned by never angling we get German vehicles getting lower and lower brs while other nations get higher ones
At least you didn’t get the British 6.7 lineup treatment
the Jagdpanther is probably one of the best all round tanks. It has the amazing long 88, good mobility and armour. The only thing it lacks is a turret.
Turrets are for the weak
@@SpeedyThunder100 Don't need to worry about the turret weak spot if you get rid of the turret.
105mmM4A3 white phosphorous round would like to know your location xdddddd
The only thing that a danger to it is the is2
The only thing I miss with it is a faster reverse speed
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
Exactly
The Jagpanther is one of the best tanks if not the best tank at its BR
I dont know any of my american tanks that can pen its front with a 76mm gun and not get one tapped by it across the map
Not even my M36 can pen it.
A well placed shot on the MG port by a 90mm usually knocks out a Jagdpanther but the 76mm just do some severe damage
The only one that can is the bulldog with the apds, just make sure to shoot the right side first
I’ve front penned it with the M36 Jackson’s APCR just yesterday. Ridiculous that that thing is at 6.0
But the M36 should.T33 is the most reported item in the game for that reason.
@@fiddler9804 I've never managed to get a hit on that mg port even at point blank, the pen area is microscopic and with volumetric shells and the MG blocking them half the time it's even smaller
I get that statistics are the main balancing factor gaijin goes by, but can’t they please just get a guy or two to look over what’s getting “balanced” and find out wether or not the vehicle in question is actually good or not for its tier?
Lmao tunnel vision players just casually dragging down tanks cause they can’t see is sad
I should add I was a tunnel vision idiot only I don’t play now
We should create bot accounts that only drive forward and make them play any nation that isn't Germany, maybe that'll skew the stats enough so that Gaijin has to do actual balancing
@@LeMeowAu you mean Germany players
@@BrBross that happens with every nation lmao, not exclusively a german issue (look at the M4A3 105, R3T20, etc.)
Germany mains: “imagine having to try lmao”
They deserve every HEAT and sabot coming their way
at least they are blind
cute but still wrong
Now it bullies me at 5.3
@@arandomgoose1660 Blind, deaf and probably play with their toes.
and people still say that "Germany Suffers"
they do in warthunder m18s bully panters and king tigers like pretty much every everything
@@yoboyroy262
Nice joke. Almost funny.
@@yoboyroy262 easy to do so cuz y'all German mains blind AF -> M18's APCR can't even penetrate the front of those thanks (cept Panther's notoriously trollish turret).
@@yoboyroy262 That's up to the players. I do very well in Tigers and Panthers.
Except for my russian Toptier MBT lineup (with I just perfected) and the T25 these are my best tanks.
@@yoboyroy262 funny joke but would've been better if u used ebr's instead of m18s
I love how Spook only has 3 moods:
Historically correct;
HSTVL;
Montage;
The fact that they did this makes me feel betrayed. As a german tree main I can tell you this is probably the only vehicle I would give bigger battle rating in no time.
how?
its literally an advantage for u
@@xero6774 Well, you got to understand that having too much of an advantage makes the game boring. Furthermore, it makes the game unfair for others. Many people, including Germany main players want the game to be balanced for all so everyone can have fun. As a Germany main, I agree with him. The Jagdpanther is way too unbalanced at its BR.
@@xero6774 because he is a respectable player who understands balance, online games shouldn’t always be about unfair advantage of one side by its vehicles but the skill of the player.
@@jacktheuser-ck9qi Funny how I wouldn't consider this even the most grievous issue in the recent BR changes. 3.3 Germany beats down on everything.
yep, jagdpanther should stay at 6.3, long 88mm and good armour at 6.0 are very unbalanced, even it's a casemate tank destroyer, i feel pity to those 75mm jumbo that i can one shot over 500m away and he can't do anything
Ah yes, a gun and armor that is stronger than most of the things it faces with acceptable mobility, at a BR quite a bit lower than it should be. sounds like a German tank to me
Tbh T26E1-1 falls under this category, it's like a tiger II (H) but slightly less powerful and with a lower br. I love that thing and it makes America 6.3 worth playing
@@oliveoil6881 if only it werent 18k to repair and had a 15s reload
Like basically all Panzer IVs then. 130mm at br 3.3 is just ridiculous
Jagdpanthers are now lower in br than the T25 and M26
T25 is a hell of a tank. 90 mm PEN, Damage after PEN, Stabilizer and its mobility (just try to speed up at a straight line) is just awesome.
Excuse me, wtf is this smell I'm smelling. Might it be bullshit game balancing?
@@majo3488 what really sucks about that 6.3 US lineup is the repair costs for both Pershing and T25. I really wanted to try and have fun on those vehicles but losing 15k silvers lions is too much
Honestly both T25 and M26 are much better tanks. The downside of course being the repairing costs.
@@majo3488 The T25 is not mobile it just had an electric transmission. It's as slow as the M4A3 in terms of acceleration
I’m just jealous about how many Silver lions he’s making
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@@katgut 4.5
@@thecentralintelligenceagen9963 4.49
What you say
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@@Jeb724 4.4799
Gaijin moving down vehicles that didnt need to go down like here a Jagdpanther before that Leopard 1 and now T-55A
And they have the chutzpah to deny nation bias.
@Leplivo I know. I'm just saying that it didn't needed to go down
@Leplivo and what armored is great at that br?
@DestroyerTom it was poor because of the players that had no idea what they're doing, the tank is perfectly capable with high mobility, great zoom to its scope, great heat shell and smoke. Compared to literally any other 7.7 it's fantastic
I've seen way to many players go from the king tigers straight to the leopard 1 and think yeah I can do the same shit I can brawl at close range and take a shot or 2. To this day I still use it as a backup to my a1a1 because it just suits most engagements better than my spaded m48
@DestroyerTom I'm saying german players aren't using the strengths of their vehicles as much as they should, and there is a lot of 1 death quitters consistently on the team. And what op vehicles specifically? It seems like everytime I boot up the game something about the brits has been uptiered like crazy or the repair cost inflated and the damage of the shells nerfed or the reload rate changed or scope zoom nerfed to nothing.
They're still effective tanks but I don't see what's worth complaining about.
Usa I can't even fathom what vehicle within the br bracket you'd consider op, bradleys effective but easily killable so what are you whinging about? An m60? Borderline worthless compared to a leo.
Even stock the only annoying nation to fight is russia
Ive been getting 12+ kills daily since the jagdpanther got dropped. The Jagdpanther plus the panther A and G are extremely powerful when in decent hands. Not to mention the cas that germany has at that br. Jagdpanther wasnt even suffering at 6.3.
The Jagdpanther was my great grandfathers tank, but sadly it was scuttled when it was surronded by Russians towards the end of the war. He escaped and surrendered to the Americans instead
the best part is that it does have an MG port weakspot but you cant hit it because the barrel is level with it and blocks it every single time
volumetric: let me introduce myself
i like how for Allies tankers, they need to aim for small specific weak spots on German tanks while for the Germans, its mostly point and click
and still
"GeRmAnY sUfFeR"
you mean like the jumbo?
You mean like it was in real life mostly?
@@PartiallyLoyal If you want real life, German teams are mostly STUG 3s and PZ 4s and they are outnumbered massively at the start of the match. Respawns also cost triple SP compared to allied respawns. Fun balance for a video game and history are two completely separate topics.
@@me-262gamingluftwaffememin2 He did say mostly. Jumbo is a bit of an anomaly as most of what Germany faces in the mid tiers are medium tanks with fairly light armor. If you can't make mid tier German heavies and TD's work, it's indicative of a skill problem not a balance problem.
@@crudboy12 Thanks for being so incredibly overly passive aggressive. In a balanced game not being able to make any vehicle work means a skill issue. And no one said that they could not make mid tier work.
Love to see the Lawbreakers soundtrack. Always loved it.
Thank you, was about to ask where this is from.
was also wondering
I remember the time I killed one by squeezing my round in between the crevice around the mantlet.
I was so confused, but happy all the same.
I remember when you could do that consistently... volumetrics sure did change the gameplay
Sounds like you killed me on one of a game. I was so confused how did I get killed frontally near the mantlet. Lucky shot I must say!
Everything is balanced for spookston
13KILLS?! wow you can research tracks with that rp!
I played 5.7 first time recently, holy mother of jesus the RP rewards are as much as 4.3-3.7 lmao! I guess they don't want me playing that BR.
Dude, is totally true, this game is shit some times, took way to long to research the stuff, even if premium account is slow anyway, idk how fast could I research the parts and tanks back in 2015, but I guess was better then now
try resarching rank VI and VII. 100 games and i barely have fpe parts and first shell
@@combatantezoteric2965 im f2p and i have everything for germany in 1 year
@@Краснаяармиясамаясильная-б9ы LOL 4 months later and I still havent grinded the tank I was talking about ( tam 2C ) completely.
ah yes, the amount of skill required for germany lower by the patch
Wow, it's like Gaijin never play their own game at all to even justify the BR changes. I'd like to see how Gaijoob apologists defend this now.
The same way they always do, between sloppy sucking noises.
"bUt StAtIsTicS"
@@CobraDBlade..............
Idk what's the problem, I like to raise my really low self esteem! (this is a joke)
Edit: I had a stroke writing this the first time so I edited it for your viewing pleasure
Next update, Ratte at br 1.0, only available in crafting event that requires players to build a functional cold fusion reactor.
don't give them ideas
I seriously don't understand why they would lower it's br. Of all vehicles it's likely the Jagdpanther I've had the most success with
This was better than your other single tank montage videos because it showed the vehicles durability instead of just shooting stuff
Its weird how the skill of a player is and isn't revealed by the statistics gj uses. I guess it has something to do how they dont activelly play their own product, or have extrrmelly few who do and then present no influence to them in decision making
My thoughts exactly
My favorite TD wrecking face with an awesome tune. That my friend, just earned you a new subscriber.
Ah yes a Sherman is just as powerful as this such logic
T20 is the same BR with this monster,Gaijin’s balancing is indeed flawless!
I'm going to be honest with you Spookston, the level of your opponents is always fucking shocking. Like I never get enemies this bad and braindead...
Spookston already ascended, we mere mortal get this kind of players but in our team
i do a lot to be honest. my favourite are the Oblivon NPCs, where you kill the guy right next to them but they still wont look your way. "mustve been the wind"
Spookston: *Paired against shermans*
Normal Players: *Paired against M26*
Me: *Paired against American T34*
Also Me: *Is a about to break monitor from frustration*
When you see a jagdpanther there is 2 option.
1: if you can pen 200+mm of armour you fight.
2: you run
exactly today I was asking in chat "How the F do I pen jagd front" and answer was "You don't"
Me in a jumbo: kalm
When I see flanking jagdpanther: *extreme panic*
I feel like there is no such thing as a medium or heavy tank.... Everything kills or cripples you in one shot. There are only light tanks with low or high repair costs
i feel like this is a big part of gaijins games desgin though, youre always at the risk of being one shot, so even in a heavy youre not supposed to just drive out in the open like youre superman.
@@a.b.3455 only an abysmally downtiered KV-1 could drive into the wide open like Superman with little to no fear...
@@blackshogun272 still the pz tanks from Germany could pen the side of the turret with their 50mm cannon.
2:39 boss you just killed a child! *great work, that’s why you’re the best*
I was so close to unlocking this before I quit... Almost makes me wanna install it again. Almost.
Don't do it
This thing at 6.0 is literally the Jumbo exterminator.
What about uptiers? You didnt show any or barely any
Nothing less than epic. Keep it up bro 👍🏻
What the hell is with Gaijin and lowering the BR for German tanks in the latest major patches? First the Tiger at 5.3, then the TDs, Pz IV, Panther F, just what...?
Awesome Gameplay and Great Rock Song ! 🤘
Wow, a tank with thick armour can take shots in downtiers, highest BR tank in the video was 6.3 (From what i saw)
So this is what happens when a perfectly reliable Jagdpanther faces WW2 instead of 1960s tanks...
Ah yes the jumbo definitly has a chance against a jagdpanther
ah yes the tiger totes has a chance again the is2
@@jaxrammus9165 It really does dude since the IS-2 is really easy to destroy using the Tiger I 88mm gun... I unlocked an Ace crew with the Tiger I Ausf. E and in my opinion the Tiger I is easily the best heavy tank at Rank III.
@@carlblack8574 mh for sure bro. tootes
@@jaxrammus9165 Come on, don't tell me that you are one of those guys that thinks that the Tiger I is totally inferior against the "Overpowered IS-2"
@@carlblack8574 theres literally no angle the is2 cant penetrate... tf. and it reverses super fast. im not saying the is2 is busted, but hat the tiger 1 aint the god tank you people think it is
The fact that this and the jumbo 76 and jumbo both now fight it is insane. The 76 m4a1 got moved to 4.7 for a reason of not fighting this monster I guess.
This tank is a beast when downtiered and extremely fun that it is almost illegal. Kinda sucks when uptiered or overtiered.
thats just the nature of the game, germany manes just get the biggest kid gloves "but muh tank sucks when upteird' yeah, most tanks do get over it.
@@johnm7611 I think everyone says that not just German mains
Gaijin: *Lower's Jagpanther's BR*
Players: What are you doing?
Gaijin: Making a mistake..
Players: Making a Mistake.
I love how he is downtiered in most of these matches and same tiered in the rest of them. I got like 2 matches out of 50 games I played at the same tier (never downtiered) and annihilated the enemy team but rest of the games got penned by heatfs rounds from 7.0 cold war US tanks all the time. Fun times
Only us has cold war heatfs!!!111!!! germany suffers the tank automatically suffers when you cant bounce everything /s
Man you always have the best music for these videos.
i love how almost every tank he kills is eithera t34 85 or american
2:39 boss, you've killed a child (that would kill your entire team) amazing mission complete, that right there is why your best boss
It is literally the German KV-2 and I love it for that
How? It’s quite the opposite
Brummbar is more kv2 than this.
2:38 Boss... you just killed a child...
Good work
I think it's good. Way to often has the META become "have no armour, everyone can go through you anyway" so having heavily armoured tanks finally have their armour matter is a positive. It forces players to learn how to combat them, shoot the gun, track them, shoot them from the side.
As if players haven't been playing Surgeon Simulator against German tanks for the past couple of years.
Well tbh the gun combined with the armor is a bit op
All they did was make one thick tank OP, its hasnt balanced the jumbo 76 or persh, it nerfed it.
WT players: Finally armor matters
Also WT players: gaijin i can't one shot the jumbo please fix broken tank Jumbo must be 9.0 to be belens
Yeah except it's ALSO very fast ALSO has a better gun that 99.99% of tanks it faces (100% in a downtier) and is literally BRAINDEAD to play... That's not balance.
the music choice for this tank is perfect.
I love how this thing has a lower Repair cost than a super Pershing
1:34 "Boss you killed a child" "Mission success, you are the best Snake"
I’d agree with this except I’ve yet to get down tiered or even play at 6.0 with this tank yet and I made a 6.0 load out for it specifically. I’ve gotten 6.3-7.0 100% of the time thus far and so to me nothing has changed
This entire video can be summed up as "Boss, you killed a child... Amazing. Mission complete. That right there is why you're the best, Boss." every time Spookston gets a kill.
Who would have guessed Germany is op
youre a clown
That scream added to the T-34-85 dropping a brick. Priceless.
*And people say Germany are suffering.*
they are
Awesome video, nice kills, nice music, all is good 👌🏻
Now let's see an average player do this
It's not that hard
Considering these were down tiers, its really not that hard. Even at 6.7 this thing works well.
0:42 the name safety instruktor ain't that guy name called boo
German mains: *Germany suffers*
Also German mains:
*russian tank that gets to do this but even better*
The god line up is now the Panther A, F, and JagdPanther paired with the ME410 B6.
Its absolutely overpowered as hell
Germany has insane lineups almost everywhere. Crazy what happens when every tank and round is balanced in a way that removes real life intangibles.
"The Jagdpanther Is Balanced"
never has been
It's back at 6.3 and still an absolute monster XD
it used to be at a BR where everyone has HEAT-FS and its armour would be useless, now it's playable again.
Seeing the gun fire in third person is a total power trip
I still remember the time one of these things blocked my apcr round, I was using the super person and just one shotted me
Not that I support this things br decrease, but tbf I don’t think apcr ever does too well against angled armour :(
@@ashrodrigues3571 init lol…was so shocked when I 1 shot a kt with 90mm apcr
Don't use apcr, especially on angled armor
Dont throw APCR super persons at tanks, thats against the geneva conventions
The Super Pershing can pen the Jagdpanther through the front with APCBC and APBC, APCR for the Jagdpanther with the long 90mm isn't needed.
6.0 is the sweetspot for it, finally picked it up after years collecting dust in the hangar - love it!
Welp yea of course it's better, it's undertiered
it's blatantly overpowered, immune to common 6.0 guns from the front and capable of lolpenning everything it sees apart from T28
@@jjmerrow8062 Having it at 6.3 or 6.7 effectively means full uptiers 90% of the time, rendering it unplayable. I am getting onetapped from the front anyway, no idea why are you struggling against it.
Honestly i stopped play this game, men i can't understand their economic mode and i have Short Patience and not big time to this game
@Leplivo germans yes they are op but the main problem its not "skills" is just that when i go in a battle i cant spawn more than 2 times even if play with cheap vehicles , the rewards is getting worse when a update comes they are shitty i won sometimes 10k per battle but i lose around 4k - 8k when playing tier iii - up, also another problem i finded is that premium people are prone to make suicidal tactics without caring about what they won or lose because they have talismans and golden eagles. And common players have to deal with loss and gains... Thats why I said goodbye to this game
@Leplivo i feel sorry for you
@Leplivo ikr
The fact that you know where to shoot on so many different tanks is insane
Put enough time into the game and it becomes second nature
Personally never enjoyed playing nor fighting this thing, it was always too easy to kill and died because its armour was useless, big American guns always went through and the British laughed at the idea of anything having armour. The Russian 122 is a reliable killer. I enjoy fighting the Jagdpanther a lot more now that it's been lowered, it really plays to armour meta, that being, it actually has some now. Mind you I'm talking from the position of someone not playing Germany. I think almost all casemate vehicles should be lowered. Have them be nigh-invincible in the front.
As a Germany player I'm fairly happy with it as well, I could care less if I get a load of kills or not but actually having my armor matter feels great. I'm a big heavy tank and td person and the jagdpanther just feels great to use. a lot of other heavy tanks/tds just don't feel good to use anymore with up tiers and even sometimes at there BR just because the armor isn't enough to do anything and I just feel like a big slow target with a good punch and depending on how much of an up tier is might not even be that good of a punch
@Lukáš Znojemský Okay, but now the Jagdpanther has armour. Armour should be the staple of all TD's and Heavies.
@Lukáš Znojemský The "mini-jumbo" with 105mm cannon in 2.7 is nearly immortal upfront too, and the cannon is very good too, the only flaw of that tank is the horrible turret traverse.
Idk why but the handling and driving of this thing is so smooth and perfect
There is German bias in this game, all their tanks are undertiered
It's actually just a skill issue of the players lol, because Gaijin "balances" based on Win Rates they don't take in the fact that most players start out with Germany and thus there's a major skill issue with them.
@@noahcaddeo4559 Yes I know but this is not ok, how can gaijin not know that?
@@noahcaddeo4559 so more or less most German players are idiot wheraboos that watch a TH-cam video about that one tiger ace that got a lot of kills and try to bee line it to 5.3 on the German tech tree
You Seem like lucky guy, appareantly this is just me but when i play German 5.7-6.7 first thing i know is the enemy has 4 P47 in the air like 2 minutes in the match or i have a Sherman shoot me through my MG port at 1,5 kilometers distance
And then you realize that he only put in down tiers and and that almost every 6.3 and up can kill it from the front. Not really defending it at 6.0 could easily be 6.7 but its not unkillable. Any tank can kill it from the side plus german players are maybe not as good as spookston.
ODSTs music in the outro is a nice choice
I was about to uninstall war thunder after seeing this nonsense, but then realized I already have :'-(
cant wait to soon get this!
In german player logic all their shell must penetrate and one-shot-kill enemy vehicles while no one should be able to penetrate their vehicle in any side.
I just want Schürzen to actually defeat HEAT for me for once.
literally no one thinks this.
To be fair, I didn't saw any uptier vehicle, so yeah, at 6.0 is a monster, but as soon it lands 6.7 it kinda suffer like any other heavy vehicle at that tier. Still I don't know why tf gaijin put him at 6.0 while at 6.3 was fair
@@jaxrammus9165 germany WW2 did, tiger 2, jagdtiger, panther, jagdpanther, maus..
Spook you find the absolute best tracks for these videos
Still more balanced than the Tiger II. (In my opinion).
bro youre fucking insane
Yeah tiger 2 vs Sherman 76 lmao
@@aod8770 I know. I basically just avoid 5.7 as America at this point. Maybe that makes me a terrible player, but I hate the king tiger at 5.7.
No
@@kanpai4370 You're right. My bad.
this is an amazing machine, also 6.0 sees a ton of downtiers compared to 6.3, its brutally powerful atm, use it alongside the panther f at 6.0
If anything this just proves that people don’t know how to aim for weak spots lmfao
If you are talking about the little ball machine gun weak spot than you would be hard pressed trying to hit that from 500m or more. And I wouldn't be taking any chances against a long 88. I'm not even sure if the short 75 or even the long 75 can reliably penetrate that weak spot.
@@spicysaladkid5098 welcome to every tiger H1 player’s experience against the jumbo
@@darthimperious8661 Not even close, you cant pen the tiger H1 with a jumbo, but the tiger can pen the Jumbo easy
@@darthimperious8661 if it makes you feel better most of the time the jumbo has zero options to kill you in a tiger. Plus if you play the op as fuck panther it doesn't fucking matter because you can punch straight through his armor while being invulnerable to his return fire. Now stfu about the jp because clearly you don't know shit about the game enough to say something that doesn't sound stupid
@@casematecardinal commander hatch
0:43
My entire experience with any of the german decently-armored tanks, except they don't miss and I die.