I am sorry but I do not understand.your comment on my comment. I found the talk on the tactical use of the vehicle very interesting and I met him a couple of weeks before?
This is a very good production but adding a bit more dynamic photography (vs. mostly the 2 static angles) around the current vehicle amidst the narrative and historic imagery would really kick it up a notch. It's a beautiful exhibit so let's look at it while we listen!
The concept of a tank destroyer is just so cool. I wonder if a self propelled howitzer thats optimized for straight shooting with added armor would be usefule today.
No one knew. Today WE KNOW because we know the evolution of tanks. They were breaking new ground. If you think that you understand tank design better than hundreds of German engineers, that's a bit, um, egotistical.
@@andrewwoodhead3141 You’re kinda right, they were developed at the same time and the Jagdpanther rolled into mass production two months before the Hetzer
My father was a driver of the jagpanther having driven the nashorn in Russia transferred to sennelager for training on the jagpanther then sent to France.His unit was H Pz Jg.Abt 655,the tank was disabled just out side eindoven Holland in 1944 where my father became a p.o.w.He did not talk much about it ,one quote he told me was they only had 3 shells left as the bins were full of drinks and food.
One problem for Germany during WW-1 had been the nourishing, despite still being in control of the vast Polish prairie territories. That had been considered one of the major causes for the population getting sick of war fatigue.
Thank you for the correct pronounciation of my hometown Braunschweig as well as MIAG.(wich stands for Mühlen Industrie AG, a company that originally produced equipment for Mills(=Mühlen))
The Jagdpanther is referred to as a new kind of Sturmgeschutz in the first documents. It is proposed to give it the same radio equipment as the Sturmgeschutz based on the Panzer III, namely the Fu.G.16. But the evidence says it went into service with the Panzer intercom and radio. All five of the crew are connected to the intercom via headsets. At 14:42 you can see the socket boxes for the loader's headset (extreme left) and the gunner's (below the grenade launcher). At 14:31 you can glimpse the driver's socket box, attached flat on top of the corner of the bin. At 14:49 you can see the empty frame that held the radio set, tucked into the front right corner of the vehicle, beside the MG. But that's the second position of the radio set. Originally it was put on top of the large ammunition bin in lower right of the image.
As usual, fully entertaining and informative. David must be up for an OBE for his lockdown production. Good man, starting to look like David Fletcher's younger brother. Good show all round. Cheers
I was at the museum at the weekend, had a great time even the missus enjoyed it. Thanks to all and thoroughly recommended, more family friendly than you might expect. 👍
A quick message to Londoners (and the others of course) - if you want to see Jagdpanther tank destroyer just visit Imperial War Museum in London. They cut off side armour so you can see fighting compartment.
Agree about Duxford. Unless they have moved it back to London, I went to IWM London about 10yrs ago, I asked where the Jagdpanther was, it had been moved to Duxford.
An interesting little known fact, not mentioned here. If you look at pictures of Jagdpanthers in WW2, they seem to usually have their tracks on back to front unlike Panthers. You can tell by the direction of the chevrons. Presumably to back away quicker after firing.
As much as I love the Jagdpanther, I would hope you would do a presentation on the Jagdpanzer IV Sd.Kfz 162 because hardly anyone makes any content about that vehicle
that is my favorite German tank destroyer, I find it majestic. convenient, low profile, so the easier it is to hide, it's transmission was better and lighter than the panther, sloped armor on the front could ping a few rounds, it would penetrate everything the allies had, and ofcourse, IT WAS RELIABLE,. It was better than the Jagdtiger overall. only problem, it was being produced at the same time with the panther and it had to deal with the Allied bombing campaign, so it was rare to find them.
Awesome tank destroyer. Too bad there's so little information about the Jagdpanther units sent to the east front. Nobody talks about their combat in the east, where most of them went.
Great content as usual . However I did find the camera work a bit irritating though with weird side views of presentation and too many changes/cuts of angle which I found a bit distracting - not up to Bovington usual very high standards.
The much vaunted 88 in the Tiger one actually had less penetrating power than the Panther's 75 ... Tiger one uses the shell on the left, the Panther's shell looked much like the one on the right used in the Tiger two and Jagdpanther , very high energy/muzzle velocity .. Jagdpanther, my favorite tank destroyer and just a nicely laid out vehicle
Don Beary That was true up to 2,000 metres. Beyond that the Tiger I's gun caught up with the Panther's and actually had superior penetrating power over 2,500 metres.
Great video as per usual! A few peeps really don't understand that a mm diameter size is independent to the breech size/design. Some say "oh the 76mm is only 1mm bigger than the old Sherman 75mm", without seeing that the physical round (projectile + casing) is nearly double the weight
Oh definitely caliber doesn't equate power / size of round. If I remember correctly the US 76mm is actually 75mm, they just called it that to prevent supply line confusion.
It's like 7.62mm. You got; 7.62x51mm NATO 7.62x39mm AK47 round. 7.62x54R PKM/Dragunov round etc Non are interchangeable, contrary to what a former infantry mate thought.🙂 Chamber dictates the round, bore size dictates what will go down the barrel.
@@R.Sole88109 and technically, the .30-30, .30-06 and the .308win and 7.62 Tokarev are also 7.62mm bullets, but different weight, case length, and case volume. The last one beeing a pistol round!
I agree, I had no idea that Direction Finding was that well developed. Think of the organization of the DF unit and the coordination with artillery and all that would be required back then! Very impressive.
Indeed. German radios gave them such an advantage against the Russians and French. Kudos to the Brits(Americans too?) for figuring out how to use them against them!
As though the American tank men didn,t have enough on their minds worrying about concealed Tigers ready to pounce. imagine the shock and horror they must have felt when one of these monsters appeared out the mist
If I was forced to fight in WW II but could choose ANY armoured fighting vehicule it would be what is the most beautiful as well. Capable of knocking anything out and then scooting away at a good speed to prevent over runs yet also great armor. My #1 choice
As long as it doesn't break down or run out of fuel or receive mission kill damage from artillery - yeah its a beaut of a vehicle. It's quite ironic that the initial German advantages as per the Battle of France - use of radio comms to enable tank units to work together in an efficient manner becomes a weakness later in the war with the allied development of electronic warfare. It seems that when all of the stars aligned this vehicle could cause a hell of a lot of damage, but these instances didn't occur frequently or regularly enough to swing the tide of battle.
Seeing the Osprey book on the Greman attack on the Maginot Line in 1940, it's a salutory experience to see the photos of the destructive power of the 88 against fortifications.
Thank You. Undeniably an aesthetically pleasing and powerfully armed design but the mechanical issues , lack of vision and the British army's use of artillery requiring the constant movement of this vehicle makes me wonder about it's real value
Consider the vast majority were used against the real threat from the east, I'd say it's value was immeasurable. Germany top "tank" used was the Stug iii. These were a step in the right direction against the newer heavier armored Soviet tanks.
@@jamesmandahl444 Not my words those of the curator of the tank museum. But in reply to your comment History says they obviously did😂😂😂 I mean if you recall WW2 ended with an allied Victory. 😁😊😊😊
@@ianbell5611 Because British tanks were so more reliable? Churchill had to adjust their steering every 250 miles and most Churchills did not even reach 1000miles bevor the engine needed an overhaul. That's way below the performance of the average panther since spring 1944. The 4th cold stream guards used a captured panther as a recovery vehicle for their Churchills during the winter month.
@@HaVoC117X You'll get no argument from me regards the Churchill, but it doesn't change the faults identified with and in the deployment of the Jagdpanther highlighted in the Curators video of which I passed comment on. You have a Great day 😁
I can’t believe there hadn’t been a tank chat about the Jagdpanther yet! I just assumed it had been one of the first. Just shows how much there is to talk about
But not half as tough as those brave Russians, who, lets be honest, wiped the decks with those Nazi scum! Ivan and his fearless comrades, particularly the Siberians. Oh, and lets not forget the indefatigable frontline Russian Women who frightened the bejesus out of the invading fascist hordes.
The cannons were tapered as well, narrowing towards the muzzle and the cannon had to be rebarreled after 4 to 5 hundred rounds of AP. I don’t like to justify aerial bombing but the 88’s used in defending Germany took up a great deal of industry and manpower.
One frankenjagdpanther now in Cairns. Non runner, but can’t wait to get up there in August Tankfest to check it out. The Australian Armour and Artillery Museum. Get your self there and poke fun at the Sentinels’ hull gun.
I love these super informative videos. Thank you! I just wish that there would be video of the interior of the tank you have. I don't care if it's been restored or not.
Sleek and simple looking, beautiful really…just like a Mercedes….20 days later, usually major over complicated expensive to fix, cheaper to build new old lol…..timed tested German tech
@@TrySomeFentanyl That's what I've read as well. Scheisse, the Allies are nearly here, get it built, slap on some matt tan over the red oxide and get it into the fight.
Very interesting background information. A great video. The only challenge is the delivery that is confused and convoluted. The second time that I watched it, it was, finally, clear.
17:00 Always, always, _always_ quoting some actual source material at some point. Not reading out from Wikipedia but quoting the actual documents written _at the time._
My favorite tank, still have my 1/35th scale model, from Tamiya I think it was bult around 1980/81. The electric engine no longer works and is missing a few pieces from the wheels but is still intact.
8:34 Almost 1,5 metres of effective armour ey? Imagine if that was actually true, you could've shot it with a gun from Schwerer Gustav and it'd just shrug it off! (for the pedants out there that is obviously hyperbole...)
I visited the Weald Foundation a few years ago and they were kind enough to let me inside their Jagdpanther. It's a beast of a machine but intensely claustrophobic inside. I was imagining the carnage if the crew found themselves sharing that space with the business end of an AT shell.
Aside from the design issues, practicalities, production and operational history etc. it is one of the most spectacular looking armoured vehicles of all time. Few things look more lethal or efficient - even if this wasn't exactly the case. Oh, and, great presentation too! Thanks.
I think it probably was a efficient weapon in and of itself (well... after they finally fixed the final drive). But war is about combined arms and teamwork. By the time it was deployed the Germans were disadvantaged in almost every way. Too few tanks, infantry, and artillery. Almost no air support, need for radio silence because Allied superiority in artillery and air support. Not enough fuel. Always retreating, so even lightly damaged vehicles had to be abandoned.
2:20 Another great example of why same caliber doesn't mean interchangeable would be the german 7.5 rounds for the Panzer 4, as compared to the long 75 on the Panther series.
Very good presentation of this formidable vehicle, as a scale model builder I built the Tamiya 1/35 Jagdpanther a few years ago and its one of my favorite display pieces, this is a great model kit with good detail and builds well for any modeler thats interested
The typical anti-tank gun had the problem of manouverability on the battlefield, especially a heavy gun like this one. You would need a tractor to drag it to its location, and then of course, once you wanted to move it, you would need to bring that tractor in again. If you were on the defensive, such weapons inevitably would have to be abandoned on the battlefield once you were forced to retreat, as there would be little hope of bringing a heavy tractor up to the front during combat and hitching up such a big gun and driving off with it. How much more sense does it make to have these be self-propelled? Then you can do away with tractors, and, as that German commander said, you can move the vehicle away from its location to another spot and not have to worry about your crew coming under artillery fire (hello SU 76 crews). Of course, the Normandy bocage is not the place for vehicles like this; it would be so much more effective to use them on the eastern front. As for using them on the offensive,. hmm I'm still not convinced about that argument.
I consider this as the most formidable tank destroyer (vehicle) the Allies and Soviets had to face on the battlefield. Stealthy, armoured and absolutely lethal. One if not the favourite vehicle of the war.
This tank first came to my attention in the old Commando comics i read growing up. This was the tank that started my obsession with military vehicles ❤️❤️❤️
Great tank, feels like a waste. Sure the gun is good, but what couldn’t a panther kill that you needed that gun for? Surely economy of scale investment into the panther would have simplified things. Each new tank design makes supplying your current tanks harder.
True, but as the war progressed and new tanks by the allies were coming out (assuming had German had not capitulated yet), definitely something that might be needed to deal with the new tanks. Look at how many new tanks from the Allies that were late to the war but rolled out immediately post ww2.
I discovered this beautiful tank when I played the Panzerblitz board-game as a teenager. I would love to see one in person someday! (I think the camo painted on this treasure is hideous, whose terrible idea was that???)
I was going to say the same thing, but I couldn't remember if it was Panzer Leader or the specific name of that Avalon Hill game... But ya, ever since I was 15 or so when I first discovered this beauty, and still 35+ years later it still strikes some kind of primal chord in my psyche when I see it (in a good/great way). But ya, that paint job is horrible I agree... It ALMOST makes the Jagdpanther NOT look 'sexy'. ;)
@@briankrause2359 great memories, right Brian? Panzer Leader was the sequel game to Panzer Blitz (which pictured a jagdpanther on the cover), and it was the Western Front, while Panzer Blitz was the Russian Front. The SU-152 was the ugly monster we feared and we loved and respected the jagdpanther for its look and that awesome 88.
I look forward to all the tank chats, and find them very interesting, whoever presents them. But PLEASE can you sort out your cameraman - I get fed up with David talking to someone over on my right - its very disconcerting. The IWM does it too, but its far worse, to the extent I can't watch them anymore! Thank you.
Absolutely wonderful presentation on the jagdpanther. Very informative, educational, and interesting. The camouflage pattern of the vehicle depicted is quite unique. The Germans definitely were innovative on their use of camo schemes. On a side note, the jagdpanther had a decent range regarding its fuel.
As an apprentice in the late 60's I built the Tank Museum an L60 Chieftain engine for display purposes. Every bit was cr*p, it had to be but looked perfect. It took me a month scrounging odd parts but after painting by hand I was rather proud of the beast. I went on holiday and saw 'my' engine. It had crisp packets in the exhaust manifold pipes. The next time I went it had gone. All I can say is bo**ocks, what a waste of my time. I also got involved (as workshop manager by then) with a Comet tank. I didn't bother finding bits, it was simply passed on. Remember the FVRDE Bovington ? Excellent video.
Hello, Tank Nuts! Enjoy discovering all about Jagdpanther with Curator David Willey.
Cheers Legend 👍🏻
David helped a lot of people get through the Lockdowns of the last 2 years thanks from me m8 from Australia 🇦🇺
Looking forward to tankfest :)
I wiah I could got to the museum but sadly its not in the US
These videos are always great 👍🏻
The most interesting chat yet. I met David t 2 weeks ago lovely man and very generous with his time.
Thanks you.
Very knowledgeable armor historian.
I am sorry but I do not understand.your comment on my comment. I found the talk on the tactical use of the vehicle very interesting and I met him a couple of weeks before?
This is a very good production but adding a bit more dynamic photography (vs. mostly the 2 static angles) around the current vehicle amidst the narrative and historic imagery would really kick it up a notch. It's a beautiful exhibit so let's look at it while we listen!
The concept of a tank destroyer is just so cool. I wonder if a self propelled howitzer thats optimized for straight shooting with added armor would be usefule today.
Was just wondering when you would make a video with this tank, and here it is! Thanks👍did you read my mind?
Fantastic David. Thank you.
I need one of these for my living room.
Trying to squeeze the 88 gun on a Panzer IV chassis seems ludicrous, especially with a long barrel.
Yes, that sums up German AFV development during the war.
_The Nashorn/Hornisse had a completely different opinion _*_. . ._*
No one knew. Today WE KNOW because we know the evolution of tanks. They were breaking new ground. If you think that you understand tank design better than hundreds of German engineers, that's a bit, um, egotistical.
Soviets put a long 122mm gun in a tank smaller than a Tiger 2
WW2 was a ludicrous time
Great video
Greta video - thank you very much!
The keys greatest of panzer Germany tanks is it was used second generation (leopard)
Here’s a question is it possible to fire this new 88mm ammo from the older 88mm Gun ?
No, they are not compatible. The shell casing is a lot larger.
No, the won’t fit in the breach which is too short.
you also can't fire the old 88mm ammo in the new gun as that would be like waving a pencil in a cave...
They are currently going through a total rebuild of one of these at the Australian Armour & Artillery Museum in Queensland
Non running and no interior though, I think?
Maybe they’ll give it a better paint scheme.
They have a great YT channel. New episodes every Wednesday!
The long term aim, I believe, is to get it running but getting a suitable engine is likely to be the biggest issue.
not a rebuild, a new build. a lot of collected parts and the main hull parts were unused found on the site of a tank afctory
Probably one of the most beautiful tank hunters ever built.
ironically the one in the tank museum has the ugliest paint job
Total agreement.
@@scottp4357 💀
Disagrees in StuG III.F
@@Erwin_Von_Heidenheim lol that box
Whatever you think of it from a practical military perspective, you have to admit, that is one sexy tank
Hell yeah, it’s like a super sized Hetzer
It was one of my favorite models ot build.
@@Icetea-2000 Or is Hetzer like a tiny little Jagdpanther ?!??
@@andrewwoodhead3141 You’re kinda right, they were developed at the same time and the Jagdpanther rolled into mass production two months before the Hetzer
@@Icetea-2000 I'm not sure you can call it ''mass production'' though,.... 🤔
Definitely the best tank chat! A lot of information, brilliantly presented and included the reports from the front they much appreciated!
My father was a driver of the jagpanther having driven the nashorn in Russia transferred to sennelager for training on the jagpanther then sent to France.His unit was H Pz Jg.Abt 655,the tank was disabled just out side eindoven Holland in 1944 where my father became a p.o.w.He did not talk much about it ,one quote he told me was they only had 3 shells left as the bins were full of drinks and food.
Outside of eindhoven? I live 5 minutes from eindhoven. Do you know the location? I could go there and make some pictures for you
@@Ray-lf1eothis is a f awesome comment🙏🇩🇪🪖😎
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One problem for Germany
during WW-1 had been the nourishing,
despite still being in control of the vast Polish prairie territories.
That had been considered one of the major causes for the population getting sick of war fatigue.
Was he a naz i?
I had the pleasure to see one close up at Munster, what a beauty.
Lived there for 11 years!!
Thank you for the correct pronounciation of my hometown Braunschweig as well as MIAG.(wich stands for Mühlen Industrie AG, a company that originally produced equipment for Mills(=Mühlen))
Jawohl!.
Don't worry he'll be shot at dawn the blackadder firing squad are on the way. mien herr
When you see this vehicle in person it just looks so modern and capable
I met David at the museum, possibly on the day he shot this. Honestly so down to earth, chatted with me for ages and was just a really nice chap.
My favorite AFV of the war. Absolutely love the design of this thing.
Agreed, it’s aesthetically pleasing. Absolutely timeless.
Agreed its absolutely beautiful and timeless, sleek and rough
Beautifully brutal.
Jpz IV/70 for the aesthetic win. =)
This was one of the first 1/35th scale models I ever built and it's still one of my favorite AFVs
I got it 1/72 scale. Sleek vehicle.
It must have been a nice project.
Also my very first 1/35 and very first Tamiya kit I ever built way back in 1968.
I built a couple by hand, converting from Airfix Panther kits. They were the envy of my wargaming friends at the time.
Trumpeter makes a fantastic kit! Either full interior or as curbside
Gorgeous tank, with its cousin the Panther, the best looking tanks of WWII.
I think the King Tiger with the so called 'Porsche' turret was the best looking tank of WW2.
The Jagdpanther is referred to as a new kind of Sturmgeschutz in the first documents.
It is proposed to give it the same radio equipment as the Sturmgeschutz based on the Panzer III, namely the Fu.G.16.
But the evidence says it went into service with the Panzer intercom and radio.
All five of the crew are connected to the intercom via headsets.
At 14:42 you can see the socket boxes for the loader's headset (extreme left) and the gunner's (below the grenade launcher).
At 14:31 you can glimpse the driver's socket box, attached flat on top of the corner of the bin.
At 14:49 you can see the empty frame that held the radio set, tucked into the front right corner of the vehicle, beside the MG. But that's the second position of the radio set. Originally it was put on top of the large ammunition bin in lower right of the image.
Thanks for the info!
Secondary position, or revised position?
@@Scapestoat Revised position. The design of the vehicle was changed for ergonomic reasons.
As usual, fully entertaining and informative. David must be up for an OBE for his lockdown production. Good man, starting to look like David Fletcher's younger brother. Good show all round. Cheers
David doesn't dawdle and babble about like some British experts on the subject. David, like you for your concise reports.
I was at the museum at the weekend, had a great time even the missus enjoyed it. Thanks to all and thoroughly recommended, more family friendly than you might expect. 👍
A very formidable looking tank destroyer. The Allies were fortunate that it came too late in the war to be used the way that it had been designed.
The original 88 was a .44 special. The KWK 43 is a .44 magnum
30-06 vs .50 BMG
A quick message to Londoners (and the others of course) - if you want to see Jagdpanther tank destroyer just visit Imperial War Museum in London. They cut off side armour so you can see fighting compartment.
I'm pretty sure it got moved to Duxford
Yeah it's now at Duxford, I saw it there last year
@@dylanmilne6683 Oh I wasn't aware of it!
Agree about Duxford. Unless they have moved it back to London, I went to IWM London about 10yrs ago, I asked where the Jagdpanther was, it had been moved to Duxford.
The IWM London underwent a big refurb a few years ago. Maybe it was moved around that time. I always used to love seeing it when it was there though.
It's amazing how much detail the narrator has at the top of his mind. Like an encyclopedia.
Another brilliant video from my favourite TH-cam channel! This has always been one of my favourite AFVs, a very good looking vehicle.
Great ambush platform this JagdPanther was. Imagine being on the recieving end of that!!! No thank you. Very well done vid, as per usual.
An interesting little known fact, not mentioned here. If you look at pictures of Jagdpanthers in WW2, they seem to usually have their tracks on back to front unlike Panthers. You can tell by the direction of the chevrons.
Presumably to back away quicker after firing.
Say what you want about the the Germans in the 40s but they made the sexyst of tanks the tiger one is my favourite I would live in one if you let me
Looking at that Jagdpanther's 3-tone camo scheme, all I can think of is, "Mmmmmmm deadliest mocha latte EVER".
My Grandfather used to drive the Jagdpanthers from the MIAG to the shipping Place in Braunschweig.
As much as I love the Jagdpanther, I would hope you would do a presentation on the Jagdpanzer IV Sd.Kfz 162 because hardly anyone makes any content about that vehicle
The_Chieftain has already done one on the JPzIV for your consumption, if you want to watch it (iirc it's a 2-part series).
@@zanaduz2018 Thanks
that is my favorite German tank destroyer, I find it majestic. convenient, low profile, so the easier it is to hide, it's transmission was better and lighter than the panther, sloped armor on the front could ping a few rounds, it would penetrate everything the allies had, and ofcourse, IT WAS RELIABLE,. It was better than the Jagdtiger overall.
only problem, it was being produced at the same time with the panther and it had to deal with the Allied bombing campaign, so it was rare to find them.
Awesome tank destroyer. Too bad there's so little information about the Jagdpanther units sent to the east front. Nobody talks about their combat in the east, where most of them went.
Did they return or were they left behind ¿?
Can never get enough of these lovely cats 🐈
8:35 138cm? Should that be 138mm?
138cm is about 4 times thicker than the belt armour on Bismarck or Tirpitz!
He meant mm.
Despite its problems the Germans were much better off with this than the King Tiger.
Great content as usual . However I did find the camera work a bit irritating though with weird side views of presentation and too many changes/cuts of angle which I found a bit distracting - not up to Bovington usual very high standards.
oh i didnt know that the long 88 also used more propellent in the shells, thought it was just the longer barrel increasing velocity
They did both, to get maximum hitting power. The case for this gun is quite huge; the long barrel allows all that energy to fully extracted.
Agreed, it’s one of those things that makes perfect sense once you see it.
The much vaunted 88 in the Tiger one actually had less penetrating power than the Panther's 75 ... Tiger one uses the shell on the left, the Panther's shell looked much like the one on the right used in the Tiger two and Jagdpanther , very high energy/muzzle velocity .. Jagdpanther, my favorite tank destroyer and just a nicely laid out vehicle
@@donbeary6394 Cheers. I always wondered why the Panther 76.2 was so effective. It didn't make sense that it was simply because of a longer barrel.
Don Beary
That was true up to 2,000 metres. Beyond that the Tiger I's gun caught up with the Panther's and actually had superior penetrating power over 2,500 metres.
Great video as per usual!
A few peeps really don't understand that a mm diameter size is independent to the breech size/design.
Some say "oh the 76mm is only 1mm bigger than the old Sherman 75mm", without seeing that the physical round (projectile + casing) is nearly double the weight
Oh definitely caliber doesn't equate power / size of round. If I remember correctly the US 76mm is actually 75mm, they just called it that to prevent supply line confusion.
It's like 7.62mm. You got;
7.62x51mm NATO
7.62x39mm AK47 round.
7.62x54R PKM/Dragunov round etc
Non are interchangeable, contrary to what a former infantry mate thought.🙂
Chamber dictates the round, bore size dictates what will go down the barrel.
@@R.Sole88109 and technically, the .30-30, .30-06 and the .308win and 7.62 Tokarev are also 7.62mm bullets, but different weight, case length, and case volume.
The last one beeing a pistol round!
@@SonsOfLorgar That 7.62 Tok is a surprising performer. I saw a video years ago of that round penetrating a PASGT helmet.
For me this had always been the coolest of the German cats.
Superb report. I especially like the quotes by a German Officer on tactical employment. Thanks for another great production.
Jagdpanter - Who knew that a tank design could actually be beautiful.
*Slaps tank-destroyer*
This tank-destroyer can hunt* so many Panthers!
I love these tank chats with David Willey, he is such a good narrator and he is my favourite narrator.
Interesting to hear wireless DF as a real time anti-tank capability.
I agree, I had no idea that Direction Finding was that well developed. Think of the organization of the DF unit and the coordination with artillery and all that would be required back then! Very impressive.
Indeed. German radios gave them such an advantage against the Russians and French. Kudos to the Brits(Americans too?) for figuring out how to use them against them!
@@whirving Indicative of the Western Allies approach to all arms warfare and Y.
As though the American tank men didn,t have enough on their minds worrying about concealed Tigers ready to pounce. imagine the shock and horror they must have felt when one of these monsters appeared out the mist
If I was forced to fight in WW II but could choose ANY armoured fighting vehicule it would be what is the most beautiful as well. Capable of knocking anything out and then scooting away at a good speed to prevent over runs yet also great armor. My #1 choice
As long as it doesn't break down or run out of fuel or receive mission kill damage from artillery - yeah its a beaut of a vehicle. It's quite ironic that the initial German advantages as per the Battle of France - use of radio comms to enable tank units to work together in an efficient manner becomes a weakness later in the war with the allied development of electronic warfare.
It seems that when all of the stars aligned this vehicle could cause a hell of a lot of damage, but these instances didn't occur frequently or regularly enough to swing the tide of battle.
Seeing the Osprey book on the Greman attack on the Maginot Line in 1940, it's a salutory experience to see the photos of the destructive power of the 88 against fortifications.
that was the l/56, this was armed with the l/71 which was way more powerful 1130m/s vs780m/s
Thank You.
Undeniably an aesthetically pleasing and powerfully armed design but the mechanical issues , lack of vision and the British army's use of artillery requiring the constant movement of this vehicle makes me wonder about it's real value
Consider the vast majority were used against the real threat from the east, I'd say it's value was immeasurable. Germany top "tank" used was the Stug iii. These were a step in the right direction against the newer heavier armored Soviet tanks.
Haters hatin as usual. Goofy allied AFVs never had a chance!
@@jamesmandahl444
Not my words those of the curator of the tank museum.
But in reply to your comment History says they obviously did😂😂😂
I mean if you recall WW2 ended with an allied Victory.
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Because British tanks were so more reliable? Churchill had to adjust their steering every 250 miles and most Churchills did not even reach 1000miles bevor the engine needed an overhaul. That's way below the performance of the average panther since spring 1944.
The 4th cold stream guards used a captured panther as a recovery vehicle for their Churchills during the winter month.
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You'll get no argument from me regards the Churchill, but it doesn't change the faults identified with and in the deployment of the Jagdpanther highlighted in the Curators video of which I passed comment on.
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I can’t believe there hadn’t been a tank chat about the Jagdpanther yet! I just assumed it had been one of the first. Just shows how much there is to talk about
The most beautiful AFV ever gone to battle!!!
Keeping the feline mood, the Jagdpanther was like Julie Newmar in attractiveness ...
Damn Germany made some awesome weapons we finally defeated them in World War II but it took the whole world and many years to do it, tough Fighters!
Indeed
Definitely a tough nut too crack.
But not half as tough as those brave Russians, who, lets be honest, wiped the decks with those Nazi scum! Ivan and his fearless comrades, particularly the Siberians. Oh, and lets not forget the indefatigable frontline Russian Women who frightened the bejesus out of the invading fascist hordes.
The cannons were tapered as well, narrowing towards the muzzle and the cannon had to be rebarreled after 4 to 5 hundred rounds of AP. I don’t like to justify aerial bombing but the 88’s used in defending Germany took up a great deal of industry and manpower.
Gerlich squeeze principle I think it was called🤔
@@ridegriff50 thank you
The 88 had a straight bore, no taper .
I doubt that any tank gun would last for that many rounds .
One frankenjagdpanther now in Cairns. Non runner, but can’t wait to get up there in August Tankfest to check it out.
The Australian Armour and Artillery Museum. Get your self there and poke fun at the Sentinels’ hull gun.
And see the largest display of antique and galvanised buckets on show in the Southern Hemisphere.
It's 20 mins from Kuranda where I live.
I love these super informative videos. Thank you! I just wish that there would be video of the interior of the tank you have. I don't care if it's been restored or not.
One of the best tank chats yet! Thank you so much for putting this together...love all the extra information in these longer-format videos.
Sleek and simple looking, beautiful really…just like a Mercedes….20 days later, usually major over complicated expensive to fix, cheaper to build new old lol…..timed tested German tech
Why did the museum slather it in vanilla chocolate custard?
Pretty sure thats what the original camo would be late war.
@@TrySomeFentanyl That's what I've read as well.
Scheisse, the Allies are nearly here, get it built, slap on some matt tan over the red oxide and get it into the fight.
Another superb presentation David... Nothing beats a Friday lunchtime when one of your videos are released - thanks again
Finally a chat on an iconic vehicle again! Been waiting for like 3 months.
Jagdpanther looks so slick.
Very interesting background information. A great video. The only challenge is the delivery that is confused and convoluted. The second time that I watched it, it was, finally, clear.
the strv 103 (s tank) looks cooler but this is still one of the cooler looking SPG/tank destroyers, or MBTs based on that type
17:00 Always, always, _always_ quoting some actual source material at some point.
Not reading out from Wikipedia but quoting the actual documents written _at the time._
My favorite tank, still have my 1/35th scale model, from Tamiya I think it was bult around 1980/81. The electric engine no longer works and is missing a few pieces from the wheels but is still intact.
My grandad served as a mime-artist attached to a Panzer division
After the war, he never spoke about what he did
8:34 Almost 1,5 metres of effective armour ey?
Imagine if that was actually true, you could've shot it with a gun from Schwerer Gustav and it'd just shrug it off! (for the pedants out there that is obviously hyperbole...)
I caught that too lol
I visited the Weald Foundation a few years ago and they were kind enough to let me inside their Jagdpanther. It's a beast of a machine but intensely claustrophobic inside. I was imagining the carnage if the crew found themselves sharing that space with the business end of an AT shell.
Aside from the design issues, practicalities, production and operational history etc. it is one of the most spectacular looking armoured vehicles of all time. Few things look more lethal or efficient - even if this wasn't exactly the case. Oh, and, great presentation too! Thanks.
I think it probably was a efficient weapon in and of itself (well... after they finally fixed the final drive). But war is about combined arms and teamwork. By the time it was deployed the Germans were disadvantaged in almost every way. Too few tanks, infantry, and artillery. Almost no air support, need for radio silence because Allied superiority in artillery and air support. Not enough fuel. Always retreating, so even lightly damaged vehicles had to be abandoned.
My favorite tank...but an absolutely ghastly camo scheme... Who thinks they had time to paint a vehicle that way?
2:20 Another great example of why same caliber doesn't mean interchangeable would be the german 7.5 rounds for the Panzer 4, as compared to the long 75 on the Panther series.
Very good presentation of this formidable vehicle, as a scale model builder I built the Tamiya 1/35 Jagdpanther a few years ago and its one of my favorite display pieces, this is a great model kit with good detail and builds well for any modeler thats interested
As a ThyssenKrupp employee: Krupp is pronounced more like you said "Funker" :-) Great video by the way.
The typical anti-tank gun had the problem of manouverability on the battlefield, especially a heavy gun like this one. You would need a tractor to drag it to its location, and then of course, once you wanted to move it, you would need to bring that tractor in again.
If you were on the defensive, such weapons inevitably would have to be abandoned on the battlefield once you were forced to retreat, as there would be little hope of bringing a heavy tractor up to the front during combat and hitching up such a big gun and driving off with it.
How much more sense does it make to have these be self-propelled? Then you can do away with tractors, and, as that German commander said, you can move the vehicle away from its location to another spot and not have to worry about your crew coming under artillery fire (hello SU 76 crews).
Of course, the Normandy bocage is not the place for vehicles like this; it would be so much more effective to use them on the eastern front.
As for using them on the offensive,. hmm I'm still not convinced about that argument.
Thank you so much for this brilliant, entertaining and educating presentation.
I consider this as the most formidable tank destroyer (vehicle) the Allies and Soviets had to face on the battlefield. Stealthy, armoured and absolutely lethal.
One if not the favourite vehicle of the war.
Stealthy?! Its bloody enormous.
@@JohnyG29 Camouflage is an artform :)
Also, hedges, forests etc.
@@JohnyG29 it’s very easy to hide though.
8:34 - "About 138cm..." From 80mm starting? David confirms the German's use of the Occult. :)
Thank God the Germans could not build more of these things.
Those shells are huge.
about the 88mm
Flak = AA role
KwK = tank gun
PaK = jagpanzer gun
and they are different ^^
Awesome. Greetings from Australia. Can’t wait to get back to the UK
I like how his voice and how he delivered each word
It's so clean it is so easy to understand.
This tank first came to my attention in the old Commando comics i read growing up. This was the tank that started my obsession with military vehicles ❤️❤️❤️
I had a great childhood with these comics 😍
Me too. Plus the Warlord comic - anybody remember 'Tank Hunters'?
Incredible tank........great video and very informative
Great tank, feels like a waste. Sure the gun is good, but what couldn’t a panther kill that you needed that gun for? Surely economy of scale investment into the panther would have simplified things. Each new tank design makes supplying your current tanks harder.
True, but as the war progressed and new tanks by the allies were coming out (assuming had German had not capitulated yet), definitely something that might be needed to deal with the new tanks. Look at how many new tanks from the Allies that were late to the war but rolled out immediately post ww2.
I discovered this beautiful tank when I played the Panzerblitz board-game as a teenager. I would love to see one in person someday! (I think the camo painted on this treasure is hideous, whose terrible idea was that???)
I was going to say the same thing, but I couldn't remember if it was Panzer Leader or the specific name of that Avalon Hill game... But ya, ever since I was 15 or so when I first discovered this beauty, and still 35+ years later it still strikes some kind of primal chord in my psyche when I see it (in a good/great way). But ya, that paint job is horrible I agree... It ALMOST makes the Jagdpanther NOT look 'sexy'. ;)
@@briankrause2359 great memories, right Brian? Panzer Leader was the sequel game to Panzer Blitz (which pictured a jagdpanther on the cover), and it was the Western Front, while Panzer Blitz was the Russian Front. The SU-152 was the ugly monster we feared and we loved and respected the jagdpanther for its look and that awesome 88.
its called kroop not the way u pronounce it. KROOP
All your jagdpanthers are belong to us.
I look forward to all the tank chats, and find them very interesting, whoever presents them. But PLEASE can you sort out your cameraman - I get fed up with David talking to someone over on my right - its very disconcerting. The IWM does it too, but its far worse, to the extent I can't watch them anymore! Thank you.
It's just gorgeous
I was an expert Jagdpanther Commander as I successfully defended many points with this tank in Company of Heroes
Absolutely wonderful presentation on the jagdpanther. Very informative, educational, and interesting. The camouflage pattern of the vehicle depicted is quite unique. The Germans definitely were innovative on their use of camo schemes. On a side note, the jagdpanther had a decent range regarding its fuel.
As an apprentice in the late 60's I built the Tank Museum an L60 Chieftain engine for display purposes. Every bit was cr*p, it had to be but looked perfect. It took me a month scrounging odd parts but after painting by hand I was rather proud of the beast. I went on holiday and saw 'my' engine. It had crisp packets in the exhaust manifold pipes. The next time I went it had gone. All I can say is bo**ocks, what a waste of my time. I also got involved (as workshop manager by then) with a Comet tank. I didn't bother finding bits, it was simply passed on. Remember the FVRDE Bovington ?
Excellent video.
Remember making one from an (Airfix?) kit in the 1970's. How successful was it on the battlefield & was the lack of a turret much of a disadvantage?
I had that one too & it came with a broken wall the tank was smashing through for effect.
glad you did this one