It will be interesting to see what is the Church's reaction to the finding that Aryan Invasion/Migration was just a figment of missionary (early academics/indologists) imagination. The motivation behind the Aryan Invasion Theory was two fold (a) to justify colonization of a more advanced civilization, and (b) to usurp the ancient Indian texts especially the Veda as early Christian "thought"! Aryan Theory justified colonization as the "second coming" of Europeans and rationalized by descriptions of "aboriginal Indians" (classified using the linguistic term Dravidian) as "a savage, primitive race incapable of civilization"! The Christian mission was to be a "civilizing mission"!
Hi Kushal, great one.. please take up Devdutt Patnaik's going bonkers over this finding in your podcast with Sam Sharma next , it's hilarious, basically "mythologist" devdutt patnaik has taken this busting of myth wayyy tooo personally, he is trying to prove the two race theory was legit with ridiculous arguments and has become outright abusive on Twitter.. he has lost it
If rakhigari is true.. and there s no aryan imgration theory.. Then it means harappan are ARYANS.? 🤔 Then harappans wrote mahabarata,? ramayana?. Veda? Manu dharama.. Concept of Yuga?.. All by harappan?. Means harappans spoke sanskrit?. They invented sanskrit? Prakriti? Bali? Dravidian languages?. Means aryabhatta a harappan gene? Chanakya's artha sastra a harappan?.. I am confused?. Please anyone explain. If ARYAN invasion theory by british is false then what is that king manu escaped by a dulge.by ship wd many people and vedas..?? I am confused . Please some one explain..
@@ekh-a-live7433 this is exactly how our history has been distorted by the British! The word ARYAN has come from the West - the Rig Veda and later literature use the term ARYA to denote respect, just as we say Sir in English. Even so, ancient Indian literary evidence has been very well established although we don't find any definitive archaeological evidence of the Rig Vedic Rishis, Ramayana or the Mahabharata and many later kingdoms. Similarly, we have archaeological evidence of the Sindhu-Saraswati Civilization (AKA Harappan after the first discovered site of Harappa and Indus Valley Civilization), with more sites rapidly coming up now between the ancient Saraswati and the Gangetic plains. In the south, we have evidence of Harappan material (possibly visiting traders) right down till the Godavari. The Rig Vedic people used Sanskrit language but didn't leave behind any written evidence. The Harappans had a writing system seen mostly in relation with trade which is till date undeciphered, but again, we don't know what language they used! Harappans in the coastal areas of Sindh, Kutch, and Gujarat were more involved in sea trade while those in the hinterland were agriculturists as well as producers of trade goods. However, there were other cultures which thrived simultaneously in pockets, like the Ahar Culture in Rajasthan. Patching together all this will probably give us cohesive multi-culture evidence of ancient India - meaning, it is possible that the Harappans and Vedic people along with other cultures all lived together, keeping their individuality. We need a lot more integrated archaeological work to be done and reports/simplified articles to be brought out into the public domain where people from other fields can use the evidence for further studies! I'd say it's obvious that we can't have had two of the greatest civilizations living simultaneously within one geographical region!!
Mitanni rulers who ruled iraq/syria from 16th century BCE as per the archeological records. They belong to the Late Rigvedic people as per the new books of Rigveda. This proves that they left Indus region much earlier to around 2000BC implying thay New books of Rigveda had already been written during 2000BC which in turn proves that Old books of Rigveda had to be older than atleast 2500BV or even 3000BC. Irrefutable evidence is already available. Its only a matter of accepting it with intellectual honesty.
Not Only this The Zebu Cattel Migration is detected from India to Iran 4200 Years from Now amazaing As this face concides with the drying of saraswati River.
12:00 How reliable is it to assign a direction to the migration when the samples are too few in number? How reliable is the pre-established gradient data? How accurate is the dating of the samples? Only 1 sample was from Rakhigarhi.
Its not the size of sample per se that provides conclusive evidence...its the size of genetic imprint in that particular sample size (whether 1 or 60).
@@chessclub270 But how do we know if that one person represents the average genetic composition of the community? Could be a trader or traveler who happened to die there, or a woman who got married into a distant land (distant from her native place) or a scholar who came from far to learn in Harappa.
@@---------------------------... if we take the aryan Gene to be foreign and 'x' gene to be native as null hypothesis. When the imprints are compared we see the amount of their expression in particular genome. If it was just a trader or even upto second generation offspring the soze of inprint of both the genes couldn't be so big (as depicted in paper). This clearly admits that the size of imprint was at least 4 times bigger i.e. at least 40th generation of that native gene.
@Matthayi Naalaaman How can a genome study comment on which language the person spoke? 😅 Makes one doubt the intention of the authors who insisted on putting that _opinion_ in the paper. When you say the Rakhigarhi genome matches 11 other samples from non-Harappan sites, it could also support OIT (out of India theory), no? Which is why I find it difficult to support a theory of a particular direction of migration. Errors in dating of samples and having too few samples in general will introduce large errors in inferences IMO.
Agriculture is originated and developed in indus valley civilization and some people travelled for trade purpose....these people are out liers....not result of any mass migration
@@jagadeeswaranr3821 yeah but there is a difference between migrating and infiltrating and also in settling down peacefully and a creating a planned massacre......
@@ishansyal3365 some people used sword to massacre local people that is one time.... But some other people used brain for psychological massacre of local society... that is continuously existing and creating social and economic inequalities.. Sir...Whether invasion or migration ...what effect that brings to local people that is important
One more thing I would like to mention about ANI and ASI. Western scientist have been dihonest in collecting samples. Everyone knows that Andamanese, Harappan and Iranian separated >12000 ago (~30000 BC). Andamanese have been living in isolation for almost 30000BC, thus they show very less variance from the time of original separation. These people when collecting samples included Andamanese sample with southern Indian people. And, it was obvious that the coefficient of that variable will weigh more. Thus, ASI somehow became totally different from north India. If you remove Andamanese samples, we will not find any different in Indians from north and Indians from south. Thus, ANI and ASI separation stands false.
Damn! I missed the live chat. I would love to ask Niraj sir if there are more samples under study, if any male DNA under observation. would love to know what is in the store for future.
If you guys want to know about agriculture and gradual evolution of Harappan civilization you need to talk to Dr.Shinde the lead author of the paper who took the lead in the excavations at Rakhigarh.
@@rockdstone4863 Yes, the Puranic chronology is nearly 7000 years old. Mahabharata is atleast 5100 years old if not more. Ramayana is even older than MB Rigveda talks about mighty Saraswati roaring from Himalayas to ocean. Remember Sarawati dried abot 4000 years ago. During Ramayana times, Rigved, Yajurveda & Samveda already existed.
@@rahulchawla6256 it's shows how much u read vedas. So according to u rama used to worship earlier. For ur kind information there is no proof of anything god in indus valley civilization. So, maharabharta us 5,100 is years old.. now coming to the main point what language ur ramaayan and Mahabharata time people used to speak? Vedas hv natural gods like sun, moon, rain, etc. And Tribes all over the globe used to worshipped such gods. Go & read. When Upanishads and Indian philosophies followed people use mind, when so called Ramayana and MB was written people became slave of god. Earlier concept of Hinduism was take knowledge, use mind, choose own path and create new paths for others. Bt later it became just follow the fake gods to get wealthy, wash the sins and get heaven.
@@rockdstone4863 ignorant there r Archeological evidences for MB nd Ramayan and how can u say MB was written by slaves of God???? When Krishna was defeated by Jarasandh how can u say its god centric???? Also fictional characters don't have lineages of their own. Mahabharat happened 3100 yrs ago not 5000 yrs ago the Archeology of dwarka by sn rao and other sites by Prof BB Lal clearly proves thay MB is historical!!!
More queries and willing to understand the further developments, of course I came after watched the latest podcast "Human Skeletal Remains Found In Punjab ", great work by Dr. Niraj Rai and Dr. Gyaneshwer Chaubey. Keep it up Kushal
The skeleton's DNA showed that the people of ancient Rakhigarhi were a mix of 'Ancient Ancestral South Indian' and 'Iranian Agriculturalist' populations. What the Rakhigarhi DNA lacked was the steppeland genes that are strongly associated with high-caste North Indian populations today. The close match of Rakhigarhi DNA with South Indian tribal populations also suggests that the Indus valley culture probably spoke an early Dravidian language.
That article where Rakhigari sample was correlated with Irula tribe is actually a fake article penned without any data from actual paper released by researchers. But yes high castes of South India especially in Deccan region have very high IVC so language can be Dravidian. But IVC is very low in low castes and tribes of South India
@@Anshulhe so funny bro majority of government control by north indian sure they had power to change history as they want thats why tamilnadu give their research srcipture to europe country atleast they give truth result by the way they already finish the research but they hold that the research result because most of things outcome become against north india by the way this thing already out in times of india akd others articles how long you guys keep deny it
@@alliswell1883 I don't understand your ignorance I'm just correcting you based on actual research that was put out, times or whatever news published it doesn't have anything to do with that false article they just shared it as news without verifying it's authenticity. Even Tamil researchers denied that false article relating Rakhigari genes to Irula tribe. So there's no propaganda here infact researchers from north actually established that Rakhigari sample similar to all indians and more so with high castes of Deccan south like coorgis, whereas mostly low caste are further mixed with other tribes so lost majority IVC component. So yes language can be Dravidian because of high presence in South High castes but IVC component is very very less in low caste and tribes of south. So before making such illogical claims out of articles that you read and took to be real better go and study actual paper published by vasant shinde.
@@Anshulhe another thing is the new found scripture in keezhaladi was found which is exact same to scripture found in indus valley the symbols words are same not only that nowdays tamilnadu regions name same as nowdays pakistan hindus valley region which prove same people who leave in indus valley migrated to south region and another think indus valley had strong connection with arabic trades which no region found but in tamilnadu particular place called poompuhar where can find evidence of arabian arrives not only that south indian culture consider bull has their own family member same in indus valley you can find alot of bull statues other thing is you still can find dravidian speaking people in pakistan region names brahui. even the building style of indus valley so special any of other world civilization not had which is build with burned bricks which act so strong but same style build was found in keezhaladi and there is believe that rig veda was born in indus valley until now you can see alot of tamil words in rig veda lastly the sanskrit it prefix while tamil and other dravidian language is suffix the scripture in indus valley is suffix not prefix which show clear that symbols language was tamil language
You're asking a genetic scientist to talk about archaeological evidence and linguistic studies. These questions can be answered with far more depth by an archaeologist! Please talk to Dr. Vasant Shinde who is the primary author of this paper. He is the Dean of Deccan College P-G Research Institute and the Director of excavation at Rakhigarhi.
Archaeology matches the genetic data. Linguistics can't tell you anything about ancestry. Also linguistics is unreliable for obvious reasons - language is learned from scratch by every person in every lifetime, so language is not stable over long periods of time, and can change completely over a very short period of time.
Genetics doesn't show migrations. It only shows closeness. Genetics can be used either way as a population is going from point A to point B or point B to point A.
If it was the steppe pastoralists that are implied to have have been the original Vedic people, then why is there no remaining evidence of this Vedic culture in those areas today or in their archaeological sites?
You know how these bastards claim about plastic surgery, internet and pushpak vimanas in vedic times. And test tube production of babies, nuclear powered arrows of Arjun. Well, these are similar claims like those. They are only making laughing stock of themselves.
What was the pre sanskrit language form ...a language develope step by steps not suddenly comes new language so what's are stages of the pre sanskrit language aftar indus vally script??
Aparna I speak 15 languages! He is not speaking Sanskrit here, so what does that have to do with mispronouncing an English word? What you are doing is called deflection! Simple!
Three small Hindu tribes. One of horse dealers, the other of circus performers, and the third were thieves. They united and hired out to Persia to fight the Muslims. Muslims won, and they retreated to Armenia. There they were partially converted to Christianity, but they still have no Clergy or churches. They spread out throughout Europe, and they are mostly illiterate scam artists. What else you want to know?
Horse and chariot were there in india 10000 years before also...Search bhimbedka rock painting horse and chariot..Those are the most ancient sites in india ...Of Mesolithic era
Maybe to know whether rigveda was composed in india (if older than the rakhigarhi woman) or got from outside (from mittani kingdom and their description of Indra, varuna etc being witness to the cornation of mittani king) if younger than rakhigarhi woman. As the rakhigarhi woman had no steppe genes. So she is the fulcrum around which the debate goes on. This is what I have understood.
Purely Cristian mythology. You may not believe it and find it funny that Max Muller keeping in view the Cristian myth of creation of earth some 6000 years before Jesus, thought it would take descendants of Adam and Eve to migrate from middle east to India come up with different languages and compose Rig Veda some years 2000-4000 years, to come to the date of 1500 BC for Rig Veda. And this date based on a ridiculous idea is still followed by scientists today lol
@@chrismathen, no..whole of india was inhibited by the same people(proto australoid) north western part of india got mixed with estern iranians/steppe people etc early.. And later these mixed people mixed with ancinet proto austraoid people down south forming dravidians of present day
@@chesingh16 Indo-Aryan DNA=R1a1a1 originated in India not centeral asia. go to the below link you will see DNA concentration of Indo-Aryan here in India is highest 28% in Central asia it is 24% and in europe its 10%. British Invaded India, India will not have more number of British DNA, more number of British DNA will be found from where they came from. similarly South Asia or Indian subcontinent have highest number of r1a1a1, so Bharat is also home land of North Indians. EXPOSING THE FRAUD. we know Indian subcontinent is from Afghanistan to combodia. but these people try to add DNA samples of Afghanistan to centeral asia to push centeral asian narrative that Indo-Aryan originated in CA not Bharat. moreover these people ignored DNA sample of whole Bangladesh as if Bangladesh is not part of Indian subcontinent. R1a1a1 is clearly have Indian origin. t.co/IqBdDd2IL1
Did you not listen to the entire podcast. Nobody denies that there was migration from Central Asia to the subcontinent but refuting the idea that there was ever an invasion that replaced the indigenous culture and that the Rigvedas were of foreign origin. Dr Rai also mentioned that Rigvedas are conclusively dated to 2200 BCE and not 1200 BCE. We need to revise all these colonial era definitions of our own culture by foreign assholes with agendas to downplay the greatness and influential nature of our the Indian civilization
@@tanmaykulkarni1545 1) So? What's the big hooplah? Invasion was dubbed as migration way back in the 90s itself by the academia...... 2) Rigveda can never be conclusively and definitely dated by anyone because they are oral tradition. One can only speculate or make an educated guess at best.
@@alokbejai5250 Many Flaws in Your Argument 1. It's is Highly absurd to give out assumptions like Chariots were Not discovered 4000B.C. , 3000B.C. etc. If We Look at the style structure of the 2000B.C. Chariot evidences we have we can detect that they must have come to this stage through a lot of transformation which crosses 4000B.C. 2. Which Mandal of the Right Veda talks about this There are two Old and new Rig veda which one talks about that?
@@alokbejai5250 HMMM SO WHAT I SAID WE CANNOT SAY BASELESS THINGS AND GIVE BASELESS CLAIMS THAT CHARIOTS DID NOT EXISTED . AS I SAID BY EXAMINING TH SANAULI CHARIOT IT WAS VERY ADVANCE SHOWING THAT ATLEAST IN INDIA IF WE GET THAT MUCH ADVANCE CHARIOT IN 2000B.C. WE HAVE TO TRACE BACK THE ORIGIN OF CHARIOTS MORE. BUT GIVE ME THE VERSES FIRST PLEASE. FROM THE 7TH BOOK
Steppe Ancestry does not prove Rig Veda originated in Steppes. It is proved that Rig Veda is originated in India and went outside. By Rig Veda I mean Proto-IE language and that went to central Asia, Iran, Celtic, etc. I do not know how has that got to do with genetic data.
All this talk and paper only refutes the Anatolian hypothesis of Aryan migration. What about the Kurgan hypothesis? The paper still clearly mentions Aryan migration as fact.
No, it is not. Perhaps the roots of the oral traditions that many Indo-European tribes share is, but not the RigVeda. RigVeda is a primitive cattle herding people's hymns to please the sun, the storm God, the fire God and to get help and protection against Demons and drought, as well as diseases and help against enemies on the battlefield.
Second last paragraph of their article in Cell says: "However, a natural route for Indo-European languages to have spread into South Asia is from Eastern Europe via Central Asia in the first half of the 2nd millennium BCE, a chain of transmission that did occur as has been documented in detail with ancient DNA. The fact that the Steppe pastoralist ancestry in South Asia matches that in Bronze Age Eastern Europe (but not Western Europe [de Barros Damgaard et al., 2018; Narasimhan et al., 2019]) provides additional evidence for this theory, as it elegantly explains the shared distinctive features of Balto-Slavic and Indo-Iranian languages (Ringe et al., 2002)." Here they (David Reich?) are again propagating AIM. What does Dr. Rai have to say about this?
Narsimhan who is a coauthor is just citing his own discredit paper. Check out geneticist Premendra Priyardshi's critique of that work. aryaninvasionmyth.wordpress.com/
@@mkelkar1 he speaking about journal, you sharing blogspot. 😂😂 premendra priyardshi is biased writer, none of this works accept by mainstream scholars, it was only considered as propaganda.
@Nakul Gote . For this , you need to go back to what the Aryan invasion theory actually is . It is not just that central Asians came to India . It's that Aryans had invaded the Harappans ( who were 'Dravidians' ) and pushed them south . Thus, north Indians are Aryans and south Indians are leftover Harappans . Of course , this was debunked long ago, but neither the Left not the Right is doing anything to present a holistic picture . To sum it up , has the Aryan invasion theory been debunked ? Yes and no . Basically 'Aryans'( Arya just means noble in Sanskrit ) came to India centuries after the IVC declined . The migrants introduced sanskrit(debated , sanskrit is clearly a Indo-European language , but this does not mean that it is foreign in origin-the language could have attained it's grammatical maturity AFTER its rudimentary form was introduced into India-maybe this is why there is no mention of an Aryan homeland ) , mixed with the locals and adopted local customs . There is a greater propensity of Steppe genes in North Indians and in upper castes (the highest is about 30% found in some north Indian brahmins ), however mixing was widespread and multi directional.Now , the exact chronology of the cultural evolution of 'Aryans' is unclear . The Vedas don't speak of an Aryan homeland , so we are not sure if the Rig Veda was developed after the Aryans came to India or afterwards . Dating of Rig Veda is difficult,since it is a language and not a carbon datable artefact. There is also the fact that there is no archaeological evidence for a foreign Aryan culture . Additionally, Aryans actually adopted local customs like Mother Goddess , Shiva Linga etc and the Rig Vedic religion basically morphed into something closer to modern Hinduism . Basically, the exact nature of migration is still unclear .
The skeleton excavated from the village Rakhigarhi in Haryana had enough DNA to disclose its ancestry. An analysis of the DNA showed that the skeleton was more linked to a Dravidian tribal group named ‘Irula’, currently living in Tamil Nadu and Kerala in the Nilgiri highlands. Political sensitivity surrounding the issue had delayed publishing the study, but finally it is thought to be ready for print, as described in India Today, along with the data. It is expected to appear in Science this month.
If rakhigari is true.. and there s no aryan imgration theory.. Then it means harappan are ARYANS.? 🤔 Then harappans wrote mahabarata,? ramayana?. Veda? Manu dharama.. Concept of Yuga?.. All by harappan?. Means harappans spoke sanskrit?. They invented sanskrit? Prakriti? Bali? Dravidian languages?. Means aryabhatta a harappan gene? Chanakya's artha sastra a harappan?.. I am confused?. Please anyone explain. If ARYAN invasion theory by british is false then what is that king manu escaped by a dulge.by ship wd many people and vedas..?? I am confused . Please some one explain..
The word Aryan has come from Sanskrit Arya which means noble and righteous. These Arya-s are described as children of light which got mistranslated to light skinned people. Besides that, Sanskrit is the mother of large number of European and Indian languages. Hence this aryan myth was created where light skinned central asians and eurasians came to India to give Sanskrit
So aryan concept is a myth..? Or Scholars or educated people in Harappans community are called aryans,.? means vedas, epics, manudharma composed by harappan scholars kld aryan?...
As Dr.Rai says we have explored only about 2%.We got to go a very very very long way.Lets request Govt for more funding and research.Then,we can know our past more widely. Harappa sites have become more important only because of the fact that they are the oldest civilised sites discovered till date on Indian Soil.We are not able to find other sites because of harsh weather in many areas due to which the samples must have decomposed over long time periods. Dr.Rai also mentions about excavation required at Cold regions of India like Ladakh where there is possiblity of samples being preserved for long due to cold climate.
@Paritosh Jadhav rakhigrahi exactly disproved this! Farming did not come from Iranians lol its the opposite direction ! The founder of Iranian religion Zoroastrian , prophet Zostaster himself claims to be a descendent of Indian Sage Atharvan, XD
@Paritosh Jadhav ramayana is not fake? Ramayana, gita and purans were written when buddhism and jainism were spreading rapidly. Buddha and jains followed path of upanishads which means knowing self. Dont use bad words for someone as truth is truth. Learn about sankracharya who talks about advaita god which is path of upanishads, but he needed to people to divert to hinduism so he accepted idol worship but he said true path is non idol path. U guys say ramayana and gita are not fake, both tlk about astavakra who born around 2200-2000 years ago. While ur rama born 3000 BC. There is no proof of rama and krishna in any civilisation.
Two important points: 1) Aryan, Dravidian are language groups, not genetic groups. Languages that people speak can be learned/changed within a few years, and so are not a marker for ancestry. 2) To track population past origin and movements, use is made of specific genetic markers which are different between populations. This does not mean that there is a big genetic difference between members of those populations. Rather, the scientists are looking specifically for very minor DNA differences that can be used to track past migrations .
You mean pitch dark skin people nearly crores at tamilnadu and kerala, are "same" gene wd fair, fairest gujrathi, up, punjabi, haryani, kashmiri, rajathani.. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.. Means tamilian darness and sikkimese same gene.. 😂😂😂😂..
Rakhigarhi add further evidence for Aryan migration or invasion theory. First, the woman skeleton excavated from the village Rakhigarhi in Haryana had enough DNA to disclose its ancestry. An analysis of the DNA showed that the skeleton was more linked to a Dravidian tribal group named ‘Irula’, currently living in Tamil Nadu and Kerala in the Nilgiri highlands. 2. The argument was that there were no major gene flows from outside to India in the last 12,500 years or so because mtDNA (mother, woman) data showed no signs of it. yes most Indians have maternal gene of native dravidian. 3.But it was shown that Y-DNA (father) did indeed show major gene flows from outside into India within the last 4000 to 4,500 years or so, especially R1a which now forms 17.5% of the Indian male lineage. The reason why mtDNA data behaved differently was that Bronze Age migrations were severely sex-biased. The invaders were mostly male warriors. 3. The next argument put forward was that R1a lineages exhibited much greater diversity in India than elsewhere and, therefore, it must have originated in India and spread outward. This has been proved false because a mammoth, global study of R1a haplogroup published last year showed that R1a lineages in India mostly belong to just three subclades of the R1a-Z93 and they are only about 4,000 to 4,500 years old.
@@navinjoshi7120 Shamelessness indifference (to what must be sought after), harshness, and aversion for everything (that ought to be desired) are the qualities of the fool ( Thirukural: 833; Written in 2100yrs back in Tamil, Sangham Literature).
Meyporul kural How does your point prove Aryan theory? You are still talking myth my friend. Mr Navin Joshi made a right point, but you started scolding him using a metaphor of Thirukkural. Unfair!
@@bhuvansoc9432 are you serious? 17% of ANI MALE GENES ARE ARYAN MATCHING WITH IRANIAN ..DO YOU AGREE INDIA WAS INVADED BY ARYANS(IRAN), ARABS, TURKIC CENTRAL ASIAN GREEK AND SO ON..
@aman kumar page no. 1 Dekho is report ka. ANI yani ancestral north Indians me ye yamnaya ancestory 20% se bhi kam hai. It means ki koi group directly nahi aya. Vo dna mixed population ke through aya hai. Ye trade ka peak time tha. Ye dna most probably migration se aya and yaha mix hua. Dusri bat ye report European perspective se bani hai. Jisme Caucasus me gore rang ki utpatti batayi jati hai. Par recent indian dna studies se ye bat disprove hui. Line 10, part 2, page 11 batata hai ki ye koi formal test nahi hai. Assumption based hai. Moreover, page 11 part 3 suggests that anatolian farmers introduced farming in the east lekin farming india aur Iran ki ancestral hai. Ye report europe biased hai.
Rakhigarhi people were a mix of Iran-related neolithic and and andamanese related people.- steppe people came later. Question is when and if they are responsible for Sanskrit
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident - German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer. The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it - George Orwell Some people say "Aryan and Dravidian race is a complete hoax", but India have two distinct major linguistic group namely Indo-Aryan [Indo-European] and Dravidian Language group, namely Sanskrit and Tamil. Even though the word Dravidian coined only in later days, since it is used to represent a Distinct linguistic group. We say it as Aryan and Dravidian races namely Aryans and Ancient Tamils. So "Aryan and Dravidian race is NOT a hoax" Aryan migration theory is NOT based on British version of Indian history, rather DNA genetical evidences, Archeological evidences and Sanskrit linguistic group namely Indo-Aryan [Indo-European] proves beyond doubt about its European [Steppe Land] Aryan origin. In recent decades, the idea of an Aryan migration into India has been disputed by Indian scholars, who claim Indigenous Aryans scenarios [Only because they do NOT want to be identified as OUTSIDERS to India]. However, these alternate scenarios are rooted in traditional and religious views on Indian history and identity and are universally rejected by mainstream scholars. It is a UNIVERSALLY accepted scientific fact that "R1A1 DNA originates in Europe, NOT in India". R1a1 often called the Aryan gene has been linked to a number of tribes that had originated in the Caucasus region. Hittites who went to Babylon, Mittani that went to Turkey, Hyskos who went to Egypt, Italics, Dorians and others especially Aryans who went to ancient Iran and then to Afghanistan and India. There is NO evidence that the gene originated in ancient India and spread westwards. However, in India, people try to change the genetic origin of the Aryan-speakers in an upside down position [In Reverse Order]. The country Name Iran itself means "Land of the Aryans" and Iranshahr. The very close relation between Iranian and Indo-Aryan groups has never been doubted. They share linguistic features to such a degree that Indo-Iranian is generally described as a distinct subgroup of Indo-European. The term Arya has been used by the Iranian people, as well as by the rulers and emperors of Iran, from the time of the Avesta. The well-attested Indo-Iranian languages are Vedic Sanskrit, Avestan and Old Persian. Sanskrit and Avestan are very closely related languages with exact grammatical principles and numerous cognates [Blood Relative]. You can find words which are exactly identical, like Sanskrit/Avestan naman (name), ushtra (camel) etc. The list of Vedic Sanskrit gods are - Indra, Varuna, Mitra, Soma, Rudra, Vishnu & Agni. The list of Mittani [Syria] gods are - Indra, Varuna, Mitra and Nasatyas (Ashvins) This proves that Vedic Sanskrit gods are similar to that of Mittani [Syria] gods. And Mittani language being older than Sanskrit proves that Rigveda originated in Syria / Iran and then moved to India. Language, literature, epics & poems evolves every century. In Vedic/Hindu literature, Asuras (Ahuras) are bad guys while Devas are heroes. In Zoroastrian/Persian literature, Ahuras (Asuras) are heroes while Devas are the villains. When the Vedic Aryans moved further, they arrived in the Indian subcontinent they were faced by the native Dravidians, Dravidians that got conquered were placed as low caste in Vedic Aryan society. The Vedic Aryans continued to call their enemy as “Asuras", but the description of the Asuras changed to Dravidians (i e. present day south-Indians) with dark skin, large facial hair etc. This is another proof for Rigveda evolving in Syria / Iran [Persia] and moved to Indian sub-continent. Initially Asuras (Ahuras) were referring to Zoroastrian/Persian and in later days Asuras were used to refer Dravidians. We have all the proofs for Aryan invasion in Rig Veda itself. Dasyus were the people who lived in India when the Aryans arrived here. They were having a dark-skin and flat noses. Battles depicted in the R̥gveda are directly referring to Aryans migrating into India which is native land of dark skinned people Dravidians. Rig Veda - Dasa: 54 hymns and 63 verses and Dasyus: 65 hymns, 80 verses. The accounts of conflict between the Aryans and the Dasas and Dasyus are acknowledged in Rig Veda. Rig Veda describes that Dasas and Dasyus were people who do not perform sacrifices. Aryans had to fight with these people for land. The Aryans defeated them and did not treat them well. The Aryan chief who overpowered Dasyus were called dasyuhatya (slaughter of the dasyus) this is repeatedly mentioned in the Rig Veda. Read the following to know more on this same subject Aryan by Birth - Upper Caste Fair Skin NORTH Indian (Brahmin, Kshatriyas & Vaisyas) Dravidian by Birth - Lower caste Dark Skin Sudras & Paraiahs / Panchamas (Dalits / Tribes) Across the globe White people feel they are superior and enslave black people. That is the case in Africa and America too. Even in India even though we Indians had very old civilization then the British. The British people who came here for TRADE enslaved Indians. Same thing happened in Ancient India. Even though Dravidians had a OLDER Civilization, Aryans made them as Sudras claiming white people are superior and black people are inferior. People living in Indian Sub-continent who are ALL fair in complexion have mostly Steppes grass land R1A1 genes in their DNA these people are basically Aryans. More than caste it is the Skin color which decides whether someone is Aryan or Dravidians. People living in Indian Sub-continent who are Dark in complexion have mostly South Asian Hunter Gatherer genes in their DNA these people are Dravidian [Tamils] basically. Tamils means all Sudras & Paraiahs / Panchamas (Dalits / Tribes) lived/living across Indian sub - continent. Even today, you can see dark skinned and pale dark-skinned people living across India in all places, they were all Tamils only in ancient India. "Justice H N Nagamohan Das Commission panel" says, Indian Vedic philosophy lead to social inequality and caste system, All these happened because of Brahmins, Upanishads, Manusrmiti, and epics like Mahabharata and Ramayana...” the commission said in its July 2020 report, which the BJP government formally accepted. The panel report also says that people belonging to Dravidian race resided in North India once upon a time. “Many foreign invaders such as ARYANS, Persians, Greeks, Huns, Turks, Mongolians, Europeans etc came and fought against local people. The rulers who won the war developed relations with local women and consequently emerged mixed races” About Kasthriyas, who ever had the courage and willpower conquered the land, for them even if they are from lower caste, Brhamins did NOT had any choice. So, Brahmins accepted who ever won the war as Kasthriyas except Muslim. Kasthriya Kings always married fair and good looking girls. So, Kasthriyas community have a mix of Upper caste and lower caste DNAs in them. Read the following facts about DNA Studies. Why R1A1 DNA originates in EUROPE, but not in India. why it is it not found or too less in percentage among South Indians ? Why M haplogroups DNA is NOT found in Upper caste Aryans or North Indians ? If found why so less ? If you have read Vedas there are lots and lots of mention about Horses, then why HORSES are not native to INDIA ? If Aryans lived in India 5,000 years back means, then why there were NO Horse seals in Harappan IVC sites ? Why copper hoard culture found only with Aryans, but not with Dravidians ? Why antenna swords found in Sinauli - India which belongs to BMAC - Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex ? Haplo M is found among 60% of modern day Indians. It is in every person from South. But here’s the main catch ! It’s only found in depressed classes of northern and tribal peoples of northern India. But, almost to zero to 1-4% among Higher caste Aryans or North Indians. Just like R1A1 not found in south in the same way south’s M groups are not found among R1A1 peoples of north. So, it is proved beyond doubt that "ALL upper caste Fair Skin North Indians are ALL ARYANS, and all lower caste Dark Skin Sudras & Paraiahs / Panchamas (Dalits / Tribes) are all Dravidians"
Male DNA R1a1 missing as it was not present..but how come it present now .. do there was an invasion by people with this DNA .. harappan mothers and central Asian r1a1
So basically people came and mixed. They came in search of greener pastures and these guys went all around the world. Technology did not change. If Rigveda dating is 1200 BC, the Gods changed, the way of worship was adopted, the language changed. If Rigveda dating is 2200 BC, the concept changes and this becomes an Out of India theory.
Kushal In fairness, you should have restricted your questions only on 'genetics' side to Dr Rai and not make him say things that he wouldn't want to be drawn into. With many of these topics, as you know, the ground under our feet keep changing all the time. While Science based changes do not make a scientist feel regretful about (what's true is true as of that time!) on topics like archaeology, linguistics etc. it's better to not elicit 'public' views of a person as it can undermine the scientific work he is doing. We should allow people to be taken very seriously, in their 'respective spheres', to present a cogent case. Else, it will lose steam.
The DNA was 4500 years old and no one said Central Asian came to India before 3500 years back. Harvard group didn't agree with Indian group. DNA does not have R1a1 then from where R1a1 came from? Actually it proved stepe people migration.
What about certain people putting stepes theory, claiming genetic proof of stepes teaching farming to IVC.,,,🙏.got the answer while listening to the video...lol good logic about the genetic diversity, steeped......"Migration always takes place towards a better place, environment and looking at the IVC./India lots of rivers compared to other areas. ...l"Even wildbeast and animals/birds in Africa show migration towards a better place....
r1a1 is a y chromosomal dna, men pass down their y chromosome to their sons forming xy, women pass down x, that x if combined with y would bore a son while xx would result in daughter, the Rakhigarhi skeleton was that of a female which did not have y chromosomal dna for obvious reasons the genome sequencing of men would shed more light upon the actual ancestry of that skeleton
Matthayi Naalaaman thank you very much for the info. I was hoping the discussion would weigh the evidence with the converse theory that the language and Culture travelled the opposed way.
I want to know, those 11 skeletons which are categorized as Indus periphery Cline, did they also mix with the local population of Turkmenistan and Iran? How long ago did they mix? The found skeletons are they one of the hubrid of both or are they completely IVC DNA cline? Srikant Talageri said that Rigveda talk about Vedic people migrating from greater Punjab towards Afghanistan and Balochistan/Iran.
nicely explained the genetic point of view in learning ancient history. not the way some people write hypothesis in delhi and stick with it in such a way that they have time machine, going and coming back to and from history to tell us the truth. :)
Dr. Niraj Rai keeps saying "Aryan Invasion" and saying ""What is Aryan". First of all, real scientists moved on, and they speak of "Migration", not "Invasion". Dr. Rai knows it, but he keeps saying invasion despite knowing that serious scientists today speak of "migration". Though, violent clashes surely took place, during a prolonged period of time. Then for his objection to the term "Aryan". Dr. Rai can call it what he wants, it does not matter. Call it a "Potato", what matters is, it migrated into India from the North, and upset the genetic makeup of the existing population. Also, I cannot believe that Dr. Rai quotes Frawley as an authority, Frawley is a pseuodo scientist, at best.
This Tony Joseph and others do not know the Evolution of Languages. The fools make us to believe that Brahmi was daughter script of Phoenician Script. When most mature Phoenician script is younger than old Brahmi. The time is also 3500 years before today. So they got the script in 1500 and they wrote Veda literally on the same day.
I think we must not consider Upper Caste North Indians(Aryans) as invaders. They must have found it tough in Steppes and decided to migrate to India. 4000 years ago, the population of whole world could have been 50 lakhs and maybe 2000 people came to India. Such small number cannot be called invasion. The local populations, who must have been receptive to them coming here otherwise they would not have survived.
If you want to convince the other side, present your findings in English especially in youtube where people search for such topics. Presenting such good data in a globally unimportant and largely unknown language doesn't help your case.
This subject is not the exclusive property of Indians alone to be interpreted to suit many requirements of many people. It is in the realm of international scientific community, many of them themselves Indo Europeans and eminent scientists in their own fields . They don't have any axe to grind in reaching any conclusions. They state what they have observed and that's that. If some of us find these findings unpalatable , they are free to reach their own home-baked theories. It will be similar to the claims of having internet in the period of Mahabharata, Kauravas being given birth through in vitro (test tube) fertilization, knowledge of plastic surgery in the vedic period, knowledge of nuclear fission, possession of B2 bombers etc etc etc. We can convince some nincompoops in India but not the international community.
@@akepilinggiehili5320 I didn't listen to the video. The DNA of the Rakhigarhi skeleton did not have the Aryan DNA. But the DNA of a modern Indian will have the Aryan DNA which proves the Aryan invasion and that it took place in 1500 bc.
This Vineeth lemur is extremely butt-hurt that his lifetime of commitment to the lie of Dravidianist idpol is just that - a big fat fantastical lie. Lol
@@thedescanteer Only certain alien invaders of my country will brand this as "Lie of Dravidianst idpol." But not the international scientific community, historians, archaeologists, linguists, anthropologists and genetists. Of course, these are also the same invaders who claim to have flown B2 bombers in their Vedic period. Shows the credibility of their science but reveals their powers of imagination good for bollywood movies.
Come on guys.... India and Afghanistan or Pakistan is not separated by walls... So, if someone is Saying there is no absolutely Human traveling in between These two lands ....then it doesn't make any sense or logic... Aryan invations might have not happened... But, for sure migration might have surely happened... Around 5000 Bc ...all over India Tamils was living... All the Sastras was born in Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka Region... This was happend before the Ravanas period and even before The Sri Lanka and India was Separated by ocean... Due to the geographical nature... And the Highest Sunlight receiving and of course world's lowest Gravitational Force (pls check gravity map of the world).. The any number of plants and Living entities was Born in this areas..and it was trillions in Numbers.. So, the Adiguru Lord Siva was directly Landed to this areas and tought all the Cosmic secrets to those areas living Human being.. From that The first Hindu sector Saivism was born... This was thriving all over India and at the time of IVC the Same people was living There... The Rackighari DNA is a proof to say those people's are Tamils... Here is the link from India Today : www.indiatoday.in/magazine/cover-story/story/20180910-rakhigarhi-dna-study-findings-indus-valley-civilisation-1327247-2018-08-31 Now, again ... The first agriculture was born from Lord Skanda.(Subramanya).. And the first Agriculture was invented by him at a place call Kadirgramam in Sri Lanka.. Then those technologies was spread around the world later on... Now At IVC ...those Persians was came for trading purposes first.then gradually few people settled due to intermixed marriages... From those people The present day North Indian population was evolved... That's why They have steppie genes mostly in North and some in South too... The Vedas was born due to those mixed Race and actually that is a Another version of Saivism ...but north Indian version... Instead of Word Shiva ...they wanted to use Word Brahmma.. The Same way those Persians brought these knowledge to Iran and from that the Zaurastrion religious was born... So Now little bit about rig Veda... Rig Veda basically explain the technologies for human enhancement... The first and foremost think is ... Everything is mainly based on Iron and that teach how to melt Iron... So, In Tamil there is a world call urukku (உருக்கு).. That means Melting Science... So, the word Irukku was used for That Sciences and from that the Irukku Veda was born.. Now it's pronounced riggu Veda or rigveda... Same way The Sanskrit... That was never a spoken langauge by any Human beings at any given time at any place at this planet... Sanskrit was simply a Higher vibrational Sound system to make yourself to Union with cosmos.. This was a sound system.. Ham..dam..yam..kleem..green..shreem.... etc..etc... This was also invented by Those Tamils... actually the Highest attained Siddhas and Yogi's.. But, later those Persians use Tamil words and those sounds together and brought this as a langauge... That is Now call Sanskrit.. Any body has any questions ??
@Kushal Mehra I don't know if a detailed response to this podcast is possible within the comments columns of TH-cam videos, but we can make a start by calling a steppe a step, and not a stepee. As for the rest, it gives me a headache.
Arey bhai iranian DNA which is common between Indians and Iranians. After all Iranians are our descendents, even their main prophet Zoroaster who founded Zorarstrian religions himself claims to be descendent of Indian sage Atharvan of Brighu sage clan XD
i don't know what wrong with south indians& indians "peryar poison make you blind" every part of peoples have own his stereotype like{ i hope you know stereotype means } 1 bihar "yadava" = lalu and criminal "many south indian movies portray like this 2punjabi"including jaats gujjar sikh" = fool but aggressive 3northeastern = chingi bizarre food beautiful & laborious women lazy men 4gujrati = money lover corrupt & vegetarian 5 south indian = according to marathies and north indians "lungiwala" "Madrasis" according to foreigners "head shakers" {well Britishers dismantled many south indian kingdoms anxed by madras presidency so there is no tamil kanada.....etc except one identity madras presidency so every body came from these area known as madrasi} 6 bengali = boka coward men ........etc there is no such thing "Dravidians" exists. only "south east Asian" identity remained according to research's The word “Dravid” in simply means “the land with water on three sides” political agenda .
@Snow 123 subhashchandra bos bengali. Size doesn't made what matters is guts. Still Punjabi and phashthun can't follow their culture that's Hinduism. They're divided, they hate each other, killed each other. You can't divide Tamil and Tamil. North is taking most of income tax. South can live happy with out North, but opposite not possible. North Indian are casteist that lead slavery of India. Casteism is responsible for North Indian must ask sorry. Separatists are bad but supremacy is worst.
Certainly Northies should not call themselves as dravidians or madrasis because dravidians and madrasis are highly accomplished and intelligent people.
No no Mr Rai Aryans culture actually rural culture, they have not built palaces, Manuments, like HARAPPANs, remember about MAY DANAV(NOT VISHWAKARMA) BUILT INDRAPRASTHA IN MAHABHARAT.
Tony joseph is right, indus valley people don't have aryan dna which is found in north indians, so how did these dna come in north indians, by migration of aryan people into india...niraj rai is telling lies, he is nationalist historian...
@@kalyanc2546 No No No How can u "prove" R1A1 As an aryan gene If Harrpan civilization turns out to be vedic through Archaeology+Literature Evidence hence This proves that Harrpans whatever gene they are carrying were vedic these things are decided through Arcgaeology and Not gentics
Eminent scientists of India getting disconnected from world by using regional languages is sad. Most of prominent science papers are in English and Dr. Niraj Rai can speak in English. He is missing great opportunity
If steppe pastoralists DNS missing in Rakhigarhi excavations!! Why do Indians have it now ? What happened between now and then ? This is the question Hindutva brigade needs to answer!!
@Khushal Singh Nobody is immune to Aryan gene in India. This is due to heavy mixing. But the proportion of the gene goes down as you move down south. Look at the big picture!! West Bengal Brahmins (72.22) Uttar Pradesh Brahmin (67.74) Bihar Brahmins (60.53) Dawoodi Bohra (53.9) Sindhi (52.4) Pashtun (51) Madhya Pradesh Saharia (50.87) Indian Indo-Europeans(48.9) India (North) (48.9) Himachal Brahmin (47.37) Punjabi (47) Maharashtra Brahmins (43.33) Konkanastha Brahmins (41.9) Indo-Aryan Castes (40.2) Kokanastha Brahmin (40) South castes (13.6) Sri Lankan Tamils (27.3) Kodava (38) Chenchu (26.8) Indian Dravidians (26.7) Mappila (32.5) Brahui (24) Andhra Pradesh Tribals (27.6) Indian Telugus (26.67) Koraga Tribal (0) Madhya Pradesh Gonds (18.75) Koya (2.4) Uttar Pradesh Gonds (0)
@Khushal Singh Mitra All the invasions happened in the last 2000 years didn't contribute much to the genetics of India!! But steppe pastoralists migration contributed significantly to the Indian genetics!! Modern Indians have around 20-30 percent of contribution from them. Again, its in varying degrees like Brahmins and upper casts has higher proportion compared to the lower casts and tribes. When you say 'hypothetical', it means you haven't really looked into the data. All the data ( archaeological, linguistic, genetics) clearly points towards massive migration. But you need to come out of your bias and analyze it transparently. I trust scientific community more than the religion bigots!! Btw, the whole exercise the scientific community is doing is not to show anybody in a poor light. This is just to know the 'truth'. After all migration is common phenomena!!
First of all, there is no aryan or dravidian split and steppe faction. Why because, the ancesters of India, either north or south, came from Elam of Sumeria in different batches in different time period. The early people migrated to India in search of land and water for cultivation who came and mixed with the hunter gatherers already there and they settled from Indus valley to Kanya kumari. Another batch of people came from the same Elam of Sumeria to India as warriors and mixed with the people of India. This batch was a mixture of Elam citizens and Assyrian citizens which caused for genome variation. When this later Elam people migrated to India, the spoken language was changed from the original one that was Elamitte to Mittanni.That is the reason why entire India have the same culture and genome mixers. The latest language, a refined one, was widely spoken by most of Sumerian people of that time. The first language was found isolated from original ancestors. However, the refined language was a composition of Elam and Assyrian languages. After the spread of new language in India , more spiritual development took place especially orally spoken Vedas were documented. This paved the way for best culture in the world.
This shows hinduism is basically indegenious indian beleif system, aryans came with their gods of indra, agni, mitra, varuna etc... And after settling in india becoming farmers got to know indian gods of kali, shiva, krishna etc, later scaled down their own gods..!!.. wrote upanishads and puranas at the time of Guptas.. (yadavas may be a mixture of aryans and indegenious indians).. Tantra, yoga etc are the remenescent of that old indegenious religion which got mixed with ancient aryan paganism...Trimurthis as a concept came long afterwards, vishnu is buddha himself or avalohiteswara or even padmapani.
@@ishansyal3365, aryan gods of indra, varuna, mitra are mentioned in many other places even early than in india, sanskrit is found in syria earlier than in india...in early Iranian patheons too varuna, indra,agni, mitra is mentiined... Vedic Yajna is called as hazna in early iranian religion... In earlier mittani kingdom of syria indra, varuna, mitra, agni etc is mentioned in a truce between them and hittites, another indo aryan empire.. Both hittites and mittanis were superlative kingdoms, means the ruling class were different from the general population, bothe of these groups were indo aryans and they migrates to turkey and syria ruling over hattites and hurrians respectively. In india when aryans came, they had to deal with a huge population of pre australoid peoole group unlike in syria or turkey and the cultures got mixed up after some time, the concept of meditation, yoga etc was aliean to aryans, they were incorporated into their own religion vedic gods of indra, varuna, mitra etc lost importance but retained.. Shiva, devi were incorporated.. As steppe, cow hearders became settled farmers they began to ponder over philosophy along saraswathi river banks in rajastan writing upanishads.. Ancient knowledge of tantra, yoga etc began to influence more people after buddhist period and temples,were built idols were woeshipped tantric was called "agama" the science which was told by shiva to sakthi.
There were never any cultural or racially distinct "Aryans" to settle the subcontinent. That's a load of pseudo-historical bollocks based on some motivated circular logic of western linguistic theory.
@Matthayi Naalaaman No, I don't have to look up all that pseudo-scientific "peer-reviewed" skulduggery all over again to call bullshit on this bullshit theory. Done all that plenty well for a long time, and more. There is no linguistic, archaeological or genetic proof that corded-ware people were the source of the purported ~2000 bce YDNA tourism (yes, that is what "Aryan invasion" has been reduced to - from invasion to migration to a trickle of tourists, as per the latest consolidated record). The evidence indicates quite the opposite, actually. Just because there was some genetic overlap from the northwest during various epochs on account of various socioeconomic and climatic reasons, it does not warrant the creation of a fantastic new race of people. Leave alone labelling that imaginary race with a colonial exonym and making it a linguistic/cultural progenitor, when all multi-disciplinary evidence tells an entirely different story - which is backed by an ancient historiography to boot. The concept of race itself is a big spook anyway. Outside of isolated groups like say the Andamanese aboriginals, entire Eurasia has basically been a spectrum of phenotypes that could be last separated into distinct groups the earliest at ~70,000 ybp pre-Toba. You Dravidian lemurs should stop worshipping a few propaganda-mongering cabal of lynchpins in the western humanities academia and try broadening your horizons and your ideologically pigeon-holed minds.
Aryan and Dravidian race theory is 100% true. Only thing its NOT Aryan Invasion rather it is just Aryan migration. Aryans are called as Devas Dravidian's are called Asuras Aryan Gods - Lord Indra, Lord Varuna, Lord Vayu, Lord Brahma & Lord Ram Dravidian Gods - Shiva, Visnu, Krishna & Karthikeya In Four Vedas there is NO Mention about Lord Shiva, Lord Vishnu [Thiru Maal] & Lord Subramanian [Murugan]. In Vedas they only worship Lord Indra, Lord Varuna & Lord Vayu. In Rig Veda they mention about Lord Rudra but he is NOT Lord Shiva. There is NO Place where they mentioned about Lord Shiva or Linga. These are all Tamil gods Lord Shiva, Lord Thiru maal [Vishnu] & Lord Murugan [Subramanian] are all ancient Tamils lived in Tamil Land. Aryan by Birth - Ram, Lakshman Dravidian by Birth - Ravan, Shiva, Visnu, Krishna & Karthikeya Aryan Language - Sanskrit Dravidian Language - Tamil Aryan [Sankrit] Grammar - Panini’s Astadhyayi Dravidan [Tamil] Grammar - Tholkaappiyam [Still available] Panini did not mention the name of even a single earlier Sanskrit grammar which he has followed. The names he mentioned as earlier Sanskrit grammarians are originally Prakrit and Pali grammarians. Prakrit and Pali grammarians have followed Aindhra grammar which is followed by Tholkaappiyar. Tholkapiyar clearly states that there are numerous Tamil Grammar works prior to his Tholkappiyam and he followed Aindharam Grammar for his work. Akathiyar also wrote a grammar for Tamil. Tharanath ,the Tibet scholar has clearly stated that Aindhiram was a Tamil grammar. Sari Buddha had studied Aindhiram. Aryan by Birth - Bramins Dravidian by Birth - Sudras [Tamils - please note Tamils lived through out India] Etymology of the word Bramin [பேர் அமணன் -> பிராமணன் -> பிராமின் ] Payrr Ammanan -> Brahmanan -> Bramin. Its a Pure Tamil word given as Title to people who gained enormous wisdom in their life. In later days this title name was stolen by Aryan Bramins and made it as a varna by Birth. Sanghis will tell that Ravana was a Bramin, But actually Ravana is a Asura [Dravidian] by birth and Bramin is his title name. He is a master of 10 different science Etymology for the name Krishna [ கருதினன் -> கிருத்தினன் -> கிருஷ்ணா ] Karuthinan → Kirutinan → Krishna . Karuthinan means man of philosophy its a Title given to Krishna We all know that Krishna is Dark in Complexion and he is a Cow herder he is a Tamil. Rig Veda has several references to blonde haired Indra destroying Dark skinned Asuras [Dravidian's]. If you read most of the Sanskrit puranas you can notice that its all about Fight between Aryans and Dravidians [Devas and Asuras] Language naturally evolves over 1000s of years it can NOT be invented by one single guy Agathiyar, Tamil language is NOT invented by Agathiyar as told by PERVERTED Sanskrit Myth, one has to Talk with scientific facts should NOT vomit PERVERTED Sanskrit Myths. Just like Tholkappiyar Agathiyar also wrote grammar for Tamil in ancient times thats it. Tamil is older then Sanskrit. Its actually Tamil root words which are there in Sanskrit, NOT the other way around. Recent [year 2020] excavation in Keezadi have written Tamil inscription which is older than 2500 years. But on the other hand Sanskrit didn't even had a script to write until 4 CE note it is CE not BCE, it adopted devanagari script in 4 CE and started writing puranas like Ramayana ... etc. Prior to this Sanskrit Vedas were transferred to next generation only orally, they said it is very sacred and only Brahmins have to recite it Google - Mayiladumparai Excavation in Tamil Nadu - Tamils knew use of iron 4,000 years ago, archaeological findings show Google - Porunai civilisation is 3,200 years old Tamils do not have Vedic culture roots, their roots are different. Vedic culture is a third rated culture. Sanskrit is full of third rated SEXUALLY PERVERTED mythological stories for Lord Shiva, Indra, Ayyappa and for lots of Rishis. You can not find one such sexually perverted literature in Tamil. Sanskrit is full of Racial Abuse and Racial discrimination based on birth like Manusimriti. You wont find any such discrimination in Tamil literature Thiruvalluvar in Thiru Kural says all Living Things are equal [Not just humans] (பிறப்பொக்கும் எல்லா உயிர்க்கும் சிறப்பொவ்வா செய்தொழில் வேற்றுமை யான் - திருக்குறள் 972). But in Sanskrit Manusmriti, manu discriminate people based on birth called Varna, Manusimriti is full of Racial Abuse and Racial discrimination based on birth. Tamils have the culture of worshiping there fore fathers that is how they are worshiping Siva, Thiru Maal [Vishnu] & Murugan [Subramanian]. Aryan Brahmins stolen Tamil's gods and and inserted FULLY SEXUALLY PERVERTED STORIES in later days for our gods like Vishnu Purana, Shiva Purana, Skanda Purana ... etc Now some idiots are even saying Lord Shiva don't understand Tamil and so we have to worship him only in Sanskrit. Lord Siva himself is a Tamil Tamil too have Sanskrit words its due to Sanskrit became sole authority for Hinduism and for Tamil Gods also. By stealing Tamils gods Sanskrit started influencing Tamil by way Varnasrama by saying Brahmins are great and they are born from Brahmas head. You have to respect Brahmin and you have to allow them to worship your gods in their language Sanskrit. Google - Tamil and Australian aboriginal languages மார் சுபிகள் Marsupial is a A word found in Australian Aboriginals language for Kangaroo kids. Marsupial in Tamil means Breast Suckers, Small Kangaroo kids will grow inside Mother Kangaroos waist bag by sucking milk from its mothers breast. English language derived this word from Australian Aborginals language, This word is more than 10,000 years old it's a pure Tamil word. Archaeological experts all over the world says that Indus valley civilization is a Dravidian civilization, but here in India Sanghis says its a vedic civilization but they do NOT Have any proof for their claim. Indus script - Wikipedia The Russian scholar Yuri Knorozov suggested, based on computer analysis, a Dravidian language as the most likely candidate for the underlying language of the script.[40] Knorozov's suggestion was preceded by the work of Henry Heras, who also suggested several readings of signs based on a proto-Dravidian assumption. [41] Oldest available work in Sanskrit [Note it is only oral No written records] is Rig veda, it has been etymologically proved that there are many loaned Tamil words in Rig veda that proves the pre existence of Tamil during the period of Rig veda Substrata in the Vedic language - Wikipedia There are an estimated thirty to forty Dravidian loanwords in Vedic. [26] Those for which Dravidian etymologies are proposed by Zvelebil include कुलाय kulāya "nest", कुल्फ kulpha "ankle", दण्ड daṇḍa "stick", कूल kūla "slope", बिल bila "hollow", खल khala "threshing floor". [24] Written By - Sampath Kumar Natarajan
@@gagadonim3354Sorry just now I noticed, you are saying old version composed in India and the New version composed in Afghanistan. I DON'T agree. Actually the reverse of what you said only is true. BTW Can you please through more light on the two versions of Rig Veda ?
@Anonymous Sir....the topic is about aryan migration....whether the current research paper proved or not.... this paper answered both the question ....who are harappans..?? they are indigenous to indian subcontinent....and they are not vedic people who are migrated in from steppe pastoral area there is no harm in accepting the scientific proof....migration happens in the history human civilization...it is natural one....so dont feel inferior that aryans are not indigenous people....think what you can do now for the society
I bet one of the “dislikes” is Tony Josheph....
@Sumanta Chatterjee fake nationalism by original casteist frauds.
@Sumanta Chatterjee you're right on all points
@@scientificatheist9381 Who are you alluding to as original casteist frauds?Just curious.
@Sumanta Chatterjee
You said it all!
Well done!
@Sumanta Chatterjee indeed tony Joseph is only a journalist, pretending to be an expert on genetics lol
Thank You man, it makes us feel more independent and empowered.
It will be interesting to see what is the Church's reaction to the finding that Aryan Invasion/Migration was just a figment of missionary (early academics/indologists) imagination. The motivation behind the Aryan Invasion Theory was two fold (a) to justify colonization of a more advanced civilization, and (b) to usurp the ancient Indian texts especially the Veda as early Christian "thought"! Aryan Theory justified colonization as the "second coming" of Europeans and rationalized by descriptions of "aboriginal Indians" (classified using the linguistic term Dravidian) as "a savage, primitive race incapable of civilization"! The Christian mission was to be a "civilizing mission"!
Hi Kushal, great one.. please take up Devdutt Patnaik's going bonkers over this finding in your podcast with Sam Sharma next , it's hilarious, basically "mythologist" devdutt patnaik has taken this busting of myth wayyy tooo personally, he is trying to prove the two race theory was legit with ridiculous arguments and has become outright abusive on Twitter.. he has lost it
Seriously???
Don't give him more publicity. He seems to be doing it deliberately on Twitter.
Devdutt patnaik is a mythology now...
If rakhigari is true..
and there s no aryan imgration theory..
Then it means harappan are ARYANS.? 🤔
Then harappans wrote mahabarata,? ramayana?.
Veda? Manu dharama.. Concept of
Yuga?..
All by harappan?.
Means harappans spoke sanskrit?.
They invented sanskrit? Prakriti? Bali? Dravidian languages?.
Means aryabhatta a harappan gene?
Chanakya's artha sastra a harappan?..
I am confused?.
Please anyone explain.
If ARYAN invasion theory by british is false then what is that king manu escaped by a dulge.by ship wd many people and vedas..??
I am confused . Please some one explain..
@@ekh-a-live7433 this is exactly how our history has been distorted by the British! The word ARYAN has come from the West - the Rig Veda and later literature use the term ARYA to denote respect, just as we say Sir in English. Even so, ancient Indian literary evidence has been very well established although we don't find any definitive archaeological evidence of the Rig Vedic Rishis, Ramayana or the Mahabharata and many later kingdoms.
Similarly, we have archaeological evidence of the Sindhu-Saraswati Civilization (AKA Harappan after the first discovered site of Harappa and Indus Valley Civilization), with more sites rapidly coming up now between the ancient Saraswati and the Gangetic plains. In the south, we have evidence of Harappan material (possibly visiting traders) right down till the Godavari.
The Rig Vedic people used Sanskrit language but didn't leave behind any written evidence. The Harappans had a writing system seen mostly in relation with trade which is till date undeciphered, but again, we don't know what language they used!
Harappans in the coastal areas of Sindh, Kutch, and Gujarat were more involved in sea trade while those in the hinterland were agriculturists as well as producers of trade goods. However, there were other cultures which thrived simultaneously in pockets, like the Ahar Culture in Rajasthan. Patching together all this will probably give us cohesive multi-culture evidence of ancient India - meaning, it is possible that the Harappans and Vedic people along with other cultures all lived together, keeping their individuality.
We need a lot more integrated archaeological work to be done and reports/simplified articles to be brought out into the public domain where people from other fields can use the evidence for further studies! I'd say it's obvious that we can't have had two of the greatest civilizations living simultaneously within one geographical region!!
Mitanni rulers who ruled iraq/syria from 16th century BCE as per the archeological records. They belong to the Late Rigvedic people as per the new books of Rigveda. This proves that they left Indus region much earlier to around 2000BC implying thay New books of Rigveda had already been written during 2000BC which in turn proves that Old books of Rigveda had to be older than atleast 2500BV or even 3000BC.
Irrefutable evidence is already available. Its only a matter of accepting it with intellectual honesty.
Not Only this The Zebu Cattel Migration is detected from India to Iran 4200 Years from Now amazaing As this face concides with the drying of saraswati River.
So we are on the verge of proving that the entire agricultural revolution originated right here in India. A truly valuable podcast.
No, if that was your takeaway, you need to sober up and do some more thinking and studying.
Niraj rai, vasant shinde,gyaneshwar chaube they r scientists not like tony Joseph who is journalist.
hahahaha this is epic ! finally in the faces of Aryan fantasists and those who obsess about the Aryan invasion theory.
One of the best podcasts on TH-cam.
12:00
How reliable is it to assign a direction to the migration when the samples are too few in number? How reliable is the pre-established gradient data? How accurate is the dating of the samples?
Only 1 sample was from Rakhigarhi.
Its not the size of sample per se that provides conclusive evidence...its the size of genetic imprint in that particular sample size (whether 1 or 60).
@@chessclub270 But how do we know if that one person represents the average genetic composition of the community? Could be a trader or traveler who happened to die there, or a woman who got married into a distant land (distant from her native place) or a scholar who came from far to learn in Harappa.
@@---------------------------... if we take the aryan Gene to be foreign and 'x' gene to be native as null hypothesis. When the imprints are compared we see the amount of their expression in particular genome. If it was just a trader or even upto second generation offspring the soze of inprint of both the genes couldn't be so big (as depicted in paper). This clearly admits that the size of imprint was at least 4 times bigger i.e. at least 40th generation of that native gene.
@@chessclub270 I see.. I'm just saying that the one-person sample from Rakhigarhi may not be representative of the general population in that area.
@Matthayi Naalaaman How can a genome study comment on which language the person spoke? 😅 Makes one doubt the intention of the authors who insisted on putting that _opinion_ in the paper.
When you say the Rakhigarhi genome matches 11 other samples from non-Harappan sites, it could also support OIT (out of India theory), no? Which is why I find it difficult to support a theory of a particular direction of migration. Errors in dating of samples and having too few samples in general will introduce large errors in inferences IMO.
Agriculture is originated and developed in indus valley civilization and some people travelled for trade purpose....these people are out liers....not result of any mass migration
Exactly, I always found aryan migration theory way believable then aryan invasion......
@@ishansyal3365 for invading any new geographical area you have to migrate from one place to another
@@jagadeeswaranr3821 yeah but there is a difference between migrating and infiltrating and also in settling down peacefully and a creating a planned massacre......
@@ishansyal3365 some people used sword to massacre local people that is one time.... But some other people used brain for psychological massacre of local society... that is continuously existing and creating social and economic inequalities..
Sir...Whether invasion or migration ...what effect that brings to local people that is important
@@jagadeeswaranr3821 I am a woman.....so u mean existing culture is not native???
Great question answers...
Never thought I will be able to watch such deep discussion about topic on any indian TH-cam channel..
One more thing I would like to mention about ANI and ASI. Western scientist have been dihonest in collecting samples. Everyone knows that Andamanese, Harappan and Iranian separated >12000 ago (~30000 BC). Andamanese have been living in isolation for almost 30000BC, thus they show very less variance from the time of original separation. These people when collecting samples included Andamanese sample with southern Indian people. And, it was obvious that the coefficient of that variable will weigh more. Thus, ASI somehow became totally different from north India. If you remove Andamanese samples, we will not find any different in Indians from north and Indians from south. Thus, ANI and ASI separation stands false.
Agree
Damn! I missed the live chat.
I would love to ask Niraj sir if there are more samples under study, if any male DNA under observation. would love to know what is in the store for future.
Have they published paper of R1a diversity in India? I can't seem to find.
Yeh jhooth tha. R1A1 has highest diversity in india that's indeed true but its parent R1A has highest diversity in eastern Europe.
If you guys want to know about agriculture and gradual evolution of Harappan civilization you need to talk to Dr.Shinde the lead author of the paper who took the lead in the excavations at Rakhigarh.
Kushal does very under-appreciated work.
35:18 no no actually Rig Veda not written in a time, I think this is written in may be thousand year in linguistic evidence
U mean sanskrit was here at the time of IVC or before that. 😂😂😂
@@rockdstone4863 Yes, the Puranic chronology is nearly 7000 years old.
Mahabharata is atleast 5100 years old if not more.
Ramayana is even older than MB
Rigveda talks about mighty Saraswati roaring from Himalayas to ocean. Remember Sarawati dried abot 4000 years ago.
During Ramayana times, Rigved, Yajurveda & Samveda already existed.
@@rahulchawla6256 it's shows how much u read vedas. So according to u rama used to worship earlier. For ur kind information there is no proof of anything god in indus valley civilization. So, maharabharta us 5,100 is years old.. now coming to the main point what language ur ramaayan and Mahabharata time people used to speak?
Vedas hv natural gods like sun, moon, rain, etc. And Tribes all over the globe used to worshipped such gods. Go & read.
When Upanishads and Indian philosophies followed people use mind, when so called Ramayana and MB was written people became slave of god.
Earlier concept of Hinduism was take knowledge, use mind, choose own path and create new paths for others. Bt later it became just follow the fake gods to get wealthy, wash the sins and get heaven.
@@rahulchawla6256 drying river is a natural and it's natural process.
@@rockdstone4863 ignorant there r Archeological evidences for MB nd Ramayan and how can u say MB was written by slaves of God???? When Krishna was defeated by Jarasandh how can u say its god centric???? Also fictional characters don't have lineages of their own. Mahabharat happened 3100 yrs ago not 5000 yrs ago the Archeology of dwarka by sn rao and other sites by Prof BB Lal clearly proves thay MB is historical!!!
Great knowledge you have given MR Niraj Rai Can we have the this paper to read ? Please
More queries and willing to understand the further developments,
of course I came after watched the latest podcast "Human Skeletal Remains Found In Punjab
", great work by Dr. Niraj Rai and Dr. Gyaneshwer Chaubey.
Keep it up Kushal
The skeleton's DNA showed that the people of ancient Rakhigarhi were a mix of 'Ancient Ancestral South Indian' and 'Iranian Agriculturalist' populations.
What the Rakhigarhi DNA lacked was the steppeland genes that are strongly associated with high-caste North Indian populations today.
The close match of Rakhigarhi DNA with South Indian tribal populations also suggests that the Indus valley culture probably spoke an early Dravidian language.
That article where Rakhigari sample was correlated with Irula tribe is actually a fake article penned without any data from actual paper released by researchers. But yes high castes of South India especially in Deccan region have very high IVC so language can be Dravidian. But IVC is very low in low castes and tribes of South India
@@Anshulhe so funny bro majority of government control by north indian sure they had power to change history as they want thats why tamilnadu give their research srcipture to europe country atleast they give truth result by the way they already finish the research but they hold that the research result because most of things outcome become against north india by the way this thing already out in times of india akd others articles how long you guys keep deny it
@@Anshulhe one more thing higher cast and lower cast not exist that period all same the caste system in influence from north
@@alliswell1883 I don't understand your ignorance I'm just correcting you based on actual research that was put out, times or whatever news published it doesn't have anything to do with that false article they just shared it as news without verifying it's authenticity. Even Tamil researchers denied that false article relating Rakhigari genes to Irula tribe. So there's no propaganda here infact researchers from north actually established that Rakhigari sample similar to all indians and more so with high castes of Deccan south like coorgis, whereas mostly low caste are further mixed with other tribes so lost majority IVC component. So yes language can be Dravidian because of high presence in South High castes but IVC component is very very less in low caste and tribes of south. So before making such illogical claims out of articles that you read and took to be real better go and study actual paper published by vasant shinde.
@@Anshulhe another thing is the new found scripture in keezhaladi was found which is exact same to scripture found in indus valley the symbols words are same not only that nowdays tamilnadu regions name same as nowdays pakistan hindus valley region which prove same people who leave in indus valley migrated to south region and another think indus valley had strong connection with arabic trades which no region found but in tamilnadu particular place called poompuhar where can find evidence of arabian arrives not only that south indian culture consider bull has their own family member same in indus valley you can find alot of bull statues other thing is you still can find dravidian speaking people in pakistan region names brahui. even the building style of indus valley so special any of other world civilization not had which is build with burned bricks which act so strong but same style build was found in keezhaladi and there is believe that rig veda was born in indus valley until now you can see alot of tamil words in rig veda lastly the sanskrit it prefix while tamil and other dravidian language is suffix the scripture in indus valley is suffix not prefix which show clear that symbols language was tamil language
You're asking a genetic scientist to talk about archaeological evidence and linguistic studies. These questions can be answered with far more depth by an archaeologist! Please talk to Dr. Vasant Shinde who is the primary author of this paper. He is the Dean of Deccan College P-G Research Institute and the Director of excavation at Rakhigarhi.
@Pathan Yousefzai Dumbfuck spotted!!
Archaeology matches the genetic data. Linguistics can't tell you anything about ancestry. Also linguistics is unreliable for obvious reasons - language is learned from scratch by every person in every lifetime, so language is not stable over long periods of time, and can change completely over a very short period of time.
@@pisquared1827 agreed,arabization of Egypt & persia
Genetics doesn't show migrations. It only shows closeness. Genetics can be used either way as a population is going from point A to point B or point B to point A.
If it was the steppe pastoralists that are implied to have have been the original Vedic people, then why is there no remaining evidence of this Vedic culture in those areas today or in their archaeological sites?
You know how these bastards claim about plastic surgery, internet and pushpak vimanas in vedic times. And test tube production of babies, nuclear powered arrows of Arjun. Well, these are similar claims like those. They are only making laughing stock of themselves.
Because the Vedas came from india
exactly
What was the pre sanskrit language form ...a language develope step by steps not suddenly comes new language so what's are stages of the pre sanskrit language aftar indus vally script??
It's amazing that their language become extinct
Sir... How do the Sanskrit and Sindhu language differ so much ?
Tony Joseph: abhi to aur jaleel hona h.
Don't take him seriously, a quick background search will show that he is a actually a leftist journalist XD nothing to do with genetics lol
Amazing discussion,
Can everyone just pronounce Steppe properly as STEP. Yes it is written as Steppe but the E at the end is not pronounced. Please!
it's okay.
nhi hum to aise hee bolenge jo karna hai krlo
Does it matter?? We are not British.
Would you be able to speak even the most simple word in Sanskrit with the exact linguistic accuracy and intonation? Simple?🤑
Aparna I speak 15 languages! He is not speaking Sanskrit here, so what does that have to do with mispronouncing an English word? What you are doing is called deflection! Simple!
Great subject, most interesting.
I'd like to know about the Indian Roma's, who were they exactly?
Three small Hindu tribes. One of horse dealers, the other of circus performers, and the third were thieves. They united and hired out to Persia to fight the Muslims. Muslims won, and they retreated to Armenia. There they were partially converted to Christianity, but they still have no Clergy or churches. They spread out throughout Europe, and they are mostly illiterate scam artists. What else you want to know?
@@eddemian so Picasso and Chaplin have strong Romani genes !!! Are they scam people!!
Those were vedic romaka tribes
So sanjeev sanyal 's book history of geography of India. Is correct and niraj rai ji says the same thing.
This gentleman is distorting archaeological find.
Horse k evidence k liye kya ..... Website btayi ..... Anybody got it???
Bhimbetka cave paintings ko refer kijiye
Horse and chariot were there in india 10000 years before also...Search bhimbedka rock painting horse and chariot..Those are the most ancient sites in india ...Of Mesolithic era
what is the reasoning behind the dating of rig Veda?
Maybe to know whether rigveda was composed in india (if older than the rakhigarhi woman) or got from outside (from mittani kingdom and their description of Indra, varuna etc being witness to the cornation of mittani king) if younger than rakhigarhi woman. As the rakhigarhi woman had no steppe genes. So she is the fulcrum around which the debate goes on. This is what I have understood.
Purely Cristian mythology. You may not believe it and find it funny that Max Muller keeping in view the Cristian myth of creation of earth some 6000 years before Jesus, thought it would take descendants of Adam and Eve to migrate from middle east to India come up with different languages and compose Rig Veda some years 2000-4000 years, to come to the date of 1500 BC for Rig Veda. And this date based on a ridiculous idea is still followed by scientists today lol
Rigveda has many astronomical calculations. They are most powerful evidences.
Great great job both of you . Please call nilesh nilkanth oak
Why this podcast have less views
There was mention of south Indian tribal with whom the gene matches. Can somebody please elaborate on it?
Irulars of kerala, tamilnadu, karnataka junction nilgiri hills of westernghats
Does not it confirm that dravidians moved from North to down south as is established by historians
@@chrismathen, no..whole of india was inhibited by the same people(proto australoid) north western part of india got mixed with estern iranians/steppe people etc early.. And later these mixed people mixed with ancinet proto austraoid people down south forming dravidians of present day
@@deepblue3682 precise explanation
@@chesingh16 Indo-Aryan DNA=R1a1a1 originated in India not centeral asia. go to the below link you will see DNA concentration of Indo-Aryan here in India is highest 28% in Central asia it is 24% and in europe its 10%.
British Invaded India, India will not have more number of British DNA, more number of British DNA will be found from where they came from.
similarly South Asia or Indian subcontinent have highest number of r1a1a1, so Bharat is also home land of North Indians.
EXPOSING THE FRAUD.
we know Indian subcontinent is from Afghanistan to combodia. but these people try to add DNA samples of Afghanistan to centeral asia to push centeral asian narrative that Indo-Aryan originated in CA not Bharat. moreover these people ignored DNA sample of whole Bangladesh as if Bangladesh is not part of Indian subcontinent. R1a1a1 is clearly have Indian origin.
t.co/IqBdDd2IL1
So what's the big deal if Harappans lacked Aryan genes. It all the more bolsters the idea that Aryans came after Harappans were buried.
Did you not listen to the entire podcast. Nobody denies that there was migration from Central Asia to the subcontinent but refuting the idea that there was ever an invasion that replaced the indigenous culture and that the Rigvedas were of foreign origin. Dr Rai also mentioned that Rigvedas are conclusively dated to 2200 BCE and not 1200 BCE. We need to revise all these colonial era definitions of our own culture by foreign assholes with agendas to downplay the greatness and influential nature of our the Indian civilization
@@tanmaykulkarni1545 1) So? What's the big hooplah? Invasion was dubbed as migration way back in the 90s itself by the academia...... 2) Rigveda can never be conclusively and definitely dated by anyone because they are oral tradition. One can only speculate or make an educated guess at best.
@@ameyajoshi8849 They can be very well Be dated from Internal Evidence Rig Veda pre dates the 3000B.C.-4000B.C. marker
@@alokbejai5250 Many Flaws in Your Argument
1. It's is Highly absurd to give out assumptions like Chariots were Not discovered 4000B.C. , 3000B.C. etc. If We Look at the style structure of the 2000B.C. Chariot evidences we have we can detect that they must have come to this stage through a lot of transformation which crosses 4000B.C.
2. Which Mandal of the Right Veda talks about this There are two Old and new Rig veda which one talks about that?
@@alokbejai5250 HMMM SO WHAT I SAID WE CANNOT SAY BASELESS THINGS AND GIVE BASELESS CLAIMS THAT CHARIOTS DID NOT EXISTED . AS I SAID BY EXAMINING TH SANAULI CHARIOT IT WAS VERY ADVANCE SHOWING THAT ATLEAST IN INDIA IF WE GET THAT MUCH ADVANCE CHARIOT IN 2000B.C. WE HAVE TO TRACE BACK THE ORIGIN OF CHARIOTS MORE.
BUT GIVE ME THE VERSES FIRST PLEASE. FROM THE 7TH BOOK
Steppe Ancestry does not prove Rig Veda originated in Steppes. It is proved that Rig Veda is originated in India and went outside. By Rig Veda I mean Proto-IE language and that went to central Asia, Iran, Celtic, etc. I do not know how has that got to do with genetic data.
Who brought horse and chariot?
What happened to his upcoming paper?
All this talk and paper only refutes the Anatolian hypothesis of Aryan migration. What about the Kurgan hypothesis? The paper still clearly mentions Aryan migration as fact.
@Matthayi Naalaaman Genes do not encode language. Saying that there is a Proto-Indo-European gene is pseudosientifc bullcrap.
Good info but poor audio
Rig Veda is pretty much older than Harappa.
No, it is not. Perhaps the roots of the oral traditions that many Indo-European tribes share is, but not the RigVeda. RigVeda is a primitive cattle herding people's hymns to please the sun, the storm God, the fire God and to get help and protection against Demons and drought, as well as diseases and help against enemies on the battlefield.
Second last paragraph of their article in Cell says:
"However, a natural route for Indo-European languages to
have spread into South Asia is from Eastern Europe via Central
Asia in the first half of the 2nd millennium BCE, a chain of transmission that did occur as has been documented in detail with
ancient DNA. The fact that the Steppe pastoralist ancestry in
South Asia matches that in Bronze Age Eastern Europe (but
not Western Europe [de Barros Damgaard et al., 2018; Narasimhan et al., 2019]) provides additional evidence for this theory, as it
elegantly explains the shared distinctive features of Balto-Slavic
and Indo-Iranian languages (Ringe et al., 2002)."
Here they (David Reich?) are again propagating AIM. What does Dr. Rai have to say about this?
Narsimhan who is a coauthor is just citing his own discredit paper. Check out geneticist Premendra Priyardshi's critique of that work.
aryaninvasionmyth.wordpress.com/
@@mkelkar1 he speaking about journal, you sharing blogspot. 😂😂 premendra priyardshi is biased writer, none of this works accept by mainstream scholars, it was only considered as propaganda.
@Anonymous That is not an argument against his claim.
@Nakul Gote . For this , you need to go back to what the Aryan invasion theory actually is . It is not just that central Asians came to India . It's that Aryans had invaded the Harappans ( who were 'Dravidians' ) and pushed them south . Thus, north Indians are Aryans and south Indians are leftover Harappans .
Of course , this was debunked long ago, but neither the Left not the Right is doing anything to present a holistic picture . To sum it up , has the Aryan invasion theory been debunked ? Yes and no . Basically 'Aryans'( Arya just means noble in Sanskrit ) came to India centuries after the IVC declined . The migrants introduced sanskrit(debated , sanskrit is clearly a Indo-European language , but this does not mean that it is foreign in origin-the language could have attained it's grammatical maturity AFTER its rudimentary form was introduced into India-maybe this is why there is no mention of an Aryan homeland ) , mixed with the locals and adopted local customs . There is a greater propensity of Steppe genes in North Indians and in upper castes (the highest is about 30% found in some north Indian brahmins ), however mixing was widespread and multi directional.Now , the exact chronology of the cultural evolution of 'Aryans' is unclear . The Vedas don't speak of an Aryan homeland , so we are not sure if the Rig Veda was developed after the Aryans came to India or afterwards . Dating of Rig Veda is difficult,since it is a language and not a carbon datable artefact. There is also the fact that there is no archaeological evidence for a foreign Aryan culture . Additionally, Aryans actually adopted local customs like Mother Goddess , Shiva Linga etc and the Rig Vedic religion basically morphed into something closer to modern Hinduism . Basically, the exact nature of migration is still unclear .
@@raydendenko5260 caste system was propaganda of invaders giving lower status to the original inhabitants of ivc culture.
The skeleton excavated from the village Rakhigarhi in Haryana had enough DNA to disclose its ancestry. An analysis of the DNA showed that the skeleton was more linked to a Dravidian tribal group named ‘Irula’, currently living in Tamil Nadu and Kerala in the Nilgiri highlands. Political sensitivity surrounding the issue had delayed publishing the study, but finally it is thought to be ready for print, as described in India Today, along with the data. It is expected to appear in Science this month.
Indus Valley Script would be absolute deathblow .
If rakhigari is true..
and there s no aryan imgration theory..
Then it means harappan are ARYANS.? 🤔
Then harappans wrote mahabarata,? ramayana?.
Veda? Manu dharama.. Concept of
Yuga?..
All by harappan?.
Means harappans spoke sanskrit?.
They invented sanskrit? Prakriti? Bali? Dravidian languages?.
Means aryabhatta a harappan gene?
Chanakya's artha sastra a harappan?..
I am confused?.
Please anyone explain.
If ARYAN invasion theory by british is false then what is that king manu escaped by a dulge.by ship wd many people and vedas..??
I am confused . Please some one explain..
The word Aryan has come from Sanskrit Arya which means noble and righteous. These Arya-s are described as children of light which got mistranslated to light skinned people. Besides that, Sanskrit is the mother of large number of European and Indian languages. Hence this aryan myth was created where light skinned central asians and eurasians came to India to give Sanskrit
So aryan concept is a myth..?
Or
Scholars or educated people in Harappans community are called aryans,.? means vedas, epics, manudharma composed by harappan scholars kld aryan?...
As Dr.Rai says we have explored only about 2%.We got to go a very very very long way.Lets request Govt for more funding and research.Then,we can know our past more widely. Harappa sites have become more important only because of the fact that they are the oldest civilised sites discovered till date on Indian Soil.We are not able to find other sites because of harsh weather in many areas due to which the samples must have decomposed over long time periods. Dr.Rai also mentions about excavation required at Cold regions of India like Ladakh where there is possiblity of samples being preserved for long due to cold climate.
@Matthayi Naalaaman stop copy pasting lemur
was kekai in ramayan from iran or persian
Iran Ancient Name Is "Persia" (Zoroastrianism)
@Paritosh Jadhav Ramayanam is fack story.Why Rama go to fight with Mr.RAVAN. king of whole india.
No, probably somewhere around Sialkot or something.
@Paritosh Jadhav rakhigrahi exactly disproved this! Farming did not come from Iranians lol its the opposite direction ! The founder of Iranian religion Zoroastrian , prophet Zostaster himself claims to be a descendent of Indian Sage Atharvan, XD
@Paritosh Jadhav ramayana is not fake?
Ramayana, gita and purans were written when buddhism and jainism were spreading rapidly. Buddha and jains followed path of upanishads which means knowing self. Dont use bad words for someone as truth is truth. Learn about sankracharya who talks about advaita god which is path of upanishads, but he needed to people to divert to hinduism so he accepted idol worship but he said true path is non idol path. U guys say ramayana and gita are not fake, both tlk about astavakra who born around 2200-2000 years ago. While ur rama born 3000 BC.
There is no proof of rama and krishna in any civilisation.
Two important points:
1) Aryan, Dravidian are language groups, not genetic groups. Languages that people speak can be learned/changed within a few years, and so are not a marker for ancestry.
2) To track population past origin and movements, use is made of specific genetic markers which are different between populations. This does not mean that there is a big genetic difference between members of those populations. Rather, the scientists are looking specifically for very minor DNA differences that can be used to track past migrations .
You mean pitch dark skin people nearly crores at tamilnadu and kerala, are "same" gene wd fair, fairest gujrathi, up, punjabi, haryani, kashmiri, rajathani.. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂..
Means tamilian darness and sikkimese same gene.. 😂😂😂😂..
@@ekh-a-live7433 do u understand dna is same
Kerala people have fair skin .tamils skin color is mostly wheatish . Pitch black are tribals .
Rakhigarhi add further evidence for Aryan migration or invasion theory. First, the woman skeleton excavated from the village Rakhigarhi in Haryana had enough DNA to disclose its ancestry. An analysis of the DNA showed that the skeleton was more linked to a Dravidian tribal group named ‘Irula’, currently living in Tamil Nadu and Kerala in the Nilgiri highlands.
2. The argument was that there were no major gene flows from outside to India in the last 12,500 years or so because mtDNA (mother, woman) data showed no signs of it. yes most Indians have maternal gene of native dravidian.
3.But it was shown that Y-DNA (father) did indeed show major gene flows from outside into India within the last 4000 to 4,500 years or so, especially R1a which now forms 17.5% of the Indian male lineage. The reason why mtDNA data behaved differently was that Bronze Age migrations were severely sex-biased. The invaders were mostly male warriors.
3. The next argument put forward was that R1a lineages exhibited much greater diversity in India than elsewhere and, therefore, it must have originated in India and spread outward. This has been proved false because a mammoth, global study of R1a haplogroup published last year showed that R1a lineages in India mostly belong to just three subclades of the R1a-Z93 and they are only about 4,000 to 4,500 years old.
Meyporul kural This is hypotheses no evidence...🙉🙊🙈
@@navinjoshi7120
Shamelessness indifference (to what must be sought after), harshness, and aversion for everything (that ought to be desired) are the qualities of the fool ( Thirukural: 833; Written in 2100yrs back in Tamil, Sangham Literature).
Origin of R1A DNA
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia
Meyporul kural How does your point prove Aryan theory? You are still talking myth my friend. Mr Navin Joshi made a right point, but you started scolding him using a metaphor of Thirukkural. Unfair!
@@bhuvansoc9432 are you serious? 17% of ANI MALE GENES ARE ARYAN MATCHING WITH IRANIAN ..DO YOU AGREE INDIA WAS INVADED BY ARYANS(IRAN), ARABS, TURKIC CENTRAL ASIAN GREEK AND SO ON..
Does it mean migration from steppes were later than Harappan civilization?
no older. he said no steppe gene flow from less than 12000 years before
@aman kumar tu english me interview dekh. Shayad samajh a jaye
@aman kumar mere bhai, agar mai prove kar du isi paper se ki brahman videshi nahi hai to manage?
@aman kumar FIR karne ki jarurat nahi. Kyuki researchers pahle hi is theory ko jhootha bata chuka hain.
@aman kumar page no. 1 Dekho is report ka. ANI yani ancestral north Indians me ye yamnaya ancestory 20% se bhi kam hai. It means ki koi group directly nahi aya. Vo dna mixed population ke through aya hai. Ye trade ka peak time tha. Ye dna most probably migration se aya and yaha mix hua.
Dusri bat ye report European perspective se bani hai. Jisme Caucasus me gore rang ki utpatti batayi jati hai. Par recent indian dna studies se ye bat disprove hui.
Line 10, part 2, page 11 batata hai ki ye koi formal test nahi hai. Assumption based hai.
Moreover, page 11 part 3 suggests that anatolian farmers introduced farming in the east lekin farming india aur Iran ki ancestral hai.
Ye report europe biased hai.
Rakhigarhi people were a mix of Iran-related neolithic and and andamanese related people.- steppe people came later. Question is when and if they are responsible for Sanskrit
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident - German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer.
The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it - George Orwell
Some people say "Aryan and Dravidian race is a complete hoax", but India have two distinct major linguistic group namely Indo-Aryan [Indo-European] and Dravidian Language group, namely Sanskrit and Tamil. Even though the word Dravidian coined only in later days, since it is used to represent a Distinct linguistic group. We say it as Aryan and Dravidian races namely Aryans and Ancient Tamils. So "Aryan and Dravidian race is NOT a hoax"
Aryan migration theory is NOT based on British version of Indian history, rather DNA genetical evidences, Archeological evidences and Sanskrit linguistic group namely Indo-Aryan [Indo-European] proves beyond doubt about its European [Steppe Land] Aryan origin.
In recent decades, the idea of an Aryan migration into India has been disputed by Indian scholars, who claim Indigenous Aryans scenarios [Only because they do NOT want to be identified as OUTSIDERS to India]. However, these alternate scenarios are rooted in traditional and religious views on Indian history and identity and are universally rejected by mainstream scholars.
It is a UNIVERSALLY accepted scientific fact that "R1A1 DNA originates in Europe, NOT in India". R1a1 often called the Aryan gene has been linked to a number of tribes that had originated in the Caucasus region. Hittites who went to Babylon, Mittani that went to Turkey, Hyskos who went to Egypt, Italics, Dorians and others especially Aryans who went to ancient Iran and then to Afghanistan and India.
There is NO evidence that the gene originated in ancient India and spread westwards. However, in India, people try to change the genetic origin of the Aryan-speakers in an upside down position [In Reverse Order].
The country Name Iran itself means "Land of the Aryans" and Iranshahr. The very close relation between Iranian and Indo-Aryan groups has never been doubted. They share linguistic features to such a degree that Indo-Iranian is generally described as a distinct subgroup of Indo-European. The term Arya has been used by the Iranian people, as well as by the rulers and emperors of Iran, from the time of the Avesta.
The well-attested Indo-Iranian languages are Vedic Sanskrit, Avestan and Old Persian. Sanskrit and Avestan are very closely related languages with exact grammatical principles and numerous cognates [Blood Relative]. You can find words which are exactly identical, like Sanskrit/Avestan naman (name), ushtra (camel) etc.
The list of Vedic Sanskrit gods are - Indra, Varuna, Mitra, Soma, Rudra, Vishnu & Agni.
The list of Mittani [Syria] gods are - Indra, Varuna, Mitra and Nasatyas (Ashvins)
This proves that Vedic Sanskrit gods are similar to that of Mittani [Syria] gods. And Mittani language being older than Sanskrit proves that Rigveda originated in Syria / Iran and then moved to India.
Language, literature, epics & poems evolves every century. In Vedic/Hindu literature, Asuras (Ahuras) are bad guys while Devas are heroes. In Zoroastrian/Persian literature, Ahuras (Asuras) are heroes while Devas are the villains.
When the Vedic Aryans moved further, they arrived in the Indian subcontinent they were faced by the native Dravidians, Dravidians that got conquered were placed as low caste in Vedic Aryan society. The Vedic Aryans continued to call their enemy as “Asuras", but the description of the Asuras changed to Dravidians (i e. present day south-Indians) with dark skin, large facial hair etc.
This is another proof for Rigveda evolving in Syria / Iran [Persia] and moved to Indian sub-continent. Initially Asuras (Ahuras) were referring to Zoroastrian/Persian and in later days Asuras were used to refer Dravidians.
We have all the proofs for Aryan invasion in Rig Veda itself. Dasyus were the people who lived in India when the Aryans arrived here. They were having a dark-skin and flat noses. Battles depicted in the R̥gveda are directly referring to Aryans migrating into India which is native land of dark skinned people Dravidians. Rig Veda - Dasa: 54 hymns and 63 verses and Dasyus: 65 hymns, 80 verses. The accounts of conflict between the Aryans and the Dasas and Dasyus are acknowledged in Rig Veda.
Rig Veda describes that Dasas and Dasyus were people who do not perform sacrifices. Aryans had to fight with these people for land. The Aryans defeated them and did not treat them well. The Aryan chief who overpowered Dasyus were called dasyuhatya (slaughter of the dasyus) this is repeatedly mentioned in the Rig Veda.
Read the following to know more on this same subject
Aryan by Birth - Upper Caste Fair Skin NORTH Indian (Brahmin, Kshatriyas & Vaisyas)
Dravidian by Birth - Lower caste Dark Skin Sudras & Paraiahs / Panchamas (Dalits / Tribes)
Across the globe White people feel they are superior and enslave black people. That is the case in Africa and America too. Even in India even though we Indians had very old civilization then the British. The British people who came here for TRADE enslaved Indians. Same thing happened in Ancient India. Even though Dravidians had a OLDER Civilization, Aryans made them as Sudras claiming white people are superior and black people are inferior.
People living in Indian Sub-continent who are ALL fair in complexion have mostly Steppes grass land R1A1 genes in their DNA these people are basically Aryans. More than caste it is the Skin color which decides whether someone is Aryan or Dravidians. People living in Indian Sub-continent who are Dark in complexion have mostly South Asian Hunter Gatherer genes in their DNA these people are Dravidian [Tamils] basically.
Tamils means all Sudras & Paraiahs / Panchamas (Dalits / Tribes) lived/living across Indian sub - continent. Even today, you can see dark skinned and pale dark-skinned people living across India in all places, they were all Tamils only in ancient India. "Justice H N Nagamohan Das Commission panel" says, Indian Vedic philosophy lead to social inequality and caste system, All these happened because of Brahmins, Upanishads, Manusrmiti, and epics like Mahabharata and Ramayana...” the commission said in its July 2020 report, which the BJP government formally accepted.
The panel report also says that people belonging to Dravidian race resided in North India once upon a time. “Many foreign invaders such as ARYANS, Persians, Greeks, Huns, Turks, Mongolians, Europeans etc came and fought against local people. The rulers who won the war developed relations with local women and consequently emerged mixed races”
About Kasthriyas, who ever had the courage and willpower conquered the land, for them even if they are from lower caste, Brhamins did NOT had any choice. So, Brahmins accepted who ever won the war as Kasthriyas except Muslim. Kasthriya Kings always married fair and good looking girls. So, Kasthriyas community have a mix of Upper caste and lower caste DNAs in them.
Read the following facts about DNA Studies.
Why R1A1 DNA originates in EUROPE, but not in India. why it is it not found or too less in percentage among South Indians ?
Why M haplogroups DNA is NOT found in Upper caste Aryans or North Indians ? If found why so less ?
If you have read Vedas there are lots and lots of mention about Horses, then why HORSES are not native to INDIA ?
If Aryans lived in India 5,000 years back means, then why there were NO Horse seals in Harappan IVC sites ?
Why copper hoard culture found only with Aryans, but not with Dravidians ?
Why antenna swords found in Sinauli - India which belongs to BMAC - Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex ?
Haplo M is found among 60% of modern day Indians. It is in every person from South. But here’s the main catch ! It’s only found in depressed classes of northern and tribal peoples of northern India. But, almost to zero to 1-4% among Higher caste Aryans or North Indians.
Just like R1A1 not found in south in the same way south’s M groups are not found among R1A1 peoples of north.
So, it is proved beyond doubt that "ALL upper caste Fair Skin North Indians are ALL ARYANS, and all lower caste Dark Skin Sudras & Paraiahs / Panchamas (Dalits / Tribes) are all Dravidians"
Male DNA R1a1 missing as it was not present..but how come it present now .. do there was an invasion by people with this DNA .. harappan mothers and central Asian r1a1
R1 A1 is an male gene (XY) .. Obviously it won't be found in Females...Isn't it obvious??
What about the kushanas?
Not much genetic contribution in the indian gene pool, its like expecting Mongolian/ mughal or British DNA in modern Indians XD
So basically people came and mixed. They came in search of greener pastures and these guys went all around the world. Technology did not change. If Rigveda dating is 1200 BC, the Gods changed, the way of worship was adopted, the language changed. If Rigveda dating is 2200 BC, the concept changes and this becomes an Out of India theory.
It's so amusing to hear on 'scholarships' on the non existent 'aaryan race'!
PLZ discuss about Kezhadi excavation in Tamilnadu
Kushal
In fairness, you should have restricted your questions only on 'genetics' side to Dr Rai and not make him say things that he wouldn't want to be drawn into. With many of these topics, as you know, the ground under our feet keep changing all the time. While Science based changes do not make a scientist feel regretful about (what's true is true as of that time!) on topics like archaeology, linguistics etc. it's better to not elicit 'public' views of a person as it can undermine the scientific work he is doing. We should allow people to be taken very seriously, in their 'respective spheres', to present a cogent case. Else, it will lose steam.
The DNA was 4500 years old and no one said Central Asian came to India before 3500 years back. Harvard group didn't agree with Indian group. DNA does not have R1a1 then from where R1a1 came from? Actually it proved stepe people migration.
@Dan Neutron Exactly.
Watch the interview
Moreover r1a y hapologroup can't be found in female!!
The way hes so confident It looks like he may have found R1a1 ancient samples with harappan genomes and lacking any steppe ancestry.
The evidence of HARAPPAN CIVILIZATION is entirely archeological, while evidence of vedic culture is entirely LITERARY!!!!!!!!
The OIT theory is a linguistic theory itself. Read Talageri.
@@sadenb OIT is now backed by genetic aswell
Dr. Rai has a good grasp on the facts, just wished he could articulate them better..
What about certain people putting stepes theory, claiming genetic proof of stepes teaching farming to IVC.,,,🙏.got the answer while listening to the video...lol good logic about the genetic diversity, steeped......"Migration always takes place towards a better place, environment and looking at the IVC./India lots of rivers compared to other areas. ...l"Even wildbeast and animals/birds in Africa show migration towards a better place....
What does it mean absence of r1a1 genes in Rakhigarhi Skelton?
Not all indians carry it.... But indians who carry it are most diverse in india
Rakhigarhi skeleton belonged to a Female and R1a1 is a male gene.
r1a1 is a y chromosomal dna, men pass down their y chromosome to their sons forming xy, women pass down x, that x if combined with y would bore a son while xx would result in daughter, the Rakhigarhi skeleton was that of a female which did not have y chromosomal dna for obvious reasons
the genome sequencing of men would shed more light upon the actual ancestry of that skeleton
In simple terms, in my opinion mice go where humans go (OOI)
As my language is English I am unable to follow this important discussion.
Get used to the accent
he is saying he is not able understand hindi
I'm sorry Stuart. I'll try to summarise the Hindi parts in my spare time.
@Raj Narayanan he is saying he can't understand the hindi parts of the video which is obvious
Matthayi Naalaaman thank you very much for the info. I was hoping the discussion would weigh the evidence with the converse theory that the language and Culture travelled the opposed way.
I want to know, those 11 skeletons which are categorized as Indus periphery Cline, did they also mix with the local population of Turkmenistan and Iran? How long ago did they mix? The found skeletons are they one of the hubrid of both or are they completely IVC DNA cline?
Srikant Talageri said that Rigveda talk about Vedic people migrating from greater Punjab towards Afghanistan and Balochistan/Iran.
Great video ... In honour of this video I am sacrificing 100 dogs 🐶
nicely explained the genetic point of view in learning ancient history. not the way some people write hypothesis in delhi and stick with it in such a way that they have time machine, going and coming back to and from history to tell us the truth. :)
The DNA SAMPLE IS NEARLY 5000 YEARS AGO, BUT ARYANS MIGRATION ONLY 3500YEARS AGO
What language are they speaking?
TAMIL
@@jeramjamadar3616 😂😂😉😉u can't be super crazy man, come on.
PIE 😉
Harappan civilization was way before vedic period and they were not Hindu but they used to idol worship.
Yoga was developed way before vedic period.
Tony Joseph has ruled out out of India migration theory with solid reasons…Dr Rai, is he politically neutral…I doubt…
Christians are politically motivated
Dr. Niraj Rai keeps saying "Aryan Invasion" and saying ""What is Aryan".
First of all, real scientists moved on, and they speak of "Migration", not "Invasion". Dr. Rai knows it, but he keeps saying invasion despite knowing that serious scientists today speak of "migration". Though, violent clashes surely took place, during a prolonged period of time. Then for his objection to the term "Aryan". Dr. Rai can call it what he wants, it does not matter. Call it a "Potato", what matters is, it migrated into India from the North, and upset the genetic makeup of the existing population. Also, I cannot believe that Dr. Rai quotes Frawley as an authority, Frawley is a pseuodo scientist, at best.
This Tony Joseph and others do not know the Evolution of Languages.
The fools make us to believe that Brahmi was daughter script of Phoenician Script.
When most mature Phoenician script is younger than old Brahmi. The time is also 3500 years before today. So they got the script in 1500 and they wrote Veda literally on the same day.
Get him back with in a debate with Dr Razib Khan!!!!!!!!
Watch Jaipur dialogue recent videos on debunking the AIT with proofs
R1a1 and Sanskrit.
What is the relation between gene and language??
The rakhigarhi DNA was a female. Haplogroup.R1a is a Y-chromosome marker. You wd never find it in a female!
rest dislikes are indians historians
Indian leftist historians
I think we must not consider Upper Caste North Indians(Aryans) as invaders. They must have found it tough in Steppes and decided to migrate to India. 4000 years ago, the population of whole world could have been 50 lakhs and maybe 2000 people came to India. Such small number cannot be called invasion. The local populations, who must have been receptive to them coming here otherwise they would not have survived.
Aryan invasion is disproved because Harappan gene is found in entire south asia.
Yadavs of haryana have 60% r1a group...punjabi balmikis have presence of 33% r1a group...so its clearly not just the north indian upper caste
If you want to convince the other side, present your findings in English especially in youtube where people search for such topics. Presenting such good data in a globally unimportant and largely unknown language doesn't help your case.
Namaste
This subject is not the exclusive property of Indians alone to be interpreted to suit many requirements of many people. It is in the realm of international scientific community, many of them themselves Indo Europeans and eminent scientists in their own fields . They don't have any axe to grind in reaching any conclusions. They state what they have observed and that's that. If some of us find these findings unpalatable , they are free to reach their own home-baked theories. It will be similar to the claims of having internet in the period of Mahabharata, Kauravas being given birth through in vitro (test tube) fertilization, knowledge of plastic surgery in the vedic period, knowledge of nuclear fission, possession of B2 bombers etc etc etc. We can convince some nincompoops in India but not the international community.
You seems very sad about the research
@@akepilinggiehili5320 I didn't listen to the video. The DNA of the Rakhigarhi skeleton did not have the Aryan DNA. But the DNA of a modern Indian will have the Aryan DNA which proves the Aryan invasion and that it took place in 1500 bc.
@@vineethjoshy4819 Same thing were discussed in the pod cast.... You won't believe 😂😂
This Vineeth lemur is extremely butt-hurt that his lifetime of commitment to the lie of Dravidianist idpol is just that - a big fat fantastical lie. Lol
@@thedescanteer Only certain alien invaders of my country will brand this as "Lie of Dravidianst idpol." But not the international scientific community, historians, archaeologists, linguists, anthropologists and genetists. Of course, these are also the same invaders who claim to have flown B2 bombers in their Vedic period. Shows the credibility of their science but reveals their powers of imagination good for bollywood movies.
Come on guys....
India and Afghanistan or Pakistan is not separated by walls...
So, if someone is Saying there is no absolutely Human traveling in between These two lands ....then it doesn't make any sense or logic...
Aryan invations might have not happened...
But, for sure migration might have surely happened...
Around 5000 Bc ...all over India Tamils was living...
All the Sastras was born in Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka Region...
This was happend before the Ravanas period and even before The Sri Lanka and India was Separated by ocean...
Due to the geographical nature...
And the Highest Sunlight receiving and of course world's lowest Gravitational Force (pls check gravity map of the world)..
The any number of plants and Living entities was Born in this areas..and it was trillions in Numbers..
So, the Adiguru Lord Siva was directly Landed to this areas and tought all the Cosmic secrets to those areas living Human being..
From that The first Hindu sector Saivism was born...
This was thriving all over India and at the time of IVC the Same people was living There...
The Rackighari DNA is a proof to say those people's are Tamils...
Here is the link from India Today :
www.indiatoday.in/magazine/cover-story/story/20180910-rakhigarhi-dna-study-findings-indus-valley-civilisation-1327247-2018-08-31
Now, again ...
The first agriculture was born from Lord Skanda.(Subramanya)..
And the first Agriculture was invented by him at a place call Kadirgramam in Sri Lanka..
Then those technologies was spread around the world later on...
Now At IVC ...those Persians was came for trading purposes first.then gradually few people settled due to intermixed marriages...
From those people The present day North Indian population was evolved...
That's why They have steppie genes mostly in North and some in South too...
The Vedas was born due to those mixed Race and actually that is a Another version of Saivism ...but north Indian version...
Instead of Word Shiva ...they wanted to use Word Brahmma..
The Same way those Persians brought these knowledge to Iran and from that the Zaurastrion religious was born...
So
Now little bit about rig Veda...
Rig Veda basically explain the technologies for human enhancement...
The first and foremost think is ...
Everything is mainly based on Iron and that teach how to melt Iron...
So, In Tamil there is a world call urukku (உருக்கு)..
That means Melting Science...
So, the word Irukku was used for That Sciences and from that the
Irukku Veda was born..
Now it's pronounced riggu Veda or rigveda...
Same way The Sanskrit...
That was never a spoken langauge by any Human beings at any given time at any place at this planet...
Sanskrit was simply a Higher vibrational Sound system to make yourself to Union with cosmos..
This was a sound system..
Ham..dam..yam..kleem..green..shreem.... etc..etc...
This was also invented by Those Tamils... actually the Highest attained Siddhas and Yogi's..
But, later those Persians use Tamil words and those sounds together and brought this as a langauge...
That is Now call Sanskrit..
Any body has any questions ??
@Kushal Mehra I don't know if a detailed response to this podcast is possible within the comments columns of TH-cam videos, but we can make a start by calling a steppe a step, and not a stepee. As for the rest, it gives me a headache.
Jali naa 🤣 insecure lefty🤣🤣🤣🤣
iranian dna that is why i like iranian and arabic girls huuuuu
Arey bhai iranian DNA which is common between Indians and Iranians. After all Iranians are our descendents, even their main prophet Zoroaster who founded Zorarstrian religions himself claims to be descendent of Indian sage Atharvan of Brighu sage clan XD
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GENES R NOT REAL INDICATER ABOUT LANGUAGE AND CULTURE
Even though we have different language we are one from within.
I don't think Northies want to call themselves Dravidians or Madrasis😂😂😂
i don't know what wrong with south indians& indians "peryar poison make you blind" every part of peoples have own his stereotype like{ i hope you know stereotype means }
1 bihar "yadava" = lalu and criminal "many south indian movies portray like this
2punjabi"including jaats gujjar sikh" = fool but aggressive
3northeastern = chingi bizarre food beautiful & laborious women lazy men
4gujrati = money lover corrupt & vegetarian
5 south indian = according to marathies and north indians "lungiwala" "Madrasis" according to foreigners "head shakers" {well Britishers dismantled many south indian kingdoms anxed by madras presidency so there is no tamil kanada.....etc except one identity madras presidency so every body came from these area known as madrasi}
6 bengali = boka coward men ........etc
there is no such thing "Dravidians" exists. only "south east Asian" identity remained according to research's
The word “Dravid” in simply means “the land with water on three sides” political agenda .
Dravidians or Aryans were not races as per this latest discovery if u understood.
@Snow 123 subhashchandra bos bengali. Size doesn't made what matters is guts. Still Punjabi and phashthun can't follow their culture that's Hinduism. They're divided, they hate each other, killed each other. You can't divide Tamil and Tamil. North is taking most of income tax. South can live happy with out North, but opposite not possible. North Indian are casteist that lead slavery of India. Casteism is responsible for North Indian must ask sorry.
Separatists are bad but supremacy is worst.
Why not? They have more Dravidian ancestry than steppe
Certainly Northies should not call themselves as dravidians or madrasis because dravidians and madrasis are highly accomplished and intelligent people.
No no Mr Rai Aryans culture actually rural culture, they have not built palaces, Manuments, like HARAPPANs, remember about MAY DANAV(NOT VISHWAKARMA) BUILT INDRAPRASTHA IN MAHABHARAT.
Tony is explaining something different and our Indian scientists are explaining something different...actually what is going on?
Tony joseph is right, indus valley people don't have aryan dna which is found in north indians, so how did these dna come in north indians, by migration of aryan people into india...niraj rai is telling lies, he is nationalist historian...
Tony Joseph is a Confused person
@@kalyanc2546 Hello Sir R1A1 is an Aryan gene where you got that bullshit???
@@pratham5719 go and read david reich, genecist of harvard university...
@@kalyanc2546 No No No
How can u "prove" R1A1 As an aryan gene If Harrpan civilization turns out to be vedic through Archaeology+Literature Evidence hence This proves that Harrpans whatever gene they are carrying were vedic these things are decided through Arcgaeology and Not gentics
Eminent scientists of India getting disconnected from world by using regional languages is sad. Most of prominent science papers are in English and Dr. Niraj Rai can speak in English. He is missing great opportunity
If steppe pastoralists DNS missing in Rakhigarhi excavations!! Why do Indians have it now ? What happened between now and then ? This is the question Hindutva brigade needs to answer!!
R1a is Male dna, how can it be found in a woman?
@Khushal Singh 🤣🤣
@Khushal Singh Nobody is immune to Aryan gene in India. This is due to heavy mixing. But the proportion of the gene goes down as you move down south. Look at the big picture!!
West Bengal Brahmins (72.22)
Uttar Pradesh Brahmin (67.74)
Bihar Brahmins (60.53)
Dawoodi Bohra (53.9)
Sindhi (52.4)
Pashtun (51)
Madhya Pradesh Saharia (50.87)
Indian Indo-Europeans(48.9)
India (North) (48.9)
Himachal Brahmin (47.37)
Punjabi (47)
Maharashtra Brahmins (43.33)
Konkanastha Brahmins (41.9)
Indo-Aryan Castes (40.2)
Kokanastha Brahmin (40)
South castes (13.6)
Sri Lankan Tamils (27.3)
Kodava (38)
Chenchu (26.8)
Indian Dravidians (26.7)
Mappila (32.5)
Brahui (24)
Andhra Pradesh Tribals (27.6)
Indian Telugus (26.67)
Koraga Tribal (0)
Madhya Pradesh Gonds (18.75)
Koya (2.4)
Uttar Pradesh Gonds (0)
@Khushal Singh Mitra All the invasions happened in the last 2000 years didn't contribute much to the genetics of India!! But steppe pastoralists migration contributed significantly to the Indian genetics!! Modern Indians have around 20-30 percent of contribution from them. Again, its in varying degrees like Brahmins and upper casts has higher proportion compared to the lower casts and tribes.
When you say 'hypothetical', it means you haven't really looked into the data. All the data ( archaeological, linguistic, genetics) clearly points towards massive migration. But you need to come out of your bias and analyze it transparently. I trust scientific community more than the religion bigots!! Btw, the whole exercise the scientific community is doing is not to show anybody in a poor light. This is just to know the 'truth'. After all migration is common phenomena!!
@Khushal Singh Mitra What makes you think they mixed so long ago ?
Mr Rai speaks English very poorly. Sometimes he cannot adequately communicate, what he’s talking about
His mothertongue is Hindi.
@@arnoldschafernaker512 he is marathi
First of all, there is no aryan or dravidian split and steppe faction. Why because, the ancesters of India, either north or south, came from Elam of Sumeria in different batches in different time period. The early people migrated to India in search of land and water for cultivation who came and mixed with the hunter gatherers already there and they settled from Indus valley to Kanya kumari. Another batch of people came from the same Elam of Sumeria to India as warriors and mixed with the people of India. This batch was a mixture of Elam citizens and Assyrian citizens which caused for genome variation. When this later Elam people migrated to India, the spoken language was changed from the original one that was Elamitte to Mittanni.That is the reason why entire India have the same culture and genome mixers. The latest language, a refined one, was widely spoken by most of Sumerian people of that time. The first language was found isolated from original ancestors. However, the refined language was a composition of Elam and Assyrian languages. After the spread of new language in India , more spiritual development took place especially orally spoken Vedas were documented. This paved the way for best culture in the world.
This shows hinduism is basically indegenious indian beleif system, aryans came with their gods of indra, agni, mitra, varuna etc... And after settling in india becoming farmers got to know indian gods of kali, shiva, krishna etc, later scaled down their own gods..!!.. wrote upanishads and puranas at the time of Guptas.. (yadavas may be a mixture of aryans and indegenious indians).. Tantra, yoga etc are the remenescent of that old indegenious religion which got mixed with ancient aryan paganism...Trimurthis as a concept came long afterwards, vishnu is buddha himself or avalohiteswara or even padmapani.
May i know the source of theory please???
@@ishansyal3365, aryan gods of indra, varuna, mitra are mentioned in many other places even early than in india, sanskrit is found in syria earlier than in india...in early Iranian patheons too varuna, indra,agni, mitra is mentiined... Vedic Yajna is called as hazna in early iranian religion... In earlier mittani kingdom of syria indra, varuna, mitra, agni etc is mentioned in a truce between them and hittites, another indo aryan empire.. Both hittites and mittanis were superlative kingdoms, means the ruling class were different from the general population, bothe of these groups were indo aryans and they migrates to turkey and syria ruling over hattites and hurrians respectively. In india when aryans came, they had to deal with a huge population of pre australoid peoole group unlike in syria or turkey and the cultures got mixed up after some time, the concept of meditation, yoga etc was aliean to aryans, they were incorporated into their own religion vedic gods of indra, varuna, mitra etc lost importance but retained.. Shiva, devi were incorporated.. As steppe, cow hearders became settled farmers they began to ponder over philosophy along saraswathi river banks in rajastan writing upanishads.. Ancient knowledge of tantra, yoga etc began to influence more people after buddhist period and temples,were built idols were woeshipped tantric was called "agama" the science which was told by shiva to sakthi.
There were never any cultural or racially distinct "Aryans" to settle the subcontinent. That's a load of pseudo-historical bollocks based on some motivated circular logic of western linguistic theory.
Why u peddle ur garbage dear?
@Matthayi Naalaaman No, I don't have to look up all that pseudo-scientific "peer-reviewed" skulduggery all over again to call bullshit on this bullshit theory. Done all that plenty well for a long time, and more. There is no linguistic, archaeological or genetic proof that corded-ware people were the source of the purported ~2000 bce YDNA tourism (yes, that is what "Aryan invasion" has been reduced to - from invasion to migration to a trickle of tourists, as per the latest consolidated record). The evidence indicates quite the opposite, actually. Just because there was some genetic overlap from the northwest during various epochs on account of various socioeconomic and climatic reasons, it does not warrant the creation of a fantastic new race of people. Leave alone labelling that imaginary race with a colonial exonym and making it a linguistic/cultural progenitor, when all multi-disciplinary evidence tells an entirely different story - which is backed by an ancient historiography to boot. The concept of race itself is a big spook anyway. Outside of isolated groups like say the Andamanese aboriginals, entire Eurasia has basically been a spectrum of phenotypes that could be last separated into distinct groups the earliest at ~70,000 ybp pre-Toba. You Dravidian lemurs should stop worshipping a few propaganda-mongering cabal of lynchpins in the western humanities academia and try broadening your horizons and your ideologically pigeon-holed minds.
Aryan and Dravidian race theory is 100% true. Only thing its NOT Aryan Invasion rather it is just Aryan migration.
Aryans are called as Devas
Dravidian's are called Asuras
Aryan Gods - Lord Indra, Lord Varuna, Lord Vayu, Lord Brahma & Lord Ram
Dravidian Gods - Shiva, Visnu, Krishna & Karthikeya
In Four Vedas there is NO Mention about Lord Shiva, Lord Vishnu [Thiru Maal] & Lord Subramanian [Murugan]. In Vedas they only worship Lord Indra, Lord Varuna & Lord Vayu. In Rig Veda they mention about Lord Rudra but he is NOT Lord Shiva. There is NO Place where they mentioned about Lord Shiva or Linga. These are all Tamil gods Lord Shiva, Lord Thiru maal [Vishnu] & Lord Murugan [Subramanian] are all ancient Tamils lived in Tamil Land.
Aryan by Birth - Ram, Lakshman
Dravidian by Birth - Ravan, Shiva, Visnu, Krishna & Karthikeya
Aryan Language - Sanskrit
Dravidian Language - Tamil
Aryan [Sankrit] Grammar - Panini’s Astadhyayi
Dravidan [Tamil] Grammar - Tholkaappiyam [Still available]
Panini did not mention the name of even a single earlier Sanskrit grammar which he has followed. The names he mentioned as earlier Sanskrit grammarians are originally Prakrit and Pali grammarians. Prakrit and Pali grammarians have followed Aindhra grammar which is followed by Tholkaappiyar. Tholkapiyar clearly states that there are numerous Tamil Grammar works prior to his Tholkappiyam and he followed Aindharam Grammar for his work. Akathiyar also wrote a grammar for Tamil. Tharanath ,the Tibet scholar has clearly stated that Aindhiram was a Tamil grammar. Sari Buddha had studied Aindhiram.
Aryan by Birth - Bramins
Dravidian by Birth - Sudras [Tamils - please note Tamils lived through out India]
Etymology of the word Bramin [பேர் அமணன் -> பிராமணன் -> பிராமின் ] Payrr Ammanan -> Brahmanan -> Bramin. Its a Pure Tamil word given as Title to people who gained enormous wisdom in their life. In later days this title name was stolen by Aryan Bramins and made it as a varna by Birth.
Sanghis will tell that Ravana was a Bramin, But actually Ravana is a Asura [Dravidian] by birth and Bramin is his title name. He is a master of 10 different science
Etymology for the name Krishna [ கருதினன் -> கிருத்தினன் -> கிருஷ்ணா ] Karuthinan → Kirutinan → Krishna . Karuthinan means man of philosophy its a Title given to Krishna
We all know that Krishna is Dark in Complexion and he is a Cow herder he is a Tamil.
Rig Veda has several references to blonde haired Indra destroying Dark skinned Asuras [Dravidian's]. If you read most of the Sanskrit puranas you can notice that its all about Fight between Aryans and Dravidians [Devas and Asuras]
Language naturally evolves over 1000s of years it can NOT be invented by one single guy Agathiyar, Tamil language is NOT invented by Agathiyar as told by PERVERTED Sanskrit Myth, one has to Talk with scientific facts should NOT vomit PERVERTED Sanskrit Myths. Just like Tholkappiyar Agathiyar also wrote grammar for Tamil in ancient times thats it.
Tamil is older then Sanskrit. Its actually Tamil root words which are there in Sanskrit, NOT the other way around. Recent [year 2020] excavation in Keezadi have written Tamil inscription which is older than 2500 years. But on the other hand Sanskrit didn't even had a script to write until 4 CE note it is CE not BCE, it adopted devanagari script in 4 CE and started writing puranas like Ramayana ... etc. Prior to this Sanskrit Vedas were transferred to next generation only orally, they said it is very sacred and only Brahmins have to recite it
Google - Mayiladumparai Excavation in Tamil Nadu - Tamils knew use of iron 4,000 years ago, archaeological findings show
Google - Porunai civilisation is 3,200 years old
Tamils do not have Vedic culture roots, their roots are different. Vedic culture is a third rated culture. Sanskrit is full of third rated SEXUALLY PERVERTED mythological stories for Lord Shiva, Indra, Ayyappa and for lots of Rishis. You can not find one such sexually perverted literature in Tamil. Sanskrit is full of Racial Abuse and Racial discrimination based on birth like Manusimriti. You wont find any such discrimination in Tamil literature
Thiruvalluvar in Thiru Kural says all Living Things are equal [Not just humans] (பிறப்பொக்கும் எல்லா உயிர்க்கும் சிறப்பொவ்வா செய்தொழில் வேற்றுமை யான் - திருக்குறள் 972). But in Sanskrit Manusmriti, manu discriminate people based on birth called Varna, Manusimriti is full of Racial Abuse and Racial discrimination based on birth.
Tamils have the culture of worshiping there fore fathers that is how they are worshiping Siva, Thiru Maal [Vishnu] & Murugan [Subramanian]. Aryan Brahmins stolen Tamil's gods and and inserted FULLY SEXUALLY PERVERTED STORIES in later days for our gods like Vishnu Purana, Shiva Purana, Skanda Purana ... etc Now some idiots are even saying Lord Shiva don't understand Tamil and so we have to worship him only in Sanskrit. Lord Siva himself is a Tamil
Tamil too have Sanskrit words its due to Sanskrit became sole authority for Hinduism and for Tamil Gods also. By stealing Tamils gods Sanskrit started influencing Tamil by way Varnasrama by saying Brahmins are great and they are born from Brahmas head. You have to respect Brahmin and you have to allow them to worship your gods in their language Sanskrit.
Google - Tamil and Australian aboriginal languages
மார் சுபிகள் Marsupial is a A word found in Australian Aboriginals language for Kangaroo kids. Marsupial in Tamil means Breast Suckers, Small Kangaroo kids will grow inside Mother Kangaroos waist bag by sucking milk from its mothers breast. English language derived this word from Australian Aborginals language, This word is more than 10,000 years old it's a pure Tamil word.
Archaeological experts all over the world says that Indus valley civilization is a Dravidian civilization, but here in India Sanghis says its a vedic civilization but they do NOT Have any proof for their claim.
Indus script - Wikipedia
The Russian scholar Yuri Knorozov suggested, based on computer analysis, a Dravidian language as the most likely candidate for the underlying language of the script.[40] Knorozov's suggestion was preceded by the work of Henry Heras, who also suggested several readings of signs based on a proto-Dravidian assumption. [41]
Oldest available work in Sanskrit [Note it is only oral No written records] is Rig veda, it has been etymologically proved that there are many loaned Tamil words in Rig veda that proves the pre existence of Tamil during the period of Rig veda
Substrata in the Vedic language - Wikipedia
There are an estimated thirty to forty Dravidian loanwords in Vedic. [26] Those for which Dravidian etymologies are proposed by Zvelebil include कुलाय kulāya "nest", कुल्फ kulpha "ankle", दण्ड daṇḍa "stick", कूल kūla "slope", बिल bila "hollow", खल khala "threshing floor". [24]
Written By - Sampath Kumar Natarajan
Wouldn't read the whole para but you are absolutely dumb if you think Shiva is not mentioned in Vedas
Tatriyea aranyak 10.22.1 go read it
Rig veda have 2 types. New and old the old one is composed in Punjab Hariyana. New one is at afganistan. It's out of migration
@@gagadonim3354Sorry just now I noticed, you are saying old version composed in India and the New version composed in Afghanistan.
I DON'T agree. Actually the reverse of what you said only is true. BTW Can you please through more light on the two versions of Rig Veda ?
@@Samyu_N th-cam.com/users/livek2kzfr_P6PQ?feature=share
All the answers you need
i know this from birth aryan are outsiders
Obviously Aryan culture very much different from HARAPPAN
@@bashisthadevthakur5010 how?
Yes Dr rai is right before aryan arrives harappans had great knowledge in all aspects of life
@Anonymous I can appreciate your emotions but sir...science did not support your hypothesis....
@Anonymous no sir it did not..the story is distorted by media
@Anonymous Sir....the topic is about aryan migration....whether the current research paper proved or not....
this paper answered both the question ....who are harappans..?? they are indigenous to indian subcontinent....and they are not vedic people who are migrated in from steppe pastoral area there is no harm in accepting the scientific proof....migration happens in the history human civilization...it is natural one....so dont feel inferior that aryans are not indigenous people....think what you can do now for the society
@Anonymous it is time waste to have discussion with non scientific person...all the best for your imagination...thanks bye
@Anonymousyes...you are right...im not as big scientists as you...i agreed...ha ha ha...bye